Candace Owens - Liars Who Lie： TPUSA Tried To Scrub THIS SCANDAL From The Web. Katie Zacharia Comes Clean (Kinda).

00:00:00.000 All right, you guys, happy Thursday. Great news this morning regarding Katie Zacharia, the new press secretary. She's come clean, finally, sort of. I mean, at least she's acknowledging that, no, she is not an attorney. We got there.

00:00:15.500 but now she's presenting a rather confusing reason as to why or how she thought that she 0.89

00:00:20.880 was allowed to go around saying that she was the lawyer and general counsel. Also, the reason that

00:00:26.560 she didn't just take the bar after she failed. It's exceptional. I want you guys to hear. I want

00:00:31.600 you to hear her in her own words. Moving on from that, you know how I've been saying that I do not

00:00:36.340 like Club America. I don't like that initiative at Turning Point USA, this bizarre push to get

00:00:41.300 into middle schools and high schools. It's making me uncomfortable, given the fact that it's being

00:00:46.480 foisted upon the young students. Well, a recent arrest, which Turning Point USA tried to scrub

00:00:52.800 any affiliation from, might help you understand why I feel that way. And by the way, did you know

00:00:57.960 that Turning Point Action is sending, hey, we're broke type emails? It's making me suspicious now

00:01:04.260 about the alleged vandalization of the Charlie Kirk statue that happened back in September,

00:01:09.140 followed by that bizarre push for us to give money to chase the ballot.

00:01:15.500 More on that. Welcome back to Candace. 0.88

00:01:31.620 All right. So in case you missed it yesterday, I did pin a comment beneath our episode after one of you guys back home,

00:01:38.680 One of you sleuths instantly emailed us and noticed something regarding Governor Cox's public schedule during the week of September 10th.

00:01:47.120 You'll remember yesterday we were noting how odd it was that the governor had no apparent schedule for September 9th or the 10th, despite September being an extremely busy season for politicians.

00:01:59.200 But one of you guys emailed the tip line and noticed that actually the governor's office just made a mistake.

00:02:04.500 I mean, we're assuming it was a mistake and that it was unintentional.

00:02:07.280 Let's just pull this up to show it to you guys. So you can see they had September 8th published, and then September 8th jumps to Tuesday, September 2nd. And then beyond that, it goes to Wednesday, September 3rd.

00:02:24.040 And actually, we were able to confirm, thanks to that home sleuth, that someone just entered

00:02:30.300 those two dates incorrectly.

00:02:32.040 It's meant to be, instead of September 2nd and September 3rd, it's meant to be September

00:02:36.320 9th and September 10th.

00:02:39.260 So that is his schedule for the 9th and the 10th, which, by the way, makes matters infinitely

00:02:45.100 more interesting because it means that on the evening of September 9th, not on September

00:02:50.400 second, as we had initially reported, Officer House of Rep Tyler Clancy had that private

00:02:56.960 one-on-one meeting with the governor. So that happened on the 9th. And then the very next day,

00:03:02.200 as we have already shared with you, Tyler Clancy allegedly was the person who was selected to

00:03:07.660 transport Turning Point employees to the airport to pick up Erica. And I'm told that this is

00:03:14.060 actually Tyler Clancy speaking over the police radio regarding that pickup. So take a listen.

00:03:20.400 Confirming this channel is secure.

00:03:22.320 No, the Provo main channel is not secure.

00:03:26.520 My apologies.

00:03:27.520 I was just saying is service channel able to be scanned or can I give information over

00:03:32.480 this channel?

00:03:33.480 You're good.

00:03:34.480 We have unpatched the service channel, so this is just Provo service.

00:03:38.760 Go ahead and talk.

00:03:40.760 This will be info for IC.

00:03:43.680 Myself and Sergeant DuPay are en route to Provo Airport.

00:03:50.860 Victim's wife is arriving at 3.30.

00:03:55.540 Okay.

00:03:56.820 So that seems to check out.

00:03:59.100 We listened to his voice in other interviews.

00:04:00.560 It certainly sounds a lot like him.

00:04:02.860 And additionally, beyond that, we reported that it was Officer Tyler Clancy

00:04:07.040 who at some point that same day or evening,

00:04:10.580 depending on who's telling the story,

00:04:12.000 disposed of a bloodied item that belonged to Turning Point USA

00:04:16.340 or one of their affiliates.

00:04:18.060 And we induced that it was likely Frank Churek's bloodied bag

00:04:21.820 since Frankenbank gave an interview

00:04:23.820 revealing that he instructed a police officer to throw out his bag

00:04:28.240 because, according to him,

00:04:30.420 Charlie's body had been on top of it in the car

00:04:33.240 during the chaotic ride over to the hospital.

00:04:37.460 And that, I mean, just brings a lot of questions to my mind. I will say this. It doesn't even make sense to me that Frank asked the officer to throw it out. Like, why don't you throw it out yourself? You can't find a trash can to throw it out yourself.

00:04:50.120 And it seems that Tyler, as I am told, told a slightly varied story to others, mainly

00:04:58.400 that he was not instructed to do so, but that he did so out of his own volition on a whim

00:05:03.600 because the item had been left behind in his car, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.

00:05:09.920 We'll see.

00:05:11.260 The takeaway that I want you to have from all of this is that Tyler Clancy played a significant

00:05:17.320 role on September 10th. And frankly, I'm just struggling over here to believe that it's somehow

00:05:23.140 protocol for a police officer to toss out a bag that's covered in blood from a recently murdered

00:05:29.720 victim. Doesn't pass a sniff test for me, especially before any information is known

00:05:36.140 regarding who the suspect or suspects were, how he died. All of that was just, you know,

00:05:44.860 rumor and innuendo at that point. Yeah, my gut tells me that it is not standard police protocol

00:05:50.660 to listen to Frank Turek. We'll see. And I'll tell you guys that the reason that I have been sort of

00:05:56.920 now zeroing in on Governor Cox is because people in Utah say that Governor Cox's boys

00:06:03.240 were all over the Charlie Kirk case. Didn't understand this. There's like factions in Utah

00:06:08.640 and they're like Governor Cox has like, you know, the Cox boys and now he's got power and he can,

00:06:14.700 as we saw, gave people promotions. And we had already established, by the way, long ago that

00:06:20.460 Governor Cox lies. He's a politician. He speaks. He lies. That's not that shocking. But beyond that,

00:06:27.960 if you remember early on in the investigation, it was it was Governor Cox that was the one telling

00:06:31.920 us instantly that this was a politically motivated assassination, despite no evidence confirming that

00:06:38.380 at that time. He also was the one who put out the narrative. He was standing in front of Kash

00:06:43.420 Patel, and he said the shooter changed clothes on the roof. And I want to be clear, he didn't say

00:06:48.980 that amongst chaos and confusion. He reported that with Kash Patel behind him on September 12th,

00:06:55.600 so long after the SBI had secured and reviewed the footage. Take a listen.

00:07:01.780 One more thing, Governor. Could you just clarify the clothing issue you mentioned earlier?

00:07:06.500 Was he changing outfits?

00:07:07.860 Correct. Yes. Yes. So. So when he's first spotted on campus, he has different clothing on and then he changes clothing on the roof and then changed back into that clothing at some point so that when when he was when he was apprehended, when he when he was arrested, the clothing matched the clothing he had on before the shooting here at UVU.

00:07:31.160 i don't know guys that doesn't seem like he just made a mistake there someone could have jumped in

00:07:40.020 and said you're wrong it just feels like they were confusing the public and then they had to

00:07:45.340 go back and fill in all these holes and the story got even crazier anyway i'm interested in exploring

00:07:50.160 the governor's movements on the 9th and the 10th because it would be curious interesting fact so

00:07:55.660 to speak, if he did indeed golf with Val Peterson on the morning of the 10th after having spent an

00:08:02.040 evening with Tyler Clancy on the 9th, a bizarre coincidence. And he, as you probably can see

00:08:11.180 looking at his schedule, he doesn't have golf with Val Peterson on it, not on his official schedule

00:08:16.180 anyway. What is noted is that he had on the 10th, on the morning of the 10th, an event. He was the

00:08:23.280 keynote speaker at the Rally Connects trade show, which was up in Mona at 9 o'clock a.m.

00:08:30.060 We were able to find a photo of that on LinkedIn, posted from the AV company that mic'd him,

00:08:35.220 which corroborates that attendance. And then his next scheduled event was in Murray Park at 1130

00:08:40.940 a.m. So that's back towards Salt Lake City, which is where the governor's mansion is. He was slated

00:08:46.780 to speak to the staff. It was a staff picnic at the Utah Department of Environmental Quality.

00:08:53.620 So we confirmed that. He's there. Okay, great. So I would offer that if he and Val Peterson did

00:08:58.420 meet up for golf, it was likely before this, by the way. That would make sense just in terms of

00:09:03.540 how people golf. You want an early morning tea time, especially when you've got summer heat.

00:09:10.080 And I want to state that my sources on this, that Val Peterson was with the governor on the

00:09:16.780 on September 10th, are solid. They're not aware of one another and the sources are solid. And I

00:09:23.220 want you guys to know that we have reached out to the governor's office asking for a confirmation

00:09:27.440 or denial. We will keep you guys posted. Now, regarding Val Peterson, the man, the myth,

00:09:34.980 the legend, the alleged most powerful man in the state, now that we have discovered, as we did,

00:09:40.900 that his brother Charles, Chuck, Chuck, you boy over there, has some legal issues, and that's me

00:09:47.840 putting it mildly, we can continue to formally acknowledge that it just appears to be this

00:09:55.100 creepy recurring theme with too many people that are involved in this story. How can it just keep

00:10:02.660 being a theme? And I've made it clear that there is something that makes my skin crawl about Erica

00:10:08.240 Kirk and her pursuit of Club America. You know, it's just specifically the idea of the events

00:10:14.400 that are being, like I said, just forced upon the middle schoolers and high schoolers,

00:10:19.100 underaged kids. You got to go to assembly. And especially because I know for a fact that there

00:10:26.560 are sexual deviants plus pastors with extremely checkered backgrounds that are working at this

00:10:32.000 organization and who Erica has no issue working with. That's not normal. That's not a normal 0.94

00:10:36.840 maternal instinct when you have young kids, as she does, as I do, when people are creepy and

00:10:44.640 weird, you get rid of them. And she has the power to do that. And she's not doing that. She's

00:10:48.840 actually going into deeper partnership with them. And so with my platform, I've implored parents,

00:10:56.000 watch this show to be very wary of this organization with Erica Kirk at the helm of it.

00:11:00.900 I can tell you now that I already feel vindicated with that warning because something has already

00:11:06.240 happened involving the president of a Club America chapter in Idaho, or rather, I should

00:11:13.000 say, he's the now former president of Club America in Bonners Ferry, Idaho. His name

00:11:19.800 is Taylor Dodd. When he was 17 years old, he actually gave a speech at Charlie Kirk's

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00:12:13.300 Just kidding. You will definitely guess for what? I'm going to take it to the chat.

00:12:19.680 What do you guys think Taylor Dodd was arrested for? How can this? Yeah, yep.

00:12:29.240 Already got it.

00:12:31.000 He was arrested for child pornography.

00:12:33.920 Here is the headline, which was published in the Bonner's Ferry Herald.

00:12:39.040 Of course, he's now 18 years old.

00:12:40.460 Young adult arrested.

00:12:42.020 Child sexual exploitative material.

00:12:45.140 It tells us Taylor Dobb was arrested in early September on seven felony charges of child sexually exploitative material.

00:12:52.420 Officials became aware of the alleged crimes through ICAC, Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, which received a tip from Discord, a lot happening with Discord and Turning Point USA and instant messaging and VOIP social platform, when illicit images of minors were downloaded from the app.

00:13:12.400 The images were downloaded in early April, according to court documents.

00:13:17.380 This is referring to he downloaded this April 2026.

00:13:20.140 Documents contend that other apps were also used, such as Telegram, an instant messaging app and Threads, a text-based social media app by Meta, to purchase and download images.

00:13:32.580 In his report, Officer Brandon Blackmore said that 116 images had allegedly been downloaded and saved to Dodd's phone.

00:13:39.940 he further acknowledged that Dodd said that he had a severe pornography addiction

00:13:44.040 that had escalated to include children. Documents indicate that the ages allegedly ranged

00:13:52.520 from 3 to 15. I'm going to say that again. From 3 years old to 15.

00:14:03.960 and if you're wondering if this is alleged

00:14:09.060 well the article tells us

00:14:11.220 that according to court documents he confessed

00:14:12.820 that he purchased and watched the videos

00:14:14.740 of child pornography

00:14:16.440 downloaded them and saved them to his cell phone

00:14:18.820 but he wrote an apology to his parents asking them

00:14:21.060 to forgive him for what he had done

00:14:23.080 and expressing regret for his actions

00:14:24.740 and took full responsibility for his actions

00:14:26.560 according to his case

00:14:29.200 file

00:14:29.920 three year olds

00:14:33.960 what goes on in Idaho, ladies and gentlemen, what goes on in Idaho, what goes on in Utah,

00:14:43.560 what goes on with Turning Point USA, what goes on with Turning Point Faith and Club America,

00:14:48.480 what goes on with Erica Kirk. Also, you should know that they tried to scrub their affiliation

00:14:54.680 from the internet. So there were a lot of broken links as we were trying to hunt down this

00:14:58.520 information. Thank you, by the way, to the slew that emailed us the lead. This had just happened.

00:15:03.960 because Turning Point dealt with it.

00:15:06.160 Like, they deal with everything.

00:15:07.440 Virtual absconding, right?

00:15:09.900 Gaslighting, probably.

00:15:12.120 Because if you type in, as we did,

00:15:14.780 Bonner's ferry TPUSA president

00:15:17.080 trying to confirm that that was him,

00:15:19.860 the first hit that you get is a local news article

00:15:22.180 where they had initially placed an ad of sorts.

00:15:25.220 And they got a friend to go back

00:15:28.600 and just scrub the words Club America from the article.

00:15:31.440 Look at this. This is incredible.

00:15:32.480 assuming it's a friend who did this so it's like she's kind of placing this this ad

00:15:38.360 and letters to the editor hello there my name is Cora Nichols and I'm the vice president of

00:15:43.120 Bonner's Ferry's local that did say Club America homeschool hub I wanted to share some of the

00:15:50.100 recent activities that our hub has been involved in they just took it out they just took out their

00:15:56.720 name so that they could pretend that they were not affiliated with it and the people would not

00:16:00.680 see this hit. Classic TPUSA. TPUSA today, I should say, because this was not a chronic issue

00:16:10.160 when Turning Point USA began. Not until all the money came in from God knows where. Not until

00:16:19.000 Turning Point got heaven-focused, focused on heaven, that this started to manifest as a problem.

00:16:27.080 And I'm just wondering how much longer they're going to gaslight us, threaten us, file lawsuits and think that we're going to shut up and I guess like bend the knee to this.

00:16:38.720 Like, no, why is everybody just noticing this? This is totally normal.

00:16:43.080 Every organization goes through these growing pains of child pornography all the time.

00:16:48.260 What?

00:16:48.520 And lastly, I want to add this. Before we go on to break, we should discuss Turning Point Action because Turning Point Action is run by sexual deviant, Tyler Boyer. I keep telling you this. And Charlie wanted to fire Tyler Boyer before he passed. That's if Mikey McCoy is to be believed. Mikey McCoy told donors this. 0.54

00:17:09.520 And I was told twice, it was one of our biggest and earliest leads, that the reason that Charlie

00:17:15.000 had established Doge, as I've said too many times, seven days before he died, was because money was

00:17:20.060 missing out of Turning Point action. The amount that I was told, and this is from Turning Point

00:17:25.140 insiders, as well as somebody who knew Charlie personally outside of Turning Point USA,

00:17:29.240 was that $10 million was missing. And Charlie wanted to know where it went. The money disappeared.

00:17:34.400 well i can tell you and i will state this just to be fair when i approached justin strife about this

00:17:41.160 this lead he came back to me and said no this is not this is not true whatever whatever whatever

00:17:47.560 he denied it but again the source you know the it was coming the call was coming from within the

00:17:53.880 house so you either believe a turning point employee or you don't believe a turning point

00:17:58.880 employee that this was going on well guess what update to today and appears that turning point

00:18:03.620 action is suddenly out of money. And I told you this was an interesting lead because turning

00:18:07.900 point action brings you back to Erica's mother. Super feed. Lori Fransfay and Tyler Boyer work

00:18:15.200 together. They have known each other since before Charlie was ever in the picture. I had wondered

00:18:19.300 out loud if whether or not when Charlie began on this pursuit to find the money, if he realized

00:18:25.240 that something was going on, that the money was funny, that Lori Fransfay and Tyler Boyer may

00:18:33.540 did something funny with the money. I don't know. But I can tell you that today, it appears that

00:18:38.220 that situation, which Justin Strive said definitely was not happening, could potentially be happening

00:18:43.660 at Turning Point Action. At the very least, we can establish that they're out of money.

00:18:47.480 They say they spent it all on ballot chasing initiatives. I'm going to show you that.

00:18:52.420 But I do want to say before I show you the email that they sent out, I sensed this was coming

00:18:56.500 just on the basis of StatueGate. You guys remember StatueGate? Back in September,

00:19:03.540 And you might recall it was actually Tyler Boyer himself. He presented the newly erected Charlie Kirk statue in front of headquarters. And within 72 hours, the statue was like one year. We're erecting the statue in memoriam of Charlie.

00:19:19.860 And they said over the weekend at 1 a.m. in the morning, the statue was vandalized by the left.

00:19:23.940 How did they know?

00:19:24.660 Well, we don't know how they knew it was the left.

00:19:26.180 But, of course, it had red spray paint and really sadistic writing.

00:19:35.100 They said it's the left.

00:19:37.240 Bizarrely, they didn't want to share any of the surveillance footage with the public.

00:19:40.760 I said, it's weird.

00:19:41.540 Everybody knows Turning Point USA headquarters is under heavy surveillance,

00:19:45.140 especially because of the assassination.

00:19:48.860 The employee's feeling unsafe.

00:19:50.140 They have heavy surveillance. 0.99

00:19:51.540 Who would be so dumb, even if they're on the left, 0.99

00:19:55.260 why are we saying it's left? 0.99

00:19:56.180 I still have no clue, to go ahead and to do this

00:19:59.840 and expect not to be caught.

00:20:02.600 And when we asked for surveillance footage,

00:20:05.480 when we asked for details,

00:20:06.840 hey, can you tell us what car?

00:20:07.920 The public can help.

00:20:09.540 There's a lot of sleuths out there.

00:20:12.000 Clearly somebody had to drive onto your canvas to do this.

00:20:15.240 We got nothing.

00:20:15.920 except the one thing that they did want to share immediately,

00:20:21.320 links and requests for us to donate specifically

00:20:24.020 to their ballot chasing initiative

00:20:27.240 via turning point action.

00:20:30.120 It was exactly like the Trump ballroom demands

00:20:33.540 after the White House Correspondents' Dinner shooting,

00:20:36.740 very coordinated messaging,

00:20:37.860 oh, shots fired, Trump needs his ballroom.

00:20:40.740 We're like, that's weird.

00:20:41.780 Why are you saying he needs a ballroom?

00:20:43.060 I'm like, how about, is everybody okay?

00:20:45.140 What happened?

00:20:45.920 Why are you instantly trying to propagandize and tell us that he needs a ballroom as a solution?

00:20:51.520 Well, after Statugate, Turning Point USA's response was to direct people not to the tax-deductible charitable arm, the 501c3, but rather to Tyler Boyer's Turning Point Action 501c4 arm.

00:21:05.440 Take a listen to Jog Your Memory here.

00:21:07.320 I will tell you what the enemy intended for evil, God is using for good.

00:21:12.900 Uh, I want to praise so many of you out there after this news broke, uh, the commit 100

00:21:18.620 program that we've been pushing on this program is surging.

00:21:21.880 So do not let evil win.

00:21:25.040 Use this as motivation to get involved, to be a part of the solution.

00:21:29.100 We cannot let evil ghouls win the day.

00:21:32.260 We cannot be intimidated.

00:21:33.280 We cannot be cowed, never surrender.

00:21:35.980 So go do your part, be a part of the solution, be a part of something bigger than yourself.

00:21:40.060 as charlie would always say go to tpaction.com slash 100 tpaction.com slash 100 if we have the

00:21:46.180 graphic i know we had that uh qr code from last week please throw it up but get involved the the

00:21:51.840 people have surged to our commit 100 program and so god bless you guys and we even have some friends

00:21:57.920 of charlie and erica that have put up ten thousand dollar reward if anybody has a tip that they can

00:22:03.780 and law enforcement

00:22:04.540 that leads to the arrest

00:22:06.340 of the vandals who did it?

00:22:08.960 Update, the vandals who did this,

00:22:12.320 the tips apparently did not work.

00:22:14.780 They have not caught the person.

00:22:16.720 And yes, Tyler Boyer

00:22:18.380 reinforced this on X as well.

00:22:21.580 Here was his tweet at the time.

00:22:23.080 He said, after what the left

00:22:24.440 did to our headquarters today,

00:22:26.300 we have a surge of volunteers

00:22:27.400 signing up to come to Arizona

00:22:29.160 or commit 100.

00:22:30.700 This is our program

00:22:31.620 to chase 100 ballots this October.

00:22:33.420 where we will give you a room and training to help us win.

00:22:35.780 You can register here.

00:22:36.740 Just pushing these links to the ballot chasing initiative.

00:22:40.320 Well, guys, that was last month.

00:22:42.080 People had questions.

00:22:42.900 There's been no update.

00:22:44.560 Of course, why would they give us more information on that?

00:22:48.380 Seems like they don't even want to catch the vandals.

00:22:51.020 But the update on Turning Point Action,

00:22:54.660 which also has a Turning Point PAC,

00:22:57.560 it's associated with it, affiliated with it,

00:22:59.120 is that they have no more money.

00:23:00.760 Here's the email that they sent out.

00:23:03.420 Hey, Patriot, here's the rundown. September was our busiest and best month yet. More doors

00:23:09.260 knocked, more relationships built, more ballots chased, more momentum than we've ever had in a

00:23:14.120 single month. And because of that success, we've burned through our financial resources faster

00:23:20.660 than planned. Oh, please keep the ballot chasers working. Sign up, give us your money. Ah, okay. 0.83

00:23:27.040 Got to say, the entire statue situation, it's giving Jussie Smollett to me now.

00:23:34.300 It is.

00:23:34.940 I feel like maybe didn't go down the way that we were being told.

00:23:39.660 But I'm just going to offer that.

00:23:41.600 I feel like they could have caught this person by now.

00:23:43.640 I feel like they could have released information to the public.

00:23:46.020 I feel like their impulse to tell us to sign up to chase ballots feels wrong to me.

00:23:51.100 And given everything that we know about how Charlie felt about Turning Point Action, allegedly, which I will again say Justin Strive disputes, but people who worked at Turning Point USA dispute what Justin Strive says, it feels like they need money.

00:24:07.120 And like maybe some more money disappeared again from Turning Point Action.

00:24:12.700 Maybe.

00:24:13.460 I don't know for a fact, but I'm telling you my instincts about the statue is that we're not being told the entire story.

00:24:21.100 and that it was meant to be a fundraiser push.

00:24:24.120 And we shouldn't let that story go.

00:24:25.300 Bobby Sauce has been hammering that.

00:24:28.480 He brings it up all the time 0.99

00:24:29.400 and he is correct to keep that story

00:24:31.420 in the public's memory.

00:24:33.020 Anyway, we will be right back after a break.

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00:27:32.800 Okay, so Kate Zacharia, the new press secretary, I have this, I think I'm almost a fan.

00:27:40.020 The audacity of the gaslight, I think I'm a fan of hers now.

00:27:43.580 I don't know.

00:27:44.180 It's just it's so crazy that they tried it and then they sent out the influencers to try to influence us into thinking that she's super qualified.

00:27:52.580 The craziest part of the story is you don't have to pretend to be a lawyer to be the press secretary.

00:27:58.140 So that requirement to be the press secretary.

00:28:00.400 We had Anthony Scaramucci as the as the press secretary.

00:28:03.560 I don't know why you would need to say that you're an attorney outside of your own ego and then try to gaslight us with an answer of like China.

00:28:14.180 In China, I did the thing when somebody asks you explicitly, how long is this going to go on for?

00:28:20.160 And then we get, like always, when we notice the lie, we get yelled at by neocons on the internet.

00:28:25.340 But Kate Zacharias, she's now come clean. She has come clean. She says it was a mix-up.

00:28:31.300 Not a traditional mix-up, I would say. Like, I don't know if I've ever mixed up thinking that I

00:28:35.740 was like a licensed professional. Like, oh, I thought I was a doctor. I got a little confused.

00:28:41.040 I thought I was a lawyer. I got a little bit confused. Really, is it a mix-up? I don't know. I'll let her tell you guys the story. But anyways, the Wall Street Journal broke the news that she did not pass the bar exam. She now can admit that that did not happen.

00:28:56.020 but the confusion really stems because she had consulted with Pepperdine's president as to how

00:29:03.320 to identify herself. And she was told that as long as she didn't use the words attorney or

00:29:09.860 Esquire, she was okay to say that she was a lawyer. I don't know why Pepperdine's president

00:29:16.720 would tell her that that was okay. Beyond that, I also want to be clear that on her LinkedIn,

00:29:22.120 in, she has herself listed as a general counsel. Like that's not like you didn't. This doesn't feel

00:29:29.080 like a mistake, but I'm open to hearing Katie as to how she arrived at the conclusion that she was

00:29:36.320 a lawyer and why it was OK. And you should hear her, too. First, let's just watch the super cut

00:29:40.880 of her saying she's a lawyer. To be able to take information, especially as a as a lawyer and a 0.98

00:29:47.880 former corporate lawyer in China for three years. And I mean, I am a lawyer and I'm a rigorous

00:29:53.560 researcher and I spent the better part of 2020 and 2021 researching this because I lost friends

00:30:01.060 and family. I would love to see justice as a lawyer. The procedural steps are absolutely

00:30:06.460 critical to ensure that they get this right and that each has the ability to both the state can

00:30:12.660 prosecute and lay out their case and also the defense can respond accurately and i love to be

00:30:18.380 able to break that down i'm a lawyer and this these types of issues are so tangible for people

00:30:25.280 because he wrote a book called the real anthony fauci which i read cover to cover

00:30:29.540 to substantiate all of the theories that were actually not theories the known facts about him

00:30:35.600 and was able to make a case because that's what we do as lawyers for the reason why i would not

00:30:41.440 take anything Fauci recommended. Sounds like she thinks she's a lawyer. Well, gratefully,

00:30:49.660 she sat down with Jack Posobiec to further explore what actually happened behind the scenes.

00:30:56.340 And she's going to say a lot of words, a lot of words. Try to follow along. Take a listen.

00:31:02.720 I think it's important to have the context of my husband and I had a long distance relationship

00:31:07.520 only. He lived in Beijing, China. He was already there. His dad introduced us to each other. His

00:31:16.360 dad was an adjunct professor at Pepperdine Law. And he said, do you want to meet my son? And I

00:31:21.020 met his son. And his son lived in Beijing. And so it was long distance while I did law school.

00:31:26.100 And he was in private equity, an American private equity company in China. I had already

00:31:33.460 pre-registered to take the bar and I didn't want to withdraw from that. And we knew we would be

00:31:39.260 moving out to China. And I was obviously incredibly distracted and overwhelmed and excited for

00:31:46.700 finally being married to someone who had been long distance from for at least a year, a year

00:31:51.620 and a half when you include the engagement. And we just said, let's take this time and I'll take

00:32:00.360 the bar and see what happens. The results are somewhat inconsequential because I knew I wouldn't

00:32:06.200 need the bar in China. And, um, and we left for shortly thereafter. And after moving to China,

00:32:13.420 I think I didn't, I didn't really think much of the bar results or consider that something that

00:32:19.300 I needed to focus on. And I was offered a job at a, in an international practice division of a,

00:32:25.420 of a Chinese law firm called Zhonglin Law Firm. And the international practice were four

00:32:30.600 associates under a senior partner. And we worked the international side, the English language side,

00:32:37.520 and we had a Chinese counterpart that was there. There's no Chinese bar. I had the enough

00:32:42.280 credentials, which was my law degree to be able to do this practice. And these were multimillion

00:32:46.500 dollar shareholders agreements and transactions that were cross border. And there, I had all the

00:32:53.140 necessary requirements to do that. And I was able to do it effectively and well and have going

00:32:58.100 recommendations from the senior partner who oversaw my time there. So when, when you eventually do

00:33:03.120 come back and I'm just doing the timeline here, you eventually do come back. Why didn't you decide

00:33:07.640 to go back and try the bargain? Well, when we moved back, Jack, we got a surprise baby. Our

00:33:14.960 Our first baby is, this is his birthday today and he is 12 years old and he, we got pregnant

00:33:24.480 and we decided, all right, well, we're going to stay in the United States and we are not

00:33:28.820 going to move back abroad.

00:33:33.160 Does it make any sense to me?

00:33:35.780 What's a surprise baby, by the way?

00:33:38.100 I would, I've heard of surprise pregnancies.

00:33:40.680 I've never heard of a surprise baby because usually you're surprised, you find out you're

00:33:42.980 pregnant and then you've got nine and a half months and the baby comes. So why would that

00:33:47.740 stop you from taking the bar? I don't understand that. What's how does a surprise baby? What is a

00:33:54.240 surprise baby? A and B, how does that prevent you from taking the bar when you have no kids?

00:34:00.760 It doesn't. I actually checked. I was like, are you prevented? If you failed, you have to wait

00:34:04.540 a certain time to take. No, it says that you can take it the next time it's administered. The bar

00:34:08.340 is administered twice a year according to just a little bit of research i did today says it's

00:34:14.100 administered twice a year and you can just keep taking it and she told him that when they got

00:34:20.200 back to america she decided not to because they had a surprise baby like a stork dropped it off

00:34:24.200 or something and no you also by the way i do want to say this even if you have a baby you can take

00:34:30.580 you can take the bar exam i checked there doesn't seem to be any preclusions if you are pregnant if

00:34:37.560 you have a child, if you have two children, three children, four children, doesn't make any sense 0.93

00:34:41.540 as to why she then continued to describe herself as an attorney. Yeah. So we're just going to go

00:34:48.220 with that. Like I said, I think I like her now. I think I like her now because she just says a lot

00:34:53.260 of words and says nothing. So I think she's highly qualified to represent what the Trump

00:34:58.360 administration has become, which is just a group of liars, right? By the way, in case you were 0.76

00:35:03.280 following the administration and, you know, Pete Hegseth, who tries to pretend to be tough. He just

00:35:09.140 kind of is always jogging with people in the military. Oh, I'll jog with you at 5 a.m. Never

00:35:13.700 mind. I'm going to send you to die for Israel, right? Well, one of his recent tough guy things 1.00

00:35:18.160 was, we are going to be executing the Fort Hood shooter and we're going to live stream it. What?

00:35:26.320 What are we even speaking about right now? We used to be a civilized society and debate the

00:35:32.820 death penalty in general. Like, do you support death penalty? Why you support it? Why you don't

00:35:36.620 support it? Now we are suddenly at this radical point where people are trying to say it is totally

00:35:44.700 legitimate for us to just live stream the death. Like, that's a totally normal thing to want to

00:35:49.400 watch someone die. The Fort Hood shooter, by the way, obviously not an innocent person. He murdered

00:35:55.960 a lot of people. And you can say, I believe that he should be put to death. That's totally fine. 1.00

00:36:01.320 But to then take the extreme of saying I want to watch him die, it's like when we had people who were at first like, oh, I'm pro-choice because I learned in school that's a clump of cells. 0.56

00:36:11.660 And then we suddenly had women who were wearing T-shirts. 0.98

00:36:15.480 They're nine months pregnant like I am, and they're like, still not a baby, I'll kill it. 1.00

00:36:19.160 And my producer had mentioned to me, it's like somebody being like, no, I want to watch you rip the baby from my womb, limb for limb.

00:36:25.840 This is where we're at now.

00:36:26.700 And we're trying to pretend that this is conservative.

00:36:29.060 People are trying to make theological arguments.

00:36:31.600 Oh, well, this is what...

00:36:32.960 Guys, we don't live in a theocracy.

00:36:35.720 We don't live in a theocracy. 0.66

00:36:37.360 The Epstein class is in power. 0.83

00:36:39.640 So you empower them to just start live executing people, right? 0.93

00:36:43.800 This Bolshevik generation of people that are in control right now 0.51

00:36:47.440 who have a penchant for harming children. 0.98

00:36:50.200 And I feel like we're going to very quickly arrive upon a slippery slope.

00:36:54.260 And you know who else thought that?

00:36:55.680 So brilliant ahead of his time about what would happen.

00:36:58.600 if the, so to speak, Epstein class got that kind of power.

00:37:03.020 Charlie Kirk, take a listen.

00:37:05.420 I would say in America, I would oppose the death penalty

00:37:07.780 for a very specific reason,

00:37:09.660 because right now the trend is this current government

00:37:13.500 will use any power we give them against us.

00:37:15.960 And this is the Patriot Act argument, right?

00:37:19.100 The moral argument, I'm totally on board.

00:37:20.900 If we had a government that was ethical

00:37:22.100 and understood, you know, duty and-

00:37:25.860 You're saying just you think the government's so far gone

00:37:28.080 that they could in the...

00:37:29.660 Practically right now in America,

00:37:31.120 I think we should oppose the death penalty.

00:37:32.860 We should.

00:37:33.240 Because they could start executing

00:37:34.380 the Charlie Kirk's of the way.

00:37:35.440 No, they would.

00:37:36.460 They absolutely...

00:37:37.220 Maybe.

00:37:37.820 I don't know if it's that far.

00:37:38.880 I mean, like, it's pretty bad.

00:37:40.380 I'm just saying, you know...

00:37:41.440 No, no, it's that bad.

00:37:42.040 They did execute Charlie Kirk.

00:37:43.140 They're not doing it yet, at least.

00:37:44.640 What, the death penalty part?

00:37:45.900 Yeah, they barely carry out

00:37:46.940 the death penalty at all.

00:37:47.560 No, because right now,

00:37:48.740 opposing the death penalty

00:37:49.640 fits their agenda,

00:37:51.240 which is to try to have compassion

00:37:53.080 supersede justice, right?

00:37:55.940 But make no mistake, 0.85

00:37:57.360 as soon as the actual Bolsheviks take over, 0.93

00:37:59.340 they're going to want to bring back the geek, right? 0.84

00:38:00.940 They're going to come to this table.

00:38:01.740 The idea that Michael Knowles and Charlie

00:38:03.520 could still be in a gulag on Alba is like,

00:38:06.680 no, no, no, no, we got to wipe him off.

00:38:08.020 He's still a threat.

00:38:08.600 He's still breathing, right?

00:38:09.680 Yeah, we don't get the vacation to Alba. 0.97

00:38:11.200 That's probably true.

00:38:12.160 That's probably true.

00:38:16.720 Agreed.

00:38:18.520 Agreed.

00:38:20.340 And of course, Charlie was not speaking

00:38:22.760 about Pete Hegseth.

00:38:24.480 He was not speaking about Donald Trump.

00:38:25.780 And that was not what he was thinking. 0.78

00:38:27.360 And yet his words carry weight, especially because he was assassinated by, in my opinion, I'm allowed to have an opinion, the Epstein class killed Charlie Kirk, set up his assassination. That's my viewpoint. 0.87

00:38:43.060 I don't believe Tyler Robinson did it alone on a rooftop. And you do not want to empower the Epstein class to go around and commit executions based on what they deem to be worthy of live streaming these executions. 0.83

00:38:58.020 It's so dark and Epstein-coded, and it made me sick of this evening of debate. 0.71

00:39:02.520 But yes, I'll tell you quickly, Trump did issue a truth social post where he established that

00:39:09.020 Nidal Malik Hassan, who was the former U.S. Army major turned traitor, would not be executed.

00:39:16.700 It would not be live-streamed.

00:39:17.960 And he wrote a long post. 0.99

00:39:19.200 He said he was scum, but there are well-meaning people who would rather not watch him die. 1.00

00:39:24.220 Also, he's paraplegic. 1.00

00:39:25.260 I don't know how that's going to play on TV.

00:39:27.520 why people are like suddenly wanting to watch that.

00:39:31.240 If you were a person who maybe was related

00:39:34.160 to someone who was killed by him, 0.97

00:39:36.780 you might say, I want to watch him die.

00:39:40.380 But just generally people like, you know,

00:39:43.540 Andrew Wilson, oh, I can't wait to watch.

00:39:45.580 Yeah, I bet you can't wait to watch. 0.98

00:39:47.340 This is like a state-sponsored snuff pornography.

00:39:51.600 It was very weird to me to hear people

00:39:53.720 just clamoring to watch somebody's soul leave their body.

00:39:58.560 Like, it's a disturbing place that we're at in America

00:40:01.540 where that's even a debate.

00:40:03.560 And like I said, it is not a theological question

00:40:06.360 because we don't live in a theocracy.

00:40:08.380 Anyway, he did acknowledge in his Truth Social post,

00:40:12.700 Donald Trump said that the execution can be viewed

00:40:14.540 by people in the immediate families of the victims

00:40:18.060 if they so choose,

00:40:19.960 because they deserve to witness it if they want to.

00:40:22.720 And that's all.

00:40:24.580 We'll leave it at that.

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00:42:16.560 Okay, top comments from yesterday's episode.

00:42:19.220 Danielle wrote,

00:42:19.860 if the information in the files causes the entire system to collapse, referring to the Jeffrey

00:42:24.320 Epstein files, then it's a system that needs to collapse. I agree. Sound logic. It needs to

00:42:30.740 collapse. Minta writes, if it wasn't for candidates digging into all of the background of all of this,

00:42:36.280 we wouldn't even know how all of these dots connect. Yes, there have been others, obviously,

00:42:41.240 who have been just as consistent, staying focused, not jumping into all the riffraff. A lot of times

00:42:46.780 see people on X like everyone's like fighting and just help investigate or don't. And that's why

00:42:53.080 obviously I selected Baron Coleman to take over the show because he has been focused and he's

00:42:57.960 been up to and everything. And we have been information sharing in the background for quite

00:43:02.020 some time now. But it's you can't ignore it. Talk about the elephant clipping in the room. You can't

00:43:07.960 ignore all of these ties. It's absolutely bizarre. And they just think they're going to get out of it

00:43:12.860 by just knowing powerful people, calling people demonic.

00:43:17.340 How do you call me demonic

00:43:19.120 when this is who you're aligned with?

00:43:21.700 These are the crimes that you're trying to pretend

00:43:24.040 are not happening that are tangential to Turning Point USA.

00:43:28.500 It doesn't work and we're gonna keep going

00:43:31.120 and people, we're not gonna sit here

00:43:32.420 and be silenced by lawsuits.

00:43:35.120 Ignore the Epstein class taking over

00:43:37.060 or we're going to bankrupt you.

00:43:39.140 Like, no, my children are not growing up in this.

00:43:41.580 This is not gonna happen.

00:43:42.860 This this is this doesn't work for me. I'm sorry. Comments from today's episode. We have TJ Kurt, who writes, we love Barron, but my wife and I are definitely going to have serious cans withdrawal during your absence. Enjoy the time with your growing family. You are very sweet and he will do a great job. And I'll pop in here and there. I'm sure there's going to be stories that I can't stay away from. So I'll just strap the baby to my chest and come down here anyway.

00:44:06.080 Lindsay Colon writes,

00:44:07.380 Amazed at how so many incredibly rare life choices,

00:44:10.660 career decisions, risks taken,

00:44:12.340 and experience points earned

00:44:13.860 that took place to set you into the position

00:44:16.100 that you're currently in.

00:44:16.880 It is so clearly divinely inspired.

00:44:18.620 This is your life's purpose,

00:44:19.480 and I think that you understand that.

00:44:21.040 I do look back and I think about how everywhere I was,

00:44:25.140 there was something that I needed to see

00:44:26.240 that brought me to this point.

00:44:27.340 And that's why I reflect on Charlie

00:44:29.240 knowing he was going to die

00:44:30.120 and me not taking him seriously.

00:44:32.020 And I think that I was intentionally blinded

00:44:34.160 Because if I had not been blinded, I wouldn't have gone to work for PragerU.

00:44:37.920 I wouldn't have gone to work for Daily Wire.

00:44:39.760 I see them totally differently now.

00:44:41.520 And so I feel like my eyes were opened at the exact right moment to then reflect and to know things about how things work.

00:44:46.940 So I can instantly call BS.

00:44:48.660 Like, I was at Turning Point USA.

00:44:50.420 And I instantly, I was going, this is weird.

00:44:52.740 Why is this happening?

00:44:53.440 This is not how these events go.

00:44:55.380 So the journey, I mean, always for all of us, is divinely inspired.

00:44:59.940 But I do reflect sometimes, and I am in awe of it.

00:45:02.780 uh melissa b writes it's so interesting that we haven't seen any of the never before seen charlie

00:45:07.940 episodes that erica and her henchmen were bragging about canis we pray god speed delivery and healing

00:45:12.920 over you may the lord bless you and keep you thank you very much melissa and yeah it is interesting 0.96

00:45:17.840 some of the stuff they were saying was just stupid they were like never before seen speeches like 0.67

00:45:22.800 what do you mean like who is he speaking to like he's talking to himself in the mirror like gotta 1.00

00:45:28.020 be seen by somebody. It's a speech. And I do think they were going to employ AI Charlie.

00:45:34.280 I mean, they were having discussions with people that do that kind of stuff. Like,

00:45:37.200 what were those meetings about? It's weird. There are so many different rabbit holes that

00:45:41.880 you could chase. And I do want to chase them all, but I know that I can't. And I just try to stay

00:45:46.360 focused on September 10th and the information that we are gathering. And there just seems to be

00:45:51.540 never ending. But there is a picture that is emerging.

00:45:54.920 Brie Love Grove writes,

00:45:56.100 you accidentally sent me an extra,

00:45:57.780 this is my second favorite shirt.

00:45:59.440 And now I'm confused about which one

00:46:00.860 is actually my second favorite.

00:46:03.900 Oh, I did not know that we did that.

00:46:06.680 Gift it to somebody.

00:46:07.540 That's what you have to do.

00:46:08.640 And then it's both your second favorite shirts.

00:46:10.360 It was meant to happen.

00:46:11.300 Give it to somebody else who watches the podcast

00:46:13.260 and tell them I said thank you.

00:46:15.180 Brooke Evans writes,

00:46:15.800 I have shared your podcast with so many people

00:46:17.980 who now watch your show.

00:46:19.020 I deeply respect your pursuit of truth

00:46:20.360 and how your faith guides it.

00:46:21.520 you shine light on the deranged people of power who go unchecked love from houston jesus is king

00:46:26.400 go max that's very very sweet brooke and you know like i said i will never stop thanking you guys

00:46:32.040 for getting me through a tough year i feel like myself again i'm gonna feel more like myself when

00:46:35.680 this baby drops i drop the baby because he's now taking over my body and um it's it's become very

00:46:42.380 extreme so um hopefully that will happen soon pray for that a nurse it will happen soon i mean

00:46:47.380 There's never been anybody that's been pregnant forever, right?

00:46:50.520 Never happened. 0.93

00:46:51.480 Someone just was actually pregnant forever. 0.97

00:46:53.040 Because I know that all women who are pregnant, when you get to the end, the last four weeks, you think, no, I'm going to be the one person that was just pregnant forever for the rest of my life. 0.98

00:47:01.060 And that's how I feel right now.

00:47:02.780 Nurse B writes, 13 months ago, I would have given you the time of day.

00:47:06.220 I would not have given you the time of day, but something changed for me.

00:47:08.840 I think the loyalty to your friend, the pursuit of truth is the something.

00:47:12.220 Even when I am doing the medical, I never miss an episode, Gomez.

00:47:16.280 Were you doing the medical today?

00:47:19.180 Somebody in the comments was like,

00:47:21.000 could you imagine if you went to the dentist

00:47:22.660 and he was like, okay, I'm going to do the teeth.

00:47:25.220 It's just so absurd to think that Brian Harpole, 1.00

00:47:29.420 who I worked with and who I know and who is an idiot, 1.00

00:47:32.880 okay, he is an idiot, 1.00

00:47:34.720 was the person that was in control 1.00

00:47:37.160 or that Mikey McCoy was the general.

00:47:39.460 Mikey McCoy, I could believe more than Brian Harpole,

00:47:41.980 but it's like, if you are going to pretend

00:47:43.520 that you are barking orders at nurses,

00:47:45.520 and doctors and telling them

00:47:48.320 what sort of medicine to give Charlie,

00:47:49.920 please don't say doing the medical.

00:47:52.520 I don't ask for much, right?

00:47:54.500 I ask for a little bit more eloquence than that.

00:48:00.780 CPTNSL0 writes,

00:48:02.640 the bloodied bag was offered to Sean Ryan.

00:48:05.400 Sean declined it because he thought it was weird.

00:48:07.240 No, that's Brian Harple's bag.

00:48:09.640 That's totally different.

00:48:10.740 And again, the Tyler Clancy story

00:48:14.480 is that the officer did throw out the bag

00:48:17.560 and it matches Frank Turek's.

00:48:19.500 I'm sure, obviously, that it would make sense

00:48:22.740 that Brian got some blood on him

00:48:25.160 when he was doing the medical.

00:48:27.820 But I think that these are two separate bags

00:48:30.440 and that Brian had nothing to do

00:48:32.480 with the police officer story,

00:48:34.440 which we are still prodding.

00:48:35.740 So if you know,

00:48:36.860 if you have any information pertaining to Tyler Clancy,

00:48:39.820 we would like to hear it.

00:48:41.660 Any more information that you feel that we should know,

00:48:43.740 As I said, we already went out to him for a comment before we published.

00:48:46.200 We will let you know what we hear back from Governor Cox's office.

00:48:49.860 You know more information about Governor Cox and promotions.

00:48:52.460 I did see one in my inbox, which we will report on next week.

00:48:56.120 Another timely promotion that came in October that was tangential to Charlie on the 10th.

00:49:04.160 Please email us moretips at CandaceOwins.com.

00:49:07.400 And we still, still are looking for information.

00:49:13.280 I'm going to have to put a bounty up on it, aren't I?

00:49:15.860 Information pertaining to who the fire captain was who performed CPR on Charlie when he arrived to the hospital.

00:49:25.820 Met them at the hospital, according to the UVU Independent Review.

00:49:29.880 There was a fire captain.

00:49:32.140 I'd like to know who that fire captain was.

00:49:34.900 We learned from the reports that they were from Fire Station 2, I believe.

00:49:41.220 Don't quote me on that, but something 2.

00:49:44.540 I think it was Fire Station 2 in Orem.

00:49:48.000 Maybe it was Provo.

00:49:49.260 But the point is, is we don't know who that fire captain is who performs CPR.

00:49:52.780 And we find it to be very odd that neither Frank Turek, in as many iterations of what happened,

00:49:57.320 nor Brian Harpole in his super fantastic story

00:50:03.320 of all that he did mentioned a fire captain

00:50:06.440 who gave CPR.

00:50:07.960 I am told that this information

00:50:09.720 is intentionally being hushed

00:50:12.840 and I can't figure out why

00:50:14.460 because that person would be a hero.

00:50:16.120 You try to save Charlie Kirk's life.

00:50:17.280 I can't figure out why they are trying

00:50:19.440 to keep this information locked down.

00:50:21.140 So please email us if you know more tips

00:50:23.780 at canastones.com.

00:50:24.840 Again, we want someone with direct knowledge,

00:50:26.720 not people that are guessing based off of research.

00:50:30.180 I don't think that's going to help us at this stage.

00:50:33.960 So, yeah, we'll leave it at that.

00:50:36.440 You know what to do if you want to support us.

00:50:39.000 Merch on the website.

00:50:40.820 You can look fly.

00:50:42.900 Go to canastones.com.

00:50:43.900 If you do by accident get two second favorite shirts,

00:50:47.400 you can give it to a friend, gang gang.

00:50:49.920 You wear it at the same time.

00:50:50.820 It's both your second favorite shirts.

00:50:52.040 I don't know what your first favorite shirt is,

00:50:53.760 but that's your second one.

00:50:54.880 You can buy a CIA hat.

00:50:56.340 the hunter green ones are really great for the fall. I look great in that hunter green one. In

00:51:01.740 fact, maybe I'll wear it tomorrow for book club. We do have book club tomorrow, by the way,

00:51:05.800 as we continue reading the book. I don't know why. Bearing false witness, Skylar to the rescue,

00:51:13.360 trying to make up for what Skylar did, which will never be forgotten. We all know what Skylar did.

00:51:20.480 We all know what Skylar does. We all know what Skylar's going to do. Anyway, we'll see you guys

00:51:25.720 on Monday.

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