Candace Owens - Red Sparrow： When Erika Met Charlie…

00:00:00.000 All right, you guys. Happy Wednesday to everyone except Andrew Colvette. Yeah, because yesterday he went on to Dave Rubin's show and he said that Erica was not seeking the spotlight. Take a listen to this.

00:00:15.980 Erica has always been tremendous and she never sought the limelight. She was always very happy to sort of be doing her own thing and just be supportive of Charlie.

00:00:24.240 oh i gasped when i heard that what wild that is wild i mean at this stage i could probably write

00:00:33.760 a biography on erica's life and my conclusion thereafter would be that i have never seen

00:00:38.700 someone throughout their life demonstrate such a consistent interest and make such a concerted

00:00:44.960 effort to become famous i say that truly and you know what we just now have to get back into their

00:00:51.780 story, Charlie and Erica story, you should know more about how they met. Plus, later on, on that

00:00:58.700 same topic, Matt Walsh tweeted a thing. He's a staunch defender of Erica, which made the thing

00:01:03.880 that he tweeted last night ironic, to say the least. Welcome back to Pride of Charlie.

00:01:10.360 We have nothing to hide.

00:01:11.560 okay so first thing i want to say at the top here is that this erica kirk story would not

00:01:26.000 be complete if it did not also feature a few questions questionable catholics right i'm sorry

00:01:32.160 catholics but it does we cannot deny the facts here and it tracks i mean we've been going through

00:01:37.000 this journey. We've got filthy evangelical pastors. We've got shady Mormons. We've got terrible Jews. 1.00

00:01:43.280 This is like a game of Pokemon at this point. We have to catch them all. Anyway, we had explained 0.99

00:01:47.680 to you guys on a previous episode that wherever Erika and Lori go, accusations of financial fraud

00:01:54.020 tend to follow, right? Throwing it back to the Erpenbeck brothers, Uncle Rick, Uncle Rick Erpenbeck,

00:02:00.640 That brand new glossy Tesseract school, ultimately a charter scam in which money inexplicably vanished, just evaporated into thin air.

00:02:12.800 The school went bankrupt and that's where Erica went for elementary school.

00:02:17.740 So it's like literally Ohio and then she goes to Arizona and it's got these financial things kind of just surrounding them.

00:02:24.580 And then we happened upon some interesting information.

00:02:28.540 We learned that Tesseract afterward became Notre Dame Prep.

00:02:34.480 And I was like, well, how?

00:02:36.640 Well, it turns out, and I was asking,

00:02:39.840 how did the Catholics get involved with that?

00:02:41.440 Tesseract school was definitely a very Jewish school in general.

00:02:45.500 Well, it makes sense because I guess in this story,

00:02:49.080 because Erica can be at various times Catholic, evangelical, or Jewish.

00:02:53.240 It just depends on the audience that she's trying to get a check from.

00:02:56.020 But we have seen there is a current to Catholicism that is floating in this story. Obviously, as I told you, the church that Charlie was attending, the priest that she takes with her everywhere, despite denying that she's Catholic or whatever, she took him with her to Utah when Charlie died.

00:03:15.020 Well, the story goes regarding Tesseract that after they filed for bankruptcy in 2001, they put their old campus up for sale and it was purchased by the Diocese of Phoenix when they then turned it into Notre Dame Prep, where Erica then enrolls for high school.

00:03:32.500 Now, this decision and the process was overseen by Bishop Thomas J. O'Brien.

00:03:39.240 I was like, oh, this is interesting.

00:03:40.140 I want to learn more about this.

00:03:41.020 And I should note that he was very significant in building up the Catholic community in Phoenix.

00:03:48.920 I mean, under his leadership, which began in 1982, 15 additional parishes were founded, including the one that Erica is very close to today.

00:03:58.780 But, you know, not close enough to publicly acknowledge in front of the evangelical donors.

00:04:04.020 You know, we got to Charlie was evangelical.

00:04:06.640 Doesn't matter if he was going to mass every day.

00:04:08.300 go after Candace for telling the truth because donors, okay? Weird. Anyway, he was the bishop

00:04:14.300 until 2003 when he received the distinct honor of becoming the very first Catholic bishop

00:04:23.180 in America to ever be charged with a felony. I was just like, how could this be possible? I'm

00:04:29.200 just doing a little bit of research. How is everybody just going to be involved in scandals?

00:04:32.140 You're wondering what he did. He killed somebody accidentally, he says. He was arrested for

00:04:38.280 a hit and run in 2003 that killed Jim Lee Reed. But by hit and run, I mean that he did not bother

00:04:44.300 stopping or calling the police. He went home, had some dinner, had a sleep, went to his sister's

00:04:49.980 house the following day. The police were able to capture him because of the very obvious damage

00:04:55.240 that was done to his car, which included a cracked windshield. And when he was discovered, he said

00:05:00.720 that, well, I didn't report the accident because I thought I hit a cat or a dog. For clarity,

00:05:08.360 the person that he hit was 240 pounds and over six feet. So big cat or a big dog. Remarkably,

00:05:16.700 Thomas O'Brien only got four years of probation for this. The Vatican, of course, then accepted

00:05:20.840 his resignation. He staffs, though, the school that Erica then attends. And that, by the way,

00:05:27.480 is not going to spell the end of his legal trouble because then in 2002, this is Maricopa

00:05:31.520 County, you guys. I just I'm going to just assume everything that happens in Maricopa County is

00:05:35.640 problematic at this point. But in 2002, prosecutors initiated a grand jury investigation into charges

00:05:41.500 of sexual abuse by Catholic priests, priests in potential that were staffed by O'Brien. He became

00:05:48.020 a target of the investigation for allegedly covering up the allegations of the priests

00:05:52.780 who he had staffed. It's sounding a bit reminiscent of when we talked about Calvary Chapel and how

00:05:58.380 they were kind of intentionally going around and finding these pastors and rehabilitating them and

00:06:02.960 moving them around who had connections to sex abuse, right? Well, he doesn't want to go to

00:06:09.940 prison again. He didn't go the first time, but like he's worried. And in exchange for immunity,

00:06:13.760 he just comes clean. He admits that several times during his 22-year tenure, he had placed

00:06:19.800 children in harm's way by transferring priests who had been accused of abuse to his parishes

00:06:25.620 and that he did not inform the parishioners of doing that or his new superiors. So again,

00:06:34.320 I will ask the question, what goes on in Maricopa County? It's obviously not anything good. Why does

00:06:41.020 it seem to me that there happens to be so much corruption? Like it's just like an established

00:06:46.780 colony of corruption. It is, I believe, factually the most corrupt county I'm talking about in

00:06:51.800 politics in America. Who is driving that corruption? We get closer throughout this

00:06:57.480 series. Anyway, I wanted to just pop that in and tell you that because it's just remarkable

00:07:00.980 that the most basic fact checks, you're in Arizona, you land upon these things

00:07:05.740 nonstop. Now we're going to jump right back into our Erica timeline because,

00:07:11.800 boy, do I have something to share with you regarding 2018. Let's jump in where we left

00:07:17.300 off. So in 2015, Erica is 27 years old, okay? It is entirely unclear what she is doing for work.

00:07:25.120 It's important to stress she's 27 years old. This is not 18, 19, just got out of the house,

00:07:29.480 don't know what I'm doing. I'm just wondering how is she affording to live, okay? She's still 0.98

00:07:34.360 dating J.T. Massey during this time. We also have that on July 11th, Lori Fransfey and Tyler Boyer

00:07:44.480 and Erica are going to be behind Donald Trump for his presidential campaign rally. Now, you will

00:07:52.460 recall this is when the story gets pretty fuzzy. Erica thinks that she met Tyler at that rally,

00:07:57.900 but Tyler tells the story that she called him up before that rally and offered to help. So the

00:08:03.380 details get murky. She can't remember how she met him, kind of thinking it was years earlier when

00:08:09.480 her mother was doing deals with the Farnsworth family for EMPs and getting money again from 0.96

00:08:18.640 the government for fear-mongering. There's going to be these EMP attacks. Anyway, in mid-August of

00:08:23.840 that year, Erica goes to Canada. She travels to Montreal through to Estrel, Quebec, again,

00:08:31.540 not knowing how she is affording this lifestyle, she is traveling with Nicole Rothstein. We have

00:08:39.880 that in November. Her mother establishes G-Tech Industries LLC. I know you're going to say,

00:08:46.140 what does it do? You know, it's Lori. So it's like this, she's doing this whole EMP thing,

00:08:51.660 and she's getting money, and she's saying this is the threat, and she's working with people that

00:08:55.800 she knows, and she's going to get your tax dollars for doing that. And so that's what she's doing

00:09:00.600 with G-Tech. We have then thereafter that Erica Soft launches another charity that's called

00:09:09.200 For the Cause in Phoenix. And yes, the cause is always going to be children.

00:09:15.180 It has something to do with children at a hospital, but it never looks like it never

00:09:21.680 really gets out of the gate. I mean, that's today. It says coming fall of 2015. It looks like it

00:09:27.780 never did arrive, but she was associated with that project. That is all that we can find in

00:09:34.400 terms of what Erica was doing for work in that year. We jump into 2016, and now you should know

00:09:42.080 that Erica is 28. She's going to be 28 years old, and we still have no idea what she is doing for

00:09:48.840 work. And now she's living in New York City, one of the most expensive cities in the world.

00:09:53.820 So the question you should ask yourself is, how is she making money to afford this lifestyle? 0.65

00:09:57.780 And I'm going to remind you that these are the years that the people at Next Model Management

00:10:04.100 remember that she was at Next Model Management and she was in charge or the point person

00:10:11.220 for the quote unquote model apartments where they put the models that were coming from

00:10:17.060 Eastern Europe and that she was attached in particular to a building on the Upper East

00:10:23.800 side. So that would track if she was getting paid that way. Otherwise, I can't figure out what she's 0.99

00:10:29.540 doing. On May 9th, she shares that she's location scouting in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, for what it

00:10:36.940 is unclear. You know, in the past, she's made statements that she was a casting director.

00:10:43.060 Casting directors are not the same as location scouts. So this is kind of the Jane of all trades

00:10:50.280 thing that she is consistently selling. Later on in the future, she's going to claim that this is

00:10:55.380 the year that she launched Bible in 365 on a future post. She says, in 2016, I started Bible

00:11:02.080 in 365 in my New York City apartment. That is objectively untrue according to corporate filings,

00:11:08.880 okay? That just did not happen, but she alleges that in a future post.

00:11:13.700 in, this is also a year that her mother is just going to receive an honorary degree conferred

00:11:21.200 upon her at a university I've never heard of, AATC University Graduation Program. That is Lori,

00:11:28.020 not Erica. To be clear, the picture is a little blurry, but they just get things. They just get

00:11:33.860 things handed out. And it's AATC, to be clear, stands for Advancing Achievers Technology and

00:11:40.640 Cybersecurity University. In August, Lori will then go to Utah and attend an expo, Utah of all

00:11:48.040 places, for G-Tech industry. So she's kind of looking for people to buy into what looks to me

00:11:52.760 to be a scam, okay? Protect yourself from an EMP attack. It's this constant fear-mongering that

00:11:59.560 she's going to do. I've said my feelings about Lori Fransfay, so I will leave that alone,

00:12:05.040 but that's what she is doing. And in August, we find Erica somewhere in the Mediterranean. I could

00:12:12.180 not figure out where she was. My guess would be Croatia or Italy based on the water that certainly

00:12:16.980 is the Mediterranean Sea. Again, unclear how she's affording this lifestyle to be able to travel the 0.93

00:12:24.200 world and do these sorts of things while living in New York City and not having a job that is

00:12:29.300 apparent to us. And Lori then releases an intent to sell GTech Industries to Saxon Capital Group.

00:12:38.700 A little fun fact here, Saxon Capital Group is actually Lori. Lori is an 86% owner of Saxon

00:12:44.760 Capital Group. They released this onto PR Newswire. And then it turns out that years later,

00:12:50.900 Saxon Capital Group, with Lori as a minor partner, they're going to file for an IPO. And they're

00:12:56.400 like, yeah, no, we actually never did that deal. So just a little bit more of like, you know,

00:13:01.260 Lori trickery, like, oh, I'm selling my cup, and then she doesn't actually sell it to them, 0.80

00:13:04.840 according to them. Some say the bubbles in an Aero truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt

00:13:09.880 in your mouth. Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light. Rich, creamy,

00:13:15.740 chocolatey Aero truffle. Feel the Aero bubbles melt. It's mind bubbling. In 2017, Erica is going

00:13:23.720 to get busy, but once again, we're not going to really understand what she's actually doing,

00:13:28.960 okay? She's doing everything and nothing at the same time, always reminding you,

00:13:32.420 this is a 29-year-old woman. She's about to be 30. You can't just like not do something in life

00:13:38.480 unless you're unspeakably wealthy. I guess that could be the lifestyle, but that's not

00:13:43.840 the circumstance for Erica Kirk. On January 12th, she establishes the Elm Group LLC, okay?

00:13:51.860 no idea what this company does. Nothing makes sense in terms of what this company does. I could

00:13:59.360 not figure out what this company does. If you know, please let me know. Maybe you've worked

00:14:03.560 with the Elm Group. I'm going to go with Erica's kind of doing what her mom does and just creating

00:14:07.620 a lot of LLCs. There's no description that is offered on those documents. On February 1st,

00:14:12.320 as you guys may have seen, she then appears in this documentary that's called Black Start by

00:14:17.640 Patria Patrick. The documentary also features the CIA director, James Woolsey. Now, I want to say

00:14:24.880 this documentary is about EMP attacks, right, how the government needs to prepare for them. So it's

00:14:29.760 a bit more of her mother's propaganda, so to speak. And she is going to present her mother's

00:14:35.420 business model. I'll let you take a listen to a quick clip of this.

00:14:40.360 We have five major threats that make our grid extremely vulnerable that we've presented to

00:14:45.620 congressional officials. One being cyber, two being hackers, three being physical threats,

00:14:52.300 fourth one is solar EMP, and the fifth one is man-made EMP. So the concern that we have is that

00:14:58.580 we put out this critical information, and when we go over this risk analysis, they hear what

00:15:03.760 we're saying, but they don't want to take action. When she says we, I don't know who she's speaking

00:15:10.280 about. I don't know why she has the background to be featured in this documentary. You know,

00:15:14.240 there were a lot of people online that were kind of trying to minimize this and be like,

00:15:18.120 oh, well, it's not, the CIA is not involved in this. It's just the director is featured

00:15:22.560 in the documentary. You can't just like ring up the CIA and ask them to be in your documentary.

00:15:27.780 I want to know that's not a thing. So think through the common sense there.

00:15:30.460 If I want to do a documentary on EMPs and I'm just a random girl that is like in pageant world,

00:15:37.640 that's pretty much all she's accomplished at this point in her life, right? How am I getting

00:15:41.980 the CIA involved in that. Like, there's obviously a connection there, and it just annoys me when

00:15:46.980 people are constantly trying to offend us. Like, we're like, we're just so stupid that, no, 0.99

00:15:52.920 nothing to see here ever. That's just, the CIA director just normally does that. He's got to 1.00

00:15:57.280 hit him up, call a 1-800 number, and he'll be featured in your random documentary too.

00:16:02.380 And again, what qualifies her for that, nobody knows. On July 24th, her mother then opens that

00:16:07.960 Mysterious LLC, Desert Spirit Tech LLC, that is the one that should not especially be ignored.

00:16:15.740 Opening up tech in the middle of the, and I hope I'm saying this right, the Tohono Odom 1.00

00:16:21.620 Reservation, Indian Reservation, nothing good happens on Indian reservations that Americans 1.00

00:16:26.980 get involved in, okay? It's basically, you can do whatever you want. No rules apply. People are

00:16:32.960 trafficked. There's drug trafficking. In fact, when she gets involved, I think they had just,

00:16:37.460 shut down, it passes to Mexico. They had the San Miguel Gate on the Tohono Reservation,

00:16:44.100 which passed through to Mexico. And there's nothing the feds can do. Like, what is Lori doing

00:16:50.920 with a Native American reservation? Can anybody tell me what tech she's doing,

00:16:55.380 that she's involving herself there? Is she involved with casinos? Is desert spirit tech

00:16:59.240 casino stuff? I don't know. The fact that she has all of these LLCs and we don't know what she is, 0.99

00:17:04.920 I would like to continue to stress is exceedingly problematic, especially given her relationships

00:17:10.580 with the government. Okay. I don't like this area. I don't like what goes on in Arizona down by the

00:17:16.620 border and the people that Lori Fransfey involves herself with. This year, Erica is dating Cabot

00:17:24.180 Phillips, by the way. I told you she has a boyfriend every single year. Cabot Phillips

00:17:27.900 is her boyfriend. At this time, they're painting together. Cute. Very cute. Yeah.

00:17:34.920 And per her LinkedIn, she begins attending Liberty University for her master's degree. So you can see that there. Again, she's going to say she attends for two years. Obviously, it's online, her attendance.

00:17:48.920 and she is randomly pictured

00:17:52.800 at a celebrity dentist this year as well,

00:17:57.140 Dr. V.

00:17:58.400 And Dr. V says she's gorgeous 1.00

00:18:01.060 and that she's going to be in the Ocean's 8 movie.

00:18:07.520 That she got cast in there.

00:18:09.220 Erica was not in the Ocean's 8 movie

00:18:11.100 as far as I could see.

00:18:12.940 She was not in the credits,

00:18:14.840 but that is what this post says

00:18:16.740 and that is that.

00:18:18.320 just sharing that with you. Again, we reflect on that year and we have no idea what the heck

00:18:26.620 Erica Kirk does for a living. Okay. What is she doing for a living? Who's paying her? How is she 1.00

00:18:30.880 getting paid? What is she doing? The only clue that we have is that she's involved with next

00:18:36.300 model management, managing, perhaps managing apartments for Eastern European models. And I'm

00:18:44.600 not entirely sure what qualifies her to do that even. Again, we went out and did not get an answer

00:18:49.860 for that. 2018, we have got to talk about. I actually had to calm down after learning this

00:18:58.180 because it's... Okay, I'm going to calm down again. 2018 begins with Erica ringing the new year

00:19:07.100 with Cabot Phillips, her boyfriend, and Lori are going to ring in the new year together. So they

00:19:12.900 art. It's just stunning when you just consider her saying she never dated while she was in New

00:19:16.660 York. It's like you mean somebody I think made actually the joke like she never dated, you know,

00:19:23.300 somebody who wasn't famous or somebody who didn't have a platform like she wasn't dating no bodies. 0.57

00:19:27.680 You know what I mean? Which I thought was hilarious. Anyway, I wanted to jump this, put this into the

00:19:33.560 timeline that it's on April 7th that Charlie predicts his own death and says that he knows

00:19:40.660 that it is going to be associated with Turning Point USA.

00:19:44.040 I just find that point to be very interesting.

00:19:47.860 And he says, if I tell you the true prophecy,

00:19:51.840 I know in my gut it's really sad.

00:19:53.640 I hope it's wrong.

00:19:55.500 He goes on to say, I'm not sure I'm going,

00:19:58.900 I will live to see the end of this revolution.

00:20:01.220 I believe you were the piece that God meant for me to meet

00:20:04.160 that will finish the fight. 0.68

00:20:05.940 Since the beginning of TPUSA,

00:20:07.380 I knew in my gut that I might get wiped out at any time.

00:20:10.660 I cannot explain it, but I dream about it all the time, like all the time.

00:20:14.020 Anyway, that's a depressing convo for another time.

00:20:17.400 And then he says, I'm not really afraid of it, but I'm just telling you what I know to be true.

00:20:23.340 There's something sobering to me when I look at that on the timeline and realize that he messages that to me on April 7th, 2018.

00:20:30.040 And then so much happens.

00:20:31.240 I told you, I said to you that there was something about Kanye's tweet that sort of ripped a hole in reality.

00:20:36.980 And I felt like agents were suddenly sent to us.

00:20:39.460 that was me just explaining to you how i felt things changed a lot of

00:20:42.820 fake people started surrounding us and it felt like they were trying to

00:20:45.520 artificially pull us apart it is then just a couple of weeks later

00:20:49.240 after predicting his death that kanye tweets i love the way

00:20:51.920 candace owens thinks um which like i said you had to be there 0.52

00:20:57.700 because we were just kind of rapping and i kept telling him that he was gonna

00:21:00.940 kanye was gonna come over i'm telling you i think he's conservative and

00:21:04.900 then uh we learn from erica that her and her mother go to israel on pilgrimage

00:21:13.960 in jerusalem and they see charlie at the airport like that was just a natural thing and her mother

00:21:20.740 says well you should go up to him and you should say something and then erica ultimately decides

00:21:25.760 not to and you know i always thought that story was interesting because i was with charlie

00:21:29.040 at the airport and i i don't remember her mentioning that she saw charlie just what by

00:21:36.820 himself at the airport anyway um yeah that timeline is interesting to me on august 10th erica is then

00:21:44.960 oh just saw him in may but then she's going to see him again at turning point usa's office opening

00:21:49.900 she gets invited by tyler she doesn't know how she knows but uh he introduces her very quickly

00:21:56.660 to Charlie. I am there. I am there for the grand opening. I think I remember quickly meeting her

00:22:02.960 at some point. And we don't really know why she's there, because remember, she's living in New York.

00:22:10.360 I guess her family's there. Go back home. But don't you have a job? What is your job? What do

00:22:14.980 you do for a living? And this is around the same time that Erica is communicating that she's doing

00:22:21.860 deals, real estate deals with her family to various people. Then come September, where once again,

00:22:30.260 it is arranged by Tyler Boyer for Erica to meet Charlie, this time one-on-one for a job.

00:22:36.780 And in retrospect, this really bothers me because that's not how job interviews happened at Turning

00:22:42.740 Point USA. You were not taken to meet the CEO of the company at a restaurant in New York. That's

00:22:49.500 just not how job interviews work at all, actually. Like, why would you do that? Like, okay. And they

00:22:56.700 sit down and Erica says everything perfect and amazing and exactly the things that Charlie wants

00:23:03.320 to hear. And there begins their relationship, you could say, right in September when they meet at

00:23:10.620 that restaurant. Then comes October 24th and Erica somehow becomes a licensed real estate agent in 1.00

00:23:18.580 New York and is immediately employed by Corcoran Real Estate Group.

00:23:22.780 And we went back and people have reached out to us.

00:23:25.520 Erica, it looks like, did a total of three possible rentals under somebody else. 0.68

00:23:32.920 Like she wasn't even the main realtor.

00:23:37.000 I don't understand that.

00:23:39.040 I don't understand how she's working for Corcoran Real Estate and doing real estate 1.00

00:23:43.300 deals.

00:23:43.920 And she does this on October 24th.

00:23:46.340 I want to point to you October 30th.

00:23:48.580 I told you that suddenly people were trying to pull me and Kanye and Charlie apart. You just

00:23:54.320 felt it, okay? And out of nowhere, Kanye, who did actually help me design the Blexit logo

00:24:01.060 in Chicago, he was getting an insane amount of pressure and told that he could not get involved

00:24:08.940 in politics. He was putting on the MAGA hat. Things were going crazy. I think Kim was threatening

00:24:13.120 divorce at some point, if I recall correctly. And Kanye cracks and he tweets a series of tweets.

00:24:19.460 He writes, I introduced Candace to the person who made the logo and they didn't want their name on

00:24:23.940 it, so she used mine. I never wanted any association with Blex and I have nothing to do with it. 1.00

00:24:29.300 He then follows it up by saying, my eyes are now wide open and now realize that I have been used

00:24:33.760 to spread messages that I don't believe in. I am distancing myself from politics and completely

00:24:37.740 focusing on being creative. And let me tell you, this was one of the hardest things for me to go

00:24:43.560 through. I mean, I love, love yay of him now, but like, it was just a, it was untrue and it allowed

00:24:50.000 people to then, I mean, every single article, Candace lied, you know, and I actually have a

00:24:55.880 photo of me and Kanye, uh, in the Trump hotel in Chicago. And I didn't know what was happening.

00:25:01.540 And I, you know, at the time called a friend and they were like, you don't know what he's going

00:25:04.800 through and what sort of pressure he's going through. And Charlie and me were just devastated.

00:25:09.440 We were devastated by this because it made us look like we were liars, okay? And we were in a

00:25:15.700 position where people wanted to see us fall, okay? Why am I telling you this? I get reached out. I

00:25:21.960 mean, somebody reached out to me. I get reached out to by a young woman in New York. And she says

00:25:28.620 to me that at this time, she said, oh, you know, Erika knew Kanye. And I said, Erika didn't know

00:25:36.280 Kanye. What are you talking about? Erika never knew Kanye. She said, no, Erika knew Kanye.

00:25:41.620 And I said, nope, she wasn't even in the picture in April when Charlie and I were doing all the

00:25:45.720 Kanye stuff. She's never been with him. There's no pictures. What are you referring to? And I

00:25:49.720 just assumed that this was like maybe something that Erika said, you know, lies all the time.

00:25:54.320 Maybe she was just like, oh, now I date this guy now, whatever. And then she says, no, I have

00:25:58.380 like actual proof that when all that stuff was going down with you and Kanye and Charlie that

00:26:05.960 Erica was back dialing and telling people that she knew the people that were around Kanye

00:26:15.280 that she had family that was around Kanye and pushed for that tweet to go out

00:26:22.300 Okay. So I said, can you get me some proof of that? And this young woman in New York got me

00:26:33.900 the proof of that. Proof that, at the very least, Erica was making that claim.

00:26:39.300 what i can tell you is that neither me nor charlie nor kanye knew that erica knew someone

00:26:52.720 on kanye's team that and now who knows if it's her real family or her nicole rothstein family

00:26:59.480 or she just calls everybody family but you're telling me she's playing like she's some cute

00:27:05.140 new girlfriend watching us go through this entire thing being absolutely heartbroken and yet she's 0.99

00:27:11.780 like on the side telling people that she knows like why that went out she knows why why kanye

00:27:19.620 like his hand was forced let me tell you guys right now let me tell you something right now

00:27:24.180 i will find out who in kanye's circle knew erica when that tweet went out

00:27:28.520 I will find out. I will call Ye and I will find out. I will figure out 0.92

00:27:33.620 who, how duplicitous this woman is that she is playing the role of, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry 1.00

00:27:43.580 that this is happening to you while telling people that she's playing. She knows the other

00:27:49.140 side of it. People that are pressuring Ye to do this. Okay. It took me a lot to process that.

00:27:55.940 Like I said, I would not put this out here unless I was 100% certain of it.

00:28:03.380 I am at 100% certainty that that is what Erica told this young woman had receipts.

00:28:14.860 So she, in my book, Erica, is a whole fraud, just a whole fraud. 0.97

00:28:19.760 And then to jump back into this timeline, look at this.

00:28:22.400 We don't know what she's doing.

00:28:23.420 suddenly she gets her real estate license. And I'm just going to say that it's long been understood

00:28:28.980 that real estate is a really easy way, a really easy means to move money. Okay. So she sits down

00:28:36.900 with Charlie. Suddenly she gets her real estate license. Kanye's tweeting, peace out, Blexit.

00:28:45.280 Erica then filmed Summer House. But look at December 31st, though. December 31st, the end

00:28:51.360 of the year, Feed Me Incorporated is formed. Feed Me Incorporated will eventually become

00:28:59.540 Superfeed Technologies. Superfeed Technologies is the company that both Erica's mother and Tyler

00:29:06.980 Boyer are on the board of. Okay. So that's interesting that that company gets formed

00:29:14.760 But as Erica starts dating Charlie, that company is formed.

00:29:19.940 And these people know each other.

00:29:22.260 These people all know each other.

00:29:24.320 It's her one blind spot.

00:29:27.020 That's her one category that she can't remember is how she knows Tyler Boyer,

00:29:30.400 even though he is in business with her mother and has her behind Trump in 2015.

00:29:37.860 It is my personal opinion that a deal was done.

00:29:41.860 when i look at the evidence when i look at everything i'm looking at when i see

00:29:46.040 how duplicitous she was and i know that charlie did not know these things because i was there

00:29:51.120 i was the closest person to charlie while he was dating while he was beginning to date erica

00:29:57.440 okay no one spent more time with him or spoke to him more he did not know these things about

00:30:02.760 erica kirk or erica france bay was her name at the time we had no idea that she was telling people

00:30:08.080 that she knew the people that were in Kanye's orbit when he sent that tweet out.

00:30:16.320 Something is not right. We all know something is not right. And I am just aghast at the people

00:30:23.140 who are going to pretend, continue to pretend like all of this is perfectly normal. Anyway,

00:30:29.460 we should take a brief pause before we continue. We'll be right back.

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00:32:35.860 Okay, so I absolutely have to comment on Matt Walsh

00:32:40.000 for a tweet that he put out yesterday.

00:32:42.760 I just, cause I was like, hmm, question mark here.

00:32:45.860 So he has very much been on the side of how dare you,

00:32:49.260 how dare you attack a grieving widow,

00:32:51.200 kind of making claims that various data points

00:32:54.060 being introduced, like, oh, Erica lied pathologically.

00:32:56.840 there may have been this billion dollar motive to have Charlie Kirk killed that Erica lied about 0.98

00:33:02.580 the fact that her husband texted multiple people the night before he said he feared he was going

00:33:06.920 to be killed. His overriding point is that these various points are not evidence, right? How a

00:33:14.380 widow is behaving, whether she's grieving correctly, these things cannot be introduced in

00:33:19.300 court. And yet yesterday he tweeted this regarding a murder that took place in Utah. I was just

00:33:26.300 very interested. He wrote, and this is regarding Corey Richens, a New York Post article that said,

00:33:32.780 grief author Corey Richens found guilty of fatally poisoning her husband for his $4 million

00:33:38.400 estate. Matt Walsh comments and writes, there is no good moral reason why she should not simply be

00:33:43.820 taken outside the morning after her conviction and hanged. This woman has lost her right to exist. 1.00

00:33:49.640 okay though that's strong words so i was just stunned by it because i have to assume he did

00:33:57.400 exactly zero due diligence on this case a case that i actually followed because it was completely

00:34:02.560 nutty now i'm i'm assuming he was not aware that after cory richens murdered her husband

00:34:09.340 fentanyl overdose uh she at first played the role of a grieving widow for an entire year

00:34:16.460 She was not arrested, spected in her husband's death initially at all because, you know, she's crying. She called 911. In fact, she was so bold in her grieving widow stage that she wrote a book, a children's book regarding grieving.

00:34:33.180 And she did a little local book tour where she actually repeats some of the things that we've

00:34:38.520 heard Erica say, like, you know, the nights are the hardest. Take a listen to this ABC clip of

00:34:43.680 Corey Richens, who had not yet been arrested a year later, promoting her book. Joining us now

00:34:51.900 is author of Are You With Me? Corey Richens to share her three C's to helping kids cope with

00:34:58.180 grief. And Corey, I want to start with your story. What happened in your personal life?

00:35:03.780 So my husband passed away unexpectedly last year. So it's March 4th was a one-year anniversary for

00:35:10.680 us. And he was 39. It completely took us all by shock. And we have three little boys, 10, 9,

00:35:19.460 and six and um you know we kind of my kids and I kind of wrote this book on the different

00:35:26.340 emotions and grieving processes that we've experienced last year and you know hoping

00:35:33.300 that it can kind of help other kids you know um deal with this and kind of you know find happiness

00:35:40.800 some some way or another so you actually wrote this book with your children I did and it's only

00:35:47.080 been a year how did you process and say you go from processing death to I need to write a book

00:35:54.080 and help others? You know I just watched the struggle that my kids were going through and I

00:35:59.560 actually you know I went on Amazon and Barnes and Noble and trying to find something that we could

00:36:04.980 use to cope at nights. Nights are the hardest it seems like for everybody when you know dealing

00:36:08.920 with anything but I just wanted some story to read to my kids at night and I just could not find

00:36:15.320 anything. I couldn't find anything that really, you know, suited them or help them find comfort

00:36:19.740 and peace. And so, you know, I was like, let's just write one. And so, you know, I took things

00:36:25.560 that my kids have said to me this last year and we kind of articulated it and put it into

00:36:30.220 a story and, you know, just have hopes that it will help other kids.

00:36:37.540 I mean, I'll tell you guys in short, this woman was not actually a grieving widow. She wasn't

00:36:43.480 a grieving widow, Matt. Actually, one could argue that she may have even been a psychopath 0.94

00:36:47.140 for doing this, being able to do this after she killed her husband. March 4th, 2002 is when her

00:36:53.660 husband, Eric Richens, was murdered. And it took them until May of 2023 to bring charges against

00:37:00.280 her. So more than a year to build a case. And do you know how they built that case?

00:37:05.740 People who actually cared about Eric and offered various details and to the point that

00:37:13.480 Well, none of these points in various details about how Erica is grieving would ever survive

00:37:18.480 in the court of law. Ironically, in this case against Corey Richens, for which she was ultimately 0.63

00:37:23.440 found guilty, the prosecutors played the 911 call and said explicitly that it didn't sound

00:37:29.260 like a grieving widow. Okay, take a listen. We're going to listen to the first part,

00:37:34.940 actually, most of the 911 call again. I ask that as you listen to it,

00:37:41.320 you'll hear the first minute.

00:37:45.840 The first minute is not the sound

00:37:48.140 of a wife becoming a widow.

00:37:50.760 To echo her friend Chelsea Barney,

00:37:53.980 the first minute is the sound 0.97

00:37:55.560 of a wife becoming a black widow. 0.95

00:38:01.500 Her own friend said 0.50

00:38:04.320 she's not grieving right.

00:38:06.820 She sounds like she's become 0.95

00:38:08.780 a black widow, not a widow. 1.00

00:38:10.020 And it gets even crazier. They weren't even able to prove how she poisoned her husband. 0.95

00:38:15.760 Check out this headline. OK, prosecutors and Corey Richen's murder trial could not prove how she poisoned her husband.

00:38:23.020 They didn't need to. So they literally did not know how the fentanyl got into her husband's body.

00:38:28.880 The article tells us, quote, to prove their case, prosecutors relied largely on circumstantial evidence to tie her to Eric Richen's death.

00:38:36.840 Cases based on direct evidence are not necessarily stronger than those that rely on circumstantial

00:38:41.660 evidence, legal experts say.

00:38:43.700 Unlike direct evidence, such as eyewitnesses or recordings of a crime, circumstantial cases

00:38:49.040 require jurors to determine a defendant's guilt by weaving together indirect evidence.

00:38:53.540 In Corey Richens' case, prosecutors focused on potential motives for Corey Richens to

00:38:59.180 kill her husband and the actions they said show that she had a guilty conscience after 0.94

00:39:04.220 his death, both elements that can illustrate a defendant's state of mind. They also used

00:39:08.300 digital records to corroborate key witness testimony, which strengthened their circumstantial

00:39:13.580 case. Quote, all of these things together start to add up and the prosecution builds

00:39:18.360 this huge mountain, end quote. And you should know that in this particular case, they relied

00:39:23.360 on things like the fact that she was in financial distress, that she had been having an affair,

00:39:28.380 that he apparently wanted a divorce,

00:39:30.860 that she was, as you heard,

00:39:32.720 grieving differently or not at all.

00:39:35.640 They also found a life insurance policy

00:39:37.920 that they deemed to be fraudulent.

00:39:39.720 Now, I'm sure her attorney argued

00:39:41.260 that it was just a clerical error or whatever,

00:39:44.040 but they found it to be fraudulent.

00:39:46.340 And of course, she was set to inherit millions

00:39:49.300 with him gone.

00:39:51.020 The star witness of the case

00:39:51.780 was actually a housekeeper named Carmen 0.97

00:39:53.420 who testified how Corey would come to her

00:39:55.980 and ask her to buy drugs on her behalf, 0.96

00:39:59.200 which allowed them to then speculate

00:40:01.240 that this is how she got her hands

00:40:03.160 on an illicit street drug.

00:40:05.440 Now, all that is not to suggest

00:40:07.520 that Erica directly murdered Charlie,

00:40:09.920 but it is to say that were it not

00:40:11.440 for Eric Richen's actual friends,

00:40:14.300 siblings, the housekeeper,

00:40:16.100 even Corey Richen's friends

00:40:17.360 who turned on her and said,

00:40:18.520 no, something is not right.

00:40:20.520 She's not behaving correctly.

00:40:22.080 Something is off.

00:40:23.180 People who were willing to stand up

00:40:24.880 and do what you guys describe as immoral or evil

00:40:28.540 and demanding a further investigation

00:40:31.080 when nothing makes sense.

00:40:32.840 If they hadn't compiled those other facts,

00:40:35.340 were it not for their willingness to show text messages,

00:40:37.940 private correspondences from Eric,

00:40:40.040 showing the messages to the public,

00:40:41.640 to the investigative team,

00:40:43.000 and to refuse some foregone conclusion

00:40:46.080 that spouses simply would never have a hand

00:40:48.600 in the murder of one another,

00:40:49.440 which actually flies in the face of reality.

00:40:52.380 The reality is that you're most likely

00:40:54.260 to be murdered by someone you know.

00:40:56.820 That's just a fact of life.

00:40:59.620 But were it not for those people

00:41:00.700 who did not accept the narrative

00:41:02.400 of his accidental ingestion of fentanyl,

00:41:07.980 Horry Richens, the woman that you believe 0.97

00:41:09.740 should be hanged for poisoning her husband 0.95

00:41:12.400 on the basis of circumstantial evidence, 0.99

00:41:14.440 would probably today be considered

00:41:16.740 a brave single mother

00:41:18.200 trying to clean up the mess left behind

00:41:20.720 by her husband's untimely death.

00:41:23.720 And so what I would say is here is what I know.

00:41:26.880 Grieving widows do not lie about threats 1.00

00:41:29.260 that their husbands were facing the night before their deaths.

00:41:33.600 They don't lie about that stuff.

00:41:35.420 Grieving widows do not make up quotations

00:41:37.400 that the surgeon never said about a Superman neck

00:41:40.580 to manage PR least of all

00:41:43.580 on the day that they're burying their husbands.

00:41:46.380 I know enough to know that those things

00:41:48.560 simply don't make sense,

00:41:49.700 and I refuse to pretend otherwise.

00:41:51.560 So since you are now in the habit

00:41:53.220 of calling people out publicly for caring,

00:41:55.520 I thought that I should respond

00:41:56.720 and encourage those people to keep going.

00:41:59.400 It's okay if you get some things wrong,

00:42:00.480 but keep going.

00:42:01.100 Go Max, do it for Charlie.

00:42:02.420 Believe me when I say that Charlie would want you guys to.

00:42:05.620 We'll be right back after a break.

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00:44:11.140 all right you guys top comments from our episode yesterday number one i loved this someone wrote

00:44:18.140 so we are not supposed to attack erica kirk because she's a widow but even though joe kent

00:44:23.260 is a widow we can attack him because he is anti-war got it look i don't write the rules 0.71

00:44:29.840 but yeah they are this ridiculous just make them up as they go along and lady ray perland writes 0.93

00:44:35.540 the notion of being called a Nazi because you don't want to go to war is wild. Nazi just has 0.99

00:44:41.560 no meaning. It's like, we're all Nazis. Okay, cool. Give us our Hugo boss. It's just so

00:44:47.380 ridiculous. Nazi, Nazi. It has no meaning. It doesn't land. Nobody cares anymore. There is 1.00

00:44:53.200 just no appetite for being shocked when someone is called a Nazi anymore. Also, jumping into

00:44:59.940 comments for this episode, actually, I do want to shout out some people. I want to say that this

00:45:03.960 series has been made possible by just so many people around the world that have given us little

00:45:08.180 tidbits, people online who have similarly been fighting for justice for Charlie. And all of

00:45:12.780 these small accounts, I just feel like they're never going to get a ton of credit for the things

00:45:16.000 that they have done and how they have assisted various things. So today I just wanted to shout

00:45:18.880 out, and I should be doing more shout outs, but underscore Linz Mac on Twitter goes by real truth,

00:45:26.240 real justice. I just wanted to shout her out in particular for the hashtag justice for Charlie.

00:45:33.220 there are so many accounts that are like this. And Lynn's Mac is a real one. I will leave it at

00:45:38.320 that. And to get into today's comments, Mrs. W writes, after the last two episodes, I'm starting

00:45:46.020 to wonder if you're pregnant again. Pregnant Candace is fire, and I'm so here for it. Love 0.98

00:45:50.080 you so much. Go, Max. That's so funny. My PR person called me and told me that he said the

00:45:55.240 exact same thing this morning. And I was like, man, I really have a pregnant reputation. Like,

00:45:59.260 Like if I'm, I'm just getting,

00:46:00.760 I have been fired up lately.

00:46:02.320 Seriously, I feel you guys.

00:46:04.060 Everyone's saying that is so funny though.

00:46:05.360 I see you guys in the comments.

00:46:06.280 She must be pregnant. 1.00

00:46:07.080 She must be pregnant. 1.00

00:46:08.520 Jenna Ped writes,

00:46:09.500 I so wish I could hear you speak and pray tomorrow

00:46:11.780 at the Catholic for Catholics event.

00:46:13.180 I have been offering my daily masses

00:46:14.420 for you and your family,

00:46:15.680 offering my mass for you tomorrow

00:46:16.860 on the Feast of St. Joseph.

00:46:18.300 Truth wins.

00:46:19.160 Christ is King.

00:46:20.060 Mary is Queen of Heaven and Earth.

00:46:21.740 Keep going, Max.

00:46:23.000 Thank you so much.

00:46:24.080 And also all of the emails from Catholic World

00:46:28.500 make me so happy. I did want to show this email, not the email, but the picture because it made me

00:46:32.640 really happy. I hope she doesn't mind. It was just one of our fans, Cradle Catholic. She purchased

00:46:36.140 our, I told my priest I would chill sweatshirt and then like snapped a picture with her priest

00:46:40.440 and it's just adorable. So I just wanted to show that. And she's like, I'm like you, I'm super

00:46:46.440 feisty. And they just look very happy here. It just was a bright spot in my morning. So there

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00:47:13.180 owens.com and yeah there's a lot of great stuff we are we are really trying to step it up step up

00:47:18.360 the merch game this year so i hope you guys enjoy that um josie writes oh i'm sorry james first

00:47:24.760 James The Least writes, Joe Kent, Carrie Prejean Bowler, Candace and others are going to witness for faith tomorrow on enemy territory.

00:47:30.940 Surround and protect them with your prayers. Christ is king. Truly do pray.

00:47:34.980 I mean, it's just, like I said, so crazy the way that they have attacked this event.

00:47:38.520 And it's always the gang stalking. It's the phone calls. It's like, why are Catholics not allowed to meet and pray?

00:47:44.120 This is not a political event. We were not billing this as like an anti-Israel event.

00:47:48.680 This is not, you know, Candace getting up and giving her usual political speech anywhere. 1.00

00:47:56.080 And it's been just particularly vicious toward Catholics, actually.

00:47:59.300 General Flynn is also speaking, and he wrote a substack yesterday about how Catholics have been under attack.

00:48:05.160 And it's despicable. It really is despicable.

00:48:07.600 Catholics can meet and get together.

00:48:09.400 And by the way, I want to say that for everyone who's not a Zionist, like there are also a ton of Jewish people who are not Zionists.

00:48:14.320 I've been getting definitely an increase in emails from Jewish people who are getting it.

00:48:19.520 They're just like, why are we attached to Israel?

00:48:21.380 What is this?

00:48:22.220 Like, why do we have to account for what Bibi Netanyahu is doing? 0.97

00:48:26.540 He's a criminal and he's not even practicing Jew. 1.00

00:48:29.680 It's completely absurd. 0.99

00:48:31.560 And all that stuff is just meant to divide us.

00:48:34.960 Eamon Cullen writes, Romans 12, 2 is such a powerful passage.

00:48:37.960 Now it's time we all let the word of Lord Jesus Christ renew our minds and stop being led by the ways of the world.

00:48:44.020 I think that's happening. I'm super optimistic. I think we all are sort of waking up and realizing

00:48:48.100 that fighting each other only benefits the elite, the Epstein class, so to speak.

00:48:54.080 This user writes, remember the note that Erica found on Charlie's desk? Read how it said loneliness.

00:48:59.140 It makes you wonder if something must have been happening behind closed doors. I mean,

00:49:03.200 I've told you guys the truth, which is that they did not have this, how she bills it as this like

00:49:06.420 super happy marriage. And whenever he wanted to go, I was fine with it. And I just, that's fake.

00:49:11.040 okay i didn't say it when it was first going down but like it now that i'm just seeing how she lies

00:49:15.640 and having learned about the kanye thing i can't i can't even go halfway i can't even i can't even

00:49:22.100 go 10 with the fakeness and she's just a fundamentally dishonest person um who should 0.95

00:49:27.360 not be at the helm of that company or any company actually i don't even know what she's ever done

00:49:31.120 in life i can't figure out the whole timeline um who is erica kirk couldn't tell you honestly

00:49:37.140 couldn't tell you anything other than the fact that there are a lot of problems with her alibi

00:49:42.500 on September 8th and on September 10th, what she says that she was doing. And that will be our

00:49:49.840 series finale on this, you know, the Eric Kirk series, The Bride of Charlie. We're not going to

00:49:57.600 see you guys because I'm doing this Catholic event. We will not see you guys tomorrow. We will

00:50:02.460 also not see you guys on friday because we don't do fridays so we will see you on monday

00:50:06.640 for that series finale finale we'll see you guys then

00:50:10.400 getting ready for a game means being ready for anything

00:50:32.460 Like packing a spare stick.

00:50:34.380 I like to be prepared.

00:50:36.020 That's why I remember 988, Canada's Suicide Crisis Helpline.

00:50:39.920 It's good to know, just in case.

00:50:42.080 Anyone can call or text for free confidential support from a trained responder, anytime.

00:50:47.500 988 Suicide Crisis Helpline is funded by the government of Canada.

Candace Owens - March 18, 2026

Red Sparrow： When Erika Met Charlie…

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