00:02:33.440Go ahead, go for it, buddy, gubernatorial candidate to Colorado.
00:02:37.440And it was really something for a lot of reasons.
00:02:40.520I mean, as many of you commented, rarely do we get to see that sort of arrogance on display.
00:02:47.860There are a lot of little Icarus birdies flying around in America.
00:02:51.320Just a complete lack of self-awareness, believing that you are untouchable, that you've graduated to some class of people that do whatever they want and face no consequences.
00:03:04.140Also, as a side note, sort of incredible to see how many people he had, Victor Marks had on his team, helping him out with that interview.
00:03:12.420He took to X afterward and posted this little shot.
00:03:16.620Hey, everybody. Victor Marks here. I just finished a podcast with Candace Owen that I think will never be forgotten. I want to appreciate my team here.
00:03:29.140You know, look, I always say truth will prevail, and it did today. I'm not mad at Candace. I don't have any anger toward her.
00:03:37.220A couple of times I was passionate in it because I am about protecting kids and Charlie's death.
00:03:43.000What I would say is, for those of you who said, Victor doesn't debate, that was a one-hour, no moderator debate.
00:03:52.020That's what I've always told those other candidates.
00:05:09.520Somehow he felt that that was enough information for him to fire up Instagram and report it to the world, that Charlie Kirk did not make it.
00:05:20.260Obviously, a big question that we have had is you were first to post a video that was later on removed saying that Charlie had passed.
00:05:29.620And this video was about an hour and 20 minutes before the president's announcement.
00:05:35.180It would have been to the, you know, to the minutes about the time that his family found out that he had passed away.
00:05:42.400Or the people that were at the hospital had found out that he had passed away.
00:05:45.580So do you, can you explain how you found that out and why you chose to remove the video?
00:05:51.640Well, yeah, I'm first interested to find out why y'all think I was the first or one of the first, you know, to do that.
00:06:01.080Because, I mean, a rough estimate, there's between one to three million pieces of social media content that are produced every second worldwide.
00:07:06.380I watched Charlie being shot one time.
00:07:10.100And my team, many who are former special operations guys and combat medics, lots of experience, they viewed it multiple times because I wouldn't.
00:08:17.600You just said you're friends with Frank Turek.
00:08:19.460friends with the security guys. You told us elsewhere in the interview that Eileen and Erica,
00:08:25.300they got so close because, well, your wife, your bride mentors Erica, right? You were so close to
00:08:33.540Charlie's security apparatus, in fact, that you were able to swiftly coordinate taking over for
00:08:37.840them a mere 48 hours later in Phoenix, remember? Yeah, you said, oh, you know, they were tired,
00:08:44.220they were stressed. So you guys came in and your team took over the security apparatus.
00:08:48.060So we can bet, I think, confidently place a bet that you didn't sit there texting nobody for an hour and then moving to simply guess that Charlie was dead. You were just sitting there twiddling your thumbs at all these contacts with people in the inner circle and said, I'm just going to wait 50 minutes and then I'm going to announce the role of Charlie's dead. That defies logic. I don't like when people expect me to be stupid and that expects me to be stupid.
00:09:16.800That's how it works, is that when you know people, when you're in the inner orbit, you utilize those resources to get information.0.99
00:09:24.320You don't stand back and guess with the rest of the world, kind of like how I was texting Andrew Colvett.
00:09:30.500Because why would I stand back and guess Charlie's condition when I know the people directly involved who can provide me with real information?
00:11:11.100You're just sitting around, and you Terrell Farnsworth did, right?
00:11:14.540you decided for an hour to do nothing until it was time to record yourself. You texted nobody
00:11:21.620that you had access to, and then you randomly hopped onto Instagram in selfie mode to declare
00:11:27.800to the world that Charlie was dead prematurely, absent any intel. I don't believe that for one
00:11:34.720second. That story has about as much credibility with me as a three-year-old beheading a cat and
00:11:41.240wearing it on his head. I actually would rank the three-year-old beheading the cat and wearing it on
00:11:48.620his head as more likely. That registers to me as less fiction than the story that you are telling,
00:11:55.220that you're telling me that I'm supposed to transpire on that day. So then I'm forced to
00:12:00.620ask myself, Victor, why would you say it? Why would you say it? It's so easy to instead say,
00:12:05.720well, the reason why I was the first to text it 50 minutes later, which is about the time
00:12:10.800Erica found out. Well, me and my bride, you know, we're close to Erica. That's what you could say.
00:12:15.900We were close to Erica. We were in that inner sanctum and we found out. I don't know, maybe we
00:12:20.460messaged Andrew Colbert. We messaged the security team. That wouldn't be weird, right? Actually,
00:12:25.100Frank Turek and the security team should have been the first to know that Charlie was dead.
00:12:28.820They took him to the hospital. So why instead try to sell to the public that you took a random
00:12:35.460shot in the dark. Now, if I had to guess, I would say it's because you're protecting someone. Who
00:12:41.140is that someone? Maybe you're protecting something. What is that something? The good
00:12:48.240news is that I actually don't have to guess because I'm currently being sued by Brian Harpole,
00:12:54.000head of Charlie's security team. And since you mentioned that you were in communication with
00:13:00.020the security team, so much so that you were able to relieve them of their duty, that's what you
00:13:05.140said elsewhere in the interview, you took over the security apparatus. That's why you were with
00:13:09.220Erica and were able to hug her and Eileen were able to provide such relief to the team. They
00:13:15.140were tired. They were traumatized. I imagine that took some communication. Your communications
00:13:22.060with the security team during those critical hours might be relevant to my lawsuit. Maybe
00:13:27.400Brian or Dan communicated to you that they felt that they didn't do all that they could do. Maybe
00:13:33.020that's why they were traumatized. I don't know. I really don't know, Victor, but I'm going to need
00:13:37.840to find out because I'm being sued for defamation, which is why we sent earlier today Victor Marks
00:13:43.320legal preservation letter. And I hope that we can get to the bottom of what actually transpired
00:13:49.400on that day. And I think Victor might be able to help, right? Because he did in fact say this.
00:13:57.060And then you were among the first to post, you know, obviously you and your wife, actually, maybe it was actually just you in the first two days that went to Erica and Charlie's place to provide her some comfort.
00:17:21.480In the weeks following Charlie's assassination,
00:17:24.520she shared with people that Charlie and her were due to sign updated end-of-life documents
00:17:31.620on September 15th. Let me say that again. Charlie and her had an appointment and a date to sign
00:17:39.560updated end-of-life documents on September 15th, the Monday after he died.
00:17:46.860that is remarkable timing that Charlie was just about to update his his will but then he didn't
00:17:57.240make it to Monday like I said I trust the sources on this one so how are we to interpret that okay
00:18:03.180we have we have two options here neither one of them is particularly a positive outcome for Erica
00:18:07.980I might add option one is that Erica was lying when she shared this information okay perhaps
00:18:15.320It's totally plausible. She said it out of insecurity, feeling that people might wonder why she was taking over his entire company.
00:18:25.900Remarkably, despite having the ability to present that in his will, a corporate will, his personal will to say, I express this is my desire.
00:18:35.840Charlie hadn't particularly documented that desire or else he would have been told that.
00:18:39.220So this would sort of rank similar to her telling Megyn Kelly that Charlie had only just expressed an aspirin three weeks before his untimely death, but he was abandoning his 10-year publicly expressed desire for women to prioritize their home life and their children above climbing the corporate ladder.
00:18:58.100It was, in my opinion, not something that he actually said outside of AI tools, but something that they thought they would have to pretend, he said, to assuage public questions and concern about the seemingly contrary move.
00:19:14.080So that's an option. There's an option that she just said that to someone in the same vein. Oh, you're probably wondering why I'm taking over his whole life here, why I'm going to be on that Air Force board and why I'm going to be giving speeches and going on tour and being the CEO and chairman.
00:19:30.180Well, Charlie, it was crazy timing. Charlie was actually just about to update his end-of-life
00:19:37.980documents to reflect his brand new feminist desires that he had come on very quickly three
00:19:45.500weeks before his untimely passing. Alas, right? That's an option. That's an option. She just lied.
00:19:52.560Option two is that Erica is not lying and that Charlie and her did indeed have an upcoming
00:19:59.540appointment on September 15th to adjust his will and testament. Then the question becomes,
00:20:06.720to what end and why? Okay. You don't just update your will for funsies. That's not how it works.
00:20:14.780If you don't have a will, you just don't do that. It's a lot of paperwork, especially for somebody
00:20:20.440as fly-hying as Charlie Kirk. Especially if you're saying you're going in and you had an
00:20:25.300appointment to do it. This is not a little update that's happening. There are life events,
00:20:30.840right? Every time I have a child, you have to add a kid to your will. Okay, so they already get it.
00:20:38.000We're going to divide this amongst the children. There's one more kid. That gets done via email.
00:20:42.520When you are going in to do an update, there has to be a life event that warrants that sort of a
00:20:48.600change. Example, you hit the lottery. Oh, we hit the lottery. We've got billions. Let's get into
00:20:53.880that office and update our will and testament okay uh maybe you would do it if you completely
00:21:01.280decided to to switch who you were doing your life insurance with for some reason maybe you get a
00:21:06.200better deal i don't know that might be generally speaking another reason that you were going in to
00:21:11.960change your will it signals that there was a major shift in your personal life so the question
00:21:19.020the necessary follow-up question, if Erica is telling the truth, is what was this life-changing
00:21:25.980event? What was the reason that Erica and Charlie were just about to go in on the 15th
00:21:32.680to update his end-of-life documents, okay? There was no new kid, which, again, would not require
00:21:40.020you to go in in most circumstances. It could be different in Arizona. What's the change?
00:21:45.220And lest we forget, he already had, Charlie already had a corporate life insurance policy, which included, I am told, a $10 million payout for Erica and the children.
00:21:58.540He could have listed desires, his corporate will, his personal will, if he wanted Erica to become a CEO and chairman, since everybody is telling the Daily Mail.
00:23:56.260Tamara, I think I am going to be killed.0.50
00:23:59.480I am fully within my right to wonder if he realized that there were a few snakes in his
00:24:07.440garden. Who was going to benefit from his death? Did Charlie actually make the appointment alone?
00:24:18.000Actually, that's a possibility too, right? Were his communications being monitored? He tried to
00:24:22.880carve out an appointment because he was fearful of some death event as he expressed? And did he
00:24:27.880tried to radically then shift learning that he had suspected somebody was taking money,
00:24:32.040siphoning money out of Turning Point USA, that his life was not what he thought it was. He's
00:24:35.800asking, I want Candace back. Why? Why does he want Candace back? Because I told him not to trust any
00:24:41.320of those people. All of the people that the world now sees are the snakes that were in Charlie's
00:24:45.540garden. I saw them first and I warned Charlie about those people. So what happened? Were they
00:24:51.560monitoring? I think they were. I believe, I know everyone had access to everything. Andrew Colvett
00:24:56.800was running his Twitter, Mikey had his laptop. I mean, everybody did have access to Charlie's
00:25:03.480everything because he was too trusting. Did they find out somehow that he was going in to change
00:25:08.120his will? I don't know. But these are questions that ought to be asked when the entire narrative
00:25:12.820that is currently being presented to us makes entirely no sense. And when his wife just seems
00:25:18.400okay with it making no sense. Actually, you know, just a little adjacent story. A little sidebar
00:25:24.720here. Remember that grieving widow we told you about a few months ago? The one in Utah,1.00
00:25:31.600ironically, who was found guilty of murdering her husband out in, but like not instantly.
00:25:36.940Corey Richens was her name. Her husband died of an overdose. She then wrote a children's book
00:25:44.080and went on a public book tour to promote how to cope with loss, the loss of a, with her grieving
00:25:51.180Children. Are You With Me? by Corey D. Richens. The media ate that up. Here is a little quick
00:25:58.080clip to jog your memory about Corey on tour as the grieving widow. Parent, a sibling, or friend
00:26:04.560talking about loss with kids can be a tricky subject. Joining us now is author of Are You With
00:26:10.280Me? Corey Richens to share her three C's to helping kids cope with grief. And Corey, I want0.81
00:26:16.480to start with your story. What happened in your personal life? So my husband passed away
00:26:22.180unexpectedly last year. So it's March 4th was a one-year anniversary for us and he was 39. It
00:26:30.140completely took us all by shock. And we have three little boys, 10, 9, and 6. And you know,
00:26:39.380we kind of my kids and I kind of wrote this book on the different emotions and grieving processes
00:26:47.040that we've experienced last year and you know hoping that it can kind of help other kids you
00:26:52.560know deal with this and kind of you know find happiness some some way or another and to make
00:27:00.280sense and process I'm sure and I'm sure you felt that going through and trying to explain it and
00:27:07.560articulate it for you and your boys. Yes, exactly. Exactly. A month later, she would be arrested
00:27:15.180over a year after her husband had passed away. And I wanted to mention that because changing
00:27:21.000wills, changing life insurance policy was a huge piece of the prosecution's case against her.
00:27:29.100See, her husband, Eric Richens, also her victim, gratefully and successfully managed to transfer his entire estate and business interests into his sister's name covertly a few weeks before he passed away, before he was murdered.
00:27:48.540He was feeling like someone might kill him and that someone was his wife.
00:27:52.180And so he coordinated with his sister and transferred everything into her name.
00:27:55.300His wife had no idea that he had done it shortly before he died.
00:27:58.420and out of fear for figuring out who his wife was.
00:28:03.560Simultaneously, the court heard that Corey herself0.97
00:28:07.700attempted to change the beneficiary of his corporate life insurance
00:28:12.340so that she would receive it 100% of the payout.
00:43:39.060And I apologize to Theo. He knows I love him. And he said that and we laughed and we joked around about it. And I apologize for the way I talked about this. But I felt like I need to explain to other people, too, to get just like what was going on in my mind out.
00:43:58.340and it certainly wasn't like covering for Israel and it certainly wasn't like trying to paint him
00:44:03.880out like he's damaged or treat him like a child. I just want him to be okay. And, um, when you're
00:44:11.260dealing with someone or you, when you have like had experience dealing with someone that what,
00:44:16.740where it winds up going very badly and then you're just left with this feeling like, what could I
00:44:20.780have done? You know, I didn't do a good job of it, you know, especially like the Marcus King thing,
00:44:26.720like that's terrible what I did I didn't mean to I was just trying to you don't think sometime when
00:44:32.320you're in the middle of a podcast you're just having a conversation you don't think about the
00:44:35.580impact that it's going to have that's one of the reasons why you know podcasts are so weird because
00:44:42.080like you're in the middle of trying to be entertaining but you're also just having a
00:44:45.320conversation and uh I f***ed up so because I felt so badly about it I was like there's got to be
00:44:52.520a way to address this where i just express myself and so that's why we've never done this before
00:44:59.960we've never done this kind of a thing after a podcast but deo's very important to me she's an
00:45:06.780awesome person a great friend and one of the most interesting and funny people i've ever met in my
00:45:12.320life and uh i just felt terrible about it and i told them i'd never bring it up publicly again
00:45:18.540But I think it is important to let people know that aspect of it.
00:45:22.060So I'm going to call him and clear this with him and make sure he's cool with me saying this, but I'm pretty sure he's going to be.