Join Candice and Ray J as he sits down with actress, singer, entrepreneur, and social media influencer, Danielle Taylor, to discuss gender identity, mental health, and the trans community. In this episode, Danielle shares her story of growing up in a small town in Australia and how she came to understand her gender identity through her role as a trans woman on the hit TV show, "The Girls Club" on the Tronis Network. She also shares her experience of coming out as a transgender woman and how it has impacted her life, and how that impacted her career, as well as what it means to be a trans person in today's society. This episode is brought to you by Humber River Health Foundation. From the discovery of insulin in 1921 to the promise of universal healthcare in 1966, now we face our biggest challenge yet, a cure for healthcare, reduced wait times, safer patients, and advancements in technology, the end of hallway medicine. Help us innovate to keep healthcare alive by Donate at Healthcarelives.ca. Don t miss out on the latest episode of Candice's Candace's Candice Candace and the team as they discuss the importance of mental health and gender identity in the LGBTQ+ community, and why it is so important to have a safe, inclusive, and culturally sensitive conversation about it. . This episode was produced in partnership with the Troni Network. and the HumberRiver Health Foundation, a non-profit organization that helps keep healthcare innovations alive and accessible for LGBTQ+ patients everywhere. Thank you for supporting our mission to keep our patients safe, accessible, affordable, and accessible! in a world where they can access the care they need and support their very best care and access the best care, and access their health and supports their healthiest and most effective care, in the best possible way possible. Thank you to our sponsors, and we thank you for all of our supporters everywhere! Your support is so we can keep healthcare and support our patients getting the care that keeps us all a chance to live their best day-to-day lives, every day, everywhere they can be their best shot, every chance they get the most of their day to live a good day, and they get it all of their dreams, no matter where they care, they deserve it, not only in the most beautiful day, they are a day to get it, and most of it is possible, a day they are most needed.
00:02:47.320Also, very happy that you were willing to even have a discussion because a lot of times you see people that are on opposing sides do not want to speak.
00:02:53.300And I think that's guided by a lot of fear and sometimes by a lot of cowardice.
00:02:57.640So, Danielle, how did you get mixed in with Ray J?
00:03:01.120And what made you want to be here today?
00:03:07.460When Ray and the team called me, obviously, the first emotions that go through your head is, oh, my God, I'm scared.
00:03:13.980Like, I don't know if I'm ready and to be completely vulnerable.
00:03:18.160I thought this is, I don't want to use the word easy, but for me as a trans person, and I have been for 20 years, there's been so many conversations that I've had worldwide with people.
00:03:30.380And as like a mature, classy, wise person that I would like to say I am, you understand perspective and it's all how you come at a conversation.
00:03:40.260So that's why I agreed to be here, because I was like, I want to do this for me, for the community, and most of all for Ray, Tronix, and the Girls Club, because we have created something really special.
00:04:24.360And, um, yeah, my experience as being trans, um, dated back to, and I know this is controversial and people are going to be like, uh, when I say it.
00:04:32.140But the first, um, verbalization of me feeling trans was when I was four.
00:04:37.740And, um, my mum told me this when I got older because I'd verbalized to her, um, basically that I was comparing myself to my older sister.
00:04:47.300And, cause I have an older sister and two younger now.
00:04:50.260And, um, just feelings and displaying certain things.
00:04:54.740And I won't obviously get into every detail cause I'll try to summarize, but basically growing up in Perth, it was an experience that I had to take on alone.
00:05:04.840My parents and family were kind of from the country.
00:05:07.500West Australian had no idea about anything to do with trans or the LGBTQ.
00:05:12.740Um, and we've got to remember, cause this was 20 years ago and in Australia, the journey was completely on my own back.
00:05:19.260So everything that I felt and resonated with, it was up to me to do the research, everything that I'd seen on the TV was sensationalized and kind of crazy.
00:05:30.040And we all know the viewers listening, what I'm talking about, um, the misrepresentations and things like that.
00:05:36.320So, yeah, it was a very lonely journey.
00:05:38.480Um, you only have to talk to someone in the community to know that I was a trailblazer for what I did because I was literally basically the only one for a while.
00:05:47.900Um, doing what I was doing and yeah, life's been a journey since then and it still is.
00:06:00.520So I've always had like a biological mother and father and two step parents.
00:06:05.220And how did your parents deal with you?
00:06:08.400I guess the first question is when did you first communicate your feelings about your identity and how did your parents respond to it?
00:06:15.000Um, so at this, and obviously I say this is according to what my mom later told, because to be honest, I don't remember when I was four.
00:06:22.920I only have like vivid memories, maybe from five, six up.
00:06:26.700Um, but basically what it would be is me and my mom were always particularly really close.
00:06:31.740I just was, you know, always gravitated towards my mom and my mom's, you know, just everything to me.
00:06:37.580And, um, she would say that she would just, you know, notice like certain things that were different to the other kids.
00:06:44.440And when I'd vocalized to her, how I felt and that I kept comparing myself to Ashton and I, that's my older sister and would, um, talk like even about genitalia, which obviously I didn't understand at that time.
00:06:56.580But I even physically did things to myself that made no sense, kind of like to her, um, in comparison to why I wasn't like my sister when we'd have bath time and things like that.
00:07:06.760So, um, that was the first verbalization.
00:07:09.460And then as I got older, it just got stronger because I was able to verbalize things more.
00:07:15.980But the interesting thing was, and once again, this is only my experience.
00:07:20.420And I'm just speaking today from a personal experience of being trans.
00:07:24.620Um, when I was being really out there with my vocalizations about being trans, all of a sudden, when I had realized in school that it wasn't appropriate to be saying those things and it wasn't normal and it was weird,
00:07:38.740or I could be bullied for it, I completely went the opposite and I never brought it up again.
00:07:44.620So that was kind of like late primary to full high school.
00:07:48.120It was never a topic to my family ever again until I graduated.
00:08:00.840Um, and they obviously separated for their own reasons.
00:08:03.900Um, my mother explained to me years later when I had the maturity that they got a divorce based on just a complete lack of, um, compatibility, you know, and people got married then just kind of because they had to and popped out a few kids.
00:08:19.660Um, so they knew that when they divorced that they had to do the best for us.
00:08:24.120My dad is, this is what I like to explain to a lot of people because a lot of, um, people that see men with their, um, LGBTQ children have kind of a femininity to them or they act in a certain way.
00:08:47.080Um, he's known as Whitey, the football player in Bunbury, um, very, you know, just that alpha male.
00:08:54.380And the thing is for, for, cause I'm going to be honest today, obviously, just to get the story right.
00:08:59.960Obviously my dad struggled with it more than my mom, but what later on came in the years, like later on when we converse was my dad said his issue was, it was never accepting and understanding.
00:09:12.320Cause he could see it with his own eyes my whole life, but it was the communication that he lacked on.
00:09:17.080So he couldn't talk to me how my mom could.
00:09:20.000And this, a last followup question regarding your father, when they got separated, when you were six years old, was he involved in your life?
00:09:52.900And so, and I'm glad Danielle, that you were very honest about the fact that your mother told you that when you were four, you said this and had done some things.
00:10:01.340And so she kind of says this was always there because I have young children and I know how stupid kids are.
00:10:06.980And I say that with all the love of my heart, but they say ridiculous things all the time.
00:10:10.840And, and one of the things that's been concerning to me is to hear so many celebrities try to, I guess, validate the stupidity of children and pretending and going, well, this must be real.
00:10:23.320I believe Charlize Theron had a daughter or a son, but the story goes one day in the bathtub, my son or daughter looked up at me and said, mommy, I'm a, I'm a girl.
00:10:33.800And that was it that Charlize Theron then allowed her child to begin transitioning.
00:10:37.960And that to me sounds like a mental disorder that the parent is suffering for some reason.
00:10:43.700And a lot of the times I've noticed this trend that it does tend to be single women that sort of encourage this thing.
00:10:49.800So I'd like to ask you if you're, you have a son.
00:10:58.060If your son was in a bathtub and your son said anything in the bathtub, dad, I'm a mermaid.
00:11:04.460Why would you then say, well, this must really mean that my four-year-old toddler, who also thinks he can fly, who also thinks like Santa Claus is real and can squeeze down the chimney.
00:11:16.300Why is it this thing that people go, oh, well, this must be a sign that my child's really struggling with identity?
00:11:58.540Um, but I didn't think of it in the sense of that yet.
00:12:02.440Just because, you know, again, they're young and, um, and they're learning things as they go, you know?
00:12:08.860Um, so piggyback off that as well, sorry to cut you off is with, that was like a really valid question, but I have to state that with my mom, what she did was, it wasn't a validation of really how I thought and acted on it straight away.
00:12:50.760Yeah, but I guess what I'm, I'm trying to say here is that your mother, even now, even if you're older and you make a decision for your mother to go back into a memory of something that every child goes through.
00:13:08.200And now you're seeing this sort of people trying to go backward.
00:13:11.220And I don't know if they're doing this out of protection or out of love and trying to pretend that they just want to validate the experience that you're having.
00:13:17.020But I don't feel comfortable, I don't feel like, oh, this must be real because you said this started when I was four.
00:13:22.840The first thing that comes to my head is mommy's got some issues, right?
00:13:25.860Because it's not like your mother said this, you know, whatever, you were kidding me, you were a toddler.
00:13:30.720But then I really noticed this thing when you were 18 years old and you're, well, actually your brain develops at the age of 26 years old.
00:13:36.360So that makes me a little bit uncomfortable because I do think, and I do see this pattern of single moms.
00:13:55.200I went through a phase where I had like, I think all girls went through this like tomboy phase.
00:13:59.180But I went through a phase when I was in fifth grade and I was acting, you know, I wanted to just play with the boys, thought the boys were having more fun.
00:14:04.160And I just thank God that this wasn't fashionable at the time.
00:14:08.720And I know that you're, you're definitely wasn't, but now it's like parents are just like, yay, I want my kid to be different.
00:15:07.020But even if she's doing that post because she wants to validate the pre, it's still dishonest to me because every parent knows that toddlers just say and do ridiculous things.
00:15:16.620And so if she's validating that for you now, then my fear is that maybe your mother was validating that for you out of love the entire time.
00:15:25.580But I want to jump back into your narrative before we talk about those aspects.
00:15:28.140So you said that when you were in high school, you, I guess, could just elaborate.
00:15:34.680I don't know if you were saying like you were trans or started saying some trans things and then people made you feel that you couldn't do that.
00:16:51.740So why would somebody say good morning girls to you if you weren't presenting as trans?
00:16:59.020Because that's why I'm saying that's how feminine I was in literally a school uniform, um, presenting as me, just me, just like whatever was perceived by the public as female.
00:17:30.140And I've grown up, just growing up and I've had friends who, um, were more feminine in class than, you know, other, other, you know, people.
00:17:42.300So we kind of could tell, you know what I mean?
00:17:45.340Even at a young age, what, um, what people want it to be and what, what people liked, but I still think even in liking and loving, um, pertaining to like the job at hand, the execution, being on time, making sure the work is done.
00:18:00.240And I think that's, that's what matters.
00:18:03.760And I think the privacy of like people's love and affection sometimes to me is TMI to, to the job at hand and to what we are and what we're all trying to accomplish and our goals.
00:18:17.560But I guess my question is, and I'm agreeing with you, actually we're in radical agreement here because I've gone to school and I've seen boys that are feminine.
00:18:33.640And so, and so I would like to know at what point did you go from just being a feminine boy to saying, no, actually I think it's more than that.
00:18:51.960So, um, like I stated before, it was always the internalized, um, thought process, but just because of my intellect at the time, I didn't know the possibilities of how I could execute it.
00:19:05.860And I guess that I was hoping when I got older, I would be able to gain more resources and more knowledge and it could be possible to, you know, match the outside of how I was thinking.
00:19:16.620But I want to specify that there was gay people in my school and like, y'all both agreed on like feminine gays.
00:19:24.260And it's so interesting because, and these guys will probably hear this because they're still on my Facebook, but it was so interesting because even in little old Perth, Australia, they still identified and treated these gay boys in my class different to me.
00:19:40.440It was like, they were the gays and I was the she.
00:19:43.320So even then with no knowledge and no understanding, they were still being like, it's different because these gay boys weren't like straight gays, as we call them.
00:19:53.800They were feminine gay boys and I was the she.
00:19:57.000So like, you can imagine that if that was the perception, it was matching what I was feeling, but I just wasn't vocalizing it.
00:20:05.660So when did you begin to vocalize that?
00:20:10.140I was very blessed in my family that they allowed me to do grade 11 and 12 at Kingsway Christian College.
00:20:16.320I was kind of like at a point at the school that I went to that was really rough that I wanted to graduate.
00:20:21.300And my auntie and like my family were at a local church and they got me into that school, which was really prestigious and stuff.
00:20:28.880And, you know, I could knuckle down and do my studies and graduate.
00:20:32.160And throughout that time, and especially being around like devout Christians and going to church and doing Bible study and things like that, I just knew how I felt and knew what I needed to do.
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00:52:38.800And I knew you probably knew I'd bring this up.
00:52:40.520But, you know, the APA states that it's not a mental disorder at all.
00:52:45.500So that's the American Psychiatric Association and also the World Health Order.
00:52:49.940And what they state is that it's actually just obviously gender dysphoria.
00:52:53.840And then the description from gender dysphoria is the feeling of distress from gender dysphoria.
00:52:59.660But then the interesting thing about this, and I want to bring this to you because this is, you know, I know that's your statement and that's mine.
00:53:05.680But what's interesting even about that to show how everyone is so unique is I don't even have gender dysphoria anymore because I don't ever feel or walk around feeling like a guy.
00:53:15.720Yeah. So see how it's like gender dysphoria.
00:53:19.040So gender dysphoria is when trans people feel dysphoria about like their gender.
00:53:26.280So in the sense of a trans woman being like, oh, my God, I feel, you know, manly today.
00:53:57.300Like, I don't even think about this on a day to day basis, but I am willing to come to the forefront and speak about trans rights and transness because I am.
00:54:06.980But I always want to show people worldwide that you can clearly see we're all different and we have different backgrounds.
00:54:12.840Like, I wish some of the guys that, you know, that are like in love and infatuated in this relationship, I wish they would come out and be like, yo, this is what it is.
00:54:45.380So I just want to go way back because there's, I do feel there was this intentional speeding through the Rachel Dolezal point before we get to the psychological, which there's a reason why the APA, which is in charge of psychology, is even commenting on this issue.
00:55:00.620Because they know that it's a psychiatric issue or they wouldn't have to comment on it.
00:55:04.520But, um, so Rachel Dolezal, I want to go back to that because this is a very important point.
00:55:09.320And I do feel you're peddling past because you realize this.
00:55:17.420This is an, this is an individual who is committed and living as a black person when, in fact, they were born with parents that are whiter than Snow.
00:55:44.920And have held to the point that Rachel Dolezal is not a black person.
00:55:48.980So if Rachel Dolezal is not a black person but believes that she is a black person on the inside, what is Rachel Dolezal suffering from?
00:55:56.920So for me personally, like I will say once again, because I don't know her story, but based on what you're telling me, I will go back to the point every time that what it sounds like is that she's costuming.
00:56:37.780If you are living your life as something that you are not and you believe inside of you that you are this, she's not hurting anybody, but she is suffering from a mental disorder.
00:56:49.480Now, I know somebody that's suffering from her.
00:57:26.540Rachel Dolezal could share a story and say, you know, from the time I was a kid when I was four, my mom looked down at me and said that you were showing characteristics of being black.
00:57:35.500And then when I was in school, everyone was like, Rachel, kind of like, you know, one of the black people.
00:57:41.760But she was kind of thick, too, right?
00:58:09.340And so I'm out here like, justice for Rachel Dolezal.
00:58:11.820Because if you're out here saying that you're a woman, then Rachel Dolezal has every right to be a black person.
00:58:16.180And the reason why Rachel Dolezal, that case study, makes you uncomfortable is because it hits the truth.
00:58:20.840It hits an objective reality, which is that you cannot just say because you're willing to get surgery or because you're willing to do your hair a certain way
00:58:29.460or that you're willing to wear makeup that you are something that you're not.
00:58:33.900Now, that said, I don't have an issue.
00:58:36.280Like, there's nothing that you're doing.
00:58:37.900And I think this is where, like, it gets mixed up, where people pretend there's some attack happening or we're saying that, you know, you need to be put into camps.
00:58:45.140No, I think actually you're a very nice person.
00:58:47.780You're just not a woman and you're never going to be a woman.
01:00:35.020But even without makeup, like, I can get photos and sent to you with me with no makeup, no editing, whatever.
01:00:39.680I'm more mean, like, in the sense, because this is also a huge topic that, and in the trans community, we call it being real or being passable.
01:00:48.740Those are just, like, street languages.
01:00:50.300And, you know, it doubles back to the fact that I don't sit on a couch at a restaurant or at a bus stop or whatever and be, like, trans or whatever.
01:01:00.320I actually pass as a biological female.
01:01:02.620So then it becomes my responsibility to, every day, educate people that I am trans.
01:01:07.920And that's usually out of respect because I like to be honest with men.
01:01:11.240I don't like to, you know, deceive anyone or lie or whatever.
01:01:14.720But my thing is, is if we were having a conversation and it wasn't about this and we were just vibing or if I went to your church and stuff, like, you're not looking at me as, like, a boy or, like, Ray and Glam.
01:01:26.420Well, if, to be fair, since I knew you were coming here, I feel like it's not a fair question to ask because, but to be clear, there are tons of, especially today, you could literally look at somebody on the internet and never know that they lived at the opposite sex.
01:02:06.580So when I put on the wig, because I was trying to get into this other character, so I put on the wig, I looked in the mirror, and I went, oh, my God.
01:02:58.160I think one of the things that when conservatives are speaking with people on this issue and people think that it's so hardcore and some of the, I guess, belligerence that I think people are sensing and there is a belligerence there.
01:03:10.320And the belligerence is coming from the fact that what used to be a very small minority of people who were suffering from gender dysphoria has now been mainstreamed and it's become a social contagion.
01:03:21.260And I feel particularly responsive to it because I did sit down with a person named Brianna.
01:03:26.280I don't know if you had time to watch this interview that I did.
01:03:29.580Brianna is still identifies as transgender.
01:03:46.400Yeah, and at the end of the day, Brianna realized he was just a gay guy and basically fell into the trap of meeting, seeing people online, seeing these shows that were produced who made them think it was going to be this easy thing and you were going to be happier on the other side when the majority of the people actually aren't.
01:04:00.980We know for a fact that suicide rates increase after transitioning, which they don't share.
01:04:06.760And so it feels to me, and especially, and I can ask this to you, Ray J, because you're presenting a show here and you're going to contribute to this culture of people thinking, just like Brianna Ivy did, that this is just, oh, this is a decision that's going to be super easy and this is just actually who you are and this is who you were born and this is who you can be.
01:04:24.420And that, to me, is just such a demonstrable lie.
01:04:28.280And it's a lie that's hurting children.
01:04:30.120You know, children are wanting to be like Ray J and thinking that this is cool and I'm going to hang out with some trans people and it's going to be dope.
01:04:38.140And they're having their entire lives.
01:04:39.720Like, that was the only time I almost cried on my show was when Brianna was just boo-hoo crying, sharing how deformed he is, how he wished he had heard voices like mine saying, like, you need to wait because you are going down a path and you're paying attention to culture, which is just trying to sell you the newest cigarette.
01:04:57.660And listen to the education that, like, hopefully now we can provide.
01:05:01.560We have the Gay Agency, we have Gay RPR, I have Ray Pride, which is a C3, and I think we have the Girls Club.
01:05:08.640And I think it's just having these conversations where people who are straight and people who are gay, people who are trans, they can all just sit down and just talk it through, right?
01:05:17.320As you watch that, you start to understand and get educated on a lot of different things.
01:05:22.200And I think that's the most important is being able to have these conversations with different people who have different opinions and different perspectives on life coming together.
01:05:33.360And we're able to have this debate and these understandings.
01:05:37.260And even if the first two or three debates don't go right, the fifth one might, you know, the sixth or seventh one might, as long as we give each other time, because everybody's here now.
01:06:24.860Yeah, and I wanted to double on his point as well, because Ray doesn't even understand sometimes as, you know, he's the CEO of Tronix and Ray's just going to be Ray, but he doesn't understand the power and impact in a positive way he has on us because we're able to be very hands on with this network and show.
01:06:43.100And we're able to come around and have access to someone like Ray that's a producer that most people in cast just do it and get turfed or, you know, it's like shows over, see you later.
01:06:51.920We've been able, after the show has wrapped, to be able to have intense, personal, private, whatever conversations with Ray and really talk about real things.
01:07:03.040Yeah, I mean, my experiences, I mean, I can't believe it.
01:07:22.440Sometimes people, not saying Ray, but might say something offensive.
01:07:25.800So it's not them just sitting in the room telling us trans girls what we want to hear.
01:07:29.920You know, and I had a lot of things that I had things that had happened to me that shocked me and that y'all helped guide me through that we can elaborate on later.
01:07:39.760I don't want to go too viral, but, you know, but, you know, it is, it is always good to be able to talk and disagree, agree.
01:07:50.880And it's not intensely uncomfortable, but it's fun and I think there's just a level of respect and you having us on today just speaks volumes on like, you know, you and what you represent and how you've given us the opportunity to talk and debate and get an understanding.
01:08:12.960Because a lot of people, you know, listen to you, a lot of people are supportive of the trans community, the gay community and together bridging the gap, at least just for mutual understanding and respect from all sides is really strong.
01:08:29.200Yeah, and I always think being respectful is super important and I'm grateful that you guys respect that, you know, my opinions haven't changed on the issue and one of the biggest reasons I wanted to communicate to you from the conservative community and why we feel like we have to be so strong on...
01:08:47.200And that the conservative community, meaning the straight community or just the conservative community?
01:08:51.060And it's politically conservative and the reason why this matters so much, especially deeply for those of us who have kids and see what's happening in the school system, is because at the moment that you say that there is no objective reality, everything becomes possible.
01:09:03.960And some people hear that and they're like, yay, Disney World, everything becomes possible.
01:09:07.200But the reality is, is that if you say there's no such thing as a male and there's no such thing as a female and anybody can decide what they are when they want, they can say I'm a different race, I'm transracial, you know, I'm transsexual, I'm transgender.
01:09:21.060Then eventually and very quickly we will wind up at people saying that, and there have been examples of this, people saying that they're actually a different age.
01:09:30.360So you have a 60-year-old man, but it's not funny because this is real, but this is real.
01:09:35.260You have a 60-year-old man who is saying that he self-identifies as a 13-year-old and these people go and they commit acts of pedophilia.
01:09:58.780That people like that, because I've heard that in different statements and once again, it's like crazy that as a trans person under the umbrella, I'm just lumped with these people.
01:11:14.100I don't think it's a problem because at varying points in people's lives, your mental can get out of order.
01:11:19.300The issue when you don't acknowledge that it is a mental disorder and you instead just insist that, like, this is a normal thing and people are born this way, means it becomes impossible to attack that person.
01:11:30.480And ideologically speaking, if you start making laws and saying this is real, then that guy who says, I'm 63 years old and I believe that I am 12 on the inside.
01:14:49.720That's, I will understand where we all are mentally, right?
01:14:54.320Because sometimes you'll have it this phase and you'll get out of it this phase, right?
01:14:58.380Like you said, you had a phase you went through and now you're out of it, right?
01:15:02.420How many people in the world are statistically suffering from a mental disorder?
01:15:10.640Because I think that's how we'll respect the word mental disorder as opposed to your perspective in life.
01:15:20.020It just means that your mental is out of whack.
01:15:24.220But how many people in this world are going through that?
01:15:26.500I mean, we probably won't be able to figure it out now, but that's a very good question because that will give us a good scope on people's perception of what a mental disorder is.
01:15:38.380I genuinely don't say that to be triggering.
01:15:47.860I've been mentally disordered from the beginning, right?
01:15:49.460I think it triggers you because you've gotten it your whole life.
01:15:56.280It's not a trigger, but my point is that I have to represent not only myself, but the community to put out the information out there that's factual.
01:18:48.780So if she just came out and said, I'm transracial and then live as a black person, then you would say we're the same.
01:18:52.920No, because for me, I own that I'm not a biological woman and that I'm a trans woman.
01:18:58.560So that's why I feel like so many people take harm from it respectfully because there hasn't been chats like this before where people like me have spoken out and said that.
01:19:07.160And that's going to gag people because people are like, oh, I didn't know that.
01:19:12.380I thought you go around saying you're biological.
01:19:14.580And that's the point that I'm trying to make.
01:20:13.600And honestly, I'm so glad I came because I feel like when the cameras are off and when you're just vibing and having a chat, I know just even by the look in your eyes, I know like you can kind of get it and I get it.
01:20:23.800But the thing is, we can also agree to disagree.
01:20:27.020And there's things that we're just not going to meet eye and eye.
01:20:29.580But it's, this is why when you have a debate and when you have a conversation, you have to be specific.
01:20:35.400You might not be eye to eye today, but tomorrow's a new day.
01:20:41.760And I think you're, and I think you're very kind, Danielle.
01:20:43.600Seriously, like, and brave to come on here and have this conversation where most just talk trash on the internet and haven't thought about, no, don't be nice.
01:20:49.260I was like, I said a prayer last night or a few.
01:21:20.780But it's a really powerful show, and it's one of our shows that we really took time to make sure everybody's story is told correctly.
01:21:30.500You know, our goal on this new network is not to benefit off the demise of the drama, right?
01:21:35.620It's really to uplift the talent, uplift the creators, and inside of this dramatic world we live in, you know, you kind of just follow, just follow the story.
01:21:45.000And it's a really, I mean, the ladies on this show are just, like, I'm so happy that we're having this debate, us.
01:21:53.420Because, you know, we all listen to each other, and we all try to understand what each other's saying, whether we agreed or disagree.
01:22:01.240Some of the other talent might have went all the way into another world.
01:22:05.560But that's because they didn't see this.
01:22:08.560Now watching this, we'll just give people an insight on how to debate and really just try to, like, get people to understand different perspectives.