Candice talks about the new tactic of "David Hogganizing the public" and why it's time to call out the tactics of Turning Point USA and Tyler Boyer. Candice also uses the analogy of the Cracker Barrel incident to explain the lack of outrage in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death.
00:00:00.080Happy Monday, everybody. Today, we are going to discuss, or rather, I'm going to introduce to you a psychological strategy that I refer to as David Hoggan somebody.
00:00:10.720You guys remember David Hogg of the Parkland shooting tragedy? Of course you do.
00:00:15.540Well, it seems like Turning Point USA is now engaging in this strategy of David Hogging the public, and I wanted to be clear that it is downright manipulative, and I've really had enough of it.
00:00:26.180Frankly, what happened over the weekend is that their TP Action COO, Tyler Boyer, went on a little bit of an ex-binge, I don't recommend it, which was then highlighted by Alex Clark, who has a show over there on Instagram.
00:00:41.580And I think it's therefore fair for us to turn our attention back to them. So, welcome back, Candace.
00:00:56.180So, let me put it to you this way. I'll give you a different scenario.
00:01:05.740If, at this very moment, McDonald's publicly announced that their CEO was stepping down, and they were going to replace him with somebody else, nobody would care, right?
00:01:16.160Like, there's not going to be any public outcry about them doing that. The average person doesn't even know who the current CEO of McDonald's actually is.
00:01:26.180But, however, giving you a different scenario, if out of nowhere, McDonald's announced that they were getting rid of the Big Mac, that they were changing their French fries, and they're doing away with their chicken nuggets, there would probably be a reaction to that.
00:01:38.200People would be pretty angry, would probably start trending. And it's because the reality is nobody actually cares about the corporate structure.
00:01:47.960But if you change the menu items, that actually changes the substance of the company for people.
00:01:53.240A very recent example of that, by the way, is the Cracker Barrel scandal, which was hilarious, but it was a good point for everybody to learn, right?
00:02:01.400Corporate, over at Cracker Barrel, effed around, and they found out pretty quickly that that old man on the logo, that inanimate old man that was with the Cracker and the barrel,
00:02:13.220actually had more meaning to the public than their entire corporate division.
00:02:19.140They were ready to just walk away from it all because they got rid of the old man and his barrel.
00:02:24.640Now, I raise this only to say that I have seen multiple political organizations within recent years, especially when money starts pouring in, right?
00:02:34.120There's this, like, arrogance that sets in, and they start to delude themselves into believing that they're smarter than their customers, that they're smarter than their audience, so to speak, right?
00:02:44.920Like, the magic is actually the corporate structure.
00:02:47.120Audiences, I want to be very clear, will catch a vibe pretty quickly.
00:02:53.920They will sense when something is off.
00:02:56.420And the harder that you try to convince them that their senses are not real and that they are imagined, the more obvious it actually becomes to them that their suspicions are correct.
00:03:32.240If you have a—if you're able to think thoughts, you recognize that something is very wrong with the story that has been presented to the public.
00:03:40.520And I think that what the public doesn't understand, and I count myself among the public, is why it seems as though Turning Point USA executives, and I'll say seems, are not even remotely interested in challenging that official narrative.
00:03:59.540They're not interested in challenging it publicly, at least.
00:04:02.220In fact, I think it was an ex-user that pointed out, he put it rather bluntly, when he said, so they want us to forgive Tyler Robinson, but to attack the people that are trying to solve the murder of Charlie Kirk?
00:04:21.640And I want to say that what's been bothering me, in particular, are the micro-lies.
00:04:27.940It seems that they're suddenly in the business of telling micro-lies, tiny little misrepresentations, tiny little half-truths that, right out of the gate, seems altogether unnecessary.
00:04:40.740It really makes me wonder, who are they protecting exactly?
00:04:45.240You'll see oftentimes, they and other influencers will invoke Erica as the reason that it's not appropriate to ask questions.
00:04:52.960It's just not appropriate, while Erica is still mourning, for you guys to ask any questions.
00:04:57.400And I'm just going to come back at you with some common sense.
00:04:59.620What sort of widow wouldn't want people to investigate the assassination of their husband?
00:05:05.420She has not explicitly said that, but the influencers are invoking that, right?
00:05:10.720They're invoking, like, you just, it's not appropriate right now for people to be asking questions.
00:05:15.980That's what I mean when I say they are David hogging us, okay?
00:05:21.160Somebody that was on the right, Kyle Kushev.
00:05:23.520What it essentially means is that when a tragedy takes place and we are all, we are emotional, our emotions are raw, me especially, I think this was the first time where I couldn't really check my emotions.
00:05:34.340I'm just now, like, moving out of the grief stage.
00:05:37.620There will be people that then will try to manipulate you, right?
00:05:42.720They will try to manipulate you by using that strategy of saying, well, it would be really wrong.
00:05:49.400It would be really wrong for you to look beneath this layer or to ask a question about this.
00:05:54.860And, you know, it would be an injustice to Charlie Kirk's legacy, really.
00:05:59.020If you really loved him, then you shouldn't do this, okay?
00:06:26.400But then when you go beyond that, it starts to feel a little bit like you're emotionally manipulating us and that you're actually trying to silence people who have valid questions or criticisms or concerns.
00:06:36.580That strategy, like I said, it worked on me in the beginning.
00:06:39.480I was definitely completely worked by it.
00:06:42.020And I was feeling like even though I knew that they were telling white lies, that I should just allow it and to instead focus my entire attention on just unpacking the federal lies.
00:07:20.780Now, I'll give you just one example here, and we're going to get into some stuff that's rather bombastic, if I'm being frank.
00:07:26.320But one example that I bit my tongue on a couple weeks ago was when influencers randomly went on a full attack, like full attack mode against me when I very casually, you guys watching the series, very casually mentioned that Catholics were hoping that Charlie was going to take the next step and convert.
00:09:29.700So I was a bit astonished when Andrew Colvett and Alex Clark similarly jumped in in this inauthentic attempt to dissuade the idea that Charlie was softening on Catholicism.
00:09:43.440It read to me like just sheer hatred of Catholics for no reason at all.
00:10:48.020And I think Charlie, one of the things, Charlie really hated worshiping in like a gym, you know, or some sort of kind of blank space that you just turn into church.
00:11:05.300And he loved, again, the ritual, the ancient, you know, feel of a Catholic mass and the fact that everybody around the world that was worshiping is Catholic.
00:11:18.640So he had some really big theological hangups with that.
00:11:22.040You can go check the videos out, him debating with Michael Knowles, you know, in good fun.
00:11:26.080I mean, they were dear friends, but they loved kind of debating the whole Protestant versus Catholic thing.
00:11:30.160Now, given everything that I've shared with you, does that conversation register as like totally and completely authentic or kind of trying to be like, yeah, no, like he loves the architecture of things.
00:11:42.420But beyond that, nothing was happening.
00:11:45.400Like, that's not that's not fully honest.
00:11:47.680And it registered to me like a cover up of sorts.
00:11:51.160And I was wondering, like, what are we exactly covering up?
00:11:53.100Like, I wasn't going Catholic gang gang, wasn't trying to bring back a 30 years war.
00:11:57.500I was just sharing the communications that I had with him.
00:12:00.860And now I felt like suddenly so many people were racing to establish that his legacy was anything but Catholic, Catholic, right?
00:12:07.900Like he was super de-duper Judeo-Christian.
00:12:11.480And ironically, it was Judeo-Christianity that I was challenging him on personally, like privately.
00:12:17.360And I was speaking to him about the political pressures of it, the way that I felt because of last year that it registered to me like more of a cult than a true theology or religion or a religious aspect, rather.
00:12:30.200And it was back in February of this year when out of nowhere, he's the one that actually messaged me and said, I'm sorry, and said Catholicism is sounding better and better in February of 2024.
00:12:42.140This is kind of when we started having that discussion, we should chat soon, Catholicism is looking better and better, okay?
00:12:47.720I then offered back to him a chart just showing how the phrase Judeo-Christianity kind of is really associated with the dawn of the nation of Israel, right?
00:13:01.720And I was thrilled, like I said, and I was being honest that he was attending mass, okay?
00:13:05.760But I want to, again, state that Charlie was not attending Rob McCoy's church.
00:13:10.560He was attending mass, so it registered to me, again, as somewhat disingenuous when Pastor Rob McCoy came out and effectively asked me to, you know, stop looking into all of the things that happened in the lead-up to Charlie Kirk's assassination, or at least asking me to pause it, rather, would be more fair of an interpretation, until the memorial, right?
00:14:10.420If Charlie was a friend of mine, I sure hope if I was assassinated in front of the world that he would raise hell to figure out what actually took place in that day.
00:14:42.400I don't even like that, to the untrained eye, he's kind of representing himself or representing Charlie as like a current congregant of his church.
00:14:50.740I feel like a lot this year I have been feeling as though these pastors are just not as honest as they should be, right?
00:16:08.660He knew and others knew that Charlie was done with Israel bullying him.
00:16:13.440And I am now going to present you proof of what I am saying.
00:16:16.780This is an actual group chat, which happened two days before Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
00:16:21.480There were nine people in total on this chat, including Charlie and Rob McCoy.
00:16:27.200I'm going to protect the names of the other seven for now.
00:16:31.520To be clear, I might actually release a name every day of this week.
00:16:34.500But I want to show you this because suffice it to say, Rob McCoy was on this text thread.
00:16:39.860And I think it helps contextualize him as a person, in my view, that he would attack me for telling the truth about the pressure that he was facing.
00:37:37.260The very first thought that popped into my head was, I'm so glad that Charlie knew Jesus, said Clark, 32, who hosts the Maha-friendly podcast, Culture Apothecary, Returning Point USA.
00:37:47.160The second thought was, what will happen now?
00:37:50.000And the third thought was, thank God Trump is president.
00:38:53.680The last thought that I had as I spent days crying, okay, had difficulty physically pulling myself out of bed, felt like I was being a bad mother, was, man, I'm sure glad Donald Trump is president.
00:39:12.120I remember feeling angry when Trump moved to kind of, like, do a same-time post, Bibi Netanyahu, and then, like, publishes a picture of Charlie with an Israeli flag behind.
00:39:44.120But anyways, I just, I don't know why.
00:39:46.740I don't know why, but the people that are critiquing us for investigating the murder are not critiquing themselves and not holding a mirror to themselves.
00:39:54.180Anyways, Alex has decided to share a total half-truth PR spin on another tweet from Tyler Boyer where he responds to someone asking about Charlie establishing a Doge department.
00:40:04.300Again, we presented that to the public.
00:40:05.800We showed the internal email, the internal memo that went out.
00:40:12.400I didn't read the paragraph where he announced that Justin Strife would be the COO, but we read the entirety related to the Doge department.
00:40:19.060And here's what Tyler says about that.
00:40:34.380It operates eight times more effectively than any other similar operation.
00:40:38.340So what did I make up when I shared an email and Charlie said he wanted to establish a new Doge department?
00:40:44.480Why would he call it new if he was doing it every year?
00:40:46.640And wow, what foresight you had as a company that's been around for like 10 years or more, maybe more 10 years that you were doing Doge since the beginning?
00:40:56.120No, you're conflating and it's dishonest.
00:40:58.660The audit has F all, okay, F all to do with Doge.
00:41:04.620The audit is what 501c3s are instructed to do, get an independent auditor and audit yourselves or else the IRS will hound you.
00:41:11.840Now, when you are auditing yourselves, I will guarantee you the Clinton Foundation audited themselves annually.
00:41:17.580That does not mean that there is not corruption.
00:41:19.960It does not mean it means that you're doing things that are above board.
00:41:22.900From a government perspective, it does not mean that within your own organization there is not corruption.
00:41:27.660That is the reason for a Doge department, at least according to what Elon Musk said.
00:41:33.260Nobody, when he established Doge with Vivek Ramaswamy, was thinking that he was going in there because he was going to see if they're violating the IRS laws.
00:41:42.580No, I think he went in there to see wasteful spending and to see where the money was going, where our tax dollars was going.
00:42:28.040A lot of contractors, that's something that you can do.
00:42:30.440As just one example, that's completely illegal, but utterly immoral, is if you're outsourcing all of the millions of dollars to contractors and you're getting kickbacks.
00:42:41.660So I take money from donors and then I show that I'm paying out to a contractor who doesn't work for Turning Point USA, but that contractor is then somehow paying me back.
00:42:54.020That would be something that wouldn't flag the IRS, but then would flag a CEO and a Doge department if they started looking at where the money was spending.
00:43:11.460And I don't want to make a mistake or be wrong.
00:43:14.200And in many ways, I kind of feel like this pressure that I don't want to let Catholics down because I don't know everything.
00:43:19.000And I prefer the people that have been Catholic forever to speak on things as I'm still a student.
00:43:22.760But I do want to say that a major clue for me that being non-denominational was no longer working for me happened because of things politically.
00:43:35.120When I tried to express certain questions about the modern state of Israel and was instead met with what I can only describe as cult-like behavior.
00:44:14.660And if you're accepting money to do that in the process, you're worse than a fraud.
00:44:19.060Anyways, I want to show you guys this clip that someone sent me.
00:44:21.280This was a sermon which was given by a pastor on September 21st, 2025.
00:44:28.640Now, it's not necessary to name the Judeo-Christian pastor, right?
00:44:32.500I'm never trying to put any fire on them because I actually think what they're doing is important.
00:44:37.800Because I find out about all of these sermons because their congregants are sending them to me, right?
00:44:43.220They've got the CIA in their own congregation and people are going, and I stopped attending that day because I realized something's not right here.
00:44:51.220I want you to listen to this pastor's words because you might, too, feel similarly inspired to recognize that something is wrong.
00:45:01.180It's going to be fair for me to say that.
00:45:02.480But pastors that have a very strong political bent, something's not right there, all right?
00:45:08.720Now, to tee this up, the title of his sermon is, What Has Defiled You?
00:45:13.960And he has decided for this particular sermon to pull from Paul's letter to the Corinthians.
00:45:18.860And that specific biblical passage that he cites is chapter 7, verse 1, and it reads, the Bible reads,
00:45:26.120Therefore, beloved, since we have these promises, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that defiles body and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
00:45:37.260Now, you don't need to be a priest or a pastor to think right now about what you might perceive is the point of that passage.
00:46:25.240Because we've seen the Six-Day War in 1967.
00:46:29.140There wasn't a narrative that was so prevalent right now with foolish people that are so deceived, like a Candace Owens and like a Nick Fuentes.
00:46:38.360And young people are eating that up, and they're changing their philosophy on what these people say.
00:46:43.280That do not base your ideology unless somebody has a Bible open.
00:46:49.960That is where your ideology comes from.
00:46:55.240You're going to be like that tree-hugging hippie mom that I'm trying to save her kids from being bitten by a rattlesnake and dying, and she's all worried about some habitat when she knows she's not welcoming in rattlesnakes in her home.
00:47:11.600And our ideologies, when we really, really think about them, they've been formed by a society that is not basing everything they believe out of the Word of God.
00:47:22.080And I challenge you today, if I've said anything that you don't think is right, bring your Bible and show me.
00:48:06.340I'm open, like you, to being incorrect.
00:48:10.200But it's just like, there's something that is so fundamentally disgusting.
00:48:14.000And I hope you guys agree about using the Bible to justify your own personal rants, using the Bible to justify why you're attacking somebody, preaching a sermon.
00:48:31.940I'm not sitting here going, turn your Bible here and you are, you know, defile and blah, blah, blah.
00:48:37.660And what this really means is like that turning point is like that's, there's something so incredibly evil about that.
00:48:46.960He has a quick second here when he wraps up his points about me that I want to get to because I'm starting to realize I don't even think he knows what defile means, actually.
00:48:55.780You need to go to the Lord and say, what has defiled me?
00:49:00.380Hopefully, some of you that have been defiled with the nation of Israel, because you've been in an echo chamber of Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens, that defilement has now come off of you.
00:49:13.140And you're going to block them because they're anti what scripture says, what defiles you, what defiles you.
00:49:28.300So I think what he is saying that if I'm being charitable here, he's suggesting like you'll somehow be saved if you block me on Insta.
00:49:54.560It's like he it's like so much relies on him getting this point across.
00:49:58.300So he just like opens his Bible, points to a verse and just throws it up and says whatever he wants to.
00:50:03.480He's basically me on like aim when I was in the eighth grade, picking out quotes from like, you know, whatever those quote websites are and just like throwing it on my away message.
00:50:16.700There's no rhyme or reason that he's doing this feeling that he has and he wants to express it and justify it using a quote without its context or even understanding of why that quote was said or why the biblical passage was written.
00:50:31.340Everything that's happening right now to continue to justify what the state of Israel is doing, the modern state of Israel is doing, which has nothing to do with the ancient Israel, the biblical Israel is they are now trying to censor us, trying to control our speech.
00:51:00.040This this this came out that like their tick tock, which we covered this before, the moderation team, like IDF soldiers and Bibi Netanyahu saying we're taking over tick tock.
00:51:11.460My agents are going to get that in a purchase.
00:51:13.640That's what needs to happen so that we can win announcing essentially psychological warfare on on the American people because they don't think we can think for ourselves and decide who we want to follow on X all by ourselves.
00:51:25.460Apparently, they're going to ban the juice box emoji, right?
00:51:29.660Because people because they can't talk about the modern state of Israel have been using like at the apple juice because juice can sound like juice.
00:52:26.360That's what I want you guys to do because that would just be funny.
00:52:28.060And we have to actually have fun because it's getting so crazy.
00:52:31.560We have to actually have fun and continue to smile and laugh and to be happy warriors for truth because Charlie always believed in being a happy warrior.
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