Candace Owens - Neil Oliver Interviews Candace Owens

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00:01:13.320 OK, now it's time for this week's interview.

00:01:15.580 Hi, everyone, fellow time travellers.

00:01:22.880 It's that time in the week when we seek to broaden our horizons, widen our perspectives by hearing from another voice,

00:01:31.520 another opinionated voice, ideally.

00:01:34.300 This week's guest, I think, is certainly opinionated.

00:01:36.840 Candice Owens, usually described whenever I look online as a political commentator, sometimes called a political pundit.

00:01:45.780 Like me, routinely described as far right.

00:01:50.240 Far right being one of a swathe of descriptions that's been rendered meaningless, really, in modern times by misuse and overuse.

00:01:57.440 I see Candice as fascinating, forthright, intensely smart, wonderfully articulate, fearless, determined.

00:02:07.800 And I've been looking forward to this conversation for, oh, days now.

00:02:12.940 So let's get into it.

00:02:14.260 Good morning to you, Candice Owens.

00:02:17.220 Thank you so much for having me.

00:02:18.480 I'm excited that we were able to make this work.

00:02:20.360 Indeed, indeed.

00:02:21.520 I want to get straight into it.

00:02:22.880 I want to make the most of our time together, Candice.

00:02:24.580 Listen, I really want to start – I've watched you online, and I've been watching the latest conversations that you've been having with a variety of figures.

00:02:35.240 And it seems to me, four years since the COVID debacle kicked off, and it was the COVID debacle that kind of woke me up to so many other issues,

00:02:45.980 it seems against all my expectations that even now the world is getting madder and madder, faster and faster.

00:02:55.980 I wondered if you feel as if whatever ride we're on is spinning ever more out of control.

00:03:02.840 I agree.

00:03:04.840 I actually, though, am optimistic about it because I think that the reason it feels more feverish is because for a very long time,

00:03:16.220 there was sort of this authority that everybody trusted, and therefore it seemed ordered because nobody was awake.

00:03:24.280 Like you said, after COVID, I sort of woke up to this and started to realize maybe some things that I thought were or were not.

00:03:32.120 And because of that, because the establishment, so to speak, feels threatened, because they should feel threatened, people are no longer believing them,

00:03:40.200 they are kind of feverishly riding.

00:03:42.980 They're in a total fever pitch right now trying to figure out how to kind of get the sheep back in order.

00:03:49.540 Is it, is the COVID, well, I always call it the COVID debacle, was that for you also?

00:03:58.140 Because I admit, I've loudly admitted over recent times when challenged that I was naive.

00:04:04.400 I was not paying attention for the first five decades of my life.

00:04:08.400 And it was only, it was only what started to happen around COVID that, for whatever reason, made that kind of fight, flight, you know, reptilian bit of my brain flicker for the first time.

00:04:22.180 So was that, was it the same for you?

00:04:25.520 So first, what I'll say is that what you just said is something that the majority of the mainstream media is incapable of doing.

00:04:31.300 And that's what I mean about they're so authoritarian, they refuse to admit when they've just got it wrong.

00:04:34.840 And the people that are willing to, with new information, update, change their minds are people that should have platforms.

00:04:41.460 And you're starting to see that they do have platforms because they've built real trust with the people.

00:04:45.740 The trust to just say, wow, I was completely wrong about this.

00:04:48.540 But no, regarding COVID, I was already on a list because I was an anti-vaxxer.

00:04:55.640 I am an anti-vaxxer.

00:04:57.060 I love that there's always a name for something.

00:04:58.840 I was blessed when I was 20 that I got vaccine injured by the Gardasil shot.

00:05:04.040 And it took me out of a reverie with medical, like big pharma, because I basically had a mini seizure while I was at the doctor and then got up.

00:05:14.800 I was about 19 or 20 and went, I don't know anything about this shot.

00:05:18.280 I blindly trusted the doctor.

00:05:19.780 And then when I researched just that particular shot, I realized it was all smoke and mirrors.

00:05:24.320 Everything that I was told to be, it was like a fear-based, get it, or you're going to get cervical or ovarian cancer from HPV,

00:05:32.160 which, I mean, total, total nonsense.

00:05:34.920 And so when my husband and I got married and had kids, I had already made up my mind to do a series on vaccines for parents so that they could just hear a different opinion.

00:05:43.540 And so I had already was producing that series.

00:05:46.280 And then luckily for me, COVID hit and suddenly people were going, what's going on with big pharma?

00:05:52.340 And I, of course, was saying, don't get the shot from the very beginning.

00:05:55.360 And I think that, you know, people were finally ready to hear, it's hard to imagine in your mind that the establishment could be that evil.

00:06:05.840 And I think that's what's so difficult.

00:06:07.200 We're naturally trusting because the other option is to believe that the entire mainstream media apparatus,

00:06:14.540 in collusion with governments worldwide, in collusion with vaccine makers, in collusion with the government organizations,

00:06:25.820 for us it's the FDA, are all colluding for you guys, the NIH, are all colluding to lie to people.

00:06:32.060 Like you'd have to actually be a madman to think that first.

00:06:35.480 And I got to think that first because I got vaccine injury, injured when I was younger and survived it.

00:06:40.840 So I was, I was already, I had arrived at that conclusion.

00:06:43.220 And it's, what's been so devastating for me, and I don't use the word lightly or casually, is the trust issue.

00:06:54.260 I, I trusted the establishment.

00:06:59.120 I feel ridiculous saying it, even though I've said it many times now, I still, it still makes me blush, metaphorically at least,

00:07:06.840 whenever I hear myself saying it.

00:07:08.040 But I just assumed that whether they were red or blue, whether they were left or right,

00:07:15.140 that the establishment, the government of the day was, basically had my, mine and my family's interests at heart.

00:07:23.080 They would have ideological differences about politics and society and all of the rest of it.

00:07:28.580 But basically they would keep the lights on, they would come and empty the refuse, there would be schools, there'd be hospitals, there'd be food in the shops.

00:07:34.880 And that they basically wanted me and mine to be well.

00:07:38.900 And the realisation that I came to over a very painful, almost a period, almost like grieving, that actually, on the contrary, at best, they didn't care if I lived or died.

00:07:50.780 And at worst, there might actually be something malevolent at play.

00:07:54.960 That's what's made me so angry.

00:07:57.700 Because, you know, it's like being betrayed by a, by a lifelong monogamous spouse.

00:08:04.480 You know, I feel as if, I just feel so foolish that I, that I placed that trust.

00:08:10.020 We got our kids, my kids are now 21, 18 and 16.

00:08:14.520 And at the time, when they were little, we got them all the MMR, via vaccinations, you know, the measles, mumps and rubella.

00:08:22.160 And we, you know, we did it for all three.

00:08:24.620 You know, they were born about each, you know, two years apart.

00:08:27.420 And we marched these little bodies into the, into the doctor's surgery.

00:08:30.760 And we got those, we got those vaccinations.

00:08:32.980 And now I look back on it and I think, well, we just weren't, we were just so blithely naive.

00:08:39.480 We didn't, we didn't take the COVID products.

00:08:42.800 We managed to keep my kids away from the COVID products as well.

00:08:46.060 And it's, if it's the thing that I, that we achieved as parents, I think we're probably happiest about in all of it, in all of the years.

00:08:53.880 The fact that we, the fact that we kept those needles away from their arms at that point is, you know, was, has come down as a great, has come down as a great accomplishment.

00:09:01.700 But do you know what I mean?

00:09:02.920 It's that feeling of, it's awakening to the loss of trust is devastating.

00:09:08.820 Yeah, it is devastating.

00:09:09.860 And beyond that, you go through this period of cognitive dissonance where you start wondering, like, am I crazy?

00:09:15.300 Like, how could this possibly be my entire life?

00:09:17.880 I believed this.

00:09:18.640 I did this.

00:09:19.240 How could I have been so wrong?

00:09:21.240 And that's, and that's what you're describing as like, it still makes me blush to, to look back on your former self and to realize that I had trust in the establishment.

00:09:28.320 But I always tell people, like I said, you'd have to have been crazy not to have trust in them considering they have created, and I hate to overuse this term, but it is in fact a matrix of sorts.

00:09:39.460 They're controlling the textbooks, right?

00:09:41.340 Most people go to public school.

00:09:42.760 The information that they're getting is telling you that it is actually a token of your education to read the New York Times and to, and to, and to register that as the reality of everything that's happening in the world.

00:09:54.080 You know, you guys probably have a different, you know, trusted newspaper, maybe the Times of London.

00:09:59.300 They're telling you that it's a token of your education to vaccinate your children.

00:10:03.840 Like, thank goodness you're not just like a poor child in Africa, and we get to have this remarkably educated society where we get to vax our children and we can go to the doctor.

00:10:12.280 And so everything from the moment that you are handing your children over to the government is to plug them into this matrix unquestioningly.

00:10:21.400 It is, it is the enslavement of the mind, and they've accomplished it, and it is evil, but the thing is, is they went too far.

00:10:32.720 They just went too far, and inevitably that's what happens.

00:10:35.540 You know, lies eventually collapse under their own weight, and we're at that moment, and that's what keeps me so optimistic.

00:10:42.060 I agree up to a point, Candice, but I thought, when I mentioned the four-year time span, because in recent weeks, the fact that we're four years in has really begun to prey on my mind.

00:10:56.360 Because I struggle with the fact that so much has been revealed now in the past few years about the damage done by lockdown, about the damage done by the medical interventions, you know, about the meaninglessness of masks and magic arrows on shop floors and keep six feet apart and all of that.

00:11:16.420 Then there's, you know, you get into the nature of what's happening in Gaza, so much is out there in plain sight, almost being admitted to, and yet it doesn't seem to matter.

00:11:32.040 You know, the corruption of the Biden family, you know, the millions that were accrued by selling access to Joe Biden as vice president to Obama, it gets out there.

00:11:43.080 The truth is out there, and we were supposed to believe that the truth is a lion that only needs to be set free and it'll take care of itself, but it doesn't seem to be bringing down any of the culprits.

00:11:53.760 You know, in terms of the people that have imparted the evil, no, you're correct, because they have a tremendous amount of power,

00:12:00.040 and they're never going to penalize themselves.

00:12:02.700 But like I said, when you're speaking about the rift right now that you feel, that is a rift between the people that are governing over us and the people that are being governed.

00:12:13.840 People are waking up, and that is a problem for them.

00:12:15.880 Is it going to be overnight? No, but it's happening slowly.

00:12:18.880 It's actually, I think it's happening quite quickly.

00:12:20.420 And if you just examine, for example, in America, these mainstream media sources are just not watched or listened to anymore.

00:12:28.600 People are pursuing independent voices for a reason.

00:12:33.620 And so it may not feel like the shift is radical enough because you're still perceiving what the mainstream media is saying,

00:12:39.720 and there is also a contingent of the population which still listens to them.

00:12:43.440 But even to those individuals, I have compassion for them.

00:12:47.840 I get it, right?

00:12:49.400 Imagine you are a person who has based your entire life and your entire identity within this matrix.

00:12:56.540 Let's say you are a doctor, right?

00:12:58.240 I am one of those people.

00:13:00.220 Yeah, but even further, like you are a psychologist.

00:13:03.060 You are a nurse.

00:13:04.760 You are everything you've ever done.

00:13:06.660 And you're 55 years old, 65 years old, whatever it is.

00:13:11.340 Are you really going to want to undo all of that?

00:13:14.460 That means to undo yourself in many ways.

00:13:17.260 And most people either don't have the humility or do not have the emotional expanse.

00:13:23.620 They don't want to go through that trauma.

00:13:26.400 And so they'd rather stay within a system of abuse.

00:13:30.040 They really would rather stay within a system of abuse because it makes sense to them.

00:13:33.360 And this gets into, by the way, we can talk about the philosophers of old.

00:13:37.060 We're talking about the concept of slavery, whether it's natural, Plato, Augustine.

00:13:41.040 They were grappling with this concept.

00:13:44.960 And we don't know what the answer is.

00:13:47.220 Some people do find it easier to just be ruled over.

00:13:51.120 It's easier to not have to think and to just do whatever you're told.

00:13:55.560 Yes, I have come to realize that it would appear that freedom is an onerous responsibility.

00:14:03.520 It's a burden.

00:14:04.800 It's a burden.

00:14:06.140 It's not a burden.

00:14:06.840 It's a weight to carry.

00:14:08.140 It's a responsibility.

00:14:09.060 And when you invite people to contemplate a notion like inalienable, I only really started pondering the nation of inalienable rights relatively recently in that they're given to you by, well, God.

00:14:25.880 They're not given to you by a human being.

00:14:28.080 Therefore, they can't be taken away from you by a human being.

00:14:30.340 But the point is, in being inalienable, even if you want to, you can't give it up.

00:14:35.400 I find that profoundly moving.

00:14:42.520 It's only when your freedom is threatened, actually.

00:14:45.100 It's when someone comes to you and says, I want your freedom.

00:14:47.600 I want to enslave you.

00:14:49.060 Even if it would be easier for you to go along with that, you can't.

00:14:53.300 But because of the nature of the right of the freedom being inalienable, it's at that moment that you have to say, I'm going to have to fight to the death on this because I cannot lose this freedom.

00:15:06.300 But with my life, you're going to have to rip out of me like my beating heart.

00:15:11.220 The option to be a slave is not actually your gift to grant.

00:15:17.560 You have to be free.

00:15:19.160 And I find that profoundly moving.

00:15:21.680 It is.

00:15:22.280 And so I think there are so many people that are similarly grappling with that concept.

00:15:27.860 And some people are demanding more restrictions because they don't want to confront that.

00:15:34.520 They like the idea of everybody stay at home and turn on your TV screens and listen to what they're telling you to do.

00:15:41.860 Don't let your grandmother die alone.

00:15:43.560 They actually want society to become more restricted because they're not capable of confronting their own inalienable rights.

00:15:51.860 And I truly believe that it is a form of, at times, laziness and at times, cowardice.

00:16:02.240 And for me, I've never struggled with either of those things.

00:16:06.720 I always feel relieved to recognize something that I've gotten wrong because then I go, now I can correct this.

00:16:14.760 And that allows me to be more free.

00:16:17.340 Like, I am now more free because I know this and it's going to be good for my kids to inherit this true freedom because the only true freedom that exists is the freedom of the mind.

00:16:27.720 When you had your awakening, as you, you know, in the aftermath of the seizure that you described in your teens,

00:16:35.680 and you began that process of thinking, well, if I've been misled about these medical interventions, what else?

00:16:46.020 What else is adrift here?

00:16:49.640 What were some of the next steps that you made so that you were now suspicious about big pharma?

00:16:58.500 What else did you begin to look at and think, wait a minute, if that's wrong, what about this over here?

00:17:04.020 So it's funny because at the time, I would say that I was, I always describe it as like a sleepy liberal, like sleepy left-leaning, as in I was in university.

00:17:13.000 Most people are, believe they're left-leaning.

00:17:15.480 You're being, your mind is being poisoned every single day.

00:17:18.740 And I didn't correlate it to politics at all.

00:17:21.260 It was just for me, I was never going to get another vaccine in my life.

00:17:24.520 That was kind of my mind that I had made up.

00:17:26.080 And I knew that someday when I had children, my children were not going to be vaccinated.

00:17:29.240 And I knew that would be a tough sell to whoever I married and trying to explain why I was so passionate about it.

00:17:35.620 But I didn't get to the next step.

00:17:37.660 And I suppose what it did was that it planted a seed that big lies are plausible.

00:17:41.660 And I didn't get to the next step until Black Lives Matter and Donald Trump.

00:17:45.980 And I was, again, on the left.

00:17:47.200 But I was sort of very shocked when Donald Trump said, I'm running for president of the United States.

00:17:53.020 And I said, oh, no, this guy can't be president.

00:17:55.420 Come on.

00:17:55.780 He's on the TV show.

00:17:57.220 He's a character.

00:17:58.360 Obama is able to communicate.

00:18:01.460 He's one of the greatest orators of our time.

00:18:03.740 No way we're going from Obama to this guy.

00:18:05.400 I did not want Donald Trump to get elected.

00:18:07.840 And then I was quite surprised because that wasn't enough.

00:18:12.180 The mainstream media went so extreme in trying to convince me that he was Adolf Hitler and that my duty as a Black person was to vote.

00:18:20.160 Otherwise, I was going to be back on a slave ship.

00:18:23.360 I mean, it was bonkers.

00:18:24.460 Their rhetoric was insane.

00:18:26.080 And I found that to be laughable because he was in the public sphere for decades.

00:18:30.660 And no one said this at all.

00:18:32.540 When he decided to run for president, you realized, oh, my God, no, actually, he's Adolf Hitler.

00:18:37.860 And he wants to enslave Black Americans.

00:18:39.520 And so it was too quick of a shift.

00:18:42.820 And I just went, OK, that's weird.

00:18:44.360 I'm going to listen to this guy speak and see why the media, who I love and trust still, are getting so crazy about him.

00:18:52.700 And I listened to one of his speeches.

00:18:54.040 And he gave a very sound, I thought, elevator pitch to Black America.

00:18:59.700 He just started rattling off statistics and the ways that we were suffering in our communities.

00:19:03.380 All of them were true.

00:19:04.360 And said, look, you've given your vote to Democrats for X amount of years.

00:19:08.160 I'm just saying, why don't you just try something new with me?

00:19:10.860 Just try something different.

00:19:12.080 And then I watched the media take him completely out of context.

00:19:15.500 And the fake tears, Black journalists, he looked Black America in the face and told us that we were poor.

00:19:24.340 And I just went, whoa.

00:19:26.120 And so that really was the earth shattering moment for me, because that was when I went through that cognitive dissonance of like, is it plausible that everything I thought was true is not?

00:19:35.820 Like, this is the upside down moment, because I thought the left and the Democrats were the good guys fighting for rights.

00:19:40.920 And I then had to confront the idea that all of those people that I had dismissed as like backwards and racist and rednecks and, you know, wish that Black Americans were still enslaved may have been lied about.

00:19:54.420 And that was hard.

00:19:55.960 Like, that was actually hard.

00:19:57.600 And the only way that I could get through that was through true education, meaning I started buying books from people that I had dismissed in my head as race traitors.

00:20:08.640 And the person who completely changed me was Thomas Sowell.

00:20:13.340 I started reading Thomas Sowell's books, and there was no coming back from that.

00:20:17.220 I was made aware of Thomas Sowell, I don't know, before COVID, he had started cropping up for whatever reason, and I started reading him.

00:20:31.480 And likewise, that was a great awakening for me.

00:20:35.620 That was a sense in which I was made to confront the possibility that a large part of the civil rights, whatever, Black Lives Matter, the Democrat Party, the party of the people, that it was upside down.

00:20:54.380 What Thomas Sowell was saying, I thought, can that be true?

00:20:57.440 Because this guy certainly looks and sounds credible.

00:20:59.580 I'm going to have difficulty thinking that this guy is, you know, is not qualified to say these things.

00:21:08.300 What do you, how do you assess then, you know, fast forward to now, Trump and Kennedy Jr.?

00:21:17.240 What's your reading of that apparent unity of intent?

00:21:24.360 In regards to what?

00:21:26.860 Like, do I think they're good caring?

00:21:28.480 Do you buy it?

00:21:30.980 Does it seem authentic to you, or does it seem like a play?

00:21:36.960 I don't think it's a play.

00:21:38.800 I think both of them, first and foremost, if you're running and you're Trump and you know that actually a large contingent of your voter base was keen on RFK Jr.,

00:21:50.200 I would say definitely like suburban moms were keen on RFK Jr. because they preferred his demeanor, preferred his rhetoric.

00:21:57.240 I mean, even conservative women, you will still have that continued who are just like, I just don't like the way Trump speaks.

00:22:02.360 And they liked RFK Jr.

00:22:04.920 And so I think it was, look, I'm going to back up Trump because, and this is from RFK Jr.'s perspective, I truly believe that what the left wants to implement is evil.

00:22:15.880 And so if I have to back someone, and also they treated him terribly, I'm going to back Trump.

00:22:20.800 And then from Trump, I think their team is just thinking, well, it's good because this shows how radical the left is.

00:22:28.100 But is it a true partnership in terms of their ideas?

00:22:31.800 No.

00:22:32.180 And one of my concerns is I wonder if him partnering with RFK Jr., while it does placate a piece of the base, if it abandons another, because there are people, many people, who just think, I don't want you to placate.

00:22:52.560 I don't want you to make friends.

00:22:54.020 I want a person who's going to be out there saying, we're going isolationalist, okay?

00:22:59.100 I don't care about women marching in the streets, about reproductive, I don't care about any of that.

00:23:06.100 It's all an evil.

00:23:07.880 Here is my stance.

00:23:09.020 And if I'm standing here saying that alone and making no friends, then so be it.

00:23:14.900 And I think really, by the way, that would be a more honest embodiment of America first, right?

00:23:23.660 Just America first.

00:23:24.580 I actually don't care to make friends.

00:23:26.120 I don't care about any of this stuff.

00:23:28.020 I'm going to tell you what is evil and what is not, and that's it.

00:23:32.360 Since, you know, you say you use the word evil, and I, for years now, I've been being contacted by people who use the word evil.

00:23:42.820 And they talk about this being about good and evil, light and dark, right and wrong.

00:23:46.300 So, I find it, I initially find it very difficult to conceptualize evil.

00:23:57.040 I did.

00:23:57.760 I thought, we're getting away from the everyday world here that I've inhabited for all of these decades.

00:24:05.240 We're now moving into terrain into which I have not really previously stepped or explored.

00:24:12.940 But that word comes at me too often now for me to, well, I certainly won't dismiss it out of hand.

00:24:21.860 Do you feel that we're dealing with actual malevolence, actual evil, that rather than us just being caught in the cogs of a big machine for which we are just, you know, dots on spreadsheets, flashing lights on screens, do you detect evil intent?

00:24:42.700 Yeah, I don't just feel it, I know it, you know, I've spent time, I've done the research, and it is full, unadulterated evil that we are confronting right now.

00:24:53.980 And it's, when we're referring to a global elite, a small group of people that have amassed power over almost the entire world, the kind of evil that can control the media and compel the human race into action, knowing that it is going to harm them.

00:25:13.880 The kind of evil that can tell a global lie and get away with it and not even care that you're harming, and this is really, for me, the litmus test, children.

00:25:27.580 Like, are you so evil?

00:25:28.820 Okay, you created this virus in the lab.

00:25:31.580 I'm convinced they've been creating viruses in labs for a very long time.

00:25:35.520 You release this upon the population.

00:25:37.880 You are able to modify human behavior on the basis of it.

00:25:41.120 You've got grandmothers dying alone, okay?

00:25:45.380 Can we leave the kids out of it?

00:25:47.300 No.

00:25:47.660 They tried to compel children to get this vaccine.

00:25:50.280 They knew that young people were getting myocarditis.

00:25:53.140 They knew, and they censored that information, and the journalists helped them.

00:25:58.100 So at the top, you have evil.

00:26:00.060 In between there, you have greed, right?

00:26:01.860 So you go, why would a journalist who knows that what they're saying is not true be writing these hit pieces, calling people anti-vaxxers?

00:26:11.120 So they're being compelled by greed.

00:26:12.460 We know that Pfizer was sponsoring.

00:26:14.760 I mean, you have CNN say something, and then a Pfizer commercial would come out, right, via advertisements, keeping these people afloat.

00:26:20.660 And most people then, beyond the evil, beyond the greed, you then have a large category of people that are just cowards, right?

00:26:30.060 And their behavior is being modified by the badness of crowds, which is to say, well, I don't want to be the person not wearing a mask.

00:26:38.640 You know, I don't want to be the person that stands out.

00:26:41.520 And I was just like, nope, not happening.

00:26:43.920 It's just not going to happen.

00:26:45.080 And I was strong on that.

00:26:47.780 I mean, I wouldn't even allow people.

00:26:49.320 I'm like, this is my home.

00:26:50.280 If you're going to wear a mask, you can't come over.

00:26:52.160 My children are not going to see people wearing masks.

00:26:54.040 I'm not going to accept this as the new normal.

00:26:55.920 So it's a combination of all of that.

00:26:59.120 But at the top, it's evil.

00:27:02.300 Because I look on it, I look on it, what's happening, or I've been looking on it, what's happening in Ukraine.

00:27:09.360 And I've been paying close attention to it and talking to people about it from the start.

00:27:14.900 And because of the loss of trust that I'd experienced during COVID, I was instantly suspicious about what was happening in Ukraine.

00:27:23.520 It seemed too convenient that they suddenly had this upon which to focus everyone's attention.

00:27:30.320 And by now, and of course, I watched our own former Prime Minister Boris Johnson as the NATO bag carrier who went out and scuppered the peace deal, which was already on the table.

00:27:40.940 And that has led, well, directly really to, well, I was talking to Colonel Douglas MacGregor the other night, and he was quoting a figure of 600,000 Ukrainian dead.

00:27:54.120 And then there's Russian dead on top of that.

00:27:56.360 And then I look at what's happening in Gaza, and that the brunt of the suffering there, and most of the dying, is women and children and babies.

00:28:10.500 And that I live in a world that's blithely looking on at both of those sequences of events unfolding.

00:28:20.460 And it's like watching a car crash in slow motion and being unable to do anything to stop it.

00:28:27.840 And you say children, and you say evil.

00:28:31.040 And the motivations behind those things, increasingly, I find it impossible to deny, but that it's malevolent intent.

00:28:41.220 We installed, after a color revolution, a leader in Ukraine that we could control.

00:28:48.940 That leader was then followed up by another leader who was an actor, which is an actor, Zelensky.

00:28:53.560 And he is still an actor, right?

00:28:56.100 And he's a bad faith actor.

00:28:57.740 He's a bad faith actor.

00:29:27.740 Because of big evil Russia.

00:29:29.160 And not because they have more Machiavellian plans afoot there.

00:29:33.940 The Gaza situation for me has been, it is shocking for me because of how many men have platforms now.

00:29:45.000 You know, you wonder, how could somebody sit back and allow this?

00:29:48.500 Weẹncy, you're seeing the footage.

00:29:50.860 You're hearing the mothers screaming in pain.

00:29:53.660 You have doctors that are writing pieces telling you that this is an annihilation.

00:29:57.120 I've been in war zones. I went out there, Doctors Without Borders, and I'm telling you this is an

00:30:00.700 intentional annihilation. You have the footage and it looks like Dresden. And you are just going to

00:30:08.840 accept the narrative that the media is telling you that there is just children and women.

00:30:16.240 Everyone's being used as a human shield. What is that? Well, on one end, it's greed. People

00:30:21.860 knowing where their bread is buttered and knowing that if you take a different perspective,

00:30:25.220 you'll lose your job. And on the other hand, it's cowardice. I always see these two things. It's

00:30:31.520 between these two things. I just am going to stay away from that narrative because I've got kids and

00:30:36.080 I've got to feed my children. And I understand that the media is only allowed to have one perspective.

00:30:41.580 I don't know that when you enter the big courts, like when you are going to have to account for

00:30:49.480 your life before God, if greed and cowardice are going to cut it, when you have to explain why you

00:30:56.360 had a platform and said nothing, as you watched women and children and their homes be annihilated.

00:31:05.340 Do you think, Candace, that it's Christianity? You mentioned Christian men in Ukraine. Do you think

00:31:10.880 Christianity in particular is in the crosshairs? Do you think Christianity is the obstacle?

00:31:19.500 Yes. And it's always been that way. And the more that I got into real history and got out of my,

00:31:26.080 I deprogrammed myself and recognized that virtually everything that I was told

00:31:30.220 was an intentional partial illustration or an outright lie in terms of learning history.

00:31:36.140 history. I then began to read books. And the more that I got into actual history,

00:31:42.440 it brought me to faith. And I've realized there's a reason these groups went after the Bible and used

00:31:50.540 to teach the Bible. That was just a mainstream thing that was taught in school that got taken out of the

00:31:55.000 school system that was no longer being taught because that is the story of man. And then they wanted to

00:32:00.560 usher in this era of scientism, as C.S. Lewis refers to it as, to replace God with the concept

00:32:07.900 of science, making people think that they come from apes. Everything can be explained by a scientist

00:32:12.460 and trust the experts. And there you had generations not even realizing that they were subjecting

00:32:19.200 themselves to a demonic antichrist narrative where man is placed at the center. We started worshiping

00:32:27.520 man, various men, a form of, of paganism really. And in minting these people like Dr. Fauci as gods.

00:32:36.320 And the more that I looked into history, I realized that there is a Christian conspiracy,

00:32:41.100 so to speak, where everything they have done has been to divide up the church, to attack the church,

00:32:47.560 and to sell you a different narrative as to why. I mean, I'll, I'll take it a step further.

00:32:52.200 Now, when I examine all of these wars that are happening in the Middle East, I am certain that the

00:32:56.120 reason is because you, they are bombing the oldest, we have been bombing nonstop in the West,

00:33:01.640 the oldest place that, I mean, we're talking Syria, Afghanistan, and there are priests speaking out

00:33:07.380 saying they've bombed, they keep bombing all of these old architectures, all of these old churches,

00:33:13.140 all of these things that hold real history. Well, yeah, you got to wipe away history if you're going

00:33:17.760 to plan on presenting an Orwellian future where there is no such thing as history. And it's just this

00:33:22.560 ever-present. I think that is the reason why they are after, um, in Iraq, in, in Iran, in, like I said,

00:33:31.340 Syria. Nobody knows what we're doing in Syria, why, why we've just been bombing Syria into oblivion.

00:33:36.880 And because the history holds the few, holds the answers to the future.

00:33:40.960 And so, it, it, the whole, the whole thing, this is what I find, I feel unmoored. I feel as if, uh, the lines

00:33:54.740 that, that held me in place and, uh, and gave me the security of being able to understand where I was

00:34:03.140 and how I fitted in. I feel as if all of that's been cut away and that, and that I now find myself

00:34:08.780 having conversations about evil, uh, and about faith and about Christianity, I, I wonder if,

00:34:16.640 if it isn't the, the necessary step, you know, you, to get beneath or behind what you describe as the

00:34:24.700 matrix and to get back to some of these fundamental places and, and look at them again, as though for

00:34:31.980 the first time, you know, like Syria and Iraq, you know, these, these places where, where deep history

00:34:38.060 is embedded and, and even deeper history closer by, I wonder if that's part of the necessary recovery

00:34:44.980 that we need to, you know, to, to, to get away from, from this matrix.

00:34:52.280 Yeah. Well, it's one of the reasons why I was baptized Catholic. I, I think they've been holding

00:34:56.060 a candle for a very long time. It's why Catholics are so hated. And, and even that was a, a very

00:35:01.460 careful evil operation to dissuade. And I'm speaking about America, but obviously also in the UK, um,

00:35:07.900 to dissuade the West against the Catholic church, because they know real history. They've been,

00:35:12.140 they've been keeping it for thousands of years. And yes, it has always been a holy war. Everything

00:35:18.080 else is just materialistic and surface. You know, you, you, you, what you're being told, it's all surface

00:35:23.680 and it's, they're intentionally giving you all of this information and no real information. Once

00:35:28.420 you begin to examine world events through the lens of a holy war, things suddenly make a lot more

00:35:33.720 sense. And you will find yourself at the moment that you begin speaking about faith under attack

00:35:40.160 from the mainstream media. What is divided cannot stand. Who's winning? If it's a, if it is, if it's a

00:35:46.740 holy war, if it's a war of faith, who's, who's got the upper hand? Goodness always wins in the end.

00:35:54.260 And the, that, that is the reality because truth always wins, defeats a lie. A lie can only win

00:36:00.280 temporarily. That's why they say a lie makes its way around the world before the truth puts its shoes

00:36:05.080 on in the morning. But once the truth is there, it's the truth. It's inexorable. And I think that

00:36:11.640 is what is terrifying the elite because they have so carefully laid this illusion because that's what

00:36:18.340 it is. Everything has, you start to come to terms with has been one great illusion. And once you

00:36:25.280 become sober to that, you become a threat to the establishment. And which is why I go back to

00:36:30.440 an analogy of the matrix. Everyone becomes a Neo and they're able to see through and cut through all

00:36:36.040 of the lies. And when, now when I examine like agent Smith, that replica ever, you know, chasing Neil

00:36:41.360 throughout the entire movie, I see that as the mainstream media, right? Okay. We're going to

00:36:46.140 get you. You can't, you can't be doing that. You can't wake up the masses. We need everybody

00:36:49.140 asleep. We need everybody to be plugged into this. This is, this is a threat to our code.

00:36:53.700 You've been so, I mean, you're so under the, under the cosh, under the, under the gun. I'd have,

00:37:01.000 I've been for a sustained period of time in terms of censorship, in terms of silence, in terms of

00:37:04.980 these kinds of attacks that are leveled at you. Where, from whence comes the, the strength and the

00:37:13.740 determination to just look it in the eye?

00:37:17.060 The Bible, faith and family. And it's weird how optimistic I am. I always think that it would

00:37:25.500 drive them crazy if they knew how happy I was, despite their never ending attacks, because I

00:37:31.360 just, I see it falling apart. I know that they're writing this way about me because they're fearful.

00:37:37.500 They see it. They know goodness is awake now. They know the truth is putting its shoes on.

00:37:42.280 And there's only so many articles you can write calling everybody a Nazi apologist and a racist

00:37:48.040 and a homophobe and a transphobe. And it's not landing anymore. And I enjoy that. And I enjoy

00:37:54.480 knowing that what is real can't be threatened. They have no power over me because they don't have real

00:37:59.580 power. They have an illusion of power. And that illusion has worked for a long time, but real power

00:38:06.260 comes from faith and real power comes from the home.

00:38:09.340 I find it, I find it almost amusing now, almost amusing now that I've, I've now collected so many

00:38:16.560 labels like scout badges. You know, I feel as if I should have them stitched onto my sleeve. You

00:38:21.980 know, I've been anti-vaxxer, COVID idiot, granny killer, anti-masker, Putin apologist, anti-Semite,

00:38:30.840 racist, the whole, the whole gap, the whole gamut. You know, I have had a whole lot and I almost

00:38:36.640 found it laughable that the previous incarnation that I had, you know, when I used to make a soft

00:38:42.920 history documentaries and soft archeology documentaries, and I now find myself routinely

00:38:47.980 labeled over and over again in these ways. As I say, I almost am amused by it, but I hear you,

00:38:54.120 I do, I force myself to be, I don't think I'm optimistic by nature, but I'm married to a woman

00:38:59.760 who is more optimistic than I am. And she, she pulls me forward. She is, she is, she is irresistible

00:39:06.920 and inexorable in her determination to keep, to keep the thing moving forward. So, you know, I'm

00:39:11.720 blessed in that regard. But in the short term, in the short term, before we get to the Sunlit

00:39:16.520 Uplands, would you say, which, which, which slice of civilization would you say is, is, is going

00:39:24.340 craziest at the moment? Is it the United States of America? Is it the United Kingdom of Great

00:39:29.280 Britain? Or is it some other, I don't know, European country of your choice?

00:39:34.820 Well, I would, I would say it's a combination. It's just the West full stop because

00:39:38.760 there are no real lines between the people who have control over America and have control over the UK

00:39:47.860 and have control over Australia, but Western society in general is going through something.

00:39:54.080 It's very obvious and it's seems crazy and it seems erratic and it seems chaotic, but there is,

00:40:04.380 this is the natural process of everybody arriving at truth. Like, so I celebrate this moment. I think

00:40:10.040 it's beautiful. We have slight differences, which you and I were speaking about offline between what's

00:40:15.980 happening in America. So basically the mainstream media apparatus knows that you have to make a

00:40:19.940 different appeal to the English than you have to make an appeal to the American because we have

00:40:24.820 different characters and different concerns. So they tweak their message a little bit, but I find that

00:40:30.060 people seem to be awakening all around. Like I was, when there were calls to ban me from Australia,

00:40:38.160 I mean, we're talking real there, they are terrified, so terrified, mom of three Catholic,

00:40:43.800 get her out of here. Um, I realized, wow, this, this movement, this truth movement,

00:40:50.800 it has gone mainstream. It's going mainstream and they know it because they're becoming

00:40:56.140 more dramatic and erratic and how they're trying to put the genie back in the bottle,

00:41:01.460 but the genie is not going back in the bottle. It doesn't work that way.

00:41:03.980 I, I already, I already have some, uh, trepidation about the way in which the pendulum will swing

00:41:15.820 back because of how far the pendulum has been pushed in one direction, but I'm, but already I feel

00:41:24.600 as it's slowing down over on that extreme, other weight is jumping onto it already. And that I am

00:41:33.500 already trepidatious about the swathe that's going to be cut by that pendulum as it swings back.

00:41:41.100 Like we don't, we don't want, we don't want to end up at some other, you know, equal and opposite

00:41:48.220 extreme. You know, it's got, if you're right and I, and I believe that you are, I have faith that you

00:41:55.240 are right. Uh, it's going to have to be carefully done, isn't it? Or, or otherwise that if, if the,

00:42:05.760 if the pendulum goes all the way out to other, to the other extreme, other as yet unthought of

00:42:11.680 consequences will then ensue. Yeah. I mean, for me, the way that I look at it is what's gone wrong

00:42:20.100 has been this sort of administrative, uh, almost like an administrative state, so to speak. And that

00:42:28.680 was able to be created by this full reliance on the government, people believing that they're

00:42:34.200 atheists and not, they have the strongest faith in the world. Atheists have the strongest faith in

00:42:37.680 the world. Whenever there's no such thing as an atheist, they just replace their faith with

00:42:40.420 something else. And I think the way that it swings back is with true faith and true faith leads you

00:42:46.700 not to believe in administrative faith. You don't believe in that you it's all about what you can do

00:42:52.140 in your own home. Right. And so I don't, I'm not looking for the opposite administration to be

00:42:57.560 installed, you know, well, we have the CDC now we have to rely on this. It's like, no, we need to rely

00:43:02.260 on individuals and their families to make the best decisions that they have in their own household.

00:43:07.280 Like I'm going to homeschool my children. I'm not longer going to give my children to the state.

00:43:13.480 And I think that's a beautiful solution. I think what can happen is like you're saying,

00:43:18.800 people just go, well, we're not listening to the NIH and the CDC. So we need to create a different

00:43:23.920 kind of bubble. That's the other extremity. And no, I believe in, I truly do believe in the

00:43:29.740 individual and the family as the best solution.

00:43:34.560 To get back to, because I think about it more and more, when you talk about Christianity,

00:43:40.600 and we've agreed that it's having been in the crosshairs of attack for a very sustained period

00:43:47.300 of time. It astonishes me that that's the message that comes under such sustained attack. Because,

00:43:57.260 I mean, when you boil it down, it was, it was only, the message was only ever to, well,

00:44:02.280 to love God and love your neighbour as yourself. It's a strange message to get, you know, and

00:44:10.140 it's been, you know, it's been corrupted and it's been misused and misapplied. And there's been all

00:44:13.900 sorts of, there's been all sorts of horrors, you know, resultant from the misapplication and the

00:44:18.020 misuse and the corruption of it. But it's always amazing to me that such a simple message of,

00:44:23.420 we talk about tolerance and all the rest of it, but love your neighbour as yourself

00:44:26.980 has attracted so much heat and anger over the years. It's a great mystery to me.

00:44:34.640 Well, it's not to me. And not if you have a state which seeks ultimate omnipotence. Everything that

00:44:42.720 the Bible is providing with people is a tool to believe in something that's bigger than the state,

00:44:47.820 right? And they don't want that. They want to be your God in your life. So the first thing you have

00:44:52.440 to attack, and this is the first thing that is attacked when you, when you look backward into

00:44:56.140 history and you look at communist states, they don't want, they don't want religion. They don't want

00:45:00.160 Christians. They don't want that to happen because then people have this inner power, which makes it

00:45:05.700 impossible for them to rely on humans. You know, this humanist agenda, I now understand we were

00:45:11.880 completely lied to about everything, including the enlightenment. The enlightenment will be,

00:45:16.900 once we get through this thing, known as the dark ages. The dark ages were actually the

00:45:20.960 enlightenment. It was a, it was a period of, of remarkable Christian progress. And then they

00:45:26.240 completely inverted that and told us the opposite. And like, no, the enlightenment, once we started

00:45:29.960 thinking about self and how amazing we are as human beings, there were all of these breakthroughs. No,

00:45:35.860 we've been going downhill since. And, and so they, they have needed to attack the Bible. They have

00:45:42.660 needed to make people believe that there is no God because they wanted to become the gods of people,

00:45:47.900 people's lives. And you will see that it was, there was nobody who gave more to the government

00:45:52.760 during the time of COVID than the atheists because they believe this is it, right? I could possibly die

00:45:59.140 if I breathe, I will lock my child in a closet and tell my mom not to even call me if it means that

00:46:04.780 I get to, to live, to see tomorrow. If that's what, if that's what the newscaster tells me, I'm doing it.

00:46:09.840 It's very scary, right? Whereas people that believe and know that there's more would never subject

00:46:16.080 themselves to that.

00:46:17.880 And didn't. Your faith was the magic bullet that empowered so many people not to take the interventions,

00:46:24.900 not to take the jabs for precisely the, the reason that you just articulated. But in the, also in the

00:46:31.960 shorter, in the short term, again, how do we confront the very real threat of the censorship at the moment?

00:46:38.180 You know, the attacks on, on Telegram, the, the sustained attack on X slash Twitter and the,

00:46:47.060 the censorship that's already, that's already applied by YouTube for whatever reasons. I mean,

00:46:52.940 that's a, that's a, that's a hugely censorious platform and organ, even as it is. How do you and I,

00:46:59.160 you know, we're, we're communicating and in touch by this, by this miracle at the moment.

00:47:04.780 How do we make sure we're not atomized one from another by, by the, by the malevolent forces that

00:47:12.560 we've been talking about for three quarters of an hour, uh, you know, cutting the ties that bind

00:47:18.340 with their control of the, of the technology. Right. Well, one of the things that I will say

00:47:24.160 is, and I hate to be the eternal optimist about this, but I do think that everyone's paying attention

00:47:31.540 to what they're doing. Right. And the fact that we're having this conversation, the fact that

00:47:36.740 despite everything that's happened to me, you know, my podcast has never been bigger. What does

00:47:40.860 it show you? It's having the opposite desired effect. So at this point, those forces are fighting

00:47:46.580 to lose. They're just fighting to lose because the people are now awake to what they're doing.

00:47:50.980 We don't live in pre COVID world anymore. Um, that, that authoritarianism is not going to work.

00:47:56.160 And fortunately, because they were so heavy handed during that time, people figured out how to get

00:48:02.400 around it. You know, people figured out, okay, I'm, if I actually want to hear the truth, I'm

00:48:06.540 going to have to go somewhere else. I'm going to have to get onto this newsletter or get onto this

00:48:11.040 platform, or maybe this person's not on YouTube. So I'm going to have to download their stuff on

00:48:15.480 Spotify, whatever it is. And so it allowed people to predict that that could be coming. And so I,

00:48:22.800 I, I am optimistic because I've been predicting that at some point YouTube was going to come

00:48:28.320 hammer me. And, you know, there were these organized groups of the offshoots of the ADL

00:48:33.760 who were like, let's just start mass reporting her account. Well, because I'm able to foresee

00:48:37.480 that that may be a conclusion someday, I'm, I'm building my own platform. Once I have more of my

00:48:41.960 own platform, I then would like to host other people onto my own platform in the same way that

00:48:45.820 Tucker built his own platform. Um, and that's the way that it's going to be forward. And we're

00:48:50.360 going to have to be innovative and we were not being innovative before because we were

00:48:54.480 operating under this blind delusion that things were fair and people wanted speech. And now we

00:48:59.420 don't see that. And so we get to have the opportunity to be creative. What a blessing.

00:49:06.300 Do you put a timeline on any of this, Candace? You know, do you, uh, this, this better time,

00:49:12.240 this, the sunlit uplands to which we might return that, do you see it? Do you see and have a sense

00:49:18.600 of when it might, we might tip over and get onto the downhill stretch?

00:49:26.280 I don't know, but I know that we're already in the tilt. That's very obvious. Like I said,

00:49:32.400 based on their theatrical responses to everything and how those responses are no longer landing.

00:49:39.900 I mean, I'll give you an example, uh, full on attack on Tucker Carlson for hosting a historian

00:49:45.180 who presented some other facts about world war two full on attack. I mean, forget it. Wall to wall

00:49:51.420 didn't impact anything. Tucker's the top of the charts. Actually it made it. So it was like the

00:49:55.820 most watched podcast ever. So I don't, I don't know when that exact moment, I think we're already

00:50:01.200 in the tilt. Like we're already in the tilt. So. It is, it is fascinating the way the, the,

00:50:07.960 the tried and trusted techniques are, are hitting stumbling blocks. I will. I watched that with

00:50:15.960 great interest. I will. I consume most of Tucker's content. Um, I said the long form podcast, you know,

00:50:23.960 I just find endlessly fascinating. And I saw the, the Daryl Cooper conversation and you know, my,

00:50:31.800 my reaction to, I mean, I'm not a credentialed historian. I'm, I'm an archeologist, but, but I'm

00:50:37.240 just, I'm just a history buff. Uh, and I, I listened to what Daryl Cooper had to say just with,

00:50:43.880 just with open fascination. I just, I, I don't know. I, I, I love it when somebody comes at a familiar

00:50:51.480 topic from a different direction. That doesn't, that's never, that's never threatened me. I've never

00:50:56.840 felt the urge to cry heretic. Graham Hancock is someone who's reviled by the, the traditional

00:51:03.160 archeological community because he has, you know, he has ideas about a lost civilization. Uh, you know,

00:51:09.800 uh, you know, the truth of the, of the flood narrative. Uh, you know, he, he has a whole

00:51:15.000 complicated cosmology actually worked out and the traditional archeology, archeological community come

00:51:20.040 after him with everything they've got. And I've never understood why, because even, even if he's wrong,

00:51:27.320 what he says is at least fascinating. And likewise with someone like, I listened to the, to the,

00:51:33.560 the Daryl Cooper piece and I thought, wow, you know, you have definitely gone and consumed a lot of

00:51:38.360 content. You've, you have read a great deal of material and how fascinating simply to listen to you,

00:51:45.800 uh, elucidate your interpretation of it. And yet when the, when the, when that world came after him to

00:51:52.040 destroy them both, to tear down both Tucker and, and Cooper on the, on the strength of it,

00:51:57.000 it didn't, it didn't happen. It didn't work. Yeah. Yeah. Because our, our behavior has been

00:52:02.600 modified by COVID. Now, when people are screaming and doing that song and dance, it makes people go,

00:52:07.880 okay, what truth is in here that I'm not supposed to know? Because you did this already with the

00:52:11.720 anti-vaxxers. You did this. You told me that all these people were crazy, that they were on hinge.

00:52:15.480 You know, you can only say that so many times where people just go, okay, what are they freaking

00:52:19.480 out about? I said that actually the Streisand effect wouldn't have happened if they just let it,

00:52:23.800 left it alone. If they just had to let the episode play, it wouldn't have been the most watched

00:52:28.760 Tucker Carlson episode next to the Putin interview, but they can't help themselves because what we're

00:52:33.080 dealing with are a group of people who aren't creative. They aren't creative. This is, it's always

00:52:37.480 worked for them. We smear, we libel, we call people unhinged. We say they're having a mental breakdown.

00:52:42.840 My favorite is their new thing is Candace is having a postpartum psychosis, which is,

00:52:49.320 yes, this is, it's all the signs, the postpartum psychosis, which I love because I've examined the

00:52:55.160 history of psychology and quite literally psychology, modern psychology, the father of it being Sigmund

00:53:00.680 Freud was a horrific pervert who covered for pedophiles and created the art of gaslighting the

00:53:06.040 public. Right. And then he passed the torch down to Edward Bernays, who became the father of modern

00:53:12.280 propaganda, who was his relative, his nephew, and it hasn't stopped. So this is all they know. All

00:53:17.640 they know how, what to do, how to do is lie and smear. And so when people catch up to that game,

00:53:23.800 you look at them and you go, okay, well, what's your next move? Like, what are you going to say

00:53:27.160 now? Like, you've already said that thing. You've said they're Hitler. You've said they're a Nazi

00:53:32.440 collaborator. You've said she's in a postpartum psychosis. People are still watching her content.

00:53:36.600 So what's the next move? So the next move becomes banning. We're just going to ban her from a

00:53:41.640 country and pretend she's a criminal. We're going to ban this person. We're going to try to squeeze in

00:53:46.360 on the economics, I think, is what their next move is. But like I said, people are getting creative.

00:53:51.720 They're getting around it. And so I'm enjoying watching the show. I'm enjoying watching them

00:53:58.680 struggle with something that gave them such great results in the past that is giving them nothing but

00:54:04.600 an echo chamber amongst themselves. I am presently loving the concept of the

00:54:09.560 staircase of disbelief, which is this idea that everyone has their own staircase of disbelief,

00:54:18.200 effectively. And the most difficult step is the first step. And it'll be different for each

00:54:24.360 person. It might be the JFK assassination. Or it might be whatever. Or it could be 9-11.

00:54:32.600 Or it basically, it's something that you absorbed and took on faith from the, you know, from the entity,

00:54:40.200 and you believed it. And then for whatever reason, you step onto, you take the step onto step one of

00:54:47.240 the staircase of disbelief. And you think, I really don't think that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone shooter

00:54:54.520 and killed, you know, John F. Kennedy for his own reasons. And having internalized one, having stepped

00:55:01.080 on, you're then that bit more likely to step onto step two. And everyone's going to find their own.

00:55:07.000 And it goes all, you know, and it's a hundred steps high. And I wonder with, for you, you know,

00:55:14.840 I mean, I've seen your content, you know, I've seen your content about Brigitte Macron.

00:55:18.920 I've seen various topics that you've, that you've confronted. Whereas for you, what's going to,

00:55:25.560 what would be the next step on your personal staircase where you think,

00:55:29.640 I took that on faith for all of my life, but now I'm ready to think,

00:55:34.760 do you know what? I think there's an alternative explanation for that.

00:55:40.200 Where are you ready to go next?

00:55:40.920 I don't know. I mean, for me, I just have the kind of the same process of determining what the lie is.

00:55:46.680 And you typically, when you're seeing an overreaction in the media, that is just name

00:55:52.120 calling. Like you're not disputing anything. You're just screaming like an authoritarian.

00:55:56.760 That always piques my interest. I like the Brigitte Macron is a perfect example,

00:56:00.760 like for that ladder, because I thought this is insane. Of course, there's no truth to this.

00:56:04.440 But I was very kind of put off by the fact that rather than just like disproving that narrative,

00:56:10.840 they were just kind of calling somebody a name. And I was, let me look into this ridiculous story.

00:56:15.640 And then I realized that it was the most well-researched six part, took three and a half

00:56:20.360 years for a journalist to uncover, get documents. I'm like, how dare you pretend that this was like

00:56:25.960 just some random guy on the internet, like Photoshopping. And then when I came to terms with

00:56:31.400 that and realized that no one would touch it, I mean, not even, let's start with the small piece,

00:56:35.160 talking about that ladder of disbelief. The one thing they don't deny is that at the very best,

00:56:40.600 you're talking about a case of statutory rape. Okay. But at the very best, like a scenario for France,

00:56:46.920 they have to acknowledge that. They ignore it. They just ignore that part and won't even

00:56:50.520 talk about it. And that makes you go, okay, that's quite sinister that the mainstream media

00:56:55.160 won't at least say, yes, like Brigitte Macron, even if I believe she's a woman,

00:56:59.320 statutorily raped Emmanuel Macron. They won't say it. And, um, and so the more that you push,

00:57:05.080 you would think easily just debunk this. It's such an easy, where are the pictures of you?

00:57:08.680 30 years of your life. I would love it. If someone tried to tell the public that I lived as a man for

00:57:13.080 30 years, I'd let them write the whole piece. And then you get that other little tidbit where you

00:57:17.240 find out that as they were working on this article, the secret service detained them, took their phones.

00:57:23.240 This is just my common sense street smarts. Candace comes from nothing doesn't pass the

00:57:28.360 sniff test. Why, why would you send the secret service out on a journalist to intimidate them

00:57:32.360 and detain them? So I, one of the things that I really say to people, you can describe it as a

00:57:37.400 staircase. Uh, really, I, I just remind people that you have this thing and it is your God given

00:57:45.000 intuition that just tells you something's not right here, right? Like something's not right.

00:57:49.080 This is such an easy thing to debunk. Why are we just calling people names as opposed to just

00:57:53.160 sitting across from them and debunking it because it's crazy and stupid. It actually is. It's so

00:57:57.400 stupid that I would love for you to print that article. So I can then show you, you know, eight,

00:58:02.840 8,000 pictures of my life. And here's me pregnant. And here's my husband. And here's me in high school

00:58:07.400 as a cheerleader. And here's me like, this is what I would do. If someone was like canceled as a man,

00:58:11.000 I'd be like, please publish it, please publish it. So I can just like go live and just show

00:58:15.320 how completely asinine this is. It's the exact opposite. And so, yeah, I think there is, um,

00:58:22.520 for me, just a, a very simple, I guess you just get quicker because I understand the equation of

00:58:27.240 mainstream media. It's a mathematical equation that's not, hasn't been disrupted of how they

00:58:31.960 deal with something that they want to cover, right. As opposed to something that they want to report on.

00:58:36.120 It's again, because of the way in which a story like that has been handled, the way in which it's

00:58:44.920 not really been responded to, it's as though everyone's just waiting for it to go away.

00:58:49.960 Postpartum psychosis.

00:58:52.280 Just, let's just, exactly. It draws attention to the, there's increasingly, one gets a sense that the

00:59:01.640 people at the top of power that we can see, you know, the visible people, the heads of state,

00:59:06.840 the presidents, the prime ministers, they increasingly look like an odd squad.

00:59:13.240 You know, and you look at, you know, I, I, I listen to people, you know, you know,

00:59:16.840 talk about the, the, the reality of the people in Congress in the United States of America.

00:59:22.120 And it sounds as if you'd have to hunt high and low to, you know, to find people that were just

00:59:26.360 living normal family life. You know, the, the, the Brigitte Macron story, it, it just, it,

00:59:33.800 it nudges inquiring minds in the direction of thinking that there's a lot of strangeness

00:59:41.640 at this level of society where really a person might be expecting almost paragons of virtue,

00:59:48.200 or, or at the very least people just living regular family lives, but people living regular

00:59:52.520 family lives at that, at that elevated level are few and far between. And our, our attention's

00:59:59.400 been drawn to it, hasn't it? It has. And I think we're now dealing

01:00:03.400 with the fact that there are a lot of perverts in power. And then you start to ask yourself

01:00:07.960 rationally, like, why would they want to have a pervert in power? Like, why would you want to

01:00:11.800 empower someone? Why would you want to keep this secret? Isn't it easier to just go find a regular

01:00:16.360 guy and have him become president? And the answer is because once you know someone's perversions,

01:00:21.320 you control them. That's the obvious thing. And so if we, if, if we accept that the people that are

01:00:26.120 in power are not actually in power, and now we fully accept that in America, like there's no one

01:00:30.120 in the entire world who legitimately believes that Joe Biden is running the country. There's no one in

01:00:34.440 the world that believes that, right? So then you have to come to terms with someone else is running the

01:00:38.680 country, right? So there was someone else that was running the country for four years as this man was

01:00:43.000 in full mental decline. And when you ask that question, then suddenly big, bad, evil Putin sitting

01:00:48.760 across from Tucker Carlson, almost like laughing at Tucker when he asks a question about like,

01:00:55.720 did you and the president have a conversation? And he's like, I don't deal with the president.

01:00:59.000 I deal with the CIA, right? He's like, he's like, this is what are you a little boy?

01:01:03.320 I don't care about who your president is. I'm dealing with the CIA. And that's why they didn't

01:01:07.240 want that conversation to happen because they need people to believe in this illusion that like this

01:01:11.480 person that is in power really has power. There's no power. There's a hand behind these people

01:01:16.200 telling them what to do, telling them when to lock down their citizens, telling them

01:01:21.240 what they must do. And they respond to it because typically there is some perverted story. I mean,

01:01:27.760 Joe Biden being another example, the media wouldn't touch. And then the FBI swooped in

01:01:32.880 when Ashley's diaries, his daughter, her diaries were revealed to the public. And she said she had

01:01:38.540 inappropriate showers with her dad when she was a child. Could you imagine if that was Trump and that

01:01:44.740 was Ivanka's diary? That ought to have been problematic.

01:01:48.560 That should have been problematic.

01:01:49.900 That should have been problematic. Yeah.

01:01:51.620 Yes. Okay. It's disgusting. So what are the implications here? Same two for Hunter Biden's

01:01:56.460 laptop. There was, and I shared this on my Twitter and got my Twitter account locked out because,

01:02:02.000 and this was before Elon Musk was running Twitter, because there was a text chain, which still has not

01:02:08.440 been reported on the media from that laptop in which Hunter Biden is in a panic speaking to his

01:02:13.780 parents because his niece is saying like that there was incest, that there was some sort of a sexual

01:02:20.320 relationship. No reporting from the public on that. Hunter Biden smoking crack on a laptop and they all

01:02:28.620 collude to pretend at first that the laptop is Russian disinformation and the entire intelligence

01:02:34.240 agencies, like what, 75 of them signed a letter saying it was Russian disinformation at the time.

01:02:39.160 And then they put that family in power with plausible incest and plausible, inappropriate,

01:02:47.720 you know, alleged from her own, her own writing about inappropriate showers with her dad that she

01:02:53.320 says sexualized her early on. What does that signal to you? Now you couple that with the Brigitte

01:02:58.200 McCrone story. You couple that with what we know about Barack Obama, which the Daily Mail published,

01:03:03.480 you know, his college letters about his homosexual affairs, and he's admitted that he was on drugs.

01:03:09.380 What's going on here? Why don't we just have like a regular person in power?

01:03:14.540 When I was, when I was asking about, you know, you know, where, what might be the next step on the,

01:03:19.840 on the, on the staircase? I, I, the level, the extent of the child trafficking, let's just,

01:03:29.360 let's just bracket that enormous appalling thought with child trafficking, everything that that implies,

01:03:38.160 that the scale of that, that's already apparent to which the state establishment and mainstream media

01:03:47.140 blind eye is being turned. I found, I find impossible to ignore now. The reality that the trafficking of

01:03:57.200 children on a global scale is an appalling fact of life and that it may well underpin

01:04:05.680 everything else we're worried about in terms of abuse of people and abuse of power.

01:04:12.440 Yes, that, that is happening on a global scale. You are correct. And so, and this is what I talk

01:04:17.860 about where then you have the media trying to tell you that Pabal Darab, the reason why they're going

01:04:22.600 after him is because they're concerned about child sex trafficking and drug trafficking and like the,

01:04:28.080 the Tate brothers, you know, is because they're worried about human trafficking. This is a joke

01:04:33.400 when weighed against the fact that the biggest drug traffickers, the biggest child sex, human sex

01:04:39.040 traffickers in the entire world are your government. What do you think they're doing in all these wars

01:04:43.480 when these children just go missing? And it's, it's, it's so, like I said, it's such a huge step

01:04:49.520 for people to recognize that. And, and like I said, I'm here to just give them a seed here and

01:04:54.800 a seed there. Like here is irrefutable proof of this. And don't you find that strange? And I know

01:04:59.700 that inevitably they will arrive at the step that you're talking about where you realize, could it

01:05:04.300 be this sinister? The answer is yes, it is that sinister. Your government is involved in unspeakably

01:05:11.340 evil organization or organizations. Like I even think half of the ones that were led to celebrate

01:05:18.560 and to back our operations. Like I don't even trust when you're donating money to various organizations

01:05:27.200 after a hurricane. I mean, what happened in Haiti after that hurricane where organizations came in and

01:05:33.220 children were trafficked. And I don't know, I, I, I know for a fact, the government was aware of that.

01:05:40.080 And so I just, I, I just, you know, it's difficult to grapple with, but like I said,

01:05:46.560 the awakening is upon us. And I think that many people are in fact grappling with these facts today.

01:05:52.660 I, I find, I don't know what to do with that thought. That's what, because I'm, you know,

01:05:58.180 I'm freely admit I've emerged from, you know, five decades of naive trust in authority and now

01:06:05.360 four years, five years, six years, whatever. I'm now contemplating global organized trafficking of

01:06:13.600 children, which I can't think of anything that would make a planet, a civilization harder to have

01:06:23.940 faith in ever again. If in, if in our lifetimes, we've been unaware of, and ignorance is no defense,

01:06:34.600 global trafficking, abuse and murder of the most vulnerable among us. I don't know what to do with

01:06:42.700 that thought. I don't know where to go with it because the information is out there. And yet the

01:06:48.420 very organizations that, that we ought to be able to turn to, to confront that and do something about

01:06:54.120 it would appear to be the organizations that are driving it. I don't know what to do with that

01:07:00.660 thought. Well, the first thing you do is that you decide that you're not going to be quiet about it,

01:07:05.700 right? You, you, you, you decide that neither cowardice or greed is going to stop you from sharing

01:07:14.200 that fact. Right. And then I think you, once you know that you can contribute that truth,

01:07:20.740 that truth to the masses, you also have to develop your spiritual faith. Like you really do. I'm

01:07:28.060 telling you, because I have such a positive perspective. And I know right when I became

01:07:33.880 Catholic, I, a priest said to me when I was on a pilgrimage, the thing about being Catholic is you're

01:07:38.840 going to be persecuted over and over and over again, but you're going to be happy. And I know

01:07:45.120 exactly what he means now. I just know exactly what he means because I have not faced more persecution

01:07:49.880 than when I started speaking out for children. When I started speaking out for basic morality,

01:07:54.740 like it's not okay to murder children. It's not okay to sex traffic. It's not okay to support these

01:08:00.520 groups that are trying to convince you that it is okay. And yet I'm happy because I know I have

01:08:07.080 that faith perspective. I know, but in the end we win. And right now, even though it doesn't feel

01:08:12.000 like it, we are in the middle of winning. We are, we are in the middle of winning. The panic is a

01:08:17.260 signal that they've lost control. And so I just also want to tell people like you take, it's like

01:08:24.340 at first you take the red pill, then you take the black pill, which is like, it's all doom. And like,

01:08:31.100 how are we going to move forward? And then you take the white pill. I think that, I think I can still

01:08:35.440 taste the black pill. I went through that. That was me. I would say last year. And then I took the

01:08:40.920 white pill and I just know how this ends. And I know that we're in the middle of seeing it. And in,

01:08:46.540 in the end, goodness wins. It's inevitable because goodness is truth. A lie cannot defeat the truth

01:08:52.280 in a fight. Where did you get your white pill? So to speak. Well, my husband, uh, and that was a part

01:09:01.380 of God's plan. You know, my husband is incredibly faithful. He was raised in London. And while he

01:09:08.040 was, I know you guys say reading theology, you read theology, right? We say majoring in theology,

01:09:14.020 he was drawn towards the Catholic faith and converted. And when we got married, he just got

01:09:20.400 very deep into faith. And I was not a Catholic. And I was just kind of like, why is this guy going to

01:09:25.300 church every day? Like he brought me out of curiosity for a piece of my husband. Like the, you know,

01:09:30.880 there was like a mystery happening there that I like, why are you so compelled? Uh, and I then

01:09:37.360 once I historically and politically realized that it's always been a holy war, then I wanted,

01:09:43.520 I started thinking about how I've always had this perspective of Catholics that was ingrained in me.

01:09:47.480 And that followed that same formula of realizing, well, but usually the thing that they're insisting

01:09:52.440 on, that it's probably the exact opposite. And then I spent some time at the Brompton Oratory,

01:09:56.780 uh, with priests asking every question, playing devil's advocate, like, I guess,

01:10:03.260 advocating for the devil asking, well, the Catholics are this, everything that you expect

01:10:06.660 and realized what a, how amazingly rich, how they had kept, like I said, the light on for history,

01:10:14.020 the light on for Christians for a very long time. And I just remember feeling as I was going every day

01:10:19.100 and spending hours, the Brompton Oratory, a lightness that I, I, I was so loathe to leave

01:10:24.460 England. I had never felt more clarity, more excitement, like knowing finally why God gave me

01:10:31.260 my platform. Even that to me was a mystery. And I realized this is why I have a platform. Like this

01:10:36.240 is the big one. And so it's, it's just been an amazing journey. And I owe it to my husband. I owe it

01:10:43.140 to the priests. I owe it to my strong family units. And I know that in the end, we're going to win.

01:10:49.440 And I'm, I'm even injecting you right now with a little bit of, of the white pill. You're, this is

01:10:53.320 probably your very earliest. It's going to be tempting. And then you'll be at the Brompton Oratory

01:10:57.980 and you're going to be great.

01:11:01.260 Candice, that, that conversation, I never really have a direction in mind, but I, you know, that,

01:11:07.080 that definitely, uh, meandered and, and, and we've ended up at a destination I was not expecting,

01:11:12.720 but that's always, that's always special. It's always a treat. So, um, I hope we can

01:11:17.620 continue, uh, having conversations, but I feel an hour and several minutes, more than an hour.

01:11:25.140 I've taken up more than enough of your time. Thank you for being so generous with your time.

01:11:30.300 And I will look forward to when we meet again, Candice Owens.

01:11:34.040 Thank you so much. And don't forget in the end, we will win. I promise.

01:11:38.820 I'll hold you to that.

01:11:42.720 I'll hold you to that.

Candace Owens - October 10, 2024

Neil Oliver Interviews Candace Owens

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