Candace Owens - Meet My Husband, George Farmer ｜ Candace Ep 119

00:00:00.000 All right, guys, it's only taken me six years to book this next guest.

00:00:04.580 Very difficult person to book, but I made it happen.

00:00:06.880 George Farmer, welcome to Candice.

00:00:09.400 Hi, honey.

00:00:10.100 How come it's taken?

00:00:11.920 Why do you never come on my show?

00:00:13.640 I try so hard to get you on the show, and it's been six entire years since you've done that.

00:00:19.580 You know, your skills are in front of the camera.

00:00:21.860 Mine are behind them.

00:00:22.720 Yeah, exactly.

00:00:23.660 I like to let you do your thing.

00:00:24.820 I do my thing.

00:00:26.060 We do our own things, you know?

00:00:27.120 Well, I have a list of questions that the Internet would like to ask you.

00:00:30.580 Don't worry.

00:00:31.240 It's not too bad.

00:00:32.040 I will start, obviously.

00:00:33.520 People love to hear the story about how we met because it was, I wouldn't even say a bit like a rom-com.

00:00:38.340 It actually was a rom-com featuring Russell Brand, who does a lot of rom-coms.

00:00:42.880 He's actually known for a lot of rom-coms.

00:00:44.880 And so for those of people that don't know the story, it was a wintry night in London.

00:00:51.380 I was filming a podcast with a very communist, Russell Brand, by the way.

00:00:56.760 I would like to be very clear.

00:00:58.000 He was very far on the left.

00:01:00.440 And it was his under-the-skin podcast.

00:01:02.740 It was supposed to be for like an hour.

00:01:04.220 It ended up being three hours of filming.

00:01:06.680 And you had a friend, Paul Joseph Watson, who was a mutual friend, but I had never met him.

00:01:12.140 And he and I were supposed to meet up to finally meet off of the Internet just to say hi to each other.

00:01:17.520 And he never told me that he had actually organized an entire dinner for me and for Charlie Kirk with about 30 people.

00:01:26.200 So I had no idea that there was a dinner being thrown in my honor in which he kind of pawned it off to you to organize the dinner.

00:01:32.900 So I arrived three hours late.

00:01:35.840 My assistant informs me that there are a bunch of people waiting for me.

00:01:39.940 I get out of Russell Brand's house.

00:01:42.260 And I was very apologetic when I arrived three hours late because I like to be punctual.

00:01:47.480 And I sat next to you.

00:01:50.000 And you basically said nothing to me.

00:01:52.260 Correct.

00:01:52.760 I did what I've done for the past six years.

00:01:55.840 I just said nothing.

00:01:57.340 And it worked.

00:01:57.900 And it worked.

00:01:58.580 It absolutely worked.

00:01:59.100 And then you married me.

00:01:59.960 So I have no idea why.

00:02:01.000 Yeah.

00:02:01.640 18 days later, we get engaged.

00:02:04.800 And I think the first question that a lot of my audience members have is how did your family and friends react to that?

00:02:13.140 This American girl just breezes on in and then you're like, hey, I'm going to get married to this person that I barely know after 18 days.

00:02:21.900 Well, most of my friends thought that I was crazy.

00:02:25.620 And I'm still not sure they've recovered from that opinion.

00:02:28.360 But the family took it pretty well.

00:02:32.060 I mean, my parents were pretty, they, again, were like a bit kind of like, okay, this is very crazy, very odd, but sort of we'll go along with it and see where this goes.

00:02:43.640 And then they met you.

00:02:46.260 I think that was a big game changer for a lot of people because when they meet you, they're always as in awe as I was when I first met you.

00:02:53.600 But they were very receptive.

00:02:58.380 And after a while, I think everyone realized that it was real, you know, and that was the really big hurdle to get over was that everyone initially thought, is this crazy?

00:03:06.060 Is this just, you know, like a fire flung romance?

00:03:10.100 And then it was like, okay, this is actually real.

00:03:13.140 This is happening.

00:03:13.760 They're going to get married.

00:03:14.880 And then they've kind of moved.

00:03:16.560 The mood sort of moved to acceptance and people got on board and then they realized how great you were.

00:03:21.700 And then everyone was pretty happy about it.

00:03:23.020 Did you have any friend who, unbeknownst to me, was like, listen, mate, as they say in the UK, listen, mate, you are making a really bad decision, the worst decision possibly of your life?

00:03:35.320 No, not really.

00:03:36.620 I mean...

00:03:37.900 Is that a credit to them or a discredit to them?

00:03:40.360 Yeah, probably, I think it's a credit to them.

00:03:43.100 Yeah, I mean, I think our best, my best man, Nick, who you obviously know very well, his original reaction was, you're crazy and this is never going to happen.

00:03:57.280 That was really when I first met you.

00:03:58.820 Like on the first night that we first met, people were very...

00:04:03.640 When I went back from that night, I was like, okay, you know, there's this girl, very interesting, like this could go somewhere, all that kind of stuff. 0.95

00:04:10.980 And his initial reaction was, you're completely insane.

00:04:15.120 But then by, you know, come January, come February, come March of the next year, which was 2019, when we got married, it was like, yeah, this is happening and this is good.

00:04:26.420 This is good.

00:04:27.080 Everyone likes you.

00:04:28.260 I remember for me, I didn't have anybody in my personal life that was saying, don't do this.

00:04:34.060 But I definitely had people in my professional life who were saying, I will never forget this.

00:04:38.780 We have to call them out, right?

00:04:40.000 We do.

00:04:40.980 Charlie, Charlie Kirk, Charles Kirk, if you are watching right now.

00:04:45.040 But obviously he was very young and both of us were just so absorbed with politics and we were traveling together everywhere.

00:04:52.660 Charlie really was like a little brother to me.

00:04:54.600 And I remember he's just like, you just cannot do this.

00:04:58.080 You don't know this person.

00:04:58.860 And then one of the donors to Turning Point USA was telling him it would be very bad for my brand.

00:05:05.760 And that really stuck with me that one of the donors said, it would be very bad for your brand for you to like not marry a black guy from the projects or something like that.

00:05:14.180 That's right, yeah.

00:05:14.800 And I was sort of rebutted.

00:05:16.660 Do you think it's been bad for your brand?

00:05:18.160 It's sort of rebutted.

00:05:18.880 That's the real question.

00:05:19.700 I think it's like, is it bad for your brand now?

00:05:22.400 Well, I do not typically consider who I'm going to marry as a brand decision.

00:05:27.840 Which is what I explained to them.

00:05:28.760 Maybe you should.

00:05:29.560 Yeah.

00:05:30.240 But yeah, we got married and we proved the naysayers wrong.

00:05:35.780 It's been a very, a lot of learning experience.

00:05:38.860 And I think another question a lot of people have is, what is the most difficult part about being married to Candace Owens?

00:05:47.060 How long have we got?

00:05:52.660 Well, I like to joke with you and you know that I tell you this joke.

00:05:55.400 So really, this is just for the audience, but I like to joke that there are many different women I'm married to because I'm never quite sure who I'm going to get in one day.

00:06:04.100 So it's like someday I'm going to get one personality and the next day it's this personality.

00:06:08.540 And then you've got your investigative journalist hat on and then you've got your mother's hat on and then you've got your Catholic hat on. 0.54

00:06:16.280 So there's a few hats that you're wearing at any one point in time.

00:06:20.120 So it's always fun.

00:06:21.800 I wouldn't say that's difficult.

00:06:23.260 It's really just a joy of who you are as a person.

00:06:26.880 You're being kind.

00:06:27.580 It's also been a tremendous challenge.

00:06:29.400 And I think personally to you, because you're so different from the environment that you're now stuck into, which is to say, you are an Englishman.

00:06:39.460 You like to retreat, sort of read your texts, a quiet place with a cigar.

00:06:46.120 Yep, this is all correct.

00:06:47.520 This is all very correct.

00:06:48.260 And then you marry this sort of loud American, you don't like taking pictures, you don't like being seen or photographed. 0.84

00:06:54.120 And then you marry this loud American. 1.00

00:06:56.460 And so you've really had to adjust, I think would be the correct word.

00:07:01.500 Yeah, it is the meeting of the two cultures is perfected in our marriage, I would say.

00:07:07.520 Yeah.

00:07:07.660 The bombastic Americanism versus the retired English persona has definitely been like fine-tuned.

00:07:16.600 But I think that like, I mean, I enjoy, I love America.

00:07:20.340 I mean, it goes without saying, but I love the American spirit and culture.

00:07:24.080 And you obviously embody much of that.

00:07:25.940 It's much more exciting in so many ways than England.

00:07:30.840 And that's not to say that I don't love England, because I do love England.

00:07:33.320 But there are parts about England which really are just quite like melancholic, I would say, and quite nostalgic.

00:07:41.340 And that is not who I am necessarily as a person.

00:07:44.780 I'd sort of grown tired of that by the time that we had met.

00:07:47.260 I was much more like needing to reinvigorate my life and to like find the next big project to move on to.

00:07:54.500 And kind of, I'm not saying that America was a big project, but it is definitely a different culture.

00:07:58.820 It's one which I really enjoy.

00:08:00.700 Which is funny because those are the sort of the elements that I really loved about England, that I really fell in love with.

00:08:05.260 Like sort of the sleepy...

00:08:06.240 You're always attracted to the opposite.

00:08:07.780 Yeah.

00:08:08.080 England, particularly London, is a bit of a Jane Austen novel.

00:08:13.080 And it's one of those, at least for me, one of the cities that actually like lives up to the hype.

00:08:19.220 And so I...

00:08:20.200 It used to.

00:08:21.200 I think it's like, it's faded a bit now, you know, under Sadiq Khan, who's a pretty terrible man.

00:08:27.500 Many people say that it's changed a lot.

00:08:30.200 We've had a kind of peak age, but like it is beautiful.

00:08:33.260 It's a great city.

00:08:34.140 It's a nice city.

00:08:35.040 But it's also, it's changed a lot.

00:08:38.080 But England as a whole, like is very beautiful country.

00:08:40.360 I mean, it's filled with beautiful, you know, history, tradition, churches, culture, the universities, the ancient universities like Oxbridge, Durham, you know, they're wonderful places to visit.

00:08:56.800 But it is in danger of kind of slipping into that like European psychosis of just becoming a beautiful museum, you know, and there's no like, there's nothing invigorating about it.

00:09:07.860 It needs to be revitalized.

00:09:10.180 It's like, you actually need to have something which is growing and producing goods and making society work, you know, and kind of, it's slipping.

00:09:18.280 Yeah, I think you've definitely made me appreciate a lot of those aspects of American culture because there is something about England that is quite parochial.

00:09:25.640 And it seems like it's never changing, which is beautiful in many ways, but also sometimes not because you want things to change, not necessarily to give up traditions, not necessarily to give up beauty and architecture and taking your time to make things, which I think America could learn from.

00:09:42.960 But definitely, I think in terms of their willingness to confront certain issues, I would probably say, I find the English to be incredibly polite, which I think can be very frustrating.

00:09:55.720 I would imagine can be very frustrating for people that live there.

00:09:57.820 So for you, coming to America, moving your entire life here after being a person that's born and raised in London, and has lived in this sort of quiet, sleepy, melancholic culture, what has been the biggest change or culture shock?

00:10:15.600 The bacon.

00:10:18.680 Obviously, the bacon, which is infinitely superior in America, I would say that.

00:10:23.120 I think it's really important to be honest about your own country and culture.

00:10:28.300 American bacon is just much better than English bacon.

00:10:30.760 And burgers.

00:10:31.940 Yep, the burgers too.

00:10:33.600 Driving on the right-hand side of the road is the right side of the road to drive on.

00:10:38.220 Definitely having now driven a lot of miles on both sides of the road.

00:10:41.540 But there are other things like, you know, people dress better in England.

00:10:45.600 There's just no doubt about it.

00:10:46.660 They dress better.

00:10:49.940 What would I say is the biggest culture shock in general, though?

00:10:52.040 I would say that there is definitely an aspect of what I just mentioned, which is kind of that willingness to get up and change things and do things, which is really powerful in America.

00:11:04.260 Like, that is definitely the, that is one of the biggest culture shocks.

00:11:07.220 Like, and there are other people who have said the same thing.

00:11:09.860 There is, you know, I was reading something the other day where somebody who previously lived in Germany moved to America.

00:11:16.420 And they basically said, before I moved to America, my parent, my father worked in a nonprofit and my mother worked for the federal government of Germany.

00:11:25.460 And so no one in my life and no one that I really knew in my life had ever worked in a for-profit business.

00:11:30.240 Like, everyone had either been subsidized by other people or subsidized by the state.

00:11:34.120 And so when you move to America, like, for me, that was one of the hugest things.

00:11:37.100 Like, you just kind of move over here.

00:11:38.640 There's people just doing things the whole time.

00:11:40.840 And it is a, it is a culture of activity and entrepreneurial spirit.

00:11:46.740 And so that, for me, was a huge eye-opener when I moved here.

00:11:51.140 I would also say that the other big thing, which has kind of faded in my acknowledgement of how revolutionary it is in some ways, is just because it's now, I'm now part of that culture in America.

00:12:05.580 So I've become less receptive to how big it is.

00:12:09.120 But I remember how big it is when I go back to the UK is faith.

00:12:13.140 Because in America, faith is a default.

00:12:17.480 It's almost, it's, it's almost something which people open with in conversations, particularly, obviously, where we live in Tennessee, you will come across people the whole time saying, what church do you go to?

00:12:30.960 And I was listening to a faith-based podcast, or I was reading the Bible or something like that.

00:12:37.460 And in Britain, I would argue it is one of the most advanced secular cultures in the world.

00:12:44.460 And you talk about faith in the public domain in Britain, and people look at you as if you've got five heads.

00:12:51.240 And it's really just very demoralizing.

00:12:55.440 It's quite, it's quite hostile, really, to actually organized faith.

00:13:00.440 And there's a difference between continental Europe and the UK.

00:13:04.960 Continental Europe has predominantly been Catholic.

00:13:06.740 And there's much more of a kind of hardcore Catholicism in places like France and Spain.

00:13:15.120 Obviously, Italy is completely separate, because that's where the home of the church is.

00:13:18.380 But, you know, you've got these countries in Europe where there's kind of a hardcore Catholic movement.

00:13:23.060 And so if you say, like, I go to mass every day, or I, you know, take my faith life seriously, and you said to one of those people, they would be very receptive to that.

00:13:30.940 And there's a whole branch of society which is kind of built around preserving the faith.

00:13:35.700 But in Britain, the Anglican Church, which is the state church, is very, is very liberal.

00:13:43.300 I mean, it's incredibly progressive.

00:13:44.620 And as a result, most people have, most of British society have no real faith life.

00:13:50.840 And so faith in the public domain is just not something talked about.

00:13:54.260 And so over here, you come over here, it's amazingly refreshing to be in America, where people are so open, not just to the idea of talking about faith, but so open to learning about faith, so open to talk that conversion experiences happen the whole time over here, whereas they're kind of rare in the UK.

00:14:15.320 But yeah, that's probably one of the biggest culture shocks, I'd say.

00:14:17.760 Yeah, that's interesting, because it's a bit of a paradox when you consider the fact that if you could attribute the beauty and the timelessness and the inspiration of Europe to anything, it would be Christianity.

00:14:28.840 And so to hear so many people say that they've abandoned those roots, it's just, it's interesting how they've landed upon that.

00:14:35.660 But that's a perfect segue, because obviously one of the biggest questions that we get about you, or the most frequent questions that we get about you, is about your faith.

00:14:43.060 Not exactly a usual scenario for someone to leave the Anglican Church and become a Catholic, least of all, when they were actually raised with a strong faith.

00:14:57.560 So I guess, can you just speak a little bit to your faith journey?

00:15:01.020 Speaking about your household, how you were raised, whether your parents had faith, have faith.

00:15:05.980 And then let's get into your decision to, we say in America, study theology.

00:15:13.240 You would say to read theology in the UK, at Oxford.

00:15:18.140 Yeah, so I mean, my parents are both evangelical Christians.

00:15:24.080 And as you know, my sisters are also, like, they have a mixed faith life.

00:15:31.120 One of them is very devout, the other one is not.

00:15:32.740 I was raised in a home which is still to this day, like, my parents' house would be very built around the Bible, would be very built around a daily prayer life, a weekly church attendance.

00:15:47.120 Like, that would be something that is just Bible studies, like, very regular, involved in the church.

00:15:52.480 Faith was a huge part of our life growing up.

00:15:54.360 And so, you quickly became aware of that in England, just going back to my previous answer about how secular it is, because when you say that you go to church on Sunday in the UK, that is not normal.

00:16:06.480 And so, as a result, by the time that you're cognizant of kind of having that discussion with your peers at a very young age, like 7, 8, 9, 10, at a boys' school in London, you become very aware that faith is different.

00:16:18.940 And that, for me, was probably the starting block, because then what happened was I started to become more interested in why I was different.

00:16:30.660 Like, I started to become more interested in why my family had a faith life, had a religious life, versus the rest of the kind of secular schoolboys who didn't.

00:16:41.260 And so, for me, that kind of started a long journey of becoming quite interested in theology and faith.

00:16:48.440 By the time that I was 12, 13, 14, I was very aware that faith was a huge part of how I saw the world.

00:17:02.340 So, it just, it's different.

00:17:05.600 I mean, if you are brought up in a faith-filled home, you will realize that faith, religion, has a huge impact on the way people are shaped.

00:17:17.300 And that was equally as being played out in the UK during my formative years by radical Islam, as it was being played out by my own faith formation in Christianity.

00:17:30.380 Because, at the end of the Cold War, of course, we had this great 10-year window where historians and philosophers, famously Francis Fukuyama, said,

00:17:40.560 this is the end of history.

00:17:43.480 Neoliberal capitalism has won.

00:17:46.400 We will never see the rise of another ideology again, in the same way that communism and capitalism had to face off against each other.

00:17:53.180 And in the early 2000s, that couldn't have been proved more wrong, because this was when the rise of radical Islam happened. 0.67

00:18:02.120 And particularly in Europe, this was felt very strongly.

00:18:06.560 And so, for me, I was witnessing things like London bombings going on in my teenage years versus my own faith formation in Christianity.

00:18:17.520 And this made me realize, by quite a young age, that faith, religion, is just a huge part of people's life.

00:18:25.460 You know, it is a huge part.

00:18:27.540 It is almost the greatest force which drives...

00:18:31.880 It is the greatest force which drives the world.

00:18:34.320 And I would also say the lack of faith as well.

00:18:36.640 Yeah.

00:18:37.160 Yeah.

00:18:37.500 A faith in nothing.

00:18:38.460 Yeah, exactly.

00:18:39.120 Because they always replace it with a faith in something else.

00:18:41.300 Yeah.

00:18:41.960 Which is kind of an interesting way of looking at it.

00:18:44.500 Yeah.

00:18:44.700 But, yeah, I mean, in the UK, and again, this is because of the UK's advanced secular culture.

00:18:52.280 In some ways, you look at radical Islam in Europe.

00:18:58.040 Well, what's Islam reacting to?

00:19:01.020 Like, why are so many young men in Europe being drawn to Islam?

00:19:07.800 The reason being is because the void, it's the void.

00:19:14.140 Nature abhors a vacuum.

00:19:16.280 And so you've had the churches in Europe, whether it be the Catholic Church or the Protestant churches, they have stripped themselves of true theology.

00:19:27.540 And the Catholic Church in Europe is as guilty as this of anyone else. 0.85

00:19:31.880 You've had this progressive, weak, wishy-washy, liberal gospel being preached by, you know, every pastor under the sun.

00:19:41.800 And then you've got this religion, which crops up, which shows affirmative action, absolute strength. 0.81

00:19:51.360 You know, these are the tenets which appeal to young men, particularly in Europe and, of course, in the Middle East.

00:20:00.300 But, you know, predominantly in Europe, a lot of the radicalism within Europe is now homegrown.

00:20:05.820 It's not being imported.

00:20:07.240 It's being homegrown.

00:20:08.880 And so this is the key, you know, driving force is the fact that theology, like Christianity in Europe, has been stripped of its actual truth, its eternal truth.

00:20:20.800 And that's not to say that, OK, you know, there would be no conversion to Islam if Christianity was standing on its own two feet. 0.75

00:20:27.540 But it's definitely the case that if you look at the UK, for example, you've got this progressive, weak, Anglican church, which is basically saying that, you know, left-wing politics is good.

00:20:40.020 And, you know, the predominant role of the church is to care about the environment and, you know, all this kind of nonsense.

00:20:45.880 And actually, of course, people don't just they don't just want a social gospel.

00:20:51.260 They want eternal truth and they want real faith.

00:20:55.220 They want to be told, this is how you should live your life, right?

00:20:58.780 This is the real meaning of life.

00:21:00.560 It's not just about, you know, the environment and net zero and whatever else that we're coming out with.

00:21:07.300 What you're talking about is really just the absence of authority and structure.

00:21:10.620 And people actually crave that in the end.

00:21:12.600 It reminds me of when I hosted Andrew Tate.

00:21:15.580 I want to say it was a couple of years ago.

00:21:16.880 Maybe it was last year.

00:21:17.600 But he similarly said I pressed him on why he left Christianity and the answer he gave, which was very interesting for me to consider, was he basically said Christianity became weak and Christians don't defend themselves.

00:21:30.800 They allow people to disrespect Jesus Christ.

00:21:33.200 And how are people supposed to be drawn to something that has been weak and obviously startling, upsetting to hear.

00:21:40.620 But he is echoing, I think, what you are what you are speaking to, which is that there there does need to be a return to a truer faith.

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00:22:51.260 So you're raised in an evangelical household.

00:22:54.120 You are introduced to faith your entire life.

00:22:57.800 You are drawn to it at a, I would say, rather, it's very young, 13 years old.

00:23:03.000 So that's how you are.

00:23:04.780 And when did you make the decision, I'm actually going to study this at Oxford.

00:23:09.860 Like I'm going to, I actually want to continue this pursuit with theology.

00:23:14.640 Yeah.

00:23:15.120 Was it right away?

00:23:18.120 Did you consider a second subject?

00:23:19.760 It was, I sort of thought about history at one point, but it was quite clear to me, I think, that theology was the answer.

00:23:28.460 You know, I was very interested in it.

00:23:29.900 As I said, I was just very, very interested in it.

00:23:31.900 I, by the time I was 15, I had begun the conversion experience that I then went through for the next five years to Catholicism, which culminated in me converting when I was at Oxford.

00:23:42.060 Let's not, let's slow this part down because this is, this is pretty big, obviously, especially as, like I said, someone raised Anglican.

00:23:50.360 So you're at Oxford, you're studying theology, what moved you as an evangelical to the Catholic faith, which I imagine you were raised with a different understanding, a different perspective.

00:24:05.060 Evangelicals do tend to hold a lot of, I would say, strong feelings against the Catholic faith, both here and abroad. 0.97

00:24:12.220 The whore of Babylon. 1.00

00:24:13.480 No. 1.00

00:24:14.460 That is, some evangelicals would say that.

00:24:17.240 But it, yes, of course, I mean, it was, I was brought up in a home where I think it was viewed with suspicion at best.

00:24:28.340 Although, you know, to give my parents credit where it was due, they had always basically said that it was a personal relationship with Jesus, which mattered more than anything else.

00:24:38.220 And so, you know, my dad has frequent examples of Catholics he had spoken to who he definitely knew had personal relationships with Jesus.

00:24:47.680 But generally speaking, the Catholic Church was perceived of as nominal, like nominalism, where people just went, they didn't really understand where they went.

00:24:56.640 And filled with superstition was the two phrases that were kind of stuck out.

00:25:01.860 Henry VIII may have had something to do with that.

00:25:04.400 Well, for the, the corruption of the Catholic Church in England was started with him, for sure. 0.70

00:25:11.500 But it, the persecution, actually, I should say.

00:25:15.040 But basically, you know, smells and bells was a phrase that frequently stuck around in my head from when I was growing up, because that was how the Catholic Church was perceived.

00:25:24.040 But for me, in part, there was kind of a numbers component to it.

00:25:30.880 And this is just something which I think is how my brain works.

00:25:33.800 But I didn't really understand how we could be saying that before 1517, we just had this big kind of black hole of Christianity from the time of the apostles until Luther crops up.

00:25:48.200 And so for me, that was like, OK, well, what's going on?

00:25:50.540 Like, there must be some living faith in this 1500 year window, even if you want to call it like a 1200 year, 1300 year window, because for the first 200 years, you have the kind of apostolic age.

00:26:02.040 So, you know, what's going on in that period?

00:26:04.900 And for me, that was like, well, we're not just going to write off this entire period of history.

00:26:09.160 And I'm also I do like to challenge ideas and concepts and just figure out what's going on.

00:26:15.160 And for me, I was like, OK, well, you've got doctors of the church.

00:26:19.640 You've got some of the greatest minds ever, like Thomas Aquinas ever in human history, who occupy this period, as well as countless popes who whose writings have been imbibed and kind of consumed by Western civilization since.

00:26:36.980 So what's happening with these guys? Like, are they Christians? Are they not Christians? 0.54

00:26:41.920 And so that was really kind of where it began for me.

00:26:44.520 That was the early church. The first 700 years was what I then went on to study.

00:26:51.200 But that was kind of really where I began my inquiry was like, this doesn't make any sense.

00:26:56.180 I just don't believe that there are no Christians here.

00:26:58.280 So let's figure out what's going on.

00:27:01.300 And so that was kind of where I started.

00:27:03.040 And I had this great priest at school who was actually an Anglican priest, but he ended up becoming a Catholic as well.

00:27:10.780 But he was very good at rebutting many of the preconceived ideas that I had about Catholicism.

00:27:18.940 And so he started to really kind of challenge me on a lot of my positions.

00:27:22.960 And that was kind of where it all began.

00:27:24.660 Okay. Was there a singular moment that you can recall in your mind where you went, this is it, I'm going to, I'm actually going to convert to the Catholic faith?

00:27:33.780 Hmm.

00:27:34.720 I wouldn't say, not really, no.

00:27:36.920 I mean, there was a moment, I remember the first time that I went into a Catholic church with the, there were two, I guess there were two moments probably.

00:27:49.520 There was once where I was in a Dominican monastery in Croatia, where I very much felt that there was a calling, you know, it was in some ways it was, I know this is a weird thing to say, but it was kind of the silence of the place.

00:28:07.820 You know, I just felt, you know, I just felt, I'm drawn to silence, I think you know that.

00:28:13.540 But I, I, I, I like the silence.

00:28:17.940 I like the reflection time.

00:28:19.240 It's like the early church fathers who were the desert fathers have always had an appeal to me because they, they wanted to lead this contemplative life studying the Lord, like in silence.

00:28:31.440 And so for me, it was something about the silence of this church, which I just found very kind of inspiring, overwhelming in some ways.

00:28:40.140 So that was one, that was one moment.

00:28:41.900 I think I was about, I must've been about 15 or 16 at that time.

00:28:45.980 And then there was another moment, which was the first time that I went into a church and that was in London, Westminster Cathedral.

00:28:50.860 And I sat at the back and I prayed a rosary for the first time in my life.

00:28:56.280 And I didn't really know what I was doing, but I, I, I just wanted to make that first step.

00:29:01.440 And then when I did that, I, and I played before, prayed before the blessed sacrament, which was also a huge kind of, for me, that was something which I had really begun to appreciate.

00:29:10.200 Like, this is, this, this is Christ.

00:29:12.260 This is not just bread.

00:29:13.500 This is Christ.

00:29:14.640 Hmm.

00:29:15.340 Hmm.

00:29:16.000 And it was not an easy thing to tell your parents.

00:29:18.520 In fact, you didn't.

00:29:19.340 I didn't.

00:29:19.940 That's right.

00:29:20.380 Most, most kids are like hiding drugs from their parents.

00:29:22.960 You're hiding a rosary from your parents.

00:29:25.200 This was like, I was, yeah, I was very nervous about it.

00:29:28.740 Um, and I didn't really know.

00:29:31.660 I was confirmed and then I had, and then I sort of carried on living.

00:29:36.080 And I, it, for me, it was something that I didn't want them to kind of know about, set off with.

00:29:40.880 But why?

00:29:42.700 Because, because my parents were big, big time evangelicals really.

00:29:46.940 And what did you think their reception would be to that?

00:29:49.020 That you were, you kind of wanted to keep the peace, so to speak.

00:29:53.080 Yeah, I did want to keep the peace.

00:29:54.400 Yeah.

00:29:54.960 I guess it was quite cowardly of me now, if I think about it.

00:29:57.360 But it was, I guess I was sort of afraid of one of those kind of medieval reactions of being like, get out of my house.

00:30:06.080 And crying and, you know, I don't know.

00:30:09.100 I, I, I don't know, to be honest, what I thought the reaction would be at the time.

00:30:12.280 I probably, I probably thought it was something going to be something like that.

00:30:14.960 Kind of quite dramatic and, and arguments and explosions and all that kind of stuff.

00:30:21.020 But, um.

00:30:22.040 How did they find out or how did you tell them?

00:30:24.140 I actually don't know how they found out.

00:30:25.860 They, they found out, but they never, but then they confronted me about it and we had a conversation.

00:30:31.680 But they already knew by that point.

00:30:33.100 So, so clearly somebody else had told them.

00:30:35.000 We saw your, we saw your son.

00:30:36.940 Yeah.

00:30:37.320 Walking up the steps to mass.

00:30:38.960 Yeah, exactly.

00:30:39.640 So, um, I think they kind of knew that it was coming because I kept on talking about the Catholic church and I sort of started talking a lot about that.

00:30:48.900 And I was talking more and more and more about it.

00:30:50.860 And I think they kind of figured something was going on.

00:30:54.160 Um, but then when it actually happened, I didn't tell them and then they confronted me about it later on.

00:30:59.480 So now that you're in America and I think a lot of, there's a lot of faith discussion happening now.

00:31:04.100 What would you say your perspective is?

00:31:07.360 Cause this is something that you and I discussed there.

00:31:09.080 There are these slight differences.

00:31:10.600 It's kind of difficult to speak to regarding the way that certain topics emerge in the UK and certain topics emerge in America.

00:31:19.260 Like we are brother and sister, but there are some differences.

00:31:22.380 You know what I mean?

00:31:23.160 And one of the things that I had kind of spoken to you about was even evangelicalism faith is so different.

00:31:28.060 Like when I think of your parents who are evangelicals compared to evangelicals in America, it just feels different.

00:31:35.420 You know, it just feels very different.

00:31:36.760 So what would you say are some of the differences that you can speak to in, I guess, whether it's religion, faith or another topic, um, when it comes to politics across the pond, as opposed to here on a variety of subjects, abortion, faith.

00:31:50.180 Yeah, I mean, faith obviously is one that I've spoken about already.

00:31:56.640 I mean, abortion is something which is an interesting one because again, abortion is not really discussed in the UK.

00:32:04.100 It's kind of a settled topic, um, which over here it is very much not.

00:32:10.060 I mean, the funny part is, is that the perspective of many Brits to America and, you know, I'm sure there'll be people in the comments who will be like, I'm British and I disagree with you on this.

00:32:19.000 But generally speaking, the perspective of Britain is that America is kind of a bit crazy, you know, and, and Europe as a whole, Europeans tend to, you know, and I don't agree with this, but this is often the way they tend to look down their noses quite a bit at American culture. 0.88

00:32:36.600 Like, um, Europeans think of themselves as quite highfalutin, you know, and they're kind of like, you know, sort of Americans are crazy Americans. 0.55

00:32:45.200 Um, but of course, really what that actually is a reflection of is the freedom of the intellectual mind, right?

00:32:51.460 And actually the reason that they say it's crazy is because Americans have this great inquisitive attitude to things.

00:32:58.040 They don't accept standard norms.

00:33:00.060 They are willing to challenge and that confrontational attitude then reflects itself in the way that they debate topics.

00:33:07.140 So abortion, like take that as an example, Americans are not willing to just those who are pro-life and even those who are pro-choice, neither side are just willing to accept the standardized norm.

00:33:19.820 They are, they are prepared to fight for whatever they believe.

00:33:23.900 And that is the same on other topics such as vaccines, for example, which I know is something that you and I talked about when we first got married.

00:33:30.160 But, you know, in Britain, the vaccine schedule is just accepted by everybody and nobody really talks about it.

00:33:36.020 It's, you know, I think I, I give the illustration that when we first got married, you sort of asked what I thought about it.

00:33:40.320 And I, my answer was kind of like, well, it's the same as sort of what I think about Tuesdays, you know, just as I go, it happens.

00:33:46.380 I mean, who cares kind of thing.

00:33:47.960 And over time, you know, obviously you and I have talked extensively about these and, and that's changed my mind about a lot of things.

00:33:55.260 But also it's, it's been very interesting to see how Americans fight for this particular topic.

00:34:02.980 Something that will be a tab, start as a taboo, then become a mainstream discussion in America.

00:34:07.220 Yeah.

00:34:07.440 And that's just thanks to Americans being willing to confront it.

00:34:10.320 And that is a great example because, I mean, I always knew I was not going to vaccinate my children.

00:34:15.160 I was always adverse to vaccines, but.

00:34:18.420 But you let me down the garden.

00:34:19.720 But I let you, yes, exactly.

00:34:20.920 I was like, what do you think about.

00:34:22.800 You were like, what do you think about this?

00:34:23.960 And you're like, I was like, I don't know any cat.

00:34:25.880 I was, what's the, what's the big deal?

00:34:27.240 And then I was like, hey, check this out.

00:34:30.060 Hey, check this out.

00:34:31.260 And then I think you were quite surprised by a lot of the research that I come upon.

00:34:35.540 But it's so interesting because that was, what, five, six years ago.

00:34:38.640 And now we're looking at an America where make America healthy again is mainstream.

00:34:44.160 R.F.K. Jr. is speaking about vaccines.

00:34:45.960 He was really the only resource that I had when I kind of began my journey.

00:34:49.160 And I can host a successful podcast talking about vaccines.

00:34:52.840 And so it is interesting because you are correct.

00:34:56.680 People do and sometimes rightfully stick down their noses to American culture because there

00:35:00.440 are some aspects that we contribute.

00:35:01.880 I mean, we gave the world to Kardashians, right?

00:35:03.880 We've got to, you know, sort of, there's definitely a downside to American culture.

00:35:09.160 But you're correct in that the upside is that when we establish these norms, they're not

00:35:15.580 necessarily established.

00:35:17.280 We will, we're willing to then say, wait a second, what are we doing?

00:35:20.260 Why are we doing this?

00:35:21.480 Let's revisit this.

00:35:22.680 And we're willing to have the confrontation.

00:35:24.680 Like, in a way, we're still the colonists.

00:35:28.920 Yeah, you're still willing to fight and be aggressive, which is, and that's, but, you

00:35:33.480 know, the worst thing is apathy.

00:35:34.920 I mean, that's kind of the whole point, right?

00:35:36.700 It's like, that's how Europe feels.

00:35:38.020 It feels apathetic and lethargic and stagnant.

00:35:40.320 And it's like, you, you come over here and people are willing to fight.

00:35:44.500 They're willing to stand up for what they believe in, you know, whether it's the second

00:35:47.080 amendment through to the rate of tax, through to the department of government deficiency,

00:35:53.120 because they want to cut federal waste or vaccines or immigration or whatever it might

00:35:59.800 be.

00:36:00.060 People are willing to just fight for what they believe in, which is so refreshing.

00:36:03.660 And that is, that is the greatest difference between Europe and between the UK, because

00:36:11.520 as I said, in the UK, there is this kind of, it's, it's just a, it's like a malaise.

00:36:17.280 It's a malaise of the mind.

00:36:18.840 You know, it's a malaise where people go, ah, you know, life's kind of okay.

00:36:23.060 And, you know, we're fine and we're just plodding along and all this kind of stuff.

00:36:27.020 And it's, it's an unwillingness to better oneself or to improve the world in a better position.

00:36:33.280 And that's a terrifying place because then you just become subject to all kinds of tyranny.

00:36:38.940 Yeah, absolutely.

00:36:39.800 And I think it's probably quite challenging because I always think of the other side.

00:36:45.080 Like I, my brain sort of naturally goes, okay, if it's being presented to me as the mainstream

00:36:49.140 acceptable position, I want to see what the unacceptable position is and see where I land

00:36:53.740 on various topics.

00:36:55.520 And unfortunately for you, because I have this huge platform and I say what I think, people

00:37:00.280 assume that it must mean that that's exactly what you think.

00:37:02.340 But I'm kind of thinking out loud most of the time.

00:37:05.840 I'm going, okay, this is a new topic.

00:37:07.320 I'm not sure I think about it.

00:37:09.020 And that must have an impact on your life because people just assume that we agree on

00:37:15.420 everything and we don't agree on everything.

00:37:18.040 We don't agree on everything.

00:37:19.100 So what are, we, yeah, of course we don't.

00:37:23.260 Of course we don't.

00:37:23.960 And I think that's something people are very interested in is how do we navigate that?

00:37:28.900 Because I don't really think we think about how to navigate that, but it is a big thing

00:37:33.320 that my, my positions kind of become the family position on things because people just assume

00:37:39.040 that this must be what you think.

00:37:40.680 Like, yeah, I mean, I think my answer to that, when people have confronted me about this person

00:37:49.080 is always like, well, do you agree with everything your wife says?

00:37:52.220 Or do you agree with everything your husband says?

00:37:53.800 I mean, it would be weird if everyone thought with a hive mind because it would just become

00:37:58.320 the de facto.

00:37:58.960 Like that's weird.

00:38:02.320 That, that, that implies that you share a, an absolute belief in everything, right?

00:38:08.640 Which is very odd.

00:38:10.000 Um, and I've never met anyone who has had that.

00:38:13.600 So I think that what we agree on because the individual topics themselves are highly nuanced

00:38:20.020 and quite difficult to always reach conclusions on.

00:38:22.220 But I think what we agree on is the process.

00:38:24.420 And I think that that actually is more important than almost the end result.

00:38:28.960 Because the process that we, that you and I have is one of a dialectic and it's one of

00:38:35.440 a discussion, a process where we challenge each other on what we perceive to be.

00:38:40.320 Well, there is truth.

00:38:41.660 We know that there is truth.

00:38:42.900 We know that Jesus Christ is the son of God and that is truth.

00:38:45.320 And here's a transcendental, um, truth is a transcendental.

00:38:49.320 But the point being is that beyond that truth, how does that truth reflect itself in the world

00:38:53.540 that we live in?

00:38:54.280 And that then becomes the process, the hermeneutic, if you want to call it that, through which we

00:39:00.440 then try and establish other truth.

00:39:02.400 And we don't always reach the same conclusions.

00:39:04.660 Now, there are certain areas where like, it would be very weird if we didn't.

00:39:08.640 Like we both obviously agree that, you know, abortion is wrong. 0.64

00:39:12.580 And we both agree that the transgender lobby is far too powerful and, you know, is, is 1.00

00:39:18.640 seeking malevolent aims and all these kinds of things.

00:39:21.740 There are plenty of areas where we obviously do reach the same conclusion, but there are

00:39:24.680 other areas we don't.

00:39:25.760 And that's fine.

00:39:27.400 And, and also it's a process which like, I've changed my opinions about lots of things over

00:39:34.900 the past few years.

00:39:35.960 I became a Catholic.

00:39:36.780 Exactly.

00:39:37.120 Yeah, it is, it is a willingness to migrate our positions and to realize that we were

00:39:41.240 wrong.

00:39:41.560 I think that is unique, but I, I don't appreciate until people ask me about it, how fortunate

00:39:48.040 we are to be in a relationship where we don't argue about people just assume like, oh my

00:39:52.240 gosh, you must be arguing all the time about all of these things.

00:39:54.160 And it's like, no, I think we're both too interested.

00:39:57.000 And in the same way that I definitively thought I had all of the traditional, the mainline

00:40:04.660 perspectives about the Catholic faith, worship, Mary, blah, blah, blah.

00:40:08.040 But I was too interested to just shut that down when I saw the way that it was moving

00:40:11.660 in your life because you became increasingly more pious after we got married, which is really

00:40:16.780 interesting.

00:40:17.200 And we should, we should speak about that a bit, but you did.

00:40:19.800 I mean, you were, you are not, you are not the same person that I married.

00:40:23.020 And I say that as a tremendous compliment, even though I thought you were perfect the

00:40:26.780 day that we got married, I now look back and I'm like, wow, to see how much faith has

00:40:31.460 moved you.

00:40:32.240 When I say to people, I was so interested, I'm too interested to just go, okay, well,

00:40:38.500 he's just dabbling in a heresy, you know what I mean?

00:40:41.420 Or, you know, he's just worshiping Mary.

00:40:43.540 And I think society has grown so accustomed to being dismissive, whether you want to say,

00:40:50.020 well, this person's a conservative, therefore they're racist.

00:40:51.920 You know, if this person doesn't want to vote for Kamala, therefore they're a sexist.

00:40:55.480 You know, this person has this perspective, therefore they're antisemitic, whatever the

00:40:59.220 name is of transphobe of the day.

00:41:02.300 I'm too curious.

00:41:03.540 I'm too curious when I see something, people moving in a certain direction.

00:41:06.740 I want to, I want to follow them.

00:41:07.980 Even if I find out that I don't agree, I want to see where they're going.

00:41:11.800 And I think that is kind of what makes us such a unique partnership is that we're genuinely

00:41:16.860 curious.

00:41:17.460 Going back to that movement in your life.

00:41:21.540 So you were a Catholic when we got married, you were not an active Catholic when we got

00:41:26.920 married.

00:41:27.380 And now I would say you are an overactive Catholic. 0.87

00:41:30.240 You are about as Catholic as it comes. 1.00

00:41:32.840 You attend the mass multiple times a week, morning mass.

00:41:40.660 You go to confession every week.

00:41:43.620 What was it in your life that pulled you in that direction?

00:41:47.540 Because I don't even, I still don't really comprehend it.

00:41:51.900 It was because you had to pray for me.

00:41:53.380 I was just overwhelmed with the inbound traffic that we had.

00:41:59.240 I was just like, Lord, please help me deal with this crazy woman that I'm married to. 1.00

00:42:05.420 No, I'm joking. 0.88

00:42:06.440 Of course it was.

00:42:08.100 Okay.

00:42:08.500 I, I, C.S.

00:42:10.400 Lewis writes that how absurd it is to think that the lost sheep can find the shepherd, you

00:42:15.360 know, and, um, the shepherd has to come and find the lost sheep.

00:42:19.760 That's not to say that I was fully lost.

00:42:21.640 I think I had probably emerged from my lost years.

00:42:24.020 I did have lost years in my twenties.

00:42:25.800 There was no doubt about it where I had no faith life, so to speak.

00:42:29.700 I mean, I maintained a, a comatosed heartbeat relationship with, with Christ, um, in as much

00:42:38.520 as I infrequently attended church.

00:42:41.080 I prayed infrequently.

00:42:42.260 I talked about God.

00:42:43.660 I would have said that I was a Christian, but I was like very weak in my faith.

00:42:47.620 Um, and you know, really for me, I think there were, there was, I mean, there were so many

00:42:56.520 things which kind of pulled me in that direction when we got married and I started, I mean,

00:43:01.100 I think that the whole process of how we met and how we got married and all that kind of

00:43:05.900 stuff was, it was a miracle.

00:43:08.720 Like I, I, I said that to you many times in those first six months, I was like, this is

00:43:14.540 a miracle.

00:43:15.500 There is just a, there is too much providential alignment here for me to unpack this all.

00:43:24.240 I was kind of overwhelmed with it at the time.

00:43:26.480 It was something which I just thought was beyond my comprehension.

00:43:31.520 Like I, I could, there were so many things that, I mean, even now when I think about

00:43:35.980 it, I mean, now the kind of mystery has faded.

00:43:38.160 So the surprise is less than it was at the time, but there were things like going back

00:43:42.740 into decades ago where I could suddenly see having met you that this had been the steps

00:43:50.800 that God had put me on to get to this place in my life.

00:43:54.780 You know, even the fact that like, you know, I mean, I had a U S visa and like all this kind 1.00

00:44:00.740 of, I mean, it was just, it was, it was crazy, you know, at the time, like what, what I unpacked

00:44:06.220 in that, in that, uh, in those six months and just sort of how I thought about the world

00:44:10.520 after that.

00:44:12.020 Um, that was definitely something where I felt the presence of God.

00:44:16.200 Um, and then there was a recognition, I guess, that the political debates we were in, I mean,

00:44:27.060 there were many things, but the political debates we were in required truth, you know, and that

00:44:32.280 is something where I still to this day, I think that if you're a conservative and, or you call

00:44:43.240 yourself a conservative, and that's even that word is kind of just a bit meaningless in some

00:44:49.760 ways, but if you want to call yourself a conservative on the American right, you have to say, well,

00:44:56.680 what are we seeking to conserve?

00:44:58.180 And you have to say, well, what is fundamentally at the heart of everything that we believe in

00:45:04.240 America or even in the West, in the world, what is, what is the truth that we are aiming

00:45:10.040 for? And particularly when you get to these kind of radical fringes of politics, where

00:45:16.140 you're talking about, you know, the ability of men and women to change their genders or

00:45:23.120 even the LGBT lobby or whatever it might be, like whatever it is, whatever these topics

00:45:28.220 are, you start to realize that truth itself is breaking down into like nothing.

00:45:35.540 It's just being destroyed.

00:45:36.700 Truth is being slowly chipped away at until the kernel of truth is so small that it's so

00:45:42.160 difficult for people to find in those debates.

00:45:45.140 So you have to start, okay, well, where's the starting point?

00:45:49.180 Like what, what do we go back to?

00:45:51.200 What is the very heartbeat of truth?

00:45:53.840 And the heartbeat of truth has to be absolute.

00:45:56.280 It has to be an objective reality.

00:45:58.760 And the objective reality for truth is Christ.

00:46:02.440 And for me, I started realizing that the more and more I, more I talked about politics or

00:46:10.800 the more we were involved in politics or the more I saw witness politics, the more I realized

00:46:16.380 that truth was absence, like truth was absent from those debates.

00:46:20.640 And so for me, I was like, okay, well, we need, I need to discover what truth is again.

00:46:23.960 And I need to reform a relationship with that 15 year old boy inside of me who was really

00:46:31.680 fascinated by theology.

00:46:34.140 And for me, that was kind of, I was like, okay, this is the big missing part of my life.

00:46:38.040 Like this is where I, I don't really have a relationship with God.

00:46:41.380 Like I used to, when I was a teenager and in my very early twenties.

00:46:45.700 So that was what drew me back.

00:46:47.960 I was like, I need to discover what truth is again.

00:46:49.980 And then that was the kind of the first stepping stone.

00:46:52.940 And then it became very apparent to me that re-engagement with my faith was something which

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00:47:50.220 How has fatherhood played a role in that?

00:47:52.960 If fatherhood has played a role in that, becoming a father is a very big sea change, I think,

00:47:58.420 for all men.

00:47:59.420 Is it?

00:48:00.200 I don't know.

00:48:01.060 Maybe some men are like, no, actually.

00:48:02.800 No, it is.

00:48:03.760 I mean, yeah, being a dad is huge.

00:48:06.240 I mean, you want the best for your children, you know?

00:48:09.100 And so I want, you know, I love my children.

00:48:12.340 I mean, there are so many ways that fatherhood changes you.

00:48:14.440 I mean, being a father both motivates you to be the best dad you can be.

00:48:20.260 It motivates you to stay alive, which is a funny thing to say.

00:48:25.320 You become very aware.

00:48:26.420 I became very aware within moments, within months of our first child being born of my

00:48:32.020 own mortality.

00:48:32.660 I suddenly became very aware of, like, I'm going to die.

00:48:37.320 And in a non-morbid way, I think about death a lot.

00:48:42.300 And that is because I think our world has lost the perception of death.

00:48:48.260 We do everything to try and avoid talking about death.

00:48:51.500 We don't want to cover the topic.

00:48:54.840 And death is perceived of as this great, like, we mustn't talk about death.

00:48:59.960 Like, we must avoid death.

00:49:01.160 And even everything we do is kind of like in the constant culture of trying to extend life.

00:49:07.100 Like, plastic surgery is trying to make yourself look beautiful because you are denying the

00:49:12.040 aging process, you know?

00:49:13.420 And even now, when we are inevitably going to die, we must be in control of that process

00:49:21.560 through euthanasia.

00:49:22.800 Like, the UK has just voted through this assisted dying bill, which is a complete abomination.

00:49:28.760 But this is how we are now perceiving death.

00:49:32.160 We, like, have to control this process.

00:49:34.660 And so natural death is totally pushed to one side.

00:49:39.300 But when I became a father, I suddenly realized that I was like, okay, I'm going to die.

00:49:43.820 And that's just going to happen.

00:49:46.720 And I need to sort out my relationship with God.

00:49:49.520 And I need to be aligned with him.

00:49:51.640 And not just be aligned with him, but I need to promote Christ in this world.

00:49:56.480 And I need to promote Christ to my children.

00:49:58.620 And I want them to be raised in the faith.

00:50:00.600 So I want them to have the best relationship with God, because that's the ultimate gift that

00:50:04.760 I can give them.

00:50:05.460 More so than money.

00:50:06.600 More so than anything else.

00:50:08.440 Like, you know, stability is good.

00:50:11.000 Of course, it should be sought.

00:50:12.100 But there are plenty of children who don't grow up in stable homes who I would still wish

00:50:17.080 the same for them, that they know the truth of Jesus Christ.

00:50:20.520 I would think when you have an active, at least it's been the case for me, like when you have

00:50:24.400 an active spiritual life, I now kind of observe my past political perspectives as quite adolescent

00:50:30.200 in a way, like I look at me going around college campuses and speaking about these issues, having

00:50:36.280 removed Christ from the conversation, or if I'm, you know, saying Christ on stage, it's

00:50:40.920 not, it's not with the, not with the fullness of truth, I guess is the best way to say it.

00:50:47.100 It's more kind of like a political talking point and truly believing at that time that I had

00:50:52.200 landed on truth.

00:50:53.020 And I'm like the lowercase truth of, well, the left, the left hates family, you know,

00:50:58.300 oh, the left hates social cohesion.

00:51:01.680 Oh, the left loves, you know, racism because of this or that.

00:51:04.520 Oh, the left, feminism, this. 1.00

00:51:06.360 And then when you really arrive at the full picture, you're going, this is not a war against

00:51:10.040 Trump.

00:51:10.420 This is not a war against conservatives.

00:51:11.480 It's always been a war against Christ.

00:51:14.540 Nothing has changed.

00:51:15.720 And to come to that understanding, it's been so refreshing and calming in a way where I

00:51:23.740 don't crave politics.

00:51:25.300 I talk about this with you often.

00:51:26.700 I don't crave politics in the way that I used to crave it.

00:51:29.820 And I think for a lot of people, politics does become a drug.

00:51:34.220 They're addicted to the high life of politics, like being in the room, meeting people, and

00:51:37.960 then you get into these rooms and people are drunks and addicts and people are sleeping

00:51:42.000 with each other.

00:51:43.000 And that's such a letdown.

00:51:44.400 It's such a letdown because you want to believe that you're really fighting for a sense of

00:51:49.640 morality.

00:51:50.320 But it's only a letdown, I think, if you don't have a spiritual life and you don't have the

00:51:56.680 perspective, a clarifying perspective that, you know, in the end, Christ wins.

00:52:01.520 I think that that's really been something that has changed in me since you've sort of, you

00:52:08.120 know, changed my world in terms of spiritualism.

00:52:11.280 I mean, I think, I mean, I think I would just to build on that Christ has won, you know,

00:52:20.960 it's not that he wins and he's already won.

00:52:23.620 And, and, and what that means is, but the Bible is very clear about this.

00:52:28.720 And actually the church has taught the same thing for ages, which is that this world,

00:52:33.380 the devil is called the prince of this world.

00:52:36.020 It's his domain, right?

00:52:37.520 In many ways, the world is his domain.

00:52:40.640 And so in many ways, the armies of Christ are actually, we are the aliens here.

00:52:46.000 And the Bible is kind of very clear about this.

00:52:48.160 We are the aliens in this world because we are the people who are living a totally different

00:52:53.260 life to the majority of the world.

00:52:55.260 Like Christianity has always been a religion on the outside. 0.86

00:52:57.180 Yes, it became, it had its great kind of medieval heyday where it became the dominant,

00:53:03.240 you know, temporal force, if you want to call it that.

00:53:07.940 But of course, what happened during that time, like the church was infected with secularism

00:53:11.520 as well.

00:53:11.900 Like, you know, there was much, there was corruption in it and there was, you know, the seeking

00:53:15.980 of power.

00:53:16.920 And, you know, there were many, there were many problems with it, but, you know, really Christians 1.00

00:53:21.500 live as outsiders in this world.

00:53:22.980 Like our home is not this world.

00:53:24.240 Our home is the world to come.

00:53:26.320 And so, you know, when you look at it from that perspective, you just say, okay, well,

00:53:30.560 what's really going on?

00:53:31.860 Like the devil is fighting with everything that he has to destroy all good things in

00:53:38.840 this world.

00:53:39.520 That is what he is seeking to do at all times.

00:53:42.500 And he never takes a day off.

00:53:43.920 You know, it's like, you never get a day off.

00:53:47.680 You are always vulnerable.

00:53:49.940 You know, there's always this constant awareness.

00:53:53.380 Like if I've learned one thing of being a Christian, it's that prayer is like oxygen.

00:53:59.860 It is as needed on a daily basis as it is needed, you know, like oxygen or food, you know, you

00:54:08.120 need it every day because the devil certainly doesn't care whether it's Tuesday and you're

00:54:14.260 having the best day of your life or whether it's, you know, the day your father dies, it

00:54:19.780 doesn't make a difference.

00:54:21.020 It it's the same battle.

00:54:23.300 He will be there always seeking to destroy you.

00:54:26.740 And so that for me is just something where I'm like politics, forget it.

00:54:30.600 I mean, like politics is, it is tertiary.

00:54:33.380 I mean, Andrew Breitbart famously said that, you know, politics is downstream of culture.

00:54:39.780 And I would add that culture is downstream of faith because at the heart of whether it's

00:54:46.380 conflict, global conflict, societal change, the rise and fall of ideologies that, and this

00:54:54.160 segues back into what we talked about at the beginning, the, the understanding of faith,

00:54:58.620 the understanding of theology, like, why was I interested in this?

00:55:01.400 Because at the heart of everything is faith.

00:55:03.820 And it's something which is like very misunderstood because the whole of our, the whole of our

00:55:09.340 economic system is built off rationality.

00:55:11.080 It's built off humans making rational choices at all times, right?

00:55:14.560 That's kind of our entire economic model is based off rational choices, but humans make

00:55:19.280 what would be perceived of in economic terms as irrational choices the whole time.

00:55:24.920 Like, it's not good necessarily.

00:55:28.840 You could argue that it was, but there's a, there's a strong economic argument to say,

00:55:32.620 it's not good to give money away, right?

00:55:34.560 Why would you do that?

00:55:35.560 You've earned all this value.

00:55:37.040 You should accrue it to yourself.

00:55:38.940 But Christianity teaches and proposes that you should do that, right? 0.88

00:55:45.720 And actually that you should turn outwards and not just look inwards.

00:55:50.160 Um, and actually, of course, when you start doing that, the rewards do flow because then

00:55:55.340 you will become blessed beyond your, beyond measure.

00:55:57.840 You know, it's like the, you give things away.

00:55:59.520 The Lord gives more to you.

00:56:01.540 Second to the Bible. 0.92

00:56:02.680 What is your favorite book?

00:56:05.340 That's a hard one.

00:56:06.540 It is.

00:56:07.640 All right.

00:56:07.900 Give me three.

00:56:08.820 Blackout by Candace Owens.

00:56:09.960 That was the right answer.

00:56:10.900 I love.

00:56:11.040 Here we go.

00:56:14.300 Well done you.

00:56:15.720 Thank you.

00:56:16.100 I was being tested.

00:56:17.780 Um, you know, that's a really good question.

00:56:20.080 I know one of them.

00:56:21.400 Well, I guess if I was to say, you know, one that has had served the most impact in your

00:56:25.660 life, I would say, you always tell me, I hope I'm right.

00:56:30.760 Was that shrugged by Anne-Rent?

00:56:31.080 Yes.

00:56:31.420 Okay.

00:56:31.620 I was going to say Anne-Rent. 1.00

00:56:32.340 Okay.

00:56:32.660 Yeah.

00:56:33.020 So, but it's funny because that book, that book was very transformative in my early twenties.

00:56:41.300 Um, and when I was a young man, it was huge to me.

00:56:45.280 You know, when I read Outla Shrugged, I was, I was so overwhelmed by the diagnosis that it

00:56:52.140 provided on our society.

00:56:53.520 And, but Anne-Rent, you know, she is a very complicated character. 0.96

00:56:59.300 She's not somebody that now I would say I am like, I'd want to be affiliated with because

00:57:05.340 she's vehemently anti-faith.

00:57:07.440 She's vehemently anti the church.

00:57:09.580 She perceives of the church as superstition.

00:57:12.220 But are you able to separate the author from their work?

00:57:16.020 Well, the work itself, which is a very deep question, by the way, philosophically speaking,

00:57:19.740 people ask us about movies.

00:57:20.820 Can you separate the artists from their work?

00:57:23.080 Yeah.

00:57:23.320 The work itself, there are, there are, there are shadows within the work itself, which

00:57:30.340 I would still want to say are relevant.

00:57:33.280 Like from an economic perspective, I think that Outla Shrugged provides a very apt synopsis

00:57:40.360 of much of what the Western world is going through.

00:57:42.720 It is going through a period of like internal cannibalization, right?

00:57:47.340 We are cannibalizing ourselves from the inside.

00:57:49.200 We don't, we are not faced currently in America or the West.

00:57:53.020 Okay.

00:57:53.320 You could say like we have, you know, proxy global conflicts going on, but part those to

00:57:57.620 one side, we don't suffer currently a external threat militarily.

00:58:03.280 Or ideologically, which is going to crush us, right?

00:58:06.780 Um, it's not like communism.

00:58:08.720 And of course, what Ayn Rand was writing and I've read, and I've read pretty much every

00:58:13.420 book, every Ayn Rand wrote, but you know, she, she wrote extensively about communism and

00:58:19.640 that was the threat at the time.

00:58:21.180 And so economically, I agree with a lot of her analysis.

00:58:23.960 Like she is right on the money economically.

00:58:26.480 There's no doubt about it.

00:58:27.740 But the sad part about what she does is that she also throws into the same diagnosis.

00:58:33.280 And so if you read out of Shrugged, you will, even though she doesn't, and I'm sure there'll

00:58:40.120 be someone who'll fact check me on this and say, well, on page 572, she does.

00:58:43.700 But you know, she, I don't recall within the book, she doesn't actually name the church

00:58:50.220 or name religion.

00:58:51.980 She just paints a board. 0.95

00:58:52.780 She calls it superstition, right?

00:58:55.220 Because her principle, her principle motivation is the I, right? 0.85

00:58:59.320 And that is, she's talking about the I and how I should come first.

00:59:03.280 She basically promotes the theory of selfish, like selfish motivation.

00:59:09.000 And, and, and from an economic perspective, the West has fallen so far from that, where

00:59:15.020 we're leeching from people we take from people who create things, we destroy wealth.

00:59:19.900 We are intent on making misery, right?

00:59:22.060 Our governments are determined on taxing and suppressing the creation of wealth.

00:59:27.420 Um, and from that perspective, I would agree with her, but I would not say that I would

00:59:34.300 not align myself with, I would definitely not at the age of 34 align myself now with where

00:59:38.960 I believed that I was when I was like 22, right?

00:59:43.040 I read the book in three weeks.

00:59:44.300 So I stand corrected then.

00:59:46.220 What would you say now is your, maybe not favorite book, most transformative book.

00:59:51.160 Like if you were saying, these are the books that you should definitely read, put on your

00:59:53.860 list.

00:59:54.560 Our books are so different, by the way.

00:59:56.060 It's so funny.

00:59:56.660 If we both supply our list, they'd be like, what is going on in this household?

01:00:02.420 Gosh, that's a really good question.

01:00:03.900 Um, oh, I.

01:00:08.960 I'd probably have to think about that.

01:00:10.980 I mean, well, you do read, I do recall morning, you read three books and obviously this is

01:00:18.040 again, attributing to your spiritual life, but obviously the Bible, you read quotations

01:00:23.720 from CS Lewis, maybe there's a CS Lewis book in there that you might recommend, just giving

01:00:27.640 you ideas here.

01:00:28.200 And then you read which Pope Pius, no Pope Benedict the 16th, Benedict the 16th.

01:00:33.680 I read a daily reader from those two, those two guys, um, those two guys, the Pope.

01:00:38.500 And CS Lewis, um, I do read a daily reader from those, from those two because they are

01:00:44.340 treasures of wisdom.

01:00:46.960 Um, now do they have a specific book like CS Lewis, mere Christianity, obviously, which

01:00:52.260 has seemed to undergo quite a popular resurgence.

01:00:55.620 Um, Russell Brand, for example, uh, Cupid in our story.

01:01:00.880 Um, he, he, um, he did a book club on it recently, uh, which I thought was, you know, very, really

01:01:09.240 love the idea of Russell Brand as Cupid.

01:01:11.000 Um, but then on top of that, I would say like, there are really interesting books that I've

01:01:19.580 read in, um, the last few years, which I've, I find to be very interesting on like totally

01:01:25.680 different topics.

01:01:26.240 I mean, I would say the rise and triumph of the modern self, which, um, was written by

01:01:31.920 a professor called Carl Truman, I think, which I read last year was a really, really interesting

01:01:38.620 analysis on, um, how we have ended up.

01:01:43.760 It's basically this, it's basically the politics of sexuality and it's been a fascinating book

01:01:50.300 in, it was a fascinating book just to, because to the untrained mind you get here and you get

01:01:55.700 to 2024 and you're like, what on earth went wrong?

01:02:00.080 Like, where did we go wrong?

01:02:01.900 What has happened?

01:02:02.880 Like, how have we ended up just talking about this and what he does a really amazing job

01:02:07.380 of.

01:02:07.620 And it probably was the most, it was just the most interesting book that I've read in

01:02:11.460 the last five years probably, but it was, well, maybe not the last five years, but definitely

01:02:14.640 the last couple of years it's, it's, it, it weaves the thread of how we started talking

01:02:23.020 about, you know, the romantic literature poets and how we ended up at transgender.

01:02:28.040 And it's basically saying that, you know, you have this kind of like fine thread, which

01:02:33.240 has been woven all the way through countless like generations and centuries where the politics

01:02:40.080 of sexuality have become the all it is like, now that is the biggest thing for people.

01:02:46.700 And for them, sexuality is the number one, it, it, it is the new God.

01:02:51.660 Right.

01:02:52.080 And so how do we end up in this place?

01:02:53.680 He does a great, he does a great job in explaining it.

01:02:57.020 I would also say things like other interests, like another great book, which I read in the

01:03:02.440 last five years was the great American gamble, which is a weirdly kind of academic book about

01:03:09.440 America's nuclear policy in the last 70 years.

01:03:15.440 And when I say nuclear, I mean like nuclear weapons.

01:03:18.260 And it really demonstrated to me that, and in some ways this goes back to what we're saying,

01:03:26.160 the dangers of, um, like conformist thinking, because really what it shows you is that America

01:03:35.400 put itself at a position of unbelievable weakness by doing what it did in the, which was, which

01:03:43.220 was kind of saying, we will have this great policy of mutually assured destruction and

01:03:48.180 mutually assured destruction was a complete nonsense.

01:03:51.400 And actually that it just changed the way I thought about geopolitics.

01:03:57.140 It changed the way I thought about defense.

01:03:58.680 It changed the way I think about America's role in the world.

01:04:02.220 And so that was another fascinating book.

01:04:04.820 Like, you know, there are so many, I mean, you know, you can name so many Thucydides is

01:04:09.740 a great read too, if you're into ancient history.

01:04:11.940 I mean, there are so many great books, which I've read in the last few years, which I would

01:04:14.900 really recommend, but those are just two, which stand out.

01:04:16.880 I would say international liberalism expansion.

01:04:20.540 That's been a bit of a mess.

01:04:21.860 Geopolitically speaking, I don't, I don't understand why we think it's our job to spread

01:04:24.820 democracy and we're never actually spreading democracy.

01:04:27.140 I think when we say spread democracy, it's like code word for dropping bombs, but I won't

01:04:30.500 get too political and ask you aggressive questions.

01:04:33.040 Um, let me ask you what are the hot burning topics, Putin or Zelensky?

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01:05:38.040 Okay, so another question.

01:05:40.080 Obviously, we're coming to the end of this year and it's been a year for the books, for

01:05:45.040 me and you, I would say.

01:05:46.200 We have definitely had a year.

01:05:49.000 Peaceful.

01:05:49.540 Quiet, yeah.

01:05:50.380 Nothing happened.

01:05:52.060 No changes.

01:05:53.260 Everything's been copacetic.

01:05:54.460 Very nice, yeah.

01:05:55.200 But, I mean, I guess people would just want to know what that was like, what this year

01:06:04.460 has been like as somebody who actually had a front row seat to everything.

01:06:08.440 You know, the public always thinks they have a front row seat to everything.

01:06:11.260 It's always either 10 times better or worse behind the scenes, go with worse.

01:06:16.140 And obviously, it was a tremendous shock.

01:06:19.360 Our life shifted.

01:06:20.500 You were just the most brilliant person in the entire world, having to figure out an

01:06:25.020 entire podcast business in the span of, what was it, six weeks where we're back up

01:06:29.020 and running and advertisement business.

01:06:31.580 I always say, like, I'm just the person who talks on the internet.

01:06:35.060 I just like to talk to my friends on the phone.

01:06:36.700 And then you have to go figure out everything else.

01:06:39.140 And so, just sitting from your seat throughout that entire process, change, whatever it is

01:06:45.700 that you want to call it, what did you think about it?

01:06:49.120 What was that like going through it?

01:06:51.440 Well, I'll correct you there.

01:06:52.880 You're the most amazing person.

01:06:53.680 No, you, you are.

01:06:55.000 We can do this a long time.

01:06:55.920 We can do this.

01:06:56.360 I have, I am stubborn.

01:06:58.000 Yes, I know you are.

01:07:00.460 No, but it's a team effort.

01:07:01.780 It's a team effort.

01:07:02.740 That's what, that's what it always is.

01:07:04.180 It's always a team effort.

01:07:05.220 But, but yeah, look, it's been, it was, it was the most challenging year we've ever had

01:07:10.340 for sure in so many ways.

01:07:11.880 And we both know that.

01:07:13.060 Um, I would say that there was a, a big component to just saying to the Lord, like, help, you

01:07:27.520 know, help, just kind of help.

01:07:30.280 How do we do this?

01:07:31.560 Like, how do we do everything?

01:07:32.740 You know, whether it be from, you know, lawsuits to the new business to, um, you know, raising

01:07:41.680 children, uh, son starting school, like, you know, setting up a studio, I mean, just everything

01:07:48.080 that we've done this year.

01:07:49.020 And there's been a lot, and I haven't even mentioned half the things in that, you know,

01:07:52.340 little synopsis there, but it's been really tough.

01:07:56.340 And I would say that it's been, it's been good to do it because, you know, fire does

01:08:03.120 strengthen, like it does strengthen.

01:08:05.420 And I would think, I think that our marriage has definitely got stronger because of it, you

01:08:10.640 know, like, I think I said this when we were at the Catholic identity conference, but

01:08:14.940 like, you know, your, our Tuesdays are not kind of average Tuesdays.

01:08:19.440 Like they're kind of, you know, it's not like waffles or cereal.

01:08:23.700 It's kind of like, yeah, like, what are they going to publish?

01:08:27.680 Okay.

01:08:27.980 We better like do something about this.

01:08:29.700 You know, it's kind of like, it's a, it's just different.

01:08:32.280 And, and that also means that we do just have this kind of constant need to be brutally

01:08:39.220 honest with each other.

01:08:40.640 Um, which I, I really enjoy.

01:08:44.460 And I think that actually in some ways, I know that you've said this, like you were very

01:08:49.420 grateful for being fired.

01:08:50.940 Um, you know, you said in your Thanksgiving message that you were thankful for being fired.

01:08:54.480 And I think like what that did is it for me, like the year of change has been in some ways

01:09:00.520 like ripping off.

01:09:03.060 It's, it's exposed like the rawness, you know, I feel like this year has been very raw.

01:09:08.580 It's been like very brutal to just be like, okay, we're going to get this done and we're

01:09:15.500 going to get this done and we've got to get this done and we just got to do it.

01:09:18.180 And we just got to buckle up and it's going to be painful and it's going to be grim.

01:09:21.220 And we just got to get it done.

01:09:22.760 And we've got three kids and you know, it's like, how, where's the money?

01:09:27.820 And like, it's just, it's been a lot, but in some ways that's, it's built a much better

01:09:35.020 relationship that we now have.

01:09:36.840 Not that our relationship before was, I would say our relationship before was, was like

01:09:40.600 as good as it gets, but now it's kind of like, you know, really battle tested.

01:09:44.760 Yeah.

01:09:45.220 Battle tested.

01:09:46.480 Yeah.

01:09:46.940 And then just, it's been tough, but yeah.

01:09:50.320 And it's one of the things that really surprised me is how well we handled it.

01:09:54.980 You know, I, I, I was, I'm even surprised by it.

01:09:58.040 I'm surprised by how calm you dealt with everything, how you just sort of figured it all out and

01:10:05.380 how it didn't, while it was this massive earthquake in our lives, everywhere around us, most people

01:10:11.140 can just leave their job, uh, doesn't become a trending, a global story.

01:10:15.680 You know what I mean?

01:10:16.780 And it was every person in the entire world having an opinion about you leaving your job

01:10:21.160 is not a normal thing to go through.

01:10:22.800 And yet I would say our home was really the eye of the storm because there is something

01:10:28.340 about adrenaline that does focus you.

01:10:30.440 I think that was, that really is the story of this year is it was the focus that adrenaline

01:10:36.580 can breed where you're, when you have to survive, when your back is against the wall, you just

01:10:41.100 figure it out because you have no other option.

01:10:43.580 And I would have said we had an amazing marriage before, but we had not been battle tested.

01:10:49.300 And I feel so confident now in a way that I, that's why I say it really was a blessing

01:10:53.700 to have been given this challenge.

01:10:55.420 You know, God is even blessing you in times of tremendous challenge to have come out the

01:10:59.960 other side, so unscathed and just stronger in our partnership.

01:11:03.060 And really I attribute the success of the show and everything that's happened to you.

01:11:06.620 Everybody knows that who works here.

01:11:09.200 I'm just a cute face on the internet.

01:11:11.240 Um, uh, speaking about things that I'm interested in taking people through my 26 personalities that

01:11:16.340 you have to deal with every single day.

01:11:17.740 Uh, but it has been amazing.

01:11:20.040 And so, uh, first of all, I just want to thank you for this year.

01:11:24.080 Also want to, I know you hate compliments, very English of him.

01:11:27.520 You cannot thank him.

01:11:28.580 You cannot tell him he looks nice.

01:11:29.820 You can't tell him how amazing he is, but he was the rock through this year.

01:11:34.700 Uh, so much more so than me.

01:11:36.400 And just, he just gave me the confidence to just go ahead and be myself essentially.

01:11:39.600 And I think that's the biggest thing that you can ask for in a marriage.

01:11:42.100 I'm just going to keep complimenting you until you melt into the chair as an Englishman does.

01:11:45.900 Uh, okay.

01:11:48.560 To close this, some fun, some on a topic that is very fun.

01:11:51.780 Okay.

01:11:52.140 Online conspiracies.

01:11:53.260 They are my favorite.

01:11:54.140 Okay.

01:11:54.460 They're amazing.

01:11:55.460 People come up with such amazing things.

01:11:57.200 Do you know that, by the way, chat GBT once gave somebody the answer and then they tagged

01:12:02.120 me and they were like, what ancestry is Georgian?

01:12:05.700 It said George Farmer was a Jew.

01:12:07.760 Like that your family was Jewish, that your father's father was Jewish, which is crazy. 0.99

01:12:11.420 And then I, but the internet is a strange place that if it's on the internet and suddenly

01:12:14.980 people believe it, it's true.

01:12:16.060 So I've got some favorite conspiracies.

01:12:17.860 Okay.

01:12:19.260 One, that your father is a Rothschild, that I'm a Rothschild.

01:12:22.220 It's amazing.

01:12:22.860 Or I'm married into the Rothschild family.

01:12:24.780 Um, that's a good one.

01:12:26.200 Uncle Jacob.

01:12:26.700 Let's just roll with that.

01:12:27.240 I just would like the money.

01:12:28.260 If that is true, I just want it.

01:12:29.840 I want the money.

01:12:30.620 Uncle Jacob Rothschild.

01:12:32.300 It's like, I'm like, where do they go with this stuff?

01:12:34.400 Somebody creates a chart and the next thing you know, they're like, okay, somehow Candace is

01:12:38.840 married into the Rothschild family.

01:12:40.720 I, I honestly, guys, if that was true, you would be the first to know.

01:12:44.420 Uh, the second one.

01:12:45.820 Now, this is a new favorite one that we deal with that my in-laws hate me.

01:12:50.020 Like Christmas, Christmas must be very tricky around the table.

01:12:56.400 Yeah, I know.

01:12:56.960 That's a, that's a big one.

01:12:58.000 I mean, they're all great.

01:12:58.840 This is great.

01:12:59.420 This is a cute girl.

01:12:59.940 I'm like, actually our family, like we just get along really well.

01:13:02.860 And that has been something that has been unique and also been a blessing is how different,

01:13:08.740 I mean, especially I think when I first met your parents, I was freaking out because we

01:13:12.320 come from such different walks of life and I really am from like the wrong side of the

01:13:15.980 tracks, but they were just so gracious.

01:13:18.140 And I think that speaks to obviously the fact that they are Christian and your dad dedicates

01:13:22.520 so much of his life.

01:13:24.240 Uh, he leads his life as a Christian.

01:13:26.120 So much of his work is driven by his faith and what he does, which is really funny because

01:13:30.620 people have turned this into a conspiracy theory.

01:13:32.780 He's in the house of Lords, like dun, dun, dun.

01:13:35.260 And I'm like, have you read what he does in the house of Lords?

01:13:38.500 All he does is work on family policy.

01:13:42.040 He leads with his faith.

01:13:43.620 He's just such a wonderful person.

01:13:44.880 I get very defensive when people try to create a conspiracy theory there.

01:13:48.360 I'm like, go look at what he actually writes and what he does and what he dedicates his life

01:13:52.680 to.

01:13:52.900 And they were so gracious and so accepting of us and of me more than anything, like as someone

01:13:59.160 who they did not know.

01:14:00.620 I should just say for the record that first of all, in answer to the first one, I have

01:14:05.320 no known relations who are Rothschild, as far as I'm aware.

01:14:08.200 Like, I don't know that.

01:14:09.000 But if we are aware, I want to check.

01:14:10.640 But if I find one, I will let people know.

01:14:12.880 Thank you.

01:14:13.520 Number two is that the house of Lords is not like, kind of, I don't know what people think

01:14:19.920 it is.

01:14:20.200 I mean, it is an American thing where they're like the house of Lords.

01:14:22.280 I think people still think that England is an absolute monarchy.

01:14:24.060 I was going to say, I think they think that the king is still the king.

01:14:26.580 And I'm like, do people know that we had a civil war?

01:14:28.860 They don't know how UK government works at all.

01:14:30.960 Yeah, they're like, what is this?

01:14:32.280 Like, we had a civil war.

01:14:33.600 We chopped the head of a king.

01:14:35.360 Like Charles I, he lost his head.

01:14:36.940 We had a republic.

01:14:37.700 We had a commonwealth for like 12 years where the Puritans were in charge. 1.00

01:14:41.260 And then we restored the monarchy, but a constitutional monarchy.

01:14:43.620 So the king has no power.

01:14:44.440 And the house of Lords is a second chamber, much like the Senate, but with much, much,

01:14:51.140 much less power.

01:14:52.000 Like basically no power.

01:14:53.860 I mean, that's, you know, some Lord being like, I have power, but they don't really have

01:14:59.920 very much power.

01:15:01.240 And, and certainly my parents, to the best of my knowledge, I spoke to my parents today,

01:15:05.800 but as far as I'm aware, they don't hate you.

01:15:07.680 They've never told me that they hate you.

01:15:09.700 So that's news to me.

01:15:11.240 They've never given me any indication.

01:15:12.080 It's news to me.

01:15:13.240 That's a, that's a, that's a recent favorite one.

01:15:14.900 And then the, the newest one that has emerged is definitely my favorite.

01:15:18.480 That Andrew Tate has blackmail on you.

01:15:21.760 It's just like, where did the top G's got blackmail on you?

01:15:25.940 They're like, this is why I'm like, what is anybody ever talking about?

01:15:29.040 I can count.

01:15:30.260 I literally think on five fingers, how many times I've even met Andrew Tate.

01:15:34.900 Two of them were the times I was interviewing him once at the Trump hotel.

01:15:38.880 I think it's four.

01:15:39.680 I think the total number is four.

01:15:41.820 Yeah.

01:15:42.300 It's crazy.

01:15:43.100 And so they think that they've developed this whole thing where like, he's known you your

01:15:46.780 whole life and he knows where all the bodies are buried.

01:15:49.300 I'm like, people on the internet are mad, but I love a good conspiracy theory.

01:15:53.480 So I love to read that about myself, especially.

01:15:56.100 Like he hasn't told me if he has.

01:15:57.760 If he does.

01:15:59.220 Also, if you are watching and you have a blackmail file on us, please let us know.

01:16:03.040 Okay.

01:16:03.380 Exactly.

01:16:03.740 Don't let randos on the internet know about that.

01:16:06.500 But it is one of the things that I think has made our relationship so strong is our ability

01:16:10.460 to laugh at it because you could not survive this life if you did not have a sense of humor.

01:16:15.120 People coming up every day with a new theory, constantly lying, but somehow if you put it

01:16:19.600 on the internet, it must be true.

01:16:20.780 So in closing, again, just want to thank you for this tremendous year.

01:16:24.980 I know my listeners have been trying to have me get you on for a very long time and they

01:16:29.520 know that you are much more brilliant than me, much more well-read than me, much more

01:16:33.700 handsome than I am.

01:16:37.700 None of these are true.

01:16:39.140 You know, couldn't do life without you.

01:16:41.460 That's what I would say in clothing.

01:16:42.680 You know, just still love you more today than the day that we got married.

01:16:46.520 That's the same for me too.

01:16:48.320 Could you have to say that?

01:16:49.400 Yeah.

01:16:49.620 You pay me to say that.

01:16:50.260 We'll see you in the next six years.

01:16:52.840 Six years later.

Candace Owens - December 12, 2024

Meet My Husband, George Farmer ｜ Candace Ep 119

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