In this episode, Dr. Candace Woods joins me to talk about her new book, The Diary of a Psychosis, and why she left the Church of Science. We talk about how she became a skeptic and how she found a new outlet outside of the confines of the medical establishment. She also shares her thoughts on public health in the wake of the panic attacks of the early 1980s, and the role of the media in fueling the panic that led to mass panic. We also talk about why she believes that the government should have done more to prevent mass panic, and whether or not the government is to blame for what happened in the 1980s and 1990s. Candace also discusses why she has left the church of science and why it is time to leave the cult-like beliefs that have kept her stuck in the old ways of thinking and what she wants to do about it. I hope you enjoy this episode and that it makes you think about how important it is to leave your faith in something that is no longer serving your best interests. Thank you for listening to this episode of The Dark Side of the Mind podcast. I appreciate your support, it means a lot to me and I can t wait to do more of this in the future episodes. Thank you so much for listening and sharing it with the world. - Tom and Candace. XOXO, Candace, I hope that you find value in this episode. Peace, Blessings, Elyssa and Cheers, Caitlyn - Caitlyn and Sarah, - P.S. - Sarah, Caitie, Sarah, and Molly, and your support is greatly appreciated. - Caitie and her support is so much appreciated. Caitie & Sarah, Michelle, and her words of support is truly inspiring me. - Thank you, Sarah and her advice is so appreciated and appreciated. Please don t forget to share this with the rest of the world! - Sarah and I appreciate it! Sarah, Sarah's words are so much more than you can be heard across the world, thank you! - Sarah's work is so beautiful, I am grateful for all of your support and support is appreciated! - Your support is really helps me get the word out there! - - I am so grateful. . - Thankyou, Sarah & her words help me out here! - Cheers - Caitlyn, Sarah - Candice,
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00:00:15.420All right, guys, so a couple of weeks ago, I got into a lot of trouble because, well, I'm always kind of in trouble.
00:00:19.780But this time, the reason I was in trouble was because I said that I have left the Church of Science.
00:00:26.440What do you mean you don't trust the science or trust the experts and people were coming undone and referring to me as a flat earther?
00:00:32.920The reality is a lot of things have happened over the last few years that have clarified my perspectives.
00:00:37.980And my perspective today is that science has very much become a faith.
00:00:41.840You have a bunch of people who have sort of ordained themselves ministers and priests, and they tell you not to think at all and just simply follow their instructions.
00:00:51.240And there's no greater example of that and how many times that they have been wrong and how they are able to inspire mass hysteria than COVID.
00:01:01.220I always say, let's not forget what happened during COVID.
00:03:13.900And even though I had maybe a lower estimate of mankind than a lot of people do, it went way low after this.
00:03:20.720To see how many people were forming their opinions on the basis of tribal allegiance.
00:03:25.680You know, my favorite actors are all telling me to stay home and stay safe, so I guess I have to do it.
00:03:29.960But I don't know what the source of it is, but there is definitely a drive to conform.
00:03:37.880And it's like that feeling you had in high school that a lot of the popular kids had where I would die a thousand deaths before, say, anything that would get me out of the popular group.
00:04:27.860And so I just started writing what I was finding.
00:04:31.240And it turns out that that story is like the exact opposite of what we're getting on TV, like the exact opposite.
00:04:38.580Well, it's interesting because I was one of these people that was blessed.
00:04:42.120I was anti-vax before COVID took place, and I had done all of my research, and I had understood what big pharma was because I was, and I do say blessed, by being injured by a vaccine when I was 20 years old.
00:04:53.680The Gardasil vaccine, a lot of women were injured by that vaccine.
00:04:56.660And it was one of these things where I had this mini seizure on the doctor's floor, and then he told me to suspend the series because I think it's about three shots you have to get.
00:05:03.940And afterwards, I just remember thinking, why did I get this shot?
00:05:10.640When I did my research, I was stunned at how they had manipulated the data, how they had lied about the risk, how they just sort of used this campaign, this fear campaign, to say to women, like, you're going to get, this will stop you from getting cancer, cervical cancer, or ovarian cancer.
00:05:33.520And so that kind of began my journey, and I began looking into each and every single vaccine and made a decision for myself not to vaccinate my children.
00:05:39.900I'm not as an anti-vaxxer, it's totally fine.
00:05:41.560But I'm grateful for it because I went into COVID because of that, eyes wide open.
00:05:45.660Like, there was no way after you have a mini seizure and in a doctor's form when you're 20 years old that you are ever going to allow a fear campaign to manipulate you into putting something into your body.
00:05:55.180But the reality is that the entire world now is run by fear campaigns.
00:05:59.520And this gets even into, which I love because we were just talking about this off camera, you know, you're talking about Ron Paul, who actually endorsed this book, which is about the best endorsement you could have.
00:06:09.140For me, it would be Thomas Massey or Ron Paul, and he endorsed this book.
00:06:12.520But when you look through the lens even of American history, how they are able to modify human behavior, get so many people to acquiesce to government incentives to give up their freedoms.
00:06:23.120Sometimes it's always fear as the ingredient to get us to accept whatever, even if it's insane.
00:06:30.880And it's usually, I mean, I also wrote a book about the 2008 financial crisis.
00:06:35.640And when that broke out, it was, we don't have time to talk to you about this.
00:06:39.520We just have to shovel all this money to all these institutions so all these bigwigs can get their bonuses.
00:06:44.920And I'm sorry we don't have time to talk about it.
00:06:56.380And I think part of the reason people are inclined to just go along, I think partly, is that I think the education system encourages following the leader and repeating on the test what you were told in the classroom.
00:07:50.480So this is why it's four years after COVID, I guess four and a half now.
00:07:57.660There's a reason we still need to keep talking about it.
00:08:00.020Because if we don't, then we're going to get another one of these conventional wisdom stories that just ossifies into the permanent version, which is wonderful, selfless public servants like Anthony Fauci tried their best to make us healthy.
00:08:13.660But we stupid heads who hate science refuse to go along.
00:08:17.160That is going to be, in that textbook, absolute 100% guarantee.
00:08:21.680So this is why when people say, you know, you just have to move on, time to move on.
00:08:26.040You know, I don't think Thomas Jefferson ever said, if the government really screws you, you should probably just move on.
00:08:31.980I think if we just move on, then this takes its place alongside the Great Depression, the New Deal, 9-11, the 2008 crisis, COVID, Ukraine, as all having basically cartoon versions winding up in the history books.
00:08:53.300Everything, well, almost everything you know about American history is wrong.
00:08:55.980I fell down this rabbit hole, so to speak, over the last couple of years, and it's so jarring, and it's so shocking, and it takes such a tremendous amount of humility to admit that you know nothing.
00:09:05.200And I have such a thirst for knowledge now, and I do recognize, and there were always the signs there, that what we've actually implemented here in America is not unlike, it's actually an exact replica of, like, Soviet education.
00:09:25.160Great book, and he actually talks about how they're able to, even when there's that one child that stands up, and he was speaking about sex education in particular, and how they start by trying to isolate the child, and making them think that their parents are backwards, and their parents don't know anything, and like, you're part of this new generation, and this thing, and everybody's having sex.
00:09:44.500And he says in that book, and the reality was, before the 70s, before it was, I believe, Jimmy Carter, who signed off in the Department of Education, before the implementation of the Department of Education, the majority of high schoolers were graduating with their virginity intact.
00:09:59.960And, but then they started this sort of planned parenthood-funded effort in the classroom to convince children otherwise, and they isolate that child.
00:10:08.520And they, if there's that one kid that stands up and says, like, no, like, I, my mom says I should keep my virginity, they allow the entire class to participate.
00:10:17.780And he cites examples to participate in making this child feel humiliated.
00:10:22.000So this goes back to exactly what we're talking about with COVID, where people don't want to feel isolated, they don't want to feel humiliated, and they also don't want to admit that it's plausible that they're wrong.
00:10:38.000And, I mean, that's, that to me is just, it's so sad that people don't have the courage to stand by what is so, to me, obviously and morally wrong.
00:10:46.200Like, you're masking children, you know what I mean?
00:10:48.860Like, take a stance for something, and they don't.
00:11:07.860But then in terms of what, what you're talking about here, I, I should say something about your, I, I absolutely agree with you about science becoming a religion.
00:11:15.120And, and it's not my religion, and I'm standing up against it.
00:11:17.680That doesn't mean I don't believe in the scientific method.
00:11:20.140It doesn't, it doesn't mean I don't accept scientific conclusions.
00:11:23.440But it does mean we have a perverse deformation of actual science.
00:11:29.840And we're, like, last year we had more retracted papers in medicine than at any time ever.
00:11:36.020And you would think, as time goes on, wouldn't you think we would get better and better, and we'd have more knowledge, and there'd be fewer retracted papers?
00:11:43.760But also, scientism, which is what we're opposed to, more or less seems to say that the only stuff I'm going to believe is, is information that comes through a test tube.
00:11:57.100But so much of what these people believe can't possibly come out of a test tube.
00:12:00.740Like, these people say, I believe in human equality.
00:12:03.620Well, there is nothing that's going to come directly from observation or a test tube that's going to support that, because people are tall or short or smart or dumb or talented or untalented.
00:12:28.060But that doesn't come out of a test tube.
00:12:29.560There are a lot of things you believe in deeply that do not come out of a test tube.
00:12:32.220And then also, if you thought that the extreme measures they took during COVID were over the top and wrong, they would say, well, the scientists are telling us we need to do it.
00:12:43.860Now, number one, not all the scientists were saying that.
00:12:46.260But number two, there's no class Anthony Fauci took in school that told him, if something like COVID is circulating, here's how you balance out the protecting people's health consideration versus destroying society through lockdowns.
00:13:09.180But because he's a scientist and because everyone is infected with scientism, they attribute to him these supernatural abilities that he most certainly does not possess.
00:13:19.300I would like you to speak more at length about scientism because I recently read C.S. Lewis's The Abolition of Man.
00:13:25.720And I think it's a really important point to hit upon in case people are not familiar what you are differentiating here between scientism and science.
00:13:32.900Well, when we say science, especially since, let's say, the so-called scientific revolution.
00:13:40.980I mean, Roger Bacon, there were people in the high Middle Ages who were practicing science.
00:13:45.380And by the way, that's a whole other story, is the normal portrayal of the progress of Western history is that we had Greece and Rome, then nothing.
00:14:38.400It's that they've decided that this is the truth.
00:14:41.980And so Dr. Marty McCary has a brand new book out called Blind Spots, in which he just runs through all these areas where the consensus was so wrong, but good luck trying to fight against it.
00:15:27.140You notice that in America, we have so many people with peanut allergies.
00:15:31.180And it seems to be like just an American thing.
00:15:33.600Like, why don't they have peanut allergies in Zimbabwe?
00:15:36.260You know, like, why do we have them here?
00:15:37.880And the consensus was we keep kids from having peanuts or peanut products for the first few years of their lives to prevent them from getting peanut allergies.
00:15:46.680It turns out that causes the peanut allergies.
00:15:49.420But yet, American researchers were the ones telling various groups trying to end hunger, don't use peanuts, even though they're easy to transport, they're protein-rich, they don't have to be refrigerated.
00:16:01.300They're very easy to use for this purpose.
00:16:03.200But American researchers say, no, no, no, no, because you're going to encourage peanut allergies.
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00:17:03.040And some of it is really just common sense.
00:17:05.020You know, like when I embarked on creating a series, I actually have an entire series called A Shot in the Dark where I speak about vaccines to parents.
00:17:10.420And I just go through the history that they are not allowed access to.
00:17:13.400I mean, it's crazy how much money I had to spend to access these original studies.
00:17:17.600Like, you have to get all these shots for your kids, but we can't let you read the studies unless you pay $150 to see where the genesis of this.
00:17:42.780Well, we have to do tetanus, of course.
00:17:44.520Polio and tetanus are the ones that there's like this ingrained fear.
00:17:47.080And so I said to my husband, I say to people all the time, how many people do you think during its peak incidence, these, by the way, are statistics from the AMA, the American Medical Association.
00:17:56.740I'm not finding this stuff on like a Reddit feed.
00:17:58.420I only use approved government sources.
00:18:01.040And I say, how many people do you think during its peak incidence in America before the introduction of the vaccine were getting tetanus, like just were being diagnosed with tetanus?
00:18:11.620And I'll tell them, I'm like, the population was around, you know, 129 million in America.
00:18:17.080At the time, everyone will say 100,000, maybe 300,000.
00:18:23.220So it's little things like this that people just don't know, right?
00:18:25.920They just know tetanus, that your kids are getting 17 shots.
00:18:28.420I'm like, 550 people in total got tetanus before they introduced the vaccine.
00:18:34.680And so it's so important for people to just have access to this information so that they can not, maybe you still decide that you want your child to get the tetanus vaccine.
00:19:22.120You know, there was a study done, I think it was in that, Thomas Sowell talks about it in that education book, where they surveyed Korean students and American students.
00:19:29.520And they asked, do you think you're good at math?
00:19:32.040Now, American students are way worse, but they think they're good.
00:19:35.640The Korean students are way better and they think they're not so good.
00:19:38.520Oh, I wish we had the exact statistic because it's a stunning statistic.
00:19:57.080They got the we're number one, you know, the foam finger in the air.
00:20:01.180So Gloria Steinem is, you know, the feminist leader.
00:20:06.100She is of the opinion that women are being held to an unreasonable standard of beauty and that that is that was causing a lot of people to come to get anorexia, to come down with anorexia and to present with anorexia.
00:20:19.640And so she was saying that 150,000 women a year were dying from this.
00:20:25.440And it turns out the answer, the real number was 100.
00:20:28.720Now, I don't mean 100,000, I mean 100.
00:20:31.240But you hear 150,000, you think, wow, we have to take action.
00:20:34.740And that is that is a, quote unquote, progressive pattern.
00:20:38.460They make up a number like Mitch Snyder.
00:20:40.920Now, homelessness is is does seem to be a pretty big problem these days in the cities.
00:20:45.580But in the 80s, when everybody said there were three million homeless, that didn't come from somebody walking around with a clipboard and keeping an eye on things.
00:20:52.720That was Mitch Snyder, homeless advocate, who said, well, I had to get people's attention.
00:21:02.980So now I'm I'll just tell you, I'm over 50 at this point.
00:21:06.480And when you're a man and you're 50, one of the things they tell you when you go see the doctor is, hey, you are eligible now for the shingles vaccine.
00:21:15.820You should consider getting the shingles vaccine.
00:21:17.740Now, I'm going to be honest enough with you, Candice, to say that if this had been five years ago, I would have rolled up my sleeve and said, yeah, go ahead.
00:21:38.120I'm sitting there thinking when you say to me that it's 87 percent effective, is this like the covid vaccine being 100 percent effective?
00:21:45.040It's because they literally said it's 100 percent effective.
00:21:47.880And when you go back and look at it, you think this can't be.
00:21:50.540But when you go back and look at it, it's that they had a vaccine group and a control group and the vaccine group had like one infection and the control had two.
00:21:59.120And since two is 100 percent more than one, the covid vaccine is 100 percent effective.
00:22:03.760Now, we all knew that 100 percent effective.
00:22:06.200The average person will hear that and think that means nothing can happen to me.
00:22:21.780It's not because I want to get shingles.
00:22:23.900It's that now I've been I feel like I've been awakened to something.
00:22:28.140I mean, I was you know, I wrote the Politically Incorrect Guide to American History.
00:22:30.800I'm very skeptical of official narratives.
00:22:32.720But when it came to health, again, I'll be honest with you, I used to think that the people in our ranks who were complaining about their doctor or the medical system, I would say, come on.
00:22:42.380I mean, look at the life expectancy figures going up, which is no longer true.
00:22:46.740You know, what are you cranks complaining about?
00:22:48.800And I'm thinking, oh, my gosh, what an idiot.
00:23:39.680Like, you know, if there was no water, you wouldn't have to say in order, you know, for you to go to school, you're gonna have to drink water.
00:23:45.740We would be like, please just give up.
00:23:47.560Please give us the water we want to live.
00:23:49.460And so there are so many common sense aspects to it.
00:23:52.080But I did have to think about this because I had such a reverence instilled in me for doctors and wanting to believe in the Hippocratic oath, wanting to believe that they have our best interests at heart.
00:24:03.440And I realized all of these people are just human.
00:24:06.460And so now I just need to know who everyone was in high school.
00:24:29.260He's like, and that's why doctors get so offended when you question them, because they realize their own ignorance when you're like, but wait a minute.
00:24:36.140Actually, how many people were dying of tetanus in 1947?
00:24:39.420They don't want to go down that route because they're not trying to harm you.
00:24:46.760And I think it's the best way to look at it.
00:24:47.820That's the thing is that this is another thing that scientism has fed into is that we attribute to these people superhuman characteristics.
00:24:56.000They have the same moral foibles that you and I have, and they're subject to the same kinds of influences that you and I might be.
00:25:02.240So, unfortunately, I know that the media discourages you from, quote, doing your own research.
00:25:07.860But in this day and age, finding somebody who really is knowledgeable about medicine is is is a rare thing and very important.
00:25:16.220And now on the vaccine question, you notice that talking about children, if if it really were something those kids needed.
00:25:23.760And. L.A. schools would would have imposed it, New York schools would have imposed it, even the left liberal parents who, you know, on the surface, they're going to do whatever the health authorities recommend.
00:25:36.180They knew the kids don't need this and they knew it was bad.
00:25:39.580So the the polls were all showing like not not even a quarter of the parents wanted the kids getting it.
00:26:18.680But isn't it interesting, you know, that Dr.
00:26:20.120Jay Varma from New York who was just exposed for having had, let's say, immoral parties during covid at the same time, he was sitting next to the New York mayor every weekday giving his briefing.
00:26:31.920He was out doing unbelievable, unbelievable things.
00:26:36.900He admitted on camera, on a hidden camera, that what we do is we don't literally drag you into the doctor's office, grab your arm and stick the needle in.
00:26:48.820We just make your life really difficult if you don't.
00:26:53.420So up to that point, I found in Diary of Psychosis, I quote some Canadian officials who came out and said that in America, they kept that part quiet.
00:27:01.340They were saying, no, the vaccine mandate is to keep you all safe, you know, because you don't want to go to a restaurant, get covid.
00:27:07.720But he admitted that's not the reason that's not there.
00:27:10.560And and in fact, we can see if you look at L.A.
00:27:13.620County versus Orange County, Orange County did not have a vaccine mandate.
00:28:00.980So it's like, oh, you're do you want to be anti-vax?
00:28:03.520Because if you're a public figure and I really look back at the people who were saying this years ago, like Jenny McCarthy and the stuff that was said about her.
00:28:10.720I mean, she was so brave in the retrospect when she was talking about her son, who she said a vaccine gave him autism and the media just came down on her.
00:28:18.000So it's like we're not saying you don't have to get the vaccines, but you're going to have 80,000 articles written about you calling you a dangerous anti-vaxxer.
00:28:25.220You're never going to get booked again for another show.
00:28:27.200You're going to lose your acting career.
00:28:28.720That is an element of this this dark psychology, which is essentially like get into formation or we are going to destroy your credibility and make it difficult for you to live.
00:28:38.560And the only way that I think you can have any guard against that is to understand it, understand that that is what they are there to do, is to see a person that's telling the truth, just like the kid in the classroom, isolate that person and have everyone around them say, oh, you're really going to keep saying that?
00:28:53.620Are you really going to keep saying that people shouldn't get this COVID vaccine, Candace?
00:28:57.200Are you really going to keep saying that you don't believe the World War II narrative, Tom Woods?
00:29:20.200Like I would say to people, you could hang out with Dr. Jay Varma and all these boring people, or you could hang out with us.
00:29:26.240Like, you know, it's going to be vastly better.
00:29:28.000But the desire to conform has been so utterly destructive, not just in COVID, but in so many other areas of history.
00:29:39.660And as I say, it's been so discouraging for me to see this because I kind of thought, well, once we get the Internet, people will understand the world.
00:29:49.600But before we started recording, I mentioned the case, or I can't remember if it was with you or one of your associates, but Dr. Anders Tegnell was the state epidemiologist in Sweden.
00:29:59.840And everybody, everybody piled on him.
00:30:02.780And this was a guy who was very much an outlier because he very ostentatiously did not go along with the lockdown regime and almost nobody in Sweden wore masks.
00:30:14.200When I finally took a trip to Sweden during all this, the only people wearing masks were American tourists.
00:30:20.600They just weren't and it didn't make any difference and nobody cared.
00:30:23.580But he said, it's going to take three years for me to be vindicated, three years of nothing but abuse and slander and unbelievable attacks.
00:30:35.620Like you can't believe the entire medical establishment around the world going after him.
00:30:39.740And I think about a weakling like Anthony Fauci, you know, who can't take some criticism very well.
00:30:46.120Anthony Fauci needs to be lauded and awarded and praised and people bowing before him.
00:30:58.340So, you know, and could you imagine him surviving for three days, much less three weeks with the entire establishment coming down?
00:31:05.940And then it turns out the guy was vindicated because we have the numbers for all the countries of Europe and excess deaths during the period 2020 to 2023.
00:31:16.100And guess which country did the best in terms of good health?
00:31:21.080So that means that all the things they said to us were false.
00:31:26.200That means, like, I live in Florida, thank God, because it meant that I was able to avoid, like, my kids were able to live normal lives during this time.
00:31:36.280But you compare it with California, you have to adjust for age because California is one of the youngest states and we all know everybody goes to retire in Florida.
00:33:15.960He's traveling around the world debating people on atheism, why he believes that everyone should be an atheist, yada, yada, yada, gets this podcast, Stanford grad.
00:34:59.000And so when you see people that gravitate towards these various pagan faiths, whether it's environmentalism, people crying in the streets, the planet's going to be over in 10 days.
00:35:07.500Maybe scientism tells us that the planet's going to be over in 10 years, every 10 years.
00:35:12.280And you wonder what's happening with them.
00:35:15.580I do see this spiritual void that is being filled with something incredibly toxic.
00:35:49.140But we're not going to, unless you want to get into bad Popes, we have other things to talk about.
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00:36:52.700I actually want to tell a quick story because I think I do want to acknowledge people who, you know, because there were a lot of us who did figure things out and did stand up, even if it meant they lost friendships, they were called names or whatever.
00:37:10.240And there's a—I've told this story a bunch of times, but I love it so much, and I've gotten to know the woman involved.
00:37:15.320In Ohio, a woman named Catherine Hewig had been following the data very closely, and she got an opportunity to speak before the Ohio State Legislature.
00:37:23.580And she brought in a chart, and it was a chart of, like, COVID deaths over time, but she didn't put the time stamps on the bottom, so you don't know what month is what.
00:37:34.040And she says, all right, if the things that you did to us, like the curfews, the lockdowns, the masks, this mandate, that mandate, if they did anything, you should be able to pick out on the chart exactly when they were implemented.
00:37:45.920I'd also like you to show me when's Thanksgiving, because we were all supposed to die at Thanksgiving.
00:38:09.100Here, in Nashville, Tennessee, I've got in my book four charts, and it's four different counties, and one of them limited restaurant capacity and bar capacity to 25%, and the others didn't.
00:38:22.420And I say, all right, here are the charts.
00:38:24.880And, of course, absolutely impossible to do that.
00:38:27.140So I came up with a full-blown quiz where on the screen it'll say, all right, which one of these do you think implemented a mask mandate and which one didn't?
00:38:35.740And there'll be places that are right next to each other, you know, so it's the same people.
00:38:39.240And you have to—and you get everyone wrong.
00:40:34.740So I said, those clips need to be preserved forever.
00:40:41.020Like every future student of this needs to see these.
00:40:43.980That when you actually asked them, if you're thinking, well, they have some sophisticated response, they did not have a sophisticated response.
00:40:53.140And all I wanted them to say was, we're puzzled as to what's happening here.
00:40:57.120I just wanted some acknowledgement, some humility on the part of these people instead of the unbelievable, unremitting arrogance that we got for years.
00:41:06.240I would say that it's worse than arrogance.