Candace Owens - Victor Marx： The Man Who Weaponized Faith. ｜ Candace Ep 329

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00:00:30.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, get locked in.

00:00:32.720 I have a good one for you.

00:00:33.820 I told you about this yesterday.

00:00:35.920 There's a lot to unpack,

00:00:38.040 and I think it could provide a lot of answers

00:00:41.120 to some lingering questions that we have.

00:00:43.580 I am very honored to welcome Corby Hall,

00:00:47.880 The Candace Owens Show.

00:00:50.860 Well, all righty then.

00:00:55.680 That's how you do it.

00:00:56.980 If you don't take the glasses off,

00:00:58.840 then no one's gonna no one's gonna believe you people the glasses so that people know you mean

00:01:03.560 business aren't we waiting on somebody no we are not waiting anybody he's not coming victor does

00:01:09.420 not want to sit across from you which i thought victor marks it would be a good idea to have you

00:01:13.640 all here because i can't contest anything he says i am not the fold ar uh company and i did not have

00:01:21.880 these conversations with him uh but it's okay because i'm actually happy to have just you i do

00:01:27.580 think that if he was here, he would dominate the conversation. Everything that I learned about

00:01:32.200 Viktor Marks, I learned against my will. I want my audience, I want to be very upfront about where

00:01:37.660 I'm at on this conversation, why I was so drawn to your story, and why I believe they will be so

00:01:42.880 drawn to your story. I think we are at a very interesting place in America where we know we

00:01:50.000 are being sort of abused by the media. We know that they're lying to us about everything. There's,

00:01:58.160 for me, the world before Charlie Kirk died and the world after Charlie Kirk died. And it seems

00:02:02.500 like there's been an increase in this sort of, I don't know, a tactic to make us think that we're

00:02:10.200 the crazy ones when nothing is making sense. And when I read your story and learned about Victor

00:02:18.720 marks. There were so many themes that were coming up here. This idea of the pastor, this idea of

00:02:25.320 you can't question this because the Lord has willed this. This is what we're all feeling right

00:02:30.260 now. Like faith has been used to manipulate the masses and actually to maybe cover up for evil.

00:02:36.640 So I want you to know that when we have this conversation, I will interject and put my opinion.

00:02:40.300 As always, it does not need to become your opinion. Feel free to say, Candice, I don't

00:02:44.120 believe that. That sounds crazy. That could be a conspiracy. Or say, I plead the fifth. You could

00:02:50.320 just say that you want to stay mum. Yeah, sure. But I wanted to give you a chance because I know

00:02:54.740 that Victor Marks has a following. You do not. And he has been instantly right out of the gate

00:02:59.520 saying that you are a crazy person, which is one of their favorite tactics. Everybody who disagrees 0.99

00:03:05.160 with me is an insane person. So who actually are you, Corby Hall? Well, I own a company called 0.88

00:03:12.800 full AR. I've got the patent on the most compact, uh, AR-15 in the world. And our mission is school

00:03:21.200 resource officers. And, uh, so it's, it's been a long journey. This isn't something that just

00:03:26.960 popped up overnight. You know, this has been a 20 year journey for me. And, uh, you know,

00:03:33.960 we've, we've done really well in the marketplace for, for the size of the company and, and, um,

00:03:39.600 the amount of resources that were available to us you know i just got back from ice off

00:03:44.580 so that was the big you know you've you've kind of made it um jumping over that bar was

00:03:51.340 was uh exhilarating to say the least and uh that special forces operators from around the world i

00:03:58.460 i got to shake hands with a lot of idf and and uh all other kind of special forces came out and

00:04:05.000 shot my weapon systems and loved it so it was an honor you know this is old AR the brand itself

00:04:12.760 has been here since 2018 okay and we're a small company out in the sticks east Texas

00:04:19.640 and just a few employees and we make a few thousand rifles a year and yeah it's you know

00:04:29.840 It's the most compact, but it's also a caliber swap.

00:04:33.980 You know, push one pin, barrel system comes off.

00:04:36.960 You can change your calibers, your barrel lengths, push the pin back in, and you're ready to go with another caliber.

00:04:42.420 And we're not going to tell people back at home how you just had to slowly explain to me the very basic functions of a gun.

00:04:49.780 We're not going to tell them that.

00:04:51.160 No, let's not tell them that.

00:04:51.980 I knew everything.

00:04:52.980 Yeah.

00:04:53.320 Yeah.

00:04:54.280 She knows it all.

00:04:55.380 I know it all.

00:04:56.220 So I did just get a nice crash course.

00:04:58.640 It's a very interesting product. You could see why you would have special forces interested in that product. And something that I think jumped at my audience in general when it came to the Fold AR was the idea of a pastor. I know now he says he's not a pastor, but his website certainly did say he was a pastor at some point being interested in this product.

00:05:24.560 So I'd just love to hear about how you met Victor Marks.

00:05:30.140 Well, late November of 23, my wife was showing me some of the Instagram posts that he was making, and he was demoing compact weapon systems.

00:05:43.660 And it was like, it was kind of framed around, you know, Victor's looking for the most versatile compact weapon system that's out there that, and I don't think he announced it as he was looking for a signature series at the time, but nonetheless, she had me message him and he responded right away and invited us up to his house in Colorado Springs.

00:06:06.420 so we drove from east texas to colorado springs on uh i think december the 1st and um what year

00:06:14.400 23 okay yeah and so we got there and there was a there was quite a few people there

00:06:22.480 there's i think there was probably around 20 15 to 20 people there some family some friends some

00:06:28.600 security guys and all really nice people everybody's really kind to us and uh we got to meet

00:06:36.360 all of them individually and talked to all of them um so we went into the dojo house where

00:06:45.660 it's like a karate mat kind of wide open space and i was demonstrating it you know pulling it

00:06:52.420 out of a backpack and deploying it and teaching some of the people that were there how to deploy

00:06:58.000 it this sounds like a pretty big property it's not that big um i would say i would say

00:07:06.200 like four to five acres maybe okay so five acre property okay and but they're doing gun demos just

00:07:13.660 in a studio where he does doja did you say yeah yeah so just a studio area at first okay and so

00:07:22.260 we we did that for an hour and it was just mostly discussion of course and so we're not deploying it

00:07:29.040 and shooting it at that point but um you know the other people that were just people friends not in

00:07:34.500 the industry whatsoever just like local friends of theirs i don't know if they were all local

00:07:40.540 um but nonetheless everybody treated everybody was really nice okay so um after that portion of it

00:07:50.200 we went out to the gun range which was uh just a 25 yard range that said that was at the back of

00:07:57.340 the property and it had like tinder framing around it and it's kind of dug into the ground

00:08:04.800 so they got to shoot right there and deploy and and uh so everybody got their rounds and

00:08:13.280 and we got pictures and uh my wife got to shoot the gun and with victor and she's excited about

00:08:20.920 that got some pictures and anyways i you know i kind of stay back like i don't put myself in the

00:08:27.620 middle of everything and so i show everybody what to do make sure everybody's safe we got

00:08:32.440 you've got uh security type former military people there everybody knows i shoot a gun and

00:08:39.680 i'm just kind of sitting back at my vehicle which is parked at the back and and victor comes up to

00:08:46.140 me it's like first thing he said was you know not the first thing of the whole meeting but first

00:08:51.720 first thing he said in this moment was you know I don't really meet too many people that are at

00:08:58.780 the pinnacle of their industry and to me I don't take overt compliments very well um that was

00:09:10.820 really the first time that anybody significant had said anything like that to me because I'm

00:09:16.620 still very small company almost invisible in the industry even though I'm well known in the

00:09:23.100 in the industry but in the general marketplace kind of invisible and so I when I heard that I

00:09:32.060 was like okay I need somebody gets it like I'm not trying to get a badge of honor here but

00:09:39.180 that was that was nice after 18 or 17 years of work at that point wow and uh so he said well

00:09:51.920 you know i've got some signature series that i'm looking at with uh he named off a few different

00:09:59.220 companies and you know bigger companies like yeah but this one's the only one that makes sense

00:10:05.160 and for me i already know what my weapon system is so validation doesn't really mean anything to

00:10:16.480 me from other people but um it was again a reaffirmation that somebody gets it and we had

00:10:26.660 already had conversations you know back at the at the doja house whatever you call that um

00:10:33.320 about our mission with going on the backs of school resource officers and and uh well it

00:10:40.680 wasn't our mission at that point in time but it was brought up as a topic and and we had sold

00:10:46.740 quite a few to school resource officers but again it wasn't it wasn't so much

00:10:54.140 you know our mission wasn't established until we left the marxist and i'll walk you through that so

00:11:03.760 when we walked in so we get done with the shooting at the range and we've already at

00:11:12.460 this point we've been there for like four or five hours so they invite us into their house

00:11:18.860 and it's uh it's getting dusk i suppose um and you know victor opens the door and my wife

00:11:30.500 goes in and as he's going in he says you know everybody has been talking and we've noticed too

00:11:38.040 me and eileen have noticed that you know you and your wife just have a like a unique connection

00:11:44.520 that is unusual i like you're finishing each other's sentences you're talking to multiple

00:11:53.940 people and like automatically know where the other one left off and you fill in the gap

00:12:00.300 and and the way you look at each other and you know just that was normal for us like we were

00:12:07.640 already three years in the relationship and we we had a little thing where we called you know

00:12:13.420 twin flames and and uh you know it was natural to us and so we had this other thing you know 11 11

00:12:22.220 and not into all the angel numbers but you know that was our thing our our unique connection and

00:12:28.240 you know he opens the door and he's and he's and he says you know i feel the hand of god on y'all

00:12:36.920 or God's favor I feel God's favor on y'all and you're about you know he's telling me that

00:12:44.260 you're about to come into an abundance as we're walking into the house

00:12:50.720 and so you know I haven't worked in on this for so long up to that point there's been a lot of

00:12:58.440 instances where people have told me like oh this is about to take off you're about to make all this

00:13:04.320 money and get all this attention so many times over the years and so that was one of those moments

00:13:13.160 where inside it didn't sit well with me during that but on the outside it was like okay maybe

00:13:24.480 this is it because he already understands like that's already clicked so that started off the

00:13:32.740 entry to the house we go in we sit down in the living room on the couch and um we're just having

00:13:39.820 casual conversation and talking about the history of of what i've been through to make it this far

00:13:47.360 and you know it's just getting deeper and deeper and you know they ask us about well first they're

00:13:53.800 you know this is when they make the comment about the connection you know we're sitting

00:13:57.460 there on the couch makes the comment about me and my wife's connection and says well aren't y'all

00:14:03.340 married well y'all first it's are y'all believers well yeah yeah we are believers you know I got

00:14:11.460 another coincidence you know I accepted Christ when I was 16 and so did she and so

00:14:19.180 answer that question and and then it was then it was why aren't y'all married like well i've been

00:14:30.620 married a couple times before or two and and just wasn't a priority you know we're we get along

00:14:39.000 great and i don't want marriage to ruin that right but what we're not thinking scripturally

00:14:46.540 about it and so this led into and you know this is hours worth of conversation and um you know

00:14:56.380 this led into the victor explaining what a retooling prayer is and i had never heard that

00:15:03.280 term before and i grew up in church um but i wasn't i wasn't heavily rooted in scripture

00:15:11.260 at that point in time you know we're talking December 23 um so it didn't it didn't click with

00:15:20.900 me that that that was a you know something to watch out for I'm just you know I'm excited we're

00:15:28.380 here you know this seems like it would it might be what I've been working for all this time and

00:15:35.880 all the stress and the lawsuits and the marriages and finally somebody understands so you know hey

00:15:42.540 let's do a ritual in prayer and so he kind of explains it and and he's asking eileen a lot of

00:15:49.840 questions about the process so it to me it was like well why does he have to ask her

00:15:58.280 how it goes you know from component to component of how this ritual in prayer goes but

00:16:04.880 again i just let it slide and and so we agree and uh it would start off with with me and this

00:16:15.040 this whole process i think lasted maybe 15 minutes each when you say it started with me

00:16:23.340 and you also use the word ritual uh what do you mean by that

00:16:27.560 um well the retooling prayer he was going to do it on me first okay and then and then one by one

00:16:37.840 and he's going to retool what a good question yeah okay we'll figure that out we'll figure that out

00:16:45.200 yeah so and of course i didn't memorize the whole process but recently i looked back on uh there was

00:16:54.240 a podcast that they did in 21 him and eileen where it described the process you know i kind of forgot

00:17:01.360 what the process was after this thing but i looked back recently and you know it all started to come

00:17:06.920 back it's like oh yeah he did exactly that and uh transcribed it out it was a podcast verbal podcast

00:17:14.080 but i had it transcribed out and got to look through it in detail you know piece by piece

00:17:19.620 or just a few weeks ago actually and um so as i was reading through it it was

00:17:26.840 oh yeah he did that he did that he did that and so the first part was an opening prayer and i

00:17:34.440 didn't memorize the whole opening prayer it's like five or six sentences long you know 30 seconds

00:17:40.120 worth of opening prayer and it's using name of jesus and uh seem seem like a fairly straightforward

00:17:49.600 forward prayer except and again i didn't notice all this stuff back then but except the whole

00:17:56.640 circle of judgment so there's an opening prayer and it establishes a circle of judgment

00:18:02.800 in the room and um there's some other components to it but and who who is in the circle of judgment

00:18:13.360 sorry to it was it was just an imaginary bubble sphere so to so to speak that was just the

00:18:21.040 terminology so he's kind of setting up this imaginary perimeter yeah around around the

00:18:25.400 whole room like all of us okay and i mean in within the circle no one is judged or we will

00:18:31.000 be doing some judging that's what i mean that's my question like you can tell me everything and

00:18:37.980 no one's judging, or like we are going to enter in some judgments?

00:18:42.000 I think it was, well, looking back on the transcript.

00:18:46.920 Yeah, which is helpful.

00:18:48.000 It's judgment on the assigned demons.

00:18:52.940 Okay, so he's judging the demons that he assumes are in you.

00:18:58.640 Not in.

00:19:00.540 Around?

00:19:01.840 Yeah, attached to.

00:19:03.020 Attached to.

00:19:03.820 Okay, sorry.

00:19:04.740 Yeah, correct anything.

00:19:05.860 I have not been...

00:19:07.980 communication with a person who's doing retooling prayers.

00:19:11.040 Right.

00:19:11.380 So here's the trick.

00:19:15.640 Believers can't be possessed by demons.

00:19:18.940 That's scripture.

00:19:20.700 And so when you have believers come to this quasi-exorcism,

00:19:29.740 you can't call it an exorcism.

00:19:32.400 You have to reframe everything.

00:19:34.140 So possession now becomes assignment.

00:19:37.980 okay so they're not in you but they're attached to you okay so in you a scriptural a non-believer

00:19:47.740 possessed inside you a believer can't be possessed inside but can be attached the outside

00:19:58.400 and so if you've engaged in if you engage in a continuous sin like you have invited a demon

00:20:06.140 to walk alongside you, I suppose.

00:20:11.600 Okay, I would have to consult a priest on that

00:20:12.940 because I do think that there are definitely ways

00:20:15.540 that you can get possessed by demons.

00:20:17.700 Like, there have been people,

00:20:19.300 I don't know for sure,

00:20:20.920 but that helps me understand, I guess,

00:20:23.740 the context of how this is happening.

00:20:25.080 So he's saying, there are demons that are attached to you.

00:20:27.180 I'm going to do this reputooling prayer.

00:20:28.360 May I ask, what is his authority to do that prayer?

00:20:32.160 Well, I don't know that answer.

00:20:34.980 and uh that's would be my first question if someone's like i'm gonna like get these demons

00:20:39.820 that are attached to you off of you might be like oh are you a priest are you an exorcist are you

00:20:44.080 did he say to you i am a a pastor a pastor okay so he's taken that since just you know publicly

00:20:50.480 he's no longer a pastor but he definitively did we checked how on his website that he was a pastor

00:20:55.320 well i think um i guess i won't represent this as something that i remember him saying but

00:21:03.240 I think he believes that he's anointed by God as some type of apostle.

00:21:10.440 So in any case, this attached, assigned demon is going to get judged in this circle of judgment.

00:21:23.660 And so he asked, he asked the subject, me, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to ask you a series of questions and you're just going to respond.

00:21:37.740 Whatever the first thing that comes to your head, just, just say it. Doesn't matter what it is. Don't think about it. Relax. Just say whatever the first thing that comes to your mind.

00:21:48.960 And so he asked, he's commanding the demons.

00:21:56.500 And he asked, you know, what demon, what is, well, back up.

00:22:04.160 He asked how many demons are assigned.

00:22:07.340 And you just say a number.

00:22:09.080 And so that's the instruction that he's giving me.

00:22:10.820 You know, I'm going to ask how many demons are assigned to Corby.

00:22:14.160 and i don't remember exactly the number it was either two or three i just said the first number

00:22:21.840 that came out um came to mind and then he asked the name of the first one so he's gonna

00:22:29.660 gonna judge the first demon he knows now i'll say a name and i said

00:22:37.660 and this was

00:22:40.240 this was recorded

00:22:41.300 by the way

00:22:41.960 and we were advised

00:22:44.240 or suggested

00:22:45.920 to record it

00:22:47.460 and so my wife

00:22:49.700 did record

00:22:50.820 and

00:22:52.560 so I said

00:22:54.500 oh you're never

00:22:56.820 gonna believe

00:22:57.380 what's popping

00:22:58.000 in my head

00:22:58.500 I just

00:22:58.800 I just think it's

00:23:00.740 something I've seen

00:23:01.640 in a movie

00:23:02.140 or something

00:23:02.700 and Eileen says

00:23:04.380 oh well

00:23:04.740 you know

00:23:05.080 just say

00:23:07.160 whatever it is it doesn't matter doesn't matter if it's they would name off some whatever common

00:23:12.600 names and i said well visible and eileen says you know that's actually pretty common like oh okay

00:23:26.040 um so proceeding from there he names victor names the demon by the name visible

00:23:37.160 and he commands angels to come down

00:23:44.020 and grab this demon by the arms

00:23:47.520 and make the demon kneel before him.

00:23:53.080 So if you can imagine angels coming down,

00:23:56.060 grabbing, forcing the demon to kneel before Victor.

00:23:59.840 just pausing here for dramatic effect because that is how i'm i'm envisioning that victor

00:24:12.060 marx then believes that he has the capability not just to command demons but to command angels

00:24:18.760 and that's what he's telling you because he can wow that is

00:24:25.600 sorry for interrupting but that is just that's the statement right there

00:24:30.960 yeah and also to be clear i hadn't realized this i thought when you said you guys went one by one

00:24:39.200 that maybe eileen's in another room but you guys were all in the room together this is a yeah okay

00:24:44.720 yeah and she and eileen is is still kind of reminding him of the of the steps he knows what

00:24:52.620 to say but you know it was just like oh no you do this step first and then he'd be like oh yeah

00:24:58.240 and which angel did he say didn't say i don't remember him saying the names of the angels okay

00:25:05.880 um again i'll record it so it'd be interesting to figure out which angel he believes he's commanding

00:25:14.200 yeah so

00:25:16.220 this is just you know this is a scary story to me like i am like i don't even watch scary movies

00:25:24.280 so like i it's like a movie right now in my head that i'm like i'm walking out of the theater right

00:25:28.800 now i'm just going like okay like i'm gonna be honest with you this is this is terrifying to me

00:25:35.400 like a man that yeah that is that is something

00:25:41.840 but this is the guy who understands me and understands what i've been through

00:25:48.720 and sees the value in what i'm doing

00:25:51.040 they always come as your friends

00:25:55.440 sorry charlie yeah they always come as your friends so 0.95

00:26:04.500 this demon

00:26:07.180 being held by two angels

00:26:09.500 he makes

00:26:11.660 some commands I don't remember what he said

00:26:13.720 but he

00:26:15.100 commanded one of the angels to

00:26:17.380 cut the arm off 0.98

00:26:19.140 the demon 0.99

00:26:20.380 and then I think

00:26:23.660 commanded the other angel to cut

00:26:25.580 off the other arm or a leg or something 0.66

00:26:27.820 dismemberment of the 0.77

00:26:29.660 demon

00:26:29.960 and

00:26:32.440 And, you know, I did, you know, I did skip.

00:26:38.480 I did skip a portion.

00:26:42.100 So before that, yes, before all of that dramatic stuff,

00:26:48.700 there was another set of questions that was asked.

00:26:52.700 So after the demon's name, the next question that was asked was,

00:26:57.340 what are the three lies that you've been telling for me and so this is where

00:27:06.720 i started to get in kind of a trance like state and i was staring straight at victor

00:27:14.200 and i wasn't blinking my eyes they're kind of watering up and uh stopped breathing not as a

00:27:22.200 panic but just I noticed that I just wasn't breathing for a few seconds and so again first

00:27:33.640 thing that pops into your head and I said you're a fraud and then what's the second

00:27:41.800 lie that you're telling Corby 0.50

00:27:44.080 and said

00:27:46.400 your kids

00:27:52.380 don't love you

00:27:53.260 and the third lie

00:28:01.420 they'll never love you

00:28:05.360 so that was

00:28:11.460 the three lies

00:28:13.620 first things that popped in my head

00:28:15.200 and

00:28:18.060 so then

00:28:20.620 after that set of questions

00:28:22.100 was

00:28:23.800 what is the one truth

00:28:28.200 that God's trying to tell Corby

00:28:30.000 that you're blocking

00:28:31.000 from him hearing

00:28:32.640 and of course

00:28:36.040 it's

00:28:36.480 you're not a fraud

00:28:38.340 your kids do love you

00:28:40.000 and

00:28:40.740 And she's sitting right there next to you, and she's not going to leave you.

00:28:48.440 So then the dramatics with the chopping the thing, the arms and the legs off and casting away, and then on to the next demon.

00:28:57.300 What's the next demon's name?

00:29:00.240 And then the whole process started over.

00:29:03.160 And in each process, is he chopping off the arm of the demon?

00:29:05.680 Mm-hmm.

00:29:07.000 Okay.

00:29:08.740 Hindsight is 20-20.

00:29:10.120 Yeah.

00:29:10.360 right also not i i have the honor of sitting in this chair and i can like hear what's happening

00:29:17.520 with what i just know about psychology and stuff and you are telling him your deepest fears that's

00:29:24.500 it like there's nothing happening other than we're all self-conscious we constantly on our head are

00:29:30.600 are saying things oh this is not right you know we're in our normal capacity we're our own worst

00:29:36.380 critics and he's just commanded out of you and now now he knows your weak spots yep

00:29:41.120 now he knows he and you at the end of that because you're you're doing this and these

00:29:48.720 people are strangers um you've instantly established an emotional connection with

00:29:54.000 these people because you shared with them something that you would not just share to

00:29:57.900 a person that you met right so he is um i would almost say he's uh he's trained in that i don't

00:30:07.800 think he's uh being trained by a church in that i'll tell you that right oh i know now because

00:30:15.740 in just how the emotion of hearing that like and i instantly know this is like these are your

00:30:21.680 deepest fears that's it like we all have them and you're talking about your kids you're talking

00:30:25.720 about this this woman love me like i'm going into i think you said this is your third relationship

00:30:30.200 right that's gonna obviously be a fear um and he just now he's got the key

00:30:37.340 maybe he was summoning demons maybe there was somebody in there that might have been a

00:30:46.820 a little possessed or attached and i don't think it was you but that's

00:30:50.200 my opinion it's my podcast i can say my opinion whenever i want i can

00:30:53.880 Yes, ma'am. So, you know, there was one more, the next name was Thomas, and I don't remember what the answers, you know, the three lies or the answers were for that one.

00:31:10.600 but then the thing about it was it was like a compounding effect so every time

00:31:18.540 this is where it got really interesting every time you would

00:31:23.980 get done with a demon he would re-ask the question of now how many demons now you know each time

00:31:33.700 and so after that second one Thomas I said zero we're done um no matter what number popped into

00:31:42.980 my head it was zero uh so it was getting kind of weird at that point I wanted it over with but uh

00:31:50.400 moved on to my wife and I'll just leave that one alone but um same process same thing yeah and

00:32:00.580 what happened after

00:32:03.680 well I remember him

00:32:08.120 saying that

00:32:09.480 doing this practice

00:32:12.460 like drains his energy

00:32:14.500 like he gets real

00:32:16.580 worn out almost like he's

00:32:18.480 using up energy in this process

00:32:22.660 and I remember that

00:32:26.280 being something that stuck out

00:32:27.800 um

00:32:30.580 But after this whole process, so him and Eileen leave the room and, you know, we've, we've talked about my, my brief story, you know, I, I dove deeper than I ever have with anybody else already.

00:32:49.880 but they left the room and came back and told me about a dream revision and i don't remember

00:32:58.760 which one it was but it was a dream revision that eileen had the night before

00:33:02.760 and they were both telling the story kind of him telling the piece and then her telling the piece

00:33:09.860 And it was that Eileen had this dream or vision that this was going to be related to a mission to protect kids.

00:33:28.120 And that it's, you know, just so coincidental, well, not coincidental at all, but God ordained that we met.

00:33:37.700 and that I'm bringing this rifle

00:33:40.800 that is the best tool for the job

00:33:44.220 on the backs of SROs.

00:33:47.960 And in addition to that,

00:33:50.560 what I think to be partially true at least,

00:33:59.300 them going in and out of board zones,

00:34:01.140 combat zones or conflict zones

00:34:03.040 to rescue women and children

00:34:05.820 and having these rifles on their backs will benefit them.

00:34:11.940 So double whammy, schools, protecting students

00:34:18.240 and saving women and children abroad. 0.92

00:34:24.760 And God ordained it.

00:34:26.080 What do you know?

00:34:27.020 Just the night before.

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00:37:28.020 There are so many connecting themes here with just everything that I've been discussing on my podcast,

00:37:34.560 obviously just investigating this Charlie Kirk story.

00:37:37.340 And that brings me back to this obvious relationship Eileen has with Erica.

00:37:46.220 And this is very similar.

00:37:47.460 You know, I was there when Charlie and her met and it's this, you know, godly, everything is godly. It's all about this is what God wants and this is like, you know, and how easily Charlie fell for that and believed that, okay, yeah, this woman is just so godly and speaking to her exes as I did.

00:38:10.040 And one of them telling me that she would say she had like a vision or a dream of someone that he was close to after he had opened up that this person was close to him in his life, particularly this ex-boyfriend speaking about his grandfather.

00:38:21.780 And then she'd say that, oh, your grandfather visited me in a dream.

00:38:24.640 So it's, again, establishing that connection. There's a pattern here that I'm recognizing. And I think it's, like I said, been one of the major connecting themes and just kind of looking into the story of sort of what changed at Turning Point USA and the direction that it went into.

00:38:41.700 um i don't want to get ahead of myself there um so you've done this you've established this

00:38:49.700 connection you do believe to some degree that it must be godly you've now handed them the keys

00:38:55.000 to your deepest insecurities right about yourself and i'm sure it felt in equal parts like cathartic

00:39:04.560 right getting that out you don't seem like the kind of person who runs up and talks a lot to

00:39:09.300 people and says hey let me tell you my deepest darkest secrets right um what's that i'm pretty

00:39:16.180 open to people that i feel see me um but in general no i'm pretty standoffy right

00:39:28.440 so now the four of you are you know in this

00:39:36.340 god vision right together i'm obviously saying that tongue-in-cheek what happens next

00:39:44.840 so we go home uh well you know i believe we had a hotel that we were staying in but we left the

00:39:53.200 next day and um so this was again early december so i get to work on the signature series

00:40:03.500 the victor marks signature series we run through a bunch of ideas on color schemes and features

00:40:11.320 you know what suppressor what backpack you know all these

00:40:15.360 how how is this rifle going to be presented it's got to be nice

00:40:20.680 and so we we came up with something and it it was it was a pretty cool rifle but um i had it ready

00:40:28.780 for shot show the shot show is the largest gun show in the in the country probably the world but

00:40:37.000 in the country annual it happens in vegas every year and um sometimes late january i think

00:40:45.260 sometimes it happened in some years it happens late february but this year this year of 24

00:40:51.860 in january it happened in late january so we're communicating back and forth and you know this

00:41:01.780 the color scheme and all the accessories have been picked and we built a few units to be able

00:41:07.740 to present be able to give him a couple at the show and um you know he had his ffl to federal

00:41:17.360 firearms license and so he transferred a couple to him at the show and had a few for um for our

00:41:26.960 display in our booth and uh yeah well backing up just a little bit i asked him well i told him that

00:41:37.120 And, you know, I'm going to ask my then-girlfriend to marry me and in text before the show, like, what, maybe five days before the show.

00:41:54.080 And I remember if he pro-offered it or if I asked him, I think I asked him, you know, hey, you're going to be there, you're a pastor, you know, let's get married.

00:42:07.120 30 minute ceremony we'll be in and out quick he's like oh yeah yeah we'll do that and uh so

00:42:14.800 i had gotten a ring and it actually it traveled through five different four different continents

00:42:26.900 and arrived at our airbnb in vegas uh the the night of the or the day the day of the wedding

00:42:37.120 and uh i was just dressed in like jeans and my work boots and just a button-up shirt and she

00:42:46.140 had a had a pretty cheap easy dress that you got look it looked beautiful but

00:42:53.820 uh we we just like this was a rush job 0.88

00:42:57.100 and i actually hadn't even asked her to marry me like oops wait so the day of

00:43:05.540 the day of I asked her we were just walking down the hallway 0.79

00:43:09.000 and uh but you know by the way she was my CEO

00:43:13.960 of the company and she had been working there for

00:43:17.720 at least two years by that point in time and 1.00

00:43:21.060 just bang up job like she's

00:43:24.800 she's good and um 1.00

00:43:28.660 so anyways asked her to marry me that day we go up to

00:43:34.020 victor's hotel room we have some of our industry friends attend with us and they got video and

00:43:39.960 pictures and it was super special for her because she just adored victor and had followed him for

00:43:48.380 many years and the ceremony was perfect and simple and just it was it was nice so try not to get too

00:44:00.880 sentimental here but um you know we we read each other's vows each other victor was there he

00:44:09.200 officiated it we had our marriage certificate that we ran into the courthouse and grabbed real quick

00:44:13.620 and you know we got a picture of him signing it with us sitting down behind him and

00:44:22.700 And once we got the photo op, we walked to the other side of the room

00:44:30.180 and just mingling with our friends and looking over,

00:44:33.480 and he's talking to Eileen, and I already know what's going on.

00:44:38.000 Like, he's not certified to do this in Nevada.

00:44:46.120 I already know it.

00:44:47.240 and so

00:44:49.480 and so they're just talking it back and forth

00:44:52.640 and he's like trying to decide if he's

00:44:54.600 going to sign it or not

00:44:55.680 and so I'm like hey

00:44:58.380 is it just because we're in Nevada

00:45:02.220 he's like yeah

00:45:03.860 I don't have a license here

00:45:06.240 because there's a block on the form where you're going to put

00:45:08.500 your license number

00:45:09.340 and I was like well just

00:45:12.240 it's fine just sign it we'll go

00:45:14.420 you know we'll go back to Texas

00:45:16.340 and just

00:45:17.240 We'll do our county deal after this, but we'll keep this.

00:45:22.580 Doesn't need a license on it.

00:45:24.940 We're not going to file it here anyways.

00:45:27.460 No big deal, right?

00:45:30.740 Red flag.

00:45:32.480 Does he have a license even in Colorado?

00:45:34.600 I don't know.

00:45:36.100 I don't know.

00:45:37.820 So that was that.

00:45:42.600 And got done with SHOT Show.

00:45:44.440 It was a great event.

00:45:45.360 Got a lot of videos, pictures.

00:45:47.240 Everybody was picking hands and meeting Victor and meeting us.

00:45:53.420 And it was a very nice SHOT Show.

00:45:57.940 And normally I hate going to SHOT Show.

00:46:00.020 I've been to SHOT Show ever since 2012.

00:46:04.420 Hadn't missed a year and just absolutely hated it.

00:46:08.560 Just all the walking and hauling stuff around and having to be here and there and unpacking stuff.

00:46:14.740 And the logistics is just a nightmare.

00:46:16.760 This one was pretty memorable.

00:46:18.020 This was nice.

00:46:20.480 So things are looking good.

00:46:23.660 When is the first time, I guess, you guys had any sort of a shift in that narrative?

00:46:31.940 Like, we're all on the same page.

00:46:34.520 Here's what we're trying to do.

00:46:35.420 Here's what our goal is.

00:46:36.220 We've got your signature series, good-looking gun, getting us married.

00:46:41.500 When's the first time you had a hiccup?

00:46:44.860 Hmm.

00:46:46.180 well, I guess, uh, I'll get there. So I'll just, so, yeah, take me wherever you want. Don't,

00:46:57.740 you know, we could, I want to get the full story.

00:47:05.860 He went on, well, we had an opportunity to pop up and I, I believe it was,

00:47:13.040 I believe it was March or April-ish

00:47:17.380 and Sebastian Gorka

00:47:19.500 had me on once

00:47:23.720 and

00:47:25.400 you know me and him had talked quite a few times

00:47:30.360 and text message based

00:47:34.340 and he loved the gun right

00:47:38.280 he's a gun guy

00:47:39.500 and so me and him kind of connected

00:47:42.320 and and uh he said okay well i'll see you guys signature series victor been trying to get him

00:47:49.080 on my show forever and you know let's let's talk about this cool mission and let's get y'all on

00:47:55.980 so i did not want to go on um i didn't want to be on video can't you tell

00:48:03.380 and uh then i texted victor hey victor sebastian wants you to get on with him

00:48:10.940 and talk about the fold they are he's been trying to get you anything bugging me

00:48:14.980 like just go on with the dude my wife will be there to to support you through this

00:48:20.840 and victor's like yeah oh i do this all the time it ain't no problem and tell us the genesis before

00:48:27.560 we talk about victor and the very exciting plans you have for this weapon what is the genesis how

00:48:32.600 did you get this idea so our our inventor uh corby he's my husband also but he came out with

00:48:41.180 the product about seven years ago and um he came out with it because he was looking for a way to

00:48:48.160 get the ar to be more compact and uh decided to take the barrel nut off and then when he figured

00:48:53.860 that out he figured that you could also fold it and after a lot of testing and and a couple years

00:49:00.440 of development you know where he made this a possibility what is your mission now victor

00:49:05.460 well i'll tell you everyone knows that time in a critical life and death situation makes the

00:49:12.560 biggest difference and this weapon platform not only being an outstanding high-end platform to

00:49:19.900 shoot it is absolutely the best product in order to engage a hostile threat in a school bar none

00:49:27.640 And again, with it being carried in a backpack, it keeps the level of anxiety down for students to watch.

00:49:35.320 So we know this is a lifesaver.

00:49:38.220 And what we want to do is to be able to see every resource officer, first starting in the state of Texas, have one of these.

00:49:46.600 And then it's spreading throughout the United States so that our children will be made safe.

00:49:52.400 So Victor goes on and they talk about the fold they are a little bit.

00:49:56.980 i think sebastian asked her you know how did i think your lesser half is the inventor and

00:50:03.760 you know tell us how he came up with it and she spit off some stuff it was good but

00:50:09.480 um then victor came in and was talking about the all things possible mission and said that um

00:50:19.940 you know we're going to make it a mission to get one of these full day hours on the back of every

00:50:26.040 as sorrow in the nation, starting with Texas.

00:50:30.320 I was kind of shocked.

00:50:31.820 Oh, I didn't think he was going to say that.

00:50:34.240 But, yeah, let's do this.

00:50:37.480 And that idea was to set up a 501c3

00:50:40.660 and figure out how to get donations coming in for schools,

00:50:45.840 particularly rural schools that don't have immediate access

00:50:49.840 to SWAT teams or funding.

00:50:52.740 and and let's get these get these moving so that happened and it wasn't too long before

00:51:01.000 we had a school that needed five and didn't have the budget for it it was local to us

00:51:06.360 and we built them up and we talked to victor about it to get that funded and there was kind

00:51:15.540 of some pushback and you know i gotta run this through the atp board they didn't know

00:51:21.240 that I was going to do that

00:51:23.180 and they're kind of

00:51:24.340 worrying me about

00:51:25.180 the whole gun thing

00:51:27.120 and

00:51:27.540 I'm going okay

00:51:29.240 um

00:51:30.400 yeah you do what you gotta do

00:51:32.940 but I got five

00:51:34.180 and it's

00:51:35.300 and it's like

00:51:36.060 I think it was

00:51:37.760 either $13,000

00:51:39.060 or $15,000

00:51:40.600 and you know

00:51:41.100 the suppressors

00:51:41.980 and backpack

00:51:42.680 and like optics

00:51:43.740 and all the stuff on it

00:51:44.920 that they need

00:51:45.620 to just

00:51:46.140 train and get ready

00:51:48.440 and go

00:51:49.400 go deploy them

00:51:51.240 and so he eventually did, you know,

00:51:56.120 we paid for them to build them up front,

00:51:59.620 and, you know, we're not making a lot of guns every year anyway,

00:52:02.920 so funding that out-of-pocket is kind of a hit,

00:52:07.520 but we did it, and he did send a check to us,

00:52:13.960 and we got the guns to the high school or the ISD.

00:52:21.240 and they loved them we got some photo ops victor didn't come for that but we really wanted him to

00:52:31.240 and so that was we delivered those in in the summer of 24 and um

00:52:39.560 Um, that was the only, that was the only one that Victor ATP purchased.

00:52:50.040 You know, my wife had created this fairly long list of schools and they would fill out a template, you know, we want the guns, we will use them and we don't have a budget for them.

00:53:04.820 and or were located in an area where there's not a quick access to first responders.

00:53:14.380 And if they checked the boxes off and put it on their letterhead,

00:53:18.360 and we would take it in and have it ready for ATP.

00:53:24.860 And yeah, just never, after summer of 24, there was no attempts for...

00:53:33.360 School resource officers.

00:53:35.380 Yeah.

00:53:35.800 In that context, yeah.

00:53:36.980 Right.

00:53:37.960 But there were requests for other guns.

00:53:44.580 And so, moving forward into August,

00:53:51.280 yeah, I'll jump to August.

00:53:54.720 Let's get into it.

00:53:57.840 So, Victor messages me, says,

00:54:01.800 hey, I need a 1,000-yard-capable rifle

00:54:07.040 that has a scope on it

00:54:09.720 and a camera attached to the scope.

00:54:13.960 Like, okay, I can put that together.

00:54:17.080 I actually already have the components.

00:54:19.780 I don't have to buy anything.

00:54:22.300 And he needs me to deliver it to him pretty quickly

00:54:25.700 and says it's...

00:54:31.800 he tells me

00:54:36.260 that it's for

00:54:39.560 let's just hold it up there then

00:54:42.980 so

00:54:43.980 I build this thing out it's got a proof research

00:54:49.220 barrel on it it's a carbon fiber precision barrel it's like

00:54:52.420 $1100 barrel and 223

00:54:57.080 16 inch barrel with I had like a

00:55:01.240 $5,000 scope on it

00:55:03.540 I'd had it for a while

00:55:05.160 So it was just like

00:55:05.940 You know

00:55:06.300 He'll make better use of it

00:55:09.460 Than me

00:55:10.040 You're just gonna give him

00:55:10.960 A $5,000 scope

00:55:12.200 Yeah

00:55:12.760 Okay

00:55:13.560 And with the camera

00:55:14.680 Attached to it

00:55:15.440 Like I literally

00:55:16.420 Had this already set up

00:55:18.260 But I wasn't using

00:55:19.760 I hadn't used it in a while

00:55:20.800 So

00:55:22.480 I

00:55:23.080 Take it up

00:55:24.480 To

00:55:25.000 Victor

00:55:25.980 And

00:55:27.840 Um

00:55:31.240 And the conversation is, we want, I want to, and this is with me and him privately, you know, that's where, you know, the meat of the conversations always come in.

00:55:47.420 He wants to blow the head off of somebody that sticks their head up over the fence around this orphanage in Haiti.

00:55:56.060 And they have a tower in the middle of it, like some kind of watchtower. 0.96

00:56:01.240 because apparently in the middle of the orphanage yeah the orphanage okay and you know he's saying

00:56:09.960 that people are jumping over the fence climbing over and trying to rob or or whatever the orphanage

00:56:18.920 and so you know tell him yeah i'm not gonna leave it here if that's what you're doing

00:56:29.560 and you know we had a conversation before about shooting watermelons a previous conversation

00:56:39.780 about shooting watermelons at a thousand yards but when i got there you know conversation shifted

00:56:46.360 now we're in person and he wants to talk about shooting people shooting people yeah and i just

00:56:54.740 want to back this up when he's initially because we do have that message and we're going to show

00:57:00.020 that message when you guys were initially having that conversation about shooting watermelons like

00:57:05.540 did you think he was talking about watermelons or do you think it could be code because you kind

00:57:09.400 of know him a little bit now look and he's like hey i'm just wondering if we could or were you

00:57:12.720 thinking like no he just really means like if we were to test it with the watermelon like

00:57:16.120 what was your thought process when you were first having the conversation via text about

00:57:20.540 shooting watermelons from 1,000 yards.

00:57:23.740 Did you think that there might have been some innuendo

00:57:27.040 reading between the lines?

00:57:27.900 You just thought he was shooting straight

00:57:28.720 because he'd never made a weird request before this.

00:57:30.600 So you were like, he just wants to know.

00:57:32.520 Okay.

00:57:33.100 So then you're like, he says,

00:57:35.560 let's have this conversation face-to-face.

00:57:37.060 And when you say you meet up, this is in Colorado?

00:57:39.140 Yes.

00:57:39.580 Okay.

00:57:39.840 So that is, does he have a place in Texas

00:57:41.500 or are we always Colorado?

00:57:43.780 Oh, yeah.

00:57:44.320 We always met in Colorado at his house.

00:57:46.340 And just to get our timeline right,

00:57:48.620 this is August of 2024.

00:57:50.540 correct okay so now you're face to face and he's like actually there's this orphanage and people

00:57:56.000 are climbing over this fence in the orphanage and there's happens to be a tower in the middle

00:58:02.560 and we just want to shoot these people because we want to protect this orphanage yeah because 0.98

00:58:06.740 what are they doing at this orphanage presumably stealing orphans trafficking children i don't 0.99

00:58:12.500 know you didn't say that explicitly okay fair enough so i say you know i'm not going to leave

00:58:18.680 this that's that's not what my rifles i mean for a military guy i will sell my rifles to military

00:58:25.340 law enforcement and it's assumed that they may shoot people with them right but in this context

00:58:32.280 of a mercenary type operation that doesn't have oversight no um and did you wonder why he was

00:58:43.860 doing that at all because i mean i'm just he's a pastor he's doing a routine like i i have a

00:58:48.440 priest if my priest was suddenly like hey candace can i have some guns to go shoot an orphanage on

00:58:52.660 a mercenary mission i'd be like oh this is a new side of you is he telling you like you've met

00:58:57.880 armed forces guy at his property like what is your are you shocked at even the proposition of

00:59:02.760 him doing this or does he kind of speak this way and tell you that he's connected and whatever like

00:59:09.240 how are you processing that request

00:59:11.200 well

00:59:14.540 I just simply said

00:59:18.420 yeah I'm just not

00:59:20.420 going to leave it here

00:59:21.600 you're not processing it

00:59:23.620 I'm not processing it

00:59:25.460 again I'm happy that I'm there

00:59:28.380 in person now we can talk about

00:59:30.160 like I got

00:59:32.360 this list of schools that are ready for guns

00:59:34.660 and you know there's that

00:59:38.140 bond has been established

00:59:40.100 he is my authority you know spiritual authority figure like i'm not to question i am to do

00:59:48.060 and i was there to deliver so but you know i told him

00:59:54.500 you know well why don't you just like we're talking about get the watermelon just do the 0.97

01:00:03.100 watermelon like oh okay well like and and backing up so shooting the head off of a person 0.97

01:00:15.100 transpired into well i'm gonna go in and execute or capture amy barbecue okay and the first time 0.90

01:00:28.400 i've ever heard of this guy i don't know who he is i'm still like yeah no uh again back to the

01:00:34.120 watermelons he's like yeah you just i said just put the watermelon up on the fence

01:00:40.420 dude it get your propaganda video that's what the whole thing was about was shooting somebody 0.57

01:00:48.300 climbing over got it on camera we can distribute it out in the haiti land and they won't jump over

01:00:57.520 anymore like like i see the good intention behind it but yeah no and then you know transition

01:01:07.820 transitioned into a little bit more detail like maybe maybe if i tell him that it's to kill jimmy

01:01:14.800 barbecue who is causing all the ruckus in haiti anyways then then he'll agree okay so i do want

01:01:24.140 to just take the second now to just show a brief clip to my audience of the media context of who

01:01:30.460 Jimmy Barbecue is. Some people, you know, do not follow politics, global politics. And what we were

01:01:36.220 told Jimmy Barbecue is and was during this time frame, August 2024. Take a listen.

01:01:43.720 Jimmy Chirizia, universally referred to here as Barbecue, is the head of one of the most powerful

01:01:49.260 gangs in Port-au-Prince. But he's also the head of a gang consortium that's brought

01:01:54.700 Haiti to its knees. Barbecue sees himself as a revolutionary for the people, and he

01:02:00.340 rails against corrupt politicians and oligarchs. He dismisses all the efforts underway here

01:02:06.480 to form a transitional council that will govern Haiti. Inside his territory, despite the poverty,

01:02:12.280 life is relatively peaceful and organised. Unlike in much of Port-au-Prince, queues for

01:02:18.220 The food barbecue gets brought in are orderly.

01:02:21.420 Usually it's chaos.

01:02:22.900 But here people wait knowing that there are enough supplies for the whole community.

01:02:28.120 This is a source of barbecue strength.

01:02:31.160 To the outside world, he may be a gangster.

01:02:33.620 But here he's a sort of Robin Hood.

01:02:36.000 Okay, so he's saying to you, I'm going to get this guy. 0.97

01:02:40.380 I'm going to capture or I'm going to kill.

01:02:43.540 You say, not with my weapon, actually. 0.89

01:02:46.000 and let's talk about school resource officers.

01:02:48.460 What happens next?

01:02:49.740 Well, you know, right after the Jimmy barbecue,

01:02:51.760 that's when I brought it back to the watermelons

01:02:53.720 and he seemed to agree.

01:02:56.840 Kind of reluctant and annoyed manner.

01:03:01.420 Like, why are you questioning me?

01:03:04.900 Maybe he was testing me.

01:03:06.320 I don't know.

01:03:06.800 I don't know what his intentions were.

01:03:08.240 I just know what was said to me.

01:03:10.960 So I didn't have a concern at that point though

01:03:14.220 because he's like yeah we'll do the we could do the watermelon no it's not a bad idea

01:03:20.580 and so uh from there i left the gun with him and um

01:03:26.880 you know there was no discussion about tools or maybe maybe there was and it was just kind of like

01:03:34.920 just uh just nothing was yeah we're still on board with the mission but you know i'm

01:03:41.840 dealing with this and that and i got this mission coming up and just never you know never went

01:03:47.940 anywhere so yeah we we left and um then there was a i know there was another you know i skipped over

01:04:00.220 a meeting i went in june that the june meeting is the one i don't really remember what i did i know

01:04:07.320 I went alone um but I don't remember I didn't deliver anything as far as I remember but um

01:04:15.040 you know there was a June trip that I made in the August one I do remember specifically uh there

01:04:22.280 was text messages surrounding it that that I was able to reference against um so then in November

01:04:30.240 and he comes to Texas to my facility.

01:04:36.880 And so the intent is that we're going to tour the shop.

01:04:45.000 He had a couple flying down on their private plane

01:04:48.940 and I picked them up from the airport

01:04:51.820 and we went to the shop and toured the shop

01:04:57.280 And, um, you know, during that tour, pretty early on, you know, he was there for probably four, four-ish hours.

01:05:11.000 And, you know, when we got alone on the shop floor and between the machines, he's like, hey, you know, I still got this Haiti stuff going on and I need 50 guns to take and drop off in Haiti. 0.75

01:05:33.100 And I said, well, you know, that's an embargo country.

01:05:38.280 So, I mean, I've exported guns by this point to many different countries, and I know the process, and it's not easy every time, any time, really.

01:05:52.260 And I just knew that Haiti wasn't on that list, on the approved export list.

01:05:57.260 So I was like, nah, I can't do that one because like 80s, like the last place they're going to let me export guns, probably the last place.

01:06:11.260 And so I said, you know, I suggest you don't do that with any other firearms either.

01:06:17.640 Just I'm assuming that he just doesn't know the export laws.

01:06:22.720 Why am I assuming this?

01:06:24.980 I don't know.

01:06:26.540 But he's a high-risk humanitarian abroad.

01:06:30.540 He's been to all these other countries, done operations in hindsight 2020.

01:06:35.860 Of course he knew that you can't take guns and drop them off into Haiti.

01:06:41.140 Did you, and I'm sorry to cut you off here, but I have a question about that.

01:06:44.020 The other countries he had visited, did he ever give you again the context?

01:06:47.140 Because I'm just going in my own point of reference.

01:06:49.660 My priest was like, yeah, and I did these high-risk humanitarian things.

01:06:54.080 What's your background?

01:06:54.840 How are you getting on these missions? Who are you working for? Did he ever give you that context or just, okay, so that might have been why I didn't really flag you that he was going to Haiti because it was kind of a part of something that you knew he had done or he says he has done in many other countries.

01:07:07.820 yeah and then you know there was already the visit before that there was haiti discussions

01:07:13.400 and told me about the orphanage told me about semi-barbecue and the um you know the gang

01:07:19.620 violence it was around so i kind of knew the context already it's just like okay well you're

01:07:26.820 i've already told you no once and then you're bringing me something that's even

01:07:34.220 And I suppose if you have whatever license or approval, State Department, or whatever kind of approval it is where you can go as a private citizen with your own gun and get out, do your thing, and keep your gun on you, I suppose that that's a legal thing.

01:07:57.580 I would have to research that, but it seems to be that that's a thing that is done commonly.

01:08:04.220 Um, but leaving guns, I know that you can't do that.

01:08:11.760 Not in Haiti.

01:08:12.960 Yeah, I think that's called weapons trafficking, but I'm not positive.

01:08:15.820 Yep.

01:08:17.220 So, told them no.

01:08:19.120 Uh, told them, you know, don't, don't be going to some other manufacturer and getting 50 and I'm trying to look out for you, pops.

01:08:31.320 Listen to me.

01:08:32.540 Um, so I also told them that, um, you know, if you, if you place an order for 50 guns with my wife next week, I'm not, I can't sell you the guns because I already know now.

01:08:53.780 So, like, let's not talk about this anymore.

01:08:57.280 Like, okay, I'll figure it out.

01:09:00.400 What did he say he wanted to do with the—like, who was he dropping those guns off for?

01:09:04.840 He didn't tell me that.

01:09:05.580 Okay.

01:09:06.640 All I was told that it was for protection of the orphanage.

01:09:16.420 And you don't know what they're protecting?

01:09:19.340 I don't know any details about it other than I was told it was a 200-acre property.

01:09:26.120 I don't know if that's true or not.

01:09:28.260 I was told that there is a tower in the middle of it

01:09:31.900 and a pretty tall fence around the perimeter of it.

01:09:36.120 I wasn't told how many kids are there or who mans it.

01:09:43.080 Yeah, just other than I'm needing a long range

01:09:46.920 to make a propaganda video and then the 50 to do, I'm not sure.

01:09:52.940 Okay.

01:09:54.640 What happens next?

01:09:58.260 Well, that's not the most dramatic or juicy portion of the story, but...

01:10:07.680 Remind me, because I'm taking some notes on what you're saying,

01:10:10.500 because I do have some questions I'm going to want to come back to, but go ahead.

01:10:12.840 Yeah, no problem.

01:10:18.820 So there was not another meeting until the final meeting,

01:10:22.740 which was in early April.

01:10:31.320 And so the context around this meeting was multifaceted.

01:10:37.480 Are we in Colorado?

01:10:39.380 Yeah, in Colorado.

01:10:40.920 And I would drive up there again, and it was by myself.

01:10:45.460 The context around this meeting was, like I said, multifaceted.

01:10:50.880 it was issues between me and my spouse it was we were talking about biblical things

01:11:00.160 relationship I mean he was he was mentoring me what I viewed to be mentoring at the time

01:11:09.080 you know during this whole relationship and things are starting to pile up and in April you know so

01:11:16.040 Trump got elected in November of 24, and in the gun industry, we have what's called the Trump slump.

01:11:29.560 Anytime a Republican is elected, then the demand for firearms goes down, so things get pretty tough.

01:11:38.740 You have to pivot as a manufacturer to survive in that environment.

01:11:43.060 and we didn't have the resources to pivot and it was it was getting tough um

01:11:50.780 yeah actually i forget you know we went to shot show again in january of 25

01:11:55.960 and uh that that could have possibly been a february year but i believe it was january 25

01:12:04.860 And, you know, so it was our anniversary, you know, it was pretty rough because sales were already going down and just to be honest, I was struggling with substance abuse with THC.

01:12:33.560 Smoking pot.

01:12:34.860 Uh, gummies or vapes.

01:12:38.180 Okay.

01:12:38.880 Yep.

01:12:39.520 How often?

01:12:40.320 Like, just, like, kind of living high, like?

01:12:42.080 No, uh, well, yeah, daily, but.

01:12:44.640 Yeah.

01:12:45.960 Gummies, popping gummies.

01:12:47.540 Yeah.

01:12:48.200 Okay.

01:12:49.400 Any other stronger substances?

01:12:51.840 Yeah.

01:12:52.600 Okay.

01:12:53.480 Are you drinking, too?

01:12:54.520 No, not drinking.

01:12:55.620 Okay.

01:12:56.920 So you're THC.

01:12:58.420 Yeah.

01:12:59.660 That's, you know, I've done that since 2020.

01:13:02.820 Mm-hmm.

01:13:04.860 I think you sent me a thing and like you and your wife both smoked pot, like you were both THC users, so to speak.

01:13:13.020 Oh, I guess we'll focus more on you, but I'm just saying that like this was something that was already known to the Marks family, I think.

01:13:18.680 Oh, yeah.

01:13:19.100 That's what I'm asking more importantly.

01:13:20.740 Yeah, and, you know, anxiety issues with the past.

01:13:26.160 I didn't want to get on any SSRIs or anything like that again.

01:13:30.340 and and weed as long as i moderated it was it was uh it was a it was a pretty good um

01:13:39.800 regulator of anxiety for me as long as i didn't go overboard with it but

01:13:46.840 it became you know one of those dependency things you just got to have a little bit more

01:13:52.260 a little bit more and then you get kind of dependent on it and um

01:13:57.340 but now i hadn't needed to pivot you know 2024 the end of 2024

01:14:04.400 uh early 2025 we needed to pivot and i wasn't able to do it like i was functionally

01:14:13.020 in decline and you know they weren't the atp thing wasn't helping in the signature series

01:14:22.960 We did sell some of them, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't just like guy rocketing business or anything.

01:14:32.740 So you now got the added financial pressure, which is what causes.

01:14:35.800 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:38.200 And so, and interestingly enough, with my wife's involvement the prior three years, we made the Inc. 5000 list in 25.

01:14:48.080 although like it was just we got the notice in she had worked so hard on it and uh you know

01:14:56.160 with her in the CEO position we had increased our revenue by 350 percent

01:15:03.120 in the prior three years so we earned 1608 position in the country and 60th fastest manufacturer

01:15:14.260 and first in the region, fastest-growing company in the region,

01:15:21.660 while we're like, oh, man, we're tanking fast.

01:15:25.840 Now we're going to keep the lights on.

01:15:27.060 Yeah.

01:15:27.500 Yeah.

01:15:28.100 Yeah.

01:15:29.180 So, yeah, this is all building up on me.

01:15:32.500 And I'm, again, going back to Victor and one of his guys, Chaz,

01:15:39.560 for any kind of support, you know,

01:15:43.000 more so like help me figure out number one i'm ready to get off of phc because i got to make

01:15:54.460 this pivot and i've got to like bring my high functioning self back and there wasn't there

01:16:02.960 wasn't any help there you know maybe a couple nudges here and there but uh and you know and

01:16:09.780 And there's a text message history that I've gone through recently, and it makes sense now.

01:16:17.180 All of it makes sense.

01:16:20.560 A text message chain between you and Victor?

01:16:23.420 And Chaz.

01:16:24.360 And Chaz, who is, just so my audience is aware, Chaz is his COO?

01:16:29.300 COO.

01:16:30.040 Victor marks the COO of All Things Possible.

01:16:32.660 Right, right.

01:16:33.440 Okay.

01:16:34.460 And what is it about that text chain that makes sense?

01:16:37.420 Because you've mentioned it, so I think we want to, like, hindsight is 20-20, but what element makes sense?

01:16:44.780 Like, you're looking at this message, you're going, aha, what?

01:16:49.780 Well, there was a point in there, and I don't remember which month it was, but, you know, I was in a suicide crisis for a moment.

01:17:00.440 and you know my message to the victor was hey i'm i'm in the parking lot of walmart

01:17:08.200 and you know i had bought this life insurance policy like seven years prior and i shopped

01:17:17.940 around for one that had a suicide allowance in it uh for that specific reason and um

01:17:28.760 and i knew you know i was sitting in that parking lot i was crying and

01:17:33.960 and uh said god's telling me that if i do this he's not going to take me

01:17:47.940 So, you know, Victor's response is, well, of course, don't do that.

01:17:56.420 You know, the lawyers, they'll always find a loophole.

01:18:00.500 Okay.

01:18:01.920 And the next message is, well, I can just have you disappeared. 0.95

01:18:07.780 I can have you knocked off. 0.95

01:18:09.200 I can have you knocked off or disappeared to a banana plantation in South America. 1.00

01:18:22.140 So you're in the parking lot. 0.90

01:18:23.820 You've said that you're going through the suicide crisis.

01:18:26.820 And that's what he comes back with.

01:18:28.500 And this is supposed to be your minister, pastor, spiritual director.

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01:21:00.160 And the reason why I'm encouraging you to talk about this is because he will use this against you.

01:21:05.420 And I also just want to say to you, like, you shouldn't feel weird about that.

01:21:11.240 That's the number one reason that men commit suicide.

01:21:13.660 This is why men have a higher suicide rate than women.

01:21:15.560 The financial pressure, the stress of finances is, there are going to be so many men watching this that can relate to that.

01:21:22.400 um and so when you kind of keep that inside and like i'm sure like you know i feel ashamed i'm

01:21:28.460 you know like all that stuff it's this is i feel like why he was able to manipulate you and why

01:21:34.040 he's so like well he's got mental health issues and first off knowing that this man is supposed

01:21:38.660 to be your spiritual director like mine's obviously my priest in london i couldn't imagine

01:21:44.040 my priest going on an instagram live no matter what happens like you don't know if i leave the

01:21:49.540 Catholic church and I become the enemy of the Catholic church. There is something that is so

01:21:56.520 violating about him coming out and saying, like, you're actually going to who you're supposed to

01:22:04.160 go to, right? And obviously you're Protestant. So you're thinking, this guy is telling me he's

01:22:10.880 a pastor. He married me. Like, this is the person when I am thinking I want to kill myself, that I

01:22:17.440 should be able to lock this into a box and he's going to talk me through this and remind me that

01:22:22.000 financial pressure comes and goes like i remember being having nine dollars in my bank account and

01:22:27.760 like sleeping in my car the feeling of that financial anxiety and what that can do it can

01:22:33.140 be so crippling and he's just using it against you but and with knowledge that that i was on thc i

01:22:40.840 was very open about it and asking for help for help um so this becomes sort of this entry point

01:22:48.540 of how he's just on the radio right now like well he's got mental health issues and well you know

01:22:53.560 try being broke and trying to figure everything out and i think everybody develops a little bit

01:22:57.100 of a mental health issue so i just wanted to just give you let you know that that's not something

01:23:02.720 that you he shouldn't have made you feel about that the way he made you feel about it i guess

01:23:07.600 in his mind he was joking but looking back at the totality of circumstances there was it was

01:23:15.360 something else going on there and um he didn't call you I mean I would just think that like if

01:23:21.280 somebody texted me and said hey I'm in a parking lot and like I'm thinking about killing myself

01:23:24.820 my instinct would be to call yeah not send a text and and you know I'll just

01:23:31.280 just go to say though that you know i was being told that

01:23:38.720 you can't do this because god won't take you so i'm telling him at the same time these are

01:23:47.840 thoughts going through my head but i'm not going to do it because you know it's not it's not going

01:23:55.100 to work out well for me if you know what i mean um but yeah the response was he didn't call

01:24:03.920 and the response was looking back on it it was manipulative

01:24:10.260 now for the record

01:24:13.460 after having studied scripture as much as i have since this time period forward

01:24:21.800 um i'm not suicidal put that on the record and i will not kill myself and i'm not having

01:24:33.280 suicidal thoughts so clear that you were having a low moment yep yeah and looking for a friend

01:24:40.900 or a spiritual director yeah a lot going on you know and i'm off substances you know i was able to

01:24:50.020 I did get off a month before, so in February I stopped THC in February of 25, so that's a year and a few months ago, and it took a while to detox from that.

01:25:07.560 but yeah

01:25:09.600 I returned to my

01:25:12.280 normal high functioning

01:25:14.280 self I would say

01:25:16.300 it took probably

01:25:18.380 nine months to fully

01:25:19.940 come back

01:25:20.820 so skipping over a bunch

01:25:24.340 of time there you know there was

01:25:26.540 there was a visit coming up

01:25:32.280 in April you know so this was

01:25:34.300 still compounding

01:25:35.640 Got rid of the THC in February-ish, but withdrawals are starting, leading up to April, and I'm still, you know, I'm having issues during this withdrawal cycle, and I tell Victor that, you know, I'm separating from my wife.

01:26:01.260 Financial issues, marital issues kind of tends to go hand in hand.

01:26:05.960 I think it's the number one reason for divorce.

01:26:07.860 Yeah, it is.

01:26:09.740 At least in my experience.

01:26:13.040 You've got a little bit of experience.

01:26:14.680 Got a little bit.

01:26:16.500 So he says, you know, I'll fly you up here.

01:26:24.460 And, you know, I don't fly up there.

01:26:27.120 I don't fly very much at all.

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01:27:09.300 You know, when I arrive, and I guess let me fill in the gap here. 0.94

01:27:18.460 so again

01:27:21.100 spiritual mentor relationship

01:27:23.960 at this point I'm off THC

01:27:27.780 I'm in the Bible

01:27:29.500 just studying the heck out of it

01:27:32.000 at the same time I'm supposed to be pivoting my business

01:27:36.540 to figure out how to

01:27:39.080 survive in this new market

01:27:41.040 and a lot going on

01:27:45.860 and

01:27:47.560 And as I'm doing more research in the Bible, I'm also seeing things that don't look right.

01:28:00.740 And so, and I'm particularly interested in, at this time, in deceptive Christianity.

01:28:08.840 and so i come across some what i consider to be false spiritual leaders in the in the christian

01:28:20.720 quote-unquote movement and i'm telling victor about what i'm finding

01:28:27.120 and uh you know he wants me to talk to chas about those things so i'm talking to chas too

01:28:35.680 and sending them what I'm finding

01:28:37.960 and to them I look like

01:28:40.780 I'm kind of in a panic mood

01:28:43.340 of discovery

01:28:47.020 and they're not really responsive

01:28:49.780 but they're just in their mind

01:28:51.480 they're like okay Corby's

01:28:52.640 going through all this stress

01:28:54.860 and he's talking about

01:28:56.340 separating from his wife

01:28:57.700 and he's coming off a THC

01:29:00.200 and you know well

01:29:03.240 we just need him here

01:29:04.600 and so

01:29:06.680 you know I get there

01:29:09.580 Colorado Springs

01:29:11.280 up at the hotel

01:29:12.860 pretty late at night

01:29:14.680 and

01:29:16.200 they meet me at the hotel

01:29:20.020 and we sit down

01:29:21.140 at the

01:29:21.840 at one of the dining tables

01:29:24.300 and

01:29:26.080 I notice they got bulletproof vests on

01:29:28.660 and once we sat down

01:29:31.560 like

01:29:31.980 I tapped on Victor's chest where it was, and he's like, yeah, we just got these in, and I'm breaking them in, and I was like, oh, cool, it's flexible, and he kind of shakes it around, and he's like, yeah, this thing is a little bit stiff right now, but it's a really nice vest.

01:29:54.880 like okay

01:29:56.200 I'm not

01:29:57.120 thinking anything

01:29:58.360 like I'm not

01:29:59.300 thinking

01:30:00.000 well

01:30:00.520 we'll get there

01:30:01.780 again

01:30:02.080 so

01:30:05.740 they can tell

01:30:08.100 I'm just like

01:30:08.780 worn out

01:30:09.520 I'm drained

01:30:10.520 and

01:30:12.220 Victor says

01:30:14.900 well you know

01:30:15.540 it kind of tells me

01:30:16.460 what we're going to do

01:30:18.060 the next day

01:30:18.780 and says that

01:30:20.720 we're going to do

01:30:21.560 another retooling

01:30:23.160 prayer

01:30:23.500 and I said

01:30:26.860 I was respectful

01:30:30.640 and I looked at him and I said

01:30:33.780 no I'm not doing another retooling prayer

01:30:36.800 I've figured out

01:30:39.560 how to get rid of my own sin

01:30:42.560 and so if I was to just keep coming back to you

01:30:48.600 for deliverance

01:30:51.800 and that would be me making an idol of you

01:30:54.680 and that would be worshiping you.

01:31:01.060 And I could see the grin on his face like he was annoyed,

01:31:06.920 but it was concealed enough that he just, he brushed it off,

01:31:13.460 didn't snap back or anything,

01:31:15.020 didn't say any kind of snarky comment back

01:31:20.460 and he just took it

01:31:21.860 and

01:31:24.300 so then he was telling me

01:31:28.800 about what they were doing that day

01:31:30.560 and it was some kind of

01:31:32.700 big event I didn't

01:31:34.460 look it up but what I heard was

01:31:36.720 there was 3500 men there

01:31:38.740 and they had

01:31:40.980 it was kind of like

01:31:41.920 some kind of spiritual manly

01:31:48.720 macho-ness of

01:31:50.300 of learning how to be warriors for christ or warriors for god or something like that and

01:31:58.040 men's retreat yeah yeah were they all veterans do you know i'm not sure i was

01:32:06.300 yeah i'm not sure but um nonetheless he told me about a board meeting well he was he was talking

01:32:16.700 to Chaz, really, but, you know, sitting right there, and he told me about some of the people

01:32:25.120 that were in this board meeting, perhaps it was like part call-in and part in-person,

01:32:32.500 but he was telling me some of the people that were part of this, and the name that come

01:32:40.220 up was Lance Wallnau, and Rex Green.

01:32:46.700 and you know those are two people that i had already seen and discovered that they were part

01:32:56.740 of this prosperity gospel um ultra charismatic type type movement nars new apostolic reformation

01:33:13.260 just come up in my research about traveling yeah yeah yeah so again i'm thinking you know hey i'm

01:33:19.900 going to do this dude a favor and kind of point these things out to them these you know the

01:33:26.240 doctrine that these people are preaching like i'm doing victor a favor and so i i'm at the hotel i'm

01:33:35.260 at i'm in my room at that point chaz is down down the hallway from me and uh you know i'm sending

01:33:42.680 chas all this stuff chas look at this guy look what he's teaching seven mountain mandate like

01:33:50.560 what we're not here to to make the world suitable for jesus christ to return it like that that's

01:34:01.560 not how it goes um taking over pillars of society are you kidding me like what are y'all doing

01:34:11.320 in organizations

01:34:13.160 with these people

01:34:14.060 and

01:34:16.600 so basically

01:34:19.020 no responses

01:34:20.240 you kicked the hornet's

01:34:23.500 with that one

01:34:24.160 real good

01:34:25.700 little did you know

01:34:29.300 little

01:34:29.960 very little

01:34:31.300 so

01:34:34.200 I go to Victor's the next day

01:34:37.320 I'm not doing any retooling

01:34:39.540 prayer

01:34:39.940 um so we're gonna basically do a detox resume and um walk around his track

01:34:48.540 and you know talk about all the things that i've been wanting to talk about

01:34:56.140 and he wouldn't really want to hear any of it so you know we would just kind of shift from

01:35:03.560 subject to subject we would talk about end times prophecy and we'd talk about um marriage

01:35:12.440 um and it's not to say that all of that advice that he gave me was bad it wasn't

01:35:20.800 you know it was it was a mixture it was a mixture of good advice and

01:35:25.580 like what are you thinking like we're still talking about guns to haiti

01:35:31.960 you brought it up again no yeah i was just being facetious but it was it was like that it was

01:35:40.100 it was always okay what's my next mission you know when can we get some more guns or

01:35:47.680 well the bigger topic was selling the business or getting an investor you know and actually you

01:35:57.580 know backing up probably back in december we had talked about hey we need an investor we need to

01:36:04.580 sell the business this is it was probably january actually so we need to sell the business you know

01:36:12.020 i'm having the suicidal issue i'm having the this and the that issue and hey this is time for me to

01:36:18.440 to move along and figure something else out let's get somebody to invest or or take it over

01:36:27.000 and so we had built up an investment package

01:36:31.920 and emailed financials

01:36:34.080 and Victor said that he had people looking at it

01:36:38.120 and you know like a $20 million valuation

01:36:42.620 for the business and patent

01:36:44.840 and you know it was all about it

01:36:48.920 you know just

01:36:50.260 and like acts for a bit

01:36:55.500 I mean, this has been almost 19 years of craziness, you know, just to, just to tell

01:37:03.980 you, Candace, this story with Victor is not even the craziest thing that's happened in

01:37:11.320 my life related to this business.

01:37:14.160 It's not, but it's right on up there.

01:37:20.120 So yeah, I'm there for, hey, let's talk about the business too.

01:37:24.080 I got all this other stuff I want to talk about but we got four days here I ended up saying three

01:37:29.520 did not stay the fourth day but uh we're talking about everything and um so as we're going with

01:37:41.000 this conversation well this first day was detox like I said he put me in this sauna that had like

01:37:48.920 this light thing frequency thing and it had all these colors on it and it was already clicking

01:37:57.540 like everything's clicking for me i'm recognizing stuff at this point and i look at it and it's like

01:38:03.100 got all these frequencies that you can select for healing certain issues with the body or mental or

01:38:08.500 whatever and it's a sauna you just get in it and turn to the light frequency you want and

01:38:14.540 sitting there for a while in my mind i'm going like dang that's new age like light frequencies

01:38:23.560 the hill like why are we doing this things are starting to click a little bit more a little bit

01:38:32.820 more anyways i get in it whatever i'm trying not to be rude i'm just trying to survive this trip

01:38:41.960 and so we um i do that we do some exercises we walk we talk um victor goes and does some other

01:38:55.600 stuff on the property and i think he left the property a couple times and left me with

01:39:00.980 as and bodyguard was there the whole time like within a few paces of me if we were walking he

01:39:07.840 was walking behind us and um everybody has their bulletproof vests on i don't see eileen anywhere

01:39:15.840 the whole time and um so the the third day is where most of the weirdness starts coming in and

01:39:32.240 showing itself and so third day we're we're walking around the track and he's telling me that uh

01:39:38.680 we're talking about business at this point and um he tells me that

01:39:46.640 well sig sower is going to be involved in this acquisition but he didn't want to say details

01:39:55.580 like okay well you know they're a big company they can afford it it'd probably be a good

01:40:00.380 technology for them and um I know that they're in law enforcement so they'd be down with the school

01:40:06.900 resource officer mission you know surely you know that was a condition was hey SROs you got to be

01:40:13.540 committed to that um and then you know enough money to work not that we didn't have to work

01:40:21.260 but that we wouldn't have to run that run the business um and we would have breathing space

01:40:29.580 to not have to work you know a regular job if we didn't want to and not necessarily for us of our

01:40:36.140 life but just like good breathing space that was the conditions which is kind of wide open right

01:40:44.380 and um so he tells me that six hours involved he tells me that daniel horner got one of my full

01:40:53.080 ars and who's the top shooter in the world that shoots for sig he got a full dr and he's david

01:41:00.260 the thumbs up uh to victor who victor represented had a personal relationship with him um and uh

01:41:10.460 so like everything's falling into place and i'm kind of you know this this could be a good thing

01:41:17.380 And then Victor tells me what he really wants to do.

01:41:22.740 And he's like, tells me, you know, 51%, and we could only come up with a valuation of $2 million.

01:41:33.400 And—

01:41:33.800 This is so crazy.

01:41:34.980 You know, just for transparency, I put $2 million into it at the start.

01:41:43.680 It's just mind-boggling that he would even try it.

01:41:46.380 but he must really think that you were under his spell.

01:41:50.600 Well, I was coming out of it.

01:41:56.240 And really it could be said that I'm not fully out of it even today.

01:42:01.720 But, yeah, $2 million valuation, and he wanted 51%,

01:42:06.380 which meant that he was going to put a little over a million in

01:42:10.240 and take control of the company.

01:42:12.340 And I said, well, you know, the, the money really isn't the biggest, it is a big issue, but like the money isn't the biggest issue.

01:42:24.600 It is the 51% and you're wanting the patent.

01:42:34.280 I didn't say no, though.

01:42:36.800 Didn't say no.

01:42:37.640 so my response was

01:42:42.760 well you're too busy

01:42:43.540 and

01:42:46.860 he said well yeah I am

01:42:51.020 busy but

01:42:52.520 you know with my connection

01:42:54.780 and this and that

01:42:57.020 that you'll be able to

01:42:59.020 manufacture without so much

01:43:00.940 stress

01:43:01.500 and

01:43:03.240 you know we'll be behind you

01:43:07.020 for for funding essentially but you know not really disclosing what that meant so i've been

01:43:15.340 down this road before um so again i didn't reject it and we went for another walk

01:43:23.460 and so we just continued talking about it i remember one thing

01:43:27.940 you know what i was wanting to do and me and my wife were wanting to do was be a part of

01:43:34.100 the actual mission like we in our minds we were thinking if we're not working the company

01:43:40.500 non-stop then we want to be part of the mission the atp mission like where do we fit in

01:43:48.580 and they said well your wife you know that that's an easy you know we got orphanages like

01:43:58.560 it'd be perfect for her but for you like you're just such an outlier i don't really know i'm not

01:44:06.400 saying you don't fit anywhere it's just like i could would have to figure that out like okay well

01:44:12.360 keep talking then and so we're walking around the track up at the top where there's this camera tower

01:44:19.960 and um you know we're walking and he's saying well israel israel needs your guns

01:44:28.180 and that's you know that's when he stops walking i stop and then he tells the

01:44:35.660 he tells the bodyguard to step back a few paces and um you know i stop and i'm i'm looking at him

01:44:47.080 and i say well yeah that you know that they have 3700 schools they're gonna put an idf guy in

01:44:53.760 each of the schools

01:44:54.880 and he

01:44:56.720 he's looking at me

01:44:57.640 he says no

01:44:58.340 they need

01:44:59.120 50,000

01:45:00.280 for the IDF

01:45:01.820 for operations

01:45:03.200 in

01:45:03.620 Gaza

01:45:04.240 and

01:45:04.760 Lebanon

01:45:06.620 and Syria

01:45:07.360 so I'm just

01:45:09.460 at this point

01:45:10.300 like it's too many

01:45:11.860 too many red flags

01:45:13.820 for me

01:45:14.260 and I'm just staring at him

01:45:15.780 and

01:45:16.020 he's staring back

01:45:17.820 and

01:45:19.160 he finally

01:45:22.200 starts walking again

01:45:25.180 after 15 or so seconds

01:45:27.340 and he says

01:45:28.380 you know that's why

01:45:29.620 I'm not ever

01:45:30.060 engaging in scripture

01:45:32.040 with you

01:45:32.520 and

01:45:34.680 I walk

01:45:36.080 start walking along

01:45:37.000 with him

01:45:37.400 and I'm just wondering

01:45:38.180 in my head

01:45:38.620 like wow

01:45:39.260 that

01:45:40.600 that

01:45:41.960 that's

01:45:43.340 scripture

01:45:44.320 got to do with

01:45:45.440 with guns

01:45:48.020 the IDF

01:45:49.740 and

01:45:51.720 And I'm not against IDF.

01:45:57.660 It's just what you're saying is that all the guns have to go to the, like, what about the school mission?

01:46:07.060 Like, we agreed that this rifle is designed to protect kids and schools.

01:46:14.080 So if 50,000 are going, like, who's going to make those?

01:46:17.640 How long is it going to take?

01:46:18.820 and, like, how are we going to get guns on the back of SROs here?

01:46:23.900 All going on in my head.

01:46:26.940 And just confused about the whole situation.

01:46:30.420 Like, where did this get so far off track?

01:46:35.480 And so, again, like, that was the moment that I was done,

01:46:41.920 but I didn't say it.

01:46:43.220 And so, you know, we're walking around and I just, yeah, it's just a, it's a blur at that point.

01:47:04.160 I don't even know how, I don't know how I left.

01:47:10.140 This is also when he says to you, I think that I could, not I could beat you up, but what he admitted to, he did say.

01:47:19.520 Oh, yeah, my goodness.

01:47:21.040 The big part.

01:47:22.540 Good grief.

01:47:24.720 Yeah.

01:47:25.200 Yeah, so the 3,700 gun, I said 3,700 schools.

01:47:30.620 Yeah, that's great.

01:47:32.920 3,700 schools in Israel.

01:47:35.340 and he says no 50,000 guns and the idea for the operations in Gaza, Lebanon and Syria 0.99

01:47:48.220 and that's, you know, our stare off and he says, you know, I could whoop your ass 0.98

01:47:55.860 and there ain't nothing you could do about it and inside I'm kind of laughing 0.98

01:48:02.060 but I'm keeping a face a straight face and and not doing it like I made sure to keep looking at him

01:48:09.980 right and and uh that's when he said you know we're that's why I'm never engaging in scripture

01:48:18.640 with you yeah yeah that was yeah like like 10 things are happening in this sequence and it's

01:48:28.500 just talking and you know thinking back of it like why did we stop right into the camera right

01:48:35.120 like was he trying to get me to come at him or or what i think the whole weekend was kind of

01:48:43.440 designed to intimidate you i mean from wearing they're all wearing the look why you know him

01:48:48.900 he's supposed to be a friend of yours we're just breaking these in that feel like it just kind of

01:48:52.700 feels like a military presence so it's kind of and again this is my opinion but like it's supposed

01:48:58.160 to subconsciously wrap you in this idea like we're we are a force and you're here alone you don't

01:49:05.700 have your wife here eileen's not here just feels very staged yeah yeah just hearing it that's what

01:49:13.880 it feels like to me yeah and it was and then he's leading up to this big question on the third day 0.99

01:49:20.360 no one's here i could kick your butt and um the idf wants this and you need the money sort of a 0.96

01:49:27.200 you know you're desperate and you know this is what we can do this is what your company's worth 0.99

01:49:32.040 it's it's quite intimidating yeah yeah or meant to be intimidating i mean i would say i wouldn't

01:49:38.800 say traumatic but you know again you got to remember like just four three months prior i was

01:49:46.520 in this suicide crisis i was coming off of thc i was engaged in scripture and then like all these

01:49:56.340 red flags are popping up and then and then that yeah and so yeah as you know that's basically the

01:50:06.040 end of the day for the third day and um you know we left on good terms i didn't

01:50:14.340 never had one like crosswise conversation with him

01:50:18.500 um i think you mentioned something about like a threatening innuendo and just

01:50:26.960 yeah that's what no yeah that's it didn't even register as plausible given the fact that you

01:50:33.360 were on his property he's got his guys that i was like no like i mean who would try to size up and

01:50:39.560 then be like yeah no i'm gonna take you on your own property with your own men all around with

01:50:43.280 cameras in front that didn't sound right to me but uh yeah and we did and we did go into the

01:50:48.640 uh rec room and was kicking around the bags and everything stretching and um doing this and that

01:50:56.760 but you know he said he he looked down like a puppy because he even admitted that he made that

01:51:03.600 threat and see i just like blocked that out of my mind just then crazy but um looked down like a

01:51:12.300 puppy like no that's not me i don't i don't like to fight i don't fight but um that was kind of

01:51:23.460 that was kind of a low blue yeah still kind of making you feel small yeah yeah so you get out

01:51:31.960 of there a day early and what happens thereafter you're kind of not realizing what this is maybe

01:51:40.220 be kind of adjacent to this sort of nars cult uh yeah nar cult or yeah new apostolic reformation

01:51:47.680 something i really didn't i still thought in my mind that the that victor was just unaware

01:51:55.480 all the way all the way through this point just unaware of of what he was involved with that's

01:52:04.300 how how deep that bond had become or or whatever you want to call that yeah you can't see what's

01:52:14.580 right in front of you yeah yeah exactly yeah and um so I'll leave I'll leave the property and I'm

01:52:22.300 staying in Colorado for another month and so I go get Airbnbs jump around a little bit I do a demo

01:52:31.380 at uh douglas county i just drove up to douglas county sheriff's department and

01:52:36.880 and walked in with my old AR on my back it's a huge huge department like 600 officers i just

01:52:45.040 walk in with my full AR and you know declare it and they find me the guy to talk to out of this

01:52:51.240 huge

01:52:53.280 police force

01:52:56.040 and the dude was just

01:52:58.460 blown away by it

01:53:00.380 had never seen it

01:53:01.400 we got a demo set up

01:53:02.700 the next week

01:53:03.520 came out

01:53:04.880 and did a demo for them

01:53:06.500 and

01:53:06.860 SWAT team came out

01:53:08.200 SROs came out

01:53:09.440 several of the other

01:53:12.080 like armory guys

01:53:13.180 and

01:53:13.480 they just loved it

01:53:14.900 so that's what I love doing

01:53:17.080 by the way

01:53:17.620 is

01:53:17.880 you know I'm not

01:53:19.700 a combat guy

01:53:20.740 but

01:53:21.120 i will show anybody how to deploy the fault they are especially sros and le guys and i'm really

01:53:29.120 good at it and i can talk them through the product and demonstrate really well and that's what i

01:53:34.700 enjoy most so that was that was a good thing that i was able to do while i was still there but i was

01:53:41.140 there i'd already set up intensive counseling and victor knew about it i think he said that he paid

01:53:48.580 for the counseling

01:53:49.700 did not

01:53:51.700 I paid all of it

01:53:54.740 it was $13,000

01:53:56.260 with the counseling

01:53:58.560 in the room

01:54:00.300 but I don't know why he said that he paid for it

01:54:04.760 he didn't

01:54:05.480 so my wife did 0.65

01:54:08.740 come up it was set up for individual 0.99

01:54:10.940 counseling for me

01:54:12.320 as an intensive two week

01:54:14.620 deal

01:54:15.640 um 1.00

01:54:17.300 and i pressured her into coming like we got to do marriage counseling and so she did come up

01:54:27.920 we went through it uh did well and ended up getting back home and and um

01:54:39.880 yeah i mean that's kind of the history of the last visit for victor mark

01:54:47.460 so i want to uh also interject that in this same timeline you did have one of your fold ars went

01:54:58.280 missing and it's just relevant to bring this forward to i i think kind of just an interesting

01:55:04.460 kind of just interesting certainly is interesting you um you went out to sell an ar and i want to

01:55:13.820 get the timeline right this is june of 2024 okay so that one that one was june 24 that was an

01:55:21.360 online purchase that we shipped to a gun store in texas okay it's not an in person it was not in

01:55:28.380 person and it was for a police officer um down in texas and then you kind of got a phone call

01:55:34.920 i know i already told my audiences but you get a phone call from the officer less than a month

01:55:40.080 later about a month later maybe just over a month later uh that the weapon was stolen out of his

01:55:46.220 vehicle in while he was in midland texas right and he gave you the case number or the report number

01:55:56.200 Yeah, and he didn't call me.

01:55:58.200 Just scribble on a piece of paper.

01:55:59.080 Yeah, when the incident happened, I didn't know about it.

01:56:03.980 Oh.

01:56:05.260 But he, yeah, and on July the 4th, it was stolen.

01:56:11.100 Mm-hmm.

01:56:11.720 Purchased it in June.

01:56:13.460 We shipped it to his gun shop in June also, late June.

01:56:20.720 And on July 4th, it was stolen in Midland out of his vehicle.

01:56:24.800 Mm-hmm.

01:56:25.140 And then he notified the Midland Police Department, took a report, serial number, and a report number.

01:56:35.660 So he didn't give you that report number?

01:56:39.660 Not during then.

01:56:41.900 Actually, it was only a few weeks ago.

01:56:45.860 Okay, so you actually didn't know that it had been stolen until a couple of weeks ago?

01:56:52.160 No.

01:56:52.540 After the ATF?

01:56:53.380 I got the ATF trace on September the 10th.

01:56:56.580 Okay, so just to kind of get our ducks in a row here, June 2024, it's an online sale.

01:57:04.880 It's going to a police officer in Texas.

01:57:06.980 The police officer loses, does not inform you, but gets the gun stolen from him, I should say.

01:57:13.080 In Midland, Texas, the story is, he says, which you'll find out later, is that there is, his window was open or something.

01:57:19.560 while he went into the gas station.

01:57:21.480 Someone grabbed it and he called the police,

01:57:25.020 the local police, obviously he's a police officer,

01:57:26.880 but not in Midland,

01:57:27.800 and filed a report for this missing gun.

01:57:31.200 You actually did not find out right away.

01:57:33.740 You did not know at all that this gun was missing

01:57:37.960 or had been stolen until what next happens

01:57:42.560 is on the day that Charlie was killed.

01:57:47.860 Oh, that's an interesting thing.

01:57:48.880 i thought that you found out immediately that he just kind of gave you hey just a heads up or

01:57:52.580 whatever okay that's interesting so on september 10th you get this email which we are going to show

01:58:01.540 um which is from the atf which they are performing is something that's called a an atf trace what i've

01:58:09.580 explained to my audience is that uh when they do this trace it's because this weapon has popped up

01:58:16.160 typically in always I think in a crime and they're trying to trace the gun and who's the

01:58:23.360 manufacturer who sold the gun I guess sort of whose hands have crossed it am I describing that

01:58:27.760 correctly right and you have 24 hours to respond to this email right or I don't know I guess they

01:58:34.080 swing in the doors I don't know what happens actually but if you but if you missed deadline

01:58:36.540 but you know you're not going to test that out right so you instantly respond to the email

01:58:40.860 obviously this is now uh on the morning of Charlie Kirk's assassination which is definitely

01:58:45.580 interesting. It's definitely something that piqued your interest of, okay, I got this trace and

01:58:51.840 suddenly this gun that I think is all good and belongs to a police officer in Texas is coming

01:58:56.600 up in an ATF trace. This is really interesting. I did not realize, appreciate this when you first

01:59:02.020 told me the story. I thought you, police officer, had instantly informed you. So you're thinking

01:59:05.840 that's kind of weird. I now know that this gun is potentially being, been used in a crime. What

01:59:11.380 happened to this gun you contact the person that you sold it to a police officer and much later

01:59:19.140 much later nomadate of charlie's assassination i'm sure because you just don't know what to

01:59:22.960 think of this obviously a lot's going on how much later ish doesn't need to be perfect

01:59:27.220 a couple months couple weeks because it's kind of in the back of your head like that was weird

01:59:35.300 It was about, I would say, about four weeks ago from today, a month ago.

01:59:42.700 So very recently.

01:59:44.000 Yeah.

01:59:44.540 Because it's just kind of in the back of your mind, like, that was a weird thing.

01:59:47.260 And I don't know why this would be involved in a crime at all, because this is, I sold it to a police officer.

01:59:52.300 Feels kind of safe.

01:59:53.940 And at that moment, did you leave a message on his phone when you called?

01:59:57.180 Did he pick up instantly?

01:59:58.900 He picked up instantly.

02:00:00.480 Okay.

02:00:01.620 And he told you the story of, oh, actually, that's so funny that you say that.

02:00:08.580 And you ask him, hey, did the ATF call you?

02:00:10.860 He tells you the ATF did not call him, actually.

02:00:15.180 They called you and.

02:00:17.420 Well, they didn't call me.

02:00:18.480 They emailed you.

02:00:20.060 They did not email him or trace anything with him.

02:00:23.020 How weird.

02:00:24.320 Actually, what happened was I actually lost that gun at a gas station because somebody took it from me.

02:00:29.460 i called the police and then he gives you the report number after you hang up the phone

02:00:36.360 yeah i sent it in a text message okay and we can show that this this text message that you received

02:00:43.120 of the report number uh he you feel confident when you're talking to him that he's telling

02:00:49.360 you the truth i think you told me that you felt like yeah i felt like he was telling the truth

02:00:54.320 Okay. I had I will say I had trouble with the story. I've already expressed that to my audiences just because I go off of vibes sometimes. And for me, when I heard the story of like a police officer, you know, calling the police, that's a police officers tend to be embarrassed if they get something taken from them.

02:01:15.360 It's like, we're the police officers are supposed to stop the crime. And then it happens to us and they get all proud. And I'm going to hunt this guy and kick down. You know, they kind of are excessive when it happens to them or someone that they love or in their immediate circle. Even if you cut off a police officer, suddenly they're like giving you the worst ticket ever. You know, it's like I'm a police officer and you violate the laws.

02:01:35.640 i found it even more unusual and again i'm speculating here but i just am familiar with

02:01:43.260 midland's incredibly wealthy area because of the oil um and i thought it was very strange

02:01:50.100 that a gas station wouldn't have cameras and you had asked him about that and i what was the reason

02:01:57.760 he told that he didn't they the cameras weren't facing or they didn't have footage what was the

02:02:02.620 Yeah, I think it did have cameras and he did. He told me that he did go in and check, but they couldn't see the visual of it, I guess, at the angle the vehicle was parked or wherever it was parked at. But it didn't tell me too much about that.

02:02:18.600 Yeah, I struggled with that a little bit. I'm going to be honest. It's a gas station, wealthy area. I just felt that would not be too likely. And then also just a lot of unlikely things that happened there.

02:02:32.820 so but i did say i have not uh had the time yet to reach out which i'm going to do

02:02:37.740 to hear that story there's something about it that just instantly strikes me as very

02:02:44.280 odd um for whatever reason that strikes me as very odd and i don't know this i'll ask you the

02:02:50.960 question in that typical scenario shouldn't they have done the trace on him first so they do the

02:02:58.260 trace on the manufacturer, then it went to a gun store.

02:03:04.400 That he has his gun sent to.

02:03:05.980 And then they're supposed to trace through the same trace for the same serial to that

02:03:11.380 gun store.

02:03:12.700 And then that gun store would tell them, okay, we sold it to this person.

02:03:19.820 Here's their phone number and address.

02:03:21.860 Did the gun store, did you call the gun store?

02:03:24.340 No, I didn't.

02:03:25.020 Okay.

02:03:25.180 so that's something that is could definitely be chased down okay I'm definitely gonna take a look

02:03:31.280 into that I do find that to be as you did this for the same reasons just like oh that's kind of

02:03:36.540 precise timing and it also is sort of you know the timeline that I don't have just a lot going

02:03:44.780 on at that in that timeline in 2024 so we'll see um but that is that definitely was of interest to

02:03:50.780 me of just a lot of planes were coming out of Texas that day in general, I think is why it kind

02:03:55.800 of also flagged me as weird as just looking into the Charlie Kirk assassination and things of that

02:04:01.700 nature. And then kind of this weird connection with Victor's like trying to get these guns from

02:04:07.620 you in that time frame for different things. And he's giving you the Haiti spiel. But now I'm in

02:04:13.860 contact with someone from Haiti who knows Victor Marx, and it's just getting even more interesting.

02:04:19.500 I don't think anybody really knows Victor Marks.

02:04:21.620 I was, that person shared with me messages.

02:04:23.580 I was surprised to learn that his backstory about being abused by his dad, his dad being named Karl Marx, I guess it was right there, but I didn't know that Karl Marx was Jewish.

02:04:32.720 This Karl Marx's dad, that was something that came across in text messages that were given to me. 0.66

02:04:39.820 That he's quite defensive about Israel, is what I would say. 0.76

02:04:45.300 He is similarly how he...

02:04:47.720 kind of got real serious with you when it came to the IDF.

02:04:51.240 He similarly got serious with this other individual

02:04:53.440 who is interested in speaking out,

02:04:55.900 who was his liaison to Jimmy Barbecue in Haiti.

02:05:01.020 And similarly, this person kind of did some one-off comment about Israel,

02:05:06.280 and he met a different Victor Marx, is what I would say,

02:05:10.640 who was like, what if I told you my dad's Jewish?

02:05:15.060 and don't ever say that ever again so there's a lot that's compelling to me and something that

02:05:23.100 i hadn't shared before with my audiences is that he was uh charlie kirk stopped speaking to victor

02:05:28.920 marks entirely their relationship i mean like unfollowed each other i've spoken to several

02:05:34.520 people about this they didn't know what the falling out was about but there was a very big

02:05:40.740 falling out between charlie and victor marx and you know what time frame uh well it all had to

02:05:47.560 happen in the same season because victor marx was not in it i don't know the time frame i will find

02:05:53.420 out and he had completely stopped talking to him they had stopped following each other and i'm

02:05:57.820 wondering you know how then his wife was so close to eileen and victor that that's one of the first

02:06:06.100 people that she wants to hug and connect with after the assassination. And he also happened

02:06:13.080 to be the first person that we can find that announced that Charlie Kirk was dead and then

02:06:19.120 removed that video. I just find that to be really interesting. And hopefully we will get some

02:06:26.200 answers from Victor Marks about what his falling out was with Charlie Kirk, if that was ever

02:06:30.800 patched out actually i don't know if it was um his relationship with erica makes me uncomfortable

02:06:37.340 given the fact that i had already arrived at a question mark about the egyptian planes

02:06:43.340 my thesis was that they were trafficking weapons um based off of the pattern over three years

02:06:50.060 beginning in the same time frame that you're discussing in 2023 and

02:06:55.060 she happens to have a proximity to a lot of pastors that have interesting pasts and

02:07:03.340 presents and always a finger on trafficking charities. And I find that not to be coincidental.

02:07:12.140 I don't find that to be coincidental. And I just don't think it's possible. I don't think it's

02:07:18.640 possible that everybody can be doing charity in the same way for orphanages and wanting to stop

02:07:23.580 human trafficking and the Jimmy barbecue story was interesting because of also Tim Ballard

02:07:29.960 and Operation Underground I don't know if you're familiar with them a little bit yeah I um had

02:07:38.340 interviewed him had heard the story totally fell for the story that he was helping these victims

02:07:44.280 and then he arrived in a massive scandal where people were saying no that's not actually what

02:07:48.000 he was doing overseas. And so it's another piece that I need to put together. But there just sort

02:07:54.680 of seems to be a lot of these connecting themes with, you know, my heart's in the right place.

02:08:03.320 I'm doing charity. I'm doing this. This is the theme of the charity. I'm protecting orphanages.

02:08:07.920 And I think that there potentially could be more here. And I think the biggest theme and the one

02:08:16.800 that's the most upsetting in listening to your story. The current that runs through all of this

02:08:22.120 is this faux faith. And it feels like the entire world was given this retooling prayer,

02:08:31.200 so to speak, after Charlie died. I feel like we went through that, but publicly, where suddenly

02:08:38.520 we're being told, this is all God ordained, and this is who you have to follow, and this is who

02:08:43.380 you need to listen to and if you question this you've got demons on you and you it this is i

02:08:49.620 think um what was so compelling about your story because it was a a microcosm of what we have seen

02:08:56.440 happen since charlie um passed away and we have this victor marx connection and i find the manner

02:09:05.460 in which he dealt with you to be sort of the manner in which turning point the stage everything

02:09:12.940 They have dealt with us publicly like this is what God has ordained and nobody should question this. And yet we all feel the darkness. Everyone, collectively, the world feels a darkness there outside of the little bubble of the mainstream media that's trying to conduct the retooling prayer on us.

02:09:29.640 um yeah i want to say that i want to say that there is you are what you perceived

02:09:36.240 in february april that faith is being manipulated and it is not for light forces it is for dark

02:09:45.040 forces people are going to feel that and and i i felt so seen when i was reading your story

02:09:53.720 and realizing what we're actually looking at here is dark psychiatry this is this is dark

02:09:58.100 it's psychiatry it's manipulative you had um used the term when we were discussing which i think

02:10:05.580 many people are familiar with which is darvo you want to talk about what darvo is in case they're

02:10:10.360 not well yeah um this is something i just learned over the past few days is a darvo

02:10:18.020 So, if I can remember properly, it stands for deny, attack, reverse, victim.

02:10:27.880 Victim and offender.

02:10:28.820 And offender, yeah.

02:10:31.040 So, the perpetrator denies what you're accusing him of.

02:10:38.340 He attacks you.

02:10:40.200 And then he reverses the roles of victim and accuser.

02:10:45.460 And when I say that we are going through this on a large scale, and it was exactly how I just my experience with Turning Point after. When you walked in tonight, I was on the phone with actually the president of the University of Georgia. And she and this is for the sorry for the Turning Point USA chapter. And there had just been this situation where Erica wasn't going because the crowd size and she said that was it. It was it was the crowd size.

02:11:13.320 we told them that it wasn't going to be a big crowd we were concerned the entire time we had

02:11:17.940 communicated this to them that people didn't want to go conservatives didn't want to go

02:11:21.660 because they don't like erica and they told us to keep going keep going and then erica abandons

02:11:27.780 that commitment in the last moment and they get on stage and they blame the world like you know

02:11:32.840 it's like you didn't show up for your commitment and now you're telling the world that she had

02:11:36.620 death attacks or like you know death threats and that wasn't true and and so the students are

02:11:41.340 resigning. She's resigning her post. And she said, I examine the same psychological tactics.

02:11:49.400 There needs to be a broader discussion about that. There just needs to be a broader discussion

02:11:52.760 about that. And so there is sort of this nucleus. And I shouldn't even call it nucleus. This is so

02:12:00.700 unhealthy. There's a really unhealthy cell here that's building with faith. It's not really faith.

02:12:06.380 it's a cult i think it's actually a cult in practice is what he was doing that i think there

02:12:11.660 was a father if you actually spoke to a priest about everything that happened i was watching

02:12:17.400 an interview with father ripperger i don't know if you got to see that i did yeah incredible it

02:12:22.540 was incredible to hear him speak about some of those things i found it to be incredible and i

02:12:26.020 haven't even finished it um i want to pivot to this weapon story though because again talking

02:12:32.760 about everyone in erica's orbit i had just covered that her mother similarly was trying to buy or get

02:12:39.460 involved get the patent i should say for uh another gun company unique gun company which could hold

02:12:46.940 uh different bullet types in each chamber i know i'm terrible at speaking about guns you're smirking

02:12:52.720 here what what do we get the cylinder yeah haha different rifling in each in each cylinder which

02:12:57.940 is super unique and when i said that to you upstairs like that's very interesting your gun

02:13:04.340 can fold this gun would be the first to do this and laurie was having this meeting it ended up

02:13:11.360 not panning out but her erica showed up and they were interested in this in this company or this

02:13:16.640 patent rather it wasn't actually made and i thought what is it what do you think it is about these

02:13:21.200 super unique guns that they're interested in and i would like to hear your perspective

02:13:25.920 and to talk about september 10th because i think if there was a shot fired could it have been

02:13:32.880 closer could somebody have had it in their backpack again we're surmising here we are

02:13:36.420 totally not saying this is how it went down but it certainly makes for a compelling conversation

02:13:41.040 yeah so so that uh i got to see a video rendition of what the product that you're talking about it

02:13:50.140 looks like a revolver and it seemed to have multiple chambers um that each have different

02:13:58.020 calibers built into it and uh typically that would be like a handgun style firearm but

02:14:07.000 um you know you just extend the the cylinder so to speak out further and put a stock on it and

02:14:15.400 whatnot and then it could be configured as some kind of shoulder fired weapon and in theory you

02:14:21.980 could have i don't know up to 10 or 15 or more uh different calibers in it and so i've never seen

02:14:32.400 that product in the marketplace i suppose it didn't hasn't been manufactured yet no commercialization

02:14:37.900 there as far as the patent goes i'm not i've never seen it before but um he did secure the patent

02:14:44.520 three years it took

02:14:45.880 when he's got the patent

02:14:46.640 correct

02:14:47.040 I would say this

02:14:49.220 so

02:14:50.560 the Fold AR

02:14:53.040 has several

02:14:56.140 unique features to it

02:14:57.460 one being that

02:14:58.560 it can fold obviously

02:14:59.460 and

02:15:00.040 the other

02:15:01.040 that is not so obvious

02:15:02.440 is the

02:15:03.160 quick change

02:15:04.140 barrel system

02:15:05.020 and so

02:15:07.000 with just a

02:15:08.720 push of a pin

02:15:09.640 you can take

02:15:11.020 the entire barrel

02:15:11.840 system off

02:15:12.700 and swap it

02:15:14.520 with a different barrel system of a different length or caliber and so in the in the uh in the

02:15:21.920 case of the ar-15 the most common calibers are 5.56 or 223 same caliber there and 300 blackout

02:15:33.140 so um we sell proportionately 60 to 40 you know 60 percent the 5.56 and maybe 40 percent

02:15:44.380 300 blackout and so it's very common being that the ballistics report of the shooting say 30 caliber

02:15:56.460 that doesn't necessarily mean 30 optics and so it could be a number of 30 caliber which is the

02:16:03.940 diameter 0.30 inches it could be any number of different uh cartridges but all 30 caliber

02:16:15.060 and so that matches a 300 blackout profile and so

02:16:19.500 in my opinion why

02:16:24.880 um maybe certain countries would want a

02:16:31.440 barrel

02:16:34.080 system

02:16:35.000 changeable

02:16:35.800 rifle

02:16:36.380 I mean

02:16:36.900 it's twofold

02:16:37.600 one is

02:16:38.720 one is

02:16:43.300 for 0.86

02:16:43.480 assassinations

02:16:44.340 yeah

02:16:45.560 and

02:16:48.880 so here's

02:16:50.060 here's the

02:16:50.480 scenario

02:16:50.940 again

02:16:53.140 speculation

02:16:54.000 I'm not

02:16:55.000 hanging my

02:16:55.400 hat on this

02:16:55.960 right

02:16:56.180 we don't

02:16:57.060 see much

02:16:57.800 evidence

02:16:58.600 we see a

02:16:59.340 few things

02:16:59.900 um but the scenario is you have a backpack you have a rifle that fits in it and it would not

02:17:12.840 necessarily have to be a fold AR there are some other models where you can take the barrel off

02:17:20.340 with different means, but they're not very popular.

02:17:26.980 In the case of a Fold AR,

02:17:29.120 you could have the folded rifle in a backpack

02:17:31.880 and another barrel system in it.

02:17:35.800 And so you get to a shooting position,

02:17:39.480 you take the rifle out, 0.94

02:17:41.920 you unfold it, latch it, take your shot,

02:17:45.360 You fold it, pop the pin, take that barrel system off, grab the other barrel system that's in the backpack, connect it to the receiver set, throw the other barrel, the freshly shot barrel system, back in the backpack or wrapped around a towel.

02:18:07.960 and you either leave the gun there

02:18:11.760 and you take the backpack and the towel

02:18:15.560 and the barrel system with you

02:18:17.500 and jump off a building

02:18:18.760 or you put it all back together in the backpack

02:18:24.280 and go put the entire unit somewhere else.

02:18:29.680 So, the reason behind that.

02:18:32.480 If...

02:18:37.960 If you're wanting to get away with the assassination, then you shoot a bullet out of one system, one barrel system, and then you swap it over to another, and your bullet profile doesn't match.

02:18:53.280 As long as you get one of those components out of the mix, then you're effectively scot-free.

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02:21:02.540 Let me ask you a question, silly question, but I'm allowed, I think.

02:21:09.340 One of the things, obviously, that's been the biggest discoveries in this is that the bull didn't go through, right?

02:21:14.100 So this is why people really struggled with the 30-06, because, you know, it would take down a moose.

02:21:20.280 um is the 30 any 30 scenario would that be different

02:21:28.200 as someone who's not familiar with different bullets and what they can do which would be me

02:21:35.620 and i think a lot of other people as well like that was that's something that to me feels like

02:21:40.820 it would have to be a lot smaller um so

02:21:45.960 there's a lot of schools of thought around this and i'm not a ballistics expert i'm a compact

02:21:54.860 weapons expert on the air platform but um ballistics i've seen a lot i've i've shot a lot

02:22:03.960 but you know i don't do that every day you know that's that's that's my qualification there however

02:22:12.380 um i do know that 300 blackout especially a subsonic

02:22:19.000 um has a much higher probability of not going through than a 30-06 now can i ask what a

02:22:29.580 subsonic is subsonic is usually charged well always charged with a lesser burning powder

02:22:37.700 and so it'll travel ideally below the sound barrier which is going to be around

02:22:46.460 so literally subsonic sound yeah okay 950 feet per second plus or minus depending on

02:22:52.460 temperature elevation all that and so um i wasn't there so i didn't hear the gunshot and of course

02:23:01.000 hearing it through phones and audio devices isn't the same a lot of people can tell the difference

02:23:08.180 right off the bat between subsonic and supersonic um also there were speakers there there's one

02:23:14.080 theory that they played a sound that was different well another one escaped i mean there's a thousand

02:23:18.120 different i i there's so many theories out there but um people would be able to tell a difference

02:23:21.840 between the subsonic is the main point okay and so with and i'll just describe you know the most

02:23:29.200 likely ballistic profile that i would uh be looking at for this type of dan and i don't see

02:23:36.240 the body i'm just here i haven't even seen pictures i saw you know the immediate aftermath

02:23:43.720 of those videos but we haven't seen you know the body uh so just again if there was no exit

02:23:53.340 and there was a fragment of the bullet found in the body

02:23:58.000 and I think I heard somewhere that there was other lead fragments found inside.

02:24:03.560 I don't know if that's true or not.

02:24:06.080 But what you're looking at is potentially a subsonic 300 blackout

02:24:17.980 that perhaps wasn't shot

02:24:21.540 with the suppressor installed on it

02:24:23.560 and did not go through

02:24:28.680 and separated when it hit

02:24:30.760 and a piece of the jacket

02:24:33.000 coming off and separating

02:24:35.020 and again though

02:24:39.140 if there is no exit wound

02:24:41.060 you're going to find

02:24:42.540 all the bullet fragments inside

02:24:44.680 and you'll be able to weigh it

02:24:47.980 and uh you'll tell exactly or pretty close how much that bullet originally weighed after you

02:24:55.680 get all the pieces together and so um if it is true that no fragments left the body then it will

02:25:05.040 all be there that's yeah it's gotta all be there it's an autopsy and so maybe we're not seeing the

02:25:10.180 whole picture maybe some fragments did exit somewhere i don't know um but i could see a 300

02:25:18.960 blackout doing that even a supersonic blackout could possibly

02:25:24.740 um still remain completely inside the body and separate and not penetrate through

02:25:32.940 um 30 out six though i mean i've had a guy that that was a sniper a marine sniper that

02:25:43.020 that said he's seen all kinds of crazy stuff this was just last week

02:25:46.360 and uh he he could envision a 30 out six core lock possibly doing that but in the neck

02:25:56.280 yeah

02:25:57.880 that's the problem

02:25:58.440 it's the neck

02:25:59.020 like it's like

02:25:59.720 he seemed kinda

02:26:00.620 he seemed kinda like

02:26:02.860 yeah it's very unlikely

02:26:04.240 but

02:26:04.980 I've been crazy stuff

02:26:06.200 before

02:26:06.700 people have sent me

02:26:07.720 pictures of them

02:26:09.920 like

02:26:10.120 dad accidentally

02:26:11.100 shot himself

02:26:11.600 it actually ricocheted

02:26:12.520 off a tree

02:26:12.980 and hit him

02:26:13.340 and it went through

02:26:14.040 both of his legs

02:26:15.640 like ricocheted

02:26:16.780 so it slowed down

02:26:17.880 and they sent me

02:26:18.540 one guy was in the hospital

02:26:19.220 was like I just wanted you

02:26:19.700 to see what a 30-oxid

02:26:20.500 did to me

02:26:21.200 I was on a hunting trip

02:26:22.320 had an accident

02:26:22.900 and like

02:26:23.700 this is how far it was

02:26:25.360 and I was

02:26:26.280 I mean, these people almost lost their ability to walk.

02:26:28.720 Like, I mean, it's like, and this is the leg, right?

02:26:29.960 So much more, like a neck is just, that was kind of the other thing is it was the neck.

02:26:34.420 If it was the chest, I think people could have been like, okay, maybe like.

02:26:38.380 I do want to ask you a question.

02:26:40.220 When you sell your guns, are you giving them every barrel option comes with it?

02:26:48.020 No, they'll usually just buy one version.

02:26:50.640 One version.

02:26:51.680 Occasionally, they'll get a barrel system with a different caliber along with the purchase.

02:26:56.280 Okay, and may I ask, regarding that Texas purchase where the gun went missing, which barrel option was it?

02:27:02.640 That was 5.56.

02:27:04.440 Otherwise known as a?

02:27:05.960 2.23.

02:27:06.700 Thank you.

02:27:07.420 Mm-hmm.

02:27:07.840 Okay.

02:27:10.340 Okay.

02:27:12.000 That's very interesting.

02:27:13.140 So that's actually smaller than 30.

02:27:15.340 So that'll move a lot faster.

02:27:17.640 And that was a 16-inch barrel, 2.23.

02:27:21.160 and so velocities are going to be up in the um 3 000 range feet per second and with most ammo

02:27:32.540 that's going to punch right through and not even expand much and just poke a hole unless it hit

02:27:39.140 hit bone of course but um i mean there's all kinds of different ammunition and wait sorry

02:27:45.560 when you say it's going to go right through do you mean like a 30-06 go through no 30-06

02:27:50.900 is just

02:27:51.800 it's expanding quickly

02:27:54.860 it's got a lot

02:27:56.520 more energy

02:27:57.480 and bigger diameter

02:27:58.540 and it's

02:28:00.580 I would say

02:28:02.360 within two inches of neck

02:28:06.580 it's already

02:28:09.740 not even like the middle

02:28:11.880 it's less

02:28:13.280 if you're going through this way

02:28:15.000 which is where he was hit

02:28:17.200 but a 223

02:28:20.000 It's just going to, a normal 30-06 is just going to plow right through.

02:28:26.440 I think they knew that.

02:28:27.700 I think they were never planning on showing stuff that much.

02:28:29.600 And even still, if the jacket did separate quickly and didn't just mushroom in and stay intact, depending on the bullet design,

02:28:41.320 even if it did separate those pieces after they separate their their some of them are gonna go

02:28:50.300 out and exit even if one of them can hit bone and then travel back down like they said yeah

02:28:57.420 possible but the other piece is going to shoot out somewhere yeah and it just didn't at all yeah

02:29:03.740 So I would say this, with the .300 blackout up on an inclined roof angle, a subsonic .300 blackout round, another interesting thing to think about.

02:29:19.920 Typical gun ranges, you're going to zero your rifle at either 100 yards or 25 yards.

02:29:28.100 Doesn't have to be the case, but that's typically what you do with your scope.

02:29:33.740 and so let's say you zero it at 100 yards well when you're now at 150 yards your bullet's going

02:29:44.320 to drop if you're at 100 yards it's going to hit right on where you're aiming if you've done your

02:29:50.340 job and zeroed it but if you're at 100 yards it's going to drop it's a subsonic ground it

02:29:56.900 it may drop 10 to 12 inches, maybe 8 inches, maybe 14 inches.

02:30:04.620 So it's going to drop, adding that extra 50 yards.

02:30:08.760 And then you have the incline factor.

02:30:11.940 So you're shooting kind of downhill, and it's not going to drop as much.

02:30:18.120 So you're shooting flat.

02:30:20.320 If it's, let's just say, average of 10 inches, it drops.

02:30:22.980 the incline, it's going to drop maybe seven or six inches even.

02:30:31.440 Yeah, I'm not convinced that shot came from that low C-center building.

02:30:37.000 Well, so if it did, and you had a 300 blackout that was zeroed at 100.

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02:31:11.140 then it's very reasonable that it would hit in the neck if aiming exactly for the head

02:31:23.220 yeah i'll tell you what it's it's a much more believable story than the one that we're getting

02:31:30.000 i will say that so um i mean this is all just so fascinating to hear your story and i think it

02:31:37.700 Gives us a lot to think about.

02:31:41.320 I certainly have, as I've said, I'm happy to have Victor on this podcast and to allow him to tell more about his life story, which I think many people have found parts to be unbelievable. 0.98

02:31:55.700 I do think, I think he's a crazy person. 0.94

02:31:58.980 I will say that for sure. 0.97

02:32:01.000 Just on the basis of the story you're telling me, the retooling prayer.

02:32:05.780 um i think he's wildly manipulative i think he's probably um involved in a cult in the occult

02:32:14.300 that's what that all sounds like to me and um but it is also like i said a dark psychiatry for sure

02:32:20.860 and i do think that right off the bat you were a victim of that and he he targeted you for

02:32:29.700 purposes that had very little to do with faith and more to do with the product that you had

02:32:33.060 and it's a piece i think the uh person who wrote the piece and has been working on your story

02:32:40.720 cory kennedy right did a very good job when she described it as a mosaic we're looking at a very

02:32:49.540 large mosaic a lot of players are involved um all kind of using the same tools manipulating people

02:32:57.460 attacking people making them think that you know they're not doing right by god which is

02:33:04.220 the wildest piece of the manipulation it's the darkest piece of the manipulation

02:33:08.700 if you don't serve me if you don't do this for me you're not doing right by god and putting

02:33:13.140 themselves in positions of power over people's life and just learning those points those where

02:33:18.220 can they push where is this person vulnerable what are they the most scared of well then i

02:33:22.180 know how to put them more firmly in my grass under my thumb you know can i i would bring up a topic

02:33:28.740 so on israel um i'm not against israel

02:33:38.880 and i don't have some beef against the idf i don't have a beef against the people of israel

02:33:47.880 I don't have beef against Jews.

02:33:53.060 With Victor claiming that he's Jew, that doesn't matter to me.

02:33:59.100 You know, Israel is believers in Christ.

02:34:06.100 And, you know, replacement theology is not the thing.

02:34:14.520 this sensationalism is not it

02:34:17.920 it's right in the middle

02:34:19.700 it's fulfillment

02:34:20.740 Jesus Christ fulfilled

02:34:23.020 and so

02:34:25.760 we're supposed to still

02:34:28.380 treat everybody

02:34:30.380 no matter what ethnicity they are

02:34:32.260 no matter what country they're from

02:34:33.740 with the love and respect

02:34:36.760 that Jesus Christ

02:34:37.820 gave us an instruction

02:34:40.760 to do so

02:34:41.520 and so

02:34:43.440 So, you know, I like the idea of protecting the nation of Israel just as it was any other nation.

02:34:55.900 However, offensively, no, defensively, yeah, but we crossed the line, right? 0.68

02:35:06.100 Mm-hmm.

02:35:06.840 And what I see happening is the fulfillment of prophecy. 0.98

02:35:14.520 I think that we've got a condition set where we're about to throw down Israel. 0.98

02:35:22.900 And that's equally as dangerous.

02:35:26.520 And so with, I mean, did you see what Trump read today in the Bible?

02:35:34.480 I have not seen that yet. I've been working all day.

02:35:36.840 Yeah. So it's a call, a national call for repentance. And, you know, when you look at what was read today, you combine it with the story of Solomon, which that's where this chapter, this set of verses is coming from. They're preparing to build the third temple. And so just look into that.

02:36:03.000 Yeah, I've been looking into Freemasonry and their obsession with Solomon's temple, Solomon's ring. That is what the flag of Israel is. I will look into that. I did not see it, so I will say that.

02:36:19.960 Yeah, it's an interesting one.

02:36:22.560 You can see what's guiding Trump is sort of this dark theology right now, and he's not really concerned about anything other than something that he thinks is a higher calling, I think.

02:36:34.900 That's what it feels like to all of us, where it doesn't seem like he cares about what happens to us one way or the other.

02:36:40.180 There's something higher that he's serving.

02:36:42.800 I don't think it's higher, to be clear.

02:36:44.520 I think it's lower.

02:36:46.340 But, yeah.

02:36:48.180 The story of Hosea is a really good example.

02:36:51.020 So Hosea and Gomer. 0.97

02:36:52.720 You know, Hosea was instructed to go marry a prostitute. 1.00

02:36:57.600 And that prostitute represented Israel. 0.99

02:37:01.740 Hosea represented God or Jesus. 0.99

02:37:05.720 And so he did it. 0.99

02:37:09.280 And Gomer ended up doing what a prostitute does and ran off and went prostituting and got captured again. 0.93

02:37:18.180 And Hosea, in obedience, he went and bought her out of bondage. 0.88

02:37:28.120 And so he still loved his wife, who had disobeyed. 0.86

02:37:36.560 And it's the same situation to look at with the Jews or Israel, 0.80

02:37:42.660 is that they've rejected Christ, but God does still have his arms open.

02:37:48.180 the promise is still there old covenant is not there but the new covenant is there for them

02:37:54.140 and so in that manner all of israel will be saved all believers in christ will be saved

02:38:02.760 but we got to keep that in mind when when we see the synagogue of satan you know that's just a

02:38:11.540 small portion of israel yeah and you see people i mean i think you hold the perspective of most

02:38:17.140 true christians you know we want everyone to be saved you know it's it's we are this is not and

02:38:25.420 some religions and faiths are exclusive no you're born into no we want everyone to be saved want

02:38:29.660 everyone to find christ and we also want people to not be distracted by those who are saying

02:38:34.600 they're doing things in christ's name that are actually taking you down an entirely different

02:38:38.320 path and i think you your awakening that you started to have about wait what is this um i

02:38:46.000 know charlie was going through that in the end charlie was looking up and wondering what the

02:38:50.560 heck was around him who these people were we had had those conversations about the manipulation

02:38:55.280 about the moral blackmail which he spoke about about um what i had described into him as like

02:39:02.100 this is like a gang actually it's a gang and it's and they're imparting spiritual warfare

02:39:08.140 and so i i do think in the end he had clarity on a lot and was you know fighting fighting for himself

02:39:20.200 and fighting for truth and realizing that what is real was i do i know that i know that charlie

02:39:27.680 was recognizing that and i don't believe he died in vain because we're seven months into this thing

02:39:34.940 seven and a half months

02:39:36.060 into this

02:39:36.500 and I wake up every day

02:39:38.020 and he's still

02:39:38.880 a national conversation

02:39:39.840 yeah

02:39:40.360 he's an international

02:39:41.540 conversation

02:39:42.260 yeah

02:39:42.720 and he

02:39:43.920 and he still loved Israel

02:39:45.360 just not the things

02:39:46.960 that Israel

02:39:47.300 he knew that what they were doing

02:39:48.300 didn't work anymore

02:39:49.300 and um

02:39:50.080 the reasons he was told

02:39:51.300 being told it was fine

02:39:52.360 was not okay anymore

02:39:53.440 and um

02:39:54.940 yeah

02:39:55.660 it's exactly what you went through

02:39:57.660 I think exactly what I went through

02:39:59.060 and so it's uh

02:40:00.320 there's no hatred on our part

02:40:02.320 which I

02:40:02.880 no matter how many times

02:40:04.280 they try to

02:40:04.940 psychologically convince us that it is an act of hate to notice things that are wrong that are

02:40:10.600 plainly wrong that we can see with our own eyes yeah you know I think we have covered so much

02:40:17.000 here um and I just want to thank you for opening this conversation to everybody I think this is

02:40:22.240 going to send people down a lot of different rabbit holes I know for me I definitely want

02:40:26.540 to chase that full they are that went missing um and i think it's a i think it's um i think it's a 1.00

02:40:34.840 divine point yeah in the right direction yeah and it could be nothing but it is saying look this

02:40:43.220 direction yeah you felt it had a question i have a question there may be an answer sometimes you

02:40:51.080 go somewhere and okay it's nothing but we got to try it i feel like we have to do all that stuff

02:40:55.540 for charlie you know just to keep looking and yeah i think just thank you you're welcome thank you so

02:41:01.880 much

Candace Owens - April 22, 2026

Victor Marx： The Man Who Weaponized Faith. ｜ Candace Ep 329

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