I Got A Legal Threat From A Sitting President… ｜ Candace Ep 130
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Candace reveals the craziest thing she has ever received from a process server, and why it s even crazier than you could have ever imagined. Plus, why a foreign leader is sending around legal letters to people sitting in other countries, no matter what they say.
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This is going to be the craziest Friday plausibly ever on this show.
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I teased yesterday that I had a major announcement.
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When I say I have a major announcement, I mean it.
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I'm not going to give you a big tease and then a big letdown.
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I think it's going to be all anybody is talking about.
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I don't know that this has ever happened in the history of the world involving a president and a journalist mom in America.
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And I would say that this letter plausibly changed the trajectory of this year, certainly for me.
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You know, I don't know why people keep sending me letters.
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And I am going to tell you that I received this letter from a process server.
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Now, when you hear that you are getting a letter from a process server, you think one of two things in my world.
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You are being sued or you are being subpoenaed.
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It actually happens way more often than you realize.
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Sometimes you're being drafted into someone's lawsuit.
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They think that you have some information or some text messages.
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Or otherwise, you yourself are being sued, like when I was being sued by Kimberly Klasick for defamation, which eventually I won that after years.
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So it's not something that particularly unnerves me anymore because typically sometimes you're getting drafted and there's no reason for you to be drafted.
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Your lawyer responds to it and it's completely over.
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And what was strange about this is that when my lawyer was able to determine what it was and who it was from, this was atypical because it was not a lawsuit and it was not a subpoena, but it was a strongly worded letter, essentially a legal threat.
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And people don't typically use process servers for legal threats.
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It was coming from a law firm representing president, current sitting president, Emmanuel Macron and his wife, Brigitte Macron.
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I don't think this has ever happened in the history of the world.
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Plausible, you don't hear about a foreign leader currently sitting in power, sending around legal letters to people that are sitting in other countries, no matter what that person is saying.
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But it's going to get so much more crazier than that, okay, because there were a lot of odd things about this letter.
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First and foremost, they strenuously requested that I not publicize it.
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They did not want me to publicize this letter all over it.
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Okay, you have no legal right to tell somebody that they can't share a letter that they received.
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And I'm going to tell you my suspicion about why it came across as they wanted to keep this rather hush-hush.
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But apart from asking me not to publicize it, they get into explaining to me how I am engaging in types of defamation.
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I'm going to show you this letter because the story behind it is even crazier, okay?
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So first and foremost, they are addressing statements.
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The bulk of this letter is addressing statements that I made last March.
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You're probably wondering in your head, why would they send this letter, which was addressed on December 3rd?
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But aside from telling me not to publicize it, they tell me right at the top that it's really none of my business whether or not Brigitte Macron is a man or a woman.
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Like, she doesn't have to answer that question.
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It said this disinformation campaign is almost entirely based on a negative.
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Mrs. Macron has not provided definitive proof that she is a woman.
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Not only is this an inherently unreliable basis for a claim, but also, and this is in bold, Mrs. Macron does not owe you proof that she is and always has been a woman.
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Because, frankly, it is none of your business is arrogant, self-centered, and truly offensive to believe that you are owed evidence of another's sex, gender identity, or sexual orientation.
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And additionally, it is defamatory to call someone a liar when they rightfully choose not to give in to your demands.
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There is no shame in being LGBTQ+, but your accusations go beyond that.
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Okay, so right at the top there, again, what I've said to you that always struck me as odd about this story is this has been going on for approximately 10 years, okay?
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Now, if I'm the president and I'm dealing with a 10-year issue of people saying that my wife has a penis and I could just very easily debunk this,
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I'm sure as hell not going to pay lawyers overseas to send legal threats and legal letters that say,
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oh, okay, well, we're not going to answer the question, but we are going to send you a 100-page letter.
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It was 100 pages. Most of it was transcript. It really was like a 33-page letter. Most of it was transcript, again.
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But the point being is that's a lot of effort for something that can be so easily debunked, so easily debunked.
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And I'm not the only journalist I've done this to, okay?
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They're sending out letters, civil harassment, saying that it's causing them stress, it's causing them anxiety.
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Wouldn't you just answer the question at a certain point, again, going with common sense?
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But it gets even more interesting. They also write in this letter that what they believe to be defamatory, among other things,
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is really just the implication to the French people that they're fraudulent and that they lie.
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So let me read that piece of this to you as well in this letter that I'm not supposed to publicize at all.
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Well, these allegations are defamatory for multiple reasons.
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At the outset, it must be clear that there is nothing defamatory or reputationally damaging about being transgendered.
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But what is defamatory and highly damaging is attacking the integrity and the credibility of a president.
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I'm sorry, I just have to chuckle at that in general because I'm just thinking about President Trump and all the attacks.
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Like, what's defamatory is attacking the idea that Biden lies or that President Trump lies.
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You're not allowed to question their integrity in France.
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Like, this is just such a European letter in the sense that, like, they have no idea what free speech actually means of a president and Mrs. Macron
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with this vicious rumor that they are lying and manipulating the French people, one you knew was false at the time of publication.
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Okay, obviously, I do not think this is false at all, at all.
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I'm going to tell you even more why I insist that there is a lot to the story.
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But just writing that seems very strange to me.
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They go on to speak about how the only proof that we have, which is completely untrue, is Chinese software.
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That is comparing the faces of her and her alleged brother that doesn't like to make any appearances, which could easily just debunk this, right?
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And they're like, this is like crap, saying that they look alike.
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All siblings do look alike or some siblings can look exactly alike.
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And then they provide even more proof that it's obvious that Brigitte is not a man.
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And the proof is that Brigitte says she's not a man.
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Here, this is the actual language of the letter.
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They write, beyond this, your conspiracy theory hinges on Mrs. Macron's family refusing to subject themselves to public scrutiny.
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Okay, you guys, so the reason that they're not answering this or responding to this is because they don't need to be publicly scrutinized.
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Like, why would a president and a first lady have to be publicly scrutinized?
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That just doesn't come with the territory when you live in a place like Europe and you don't have free speech.
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They can just hush you and sue you for speaking.
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And the next line really gets me because they say what should be enough evidence to disprove these falsehoods is that Mrs. Macron has denied them.
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And Mrs. Macron's daughter, Tifon, has denied them.
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Okay, so that's how it works now in the court of law, guys.
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If I say no, absent any proof, you need to just accept that that's the truth.
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Everybody always tells the truth all the time, especially in politics.
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Then it just gets even more bizarre because they're referring to T-shirts as a form of yellow journalism.
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So I sold this T-shirt mocking Brigitte Macron.
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And they view that as a form of yellow journalism.
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So I'm going to read you that portion right now.
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It says, since then, you have continued to knowingly and intentionally peddle yellow journalism,
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Indeed, you released another episode mentioning the conspiracy on June 26th.
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And then it says on July 7th, you brought these lies to the Jimmy Dore show.
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On July 8th, you again posted on X, this time with a photo of yourself in a T-shirt
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showcasing a fake Time magazine Man of the Year cover featuring Mrs. Macron,
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which has received 832,000 views and 3,000 retweets.
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And they actually put a picture of me wearing the shirt in this legal letter.
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And I wrote, I'm calling it now Time Man of the Year.
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Obviously, we now need to get this back up on sale.
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I don't know what is actionable in a parody shirt.
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But they wanted to mention in a very strongly gridded letter that this is a form of yellow
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journalism because there's obviously never been any T-shirts made about President Trump
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You're not allowed to sell make Kamala Indian hats.
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Literally, what on earth were they thinking including that?
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OK, but here's where it gets really interesting.
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that calling someone a rapist in France, they have different laws and they insist that
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it's not statutory rape because Emmanuel was or would have been 15.
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Macron did not statutorily rape President Macron.
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Let us be clear that the age of consent in France is 15.
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The two met and fell in love in 1993 when she was a drama teacher and he was 15 years old.
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When President Macron was 17, he vowed to marry Mrs.
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Macron following through with his promise they wed in 2007 when President Macron was 29 years old.
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Now, I want to first let you guys know that this is stunning because all throughout the time that
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President Macron was running, their story was that he was 17 years old.
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OK, now we have here writing that they're now adjusting that.
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And she was, however, I think they said she was 34.
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And one of the things that we told you was that this whole legend that they created in the legacy
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And they allowed this to go on and go on until people started looking, independent journalists
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and going, wait a second, Emmanuel Macron was not 15.
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And I also believe there's an interview where Emmanuel Macron states that he met her before
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But them implying that the age of consent in France is 15 is actually wholesale dishonesty
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because what they're leaving out is the age of consent at that time when they were together.
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It was 15 only if the person that they had the affair with, the sexual affair with, was
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OK, so in order for the age of consent, it cannot be a teacher.
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It cannot be any person when you are a minor that has control over you.
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And as they mentioned in that same paragraph, Emmanuel Macron was the student of Brigitte
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So that would not have been allowed under the law.
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And this is something that we are happy to debate in America.
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This would be statutory rape one way or the other.
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And in France, I'm pretty sure that still constitutes statutory rape.
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But we will allow you to respond to that in a more thorough manner, because now that we've
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established a connection, you have no excuse not to answer our pointed questions.
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We're going to go on and show you a little bit more of this letter, because this, to
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So after saying, we don't have to tell you any proof, we don't have to show you any proof.
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They then try to say that there have been some journalists that have introduced some evidence
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and you should have been paying attention in the form of I'm not kidding.
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They have submitted to us screenshots of an eight-year-old video that they allege proves
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So the theory is that Brigitte lived as Jean-Michel Trogneau, then took on the name of a sister
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named Brigitte and became Brigitte Trogneau later on in life.
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They are now saying that this journalist noticed that in the background of Emmanuel Macron's
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inauguration, the real Jean-Michel Trogneau was there.
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They sent us a YouTube link, I'm not kidding, of two different instances, and they claim
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that in the background, you see this little fat man?
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This is, I'm showing you, this is actually from a legal letter right here.
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Well, they then sent us a YouTube link from the inauguration, and in the background, they're
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like, see, in the background, there is, that's Jean-Michel Trogneau, we swear, we swear
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Hello, you are the alleged first lady, first man of France, and Emmanuel Macron, you're
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telling me this is the evidence that you are supplying to journalists that this person
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A link, a link to a YouTube video that I'm going to show you right now.
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Oh, was that out of left evidence for you to leave this entire theory alone?
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Like, they're not making a statement, but you should have caught in the background there.
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Here, we'll circle it for you, that that's actually, that's the real Jean-Michel Trogneau,
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that they just won't do a press conference with and allow people to know where this person
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That's, uh, you should just know that that right there debunks everything because this
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channel, Edition Speciale, captured that in the background.
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And they said, a journalist said that that's, that's definitely, some journalists said that
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So we're ignoring all the journalists who are saying that it's not, and we have a name
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They sent this via a huge law firm as proof that the real Jean-Michel Trogneau does exist.
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The lingering man in the background, link on a YouTube video that's eight years old.
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Um, they're also upset that we here in America felt the Olympics ceremony was satanic.
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You can't say that the Olympic ceremony was very clearly satanic.
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Wait till they find out, um, that you don't get to tell a Christian what is and is not satanic
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You press these lies harder after the Olympics opening ceremony in Paris on July,
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29th, you released another episode titled The Olympics Exposed Brigitte Macron.
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As you know, the 2024 Olympics opening ceremony was widely misinterpreted as a reenactment of
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a Last Supper, but it was intended to represent the Feast of Dionysus.
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Nonetheless, you claimed that the satanic Olympic ceremony was really a ceremony to honor Brigitte
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You posted on X that Brigitte is a transvestite and called it a demonic state.
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Now this gets into them now drafting in Archbishop Vigano because they're talking about me retweeting
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It is telling that you retweeted a statement by Archbishop Vigano, a man who had just been
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excommunicated from the Catholic church for his denial of the legitimacy of Pope Francis
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And it is me retweeting Archbishop Vigano explicitly calling Brigitte Macron transvestite.
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Now, to my knowledge, Archbishop Vigano has not received a letter threatening him.
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Baltimore transvestite has not received a letter at all threatening him.
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Of course, in every letter that people send, there has to be an honorable mention of the Tate
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And then they wrote this, which is very strange because they don't include the language here.
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Your disinformation campaign included the Tate brothers, a pair of grossly self-proclaimed
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misogynists that are charged with human trafficking.
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I'm going to show you how rich that irony is in a second.
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On August 14th, you hosted Tristan Tate on Candace and discussed these claims.
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And the following day on August 15th, you hosted his brother, Andrew Tate.
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In the August 15th episode, you and Andrew reiterated your claims that the Macrones are dishonest,
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implied the French election was rigged like the 2020 U.S. election.
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Now, I know I certainly didn't imply the French election was rigged because I don't follow
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And the way that you are acting and trying to play whack-a-mole with every person that
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looks into the story and recognizes that there's something here strikes me as odd.
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Also asking me not to publish the letter strikes me as odd.
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Um, and lastly, to the point of saying that us implying that you guys are dishonest, I
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Are you out of your mind thinking that people can't imply that a president and his wife are
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Are you just diluted out of your mind for me to say that I believe that you and your
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It's almost a requirement to be in politics that you have to lie.
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You literally have to almost lie to become a president of France or the president of any
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Well, you guys might be wondering about now about the timing of this letter, because again,
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the referencing posts from June, primarily an episode that I posted in March upon a different
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They have not drafted that platform into this complaint whatsoever.
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So it's targeting me at least six months after the last time that I've spoken about Emmanuel
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Like I said, the story I'm going to tell you, it's stranger than fiction, okay?
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It is my belief that the Macron's somehow became aware that we are just a couple of weeks away
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from releasing an explosive piece on Brigitte Macron.
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And I believe that this letter was sent to intimidate me.
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I don't believe that they intended to file anything.
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My instinct here is that it was very much meant to terrify me because of an interview that I did
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that they are worried that when I release is going to go global because it will.
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The backstory of that is that during Thanksgiving week, at the end of November, I was contacted
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by a French reporter claiming to have a trove of evidence to support the claim that the First
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Lady of France lived as a man named Jean-Michel Trogneau before becoming and transitioning to
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This evidence was even complete with names of doctors who worked on Brigitte.
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A theory with a lot of evidence as to who mothered the children, who gave birth to Brigitte's children.
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Because I took this individual to be extremely credible, I got on a plane and I flew to meet this
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We did an interview that went on for about two hours on camera and I collected all of his evidence.
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And apparently just 10 days after that initial correspondence between me and that journalist,
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Emanuel and Brigitte had this letter written to me.
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So that to me leads me to believe that somehow, and again, I have no evidence to support this
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claim, the communications of this journalist are being monitored.
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That they knew that he was flying to meet me, that they knew that we conducted the interview
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and that they knew that I was in communication with him telling him that the interview was
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They knew that it was coming out this month and that they scrambled to get this out, to
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beef up this letter as much as possible, running the risk that, okay, well, getting a letter
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She'll at least press pause and not release the conversation, hoping that I would just
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be scared into silence if they beefed up the letter with scary mentions, which they did,
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The bottom of the letter, they told me, think about Tucker Carlson and Dominion.
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They mentioned Tucker Carlson and Dominion as a lawsuit.
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Billions of dollars you could lose, Candace, if you cover this story.
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First and foremost, what are you talking about?
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You're comparing apples and lean cuisines, frozen meals at this point.
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And I am certainly allowed to look into you and your life and to ask questions, okay?
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You don't get to compare that to a private company who is saying that they have real world
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loss because people no longer trust their technology.
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Again, that was mentioned only to try to terrify me, I believe, because they know that are working
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on this piece and they know that we have the pictures that we have, which tell a very different
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story from what the media has been trying to tell people.
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I believe that this proves what their strategy is.
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Brigitte and Emmanuel Macron, as they expressed in this letter, say nothing.
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They give nothing about whether or not Brigitte is transgender.
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They don't address the claims while they go on.
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And then they wait for journalists to make a mistake.
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This is what they did to two other journalists that were in France.
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They sued them and they lied to the public about what was at the nucleus of the lawsuit,
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And then if you misspeak about something, as one of the journalists did and said, I think
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this birth certificate's fake, they sue you for that, for defamation.
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And they go, actually, that birth certificate wasn't fake.
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But they're not actually attacking the substance of the debate, whether or not Brigitte, in
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the current form, transitions from a man named Jean-Michel Trogneau.
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They will not address these claims officially, despite sending these spurious articles and
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screenshots from a video from seven or eight years ago.
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They themselves say, we don't have to answer or produce any evidence whatsoever.
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So in terms of my issue or their issue with me, rather, they pounced on a mistake that
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By the way, they're not wrong, because after sitting down with this journalist and receiving
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the trail of evidence, they are correct that I wrongly identified at that time.
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And again, I was relying on a ton of reports and I was clear that this was not my report,
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People were trying to answer the question of, OK, well, if Brigitte Macron did not give birth
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to those children who did, and I wrongly named someone which was being alleged at that time
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Again, I was just reiterating what the journalists were saying at that time.
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And I learned from this journalist who is entirely credible and hasn't been working on this story
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And so that's what you're looking for, Brigitte, right?
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An apology for that, which you say is defamatory.
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Or alleging that Brigitte Ozier fathered these or gave birth to these children, Brigitte Proba-Ozier.
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I'm not only just going to correct it here, I'm going to correct it in the long piece
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that I am working on about your background that I still intend to release in two weeks.
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Any mistakes that I made, these little things that you're trying to catch on to because
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you don't want to address the substance of what people are presenting, which is whether
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or not you transitioned from Jean-Michel Trogno to Brigitte, any of the mistakes I made, I
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I now can do it in a way that's better than ever because thankfully you have now reached
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out to me via your legal firm, which means that we now have a direct line of communication
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And you can now answer those questions or you can decline to answer those questions.
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And if you decline to answer those questions as you have done, well, then you can't prove
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here that there's any actual malice because there isn't.
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I genuinely want to understand what the hell I am looking at throughout this trove of evidence.
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The people that have been involved in this, it is, like I said, the most explosive story
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And what is interesting is that the reason you're going after me is because the only reason
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this story was contained for so long was because all of it was happening in France.
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Most of the people in the Western world can speak and understand English, which allows
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them to then look at the story in a different way.
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But when it was just in French reporters that were reporting on it, you were able to stifle
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I want to let you know that I'm not intimidated whatsoever.
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In fact, you have piqued my interest even further.
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And I want you to know that I'm looking into all of your friends, all of these instances
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of pedophilia, people that were involved in the English people don't even know about
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the Olivier Duhamel scandal, the scandal of another 14 year old, a person that supported
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you, a person that you were in a lot of communication with who had a daughter, a stepdaughter
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come out and say that she was abused and that she was invited to elite, that her brother
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Rather, let me correct that, that her twin brother was abused by Olivier Duhamel, which is,
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And that appears to be a massive story in France, one that Le Monde, which is like the
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French New York Times, has been covering as something that you were quite worried about,
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that the Elysee Palace, quote, this is from Le Monde, ever since the Olivier Duhamel affair
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broke in early January, Emmanuel Macron has been monitoring each development like milk on
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the stove, reported Le Monde at the time, incest with his stepson, Duhamel's stepson.
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A lot of characters in your circle, Elizabeth Guigou, Hubert Vadrine, Daniel Cohn-Bendit,
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the statements that are made about them, Jean-Marc Borrello.
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There have been a lot of sexual incidences that have surrounded your presidency that the
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English speaking people, the English speaking world does not know about.
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And all of these have been submitted to me and I am deeply understanding this scandal and
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I am deeply appreciating why it is that a president of a foreign country would take this time to
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try to get me to shut up because you've done a very good job of containing all this.
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When I get pregnant and people threaten me, I don't take very kindly to those sorts of threats.
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So this is, this is going to get extremely interesting.
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And I will give you guys, uh, my listeners, my idea of what I think is going to happen, uh,
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So maybe Brigitte and Emmanuel Macron will file this lawsuit in the state of Tennessee.
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And maybe in their mind, first off, they definitely didn't expect me to show this letter.
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Most people would consult their lawyers and stay quiet about stuff.
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I didn't get to where I am in life, come from absolutely nothing, to have some elite people
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threaten me into silence because I am exposing what I deem to be the truth.
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Least of all, when it's from a foreign nation that doesn't appreciate free speech or thinks
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that they can boss me around and tell me what is and is not satanic and how I must report
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upon their Olympics, doesn't really work like that.
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I think what's going to happen is that they are banking, they were banking on me being
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They are probably banking on their money and they are probably banking on their power
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to somehow further stifle this situation, try to bank on, I don't know, trying to silence
00:32:30.520
Good luck trying to make the piece that we are working on, which is still due to be released
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I now think that you had something to do with the very bizarre videos that were taken
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down, three videos in which you have named in this legal letter, which made no sense at
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the time when they're being taken out, taken down because you were worried about the information
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Well, you should know that when we drop this series that we're working on about the Brigitte
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McCrone scandal, it is not going to be on YouTube.
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It will be released on my website, CandiceOwens.com, and people will be able to watch it.
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Whether they want to watch it in French or they want to watch it in English, you're
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Because you see, Mr. Macron, both of you, both misters, in my world, I bank on the people.
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When I get an itch about something or an instinct about something and people start thinking that
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the American people and the French people around the world are not going to win, I always bank
00:33:36.140
You have no idea the army that we can unleash here of people that will investigate, that
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Ask Kamala what it was like when she went through the Kamala Chronicles.
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We will definitively, definitely, once the mothers here in America understand what is
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happening in France, inspire them, just mothers wanting to protect children to look further
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into these claims and wonder what the hell is going on in France.
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And like I said, it will be an investigative army of regular people.
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You feel really protected by the state and you can send these sorts of things.
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Like I said, the piece is still due to come out in two weeks.
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And I bet, given the letter that you just sent me, the timing of that letter being particularly
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suspicious after all this time, that what we release will have more eyes than anything
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that we've ever released in the history of this show.