00:04:56.220So I did just get a nice crash course.
00:04:58.640It's a very interesting product. You could see why you would have special forces interested in that product. And something that I think jumped at my audience in general when it came to the Fold AR was the idea of a pastor. I know now he says he's not a pastor, but his website certainly did say he was a pastor at some point being interested in this product.
00:05:24.560So I'd just love to hear about how you met Victor Marks.
00:05:30.140Well, late November of 23, my wife was showing me some of the Instagram posts that he was making, and he was demoing compact weapon systems.
00:05:43.660And it was like, it was kind of framed around, you know, Victor's looking for the most versatile compact weapon system that's out there that, and I don't think he announced it as he was looking for a signature series at the time, but nonetheless, she had me message him and he responded right away and invited us up to his house in Colorado Springs.
00:06:06.420so we drove from east texas to colorado springs on uh i think december the 1st and um what year
00:06:14.40023 okay yeah and so we got there and there was a there was quite a few people there
00:06:22.480there's i think there was probably around 20 15 to 20 people there some family some friends some
00:06:28.600security guys and all really nice people everybody's really kind to us and uh we got to meet
00:06:36.360all of them individually and talked to all of them um so we went into the dojo house where
00:06:45.660it's like a karate mat kind of wide open space and i was demonstrating it you know pulling it
00:06:52.420out of a backpack and deploying it and teaching some of the people that were there how to deploy
00:06:58.000it this sounds like a pretty big property it's not that big um i would say i would say
00:07:06.200like four to five acres maybe okay so five acre property okay and but they're doing gun demos just
00:07:13.660in a studio where he does doja did you say yeah yeah so just a studio area at first okay and so
00:07:22.260we we did that for an hour and it was just mostly discussion of course and so we're not deploying it
00:07:29.040and shooting it at that point but um you know the other people that were just people friends not in
00:07:34.500the industry whatsoever just like local friends of theirs i don't know if they were all local
00:07:40.540um but nonetheless everybody treated everybody was really nice okay so um after that portion of it
00:07:50.200we went out to the gun range which was uh just a 25 yard range that said that was at the back of
00:07:57.340the property and it had like tinder framing around it and it's kind of dug into the ground
00:08:04.800so they got to shoot right there and deploy and and uh so everybody got their rounds and
00:08:13.280and we got pictures and uh my wife got to shoot the gun and with victor and she's excited about
00:08:20.920that got some pictures and anyways i you know i kind of stay back like i don't put myself in the
00:08:27.620middle of everything and so i show everybody what to do make sure everybody's safe we got
00:08:32.440you've got uh security type former military people there everybody knows i shoot a gun and
00:08:39.680i'm just kind of sitting back at my vehicle which is parked at the back and and victor comes up to
00:08:46.140me it's like first thing he said was you know not the first thing of the whole meeting but first
00:08:51.720first thing he said in this moment was you know I don't really meet too many people that are at
00:08:58.780the pinnacle of their industry and to me I don't take overt compliments very well um that was
00:09:10.820really the first time that anybody significant had said anything like that to me because I'm
00:09:16.620still very small company almost invisible in the industry even though I'm well known in the
00:09:23.100in the industry but in the general marketplace kind of invisible and so I when I heard that I
00:09:32.060was like okay I need somebody gets it like I'm not trying to get a badge of honor here but
00:09:39.180that was that was nice after 18 or 17 years of work at that point wow and uh so he said well
00:09:51.920you know i've got some signature series that i'm looking at with uh he named off a few different
00:09:59.220companies and you know bigger companies like yeah but this one's the only one that makes sense
00:10:05.160and for me i already know what my weapon system is so validation doesn't really mean anything to
00:10:16.480me from other people but um it was again a reaffirmation that somebody gets it and we had
00:10:26.660already had conversations you know back at the at the doja house whatever you call that um
00:10:33.320about our mission with going on the backs of school resource officers and and uh well it
00:10:40.680wasn't our mission at that point in time but it was brought up as a topic and and we had sold
00:10:46.740quite a few to school resource officers but again it wasn't it wasn't so much
00:10:54.140you know our mission wasn't established until we left the marxist and i'll walk you through that so
00:11:03.760when we walked in so we get done with the shooting at the range and we've already at
00:11:12.460this point we've been there for like four or five hours so they invite us into their house
00:11:18.860and it's uh it's getting dusk i suppose um and you know victor opens the door and my wife
00:11:30.500goes in and as he's going in he says you know everybody has been talking and we've noticed too
00:11:38.040me and eileen have noticed that you know you and your wife just have a like a unique connection
00:11:44.520that is unusual i like you're finishing each other's sentences you're talking to multiple
00:11:53.940people and like automatically know where the other one left off and you fill in the gap
00:12:00.300and and the way you look at each other and you know just that was normal for us like we were
00:12:07.640already three years in the relationship and we we had a little thing where we called you know
00:12:13.420twin flames and and uh you know it was natural to us and so we had this other thing you know 11 11
00:12:22.220and not into all the angel numbers but you know that was our thing our our unique connection and
00:12:28.240you know he opens the door and he's and he's and he says you know i feel the hand of god on y'all
00:12:36.920or God's favor I feel God's favor on y'all and you're about you know he's telling me that
00:12:44.260you're about to come into an abundance as we're walking into the house
00:12:50.720and so you know I haven't worked in on this for so long up to that point there's been a lot of
00:12:58.440instances where people have told me like oh this is about to take off you're about to make all this
00:13:04.320money and get all this attention so many times over the years and so that was one of those moments
00:13:13.160where inside it didn't sit well with me during that but on the outside it was like okay maybe
00:13:24.480this is it because he already understands like that's already clicked so that started off the
00:13:32.740entry to the house we go in we sit down in the living room on the couch and um we're just having
00:13:39.820casual conversation and talking about the history of of what i've been through to make it this far
00:13:47.360and you know it's just getting deeper and deeper and you know they ask us about well first they're
00:13:53.800you know this is when they make the comment about the connection you know we're sitting
00:13:57.460there on the couch makes the comment about me and my wife's connection and says well aren't y'all
00:14:03.340married well y'all first it's are y'all believers well yeah yeah we are believers you know I got
00:14:11.460another coincidence you know I accepted Christ when I was 16 and so did she and so
00:14:19.180answer that question and and then it was then it was why aren't y'all married like well i've been
00:14:30.620married a couple times before or two and and just wasn't a priority you know we're we get along
00:14:39.000great and i don't want marriage to ruin that right but what we're not thinking scripturally
00:14:46.540about it and so this led into and you know this is hours worth of conversation and um you know
00:14:56.380this led into the victor explaining what a retooling prayer is and i had never heard that
00:15:03.280term before and i grew up in church um but i wasn't i wasn't heavily rooted in scripture
00:15:11.260at that point in time you know we're talking December 23 um so it didn't it didn't click with
00:15:20.900me that that that was a you know something to watch out for I'm just you know I'm excited we're
00:15:28.380here you know this seems like it would it might be what I've been working for all this time and
00:15:35.880all the stress and the lawsuits and the marriages and finally somebody understands so you know hey
00:15:42.540let's do a ritual in prayer and so he kind of explains it and and he's asking eileen a lot of
00:15:49.840questions about the process so it to me it was like well why does he have to ask her
00:15:58.280how it goes you know from component to component of how this ritual in prayer goes but
00:16:04.880again i just let it slide and and so we agree and uh it would start off with with me and this
00:16:15.040this whole process i think lasted maybe 15 minutes each when you say it started with me
00:16:23.340and you also use the word ritual uh what do you mean by that
00:16:27.560um well the retooling prayer he was going to do it on me first okay and then and then one by one
00:16:37.840and he's going to retool what a good question yeah okay we'll figure that out we'll figure that out
00:16:45.200yeah so and of course i didn't memorize the whole process but recently i looked back on uh there was
00:16:54.240a podcast that they did in 21 him and eileen where it described the process you know i kind of forgot
00:17:01.360what the process was after this thing but i looked back recently and you know it all started to come
00:17:06.920back it's like oh yeah he did exactly that and uh transcribed it out it was a podcast verbal podcast
00:17:14.080but i had it transcribed out and got to look through it in detail you know piece by piece
00:17:19.620or just a few weeks ago actually and um so as i was reading through it it was
00:17:26.840oh yeah he did that he did that he did that and so the first part was an opening prayer and i
00:17:34.440didn't memorize the whole opening prayer it's like five or six sentences long you know 30 seconds
00:17:40.120worth of opening prayer and it's using name of jesus and uh seem seem like a fairly straightforward
00:17:49.600forward prayer except and again i didn't notice all this stuff back then but except the whole
00:17:56.640circle of judgment so there's an opening prayer and it establishes a circle of judgment
00:18:02.800in the room and um there's some other components to it but and who who is in the circle of judgment
00:18:13.360sorry to it was it was just an imaginary bubble sphere so to so to speak that was just the
00:18:21.040terminology so he's kind of setting up this imaginary perimeter yeah around around the
00:18:25.400whole room like all of us okay and i mean in within the circle no one is judged or we will
00:18:31.000be doing some judging that's what i mean that's my question like you can tell me everything and
00:18:37.980no one's judging, or like we are going to enter in some judgments?
00:18:42.000I think it was, well, looking back on the transcript.
00:20:34.980and uh that's would be my first question if someone's like i'm gonna like get these demons
00:20:39.820that are attached to you off of you might be like oh are you a priest are you an exorcist are you
00:20:44.080did he say to you i am a a pastor a pastor okay so he's taken that since just you know publicly
00:20:50.480he's no longer a pastor but he definitively did we checked how on his website that he was a pastor
00:20:55.320well i think um i guess i won't represent this as something that i remember him saying but
00:21:03.240I think he believes that he's anointed by God as some type of apostle.
00:21:10.440So in any case, this attached, assigned demon is going to get judged in this circle of judgment.
00:21:23.660And so he asked, he asked the subject, me, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to ask you a series of questions and you're just going to respond.
00:21:37.740Whatever the first thing that comes to your head, just, just say it. Doesn't matter what it is. Don't think about it. Relax. Just say whatever the first thing that comes to your mind.
00:21:48.960And so he asked, he's commanding the demons.
00:21:56.500And he asked, you know, what demon, what is, well, back up.
00:22:04.160He asked how many demons are assigned.
00:29:10.360right also not i i have the honor of sitting in this chair and i can like hear what's happening
00:29:17.520with what i just know about psychology and stuff and you are telling him your deepest fears that's
00:29:24.500it like there's nothing happening other than we're all self-conscious we constantly on our head are
00:29:30.600are saying things oh this is not right you know we're in our normal capacity we're our own worst
00:29:36.380critics and he's just commanded out of you and now now he knows your weak spots yep
00:29:41.120now he knows he and you at the end of that because you're you're doing this and these
00:29:48.720people are strangers um you've instantly established an emotional connection with
00:29:54.000these people because you shared with them something that you would not just share to
00:29:57.900a person that you met right so he is um i would almost say he's uh he's trained in that i don't
00:30:07.800think he's uh being trained by a church in that i'll tell you that right oh i know now because
00:30:15.740in just how the emotion of hearing that like and i instantly know this is like these are your
00:30:21.680deepest fears that's it like we all have them and you're talking about your kids you're talking
00:30:25.720about this this woman love me like i'm going into i think you said this is your third relationship
00:30:30.200right that's gonna obviously be a fear um and he just now he's got the key
00:30:37.340maybe he was summoning demons maybe there was somebody in there that might have been a
00:30:46.820a little possessed or attached and i don't think it was you but that's
00:30:50.200my opinion it's my podcast i can say my opinion whenever i want i can
00:30:53.880Yes, ma'am. So, you know, there was one more, the next name was Thomas, and I don't remember what the answers, you know, the three lies or the answers were for that one.
00:31:10.600but then the thing about it was it was like a compounding effect so every time
00:31:18.540this is where it got really interesting every time you would
00:31:23.980get done with a demon he would re-ask the question of now how many demons now you know each time
00:31:33.700and so after that second one Thomas I said zero we're done um no matter what number popped into
00:31:42.980my head it was zero uh so it was getting kind of weird at that point I wanted it over with but uh
00:31:50.400moved on to my wife and I'll just leave that one alone but um same process same thing yeah and
00:32:30.580But after this whole process, so him and Eileen leave the room and, you know, we've, we've talked about my, my brief story, you know, I, I dove deeper than I ever have with anybody else already.
00:32:49.880but they left the room and came back and told me about a dream revision and i don't remember
00:32:58.760which one it was but it was a dream revision that eileen had the night before
00:33:02.760and they were both telling the story kind of him telling the piece and then her telling the piece
00:33:09.860And it was that Eileen had this dream or vision that this was going to be related to a mission to protect kids.
00:33:28.120And that it's, you know, just so coincidental, well, not coincidental at all, but God ordained that we met.
00:37:47.460You know, I was there when Charlie and her met and it's this, you know, godly, everything is godly. It's all about this is what God wants and this is like, you know, and how easily Charlie fell for that and believed that, okay, yeah, this woman is just so godly and speaking to her exes as I did.
00:38:10.040And one of them telling me that she would say she had like a vision or a dream of someone that he was close to after he had opened up that this person was close to him in his life, particularly this ex-boyfriend speaking about his grandfather.
00:38:21.780And then she'd say that, oh, your grandfather visited me in a dream.
00:38:24.640So it's, again, establishing that connection. There's a pattern here that I'm recognizing. And I think it's, like I said, been one of the major connecting themes and just kind of looking into the story of sort of what changed at Turning Point USA and the direction that it went into.
00:38:41.700um i don't want to get ahead of myself there um so you've done this you've established this
00:38:49.700connection you do believe to some degree that it must be godly you've now handed them the keys
00:38:55.000to your deepest insecurities right about yourself and i'm sure it felt in equal parts like cathartic
00:39:04.560right getting that out you don't seem like the kind of person who runs up and talks a lot to
00:39:09.300people and says hey let me tell you my deepest darkest secrets right um what's that i'm pretty
00:39:16.180open to people that i feel see me um but in general no i'm pretty standoffy right
00:39:28.440so now the four of you are you know in this
00:39:36.340god vision right together i'm obviously saying that tongue-in-cheek what happens next
00:39:44.840so we go home uh well you know i believe we had a hotel that we were staying in but we left the
00:39:53.200next day and um so this was again early december so i get to work on the signature series
00:40:03.500the victor marks signature series we run through a bunch of ideas on color schemes and features
00:40:11.320you know what suppressor what backpack you know all these
00:40:15.360how how is this rifle going to be presented it's got to be nice
00:40:20.680and so we we came up with something and it it was it was a pretty cool rifle but um i had it ready
00:40:28.780for shot show the shot show is the largest gun show in the in the country probably the world but
00:40:37.000in the country annual it happens in vegas every year and um sometimes late january i think
00:40:45.260sometimes it happened in some years it happens late february but this year this year of 24
00:40:51.860in january it happened in late january so we're communicating back and forth and you know this
00:41:01.780the color scheme and all the accessories have been picked and we built a few units to be able
00:41:07.740to present be able to give him a couple at the show and um you know he had his ffl to federal
00:41:17.360firearms license and so he transferred a couple to him at the show and had a few for um for our
00:41:26.960display in our booth and uh yeah well backing up just a little bit i asked him well i told him that
00:41:37.120And, you know, I'm going to ask my then-girlfriend to marry me and in text before the show, like, what, maybe five days before the show.
00:41:54.080And I remember if he pro-offered it or if I asked him, I think I asked him, you know, hey, you're going to be there, you're a pastor, you know, let's get married.
00:42:07.12030 minute ceremony we'll be in and out quick he's like oh yeah yeah we'll do that and uh so
00:42:14.800i had gotten a ring and it actually it traveled through five different four different continents
00:42:26.900and arrived at our airbnb in vegas uh the the night of the or the day the day of the wedding
00:42:37.120and uh i was just dressed in like jeans and my work boots and just a button-up shirt and she
00:42:46.140had a had a pretty cheap easy dress that you got look it looked beautiful but
00:42:53.820uh we we just like this was a rush job0.88
00:42:57.100and i actually hadn't even asked her to marry me like oops wait so the day of
00:43:05.540the day of I asked her we were just walking down the hallway0.79
00:43:09.000and uh but you know by the way she was my CEO
00:43:13.960of the company and she had been working there for
00:43:17.720at least two years by that point in time and1.00
00:51:56.120we paid for them to build them up front,
00:51:59.620and, you know, we're not making a lot of guns every year anyway,
00:52:02.920so funding that out-of-pocket is kind of a hit,
00:52:07.520but we did it, and he did send a check to us,
00:52:13.960and we got the guns to the high school or the ISD.
00:52:21.240and they loved them we got some photo ops victor didn't come for that but we really wanted him to
00:52:31.240and so that was we delivered those in in the summer of 24 and um
00:52:39.560Um, that was the only, that was the only one that Victor ATP purchased.
00:52:50.040You know, my wife had created this fairly long list of schools and they would fill out a template, you know, we want the guns, we will use them and we don't have a budget for them.
00:53:04.820and or were located in an area where there's not a quick access to first responders.
00:53:14.380And if they checked the boxes off and put it on their letterhead,
00:53:18.360and we would take it in and have it ready for ATP.
00:53:24.860And yeah, just never, after summer of 24, there was no attempts for...
00:55:31.240And the conversation is, we want, I want to, and this is with me and him privately, you know, that's where, you know, the meat of the conversations always come in.
00:55:47.420He wants to blow the head off of somebody that sticks their head up over the fence around this orphanage in Haiti.
00:55:56.060And they have a tower in the middle of it, like some kind of watchtower.0.96
00:56:01.240because apparently in the middle of the orphanage yeah the orphanage okay and you know he's saying
00:56:09.960that people are jumping over the fence climbing over and trying to rob or or whatever the orphanage
00:56:18.920and so you know tell him yeah i'm not gonna leave it here if that's what you're doing
00:56:29.560and you know we had a conversation before about shooting watermelons a previous conversation
00:56:39.780about shooting watermelons at a thousand yards but when i got there you know conversation shifted
00:56:46.360now we're in person and he wants to talk about shooting people shooting people yeah and i just
00:56:54.740want to back this up when he's initially because we do have that message and we're going to show
00:57:00.020that message when you guys were initially having that conversation about shooting watermelons like
00:57:05.540did you think he was talking about watermelons or do you think it could be code because you kind
00:57:09.400of know him a little bit now look and he's like hey i'm just wondering if we could or were you
00:57:12.720thinking like no he just really means like if we were to test it with the watermelon like
00:57:16.120what was your thought process when you were first having the conversation via text about
00:57:20.540shooting watermelons from 1,000 yards.
00:57:23.740Did you think that there might have been some innuendo
01:04:51.820and we went to the shop and toured the shop
01:04:57.280And, um, you know, during that tour, pretty early on, you know, he was there for probably four, four-ish hours.
01:05:11.000And, you know, when we got alone on the shop floor and between the machines, he's like, hey, you know, I still got this Haiti stuff going on and I need 50 guns to take and drop off in Haiti.0.75
01:05:33.100And I said, well, you know, that's an embargo country.
01:05:38.280So, I mean, I've exported guns by this point to many different countries, and I know the process, and it's not easy every time, any time, really.
01:05:52.260And I just knew that Haiti wasn't on that list, on the approved export list.
01:05:57.260So I was like, nah, I can't do that one because like 80s, like the last place they're going to let me export guns, probably the last place.
01:06:11.260And so I said, you know, I suggest you don't do that with any other firearms either.
01:06:17.640Just I'm assuming that he just doesn't know the export laws.
01:06:54.840How are you getting on these missions? Who are you working for? Did he ever give you that context or just, okay, so that might have been why I didn't really flag you that he was going to Haiti because it was kind of a part of something that you knew he had done or he says he has done in many other countries.
01:07:07.820yeah and then you know there was already the visit before that there was haiti discussions
01:07:13.400and told me about the orphanage told me about semi-barbecue and the um you know the gang
01:07:19.620violence it was around so i kind of knew the context already it's just like okay well you're
01:07:26.820i've already told you no once and then you're bringing me something that's even
01:07:34.220And I suppose if you have whatever license or approval, State Department, or whatever kind of approval it is where you can go as a private citizen with your own gun and get out, do your thing, and keep your gun on you, I suppose that that's a legal thing.
01:07:57.580I would have to research that, but it seems to be that that's a thing that is done commonly.
01:08:04.220Um, but leaving guns, I know that you can't do that.
01:08:32.540Um, so I also told them that, um, you know, if you, if you place an order for 50 guns with my wife next week, I'm not, I can't sell you the guns because I already know now.
01:08:53.780So, like, let's not talk about this anymore.
01:10:40.920And I would drive up there again, and it was by myself.
01:10:45.460The context around this meeting was, like I said, multifaceted.
01:10:50.880it was issues between me and my spouse it was we were talking about biblical things
01:11:00.160relationship I mean he was he was mentoring me what I viewed to be mentoring at the time
01:11:09.080you know during this whole relationship and things are starting to pile up and in April you know so
01:11:16.040Trump got elected in November of 24, and in the gun industry, we have what's called the Trump slump.
01:11:29.560Anytime a Republican is elected, then the demand for firearms goes down, so things get pretty tough.
01:11:38.740You have to pivot as a manufacturer to survive in that environment.
01:11:43.060and we didn't have the resources to pivot and it was it was getting tough um
01:11:50.780yeah actually i forget you know we went to shot show again in january of 25
01:11:55.960and uh that that could have possibly been a february year but i believe it was january 25
01:12:04.860And, you know, so it was our anniversary, you know, it was pretty rough because sales were already going down and just to be honest, I was struggling with substance abuse with THC.
01:24:13.460after having studied scripture as much as i have since this time period forward
01:24:21.800um i'm not suicidal put that on the record and i will not kill myself and i'm not having
01:24:33.280suicidal thoughts so clear that you were having a low moment yep yeah and looking for a friend
01:24:40.900or a spiritual director yeah a lot going on you know and i'm off substances you know i was able to
01:24:50.020I did get off a month before, so in February I stopped THC in February of 25, so that's a year and a few months ago, and it took a while to detox from that.
01:25:35.640Got rid of the THC in February-ish, but withdrawals are starting, leading up to April, and I'm still, you know, I'm having issues during this withdrawal cycle, and I tell Victor that, you know, I'm separating from my wife.
01:26:01.260Financial issues, marital issues kind of tends to go hand in hand.
01:26:05.960I think it's the number one reason for divorce.
01:29:31.980I tapped on Victor's chest where it was, and he's like, yeah, we just got these in, and I'm breaking them in, and I was like, oh, cool, it's flexible, and he kind of shakes it around, and he's like, yeah, this thing is a little bit stiff right now, but it's a really nice vest.
02:00:24.320Actually, what happened was I actually lost that gun at a gas station because somebody took it from me.
02:00:29.460i called the police and then he gives you the report number after you hang up the phone
02:00:36.360yeah i sent it in a text message okay and we can show that this this text message that you received
02:00:43.120of the report number uh he you feel confident when you're talking to him that he's telling
02:00:49.360you the truth i think you told me that you felt like yeah i felt like he was telling the truth
02:00:54.320Okay. I had I will say I had trouble with the story. I've already expressed that to my audiences just because I go off of vibes sometimes. And for me, when I heard the story of like a police officer, you know, calling the police, that's a police officers tend to be embarrassed if they get something taken from them.
02:01:15.360It's like, we're the police officers are supposed to stop the crime. And then it happens to us and they get all proud. And I'm going to hunt this guy and kick down. You know, they kind of are excessive when it happens to them or someone that they love or in their immediate circle. Even if you cut off a police officer, suddenly they're like giving you the worst ticket ever. You know, it's like I'm a police officer and you violate the laws.
02:01:35.640i found it even more unusual and again i'm speculating here but i just am familiar with
02:01:43.260midland's incredibly wealthy area because of the oil um and i thought it was very strange
02:01:50.100that a gas station wouldn't have cameras and you had asked him about that and i what was the reason
02:01:57.760he told that he didn't they the cameras weren't facing or they didn't have footage what was the
02:02:02.620Yeah, I think it did have cameras and he did. He told me that he did go in and check, but they couldn't see the visual of it, I guess, at the angle the vehicle was parked or wherever it was parked at. But it didn't tell me too much about that.
02:02:18.600Yeah, I struggled with that a little bit. I'm going to be honest. It's a gas station, wealthy area. I just felt that would not be too likely. And then also just a lot of unlikely things that happened there.
02:02:32.820so but i did say i have not uh had the time yet to reach out which i'm going to do
02:02:37.740to hear that story there's something about it that just instantly strikes me as very
02:02:44.280odd um for whatever reason that strikes me as very odd and i don't know this i'll ask you the
02:02:50.960question in that typical scenario shouldn't they have done the trace on him first so they do the
02:02:58.260trace on the manufacturer, then it went to a gun store.
02:03:25.180so that's something that is could definitely be chased down okay I'm definitely gonna take a look
02:03:31.280into that I do find that to be as you did this for the same reasons just like oh that's kind of
02:03:36.540precise timing and it also is sort of you know the timeline that I don't have just a lot going
02:03:44.780on at that in that timeline in 2024 so we'll see um but that is that definitely was of interest to
02:03:50.780me of just a lot of planes were coming out of Texas that day in general, I think is why it kind
02:03:55.800of also flagged me as weird as just looking into the Charlie Kirk assassination and things of that
02:04:01.700nature. And then kind of this weird connection with Victor's like trying to get these guns from
02:04:07.620you in that time frame for different things. And he's giving you the Haiti spiel. But now I'm in
02:04:13.860contact with someone from Haiti who knows Victor Marx, and it's just getting even more interesting.
02:04:19.500I don't think anybody really knows Victor Marks.
02:04:21.620I was, that person shared with me messages.
02:04:23.580I was surprised to learn that his backstory about being abused by his dad, his dad being named Karl Marx, I guess it was right there, but I didn't know that Karl Marx was Jewish.
02:04:32.720This Karl Marx's dad, that was something that came across in text messages that were given to me.0.66
02:04:39.820That he's quite defensive about Israel, is what I would say.0.76
02:04:55.900who was his liaison to Jimmy Barbecue in Haiti.
02:05:01.020And similarly, this person kind of did some one-off comment about Israel,
02:05:06.280and he met a different Victor Marx, is what I would say,
02:05:10.640who was like, what if I told you my dad's Jewish?
02:05:15.060and don't ever say that ever again so there's a lot that's compelling to me and something that
02:05:23.100i hadn't shared before with my audiences is that he was uh charlie kirk stopped speaking to victor
02:05:28.920marks entirely their relationship i mean like unfollowed each other i've spoken to several
02:05:34.520people about this they didn't know what the falling out was about but there was a very big
02:05:40.740falling out between charlie and victor marx and you know what time frame uh well it all had to
02:05:47.560happen in the same season because victor marx was not in it i don't know the time frame i will find
02:05:53.420out and he had completely stopped talking to him they had stopped following each other and i'm
02:05:57.820wondering you know how then his wife was so close to eileen and victor that that's one of the first
02:06:06.100people that she wants to hug and connect with after the assassination. And he also happened
02:06:13.080to be the first person that we can find that announced that Charlie Kirk was dead and then
02:06:19.120removed that video. I just find that to be really interesting. And hopefully we will get some
02:06:26.200answers from Victor Marks about what his falling out was with Charlie Kirk, if that was ever
02:06:30.800patched out actually i don't know if it was um his relationship with erica makes me uncomfortable
02:06:37.340given the fact that i had already arrived at a question mark about the egyptian planes
02:06:43.340my thesis was that they were trafficking weapons um based off of the pattern over three years
02:06:50.060beginning in the same time frame that you're discussing in 2023 and
02:06:55.060she happens to have a proximity to a lot of pastors that have interesting pasts and
02:07:03.340presents and always a finger on trafficking charities. And I find that not to be coincidental.
02:07:12.140I don't find that to be coincidental. And I just don't think it's possible. I don't think it's
02:07:18.640possible that everybody can be doing charity in the same way for orphanages and wanting to stop
02:07:23.580human trafficking and the Jimmy barbecue story was interesting because of also Tim Ballard
02:07:29.960and Operation Underground I don't know if you're familiar with them a little bit yeah I um had
02:07:38.340interviewed him had heard the story totally fell for the story that he was helping these victims
02:07:44.280and then he arrived in a massive scandal where people were saying no that's not actually what
02:07:48.000he was doing overseas. And so it's another piece that I need to put together. But there just sort
02:07:54.680of seems to be a lot of these connecting themes with, you know, my heart's in the right place.
02:08:03.320I'm doing charity. I'm doing this. This is the theme of the charity. I'm protecting orphanages.
02:08:07.920And I think that there potentially could be more here. And I think the biggest theme and the one
02:08:16.800that's the most upsetting in listening to your story. The current that runs through all of this
02:08:22.120is this faux faith. And it feels like the entire world was given this retooling prayer,
02:08:31.200so to speak, after Charlie died. I feel like we went through that, but publicly, where suddenly
02:08:38.520we're being told, this is all God ordained, and this is who you have to follow, and this is who
02:08:43.380you need to listen to and if you question this you've got demons on you and you it this is i
02:08:49.620think um what was so compelling about your story because it was a a microcosm of what we have seen
02:08:56.440happen since charlie um passed away and we have this victor marx connection and i find the manner
02:09:05.460in which he dealt with you to be sort of the manner in which turning point the stage everything
02:09:12.940They have dealt with us publicly like this is what God has ordained and nobody should question this. And yet we all feel the darkness. Everyone, collectively, the world feels a darkness there outside of the little bubble of the mainstream media that's trying to conduct the retooling prayer on us.
02:09:29.640um yeah i want to say that i want to say that there is you are what you perceived
02:09:36.240in february april that faith is being manipulated and it is not for light forces it is for dark
02:09:45.040forces people are going to feel that and and i i felt so seen when i was reading your story
02:09:53.720and realizing what we're actually looking at here is dark psychiatry this is this is dark
02:09:58.100it's psychiatry it's manipulative you had um used the term when we were discussing which i think
02:10:05.580many people are familiar with which is darvo you want to talk about what darvo is in case they're
02:10:10.360not well yeah um this is something i just learned over the past few days is a darvo
02:10:18.020So, if I can remember properly, it stands for deny, attack, reverse, victim.
02:10:40.200And then he reverses the roles of victim and accuser.
02:10:45.460And when I say that we are going through this on a large scale, and it was exactly how I just my experience with Turning Point after. When you walked in tonight, I was on the phone with actually the president of the University of Georgia. And she and this is for the sorry for the Turning Point USA chapter. And there had just been this situation where Erica wasn't going because the crowd size and she said that was it. It was it was the crowd size.
02:11:13.320we told them that it wasn't going to be a big crowd we were concerned the entire time we had
02:11:17.940communicated this to them that people didn't want to go conservatives didn't want to go
02:11:21.660because they don't like erica and they told us to keep going keep going and then erica abandons
02:11:27.780that commitment in the last moment and they get on stage and they blame the world like you know
02:11:32.840it's like you didn't show up for your commitment and now you're telling the world that she had
02:11:36.620death attacks or like you know death threats and that wasn't true and and so the students are
02:11:41.340resigning. She's resigning her post. And she said, I examine the same psychological tactics.
02:11:49.400There needs to be a broader discussion about that. There just needs to be a broader discussion
02:11:52.760about that. And so there is sort of this nucleus. And I shouldn't even call it nucleus. This is so
02:12:00.700unhealthy. There's a really unhealthy cell here that's building with faith. It's not really faith.
02:12:06.380it's a cult i think it's actually a cult in practice is what he was doing that i think there
02:12:11.660was a father if you actually spoke to a priest about everything that happened i was watching
02:12:17.400an interview with father ripperger i don't know if you got to see that i did yeah incredible it
02:12:22.540was incredible to hear him speak about some of those things i found it to be incredible and i
02:12:26.020haven't even finished it um i want to pivot to this weapon story though because again talking
02:12:32.760about everyone in erica's orbit i had just covered that her mother similarly was trying to buy or get
02:12:39.460involved get the patent i should say for uh another gun company unique gun company which could hold
02:12:46.940uh different bullet types in each chamber i know i'm terrible at speaking about guns you're smirking
02:12:52.720here what what do we get the cylinder yeah haha different rifling in each in each cylinder which
02:12:57.940is super unique and when i said that to you upstairs like that's very interesting your gun
02:13:04.340can fold this gun would be the first to do this and laurie was having this meeting it ended up
02:13:11.360not panning out but her erica showed up and they were interested in this in this company or this
02:13:16.640patent rather it wasn't actually made and i thought what is it what do you think it is about these
02:13:21.200super unique guns that they're interested in and i would like to hear your perspective
02:13:25.920and to talk about september 10th because i think if there was a shot fired could it have been
02:13:32.880closer could somebody have had it in their backpack again we're surmising here we are
02:13:36.420totally not saying this is how it went down but it certainly makes for a compelling conversation
02:13:41.040yeah so so that uh i got to see a video rendition of what the product that you're talking about it
02:13:50.140looks like a revolver and it seemed to have multiple chambers um that each have different
02:13:58.020calibers built into it and uh typically that would be like a handgun style firearm but
02:14:07.000um you know you just extend the the cylinder so to speak out further and put a stock on it and
02:14:15.400whatnot and then it could be configured as some kind of shoulder fired weapon and in theory you
02:14:21.980could have i don't know up to 10 or 15 or more uh different calibers in it and so i've never seen
02:14:32.400that product in the marketplace i suppose it didn't hasn't been manufactured yet no commercialization
02:14:37.900there as far as the patent goes i'm not i've never seen it before but um he did secure the patent
02:17:41.920you unfold it, latch it, take your shot,
02:17:45.360You fold it, pop the pin, take that barrel system off, grab the other barrel system that's in the backpack, connect it to the receiver set, throw the other barrel, the freshly shot barrel system, back in the backpack or wrapped around a towel.
02:18:37.960If you're wanting to get away with the assassination, then you shoot a bullet out of one system, one barrel system, and then you swap it over to another, and your bullet profile doesn't match.
02:18:53.280As long as you get one of those components out of the mix, then you're effectively scot-free.
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02:28:27.700I think they were never planning on showing stuff that much.
02:28:29.600And even still, if the jacket did separate quickly and didn't just mushroom in and stay intact, depending on the bullet design,
02:28:41.320even if it did separate those pieces after they separate their their some of them are gonna go
02:28:50.300out and exit even if one of them can hit bone and then travel back down like they said yeah
02:28:57.420possible but the other piece is going to shoot out somewhere yeah and it just didn't at all yeah
02:29:03.740So I would say this, with the .300 blackout up on an inclined roof angle, a subsonic .300 blackout round, another interesting thing to think about.
02:29:19.920Typical gun ranges, you're going to zero your rifle at either 100 yards or 25 yards.
02:29:28.100Doesn't have to be the case, but that's typically what you do with your scope.
02:29:33.740and so let's say you zero it at 100 yards well when you're now at 150 yards your bullet's going
02:29:44.320to drop if you're at 100 yards it's going to hit right on where you're aiming if you've done your
02:29:50.340job and zeroed it but if you're at 100 yards it's going to drop it's a subsonic ground it
02:29:56.900it may drop 10 to 12 inches, maybe 8 inches, maybe 14 inches.
02:30:04.620So it's going to drop, adding that extra 50 yards.
02:31:41.320I certainly have, as I've said, I'm happy to have Victor on this podcast and to allow him to tell more about his life story, which I think many people have found parts to be unbelievable.0.98
02:31:55.700I do think, I think he's a crazy person.0.94
02:35:26.520And so with, I mean, did you see what Trump read today in the Bible?
02:35:34.480I have not seen that yet. I've been working all day.
02:35:36.840Yeah. So it's a call, a national call for repentance. And, you know, when you look at what was read today, you combine it with the story of Solomon, which that's where this chapter, this set of verses is coming from. They're preparing to build the third temple. And so just look into that.
02:36:03.000Yeah, I've been looking into Freemasonry and their obsession with Solomon's temple, Solomon's ring. That is what the flag of Israel is. I will look into that. I did not see it, so I will say that.
02:36:22.560You can see what's guiding Trump is sort of this dark theology right now, and he's not really concerned about anything other than something that he thinks is a higher calling, I think.
02:36:34.900That's what it feels like to all of us, where it doesn't seem like he cares about what happens to us one way or the other.
02:36:40.180There's something higher that he's serving.
02:36:42.800I don't think it's higher, to be clear.