Ashton Forbes is a conspiracy theorist who believes that the government is a program of social engineering designed to make us think we should trust them. In this episode, Ashton shares his theories about the mysterious disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, and why he thinks the government may have covered up the truth about what happened to the plane. This episode is sponsored by Humber River Health Foundation. From the discovery of insulin in 1921 to the promise of universal healthcare in 1966, Canadians have always made healthcare our mission. Now we face our biggest challenge yet, a cure for healthcare, reduced wait times, safer patients, and advancements in technology - the end of hallway medicine. We re finding it all here. Help us innovate to keep healthcare alive. Donate at Healthcarelives.ca/HumberRiverHealthFoundation to help us keep healthcare innovations moving forward. This podcast is brought to you by the Hurry Up Foundation, a Canadian non-profit organization dedicated to making healthcare accessible and affordable for all people everywhere. To find a list of our sponsors and show-related promo codes, go to gimlet.fm/OurAdvertisers. We look forward to hearing from you, the listeners. Thank you so much for all of the support we get from you! We appreciate all of our supporters, we really do appreciate it. Thank you for all the support, we appreciate you. - Candice Owens, Candice Ochs, Thank you, Dr. Candice, Priscila, and Thank You, and Good Morning America! - Your Support is so much, Thank You for listening to this podcast, and we really helps keep us live this podcast going forward! - Our mission is all about making healthcare real and growing, we're making it all a little bit more human, day to day, more of us can doin' more of this, day after day, we can do more of it, more careful, more than that, and more of you get a chance to help keep us all of us a little more of our lives a little less of us, more like that, we'll keep on the rest of us in the next day, less of you, day more of them, we love you, thank you, we get a day to be more of a day, you're not less of that, more gratitude, more grateful than you, you'll get a better day, day, etc., more of that.
00:00:43.460It was becoming vaccine-injured and then becoming vaccine-obsessed to understand how I had allowed a foreign substance into my body
00:00:50.360and knew nothing about that foreign substance and yet trusted the experts.
00:00:54.360And then, yeah, I came out of the other side realizing that virtually every vaccine, the story that we are told, this is really just a program of social engineering.
00:03:08.860And I just want to first say that those people have families, and I have the utmost respect for those families.
00:03:15.340In fact, I first started this investigation because those families deserve the truth.
00:03:19.260And I think that anybody that would say, oh, you're hurting the families by looking into this, they should listen and look at how the families responded after that plane disappeared.
00:03:29.080Those families went on major news stations, and they knew something was wrong with this plane and with the story.
00:03:34.460They knew they weren't being told all the information that was out there.
00:03:38.060So this plane took off around 1642 UTC from Kuala Lumpur, and it goes dark over the South China Sea about 40 minutes later.
00:03:47.240The last communication that we were given publicly was just a mundane communication, goodnight, Malaysian Airlines, 370.
00:03:55.580Now, this is where the mystery really began because for several days, that was all we knew.
00:04:01.420This plane went dark somewhere over the South China Sea.
00:04:06.800And you can start to see, going back to your comment about conspiracies, that right away something wasn't right.
00:04:12.920It seemed like there might be a cover-up at play because several days later, they said, oh, no, this plane actually didn't crash anywhere near the South China Sea or anything.
00:04:21.540It turned back over Malaysia, flew over the peninsula of Malaysia, and it flew directly to Penang Airport.
00:04:28.260And then it deviates again, and they end up losing it on military radar.
00:04:34.080And then it takes a few days, and around March 13th, five days after this plane disappears, unnamed U.S. intelligence sources float to the media that this plane potentially went into the South Indian Ocean, which is really convenient.
00:04:49.320That's like saying, oh, it just fell down a well somewhere, and we're never going to probably be able to find it.
00:04:56.060Now, it wasn't until about two and a half months later that finally they released these Immersat pings that say this is what the U.S. intelligence indicates that the plane went to the South Indian Ocean.
00:05:10.220Now, just to slow this down for people that don't even know what an Immersat ping is, just describe to them what that satellite, what the satellite pings actually are.
00:05:16.980So the logic was they have these satellites in geostationary orbit, and they are pinging the airliners all the time.
00:05:24.480And what was interesting is that this airplane was actually between two different satellites.
00:05:31.060Should have been pinging both of them, but interestingly enough, it stopped pinging one of them before it took off and never pinged that satellite ever again.
00:05:40.200Why this is problematic is that we couldn't triangulate the position anymore.
00:05:43.860If you have multiple pings, you can triangulate the exact position of the plane.
00:05:46.840So these pings get released, but the company itself and no government official is doing an analysis on them.
00:05:54.480They leave it to bloggers on the Internet to say, go figure out what you think happened.
00:05:59.260This is where something called the independent group gets formed.
00:06:03.160Just to be clear, who controls those Immersat satellites?
00:06:14.260And if you look at some of the people that are like on their board, it's a bunch of admirals and generals and things like that from the United States government.
00:06:22.280So what the data basically, I've looked at the data myself.
00:06:25.640It's one of those things where, you know, basically no one ever looks at it.
00:06:28.200They just take everything they hear at face value without looking at the data.
00:06:31.120My job is in health care is working with databases all the time.
00:06:35.200So a relational database is just a bunch of Excel spreadsheets that are kind of linked together.
00:06:39.960So when I looked at this data, this Excel spreadsheet of these pings, I started scrolling through it from the plane taking off.
00:06:45.740And you get to the part where this plane was like they lost contact, you know, radar contact with it around 1840.
00:08:41.300And you've got your second point at the Penang Airport, the closest airport to go to an emergency situation.
00:08:47.160The plane deviates and changes direction and doesn't land there.
00:08:50.120And your third point is that point in the Nicobar Islands where all of a sudden the plane's taking a sharp south turn into the South Indian Ocean.
00:08:58.100And you look at those three points and I go, okay, well, what are the scenarios that make sense for what happened to this plane?
00:09:05.040The prevailing narrative right now is that this pilot went on some kind of suicide route or something like this,
00:09:24.200And it's not even clear that that's actually possible.
00:09:27.320One of the first questions a New York Times reporter asked at one of the press conferences was,
00:09:31.380is it even possible to make a plane go dark like this?
00:09:34.560And the Minister of Transportation's response is, we'll have to look into that.
00:09:37.700You're like, there's a plane missing here and you're being evasive about answering basic questions that should just be obvious.
00:09:44.680The first question, that's what the New York Times reporter says.
00:09:48.980And the second point is Penang Airport.
00:09:52.440So this is where this narrative out there says, and you're not going to believe this because you shouldn't,
00:09:56.600is that he was saying goodbye to his hometown because apparently he grew up in Penang or something like that.
00:10:03.320And you're like, well, it's two in the morning.
00:10:05.340You're flying a suicide route or something.
00:10:08.080And you're flying over a town to say goodbye to it makes no sense at all.
00:10:12.560And then the third point, that point in the Nicaragua Islands, they don't have any answer for.
00:10:16.880In fact, we know that there was actually five radars from at least three different countries, Thailand, India, and Indonesia,
00:10:26.020that were all still in range after Malaysia supposedly lost contact with this plane off a radar.
00:10:31.520None of those countries have ever come forward about this.
00:10:35.160And Aaron Rodgers actually was asked about me.
00:10:38.180He's a football player for people who don't know.
00:10:39.820And one of the things that he said, which is true, is that there's some, like the engine companies should have data on this, Rolls-Royce and Boeing.
00:13:20.620So, if they could detect that, how could they not detect a Boeing 777 crashing into the ocean?
00:13:27.960There was even this Cardiff University scientific paper that was just released in May of this year.
00:13:35.200And they looked at these acoustic detectors.
00:13:37.240This is not the SOSUS system, but just acoustic detectors.
00:13:39.920One in Diego Garcia Military Base in the Maldives, and another one off the coast of Western Australia.
00:13:45.560These are not quite, you know, the crash site, supposedly the 7th Ark is somewhere in between these two locations.
00:13:51.580They didn't find any acoustic detections for the whole duration of the flight path that were consistent with a plane hitting the ocean, even on a slow descent.
00:14:02.360They found one from one acoustic detector that was about half an hour to an hour after the plane would have already ran out of fuel.
00:14:10.280So, it doesn't really make any sense there.
00:14:14.040They looked at a bunch of other similar situations, and they said, there's no chance that we wouldn't have heard it if it had actually crashed down there.
00:14:22.740And then the last piece of information regarding our surveillance capabilities is over-the-horizon radar.
00:14:28.220So, a lot of people think of radar as like this line-of-sight type ranging and detection system.
00:14:34.480But actually, we have something called over-the-horizon radar, which bounces off the ionosphere and can see and detect aircrafts, missiles, et cetera, for thousands of miles.
00:14:44.380So, we have two of the most advanced military bases in the world, Diego Garcia Military Base and Pine Gap in Australia there,
00:14:51.960both of which, theoretically, would be within range of the entire flight path of this plane.
00:14:58.220And you're telling me that none of these systems saw anything?
00:15:02.640The last bit is there was two military exercises going on in that area next to Thailand.
00:15:07.400It's called Cobra Gold and Cope Tiger.
00:15:09.840The Cobra Gold exercises had just ended, and the Cope Tiger exercises were just about to begin.
00:15:15.100It was between Thailand, United States, and Singapore.
00:15:18.080I believe China was actually a guest during that exercise that year as well.
00:15:23.120Now, the Cope Tiger exercises, the theme was search and rescue that year as well.
00:15:28.860So, presumably, they would have had all the assets right there in that area, most advanced assets.
00:15:34.260You're telling me a Boeing 777 flew past our military exercises and we just didn't see it at all?
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00:16:49.900And it's interesting because what you're describing, I now realize that they have been engaging in this for a very long time.
00:16:56.160It is the government that engages in disinformation.
00:16:58.620So, what they try to do is when something happens and people are confused about it, they put out so many possible theories.
00:17:04.800I mean, you're talking like a game of Clue, or I guess people in the UK would call it a game of Cluedo.
00:17:08.880And it's essentially, the butler did it in the pantry.
00:17:12.140And then you're like, oh, well, I read here in the New York Times that they think that it could have, like the pilot was a drunk and got into a fight and wanted to just fly over and say goodbye.
00:17:19.980Well, I read here, over here in the Wall Street Journal, that what actually happened was it ran out of, well, I read here that it was on fire.
00:17:25.200So, there's actually so much information that is intentionally put out there to confuse people that they can't actually get to truth.
00:17:33.300But they're sure that they're getting closer to truth by consuming all of this because it's coming from the experts.
00:17:40.620And once you understand that that is their repeat pattern, which is basically to flood the zone with so much information, but there's actually no information.
00:17:49.940The most ridiculous one for me was this is pilot on like a murder-suicide mission.
00:17:53.960First off, just talking about mental stability, like pilots tend to be like the most mentally stable people.
00:18:00.260And there was absolutely nothing to back up their claims.
00:18:02.400It sounded like such an exercise to just disinform the public and say, oh, we, I think years later they said, well, they never told us.
00:18:12.120But when they went to go look through his house, they saw that he had mapped out, he had mapped out geographically the exact route they took.
00:18:23.100He knows to do that like while he's in the plane.
00:18:26.140And so when I look back on it now, I'm like, wow, it is, it just follows that standard pattern of a classic military intelligence operation coverup.
00:18:36.440And I want to allow people right now to watch these two videos that I'm going to show them.
00:18:43.280These videos, actually, first we're going to watch the video that's not thermal, which was how many years later did it come into the public sphere?
00:18:52.980Yeah, so the satellite video was the first video to get published.
00:18:56.940The satellite video was published May 19th, 2014.
00:19:01.520So this is 70 days after the plane disappears.
00:19:04.580But in the description of the video, and this was from a Regicide Anon YouTube account.
00:19:08.960That was the name of the YouTuber, Regicide Anon, some obscure YouTube account with a dozen followers or something like that.
00:19:16.820This video actually in the description says, received March 12th, 2014.
00:19:21.460That's four days after the plane disappeared.
00:20:11.640So it goes to show this is why the United States government protects surveillance capabilities so well.
00:20:18.040Because if we find out about our surveillance capabilities, then we can feed through some of that disinformation and we can figure out, oh, wait, no, we absolutely must know about a plane disappearing.
00:20:28.160And you can apply it to other world events that go on as well.
00:20:31.320And so it makes it much harder for them to misinform the public that's out there.
00:20:35.500But again, the strongest evidence on the satellite video is the coordinates.
00:20:40.540It's got these coordinates in the bottom left.
00:20:42.540And Newsweek actually published a fake debunk two days after these videos got popular on August 9th, 2023.
00:20:50.960These videos got popular around August 7th of last year in 2023.
00:20:55.120Two days later, Newsweek all of a sudden posts this debunk.
00:20:58.460And it's just a copy and paste like an AI took it from another article that was out there.
00:21:02.620The only factual claim in there was that in those coordinates it said NRL-33, which is a National Reconnaissance Office launch of satellites.
00:21:13.280The problem was that the NRL-33 was launched in like 2015 or late 2014, so after the videos were out there.
00:21:32.900This satellite was launched in 2006, and it was the first satellite launch of the Cibber system, space-based infrared system that was out there.
00:21:40.880To me, that's quite the coincidence for someone to put that down there.
00:21:44.880It turns out on these constellations of satellites, they use relay satellites because not all satellites are within range of the ground-based systems that they need.
00:21:53.320And NRL-22, USA-184, has a millennial orbit.
00:21:58.580So it takes this oblong orbit, which seems like it's a thing they call mid-Earth orbit satellites.
00:22:03.840It's a good candidate to be a relay satellite because it spends a lot of its time above the North Pole, which is its angle of view of many other satellites that are out there.
00:22:13.140And the coordinates, initially we weren't sure.
00:22:16.880Like you, I only woke up, you know, in the last, let's say, four to eight years.
00:22:23.120I was someone who I call CNN brain type person who just believed whatever the TV told you.
00:22:29.680And so I thought, well, this plane must have crashed in the South Indian Ocean because that's what all the narratives were down there.
00:22:34.280So when you looked at the coordinates, if you had added a minus sign in front of the north-south coordinate, it actually put the plane in the South Indian Ocean somewhere.
00:22:43.080And I thought, okay, even though it was like hard to explain why there might be a minus sign like just cut off that you couldn't see, I thought this must be what it is.
00:22:50.400But when we actually graphed the coordinate shifts, because you have this perspective shift on this satellite video, we realized there's no possible way for it to have a minus sign in front of it.
00:23:02.100Because if you graphed it, either it must be going south into the east or north into the east.
00:23:08.200And if you're going north into the east, you're turning to the right.
00:23:11.160If you're going south into the east, you're turning to the left.
00:23:14.540Well, we have two videos that both show up playing turning to its left.
00:23:18.000That means this must be, there's no minus sign, that must be the Nicobar Islands.
00:23:23.620It's within 100 miles where a real-life witness saw the plane that she's just been discredited as well.
00:23:32.060At the same time that the day the plane was lost, they said that the plane was lost at, or Subang Air Traffic Control lost contact with the plane at 1840 UTC.
00:23:43.680That's the same time the witness saw the plane.
00:23:45.600And that's the same time the plane would have been in this area where this video is filming it.
00:23:50.020So you look at it, you go, okay, for me, I've already got enough evidence that, like, I need the U.S. government to say something about these videos.
00:25:44.720So same exact account, about two weeks.
00:25:48.200So actually, on the thermal video, the first video is just called Satellite Video, Airliner, and UFOs.
00:25:54.480It doesn't say anything about MH370, but we dug through the metadata, and there's a tag in the metadata for MH370.
00:26:01.460The second video says, it's like UAV drone video, and then in the description it says, alternate angle from previous video.
00:26:09.120It says, received June 5th, 2014, published June 12th, 2014.
00:26:15.140So this was, you know, two to three weeks after that first video.
00:26:19.300And now you start to build, like, a story in terms of, okay, this first video comes out, and if this is a real video, someone's leaked this, they want people to pick it up, nobody picks it up.
00:26:29.140And then all of a sudden, boom, now we've got a second video from a predator drone from a completely different angle than the first one.
00:26:37.060And so when people ask, like, what would it take for you to be convinced that something's real?
00:26:41.920It's like, well, I want two different videos from, you know, different angles, from high-quality sources, military sources.
00:27:02.780And going back real quick to the satellite video, probably the other most compelling piece is you see this cursor, mouse cursor, come off the top right of the screen.
00:27:12.200Because if this is a real video, that's a recording of someone's computer.
00:27:16.280And they're on a much bigger field of view.
00:27:18.680So you can tell because this mouse comes off the top of the side of the screen, and they probably just hit start record.
00:27:37.920But the cursor is actually 24 frames per second.
00:27:41.520And people pieced out together right away that this is consistent with a Citrix session, a remote terminal session.
00:27:47.880So for people that aren't familiar with working at big companies and potentially the government, a lot of the data is being stored in databases that are remotely hosted.
00:27:56.080So what you do, you log in to that database, to that server, and you access the data on that computer server.
00:28:04.520And when you do that, almost everybody I know uses Citrix.
00:28:07.720So now, if these videos are fake, someone is like, knows how our systems are set up out there.
00:28:34.880Because they've revealed some sort of a government secret.
00:28:37.180So they just put it onto the Internet and let the Internet do what the Internet does.
00:28:40.700And I think that to your point about the CIA disinformation stuff as well, they probably didn't even realize how much control the government has over the media.
00:28:51.520You know, like to Project Mockingbird, for example, I absolutely believe that the government controls the perception of the media strongly.
00:29:01.780And they probably just thought they would end up being like a hero or something or that the media would pick up on this.
00:29:05.880But, of course, the government was never going to let that happen.
00:29:08.240So these videos got no traction anywhere.
00:29:11.320And most people, even myself, in 2014, I remember seeing the drone video.
00:29:15.320You can tell it's a drone because you can see the drone's nose in the video.
00:29:19.520And these drones actually have these slots that are customizable on the wings where you can pull out, you can put a Hellfire missile on there, whatever.
00:29:43.060Like, I looked at that drone video, and I just didn't know what I was looking at in 2014 because I followed this case back then as just, you know, an independent citizen and civilian and thought, well, that's a weird video.
00:29:54.260And this was before the DOD Navy released those UFO videos and declassified them.
00:30:01.820And even that, so before that, I didn't even know we used, like, forward-looking infrared FLIR.
00:30:06.620So I had no idea of even the basis of our technology capabilities from a surveillance perspective.
00:30:12.280But now in 2023, when I first, when I saw those videos again, I went, whoa, I remember seeing this.
00:30:16.980And for me, it was when I saw that second video, and I went, okay, this is bizarre.
00:30:21.500And then when I saw the Citrix session evidence, I went, okay, this is, like, way too much.
00:30:29.200Instead of everybody else saying, this must be fake, this is stupid, blah, blah, blah, I said, what would it take for this video to be real?
00:30:36.060And that's when I started investigating the stories that we've been told, the evidence that's out there, the witnesses.
00:30:44.100And just as a summary, like, I've accumulated so much evidence around the real situation around this plane that the only way anyone could convince me these videos are not real is either this hoaxer, supposedly, that made them would have to come forward.
00:31:04.280So, and this was, this was real money.
00:31:06.740Like, we had Kim.com threw up $100,000.
00:31:10.180Chad and Sherry, the Investigate Earth podcast, who I've become very good friends with over just talking about this stuff on many of their podcasts.
00:31:18.300And then I had a wealthy supporter that had run for higher office, that had actually run for Congress in the past, that texted me and was like, I'll throw another $25,000 in.
00:31:27.480And I was like, well, I'll throw $5,000 just to round it out.
00:31:30.260So, for months, we had this out there.
00:31:32.340And there's a lot of disinformation about that where people say, oh, well, it's to prove the videos are fake.
00:32:24.080But even finding the plane at this point, like, that plane better be, like, fully intact with, like, 239 bodies on it at the bottom of the ocean somewhere with 10 years of decay on it.
00:32:54.160Or some, a very small piece of the plane.
00:32:55.940Let me address the arguments and the claims that people make that I think people are well known about.
00:33:01.160Is that, first of all, this pilot suicide, I call it the pilot suicide myth because there is really no physical evidence for the pilot suicide scenario.
00:33:07.540If you were to crash a plane like the German Wings guy did in 2015, he locked the co-pilot out and he crashed the plane in under 10 minutes.
00:33:15.660I went and looked it up because people were trying to compare the two scenarios.
00:33:18.460He didn't go on an eight-hour joyride.
00:33:20.120He certainly didn't fly to the nearest airport to land a Boeing 777.
00:33:23.780The narrative about, there was all this misinformation spread about the pilot saying that, like, he was into a girl, like, some cheating on his wife or he had a mental issue.
00:33:35.380They tried to claim he was a terrorist.
00:33:47.220His family released them to her, and there was no red flags mentally.
00:33:50.840He had nothing wrong whatsoever with him.
00:33:53.380And then they start passing this simulator data that you were mentioning out around, and they said, oh, well, this proves that he planned this route.
00:34:02.780But if you actually dug into the facts, it turned out from that simulator data was from February 2nd and February 3rd, and it was actually MH150 from Kuala Lumpur to Jeddah.
00:34:14.460And he was scheduled to fly that route February 4th.
00:34:19.960And I've got a graph or an image out there that shows, like, all the MH150 routes, and it's exactly the same as what they're saying was on this simulator data.
00:34:28.300And then they take one single point in the South Indian Ocean.
00:34:30.840They just connect it together and claim, oh, that's the route, even though it doesn't match at all the real route of the MH370.
00:34:39.380It bars everybody else out because the majority of people who don't understand that are not going to dig that deeply.
00:34:43.880They just need something that, okay, how do we button up this little mystery and feed that to the public and say, oh, look, we figured it out.
00:34:49.480Actually, we dug through his stuff, and he was plotting out this route, and he actually was a crazy person, even though his wife says he was and everyone around him says he wasn't.
00:34:57.200But we just need our fall guy, and we're picking the pilot.
00:35:00.000And somehow he was able to do some James Bond type, and the transponders went on a little joyride, waved goodbye to his hometown.
00:35:11.640Like, the conspiracy is what they always sell you.
00:35:13.680Like, that sounds, that is more insane than the concept of they're hiding something and your government is lying to you.
00:35:20.800Exactly, and even if you don't want to believe the videos are real just because you can't believe that we have that kind of technology, you have to believe that the government knows what really happened to this plane.
00:35:28.800There's just too much evidence for that.
00:35:30.600And you have to be able to tell that there's some kind of obfuscation going on with regards to this whole situation.
00:35:46.740The officials ruled out the simulated data.
00:35:48.240But somehow this narrative keeps spreading.
00:35:51.180And so what people will say is, well, the ocean is really big, so it could have crashed basically anyway.
00:35:55.980But that's not true because, remember, we have these satellite pings.
00:35:58.920These satellite pings indicate the seventh arc is where this plane ran out of fuel.
00:36:02.940So unless you think planes can fly without fuel, which maybe some people do out there, then that's as far as it can possibly go.
00:36:10.100And they searched up and down the entire flight path to the seventh arc as well, including the largest, most expensive search in human history.
00:36:19.020They've done two above and below water searches there, and they're planning a third in November.