Candace Owens - Piers Morgan x Candace Owens

00:00:00.000 All right, guys, I'm really excited about this

00:00:01.680 because everybody sees him on the internet.

00:00:03.600 He's always interviewing people.

00:00:04.720 He's quite controversial, but not really controversial

00:00:06.840 because he just hosts the controversies.

00:00:09.400 He's like a Jerry Springer of YouTube.

00:00:11.560 It's been very, very effective.

00:00:14.280 Piers Morgan, welcome to Candace.

00:00:15.620 Oh, it's great to be here.

00:00:16.720 I used to love Jerry Springer.

00:00:18.360 I actually did America's Got Talent with Jerry Springer.

00:00:20.780 I was a judge.

00:00:21.620 He was the host.

00:00:22.720 We both lived at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel in Los Angeles,

00:00:26.280 and we used to lie by the pool on our sandbates

00:00:28.840 and plot global domination together.

00:00:30.880 So I take that as a great compliment.

00:00:32.120 You should.

00:00:32.620 I was shocked when I learned that he was a Brit.

00:00:35.300 Well, not only that, was he born here during the Second World War,

00:00:39.020 by the way, during the Blitz in one of the subway tunnels.

00:00:43.560 Jerry was a fascinating guy.

00:00:44.660 He was the mayor of Cincinnati.

00:00:46.540 He was a TV series news anchor for many years,

00:00:49.680 and then he got asked by the network,

00:00:51.460 can you just do this pilot for this crazy new show?

00:00:53.780 He didn't really want to do it.

00:00:55.140 But he did it, and it became so unbelievably successful

00:00:58.960 and made so many hundreds of millions of dollars,

00:01:01.940 he could never leave it alone.

00:01:02.980 But he used to say to me, it is the worst show on TV,

00:01:05.700 but it's making me unbelievably rich.

00:01:08.140 And it was a fascinating story.

00:01:09.820 He was a really interesting character.

00:01:11.600 Yeah, he's a legend.

00:01:12.520 I mean, you just can't deny it.

00:01:13.480 He did something totally different.

00:01:14.780 And yeah, it was trashy TV,

00:01:16.060 but also we all grew up watching it at some point.

00:01:18.700 And there was an honesty to it,

00:01:19.700 where everyone knew what was going on.

00:01:22.400 And they all went on for a reason, to have their moment.

00:01:25.060 They wanted to have their moment and their story.

00:01:27.460 And here were we to be snobbish enough to say,

00:01:29.000 well, you're not allowed to.

00:01:30.040 We only listen to Beyonce these days.

00:01:31.940 It's like, you know, it was kind of egalitarian.

00:01:34.040 I liked it.

00:01:34.640 Yeah, I agree.

00:01:35.660 So I think the critique that people would have of you

00:01:38.060 is they don't really know what you believe.

00:01:40.000 Like, are you a chronic fence sitter?

00:01:42.460 Do you actually believe anything?

00:01:44.300 Or do your opinions just go this way?

00:01:46.900 To return this little passive-aggressive hand movement.

00:01:50.180 No, I'm a journalist.

00:01:51.800 And what I've realised,

00:01:52.840 especially in the last two or three years,

00:01:55.340 as the YouTube side of what I've done has got bigger and bigger,

00:01:58.080 I've reverted back much more to being a journalist.

00:02:01.600 I don't think journalists should be ideological about the news.

00:02:05.500 I like to have people on who are ideologues, right and left.

00:02:09.360 I like to be the ringmaster to their debates,

00:02:11.800 as you said, the Jerry figure, if you like.

00:02:14.020 But I've become far less, probably in my head,

00:02:19.020 far less inclined to position myself to left or right.

00:02:22.240 If you'd asked me three, four years ago,

00:02:24.320 I would have said, look, my natural politics

00:02:25.800 are probably a little less a centre.

00:02:29.040 But the woke left has been so insane

00:02:31.320 that rather like Bill Maher,

00:02:33.620 I now get identified by the left as conservative

00:02:36.120 because actually I'm just not prepared

00:02:38.420 to entertain any of the woke madness.

00:02:40.260 And in that process, the pendulum of my personal politics

00:02:44.280 has probably shifted much more central,

00:02:46.920 if not slightly centre-right.

00:02:48.600 But if you ask me what I am,

00:02:50.460 I don't say a conservative or liberal

00:02:52.920 or any of these things now.

00:02:53.900 I say I'm a journalist

00:02:54.760 and my job is to actually hold everyone to account.

00:02:57.960 And I think we do that in a way

00:02:59.400 that's actually reasonably unique now

00:03:01.360 in the world that we're in.

00:03:03.860 I'm the one that holds all these big debates.

00:03:05.820 They get very fiery, but we get everybody on.

00:03:08.240 And I like that.

00:03:08.860 I actually think you are doing a tremendous job.

00:03:11.360 I have to say that.

00:03:12.140 I wasn't so keen on peers four years ago,

00:03:14.280 but I think this year you have actually proven yourself

00:03:16.440 to be very even, just hosting both sides,

00:03:19.120 allowing both people to speak

00:03:20.400 and not giving into sort of the ad hominem attacks,

00:03:24.000 the things that are dismissive.

00:03:24.960 Like you will call out someone and say,

00:03:27.280 this is not debating.

00:03:28.680 You're just calling this person names.

00:03:30.900 So you-

00:03:31.300 I also know like someone like you, for example, right?

00:03:33.720 People ask about you and they say,

00:03:36.020 well, she's this, this, this, and this.

00:03:37.120 What I've learned is don't necessarily buy into those narratives.

00:03:41.280 Go and actually do your own research.

00:03:42.720 Work out what these people actually said.

00:03:44.880 See the context in which they said it.

00:03:46.880 See what their explanation was for why they said it.

00:03:49.440 Often leads you to a very different conclusion

00:03:51.480 than the ones that people like to easily pigeonhole people into.

00:03:55.460 And that, again, is something I've had to learn.

00:03:57.700 I used to be very judgmental,

00:03:59.700 as a newspaper editor in particular.

00:04:01.140 And I think I've tried to be less judgmental now.

00:04:04.380 I'll have lots of opinions,

00:04:05.980 but when it comes to individuals in particular,

00:04:08.420 let me just find out myself.

00:04:10.340 And I think that is a healthy thing to do

00:04:12.500 in a world where there's a lot of ad hominem,

00:04:15.120 a lot of twisting going on,

00:04:16.900 a lot of little cuts that appear.

00:04:18.300 I see it myself about me.

00:04:20.240 And I often say to people,

00:04:21.540 I know you think I'm really controversial,

00:04:23.800 but what is the view of mine that you find most controversial?

00:04:26.840 And when they try and answer,

00:04:28.980 they really struggle

00:04:29.860 because all they've seen is me on TikTok

00:04:32.460 and someone shouting and blah, blah, blah.

00:04:34.060 They haven't actually listened to what my views are.

00:04:36.580 That's exactly right.

00:04:37.700 And I think we saw that definitely.

00:04:39.620 I know I defended you on my show a long time ago

00:04:41.620 when everything went down and you got fired

00:04:44.060 and the media was spitting this as if you were a racist.

00:04:46.680 I mean, it's a good point.

00:04:47.760 All of the things that you could have said about Piers Morgan,

00:04:49.920 I was like, okay, he's suddenly a racist now.

00:04:52.580 It was so preposterous.

00:04:53.500 And in fact, worse than what happened to me

00:04:55.700 was what happened to Sharon Osbourne,

00:04:57.800 if you remember, at The Talk,

00:04:59.460 where Cheryl Underwood,

00:05:01.040 and the show's now being canned, I'm pleased to say,

00:05:03.860 because it really died that day when they did this,

00:05:06.240 because it's a show called The Talk.

00:05:07.740 You're supposed to be allowed to talk.

00:05:09.060 Sharon just supported me.

00:05:10.320 She didn't even say she agreed with what I said about Meghan Markle,

00:05:13.240 although now, ironically,

00:05:15.140 I'd have been fired for saying the complete opposite.

00:05:17.660 If I said I believed Meghan Markle after the Oprah interview,

00:05:20.480 people would now fire me for believing Pinocchio, right?

00:05:23.500 So at the time,

00:05:24.880 it seemed so contentious and outrageous to disbelieve her

00:05:28.200 or to think a lot of what she was saying

00:05:30.000 couldn't possibly be true.

00:05:31.980 Now it doesn't seem that way.

00:05:33.580 But Sharon, all she did was say,

00:05:35.340 I support Piers.

00:05:36.240 We've been friends for a long time.

00:05:37.280 We worked again on America's Got Talent with Jerry.

00:05:39.940 And she was just showing a bit of loyalty to me

00:05:42.300 without actually getting into what I'd said.

00:05:44.740 And then Sharon Osbourne was,

00:05:45.520 what, even supporting with these racist things he said?

00:05:48.220 Hang on, hang on.

00:05:49.980 What racist thing did he say?

00:05:52.260 And it all blew up.

00:05:53.820 She got blindsided.

00:05:55.140 And she got fired from a talker,

00:05:57.020 a job she loved,

00:05:58.200 for having the audacity to support me,

00:06:00.980 even though everyone knew I hadn't said a racist thing.

00:06:03.860 Not one word.

00:06:05.160 Cheryl London couldn't actually say what it was

00:06:07.000 I was supposed to have said that was racist.

00:06:08.860 It was utterly shameful of CBS

00:06:11.200 to do what they did to Sharon that day.

00:06:12.860 And the fallout from that whole Oprah interview,

00:06:15.460 if you watch the whole sequence of events,

00:06:17.060 really a shocking attack on freedom of speech

00:06:20.160 is really what it came down to.

00:06:21.820 You could say something right now,

00:06:23.480 I'm entitled to say, I don't believe you.

00:06:25.640 And you're entitled to say,

00:06:27.180 well, I'm right because boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

00:06:29.540 But the idea that your first reaction is,

00:06:31.620 if you don't believe me, you're racist

00:06:33.440 because I'm not white.

00:06:37.000 Sorry, what?

00:06:38.780 That's the criteria.

00:06:40.000 I'm not allowed to disbelieve you

00:06:41.400 because of your skin color.

00:06:42.700 That's how preposterous it was.

00:06:44.840 You know what?

00:06:45.420 It's really interesting because obviously

00:06:47.340 I kind of made my mark as a black woman

00:06:49.500 who was anti-BLM from the very beginning

00:06:51.140 because I saw this.

00:06:52.060 I saw this budding and people who sort of

00:06:55.380 were taking this perspective

00:06:56.380 that black people became untouchable

00:06:57.920 after the George Floyd.

00:06:59.420 They're allowed to steal a flat screen TV from Target.

00:07:01.680 You can't criticize that.

00:07:02.700 And if you do, it's because you're a racist,

00:07:04.120 not because you have some basic dignity and morals.

00:07:07.760 But I'm seeing the same thing now.

00:07:10.220 It kind of has changed definitely post-October 7th.

00:07:13.180 And I've seen those same accusations

00:07:15.400 where it's like, okay,

00:07:16.560 well, if you're critiquing this foreign nation

00:07:18.280 in Bibi Netanyahu,

00:07:19.540 of course, none of us would want our Jewish friends

00:07:22.020 to be harassed.

00:07:22.900 But it's the same exact same woke game of, well...

00:07:26.860 If you criticize the Israeli government,

00:07:28.620 you must be anti-Semitic.

00:07:29.780 Yeah, you hate Jews.

00:07:30.620 And it works the other way too.

00:07:31.880 I see it on both sides.

00:07:33.320 But this is where we've got to.

00:07:34.600 And it's the same with the trans debate

00:07:36.580 about trans athletes in women's sport.

00:07:38.560 We may get to that.

00:07:39.680 But I felt very strongly about that.

00:07:41.420 Any attempt to challenge the accepted view

00:07:45.460 that this is fair and rational

00:07:46.920 to allow biological men to put their hands up,

00:07:50.940 say they're women in competing women's sport,

00:07:52.900 and hammer women into the ground,

00:07:55.340 literally with their fists in boxing rings

00:07:57.620 in the Olympics.

00:07:58.520 The idea that if you do that,

00:07:59.600 you are transphobic,

00:08:01.040 that you have a hatred of trans people,

00:08:02.560 I just find completely outrageous.

00:08:05.480 And it's being used more and more

00:08:06.940 by the woke left as a form of,

00:08:10.020 as Elon calls it,

00:08:11.680 a form of communism, really.

00:08:13.280 This is communism at bay.

00:08:15.120 I call it fascism.

00:08:16.100 It's the same kind of thing in the sense of

00:08:17.720 it's a group of militant people

00:08:19.520 who are trying to shut down any dissent,

00:08:22.360 trying to make everyone see the world

00:08:24.140 through their narrow prism,

00:08:25.780 be it communism or fascism.

00:08:27.320 It's the same mindset.

00:08:28.460 And we will destroy people

00:08:30.460 who do not conform to what we have laid down

00:08:33.140 is the new rule book for life.

00:08:35.240 And people who believe in freedom of speech

00:08:37.240 and freedom of democracy,

00:08:38.380 you have to fight this with every inch of your life.

00:08:41.200 Because if we don't,

00:08:42.420 we will go down that path of communism,

00:08:45.020 of fascism,

00:08:45.700 of that control world that they want.

00:08:48.720 And that way madness lies.

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00:09:50.680 You know, actually going back

00:09:52.140 to your point about Sharon,

00:09:53.700 the peer pressure

00:09:55.060 that you're speaking about at the top

00:09:56.500 is it's really important

00:09:57.300 to speak to this

00:09:58.040 because in a way

00:09:59.300 you either conform

00:10:00.300 or you get fired

00:10:01.140 once you get to a certain level in life.

00:10:04.300 And we obviously saw this with you.

00:10:06.160 It's like either

00:10:06.720 you say good things

00:10:08.080 about Meghan Markle

00:10:08.800 because right now

00:10:09.640 we're at the tail end of BLM

00:10:10.660 and you can't insult a woman

00:10:11.720 who doesn't even,

00:10:13.340 if I'm looking objectively,

00:10:14.420 look black.

00:10:15.300 I wouldn't have guessed

00:10:16.220 she was black

00:10:16.640 if she didn't offer it.

00:10:18.060 But you're seeing that

00:10:19.760 with Sharon Osbourne.

00:10:20.540 It's like, okay,

00:10:20.940 well, you now have to make a decision.

00:10:22.200 Are you going to be

00:10:22.860 a decent human being

00:10:23.780 and a good friend

00:10:24.420 and be honest about the fact

00:10:25.780 that you know this man,

00:10:26.680 you've known him for years

00:10:27.400 and he's not a racist

00:10:28.480 or are you going to say,

00:10:29.960 well, you know,

00:10:30.560 Pierce shouldn't have said the thing.

00:10:32.760 Peace of your soul dies

00:10:33.940 but at least you get

00:10:34.520 to keep your career.

00:10:35.620 We're seeing people

00:10:36.420 confronted with that.

00:10:37.840 Well, I was told

00:10:38.520 very categorically by ITV here

00:10:40.960 who are the NBC of the UK.

00:10:44.540 They said, look,

00:10:45.300 if you apologize

00:10:46.060 for disbelieving her,

00:10:48.220 you can keep your job.

00:10:50.220 And I said,

00:10:51.080 well, I'm not going to do that

00:10:52.060 which I think they probably knew

00:10:53.700 and I literally left

00:10:54.920 that afternoon.

00:10:55.840 I mean, it was a fated complete.

00:10:56.920 You apologize,

00:10:58.040 you keep the job.

00:10:58.700 In other words,

00:10:59.140 you grovel,

00:11:00.220 you grovel to Meghan Markle

00:11:01.740 who unbeknown to me

00:11:03.080 had written a personal letter

00:11:04.680 to the chief executive

00:11:06.120 of the company

00:11:06.720 who was a woman

00:11:07.360 and had said to her,

00:11:08.840 I write to you as a woman

00:11:10.180 and as a mother.

00:11:11.440 You have to fire him.

00:11:12.660 And I wasn't told that

00:11:14.460 in the deliberations

00:11:15.540 that went on that day.

00:11:16.820 Had I known that,

00:11:17.960 I would have gone public

00:11:18.880 with the whole thing

00:11:19.540 and had a very different

00:11:20.240 argument with them.

00:11:21.160 I would have just dug

00:11:21.780 my heels in and went,

00:11:22.780 you're going to really allow

00:11:23.540 this duchess to decide

00:11:24.740 who works at ITV.

00:11:26.420 I only found this out

00:11:27.600 after the event,

00:11:28.560 two days later.

00:11:29.440 That would have changed

00:11:30.360 how things played out

00:11:31.200 quite significantly.

00:11:32.140 But what was interesting was

00:11:32.920 in the moment,

00:11:33.940 it was also February,

00:11:35.400 it was kind of chaotic

00:11:36.600 and mayhem

00:11:37.360 and it was leading the news

00:11:38.220 and everything else.

00:11:39.200 And I just remember

00:11:40.360 it turned on a dime

00:11:42.080 in about 24 hours.

00:11:43.680 I began walking around,

00:11:44.900 I felt like the Pied Piper.

00:11:46.480 There were literally people,

00:11:48.020 bus drivers tooting horns,

00:11:49.600 cab drivers cheering me,

00:11:51.240 public coming across roads

00:11:52.800 to hug me,

00:11:53.940 to shake my hand

00:11:54.760 because they understood

00:11:56.020 that actually what it was about

00:11:57.380 was a battle for free speech.

00:11:59.080 And they understood

00:12:00.080 that if you want to be

00:12:00.920 actually British,

00:12:02.140 or American obviously,

00:12:02.980 but if you want to be British,

00:12:04.320 actually you've got to fight

00:12:05.320 for free speech.

00:12:06.100 This is what Churchill

00:12:07.180 fought the Nazis about,

00:12:09.240 freedom and democracy

00:12:10.940 and free speech.

00:12:12.100 People lost their lives

00:12:13.080 on battlefields

00:12:14.200 so that we have the right

00:12:15.380 to actually exercise

00:12:16.840 our right to free speech.

00:12:18.320 And this played really strongly

00:12:19.940 with the public.

00:12:20.540 I had a book out,

00:12:21.480 it had just come out.

00:12:22.980 I remember it was like

00:12:23.660 number 2000

00:12:24.380 on the Amazon chart

00:12:25.660 just the first few days.

00:12:26.840 It went to number one

00:12:27.620 in three days

00:12:28.600 and it stayed there for weeks

00:12:30.260 and sold a huge amount of copies

00:12:32.380 because the book

00:12:32.980 was called Wake Up

00:12:33.940 and it was a clarion call

00:12:35.420 to the liberal left

00:12:36.660 to wake up

00:12:37.940 and stop this woke madness

00:12:39.520 before it was too late.

00:12:41.120 And I'm almost going to do

00:12:42.040 another book going,

00:12:42.860 told you, right?

00:12:44.080 Because you look at the scale

00:12:45.100 of Trump's win

00:12:45.760 in the US election

00:12:46.740 and one of the reasons

00:12:48.860 was cost of living,

00:12:49.760 obviously,

00:12:50.120 one was illegal immigration.

00:12:51.800 But a third big plank

00:12:53.300 of this

00:12:53.780 was the basic destruction

00:12:56.160 of the woke mind virus.

00:12:58.000 They brought in a vaccine

00:12:59.020 called Trump

00:12:59.780 and Elon Musk,

00:13:01.380 you know,

00:13:01.640 who basically,

00:13:02.180 I know you won't like

00:13:02.760 the analogy to a vaccine,

00:13:03.800 but they vaccinated

00:13:05.180 the woke mind virus

00:13:07.200 in spectacular fashion.

00:13:09.500 And a lot of young men

00:13:10.700 in particular went,

00:13:11.580 I'm just done with this.

00:13:13.000 I'm sorry.

00:13:13.600 I'm just done with this crap.

00:13:15.140 It's not based on fact.

00:13:16.700 I'm not going to be bullied anymore

00:13:18.120 into going along

00:13:18.680 with this nonsense

00:13:19.320 and I'm going to exercise

00:13:21.140 my right to freedom

00:13:22.100 and freedom of speech

00:13:23.380 and freedom of thought

00:13:24.200 and expression.

00:13:25.380 And I think that was

00:13:26.020 a really important part

00:13:27.040 of that election, actually.

00:13:28.080 I'm very glad

00:13:29.280 to have seen it.

00:13:30.400 I've just noticed

00:13:31.120 some things,

00:13:31.880 being someone that's married

00:13:32.760 to an Englishman,

00:13:33.380 that there are these

00:13:34.340 slight differences

00:13:35.140 across the pond

00:13:35.960 and it's hard for people

00:13:36.820 to really understand

00:13:37.740 what those differences are.

00:13:39.340 But there is no battle

00:13:41.000 for free speech

00:13:41.960 in the UK,

00:13:42.480 I would say.

00:13:43.340 It's already lost

00:13:44.360 and I think that's why

00:13:45.220 you're a very interesting character

00:13:47.240 because you're quite American,

00:13:49.420 whatever I would say,

00:13:50.200 spiritually,

00:13:50.980 I would say you're American

00:13:51.800 in that you kind of

00:13:53.420 take the fight to the front,

00:13:54.940 you'll stand by your principles

00:13:56.040 and British society

00:13:57.580 can be quite complacent,

00:13:59.620 I would almost say.

00:14:00.520 They prefer to be polite

00:14:01.720 rather than to fight.

00:14:03.360 And what we're seeing

00:14:04.360 happening here now

00:14:05.460 in terms of speech,

00:14:07.200 what's happening

00:14:07.640 with Keir Starmer,

00:14:09.100 the censorship

00:14:10.460 that's being called for,

00:14:12.580 it's quite appalling

00:14:13.600 but I don't really understand

00:14:14.900 in the fabric of England

00:14:17.720 how it's possible

00:14:19.200 to change that

00:14:19.860 or go the other direction.

00:14:21.060 We have a very strong

00:14:22.160 establishment in this country

00:14:23.940 which is a bit of an anathema

00:14:25.360 to Americans

00:14:26.100 that really understand it.

00:14:27.880 It comes down

00:14:28.300 from the royal family,

00:14:29.180 from a sense of class

00:14:32.540 that we have in this country,

00:14:33.600 of privilege,

00:14:34.240 of wealth,

00:14:35.280 going back to the wealthy landowners

00:14:37.040 who ruled the roost

00:14:37.900 and the peasants

00:14:38.520 were all doing

00:14:39.060 all the hard graft

00:14:40.380 and it's not like that anymore

00:14:41.740 but certainly there's still

00:14:42.700 this sense of the establishment

00:14:44.000 and if you dare

00:14:45.200 to take on the establishment

00:14:46.400 then you can end up

00:14:47.900 in very hot water

00:14:49.100 very quickly

00:14:49.760 and people here

00:14:51.300 are probably naturally

00:14:52.240 slightly more polite

00:14:53.120 than Americans

00:14:53.980 about these things,

00:14:55.340 slightly more reverential.

00:14:56.480 We still doff our cap

00:14:58.000 to the monarchy

00:14:58.500 which you all find

00:14:59.320 completely absurd

00:15:00.320 but I always think

00:15:01.740 if it hadn't been

00:15:02.220 for Mad King George III

00:15:03.440 you would still have a monarchy

00:15:04.820 and you might even have

00:15:05.540 King Pears

00:15:06.080 and wouldn't things be better

00:15:07.400 for America if you did?

00:15:09.280 But I think the,

00:15:10.880 yeah, I think it's a fair criticism

00:15:12.100 that Americans do tend

00:15:13.280 to have that.

00:15:14.480 That's why I think

00:15:15.080 one of the great moments

00:15:15.920 of the election for Trump

00:15:16.860 was the fight, fight, fight

00:15:18.000 when he got shot

00:15:18.720 was that instinctive

00:15:20.400 combative streak of fight.

00:15:22.360 We are a nation

00:15:23.300 of fighters here too

00:15:24.260 but we've been battered

00:15:25.660 into submission

00:15:26.500 particularly on issues

00:15:27.720 like free speech.

00:15:28.620 I feel very uncomfortable

00:15:29.600 when I see people,

00:15:31.560 you know, grandmothers

00:15:32.320 being rounded up

00:15:33.140 and put in prison

00:15:33.700 for something they put

00:15:34.200 on Facebook.

00:15:35.040 Even if what they're putting

00:15:35.980 is offensive

00:15:36.480 and horrible and vile

00:15:37.620 actually, as Churchill

00:15:39.660 himself said,

00:15:40.500 the thing about free speech

00:15:42.180 is it's not listening

00:15:43.580 to stuff that you agree with.

00:15:44.840 It's about the ability

00:15:46.060 to hear things

00:15:46.680 you really don't agree with

00:15:47.960 vehemently

00:15:48.780 but accepting that someone's

00:15:50.320 right to free speech.

00:15:51.280 Now, I get there are lines

00:15:53.320 about incitement

00:15:54.080 to hatred and violence.

00:15:55.120 Of course there are.

00:15:56.000 But really, old people

00:15:57.440 gobbing off on Facebook,

00:15:59.700 they're going to prison.

00:16:00.680 When you think about

00:16:01.520 types of people

00:16:02.160 who don't go to prison

00:16:03.080 these days,

00:16:03.980 I think a lot of people

00:16:04.880 in Britain feel uncomfortable

00:16:05.960 about this creeping censorship.

00:16:08.520 And as someone

00:16:09.040 who lost his job,

00:16:10.160 big job here,

00:16:11.340 over a really crude example

00:16:12.760 of censorship,

00:16:13.760 that's an example

00:16:14.440 where ironically

00:16:15.200 the UK regulator

00:16:17.540 for television,

00:16:18.200 which again,

00:16:18.900 Americans wouldn't understand

00:16:19.700 what that concept is

00:16:20.920 but we have a television

00:16:22.120 regulator called Ofcom

00:16:23.360 who regulate how people

00:16:24.860 can behave on the airways.

00:16:26.440 They ended up finding

00:16:27.540 in my favour

00:16:28.200 and said that

00:16:28.760 had I not been able

00:16:30.060 to say what I said

00:16:30.860 that day on Good Morning Britain

00:16:32.140 about Meghan Markle,

00:16:33.740 it would have been

00:16:34.240 a chilling infringement

00:16:35.200 of my free speech rights.

00:16:37.120 But why is a media company

00:16:38.380 having to be told that

00:16:39.360 by the television regulator?

00:16:41.180 Completely bizarre.

00:16:42.660 So I do think

00:16:43.360 that you have

00:16:43.960 the First Amendment,

00:16:45.000 which is an amazingly

00:16:46.340 strong and powerful tool.

00:16:47.640 and I think

00:16:49.640 that we lack

00:16:50.240 something like that here

00:16:51.300 and I think

00:16:52.100 it's really,

00:16:53.480 Elon Musk has done

00:16:54.480 a lot of stuff

00:16:55.060 on this on X.

00:16:56.320 I don't agree

00:16:56.660 with all of him

00:16:57.200 about what he's saying

00:16:58.280 but I certainly think

00:16:58.880 he's hit onto something

00:17:00.200 which is the natural instinct

00:17:01.600 these days

00:17:02.040 is to censor people

00:17:03.140 and that's a dangerous

00:17:04.840 path to go down.

00:17:06.440 Take me through

00:17:07.320 like your typical day

00:17:08.920 because I think people

00:17:09.560 want to know

00:17:09.880 who you are off the clock

00:17:11.060 because you obviously

00:17:12.300 are very involved,

00:17:13.940 you follow politics,

00:17:14.660 you are definitely

00:17:15.860 giving a platform

00:17:16.520 to people to

00:17:17.200 at least expand their mind

00:17:18.700 even if they don't agree

00:17:19.580 they're hearing

00:17:20.040 different versions of events

00:17:21.220 but who are you

00:17:22.220 actually off the clock?

00:17:23.560 Well, like I said

00:17:24.440 I've been a journalist

00:17:25.000 all my life

00:17:25.600 so I see myself

00:17:27.060 as a news junkie

00:17:29.260 so when I was

00:17:29.840 seven or eight years old

00:17:30.680 we used to get

00:17:31.080 the Daily Mail newspaper

00:17:32.460 just a print paper

00:17:33.560 then obviously

00:17:33.960 and my mum remembers

00:17:35.180 me going through it

00:17:35.760 imagine I'm seven years old

00:17:36.600 going through

00:17:37.220 reading out headlines

00:17:38.240 from the Daily Mail

00:17:38.800 and asking about the story

00:17:39.660 that's not normal

00:17:40.680 so I had it in my blood

00:17:42.460 there were a few journalists

00:17:43.580 on my mother's side

00:17:45.460 in the family

00:17:45.980 and I had this

00:17:48.280 news junkie side to me

00:17:50.120 I had to know

00:17:50.900 what was happening

00:17:51.420 you might call it

00:17:52.420 I'm an inveterate gossip

00:17:53.620 and that's partly

00:17:54.640 to do with

00:17:55.100 wanting to be the first

00:17:56.120 with information

00:17:56.680 and then to tell people

00:17:57.860 what could be more exciting

00:17:59.220 than being the first

00:18:00.020 to know stuff

00:18:00.660 and then imparting it

00:18:01.820 to the world

00:18:02.180 so it was in my blood

00:18:03.640 and even today

00:18:05.360 I get five newspapers

00:18:06.400 through the

00:18:06.920 Every Day on My Doormat

00:18:08.820 and I love that

00:18:09.760 I used to run

00:18:11.000 two big newspapers

00:18:11.860 in the UK

00:18:12.640 two big national papers

00:18:14.660 for ten years

00:18:15.300 and I love the sound

00:18:18.360 of a thud of newspapers

00:18:19.720 which I know

00:18:20.740 sounds very anachronistic

00:18:22.140 to someone

00:18:22.500 who's now a YouTuber

00:18:23.280 and I'm aware

00:18:24.640 that newspapers

00:18:25.320 are basically going

00:18:26.180 out of business

00:18:26.700 and my kids

00:18:28.360 my sons are 31

00:18:29.600 27, 24

00:18:30.700 they don't read

00:18:31.720 print newspapers

00:18:32.500 obviously they just

00:18:33.200 read everything

00:18:33.580 on their phones

00:18:34.460 or whatever it may be

00:18:35.560 so I'm part of

00:18:37.120 a dying generation

00:18:38.100 of people

00:18:38.800 who still like newspapers

00:18:39.700 but I love the thud

00:18:41.020 of five newspapers

00:18:42.700 I get the Times

00:18:43.940 the Telegraph

00:18:44.660 the Daily Mail

00:18:45.440 the Sun

00:18:46.180 and the Financial Times

00:18:47.220 and they hit

00:18:48.560 like a thud

00:18:49.280 and it still gets

00:18:50.480 my juices flowing

00:18:51.600 and it's often early

00:18:52.940 like at five in the morning

00:18:53.960 I get up early

00:18:54.620 I think sleeping is cheating

00:18:55.780 I get up early

00:18:56.940 and I read the paper

00:18:58.280 and I pore over them

00:18:59.440 with my old editor's eye

00:19:00.920 just for seeing

00:19:01.540 what's going on

00:19:02.200 then I'm

00:19:03.300 onto my phone

00:19:04.200 I'm checking

00:19:04.620 all the American sites

00:19:05.760 New York Post

00:19:06.820 New York Times

00:19:07.540 Daily News

00:19:08.280 whatever it may be

00:19:09.100 LA Times

00:19:10.360 I'm checking X

00:19:11.280 obviously see what's going on

00:19:12.080 checking what you're up to

00:19:13.200 what mayhem you're causing

00:19:14.340 and a few of the big people

00:19:15.600 in my space

00:19:16.220 and just seeing who's doing what

00:19:17.200 and what clips are flying around

00:19:18.620 what's trending

00:19:19.200 and so by like seven in the morning

00:19:20.980 I've had a really good snapshot

00:19:22.260 not just of what's happening here

00:19:23.680 which I only do out of habit really

00:19:26.080 because all my material

00:19:27.200 is now aimed to an American audience

00:19:29.080 primarily

00:19:29.580 but I like that

00:19:30.940 I live here most of the time

00:19:32.360 I've got a place in LA

00:19:33.180 and I go to America

00:19:33.920 for three, four months of a year

00:19:35.280 but I still consider this my home

00:19:36.600 but I love to know the news

00:19:38.620 so by 7am

00:19:39.320 I know everything that's happened

00:19:40.460 and I know where I should be thinking

00:19:43.280 about what I should be doing

00:19:44.320 on my show

00:19:44.900 and by then

00:19:46.440 maybe like at 10 o'clock

00:19:48.020 my showrunner Alex

00:19:50.020 will call me

00:19:50.660 and he'll talk me through

00:19:52.360 what the plan is for the show

00:19:53.700 some of the bookings

00:19:54.780 I'll have been involved with

00:19:55.680 others will be new to me

00:19:57.240 we'll have a mixture

00:19:58.140 of one-on-ones and debates

00:19:59.620 today's a classic example

00:20:02.220 we've got you one-on-one

00:20:03.280 we've got Eric Weinstein

00:20:04.520 one-on-one

00:20:05.140 we have a big debate

00:20:06.260 about Israel, Gaza

00:20:07.320 and where we are

00:20:08.200 with all that

00:20:08.760 and bringing in

00:20:10.220 Iran and Ukraine

00:20:13.120 and then we're going to have

00:20:13.880 a big debate about America

00:20:15.120 and probably actually factoring in

00:20:17.640 on Trump

00:20:18.700 and this $15 million payout

00:20:21.000 he got from ABC

00:20:21.780 which is an extraordinary moment

00:20:23.860 for legacy media

00:20:24.720 when they're having to hand

00:20:25.460 Donald Trump

00:20:26.100 a $15 million check

00:20:28.600 for calling him a rapist

00:20:30.060 which is what they've all been doing

00:20:30.920 with impunity for years

00:20:32.120 I think these are kind of

00:20:33.580 fascinating water cooler subjects

00:20:35.740 so that's the day

00:20:36.800 pretty well planned out

00:20:37.860 but as you know

00:20:38.440 anything can happen

00:20:39.440 you know I've been there

00:20:40.580 quietly congratulating myself

00:20:42.120 on a show well done

00:20:43.580 come back home

00:20:44.580 maybe open a bottle of fine

00:20:46.540 French Bordeaux

00:20:47.380 have a little glug

00:20:48.360 and then I hear

00:20:48.880 Trump just got shot

00:20:50.120 and then you know

00:20:51.140 and I know

00:20:51.720 okay well that's the next

00:20:53.220 three weeks gone then

00:20:54.520 and everything changes

00:20:55.780 so I love that again

00:20:56.740 I love the

00:20:57.380 the dynamism of the news

00:20:59.840 where things can change

00:21:01.340 in a heartbeat

00:21:02.020 literally

00:21:02.580 and through the day

00:21:04.780 I'll then keep reading stuff

00:21:06.220 talking to people

00:21:07.100 might you know

00:21:08.060 speak to a few people

00:21:08.880 who've got a particular

00:21:09.620 expert view

00:21:10.400 about any of these issues

00:21:11.400 who get a sense

00:21:12.340 of what they think

00:21:13.240 you're always trying to cut

00:21:14.840 through all the

00:21:15.460 partisan noise

00:21:16.840 and the people

00:21:17.920 on the extremities

00:21:18.740 of debate

00:21:19.300 now the thing about X is

00:21:20.880 I think under Elon

00:21:22.440 might be a bit better now

00:21:23.280 but it used to be

00:21:24.340 that 10% of the people

00:21:25.760 on X made 80% of the noise

00:21:27.480 and you think about that

00:21:29.420 and they're normally

00:21:30.000 skewing to the extremities

00:21:31.260 a lot of extreme noise

00:21:32.820 going on

00:21:33.400 and you need to cut

00:21:34.340 through that

00:21:34.980 and get to an underbelly

00:21:36.100 of more interesting

00:21:37.440 and rational debate

00:21:38.660 where people don't know

00:21:39.160 what they're talking about

00:21:39.880 you might not agree with them

00:21:41.480 but I always want to get a sense

00:21:42.780 like when you and I debate

00:21:43.800 I often think

00:21:44.640 well I don't agree with you

00:21:45.340 but actually it's a really

00:21:46.200 interesting debate

00:21:46.940 right

00:21:47.300 you've put the yards in

00:21:49.100 to formulate your opinion

00:21:50.340 you're not just thinking

00:21:51.460 of the first thing

00:21:52.060 you've seen on TikTok

00:21:52.740 and I think that's

00:21:53.960 they're the type of guests

00:21:54.940 I like

00:21:55.440 if I like it more

00:21:56.380 if I don't agree with them

00:21:57.100 because it's more interesting

00:21:57.940 you're on a little journey

00:21:58.560 of exploration

00:21:59.760 and I also don't like

00:22:01.080 to be now

00:22:02.420 this is not how I used to be

00:22:03.880 used to be very intransigent

00:22:05.620 and we can come to some

00:22:06.440 of my more intransigent moments

00:22:07.820 which I don't look back on

00:22:09.120 in glory

00:22:09.520 but I certainly feel like

00:22:11.280 I want to learn from people

00:22:13.100 I often end a debate now

00:22:14.560 by saying to people

00:22:15.280 do you know what

00:22:16.080 I've learned so much

00:22:17.320 from that debate

00:22:17.920 and that was really interesting

00:22:19.540 and especially when you have

00:22:21.200 two sets of people

00:22:22.080 who know the facts

00:22:23.600 but are interpreting

00:22:24.440 those facts differently

00:22:25.400 but they're not challenging

00:22:26.780 the reality of what happened

00:22:27.960 they're just saying

00:22:28.420 in my opinion

00:22:29.520 this means xyz

00:22:31.780 and the other person

00:22:32.720 goes no no no

00:22:33.380 it means boom boom boom

00:22:34.960 try to work out

00:22:36.100 actually what does it mean

00:22:37.580 you know

00:22:38.280 people often say to me

00:22:39.440 if you go back to the start

00:22:40.340 of the Israel

00:22:41.240 and Palestine conflict

00:22:43.040 in say 48

00:22:43.860 and go back a lot further

00:22:45.120 but say you go back to 48

00:22:45.960 you could construct

00:22:47.300 a very good argument

00:22:48.340 for both sides

00:22:49.300 over the next 75 years

00:22:51.080 you could if you were just

00:22:51.940 sitting back

00:22:52.780 and just taking

00:22:53.420 a set of facts

00:22:54.660 and trying to present

00:22:55.840 the argument

00:22:56.740 for the defense of Israel

00:22:58.360 or the Palestinians

00:22:59.520 you could do a powerful piece

00:23:01.420 for both

00:23:01.880 and it was a Jewish journalist

00:23:03.480 called Jonathan Friedland

00:23:04.380 who actually said that

00:23:05.920 which I thought was interesting

00:23:06.760 and I sort of agree with that

00:23:08.640 about almost all issues

00:23:09.760 and the challenge

00:23:11.380 is to really get into

00:23:12.620 the weeds of these debates

00:23:14.900 analyse the facts

00:23:16.620 hear the different opinions

00:23:18.140 and then hopefully

00:23:18.900 depending on the power

00:23:20.680 of the argument

00:23:21.220 the viewers at home

00:23:22.260 A they learn a lot

00:23:24.100 which is really a perfect show

00:23:25.640 for me with the learning things

00:23:26.840 but B they can formulate

00:23:28.100 their own opinions

00:23:28.780 and it may be they go one

00:23:29.820 it may be they go the other

00:23:30.940 and maybe they sit

00:23:31.580 somewhere in the middle

00:23:32.140 that to me

00:23:33.700 is a really good debate

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00:24:27.880 What do you actually think about it?

00:24:30.680 Israel and Palestine

00:24:31.460 I think

00:24:32.700 Removing your journalistic hat

00:24:34.040 which I know

00:24:34.460 that you have been very even

00:24:35.600 On a human level

00:24:36.500 I'll tell you what I think

00:24:37.380 I think that

00:24:38.180 October the 7th

00:24:39.320 is one of the worst things

00:24:40.140 I've ever seen

00:24:40.680 I think the retribution

00:24:42.780 as I call it

00:24:43.800 by Israel

00:24:44.480 has now gone

00:24:45.560 way beyond

00:24:46.240 what is acceptable

00:24:47.160 I take issue

00:24:49.020 with people

00:24:49.420 that want to frame it

00:24:50.200 as genocide

00:24:50.800 purely from a technical

00:24:52.180 point of view

00:24:52.800 that actually

00:24:53.880 the definition of genocide

00:24:55.160 would mean

00:24:56.440 that you know

00:24:57.320 if Israel had killed

00:24:59.040 a million people

00:25:00.000 I could accept

00:25:01.540 the argument

00:25:02.060 this is a bona fide genocide

00:25:03.580 it's more complex

00:25:05.060 for me

00:25:05.620 as a journalist

00:25:06.620 when I look at this

00:25:07.440 and compare it to

00:25:08.320 other genocides

00:25:09.700 and I compare it

00:25:10.600 to other wars

00:25:11.440 that if you take

00:25:12.540 the central argument

00:25:13.460 of Israel

00:25:14.000 which is

00:25:14.680 put aside

00:25:15.340 everything that

00:25:15.700 happened before

00:25:16.360 you take

00:25:17.180 October the 7th

00:25:18.620 and the scale of it

00:25:19.500 with 250 people

00:25:21.500 being kidnapped

00:25:22.520 including babies

00:25:24.100 and Holocaust survivors

00:25:25.300 with 3,000 people

00:25:27.280 coming over the border

00:25:28.160 attacking indiscriminately

00:25:29.680 people

00:25:30.120 killing 1,200

00:25:31.420 and wounding

00:25:32.820 nearly 7,000 more

00:25:33.780 if you take the scale

00:25:34.420 of what happened

00:25:35.120 Hamas knew

00:25:36.520 what Israel

00:25:37.220 was going to do

00:25:37.860 by way of response

00:25:38.680 Hamas

00:25:39.460 indisputably

00:25:40.620 have buried themselves

00:25:41.660 into civilian areas

00:25:42.580 quite deliberately

00:25:43.220 for self-protective reasons

00:25:45.080 and Israel

00:25:46.540 has been

00:25:47.180 I don't think

00:25:48.080 they've been

00:25:48.620 anything indiscriminate

00:25:50.560 actually

00:25:51.000 in a lot of their attacks

00:25:52.080 on these areas

00:25:52.800 particularly on the refugee camps

00:25:54.440 I think it's completely

00:25:55.220 unconscionable

00:25:56.220 some of the stuff

00:25:56.720 they've done there

00:25:57.300 and I think that

00:25:59.020 it's gone on way too long

00:26:00.560 and it has to stop

00:26:01.340 and I think

00:26:02.120 I always ask people

00:26:03.300 throughout the debates

00:26:04.280 what is a proportionate response

00:26:06.340 I didn't have the answer

00:26:07.480 I didn't know

00:26:08.620 what is the correct

00:26:10.040 proportionate response

00:26:11.240 to the scale

00:26:12.060 of October the 7th

00:26:13.060 and that's before

00:26:13.800 you factor in

00:26:14.540 the background

00:26:15.100 and the history

00:26:16.360 and what people see

00:26:17.740 as the occupation

00:26:18.500 of the Palestinians

00:26:19.320 and the appalling plight

00:26:21.080 of 2 million Palestinians

00:26:22.220 in Gaza

00:26:22.760 for so long

00:26:23.640 it doesn't factor in that

00:26:24.860 it's just

00:26:25.260 Hamas do this

00:26:26.600 what is the proportionate response

00:26:28.220 that's acceptable

00:26:28.820 I think Israel's gone

00:26:30.480 way beyond

00:26:31.160 what is acceptable

00:26:32.320 however

00:26:33.260 I understand

00:26:34.440 their argument

00:26:35.180 that they are

00:26:36.540 responding to

00:26:37.360 as they see it

00:26:38.180 a heinous terror attack

00:26:39.440 and they have vowed

00:26:40.580 to get rid of the

00:26:41.340 Hamas terrorists

00:26:42.660 who did this

00:26:43.260 and that the only way

00:26:44.440 to do that

00:26:45.020 is to do it

00:26:45.520 the way they're doing it

00:26:46.300 and I understand

00:26:47.760 that that is their argument

00:26:49.080 and I understand

00:26:50.140 that that to me

00:26:50.900 is different

00:26:51.480 to a country

00:26:53.060 waging a wholesale

00:26:54.700 genocide of a people

00:26:55.860 so I think

00:26:57.200 it's complicated

00:26:58.000 and I don't have

00:26:58.860 all the answers

00:26:59.460 but as we sit here

00:27:00.960 now

00:27:01.240 this has to stop

00:27:02.300 the levelling of Gaza

00:27:03.700 has gone completely

00:27:04.700 out of control

00:27:06.160 I mean

00:27:06.460 a lot of Gaza

00:27:07.480 is unoccupiable now

00:27:08.720 I think the aggressive

00:27:10.080 expansion on the West Banks

00:27:11.500 has been a form of terrorism

00:27:13.420 which is completely unacceptable

00:27:14.520 I think some of the language

00:27:15.980 of some of the cabinet members

00:27:17.220 has bordered on genocidal

00:27:18.860 and I think that

00:27:20.080 there are clearly

00:27:20.960 some members of that

00:27:21.880 Netanyahu cabinet

00:27:22.780 who actually would have

00:27:24.040 no problem

00:27:24.760 if all the Palestinians

00:27:26.160 left Gaza right now

00:27:27.460 and so

00:27:28.440 I'm not saying

00:27:29.740 that there's not a potential

00:27:30.860 for a form of genocide

00:27:32.340 to be here

00:27:33.820 you know

00:27:34.280 and we might look back

00:27:35.000 at this in two years

00:27:35.960 and you might say to me

00:27:37.280 well we told you

00:27:38.100 this is genocide

00:27:39.640 what they've done

00:27:40.720 they've got rid of

00:27:41.220 all the Palestinians

00:27:41.840 that could happen

00:27:42.960 and I pray

00:27:45.000 that doesn't happen

00:27:46.020 and I pray

00:27:47.060 that as I've always felt

00:27:48.060 the only way through

00:27:48.920 this ultimately

00:27:49.640 is fresh leadership

00:27:51.120 on all sides

00:27:52.120 as we saw in Northern Ireland

00:27:53.620 after many decades

00:27:54.900 of horrific war

00:27:57.380 between the IRA

00:27:58.260 and the loyalists

00:27:59.040 that ultimately

00:28:00.140 they got to peace

00:28:01.760 because leaders

00:28:02.340 like Clinton and Blair

00:28:03.400 and all these guys

00:28:04.460 came together

00:28:04.960 and they were just

00:28:05.480 determined to get it

00:28:06.340 and they managed

00:28:07.220 to get a peace now

00:28:08.280 where people in Northern Ireland

00:28:09.500 live in relative peace

00:28:10.660 and safety

00:28:11.280 and they live amongst

00:28:12.400 each other

00:28:12.820 people used to be

00:28:13.400 at war with each other

00:28:14.040 it would be amazing

00:28:15.220 to think that could happen

00:28:16.340 but I think we're

00:28:17.540 a long way off that

00:28:18.620 there now

00:28:19.580 so that's my honest

00:28:21.440 that's my honest human

00:28:23.040 I think that was honest

00:28:24.520 view of it

00:28:24.940 I have a good radar

00:28:26.180 for honesty

00:28:26.740 I think you're being

00:28:27.280 very honest

00:28:27.780 and I think

00:28:28.480 it takes a lot

00:28:29.520 tremendous for you

00:28:30.040 to even say it

00:28:30.680 because it's so strange

00:28:31.520 to me that we've

00:28:31.960 gotten to a point

00:28:32.740 where people are

00:28:33.660 too fearful to say

00:28:34.740 that what's happening

00:28:35.500 has gone too far

00:28:36.340 because they're scared

00:28:37.440 of losing their jobs

00:28:38.280 and this really shows

00:28:39.960 and I mean

00:28:40.460 I call it Likud party

00:28:41.460 media in America

00:28:42.340 they have this sort

00:28:43.720 of stranglehold

00:28:44.500 on the media

00:28:45.080 and they sort of

00:28:45.840 just will libel you

00:28:47.000 and smear you

00:28:47.640 and pretend that

00:28:48.180 you're like a

00:28:48.720 Nazi sympathizer

00:28:50.240 which gets really crazy

00:28:51.400 but what we are

00:28:52.840 recognizing now

00:28:53.860 and you can sense

00:28:54.600 their frustration

00:28:55.240 is that media

00:28:56.720 game has changed

00:28:57.600 nobody cares anymore

00:28:58.940 about the writing

00:28:59.500 nobody cares

00:29:00.460 who they're smearing

00:29:01.500 who they're libeling

00:29:02.280 and actually

00:29:02.720 in many ways

00:29:03.880 when they do

00:29:04.380 these sorts of attacks

00:29:05.280 and they're not

00:29:05.980 based in reality

00:29:07.080 it helps the person

00:29:08.540 you know

00:29:09.160 like the person

00:29:09.740 is given further

00:29:11.540 belief

00:29:12.200 further credence

00:29:12.980 because people go

00:29:13.620 okay well

00:29:14.100 they took all of

00:29:15.060 these fire

00:29:15.480 and all these bullets

00:29:16.100 because they said

00:29:16.580 something that was

00:29:17.080 true and something

00:29:17.560 that was humane

00:29:18.380 what do you think

00:29:20.060 where do you think

00:29:20.580 the trajectory

00:29:21.060 of media in America

00:29:22.560 is going

00:29:23.280 I think legacy media

00:29:24.940 is in massive trouble

00:29:26.080 I mean you know

00:29:27.460 this $15 million

00:29:28.500 payout by ABC

00:29:29.400 to Trump

00:29:29.960 for lying about him

00:29:30.880 is a real turning point

00:29:32.520 right because

00:29:33.240 Trump's win was so big

00:29:35.220 and so across the board

00:29:36.440 and such a repudiation

00:29:37.600 of the legacy media

00:29:39.340 he basically did it

00:29:40.500 by going on

00:29:41.100 YouTube

00:29:41.580 and podcasters

00:29:42.680 he just

00:29:43.780 circumnavigated

00:29:45.440 the traditional routes

00:29:46.460 of running

00:29:47.220 a presidential campaign

00:29:48.120 and it was

00:29:49.300 incredibly effective

00:29:50.120 but also

00:29:51.680 it's the boy

00:29:52.740 that cried wolf

00:29:53.560 you know

00:29:54.480 I just remember

00:29:55.300 back to the first

00:29:56.000 two years

00:29:56.420 of Trump's first term

00:29:57.340 when it was just

00:29:57.800 Russia collusion

00:29:58.480 when you say things

00:29:59.940 often enough

00:30:00.520 and the public

00:30:01.040 buy into it

00:30:01.620 I mean it turns out

00:30:02.440 to be

00:30:02.800 there was no

00:30:03.680 Russia collusion

00:30:04.540 Trump didn't work

00:30:06.200 with Russians

00:30:06.680 to fix the election

00:30:07.560 it was all just lies

00:30:08.520 and I think a lot

00:30:10.100 of the media

00:30:10.440 knew it was lies

00:30:11.420 when you perpetrate

00:30:12.520 that scale of lie

00:30:13.960 for so long

00:30:15.040 but with such obvious

00:30:16.540 zealous enthusiasm

00:30:18.160 to bring him down

00:30:19.240 and I think

00:30:20.260 that was what

00:30:20.860 struck me

00:30:21.400 was whatever

00:30:21.800 you think of Trump

00:30:22.660 and I've gone back

00:30:23.800 a long way

00:30:24.320 with Donald Trump

00:30:24.920 and I can see

00:30:25.820 the good bad

00:30:26.320 and ugly in him

00:30:26.880 and he's got all three

00:30:27.640 although I think

00:30:28.360 he's become a changed man

00:30:29.920 since the shooting

00:30:31.660 and since the election

00:30:32.500 and we can maybe

00:30:33.240 come to that

00:30:33.780 but it's very interesting

00:30:34.480 to watch

00:30:34.980 as someone who's

00:30:35.720 known him a long time

00:30:36.420 but I think that

00:30:38.180 if you read Trump's book

00:30:40.900 The Art of the Deal

00:30:41.580 his whole thing is

00:30:43.140 if you punch me

00:30:43.780 I'm going to punch you

00:30:44.380 ten times back

00:30:45.060 so for the first

00:30:46.220 two three years

00:30:46.840 of his presidency

00:30:47.720 everyone just punched him

00:30:49.060 from Legacy Media

00:30:49.720 morning, noon and night

00:30:50.900 because he got

00:30:51.640 ten punches back

00:30:52.560 it was all great

00:30:53.440 copy for newspapers

00:30:54.220 it was great

00:30:54.840 it was great juice

00:30:55.960 for the cable news

00:30:56.720 it was all great sport

00:30:58.120 but how did it serve

00:30:59.380 the American people

00:31:00.200 it didn't

00:31:00.900 and in the end

00:31:02.360 Trump says he won 2020

00:31:03.900 I don't think he did

00:31:04.840 I think that Biden

00:31:06.120 won by default

00:31:06.980 because of the pandemic

00:31:07.820 and the fallout from that

00:31:08.860 and it was very close anyway

00:31:10.400 and it could have gone

00:31:10.820 another way

00:31:11.180 but ultimately

00:31:11.760 I think Trump lost it

00:31:13.740 but the scale of his win

00:31:15.080 this time

00:31:15.580 shows that people had

00:31:16.740 a lot of buyer's remorse

00:31:18.240 about Biden

00:31:18.900 a lot of

00:31:19.980 a lot of probably

00:31:21.240 seller's remorse

00:31:22.000 about Trump

00:31:22.600 that actually

00:31:23.060 despite all his

00:31:24.240 rhetorical issues

00:31:25.760 and he has put that

00:31:26.940 politely

00:31:27.420 but despite that

00:31:29.480 he as a blunt instrument

00:31:31.140 he gets stuff done

00:31:31.920 he can be very effective

00:31:32.740 and I you know

00:31:33.960 I've often had

00:31:34.540 arguments with people

00:31:35.200 about the way

00:31:35.680 he conducts

00:31:36.620 foreign policy

00:31:37.380 with America

00:31:38.220 the way he

00:31:39.080 goes and talks to Putin

00:31:40.660 and Kim Jong-un

00:31:41.480 and Xi

00:31:42.300 I like this

00:31:43.100 I think it disarms them

00:31:44.940 they're not quite sure

00:31:45.580 what to make of Trump

00:31:46.400 I suspect they're far more

00:31:47.620 fearful of Trump

00:31:48.440 as a consequence of

00:31:49.580 their personal relationships

00:31:50.680 and his known

00:31:51.780 unpredictability

00:31:52.760 than they are about

00:31:53.920 the far more conventional

00:31:54.920 you're all bad guys

00:31:56.100 we're going to treat you

00:31:57.040 like bad guys

00:31:57.820 and that's it

00:31:58.420 so I think that Trump

00:31:59.580 has them oddly

00:32:00.700 wrapped around his

00:32:01.740 rather cunning finger

00:32:03.260 and I think it could be

00:32:04.400 quite effective

00:32:04.940 in the way he conducts

00:32:05.860 his foreign policy

00:32:06.600 but I also think

00:32:08.080 that when it comes to

00:32:08.700 things like

00:32:09.220 his natural instinct

00:32:10.860 for

00:32:11.240 the wall

00:32:12.940 immigration

00:32:13.820 cost of living

00:32:15.300 all the basic stuff

00:32:17.060 the woke stuff

00:32:17.880 him saying

00:32:18.580 I'll just ban

00:32:19.240 all trans athletes

00:32:19.860 and women's sport

00:32:20.580 great

00:32:21.140 great

00:32:22.020 and I think a lot

00:32:22.480 of Americans

00:32:22.880 went yes

00:32:23.360 yes

00:32:24.140 it shouldn't even

00:32:25.180 be ambiguous

00:32:25.740 and obviously

00:32:26.840 if we're having

00:32:27.220 10 million illegal immigrants

00:32:28.440 across the border

00:32:29.100 in four years

00:32:29.620 that can't be good

00:32:30.380 for America

00:32:30.800 how can that be

00:32:31.560 we need good immigration

00:32:32.940 of course we do

00:32:33.860 we can't sustain this

00:32:35.660 and we've got the same

00:32:36.160 problem in this country

00:32:37.000 you raise it

00:32:38.020 nearly a million people

00:32:39.460 came in last year

00:32:40.240 in this country

00:32:40.720 net migration

00:32:41.600 completely unsustainable

00:32:43.000 for a little island

00:32:43.700 of 67 million people

00:32:45.100 and yet if you raise

00:32:46.440 concerns about it

00:32:47.260 you're a racist

00:32:47.840 and that's why

00:32:48.800 people like Nigel Farage

00:32:49.820 are getting more

00:32:50.280 and more popular

00:32:50.880 because people

00:32:51.880 have begun to think

00:32:52.540 well they're not

00:32:53.100 racist are they

00:32:54.260 I mean I don't think

00:32:55.640 he is

00:32:56.080 I think he's someone

00:32:57.700 who's banged this drum

00:32:59.160 about the danger

00:33:00.000 of uncontrolled

00:33:00.880 migration for a long time

00:33:02.460 and a lot of leaders

00:33:03.640 around the world

00:33:04.220 now are realising

00:33:05.020 that people like him

00:33:06.120 and Trump

00:33:06.480 were right to bang

00:33:07.120 that drum

00:33:07.560 and it doesn't make you

00:33:09.140 racist to be concerned

00:33:10.220 about it

00:33:10.580 so I think all these

00:33:11.380 things are kind of

00:33:12.660 flying around

00:33:13.520 and in the middle

00:33:14.980 of it

00:33:15.380 I've been sitting

00:33:16.960 there going

00:33:17.360 who am I now

00:33:19.220 right

00:33:20.140 what does this

00:33:20.740 make me

00:33:21.420 right

00:33:22.400 what

00:33:23.240 politically

00:33:24.320 where do I sit

00:33:25.300 in all this

00:33:26.080 and it's an interesting

00:33:27.300 question of

00:33:28.100 self-analysis

00:33:29.200 I don't really know

00:33:30.020 the clear answer

00:33:31.500 other than it's easier

00:33:32.620 for me to go back

00:33:33.540 to being a journalist

00:33:34.780 and not to really

00:33:36.280 try and work out

00:33:37.340 where I sit

00:33:38.380 because the pendulum

00:33:39.220 has been wildly

00:33:40.660 moving around

00:33:41.540 people that used

00:33:42.820 to be considered

00:33:43.360 on the left

00:33:43.960 Bill Maher

00:33:44.620 are they now

00:33:45.620 is Bill Maher

00:33:46.800 left wing

00:33:47.560 he might still want

00:33:48.720 to be called that

00:33:49.580 and I love Bill

00:33:50.220 but actually

00:33:51.340 I would say

00:33:52.240 he's certainly

00:33:52.800 centrist at best

00:33:53.900 arguably on a lot

00:33:55.140 of the stuff

00:33:55.480 now you could almost

00:33:56.100 argue on the pendulum

00:33:56.880 he might be slightly

00:33:58.080 centre right

00:33:58.780 that's how far

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00:34:03.880 like me and Bill

00:34:04.600 who are conventional

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00:35:05.160 okay so you've been

00:35:06.420 in the room

00:35:06.660 with a lot of

00:35:07.020 powerful people

00:35:07.540 getting to Trump

00:35:08.360 and knowing his

00:35:09.100 personality

00:35:09.560 and you're

00:35:10.060 definitely reading

00:35:10.760 the tea leads

00:35:11.180 correctly

00:35:11.580 who is the worst

00:35:13.820 person that you've

00:35:15.300 been around

00:35:15.660 I mean you've

00:35:16.360 I mean just to

00:35:17.100 for people that

00:35:17.560 are watching this

00:35:18.060 I mean you partied

00:35:19.700 back in the day

00:35:20.560 with everyone

00:35:21.180 from Madonna

00:35:22.220 I mean you have

00:35:22.920 been around

00:35:23.440 some very powerful

00:35:24.560 people

00:35:24.980 she's awful

00:35:25.820 she is awful

00:35:26.960 Madonna's awful

00:35:27.700 I know she's

00:35:28.860 inherently awful

00:35:29.540 I mean she's

00:35:29.860 put a picture

00:35:30.300 out today

00:35:30.740 of a faked

00:35:31.760 AI picture

00:35:32.500 of I think

00:35:32.920 the Pope

00:35:33.380 groping her

00:35:34.080 or something

00:35:34.520 that's classic

00:35:35.540 Madonna

00:35:35.900 it's just the

00:35:36.760 worst kind of

00:35:37.480 pathetic

00:35:37.860 attention seeking

00:35:38.760 guaranteed to

00:35:40.000 enrage Catholics

00:35:41.060 like me

00:35:41.600 you

00:35:41.920 it's like

00:35:42.320 why would

00:35:42.920 you do

00:35:43.200 that

00:35:43.400 it's so

00:35:43.720 pathetic

00:35:44.200 so puerile

00:35:45.100 so attention

00:35:46.060 seeking

00:35:46.480 and that's

00:35:46.760 been her

00:35:47.080 whole

00:35:47.400 raise on

00:35:48.080 debt

00:35:48.300 she used

00:35:48.560 to be

00:35:48.720 great

00:35:48.960 pop star

00:35:49.420 back in

00:35:49.880 her 20s

00:35:50.700 but now

00:35:50.960 she's just

00:35:51.340 a total

00:35:51.720 embarrassment

00:35:52.120 but I

00:35:52.660 don't really

00:35:52.920 think she's

00:35:53.400 like I

00:35:54.120 don't call

00:35:54.560 her

00:35:54.980 by the

00:35:55.600 definition

00:35:55.880 of what

00:35:56.140 you're

00:35:56.360 after

00:35:56.580 is that

00:35:56.900 a dangerous

00:35:57.360 bad person

00:35:57.960 no

00:35:58.180 it's just

00:35:58.460 it's an

00:35:59.060 attention

00:35:59.380 seeking

00:35:59.820 increasing

00:36:00.900 irrelevance

00:36:01.520 you know

00:36:02.120 bad people

00:36:02.980 are people

00:36:03.340 bad actors

00:36:04.100 in the world

00:36:04.660 are people

00:36:05.940 who genuinely

00:36:06.620 have a malevolent

00:36:07.540 world view

00:36:08.140 that they have

00:36:09.040 the ability

00:36:09.520 to execute

00:36:10.180 you know

00:36:10.960 when you think

00:36:11.440 back to

00:36:12.060 what ISIS

00:36:13.120 were doing

00:36:13.640 for example

00:36:14.180 for the first

00:36:15.300 20 years

00:36:15.900 of this

00:36:16.280 century

00:36:17.120 that's inherently

00:36:18.260 evil

00:36:18.840 what they were

00:36:19.360 doing

00:36:19.600 and you

00:36:21.040 can call

00:36:21.520 out the

00:36:21.840 leaders of

00:36:22.240 ISIS

00:36:22.480 and say

00:36:22.820 you are

00:36:23.260 inhuman

00:36:24.700 subhuman

00:36:26.360 evil people

00:36:27.580 who are

00:36:28.520 trying to

00:36:28.880 get this

00:36:29.300 caliphate

00:36:29.880 which just

00:36:30.460 has no

00:36:31.620 tolerance

00:36:32.140 of anything

00:36:32.680 I mean

00:36:32.900 the western

00:36:33.420 like the

00:36:33.960 people that

00:36:34.260 have power

00:36:34.660 in the west

00:36:34.980 obviously

00:36:36.400 we have

00:36:36.820 the obvious

00:36:38.020 bad actors

00:36:38.660 on the

00:36:38.920 world stage

00:36:39.500 in terms

00:36:40.300 of people

00:36:40.800 who are

00:36:42.420 running

00:36:42.660 countries

00:36:43.160 my biggest

00:36:43.700 problem

00:36:43.980 is not

00:36:44.260 that they're

00:36:44.640 bad

00:36:44.880 it's that

00:36:45.180 they're

00:36:45.360 incompetent

00:36:46.320 which can

00:36:47.220 be as

00:36:47.500 bad

00:36:47.860 but I

00:36:48.120 want to

00:36:48.280 hear Elon

00:36:48.700 Musk talk

00:36:49.120 about this

00:36:49.440 a lot

00:36:49.640 he's so

00:36:50.260 brilliantly

00:36:50.720 competent

00:36:51.300 he operates

00:36:52.400 at such a

00:36:52.820 high level

00:36:53.500 of competence

00:36:54.220 that he

00:36:55.000 finds

00:36:55.300 incompetent

00:36:55.800 people

00:36:56.060 incredibly

00:36:56.440 irritating

00:36:56.980 and I

00:36:57.300 know

00:36:57.420 exactly

00:36:57.660 what he

00:36:57.920 means

00:36:58.220 I think

00:36:59.000 if you

00:36:59.160 look around

00:36:59.580 leadership

00:36:59.940 around the

00:37:00.400 world

00:37:00.780 a lot

00:37:01.460 of

00:37:01.540 incompetent

00:37:02.180 people

00:37:02.580 I don't

00:37:03.360 necessarily

00:37:03.780 think

00:37:04.060 they're

00:37:04.300 bad

00:37:04.640 I mean

00:37:04.880 Angela

00:37:05.260 Merkel

00:37:05.580 is a good

00:37:05.880 example

00:37:06.260 I wouldn't

00:37:07.060 say she was a bad

00:37:07.840 person

00:37:08.300 she's not

00:37:08.880 unintelligent

00:37:09.540 she just turned out to be incredibly incompetent

00:37:11.940 and caused a lot of mayhem for her country

00:37:13.740 despite being lauded in real time

00:37:15.800 Jacinda Ardern

00:37:17.180 remember the Prime Minister of New Zealand

00:37:18.600 was lauded as the Covid heroine

00:37:21.120 because of all her extreme lockdown views and so on and so on

00:37:24.260 but history has not been kind to her either

00:37:26.500 so I think a lot of people

00:37:27.780 it comes down to basic competence

00:37:29.300 one of the problems of Boris Johnson here in this country

00:37:31.200 was he's just a general shambolic character

00:37:33.660 the level of competence seemed very low

00:37:36.700 Trump first time around seemed chaotic

00:37:38.960 and therefore stroked potentially a problem for competence

00:37:42.180 this time he's surrounding himself with incredibly high performing

00:37:46.340 competent people like Elon

00:37:47.800 that's what makes it really interesting to me

00:37:49.860 and that's why I think his next term

00:37:52.260 could be genuinely transformative

00:37:54.120 and people might say Trump's a bad guy

00:37:56.560 I don't think he is a bad guy

00:37:58.000 I think he's somebody who had the wrong people around him first time around

00:38:01.580 and was being beaten up so mercilessly by the media

00:38:04.340 that his only response was to go after them with equal venom

00:38:07.560 this time I see he's calmer

00:38:09.400 he's better organized

00:38:10.720 he's chosen his cabinet in record time

00:38:12.700 he's chosen people who are disruptive

00:38:14.720 but they're smart

00:38:15.440 and they're just going to operate on a different way

00:38:17.940 to establishment people would do

00:38:19.860 but he's got Elon Musk sitting there

00:38:21.640 helping him all the way with all this stuff

00:38:23.560 it's a lethal combination

00:38:25.020 Trump's instincts and Elon's ability and instincts

00:38:28.600 to operate at a very elite level

00:38:30.760 so

00:38:31.280 do you think

00:38:32.280 I'm just going to push back on the Elon Musk thing

00:38:34.020 am I even pushing back

00:38:35.340 I just find myself puzzled about it

00:38:37.860 I wonder if we're attributing too much superheroism

00:38:41.360 to Elon Musk

00:38:42.420 because he did this amazing thing

00:38:44.200 having freed the bird

00:38:45.900 I think he actually might be a superhero

00:38:48.080 because see I think Vivek Ramaswamy is a superhero

00:38:50.040 well I like him too

00:38:51.260 yeah but Elon Musk I'm just

00:38:52.720 I sort of

00:38:53.240 but look at his achievements

00:38:54.020 what do I know about Elon Musk really

00:38:56.440 let me help you

00:38:57.080 let me help you answer that question

00:38:58.860 what you know is

00:39:00.160 almost every business he starts

00:39:01.480 everyone condemns it to immediate failure

00:39:03.240 everyone thinks it's destined to fail

00:39:04.800 it cannot be achieved

00:39:06.020 it's always done on a massive grandiose scale

00:39:09.060 with a massive grandiose plan

00:39:10.860 and he's delivered

00:39:11.940 I mean look at SpaceX

00:39:12.920 SpaceX is probably the most coveted company

00:39:15.760 in the world right now

00:39:16.540 by every other successful business person

00:39:18.700 if you ask them

00:39:19.260 they all think SpaceX is the company in the world

00:39:21.660 and he built that

00:39:23.060 and people said it's never going to work

00:39:24.740 this is going to

00:39:25.780 throw good money after bad

00:39:27.760 it's never going to work

00:39:28.540 look at what SpaceX does around the world now

00:39:30.480 look at the satellite systems

00:39:31.720 never mind anything else

00:39:32.640 are just on a different level

00:39:34.600 to anything we've seen

00:39:35.560 you know he's even

00:39:36.520 I saw the other day

00:39:37.600 planning to help with the countryside issue in the UK

00:39:40.100 if you live in the countryside

00:39:41.220 you don't get a phone signal

00:39:42.220 he said I'll sort that for you

00:39:43.420 right

00:39:43.740 he just thinks

00:39:44.240 I'll fix Britain and his phone signal

00:39:45.640 that's how he thinks

00:39:46.480 I sat with him

00:39:47.560 in France this summer

00:39:48.960 for a couple of hours

00:39:49.760 and he was talking about Neuralink

00:39:51.460 and what that does

00:39:52.300 and SpaceX and what it does

00:39:53.680 and Tesla

00:39:55.340 and what the

00:39:55.980 again Tesla was rubbish to start with

00:39:58.280 everyone said

00:39:58.820 this is never going to work

00:39:59.940 now it's the most successful

00:40:01.160 green energy car company in the world

00:40:02.980 and obviously

00:40:04.300 cars will go that way

00:40:05.760 he's just ahead of everybody

00:40:07.180 and he understands

00:40:08.220 you can't do it all at once

00:40:09.380 and all these other things

00:40:10.480 but again

00:40:11.200 an amazingly transformative

00:40:12.560 huge big picture

00:40:14.200 business that he's built

00:40:15.580 then you look at X

00:40:16.880 and what he's done there

00:40:17.620 where

00:40:17.900 the most amazing stat

00:40:19.280 the other day

00:40:19.680 has gone from

00:40:20.140 67% Democrat

00:40:22.180 32% Republican on X

00:40:24.400 to now it's pretty well 50-50

00:40:25.960 that's Elon Musk

00:40:27.060 he's redressed the balance

00:40:29.280 he's made it easier

00:40:31.320 for conservatives

00:40:32.000 not to be de-platformed

00:40:33.180 and removed

00:40:33.680 just because of their

00:40:34.240 political allegiance

00:40:35.420 again so he's

00:40:37.380 democratised if you like

00:40:39.120 this very undemocratic

00:40:40.660 but massively popular

00:40:42.380 powerful social media tool

00:40:43.940 so I look at all the things

00:40:45.160 he's been doing

00:40:45.780 and I think

00:40:47.120 actually what's the common thread here

00:40:49.200 all of it is a force for good

00:40:50.860 all of it ultimately

00:40:52.360 is designed to save us

00:40:53.660 from ourselves

00:40:54.280 it is colonising Mars

00:40:56.480 humanoid robots

00:40:57.880 all these other things he's doing

00:40:58.900 but look at the thing

00:41:00.180 the space rocket

00:41:01.180 when it landed in the cradle

00:41:02.240 just the sheer

00:41:03.280 mind-blowing scale

00:41:04.840 of ambition

00:41:05.480 that Musk has

00:41:06.320 and he believes

00:41:08.100 we'll get to Mars

00:41:08.960 in his lifetime

00:41:09.580 and we'll start colonising

00:41:10.760 and he thinks

00:41:11.540 it's really important

00:41:12.020 so my point is

00:41:12.740 if you look at it

00:41:13.760 what is a superhero

00:41:15.240 a superhero is somebody

00:41:16.760 who thinks on a massively

00:41:18.020 big scale

00:41:18.700 for the good of the people

00:41:19.920 and often saves the people

00:41:21.460 from themselves

00:41:22.200 by that criteria

00:41:23.440 I'm not saying

00:41:24.340 he's a perfect human being

00:41:25.260 he can be difficult

00:41:26.080 and all the rest of it

00:41:26.780 of course he can

00:41:27.320 and he wouldn't say

00:41:28.420 he's pervert himself

00:41:29.180 but by a superhero criteria

00:41:31.300 right now in the world

00:41:32.800 who is having

00:41:34.040 a bigger transformative

00:41:35.740 superhero world

00:41:37.600 right now than Elon Musk

00:41:38.940 who?

00:41:39.720 give me a name

00:41:40.400 who's doing more good

00:41:41.900 for the world

00:41:42.340 than him?

00:41:42.580 well no there's no question

00:41:43.440 that's why I want to separate

00:41:44.900 because

00:41:45.620 so what's the but for you?

00:41:46.460 I totally agree

00:41:47.200 that he is tremendously successful

00:41:49.040 and is contributing things

00:41:49.800 to the world

00:41:50.100 that are amazing

00:41:50.740 you can never take that

00:41:51.440 away from him

00:41:51.840 and what he did for

00:41:52.500 Twitter, X, whatever

00:41:54.660 freed the bird

00:41:55.620 I honestly think

00:41:56.460 he saved

00:41:56.980 like Western civilization

00:41:58.120 we were so close

00:41:58.920 like it was really

00:42:00.400 a dark period

00:42:01.100 post-COVID

00:42:01.760 what I'm saying

00:42:03.160 is to immediately

00:42:04.740 translate that

00:42:05.680 into

00:42:06.120 would you want

00:42:07.620 this person

00:42:08.120 to be in government

00:42:09.060 well Elon Musk's views

00:42:10.780 despite all of these

00:42:11.760 amazing accomplishments

00:42:12.620 in the past

00:42:14.000 actually he was left-leaning

00:42:15.060 yeah

00:42:15.420 right so despite

00:42:16.060 all of this brilliance

00:42:16.980 actually he kind of

00:42:17.900 was going along

00:42:18.480 with the thing

00:42:19.060 until the thing

00:42:20.480 kind of ate one of his kids

00:42:21.620 and then he was like

00:42:22.240 wait what's going on?

00:42:23.120 okay but so was Trump

00:42:23.900 to a degree

00:42:24.380 you know

00:42:25.460 so was Trump

00:42:26.080 no Trump was always

00:42:26.680 a businessman

00:42:27.200 no no

00:42:27.800 he was always about his money

00:42:28.900 okay

00:42:29.260 he was never a lefty wokey

00:42:30.780 okay but Trump

00:42:31.420 did sign up for say

00:42:32.360 the assault weapons ban

00:42:33.680 he agreed with that

00:42:34.360 okay but what I'm saying

00:42:35.340 like he wasn't

00:42:35.840 you know you look at these

00:42:36.920 Joe Rogan

00:42:38.180 you look at all these people

00:42:39.280 there's a lot of people

00:42:40.260 RFK

00:42:41.140 Tulsi Gabbard

00:42:42.180 a lot of people

00:42:42.780 that you might have said

00:42:43.320 well they were sort of

00:42:44.000 leaning Democrats really

00:42:45.280 but that's fine

00:42:46.400 what I'm just saying

00:42:47.160 is that actually

00:42:47.940 I would like to flesh out

00:42:49.480 what his ideas are more

00:42:50.860 because

00:42:51.560 and I say this by the way

00:42:53.080 I'm saying this from like

00:42:53.800 a religious perspective

00:42:55.680 because I actually

00:42:56.620 am not keen

00:42:57.920 on the humanist agenda

00:42:58.780 I'm not keen on Neuralink

00:43:00.020 I'm not keen

00:43:00.800 on all that stuff

00:43:01.560 yeah

00:43:01.860 even if paraplegic people

00:43:03.780 can communicate

00:43:04.440 which is what it's about

00:43:05.300 I just think

00:43:06.120 it's a step too far

00:43:07.640 yeah

00:43:08.280 I'm not keen on that

00:43:09.420 yeah

00:43:09.780 see I like it

00:43:10.840 it's sort of

00:43:12.200 the bigger equation

00:43:13.400 when we start talking

00:43:14.120 about IVF

00:43:14.940 and a big debate

00:43:15.620 that's waging here

00:43:16.300 by the way

00:43:16.820 I think you guys

00:43:17.540 just approved it

00:43:18.120 right

00:43:18.300 the death pods

00:43:19.180 I just have

00:43:20.960 and I'd like to hear

00:43:22.380 more about that

00:43:23.060 so it's not really

00:43:23.980 a judgement against him

00:43:24.960 it's just more like

00:43:25.680 okay now that you're

00:43:26.460 in government

00:43:26.820 actually I really

00:43:27.780 would like to pierce

00:43:28.500 and understand more

00:43:29.280 about what you believe

00:43:30.200 and crucially

00:43:30.600 because he's not

00:43:31.120 in government

00:43:31.780 right

00:43:32.240 so he's slightly detached

00:43:33.720 what I do think is

00:43:34.740 if I would put money

00:43:35.840 on anyone

00:43:36.540 to slash

00:43:37.400 unnecessary

00:43:38.340 bureaucracy and spending

00:43:39.720 in the federal government

00:43:40.840 it would be Elon Musk

00:43:41.940 I wish he'd come here

00:43:42.860 and do it here

00:43:43.440 yeah I'm very pleased

00:43:44.240 about him

00:43:44.520 one question

00:43:45.660 if we put Elon Musk

00:43:46.680 in charge of the

00:43:47.260 National Health Service

00:43:47.940 here

00:43:48.260 what would happen

00:43:49.100 I can absolutely

00:43:50.280 guarantee he'd turn it

00:43:51.440 around

00:43:51.700 the guy is a genius

00:43:53.280 so I think he is

00:43:54.560 a superhero

00:43:55.160 it doesn't come

00:43:56.360 with no caveats

00:43:57.460 but I don't think

00:43:58.460 I've ever seen anyone

00:43:59.760 well it's very interesting

00:44:00.760 with Musk

00:44:01.360 is what I think

00:44:02.020 you very rarely see

00:44:03.360 that level of elite

00:44:04.620 brain power

00:44:05.400 that mixes with

00:44:06.920 a love of being

00:44:07.620 a celebrity

00:44:08.200 which he clearly does

00:44:09.400 and limelight

00:44:10.160 with the super

00:44:11.920 chilling self-confidence

00:44:13.040 to back himself

00:44:13.860 that's what I love

00:44:14.760 about him

00:44:15.200 he will bet the ranch

00:44:16.800 on his own

00:44:17.920 gut instincts

00:44:18.940 to a degree

00:44:19.600 Trump's a bit like that

00:44:20.680 and they'll just

00:44:21.340 barrel through

00:44:21.960 all the naysayers

00:44:22.960 you go

00:44:23.240 you can't do that

00:44:24.300 because it's never

00:44:24.740 worked before

00:44:25.400 they're like

00:44:26.100 yeah sure we can

00:44:27.500 and they do it

00:44:28.640 I like people like that

00:44:30.380 they're not always

00:44:31.060 going to be right

00:44:31.800 but it's a bit like

00:44:32.960 the old Wayne Gretzky

00:44:33.960 the ice hockey players

00:44:34.920 great quote

00:44:35.540 you'll miss 100%

00:44:36.800 of the shots

00:44:37.300 you never take

00:44:37.940 these guys take

00:44:38.980 shot after shot

00:44:39.800 after shot

00:44:40.340 in Trump's case

00:44:41.280 literally took a shot

00:44:42.580 for democracy

00:44:43.560 as he put it

00:44:44.240 and I think

00:44:45.880 Musk is just

00:44:46.700 an utterly

00:44:47.940 fascinating character

00:44:49.120 and when I

00:44:50.360 had a bit of time

00:44:51.140 with him

00:44:51.440 just with a little

00:44:52.200 group of three of us

00:44:53.480 for an hour

00:44:54.720 he was just

00:44:55.160 really interesting guy

00:44:56.380 you know

00:44:56.720 but you could see

00:44:57.600 he was looking at you

00:44:58.180 and sometimes

00:44:58.640 you think

00:44:59.000 he's gone a bit vacant

00:45:00.160 and you're talking

00:45:01.160 about whatever it is

00:45:01.920 and he's thinking

00:45:02.300 about colonising Mars

00:45:03.400 and literally

00:45:04.080 his brain has moved

00:45:05.220 to colonising Mars

00:45:06.180 and he's probably

00:45:06.920 just sort of something

00:45:07.700 he said an interesting thing

00:45:09.060 he said like

00:45:09.420 you have to remember

00:45:10.220 everything he said

00:45:10.980 if you replicate Earth

00:45:11.960 if you forget one vitamin

00:45:13.580 everyone dies out there

00:45:14.540 so you can't forget anything

00:45:16.260 right

00:45:16.900 it's like really interesting

00:45:17.700 but you know

00:45:18.860 ultimately

00:45:19.320 he says

00:45:20.240 you've got to have

00:45:21.080 somewhere else to go

00:45:21.940 otherwise

00:45:22.580 one day

00:45:23.560 this won't exist

00:45:24.320 then what do you do

00:45:25.080 it's over

00:45:25.760 so he's trying to save us

00:45:27.540 from ourselves

00:45:28.160 I like that

00:45:29.660 alright

00:45:30.360 so most of the time

00:45:31.140 when a company says

00:45:32.020 free

00:45:32.500 they really mean

00:45:33.340 see the fine print

00:45:34.220 there is no shortage

00:45:35.460 of ads

00:45:36.000 from the big wireless carriers

00:45:37.260 offering the latest iPhone

00:45:38.540 for free

00:45:39.180 but if you look deeper

00:45:40.360 you realize

00:45:41.220 that to qualify

00:45:41.900 you have to trade

00:45:42.680 in your phone

00:45:43.280 which is valued

00:45:43.900 at thousands of dollars

00:45:44.920 you'll also need to be

00:45:45.960 on the $100 a month

00:45:47.380 unlimited plan

00:45:48.040 and pay $35

00:45:49.520 activation fees

00:45:51.200 and that's a lot of money

00:45:52.400 for a quote unquote

00:45:53.700 free phone

00:45:54.380 so do not fall for it

00:45:55.520 but Pure Talk

00:45:56.480 my cell phone company

00:45:57.400 has a better option

00:45:58.400 you'll get a brand new

00:45:59.680 iPhone 14

00:46:00.620 which has all the bells

00:46:01.580 and whistles that you need

00:46:02.440 plus you'll get

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00:46:04.020 15 gigs of data

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00:46:06.380 all for just 50 bucks a month

00:46:07.840 that is half the price

00:46:09.340 of the big guys

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00:46:28.680 I think

00:46:29.600 I don't know

00:46:29.960 I think spiritually

00:46:30.580 maybe I just have

00:46:31.260 some questions there

00:46:32.060 which gets me into

00:46:33.160 your beliefs

00:46:34.060 you're a Catholic

00:46:34.660 I am

00:46:35.100 I just found this out today

00:46:36.440 I'm a Catholic

00:46:37.060 I was actually given

00:46:38.160 spiritual guidance

00:46:39.360 by Catholic nuns

00:46:40.240 when I was 11 and 12

00:46:41.240 that's incredible

00:46:41.860 for two years

00:46:42.320 now is faith still

00:46:43.340 a part of your life

00:46:43.940 or would you say

00:46:44.440 a bit of a departure

00:46:45.280 do you go to mass

00:46:46.020 I go to mass

00:46:47.220 but not a lot

00:46:48.180 I don't go to weekly mass

00:46:49.820 but I do go to mass

00:46:50.520 and my mother's still

00:46:52.200 a very staunch Catholic

00:46:53.400 raised us all as Catholics

00:46:54.940 I believe in God

00:46:56.320 I believe in Catholicism

00:46:58.860 what it stands for

00:46:59.720 yeah

00:47:00.940 I mean

00:47:01.400 we all do

00:47:02.360 in my family

00:47:03.220 we're a big Catholic family

00:47:04.240 and yeah

00:47:05.480 I take a lot of

00:47:06.400 comfort from it actually

00:47:07.220 and I have a lot of

00:47:08.280 debates with people

00:47:08.840 like Richard Dawkins

00:47:09.880 and these guys

00:47:10.460 and I'm like

00:47:10.880 you know

00:47:11.520 ultimately it comes down

00:47:12.400 to this for me

00:47:12.980 the atheist can never

00:47:15.120 explain to me

00:47:15.680 what happened

00:47:16.160 before nothing

00:47:16.820 and because the human brain

00:47:19.220 cannot answer that question

00:47:20.900 because how can you

00:47:21.900 there has to be

00:47:23.320 an acceptance

00:47:23.860 there is a

00:47:24.600 higher being

00:47:25.500 there has to be

00:47:26.340 otherwise you'd be able

00:47:27.520 to answer that question

00:47:28.400 and they look at me

00:47:29.600 completely like

00:47:30.260 enraged

00:47:30.800 but I'm like

00:47:31.180 no you can't answer it

00:47:32.260 because you'd have to be

00:47:34.360 a superior being

00:47:35.980 to a human being

00:47:37.480 to be able to comprehend

00:47:38.980 that kind of question

00:47:39.920 so because we can't

00:47:41.280 comprehend it

00:47:41.800 there has to be

00:47:42.320 something bigger

00:47:42.820 absolutely

00:47:43.300 and I just think

00:47:44.240 they love logic

00:47:46.000 and I'm like

00:47:47.180 well okay

00:47:47.620 but religion actually

00:47:48.480 carries with it

00:47:49.040 a lot of other things

00:47:49.780 other than just

00:47:50.280 pure logic

00:47:51.240 but just on the logic alone

00:47:53.100 that's why I'm right

00:47:54.520 and you're wrong

00:47:55.120 I think

00:47:56.360 it drives them nuts

00:47:57.400 I make the exact same argument

00:47:58.540 I'm like

00:47:58.960 God is like

00:47:59.660 the most logical thing

00:48:00.580 in the world

00:48:00.880 because you can't

00:48:01.420 explain to me this

00:48:02.100 so obviously

00:48:02.520 there has to be

00:48:03.120 someone

00:48:03.340 and then I think

00:48:04.100 it comes down

00:48:04.540 to other things

00:48:05.000 which is

00:48:05.280 what do you want

00:48:05.980 out of religion

00:48:06.540 and out of God

00:48:07.160 you know

00:48:07.400 I find it comforting

00:48:08.440 to pray

00:48:08.940 right

00:48:09.620 I've done

00:48:10.420 I don't do it

00:48:10.960 all the time

00:48:11.440 I don't pray

00:48:11.920 every night

00:48:12.420 but there are times

00:48:13.460 difficult times

00:48:14.480 in your life

00:48:14.880 when you just

00:48:15.300 want to say a prayer

00:48:15.980 and I've had prayers

00:48:16.980 answered

00:48:17.380 and I've seen it happen

00:48:19.520 might be complete coincidence

00:48:20.980 of course it might be

00:48:21.940 but the power

00:48:22.920 of having a faith

00:48:23.800 that somebody out there

00:48:25.020 has that ability

00:48:26.220 to help you

00:48:27.180 is pretty strong

00:48:28.400 and I think

00:48:29.460 the people that have

00:48:30.240 that really feel it

00:48:31.540 and if other people

00:48:33.320 don't feel it

00:48:34.440 and don't like it

00:48:35.240 and don't want it

00:48:35.880 okay

00:48:36.180 but why do you obsess

00:48:37.740 as they all seem to do

00:48:38.920 about what we believe

00:48:40.380 have your own non-belief

00:48:42.060 and believe in that

00:48:42.840 you're fine

00:48:43.220 but shut up about it

00:48:44.360 why does it bother you

00:48:45.680 nothing to do with you

00:48:47.140 whether I believe in God

00:48:48.160 or not

00:48:48.560 right

00:48:49.000 if you don't

00:48:49.580 fine

00:48:49.920 if you think

00:48:50.560 at the end of your life

00:48:51.480 that's it

00:48:52.000 you're worm food

00:48:52.800 and nothing happens

00:48:53.880 fine

00:48:54.140 I will die a lot

00:48:55.300 happier than you

00:48:56.060 because I think

00:48:57.060 there's a lot of good stuff

00:48:58.140 waiting for me up there

00:48:59.060 and that makes me feel good

00:49:00.640 you must as you get

00:49:01.920 nearer and nearer death

00:49:02.820 feel absolutely

00:49:03.840 bloody terrible

00:49:04.780 because you're thinking

00:49:06.080 that's it

00:49:06.960 forever

00:49:08.000 and you can't even say

00:49:09.320 what forever is

00:49:10.160 because you haven't

00:49:11.160 got any faith

00:49:11.860 I don't think anybody

00:49:12.940 dies in atheists

00:49:13.680 I think in those final moments

00:49:14.640 they're like

00:49:14.940 okay you know what

00:49:15.500 I bet there's a lot of

00:49:16.180 conversion at the last minute

00:49:17.220 exactly

00:49:17.560 just in case I'm wrong

00:49:18.580 okay so I want to ask you

00:49:20.000 this question

00:49:20.440 you like me

00:49:21.500 have tons of kids

00:49:22.360 a lot obviously

00:49:23.660 which means that we have

00:49:24.540 an investment in what's going on

00:49:25.580 a real investment

00:49:26.280 in what's going on

00:49:26.700 I think it's important

00:49:27.220 to have children

00:49:27.780 because of this by the way

00:49:28.720 because then the

00:49:30.260 political discussions

00:49:31.120 are more weighted

00:49:32.420 and you're saying things

00:49:33.500 that are going to impact

00:49:34.360 your children's future

00:49:35.220 what would you say

00:49:37.740 like and by the way

00:49:38.560 I want to say

00:49:38.840 you're also a rare person

00:49:39.840 that you've been able

00:49:40.740 to metamorphosize

00:49:42.220 which is very rare

00:49:43.360 changing times

00:49:45.140 changing social economy

00:49:46.360 now we're online

00:49:47.660 now you're on YouTube

00:49:48.820 what would you say

00:49:50.340 is your biggest concern

00:49:52.140 biggest fear

00:49:53.600 like explicitly

00:49:54.720 what is your biggest fear

00:49:56.380 about the direction

00:49:57.420 of the world right now

00:49:58.140 when you think of that

00:49:58.660 just as a parent

00:49:59.280 I mean it's interesting

00:50:00.140 what you said about

00:50:00.620 my own evolution

00:50:01.720 a lot of that's driven

00:50:02.600 by my kids

00:50:03.220 so when you have kids

00:50:04.720 you see how they operate

00:50:06.540 you see how they read

00:50:07.660 what they consume

00:50:08.700 what they watch

00:50:09.420 I'd switch to YouTube

00:50:10.900 because I could see

00:50:11.600 none of them watch TV

00:50:12.380 and none of them buy

00:50:13.300 newspapers

00:50:13.880 so I thought

00:50:14.800 whoa hang on

00:50:15.640 and they're all like

00:50:16.580 in their 30s

00:50:17.320 in their 20s

00:50:18.020 and none of them

00:50:19.080 are doing the stuff

00:50:19.680 that I did

00:50:20.140 what are they doing

00:50:21.140 oh they're all watching

00:50:21.720 a single YouTube

00:50:22.300 okay how about

00:50:22.820 become a YouTuber

00:50:23.460 literally as simple as that

00:50:24.720 they were like

00:50:25.360 dad no

00:50:25.780 none of our friends

00:50:27.200 watch this TV stuff

00:50:28.560 right

00:50:28.760 it's all through YouTube

00:50:29.960 you realise that

00:50:30.620 get onto YouTube dad

00:50:31.820 and now they all watch it

00:50:33.160 so they've kept you in it

00:50:35.140 they've kept you in the game

00:50:35.880 I think kids

00:50:36.580 not only keep you

00:50:37.620 fresh and alive

00:50:38.880 and having a purpose

00:50:40.500 but they also

00:50:41.480 they also make you

00:50:42.880 less narcissistic

00:50:44.120 a streak I've certainly

00:50:45.500 had over the years

00:50:46.340 because ultimately

00:50:47.780 it's about them

00:50:48.880 not you

00:50:49.360 and when you become

00:50:50.520 a parent

00:50:50.900 you understand that

00:50:52.140 and you become

00:50:53.260 much more concerned

00:50:54.080 about their welfare

00:50:54.980 and what's happening

00:50:55.580 to them

00:50:56.000 than you do for yourself

00:50:57.160 it's a good thing

00:50:57.960 for people

00:50:58.420 to become parents

00:50:59.520 for that reason

00:51:00.080 if nothing else

00:51:00.680 it's the ego's solution

00:51:02.660 I can tell you

00:51:03.880 but secondly

00:51:05.020 in terms of what

00:51:06.060 I care about for them

00:51:07.160 I think it's

00:51:08.260 you know

00:51:08.560 it's a lot of things

00:51:09.160 I think that

00:51:09.720 I always try and remind them

00:51:10.960 because all their friends

00:51:12.260 have anxiety issues

00:51:13.680 and things

00:51:14.040 it's interesting

00:51:14.560 it's a generational thing

00:51:16.180 they're getting bombarded

00:51:17.520 I mean that Jonathan Haight book

00:51:18.780 about from 2010

00:51:20.520 how smartphones

00:51:21.380 the moment they became smart

00:51:22.600 started bombarding kids

00:51:23.960 with all this negative

00:51:24.700 dopamine stuff

00:51:25.400 all the time

00:51:25.860 I think it's a real problem

00:51:27.020 and I think that young brains

00:51:28.700 get scrambled

00:51:29.320 by the constant negativity

00:51:30.420 I think about

00:51:30.960 when I was young

00:51:32.020 there were wars going on

00:51:33.420 but you never saw

00:51:34.080 any of the graphic stuff

00:51:34.960 you had no way of seeing it

00:51:36.240 it wouldn't be shown

00:51:37.580 on the relatively sanitised

00:51:39.500 news broadcasts

00:51:40.500 there was no internet

00:51:41.560 there were no phones

00:51:42.380 nothing else

00:51:42.800 you couldn't

00:51:43.580 the newspapers wouldn't run

00:51:44.980 the really gory stuff

00:51:46.360 now if you go on X

00:51:47.800 in the middle of

00:51:48.460 and tap in Ukraine

00:51:49.820 or Gaza

00:51:50.600 or whatever

00:51:50.880 the most horrific stuff

00:51:52.140 comes up all day long

00:51:53.200 if you're a young

00:51:54.220 17, 18 year old

00:51:55.380 exposed to that

00:51:56.260 it must have a very

00:51:57.360 corrosive effect on you

00:51:58.360 and it must make you

00:51:59.360 start to catastrophize

00:52:00.500 because you think

00:52:01.000 this is what everything

00:52:01.980 in the world

00:52:02.960 is like now

00:52:04.860 the reality

00:52:05.940 is the opposite

00:52:06.740 interestingly

00:52:08.420 in recorded history

00:52:09.560 this is by far

00:52:10.600 the best time

00:52:11.140 to ever be alive

00:52:11.900 there are fewer wars

00:52:13.440 at the moment

00:52:13.940 raging

00:52:14.420 than in recorded history

00:52:15.980 in the time period

00:52:17.580 there's less child poverty

00:52:19.660 water is cleaner

00:52:21.080 and killing less people

00:52:22.060 there are less

00:52:23.080 like insects

00:52:23.880 killing millions of people

00:52:25.100 a lot of the insects

00:52:26.020 that kill people

00:52:27.120 have been eradicated

00:52:28.360 the death counts

00:52:29.620 on those

00:52:30.040 little things

00:52:30.860 which can have

00:52:31.220 huge effects

00:52:31.940 in continents

00:52:33.220 like Africa

00:52:33.880 people are

00:52:35.860 living longer

00:52:36.840 they're living healthier

00:52:37.820 they are better educated

00:52:39.800 and so on

00:52:40.900 and you go through

00:52:41.380 every metric of life

00:52:42.720 and actually

00:52:43.760 I could present

00:52:45.240 a compelling argument

00:52:46.400 to these kids

00:52:46.900 why are you so anxious

00:52:48.220 compared to

00:52:48.840 every generation

00:52:50.260 that's gone before you

00:52:51.240 you've never had it

00:52:52.380 so good

00:52:52.900 and yet saying that

00:52:54.360 is self-defeating

00:52:55.140 because they do feel bad

00:52:56.440 and they do feel anxious

00:52:57.880 and a lot of it

00:52:58.880 is around phones

00:52:59.620 I've got no doubt

00:53:00.460 and we have to

00:53:01.580 as a responsible generation

00:53:03.000 now of people

00:53:03.860 we have to understand that

00:53:05.500 empathize with them

00:53:06.940 and help them get out of it

00:53:08.180 and also I think

00:53:09.940 we have to

00:53:10.720 attack head on

00:53:12.300 the other aspects

00:53:13.220 of the woke mind virus

00:53:14.280 which is so destructive

00:53:15.120 the participation prize culture

00:53:18.120 where little Johnny

00:53:19.540 comes last in a race

00:53:20.740 at school

00:53:21.100 and gets given a prize

00:53:22.000 how does that prepare

00:53:23.240 little Johnny

00:53:23.740 for the real world

00:53:24.440 because if you come last

00:53:25.700 at work

00:53:26.060 let me tell you

00:53:26.520 you get fired

00:53:27.260 if you do it often enough

00:53:28.400 you don't get a prize

00:53:29.580 your prize is

00:53:30.600 you get given a cab home

00:53:32.420 if you're lucky

00:53:32.920 and that's it

00:53:34.000 celebrating failure

00:53:37.160 over success

00:53:38.160 being ashamed

00:53:39.200 of being successful

00:53:40.000 and beating your chest

00:53:40.840 because somehow

00:53:41.380 that's something

00:53:42.160 to be frowned upon

00:53:43.540 whereas if you lose

00:53:44.560 somehow you're

00:53:45.300 sort of vaingloriously heroic

00:53:46.600 well when did that start

00:53:47.980 you know people say

00:53:49.080 I just passed my driving test

00:53:50.640 at the 8th attempt

00:53:51.580 I'm so proud of myself

00:53:52.660 really

00:53:53.300 why aren't you ashamed

00:53:54.380 of yourself

00:53:54.900 I'd keep that

00:53:55.780 bloody quiet

00:53:56.720 if I were you

00:53:57.320 what are you boasting about

00:53:59.140 8 times

00:54:00.460 how dumb are you

00:54:02.200 and by the way

00:54:03.100 why are you driving

00:54:04.120 I don't want you

00:54:04.600 out on the road

00:54:05.160 right

00:54:05.700 and yet they're proud

00:54:06.840 of themselves

00:54:07.260 and they share it

00:54:08.180 and I see all the comments

00:54:09.040 so proud of you babes

00:54:10.440 fantastic babes

00:54:11.580 I'm not saying

00:54:12.360 it's just necessarily

00:54:13.020 a woman

00:54:13.280 it could be anybody

00:54:13.980 but it's just

00:54:15.460 this constant celebration

00:54:16.920 of failure

00:54:17.620 or weakness

00:54:18.800 mediocrity

00:54:19.480 mediocrity

00:54:20.440 and also this thing

00:54:21.380 about you know

00:54:22.260 you mustn't push people

00:54:23.520 to try and achieve

00:54:24.320 their best

00:54:24.780 because it's bad

00:54:25.280 for their mental health

00:54:26.040 no

00:54:26.300 what's bad

00:54:27.080 for their mental health

00:54:27.880 is not being able

00:54:28.480 to deal with the real world

00:54:29.560 so push people

00:54:30.740 to be physically

00:54:31.680 and mentally

00:54:32.300 strong as they can

00:54:33.680 to deal with the reality

00:54:34.720 my favorite speech

00:54:36.220 in movies

00:54:36.800 is Rocky Balboa

00:54:37.840 to his son

00:54:39.020 the spoiled brat son

00:54:40.320 in the sixth movie

00:54:41.140 when he finally has it out

00:54:42.640 with him in the street

00:54:43.200 and he says

00:54:43.580 life is not about

00:54:44.400 how hard you can hit

00:54:45.260 life's about how hard

00:54:46.440 you can get hit

00:54:47.180 get back up

00:54:48.160 and keep moving forward

00:54:49.100 that's how winning is done

00:54:50.400 we've lost that

00:54:51.760 as a society

00:54:52.720 now it's like

00:54:53.700 you throw yourself

00:54:55.120 on the ground

00:54:55.800 almost punch yourself

00:54:56.980 in the face

00:54:57.640 lie there

00:54:58.680 wallowing in your own misery

00:55:00.240 and everyone

00:55:01.580 fawns all over you

00:55:02.820 and celebrates

00:55:03.680 your weakness

00:55:04.400 how does that help

00:55:05.840 any part of that equation

00:55:07.300 it doesn't

00:55:08.180 so we've become

00:55:09.180 become a society

00:55:10.580 it's changing

00:55:11.260 I think the Trump win again

00:55:13.440 is a big moment

00:55:14.220 in the sand for this

00:55:15.160 to say no

00:55:16.120 actually

00:55:16.700 and particularly for young men

00:55:18.120 you can be proud

00:55:19.500 of being a young man

00:55:20.360 you don't have to hate yourself

00:55:22.120 just because every corporate

00:55:23.220 woke marketing campaign

00:55:25.460 told you that

00:55:26.100 you're all hateful

00:55:26.940 losers

00:55:27.700 until you can prove

00:55:28.800 you're not all a bunch

00:55:29.460 of Harvey Weinstein

00:55:30.180 is running around

00:55:30.800 right

00:55:31.400 now men are being told

00:55:32.760 it's okay to be a guy

00:55:33.700 and you can be proud

00:55:35.080 and by the way

00:55:35.600 and if you are

00:55:36.120 here are the things

00:55:36.660 that you should do

00:55:37.200 to be a good man

00:55:38.660 in life

00:55:39.220 but you can beat your chest

00:55:40.160 a bit

00:55:40.400 you can celebrate achievement

00:55:41.460 you can want to win

00:55:42.620 you can celebrate winning

00:55:44.220 and you can hate losing

00:55:45.780 actually

00:55:46.360 it's fine

00:55:46.940 to hate losing

00:55:48.000 nothing good about losing

00:55:49.280 it wants to lose

00:55:50.560 let alone celebrate it

00:55:51.820 so I do think

00:55:52.900 there's all these things

00:55:53.920 where I feel

00:55:55.360 there's a correction going

00:55:56.340 I feel like the woke worm

00:55:57.580 has turned quite rapidly

00:55:59.460 since Trump's win

00:56:00.640 in a way it became

00:56:01.920 the catalyst

00:56:02.500 because everything

00:56:03.260 Kamala Harris stood for

00:56:04.280 was all this crap

00:56:05.420 everything Biden stood for

00:56:07.080 was all this crap

00:56:07.940 and that ad he did

00:56:10.000 you know

00:56:10.220 Kamala's for they

00:56:11.020 them

00:56:11.280 Trump's for you

00:56:12.060 devastating

00:56:13.080 devastating

00:56:14.180 because in one simple ad

00:56:16.480 it told the story

00:56:17.360 what does they

00:56:18.300 them mean

00:56:18.780 there's only one person

00:56:19.800 sitting there

00:56:20.480 how can one person

00:56:22.240 be they them

00:56:23.140 Sam Smith can't remember

00:56:24.940 if he's Sam

00:56:25.700 him

00:56:26.300 her

00:56:27.000 or they them

00:56:27.940 must be incredibly

00:56:29.180 confusing

00:56:29.800 when he gets up

00:56:30.420 in the morning

00:56:30.880 but why do we have

00:56:31.920 to pander to this

00:56:32.660 bullsh**

00:56:33.280 right so

00:56:34.280 I thought I was

00:56:36.520 liberal

00:56:36.900 right

00:56:37.920 but all this stuff

00:56:38.720 just sounds

00:56:39.300 completely insane

00:56:40.440 to me

00:56:40.920 I think we're all

00:56:41.540 just rational

00:56:42.200 because I find myself

00:56:43.520 too I'm like

00:56:43.880 I don't know

00:56:44.360 if I'm conservative

00:56:45.100 because then I see

00:56:45.980 conservatives doing

00:56:47.020 the woke stuff

00:56:47.720 on anti-semitism

00:56:48.520 and I'm like

00:56:48.800 you know what

00:56:49.240 then I find people

00:56:50.020 on the left

00:56:50.480 are now following me

00:56:51.320 and I go

00:56:51.640 I think what's happening

00:56:52.780 is actually like

00:56:53.480 nature is correcting

00:56:54.340 and rather than

00:56:54.940 us seeing ourselves

00:56:55.700 as you're on the left

00:56:56.720 you're on the right

00:56:57.220 it's like

00:56:57.560 are you sane

00:56:58.460 are you like a sane

00:56:59.540 person in the middle

00:57:00.900 yes

00:57:01.540 I say look

00:57:02.500 take you

00:57:03.180 like me

00:57:04.540 you have a divisive

00:57:05.260 reputation

00:57:05.740 but I say

00:57:06.500 do you ever actually

00:57:07.080 watch Candice

00:57:07.880 right

00:57:08.180 I mean I would say

00:57:08.980 to people

00:57:09.300 when I tweet this

00:57:09.980 just watch this

00:57:10.760 do you get the feeling

00:57:11.700 you're in front of

00:57:12.240 a screaming lunatic

00:57:13.480 right

00:57:14.740 or not

00:57:15.580 and of course

00:57:16.400 you're not

00:57:17.480 right

00:57:17.780 so

00:57:18.100 I'm not saying

00:57:19.160 you're perfect

00:57:19.780 and you wouldn't

00:57:20.260 say I am

00:57:20.860 but I don't

00:57:22.660 see the characterisation

00:57:23.880 of you

00:57:24.240 that I read about

00:57:25.060 you have your moments

00:57:26.240 I have mine

00:57:26.680 I had a hilarious

00:57:27.360 conversation with Trump

00:57:28.140 the other day

00:57:28.480 where he said

00:57:28.820 you know Piers

00:57:29.600 you're a good guy

00:57:30.180 you have your bad moments

00:57:31.620 and I went

00:57:31.940 well don't we all

00:57:32.880 Mr President

00:57:33.500 and people laughing

00:57:35.880 and he accepted

00:57:37.020 he said true

00:57:37.540 true

00:57:37.840 but it's

00:57:38.880 everybody obviously

00:57:40.240 has that

00:57:40.820 but we live

00:57:42.420 in a weird

00:57:42.860 place now

00:57:43.640 where your bad

00:57:44.980 moments get

00:57:45.460 massively amplified

00:57:46.460 and all the other

00:57:47.840 stuff which would

00:57:48.620 counter that

00:57:49.280 in a normal

00:57:49.700 conversation

00:57:50.340 where you're down

00:57:51.240 the pub with someone

00:57:51.980 and you say

00:57:52.280 something stupid

00:57:52.880 and you say

00:57:53.940 a lot of good stuff

00:57:54.680 and then

00:57:54.880 oh actually

00:57:55.320 it's a good bloke

00:57:55.860 you don't see

00:57:56.760 any of that

00:57:57.220 all you see

00:57:57.760 is the tribe

00:57:58.600 seize on the moment

00:58:00.160 and flam it out

00:58:02.420 and say

00:58:03.200 this is that person

00:58:04.280 look how awful

00:58:05.120 they are

00:58:05.660 and it gets amplified

00:58:06.700 around the world

00:58:07.600 before anyone

00:58:08.400 can stop it

00:58:09.100 and before you know it

00:58:10.180 you're the most reviled

00:58:11.180 human being on earth

00:58:12.020 you're like

00:58:12.240 how did that happen

00:58:13.360 only for a minute

00:58:14.720 cancel culture

00:58:15.320 is officially over

00:58:16.140 I think it is

00:58:16.820 it's been cancelled

00:58:18.480 which is amazing

00:58:19.360 which leads me

00:58:20.080 to this last question

00:58:20.900 for you Piers

00:58:21.420 what is next for you

00:58:22.400 I think you're quite amazing

00:58:23.540 you found this

00:58:24.740 really sweet spot

00:58:25.820 people look to you now

00:58:27.380 they respect you

00:58:28.400 for hosting the debate

00:58:29.640 you know

00:58:30.400 and that puts you

00:58:31.600 you're in a unique

00:58:32.340 position right now

00:58:33.100 so what's next

00:58:34.040 I feel excited

00:58:34.880 about the potential

00:58:35.700 for uncensored

00:58:36.720 actually

00:58:37.240 I think I hit on

00:58:38.280 a very good title

00:58:39.180 for my show

00:58:39.820 I want to expand it

00:58:41.380 I've looked to other

00:58:42.160 places in the digital space

00:58:43.800 where they're getting

00:58:44.140 bigger and bigger

00:58:44.700 obviously you're one of them

00:58:45.520 you've got to find

00:58:46.820 your own thing

00:58:47.420 what is your own thing

00:58:48.420 my thing is

00:58:49.760 I'm not an ideologue

00:58:50.720 coming at it

00:58:51.300 left or right

00:58:51.860 and just pumping

00:58:52.740 my view about stuff

00:58:53.800 and people coming on

00:58:54.980 and talking to me

00:58:55.540 about that

00:58:56.020 my view is

00:58:56.900 I am the ringmaster

00:58:57.960 now to I think

00:58:58.680 really important debates

00:58:59.680 about all the most

00:59:00.780 important stuff

00:59:01.380 in the world

00:59:01.800 I also love doing

00:59:03.040 the one-on-ones

00:59:03.640 with everyone

00:59:04.800 from whether it's

00:59:06.140 Kanye to Trump

00:59:07.580 to Zelensky

00:59:08.860 I don't mind who it is

00:59:09.940 I like sitting down

00:59:10.820 with people doing

00:59:11.280 the longer form

00:59:11.980 one-on-ones too

00:59:12.720 and that combination

00:59:14.000 all playing to

00:59:15.360 what I think

00:59:15.840 at my core

00:59:16.380 is what I am

00:59:17.200 and what I'm now

00:59:18.040 very proud to celebrate

00:59:19.200 more which is

00:59:19.840 being a journalist

00:59:20.760 being a journalist

00:59:21.860 who challenges everybody

00:59:22.940 not worrying about

00:59:24.320 being boxed into

00:59:25.200 left or right

00:59:25.900 or any kind of position

00:59:26.960 but actually just

00:59:28.200 holding everybody

00:59:29.040 to account

00:59:29.640 and trying to get

00:59:30.900 that most precious

00:59:31.760 of things to come out

00:59:32.840 which is the truth

00:59:33.840 not my truth

00:59:35.420 or their truth

00:59:36.600 or Meghan Markle's

00:59:37.880 version of a truth

00:59:38.680 but the truth

00:59:40.060 and once you have

00:59:41.900 the truth

00:59:42.460 everyone can have

00:59:43.600 an opinion

00:59:44.020 when you muck around

00:59:45.640 with the truth

00:59:46.340 and you lie

00:59:48.200 about facts

00:59:48.920 which are

00:59:49.280 incontrovertible

00:59:50.320 that act

00:59:51.520 doesn't fly

00:59:52.160 so I see myself

00:59:53.800 now as the great

00:59:54.580 truth finder

00:59:55.920 in the world

00:59:57.120 on the YouTube

00:59:58.060 and the internet

00:59:58.580 which is no bad thing

00:59:59.800 I love it

01:00:00.840 well you guys

01:00:01.440 there we have it

01:00:02.360 Piers Morgan

01:00:03.080 we got some opinions

01:00:04.080 actually solid

01:00:05.300 I've actually

01:00:06.020 totally loved

01:00:06.660 everything that he said here

01:00:07.480 so that is the

01:00:08.660 real Piers Morgan

01:00:10.060 uncensored

01:00:10.740 thanks for joining us

01:00:11.720 I'll see you next time

01:00:13.460 I'll see you next time

01:00:13.720 I'll see you next time

01:00:14.280 I'll see you next time

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01:00:20.920 I'll see you next time

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Candace Owens - December 18, 2024

Piers Morgan x Candace Owens ｜ Candace Ep 123

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