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00:00:30.360 All right, you guys, welcome in, welcome in, welcome in.

00:00:34.920 I will be breaking news here tonight, ladies and gentlemen, breaking news, and some of

00:00:39.020 the happiest and most important news we'll bring during this entire time that I'm sitting

00:00:43.460 in.

00:00:44.260 I want to introduce everybody to Conrad James Farmer, his very first introduction to the

00:00:50.660 world right here.

00:00:51.800 Conrad James Farmer, an absolutely beautiful, happy baby boy, and I'm thankful to him.

00:00:59.380 I wouldn't be here without him. No, I'm kidding, Conrad. I'm kidding. I would never be so selfish as to thank you for introducing me to this program. Hey, guys, we got a lot to talk about tonight. We got a lot to talk about tonight. We're going to dive in. We're going to dive back into the Charlie Kirk investigation in a big way tonight. We've got a couple of different angles we're digging into on there. One is the bullet jacket fragment. We're going to take a little bit of a detailed look at the timeline and ask if it really makes sense.

00:01:26.140 And another angle we're going to approach is there was a messaging platform, a messaging platform that several people connected to this case, very closely connected to this case, all decided to jump on this rare, seldom used messaging platform.

00:01:41.420 And so we're going to take a little bit of a look at that and ask some questions when we get to that part.

00:01:47.460 Also, we're going to check in on the Make Heaven Crowded Tour and ask, why?

00:01:53.580 Why do you guys keep picking these people to go to their churches?

00:01:57.340 But we'll get there when we get there.

00:01:59.120 And finally, we're going to look at the very manly MAGA sphere influencer, a guy named

00:02:06.260 Xavier, and check out what he's doing in the legal system, in the courts.

00:02:11.300 All this and more coming up next on Candace.

00:02:23.580 And yes, I was kidding when I said manly, but we'll get to that part at the end.

00:02:30.900 We'll get to that part later.

00:02:32.060 I want to open with the bullet jacket fragment.

00:02:36.080 Okay.

00:02:36.440 I need to set it up a little bit so you guys kind of understand why this matters, why this

00:02:41.440 matters.

00:02:42.440 The allegation, the Fed Slop allegation is that Tyler James Robinson crawled to the top

00:02:48.260 of the Losey Center at Utah Valley University on September 10th, September 10th, 1223.

00:02:53.580 30-ish PM, and fired a single round from a .30-06 that was owned by his grandfather.

00:03:00.720 And that .30-06 round went downrange and made its way to Charlie Kirk, and that led to his death.

00:03:07.460 Obviously, it raised a lot of questions.

00:03:09.020 First, it didn't look much like a .30-06 wound to a lot of people.

00:03:12.160 There was an immediate rash of people running around saying,

00:03:15.280 How? How did it not go through the back of his neck?

00:03:17.640 How did it not create a different-looking entrance wound?

00:03:20.680 How did it not knock Charlie Kirk off the back of his chair?

00:03:23.580 There were just a lot of questions about this 30-06, and we were hoping once the ATF got

00:03:29.740 a hold of the bullet jacket fragments and the bullet jacket and the little fragments

00:03:35.600 of lead and were able to put everything together, they would be able to put a comprehensible

00:03:39.640 story together for us.

00:03:40.880 Unfortunately, they did not.

00:03:42.560 In fact, once we got a hold of the report, not the underlying data, but the actual report,

00:03:47.720 once we got a hold of the report, we had more questions than answers.

00:03:51.540 One of the questions we had, one of the questions we had was, where did all the fragments go?

00:03:58.660 Where did all the fragments go?

00:04:00.300 If you go back in time and you remember at the preliminary hearing, the lady who tested

00:04:03.900 the fragments said she received four fragments in a manila envelope, four fragments and then

00:04:10.280 the bullet jacket in a manila envelope.

00:04:12.300 The records suggested there were seven fragments.

00:04:16.640 Raises an obvious question.

00:04:17.760 This is the highest profile political assassination in more than half a century, I would argue.

00:04:23.820 This is, you know, something that's taking years to get to trial, hundreds, thousands, millions maybe of man hours by the time this thing's all settled.

00:04:35.760 Lots of people complaining that it's taking too long to get to trial.

00:04:39.180 So where did, how did we lose three bullet fragments?

00:04:43.620 Where did they go?

00:04:44.900 And when did they get lost?

00:04:46.940 Well, one of the things we're going to look at, and we're going to pull up here, the requested

00:04:51.200 relief from a defense motion.

00:04:52.600 I want to remind you that on January 14th of next year, 2027, two months from now, there

00:04:57.580 will be oral arguments on a motion filed.

00:05:00.520 Here is a picture of the requested relief.

00:05:04.060 This will give you an idea of what we are talking about.

00:05:07.880 The defense wanted a temporary order that prohibited the state of Utah or its agents,

00:05:14.640 meaning the FBI, from conducting any further testing of this bullet jacket fragment because

00:05:21.800 the FBI told them they might have to destroy this thing. We mentioned this either yesterday

00:05:25.700 or a couple of days ago. I can't remember when we brought this up, but they mentioned that they

00:05:28.440 might have to destroy it in order to adequately test it. And the defense said, well, you can't

00:05:33.420 go destroying evidence without us being able to take a look at it. Well, that got us thinking.

00:05:37.480 Let's look at the timeline. How did this all come together? So that's what we're going to do today.

00:05:41.600 We're going to look through the bullet jacket fragment timeline.

00:05:44.640 How did it get out of Charlie Kirk, as gruesome as that sounds?

00:05:48.440 How did it get out of Charlie Kirk?

00:05:50.180 And what was the chain of custody getting it to the point where somebody in an ATF office

00:05:55.880 is examining this thing?

00:05:57.680 So we're going to go ahead and take a look at this.

00:05:59.380 First thing we have to establish, we know, well, we concluded because all of the photos

00:06:06.820 of the autopsy that were requested were dated September 10th.

00:06:10.480 From that, we concluded all of the autopsy photos were taken by September 10th, by midnight of

00:06:16.520 September 10th, meaning the autopsy was over by midnight of September 10th. Otherwise, I think

00:06:21.240 when the defense asked for all the photos, those photos might have leaked into September 11th. In

00:06:26.180 fact, a lot of people at the time, if you go back in time and remember, there were news people

00:06:30.020 camped outside of the medical examiner's office well into the afternoon of September 11th because

00:06:35.340 it just seemed awfully fast. It just seemed very, very fast the way this thing came together.

00:06:39.920 Less than 12 hours from the time we first heard the Big Bang, every autopsy photo was

00:06:45.680 completed.

00:06:46.440 So we have a September 10th timeline where the clock begins ticking.

00:06:50.520 At some point on September 10th, we are told, or we are led to believe, that this bullet

00:06:55.420 jacket fragment and these seven other bullet fragments are taken from Charlie Kirk.

00:07:00.280 They're packaged up in what we're told is a manila envelope, and they're somehow sent

00:07:05.160 to the ATF.

00:07:06.300 Well, the ATF is in Maryland.

00:07:07.580 So it's not like they were run across the street. It's not like they were, you know, handed off by a courier or something. Somebody had to get these from Utah to Maryland. So let's go through how this might have happened.

00:07:20.600 First thing I want to show you is an FBI flight that landed in Provo, that landed from Provo to Maryland, to Baltimore, Washington International Airport on the afternoon of September 11th, the afternoon of September 11th.

00:07:38.840 Here is that flight.

00:07:40.480 You can see there this flight goes and it tracks the time there, 2108 Zulu time in the lower left-hand corner.

00:07:48.120 that's when the flight terminates. It's at the very low. We highlighted it in yellow. I'm not

00:07:52.660 sure if you can see that well, but 2108. To get to East Coast time, you have to subtract four.

00:07:59.340 So that would be 1708. Now you subtract 12 for military time, that's 508 p.m. 508 p.m. Eastern

00:08:07.600 time. 508 p.m. Eastern time, there's an FBI plane that lands in Baltimore, Maryland.

00:08:12.720 We can find no other transport that goes anywhere near the ATF office in Maryland other than this one plane, which leads us to believe that is probably the plane that had the bullet jacket fragments because we know they had to have arrived at the ATF on September 11th if everything's on the up and up, if the story's accurate.

00:08:35.260 Now, how do we know that?

00:08:36.840 Well, first, let me show you the Google Maps

00:08:38.360 from the Baltimore, Washington Airport

00:08:40.980 to the ATF office on Armandale Road

00:08:44.860 in Beltsville, Maryland.

00:08:47.400 Google Maps estimates it's a 35 to 55 minute drive.

00:08:50.400 We'll call it 45 minutes.

00:08:51.440 We'll just cut it down the middle.

00:08:52.960 So at 5.08, the plane lands.

00:08:54.400 It's got a taxi in.

00:08:55.380 They've got to get off the plane.

00:08:56.560 They've got to get their stuff.

00:08:57.480 They got to get to a car.

00:08:58.380 They got to get over there.

00:08:59.540 That's not happening in less than,

00:09:00.960 let's say, 20 minutes.

00:09:01.980 And so this thing is looking like

00:09:03.340 it may not have arrived.

00:09:04.220 If this plane is accurate, if we're right, and that plane held the bullet jacket fragments, that plane landing, getting the people off the plane into a car over to Beltsville, Maryland, in all likelihood did not happen before 6.30 p.m., 6.30 p.m. on the 11th.

00:09:21.580 Well, why is that a big deal?

00:09:23.960 Because they're tied to a timeline based on some of the evidence they produced.

00:09:28.480 Here is an example of the timeline

00:09:31.780 being tied down on September 11th.

00:09:35.260 This is a pic of the bullet jacket fragments

00:09:37.880 as received, as received.

00:09:41.620 Those are the preparation ones.

00:09:42.660 Let's go to the as received ones.

00:09:44.820 There they are, as received.

00:09:47.220 You'll notice the date at the bottom of this.

00:09:50.300 It says September 11th, 2025.

00:09:53.020 Now these photos were taken, we believe, by Karner,

00:09:58.060 the corner lady who was the one who was testifying at the preliminary hearing.

00:10:04.380 So if these photos were taken on September 11th as received, meaning these, this is the condition

00:10:10.480 in which I received these fragments. This is not preparation. This is not cleaned up. This is not,

00:10:16.280 you know, I don't know, run through a jewelry cleaner. I have no idea how they clean these

00:10:19.580 things, by the way, but this is as received. That's the title on this photo as received.

00:10:25.100 And that's September 11th. Well, if the bullet jacket fragments were still in the air after 5 p.m. on September 11th and then they land and then they have to get driven over to the ATF office, they wouldn't be there before. We'll call it 630 ish p.m.

00:10:40.120 at some point the official timeline now puts those bullet jacket fragments being photographed

00:10:46.760 on september 11th sometime after 6 30 p.m that was a thursday it was a thursday

00:10:51.860 it's possible it's possible guys that this thing was just an around the clock 24 hour a day seven

00:10:58.700 day a week thing and they get this you know the car comes in the parking lot and they take it out

00:11:02.900 they immediately rip into the manila envelope and they immediately get to work on this thing

00:11:06.760 and they start photographing it, I am very disturbed by the speed in which everything

00:11:13.780 took place. Very disturbed by the speed in which everything took place. It just strikes me as an

00:11:19.700 incredibly tight timeline to get these things out of a human body, to get them into an envelope,

00:11:26.720 to get them onto a plane that does not arrive in the Washington, D.C. area until after 5 p.m.

00:11:33.040 Eastern time, get them into a car, get them to the ATF office where the ATF people apparently

00:11:38.320 are just sitting around waiting well after five o'clock on a Thursday in a government office,

00:11:43.020 waiting for bullet jacket fragments to show up. What's the hurry? What's the hurry?

00:11:49.360 And I'll show you why I'm concerned about the September 11th date, because the next one,

00:11:54.020 the as prepared photo, the as prepared photo, this is where they've peeled things back.

00:12:00.980 they've taken she described it as taking pliers just taking pliers like a pair of milwaukee pliers

00:12:07.080 out of the old toolbox and peeling these things back so that she can access some of these

00:12:11.840 striations and marks and all these things and you can see it has actually done damage to the

00:12:16.900 bullet jacket fragment it looks different than it did in the as received the as prepared photo

00:12:23.960 was taken on September 15th.

00:12:26.880 That's four days.

00:12:28.840 That's four days.

00:12:30.460 September 15th,

00:12:31.620 okay, you got the Thursday, the 12th,

00:12:33.200 Friday, the 13th,

00:12:34.660 Saturday, the 14th,

00:12:37.160 Sunday, the 15th.

00:12:39.220 They're in the office,

00:12:40.520 in a government office at the ATF building.

00:12:42.560 I'm presuming my math is right there.

00:12:44.920 11th, 12th, that's Friday.

00:12:46.460 13th, 14th is the weekend.

00:12:47.700 15th is Monday.

00:12:49.040 Okay, Monday, excuse me.

00:12:50.380 They're in the office on a Monday

00:12:51.880 where they're now preparing this thing.

00:12:54.120 They're peeling it back with pliers

00:12:55.340 and they're getting ready to do the analysis.

00:12:56.880 So what was the hurry after 6.30 p.m.

00:13:01.100 on a Thursday night

00:13:02.860 with immediately tearing into this envelope

00:13:05.700 and immediately beginning to photograph these things?

00:13:08.800 And at what point did somebody say,

00:13:10.840 hey, wait a minute, we don't have everything.

00:13:13.200 We don't have everything.

00:13:14.520 You told us there were seven fragments.

00:13:17.560 Now we only received four.

00:13:19.760 We only received four.

00:13:21.400 That's a massive discrepancy in a capital murder trial.

00:13:25.280 That's something that needs to be answered.

00:13:27.140 Someone needs to explain where those three fragments went

00:13:29.280 and why they didn't make their way on that same plane that we believe

00:13:32.460 took the fragments to Baltimore-Washington International Airport

00:13:36.140 and then over to Beltsville, Maryland.

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00:14:10.580 So I want to tell you that my concern with this isn't that

00:14:18.100 I think things got lost, like they just fell out of the envelope and somebody swept them away and

00:14:22.200 they didn't realize it. Then the custodian came by that night and they were doing their sweeping

00:14:25.560 and there go the fragments. That's not my concern. My concern isn't that somebody in Provo or in

00:14:31.960 O'Orem or in wherever he had his autopsy, it's not my concern that somebody there was like,

00:14:38.240 oh, we have seven fragments. Well, we don't need all seven. Let's just send four of them down the

00:14:41.760 road. Throw those other three out. Those are not necessary. That's not my concern either. 1.00

00:14:45.620 My concern is, you're telling me, you pulled seven fragments out, you're telling me this

00:14:51.020 is a big deal, and these pieces are going to go to proving Tyler Robinson, beyond a

00:14:56.500 reasonable doubt, solely playing and executed Charlie Kirk with a 30-06, and you can't

00:15:01.360 account for all the evidence.

00:15:03.180 And the evidence you can't account for has a weird timeline that, to me, just doesn't

00:15:06.980 make sense.

00:15:08.000 You're receiving things on September 11th, well after 5 p.m., probably after 6.30 p.m.,

00:15:12.340 you're immediately pulling it out and taking pictures, and then what?

00:15:14.520 you're putting it aside for three days? You're putting it aside until Monday? You're like,

00:15:18.480 yeah, it's Thursday. It's Miller time. You know, let's head home. Okay, well, why didn't you look

00:15:23.660 at it Friday or come in Saturday or Sunday? It's supposed to be an around the clock, 24-hour-a-day

00:15:28.020 thing maybe. I don't know. But if you're going to take them out and you're going to take the

00:15:31.880 pictures quickly, but then you don't do anything with it for three days, I'm very concerned with

00:15:36.160 that timeline. Very, very, very concerned with that timeline. Because when you're looking at

00:15:41.220 a capital murder case, when you're looking at things like reasonable doubt, a defense lawyer

00:15:44.920 is going to pick these things apart. I'm not the only one that has identified this problem. I

00:15:49.260 promise you. I promise you people like Kathy Nestor and Michael Byrd have looked at this and gone,

00:15:53.580 wait a minute, they don't have all the fragments? Where are the rest of the fragments? And why did

00:15:57.480 they hurry to get these things photographed as received and then not do anything with them for

00:16:01.460 four days? So anyway, hold that, hold that. The next time we see these fragments, the next time

00:16:09.800 we see these fragments? We are told the ATF report is finalized by September 17th. Finalized

00:16:17.380 by September 17th. The DNA report was done on September 15th. The fragments, the report,

00:16:22.960 they're analyzed. It's typed up. It's finalized and signed. That's September 17th. And that is

00:16:29.000 when the defense begins to say, hey, what the heck is going on here? We need to preserve this

00:16:33.500 evidence. You guys have reached a conclusion that you don't know whether this bullet jacket fragment

00:16:38.680 came from that particular rifle.

00:16:41.160 And now you're telling us

00:16:42.320 you're going to have to destroy the evidence

00:16:44.480 in order to further evaluate it.

00:16:46.940 Now, do you see the problem with that request

00:16:48.960 in light of what's already happened?

00:16:50.420 In light of the fact that you've apparently

00:16:52.100 already lost evidence in this case,

00:16:55.360 there are three bullet fragments missing.

00:16:57.780 You've apparently already lost evidence.

00:16:59.480 Now you're telling us you have to destroy

00:17:01.340 the rest of the evidence

00:17:02.660 in order to make any kind of official determination.

00:17:06.440 And your original determination is

00:17:08.280 We can't tell you whether or not this came from the gun.

00:17:10.400 We think it's probably a .30 caliber round.

00:17:12.640 But, you know, there's dozens and dozens of different .30 caliber rounds.

00:17:16.300 They're not all .30-06s.

00:17:19.620 It's right for the defense to raise that issue.

00:17:22.660 It's right for the defense to raise that issue.

00:17:24.080 My guess is these types of questions are going to land in front of a jury one day,

00:17:27.120 and the jury's going to have to say, yeah, what the hell was going on?

00:17:29.080 What was the hurry?

00:17:29.840 Where'd the rest of the fragments go?

00:17:33.240 The judge actually granted the motion to stop the destruction of evidence.

00:17:37.260 to his credit. Again, Judge Graff has done some things right in this case. He actually did grant

00:17:41.420 the motion. And that's where it sat for roughly the last year, because that was on November 3rd.

00:17:47.380 Here we sit November 10th, a year and a week later, and nothing's changed. We don't know

00:17:51.660 where the bullet jack fragments are. Nobody's telling us an update on their location, the

00:17:55.740 chain of custody, all that. We assume, we assume they're still sitting in a storage locker somewhere

00:17:59.780 in Beltsville, Maryland, but we don't know. We don't know. It wasn't until December 18th that

00:18:04.980 the defense even received the ATF report that was prepared on September 17th. So we now have

00:18:10.620 another inexplicable three-month delay. Once the report is done, why aren't you shuffling it over

00:18:15.420 to the defense? We're in such a hurry. We've got to tear open this manila envelope after flying

00:18:22.240 these bullet jacket fragments across the country in a single day. And we've got to get them 0.98

00:18:27.000 pictured. And then we don't have to look at them. We're not going to examine them for four days.

00:18:30.520 And then we're going to immediately produce a report within two days of examining them.

00:18:34.020 And then we're not going to send the report for 90 days.

00:18:39.040 Just a lot of questions on this timeline.

00:18:41.620 This is something that needs to be looked at, examined.

00:18:44.500 I don't find this particularly persuasive that the prosecution is doing everything in their power to handle this correctly, if I'm being honest.

00:18:51.100 It looks like things are, there are way too many opportunities for things to be messed with here.

00:18:56.100 Way too many things to be messed with.

00:18:58.420 So in January, they filed a motion, last January, they filed a motion, and that motion finally

00:19:03.640 got set.

00:19:06.300 That motion finally got set.

00:19:08.220 And it is set now for January 17th.

00:19:11.980 I think that's probably the next time they will go into court, if I'm not mistaken.

00:19:15.700 There may be other things on the timeline.

00:19:17.260 I looked at the timeline the other day.

00:19:18.340 There's 1,000 entries on it.

00:19:20.220 But they will go into court in January, and they will try to determine, how do we proceed

00:19:24.160 on trying to determine whether that bullet was fired from that rifle?

00:19:27.400 because I'm telling you right now,

00:19:29.020 if you can't tell me that bullet was fired from that rifle,

00:19:31.580 you're going to have a very difficult time

00:19:33.240 convicting Tyler Robinson.

00:19:34.580 A very difficult time convicting Tyler Robinson.

00:19:38.500 Juries don't like uncertainty

00:19:39.840 when they're putting people to death.

00:19:41.320 That's a general rule.

00:19:42.640 General rule.

00:19:44.860 All right.

00:19:45.940 Let me, actually, we have a photo

00:19:48.260 from the March 27 filing.

00:19:52.960 Is that just the same photo we've been showing?

00:19:55.640 No.

00:19:56.260 Okay, yeah, this is the chain of cuts.

00:19:57.400 thing we were talking about. This is the defense saying, hey, listen, here we sit in March. This

00:20:04.960 is March of 2026. This is six months after Charlie Kirk passed away, more than six months

00:20:09.560 after Charlie Kirk passed away. This is more than six months after they did all the testing

00:20:13.480 and submitted the report. This is several months after they produced the report. And the defense

00:20:18.600 in March is still saying, hey, we don't have copies of the chain of custody documents for

00:20:23.320 these items. We don't even have the log entry for these items. We don't have the documentation that

00:20:30.320 says where these materials are, where they're being stored, how they're being stored. Are they

00:20:34.260 being destroyed by being stored improperly? We don't have the weights and the different

00:20:39.980 measurements that went along with this. If you want to convince people this isn't a multi-agency

00:20:48.000 cover-up, if you want to convince people the federal government has nothing to do with the

00:20:51.320 death of charlie kirk this is not how you handle evidence this is not how you handle evidence this

00:20:56.300 is not how things don't you don't lose three bullet jacket fragments without providing an

00:21:00.540 explanation of how you don't hide the report from the defense for 90 days and i have a feeling the

00:21:06.120 reason they hid the report is because it was inconclusive it was inconclusive the report

00:21:12.460 couldn't state that that bullet was fired from that gun and so they just didn't turn it over

00:21:18.160 and then they come back with this well to in order to be more sure we'll just destroy the evidence

00:21:23.820 nope sorry sorry i hope judge graff rules properly on this in january i hope he makes sure that

00:21:30.300 evidence doesn't get destroyed before the defense has an opportunity to examine it in its present

00:21:34.680 condition they've already altered and changed the nature of it when they peeled everything back in

00:21:40.380 order to get a closer look we saw the difference in the fragments in the as received and as prepared

00:21:46.600 These look different.

00:21:48.620 These look different.

00:21:49.620 You can take a look at it here.

00:21:51.240 That's as they received it.

00:21:52.460 And then when you click it, you can see the one on the right as prepared.

00:21:55.800 Those are changed, fundamentally changed.

00:21:58.580 The nature of that evidence has been altered before the defense ever had a chance to look

00:22:03.700 at it.

00:22:05.640 So I, you got to put a lot of faith in a trial judge in a situation like this.

00:22:10.580 The trial judge is, in many ways, like the little miniature emperor of what's going on at the trial court level.

00:22:16.740 You've got to hope he makes the right decision here.

00:22:18.820 You've got to hope he doesn't make the defense sit back and watch as evidence gets destroyed.

00:22:24.720 Evidence allegedly has already been lost or apparently already been lost.

00:22:28.620 We're talking about putting a young man to death for a crime he may or may not have committed.

00:22:33.140 You need to be sure.

00:22:36.520 You need to be very, very sure.

00:22:39.020 All right. I want to roll forward to something really weird, frankly. As we came across this, I noticed Diligent Denizen over on X had commented on a messaging app called Flock Messaging. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Flock cameras. These cameras everybody has heartburn about that are on roadways all over the place and apparently in parks and schools and weird places like that.

00:23:00.860 diligent denizen noticed that tyler robinson his email address had registered allegedly

00:23:10.000 the record seemed to indicate that his email address had registered for one of these flock

00:23:15.280 messaging app accounts and done so well after he was in custody in fact like a year after he was

00:23:23.800 taken into custody it raised a lot of questions who has access to his email account what are they

00:23:28.040 doing with it what is this flock messaging app and who else might be on this platform well we

00:23:34.480 took a closer look after seeing that he'd identified tyler robinson's email address

00:23:38.780 popping up on this i'll show you real quickly probably the most interesting do we want to pull

00:23:44.160 up the the flock website just so they can get an idea of what it even is there it is right there

00:23:50.400 flock website this if you've used microsoft teams and if you have i apologize if you've used slack

00:23:57.260 if you work at a place and there's lots of employees and you want to cut down on the

00:24:01.720 number of meetings and you want to cut down on the amount of emails going back and forth and

00:24:04.460 you don't want things getting lost in text messages a lot of companies open one of these

00:24:09.060 messaging platforms this is just very similar to those they each have a little difference i'm sure

00:24:14.120 but it's very similar in nature to a slack or a microsoft teams so if you want to know what it is

00:24:21.900 You, you sign up, you sign up with your email, you get on a team and then you get added to

00:24:27.540 different groups and you can have these kind of communications over your phone or over

00:24:31.840 your computer, but you don't have to have just a relentless onslaught of emails that

00:24:37.600 are difficult to sift through, you know, all your spam and everything else, your, your

00:24:41.340 orders for takeout and everything else you get in your email inbox.

00:24:44.260 And then you're like, okay, where's my work email?

00:24:45.740 Where's the project I'm working on?

00:24:47.420 These platforms kind of cut down on all that.

00:24:49.320 That's the purpose of them.

00:24:51.900 one of the weirdest things in this case happened the night of September 10th,

00:24:57.120 not the day of September 10th. That was tragic and horrible. That was when Charlie Kirk was

00:25:00.900 taken down, 1223 p.m. Later that night at 1109 p.m. Mountain Time, 1109 p.m. Mountain Time,

00:25:12.140 George Zen, George Zen was the old man who threw up his hands immediately after Charlie Kirk went

00:25:18.580 down. And he starts saying, I did it. I did it. I did it. You know, and then he was saying,

00:25:21.920 take me out, take me out. That's George Zinn. And immediately everybody assumed he did it

00:25:27.560 because my goodness, who runs through a crowd and takes credit for something like that if you

00:25:32.320 didn't do it. So he was taken into custody. He was kind of roughed up a little bit. They had to

00:25:36.280 take him to the hospital. That was in the hospital we've talked about on this program and my program,

00:25:41.260 how while he was at the hospital, he said that he actually confessed because it was part of a plan

00:25:45.840 to let the assailant get away.

00:25:47.180 That sort of flew under the radar.

00:25:48.660 That seems to indicate

00:25:49.720 that more than one person

00:25:51.080 was involved in what happened.

00:25:52.960 He started saying he did it

00:25:54.200 within two or three seconds

00:25:55.100 of everything happening.

00:25:57.080 But George is in custody

00:25:59.100 while he's at the hospital.

00:26:01.320 And the police asked

00:26:02.300 to take a look at his phone.

00:26:04.140 You mind if we look at your phone?

00:26:05.180 He said, yeah.

00:26:06.020 Yeah, you can have a look at my phone.

00:26:07.960 And they say,

00:26:08.360 is there going to be anything

00:26:08.900 on this phone

00:26:09.440 that we need to know about?

00:26:10.420 He's like, well, maybe.

00:26:12.520 Like anything illegal?

00:26:13.680 Like, eh, maybe.

00:26:15.840 And ultimately, they determined there was allegedly illegal material on the phone.

00:26:20.340 It was child material, young people in inappropriate situations.

00:26:26.140 And so they take his phone into custody.

00:26:27.960 They take his phone into custody.

00:26:29.480 Here is a link from where they took George Zinn's phone into custody.

00:26:35.300 This is on one of the search warrants where they're kind of given a narrative description.

00:26:38.720 I know I'm taking things out of order here.

00:26:41.320 So this is towards the end of the interview, the highlight at the top.

00:26:45.120 Agents asked to go into his phone and George allowed them.

00:26:47.480 Now slide down to the highlight at the bottom.

00:26:50.520 The police officer says, I ask that a warrant be approved to prevent the loss of evidence

00:26:55.020 contained on George's phone, which is currently in possession of the Utah County Sheriff's

00:27:00.220 Office.

00:27:00.460 So George Zinn's phone is in possession of the Utah County Sheriff's Office after George

00:27:07.860 Zinn was taken into custody at the hospital.

00:27:10.380 That's very important for this story.

00:27:13.060 Because later that night, after his phone was taken into custody,

00:27:16.420 later that night, George Zinn registers for a Flock account.

00:27:22.320 Here is the registration we were able to track down.

00:27:26.740 And now we blacked out their email and their name, but trust me,

00:27:30.000 we've done all our due diligence.

00:27:31.560 This is George Zinn's email, and this is George Zinn's username.

00:27:35.500 You're just going to have to trust us on this, but that is him.

00:27:38.340 We've done all due diligence on this, passed all our standards, and it's ready for air.

00:27:43.280 But you'll notice the time there.

00:27:45.660 It's 22.09, so that's 10.09, and the time zone is Pacific time, which would be 11.09 mountain time.

00:27:55.060 Now, at first, when we came across this, we thought, well, maybe everybody registers on Pacific time.

00:27:58.920 Maybe that's just the default time on the platform.

00:28:01.360 So we, you know, have that in the back of our minds.

00:28:03.460 Maybe that's just when these things register.

00:28:05.900 But this is well after he's in custody.

00:28:07.880 Now, it's possible.

00:28:08.920 Now, he did not stay in custody.

00:28:10.900 He left custody, but his phone stayed in custody.

00:28:14.540 George Zinn himself actually was released that day,

00:28:16.700 believe it or not,

00:28:17.260 even though he had illegal materials on his phone,

00:28:19.180 even though he had said that he did it

00:28:21.700 and that he was part of a plan,

00:28:23.900 that that was his plan,

00:28:24.860 was to let the actual assailants get away

00:28:26.560 and to take police attention to him,

00:28:28.760 they still let him go.

00:28:30.820 And he didn't come back into custody

00:28:32.360 for, I think, three or four more days.

00:28:33.540 but that night 10 0 9 p.m pacific time 11 09 p.m mountain time there in utah somebody using george

00:28:42.080 zin's email george zin's username allegedly applies for a flock account it's kind of a weird

00:28:49.560 set of circumstances that's a weird time uh man might need a flock account he doesn't have his

00:28:55.140 text messaging capabilities anymore he doesn't have a phone he doesn't strike me as a man of

00:28:59.760 tremendous means that he can go out and drop another thousand bucks on a phone real fast and

00:29:03.220 get a new line fired up overnight in the middle of the night. Who is George Zen need to talk to

00:29:08.400 so badly in the middle of the night? 10.09 p.m. Mountain Time. So just hold that whole story in

00:29:15.660 your head. It's a weird story. Allegedly, George Zen signs up for this account that night after he

00:29:21.800 leaves police custody while the police have his phone. So one option is George Zen went out and

00:29:26.800 signed up for the account. Another option, darker option, frankly, is somebody in law enforcement

00:29:31.880 perhaps, or somebody with access to George Zen's phone applies for a flock messaging account on

00:29:37.180 his behalf. That's even darker. Dark enough that George Zen runs out to join this flock messaging

00:29:43.340 app because his phone's been taken away. It's not like you can text people from it. I mean,

00:29:47.840 this is something you have to know people on the platform. He wasn't on it before September 10th,

00:29:52.380 and then the night of September 10th, after he's in custody, he jumps on this platform. So

00:29:55.780 that's all a weird situation. That might be weird in isolation. So then we start running through a

00:30:01.540 bunch of other people connected to the case and we start looking for specific people to determine

00:30:05.920 is there anyone else on this flock messaging app well in fact we found someone this person opened

00:30:11.880 two accounts allegedly two accounts on flock messaging using two different personal email

00:30:18.000 accounts not business accounts personal email accounts two different ones and we will pull up

00:30:24.400 the first one here. This is Dr. Erica Kirk. Dr. Erica Kirk jumps on the Flock messaging account.

00:30:32.740 Now, you'll notice the time. This is not September 10th. This is May 6th, 2026. This is one of the

00:30:39.560 two accounts we were able to find on her. One of the two. Now, notice the time, 9, 10 p.m.

00:30:46.080 And this time zone is central time in May of 2006.

00:30:53.640 This is central time in May of 2006.

00:30:55.620 And so it's not as if the time zones are defaulted to Pacific and everybody gets a Pacific time zone.

00:31:01.720 So this is account one that we could find that allegedly could have been opened or at least was opened using credentials with one of Erica Kirk's personal email address.

00:31:11.220 That was at 9, 10 p.m. on May 6th.

00:31:13.520 Here's the second.

00:31:15.040 This is at 8.48, excuse me, a.m., 8.48 a.m. on May the 6th.

00:31:20.780 So one of them was at 9.10 a.m., one of them was at 8.48 a.m.

00:31:24.140 So 22 minutes apart.

00:31:27.160 Two different accounts were opened using two different Erica Kirk personal email accounts

00:31:34.020 on the Flock Messaging app.

00:31:36.160 They were listed in central time.

00:31:39.400 They're listed in central time, May the 6th of 2026.

00:31:44.040 This is not before Charlie passes away.

00:31:46.460 This is eight months later.

00:31:47.680 Now you could say, I always try to think of the other side, you know, what could be an

00:31:51.720 innocent explanation.

00:31:52.860 You could say, yeah, maybe she opened up a flock messaging app through work.

00:31:58.380 Why wouldn't you use your work email account?

00:32:00.900 You could say, maybe she opened it up through one of her other businesses, Bible and 365

00:32:05.640 or Proclaim.

00:32:06.380 Well, she has email accounts associated with those businesses as well.

00:32:08.860 Why wouldn't you open them with those businesses?

00:32:11.520 And you could say, well, maybe she just wanted a personal Flock messaging account.

00:32:14.400 Well, so why were there two?

00:32:16.540 I mean, you always raise the possibility.

00:32:19.440 You always leave open the possibility it wasn't her.

00:32:21.920 You leave open the possibility it wasn't George Zen, but it gets a little weird when

00:32:25.020 there's two emails associated with you.

00:32:26.760 That kind of narrows it down a little bit.

00:32:28.600 We ourselves tested this.

00:32:30.500 In order to apply and register on the Flock platform, you have to verify your email account.

00:32:36.240 You sign up for it and they send you a verification and that's when you get accepted to the platform.

00:32:41.120 That's when you get accepted to Flock.

00:32:42.760 That's when your entry is created.

00:32:44.240 That's when your username and your password are now activated.

00:32:48.800 Before that, you just, you can't use it.

00:32:51.600 You're kind of locked out.

00:32:53.720 But then there was the third one.

00:32:55.260 So we had George Zinn the night of September 10th.

00:32:57.900 Very strange, very strange.

00:32:59.420 In fact, had George Zinn not registered,

00:33:01.380 or someone using George Zinn's personal email address,

00:33:03.860 not registered on September 10th,

00:33:06.780 we might not even notice the weirdness of Erica Kirk registering on the exact same platform a 0.73

00:33:12.240 few months later. But the weirdest one of all is the next one. This is Tyler Robinson. Tyler

00:33:21.220 Robinson. This is Tyler Robinson's personal email account. And we know it is because it's in the

00:33:27.520 warrants. This is in the search warrants. And this one was created also on Pacific Time

00:33:34.140 on September 21th, just a few weeks ago, 2026.

00:33:39.600 Well, Tyler Robinson is, we're told, isolated, alone,

00:33:45.940 without access to his phone, without access to his computer,

00:33:49.480 in the Utah County Jail.

00:33:51.900 If that's true, who is using Tyler Robinson's personal email address

00:33:57.820 to register for messaging platforms?

00:33:59.720 And more importantly, why? 0.99

00:34:01.700 Erica, you can kind of say, well, maybe she, maybe she had some personal business and she

00:34:06.480 knew somebody that was on this platform.

00:34:09.500 George Zen's a little weirder.

00:34:11.180 I mean, it's maybe he lost his phone and he, you know, had a side hustle and they use Flock

00:34:15.460 and they were like, hey, jump on Flock.

00:34:16.680 Maybe, I don't know.

00:34:19.000 But Tyler Robinson's is without explanation.

00:34:21.720 There's really no explanation why his personal email account is allegedly registering for

00:34:28.160 a platform, a messaging platform, more than a year after he was taken into custody. Those three are

00:34:35.080 all active, by the way. All four of those, really, are all active, as we sit here today. It's a very,

00:34:40.900 very strange set of circumstances. In my opinion, it's something that bears some sort of explanation.

00:34:47.780 Tyler Robinson, for example, is not on the West Coast. George Zen was not on the West Coast. Why

00:34:52.360 do they have Pacific time zones? Where was Erica Kirk on May 6th? Was she in the central time 1.00

00:34:56.760 zone. Could that help explain why it registered as a central time zone? Did someone else have

00:35:01.620 access to her email accounts? We know someone else must have had access to Tyler Robinson's

00:35:05.960 email account. So there's just a lot of questions about this. Not going to be resolved here tonight.

00:35:10.720 We're not going to come out and say, here's the answer. Here's why. But we are going to raise this

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00:38:18.880 Before we jump into this next one, I got to tell you about a place called Karis Bible College.

00:38:25.100 Karis Bible College. We were first introduced, many of us, to Karis Bible College.

00:38:30.000 C-H-A-R-I-S.

00:38:32.120 Charis Bible, like charismatic.

00:38:34.160 Charisma.

00:38:35.040 Riz.

00:38:35.540 It's the Riz College.

00:38:36.580 Okay, sorry.

00:38:38.520 Charis Bible College is a very small school in Colorado.

00:38:43.240 Very small.

00:38:43.720 It's like a thousand students.

00:38:45.140 And, you know, I went to a high school that was bigger than that.

00:38:47.160 So it's a small school.

00:38:48.820 I'm not saying it's a bad school.

00:38:49.720 It's probably a great school.

00:38:50.400 But it's a small school in Colorado.

00:38:53.040 And most of us were first introduced to Charis Bible College because it was the place Charlie

00:38:58.020 Kirk was scheduled to speak the day after he passed away. It is not as large. I mean, UVU is

00:39:06.240 massive, right? UVU is a massive school. Lots of these state schools that Charlie Kirk would show

00:39:11.340 up on, very, very large schools. Karis Bible College is a very small school, and he was going

00:39:14.780 to do a small event that evening. And Candace Owens was actually the one that first broke that

00:39:19.520 news, and she made an interesting point about that event. Well, interestingly enough, I received

00:39:27.240 a tip from someone that was directly involved with the planning of an event that Charlie Kirk

00:39:33.020 was supposed to attend the following day. On September 11th, the day after his assassination,

00:39:39.480 Charlie was slated to speak in Woodland Park, Colorado, at the Cherise Bible College.

00:39:48.480 Okay, so that's in Woodland Park, Colorado. He was slated to speak there. And according to this

00:39:52.160 person, after Charlie got assassinated, there was a bit of a panicked meeting that took place,

00:39:56.620 which was headed by the chief of police.

00:39:59.700 They decided to transform this event into a vigil.

00:40:05.720 And they were panicked because believe it or not,

00:40:08.180 they had absolutely no security plan in place.

00:40:12.040 They thought, how odd.

00:40:13.180 We don't have a security plan in place.

00:40:14.520 Now we better consider this.

00:40:16.460 And we need to make sure

00:40:17.760 that we have police officer involvement.

00:40:21.200 Why didn't Dan Flood and Brian Harpole

00:40:23.880 and Turning Point USA's security

00:40:26.280 have any coordination with the police departments

00:40:30.580 up in Colorado.

00:40:33.220 If this is what they normally do

00:40:34.900 and whatever the way he over describes that

00:40:37.600 and they get the plan

00:40:38.680 and everybody can access

00:40:39.740 and start to begin to speak

00:40:41.140 and then we speak to the police

00:40:42.240 and then we do all this stuff.

00:40:44.600 We just didn't think to do that

00:40:46.320 for the event that he had the next day.

00:40:49.560 No police officer involvement scheduled, nothing.

00:40:52.360 Suddenly they're panicked

00:40:53.180 because they realize they don't have anything scheduled?

00:40:58.060 Yeah, it was a little odd.

00:40:59.880 It was a little odd.

00:41:01.860 Charlie Kirk was allegedly under constant attack.

00:41:06.540 Erica talks often about how there were many threats on his life,

00:41:11.080 and they would, you know, she encouraged him to wear body armor,

00:41:13.880 and at one point they talked about using plexiglass in front of him,

00:41:17.060 and he didn't want those distractions.

00:41:18.320 He didn't want those separations from himself and the audience

00:41:21.080 he was trying to reach.

00:41:22.680 So it's a little odd that the day before he passes away and they all look together and

00:41:28.000 say, well, he's, you know, let's put a vigil together.

00:41:29.780 Oh, he's supposed to be here tonight?

00:41:30.880 Why didn't anyone tell us?

00:41:32.340 Why didn't anyone talk to the local police?

00:41:34.060 Why didn't anybody work out a security plan?

00:41:35.660 Why didn't anybody tell us he was going to be there?

00:41:37.640 The event was supposed to take place at 7.05 p.m.

00:41:40.880 It was scheduled to end around 8.30 p.m.

00:41:44.380 You would think somebody would have alerted, you know, maybe police and ambulance.

00:41:49.920 We learned those probably should have been deployed the day earlier.

00:41:54.160 Well, they're going back.

00:41:56.100 They're going back.

00:41:57.020 TPSA is taking the show back on the road, this time to Karis Bible College, obviously

00:42:02.920 without Charlie, but Erica will be there.

00:42:06.160 Erica will be here.

00:42:07.040 Here's the poster for this week's event at Gospel Truth Way, Woodland Park, Colorado.

00:42:15.480 That picture, I don't know if you guys know, that picture comes from 2018.

00:42:18.380 That picture is eight years old.

00:42:19.920 maybe 2017. That was her promo shoot when she was a real estate agent before she even met Charlie

00:42:26.820 Kirk. That's always been very dark to me. It's always been very dark to me. If something happened

00:42:31.820 to my wife, I can't imagine going back to 1997 and pulling out old pictures of a young baron

00:42:37.680 before I ever met my wife and had kids and be like, this is how I want to be known from now on.

00:42:41.900 No, I mean, this is very strange, very, very strange. Maybe she thinks she looks great in it.

00:42:45.180 I don't know. But if you looked in that poster, pull it back up. There's somebody in that poster

00:42:49.880 that caught my eye.

00:42:52.080 It's a little strange.

00:42:54.040 The guy on the left, Lucas Miles,

00:42:55.800 is the head of TP Faith,

00:42:58.100 which frankly, I don't even know

00:42:59.800 why they're doing TP Faith anymore.

00:43:01.640 Danny Gokey, I guess he's a singer.

00:43:03.820 We got Dr. Frank Turek.

00:43:05.500 Everybody knows Frankenbank.

00:43:07.280 Notice he's got his shooting glasses on.

00:43:09.000 Always ready to go to the range

00:43:10.660 at a moment's notice.

00:43:11.900 Dr. Frank Turek is never going to be without

00:43:13.800 adequate eye protection.

00:43:15.980 Never, never, never.

00:43:17.100 And then all the way on the right

00:43:18.300 is a guy named Andrew Womack. Andrew Womack. So this Fantastic Five will be making their way

00:43:25.100 to the Karis Bible College. Who is Andrew Womack? Well, Andrew Womack's an interesting character.

00:43:34.080 He's a televangelist. He's a TV preacher. He's also a faith healer. And if you listen to Andrew

00:43:42.680 Womack tell it, his faith healing is pretty extreme. Take a listen to some of the work he

00:43:49.780 says he does here on his, on a podcast. You told me something we were seeing at lunch one day

00:43:55.580 and we were talking, I think we were actually talking about this story and you said, well,

00:44:01.220 Gene, we've had, there's been a lot of people here raised from the dead right here on this campus.

00:44:06.480 Talk about that. We've seen, I'm guessing now, I don't, haven't sat down and counted, but I could

00:44:12.240 say, we probably have seen four or five people raised from the dead right here on our campus,

00:44:18.020 and if you go to all of our schools, we got schools all over the world, and our missions

00:44:23.840 trips, we have, before a person can graduate, they have to go on a foreign missions trip,

00:44:28.840 and if you were to add them all together, we have well over 50 people that have been raised from the

00:44:33.800 dead. I'm not knocking raising people from the dead. I mean, I'm all in favor of it, I guess,

00:44:38.760 If you've got the power, Jesus certainly did it on at least one occasion.

00:44:44.060 I'm in favor of it, but I am skeptical.

00:44:47.880 I'm skeptical when someone tells me that the college they founded on that campus, four or five people, you don't even know how many people were raised from the dead.

00:44:56.960 It seems like it's remarkable.

00:44:58.020 Like you might make a mark on the wall.

00:44:59.520 Like we had somebody raised from the dead.

00:45:02.060 We should put a mark down.

00:45:02.880 We should remember this.

00:45:04.340 I don't know, four, maybe five people.

00:45:05.940 So, you know, four or five people tore an ACL in the football season last year.

00:45:10.180 I'm not sure which.

00:45:10.840 That's a little different than four or five people raised from the dead.

00:45:15.680 But he didn't stop there.

00:45:17.380 He didn't stop there.

00:45:18.560 He actually tells a story about a time he raised his own child from the dead.

00:45:24.880 It's a little weird.

00:45:27.740 Well, my wife and I just got home from an overseas trip.

00:45:30.860 And so we went to bed about, I think it was 2 o'clock in the morning.

00:45:34.880 And at 4.15, the phone rang, and it was my oldest son.

00:45:40.000 And he said, Dad, I'm sorry to tell you this, but he says, Peter, which is my youngest son, he said, he just died.

00:45:47.400 And so I asked him what happened.

00:45:49.680 And I immediately had this sermon that Pastor Bob Nichols from Fort Worth, Texas, had just preached.

00:45:57.220 And his sermon was the first reports, not the last report.

00:46:01.980 And so that's immediately what I said.

00:46:03.800 But I said, the first report's not the last report.

00:46:06.060 I said, don't let anybody touch him till we get there.

00:46:09.160 And when we finally got into Colorado Springs and got to the hospital,

00:46:12.860 it turned out that my son had been dead for over four hours.

00:46:17.740 And he was in a hospital morgue in a cooler, stripped naked with a tote tag on.

00:46:23.240 And when we got that call about 10, 15 minutes after that call,

00:46:28.040 he just sat up and started talking.

00:46:31.460 And by the time that we got into Colorado Springs, he was awake.

00:46:36.020 He was totally alert.

00:46:37.980 There was no brain damage, which we talked to him later about this.

00:46:41.900 And we were talking about how a miracle it was.

00:46:43.980 There was no brain damage.

00:46:45.220 And we didn't say anything at first.

00:46:47.320 And he says, well, no more than I had before.

00:46:51.480 I mean, I'm all for miracles.

00:46:52.980 Don't get me wrong.

00:46:53.660 I believe in miracles.

00:46:55.060 I believe God can raise people from the dead.

00:46:57.660 And maybe this guy just has the magic touch.

00:47:00.020 Maybe he's just out there raising people from the dead left and right.

00:47:02.740 But it's a little strange.

00:47:04.480 It's a little strange if we're being completely honest.

00:47:08.100 The TPSA faith people that they tend to bring into their organization, it's like they try to go out and find certain types of people that, frankly, a lot of people look at and are like, I'm not sure this is the best representation that we have in the arsenal, right?

00:47:27.660 We have a lot of people that can give up there and give great motivational speeches, and we got a lot of people that can get up there and, you know, encourage people in the faith or challenge them or convict them of their sin.

00:47:39.140 I don't know, man.

00:47:40.060 It's weird.

00:47:40.680 It's weird.

00:47:41.120 It's weird.

00:47:41.580 I'm sorry.

00:47:42.300 It's weird.

00:47:42.940 Do I believe in miracles?

00:47:43.840 Yes.

00:47:44.720 Do I believe this guy doesn't know how many people were raised from the dead on his campus?

00:47:49.260 I don't know.

00:47:50.240 Do I believe his son was dead for four hours?

00:47:52.300 I mean, I went through every possibility.

00:47:53.680 Again, I always try to discount and prove myself wrong.

00:47:56.060 maybe the kid wasn't dead maybe he was alive but they thought he was dead and they stripped him

00:48:02.300 naked and put him in there and then he woke back up maybe he's in a small coma or heartbeat slowed

00:48:06.720 down i don't know maybe but i just think if you're dead four hours you know rigor mortis is setting

00:48:12.040 in like you're you're you're dying you're dead you're dead i mean the reason you're in an ice

00:48:16.200 slab is because you're starting to smell and you're starting to rot so you know i don't i don't pull 0.98

00:48:24.040 that clip to bang on the man. I pull that clip to just ask, what is TPUSA Faith doing? Like,

00:48:29.200 what are they doing? Why are they going to these particular places? The only reason this even

00:48:33.620 landed on the radar for me is because they're going back to the Bible college where Charlie

00:48:38.200 Kirk was supposed to be the next day. And he didn't make it and they didn't have a security

00:48:43.060 plan. And I still want an answer for that. Who was going to go with him? Was it just Dan? Why

00:48:46.900 didn't Dan call ahead? Why didn't Dan arrange somebody else to help out with the security

00:48:52.020 that night? Why didn't he at least alert the chief of police and said, hey, we got a high

00:48:54.900 profile figure that routinely and regularly and pretty much daily gets death threats against him.

00:48:59.680 We're going to be in town. You think you could maybe throw an officer our way while we're there

00:49:03.260 speaking? So anyway, that's it. This next story is weird. Weirder, believe it or not. Weirder.

00:49:10.760 There's a guy that used to work at PragerU. I used to get assaulted with clips from this guy

00:49:16.920 all the time on social media. And every time I rolled my eyes. Tucker the other day took a

00:49:21.780 little bit of a heat for going after Scott Pressler and saying maybe that's not the manliest example

00:49:26.260 we have on the Republican side. Like maybe we're abandoning this macho, manly, Republican,

00:49:32.820 conservative, you know, toxic masculinity. And maybe we're just kind of like throwing up our

00:49:38.240 hands and putting a more effeminate foot forward. This next guy is even more effeminate than that,

00:49:45.360 if we're being honest. His name's Xavier DeRusso. Xavier DeRusso. That's actually one of the more

00:49:51.160 masculine pictures I've ever seen of the man. He filed a lawsuit. He filed a lawsuit against

00:49:57.160 PragerU. He filed it against the CEO of PragerU, Marissa Strait. She's a IDF, you know, Mossad

00:50:05.460 type figure, unit 8200. I mean, she's, I have no idea why she's in control of conservative 0.67

00:50:09.900 messaging in the United States, but that's a different story. And she, he even went on to

00:50:14.160 sue other people because while he was working at PragerU, he says he was facing sexual and

00:50:19.540 racial discrimination, a hostile work environment and wrongful termination, all this stuff. Here's

00:50:24.720 the headline from the Postmillennial. Xavier de Rousseau files a suit against PragerU over

00:50:30.260 hostile work environment, discrimination, and wrongful termination. They claim that

00:50:34.280 PragerU knowingly placed him in an unsafe position. A weird choice of language there

00:50:43.320 on that sub-headline.

00:50:44.900 Now, the lawsuit,

00:50:47.380 if you go through the details,

00:50:48.940 it's pretty strange.

00:50:50.540 It's pretty strange.

00:50:51.240 I'm going to go through the details

00:50:52.040 before we go through some clips

00:50:53.300 of Xavier DeRusso

00:50:54.320 that sort of undermine the claims,

00:50:56.180 in my opinion.

00:50:57.580 But he says he faced discrimination

00:50:59.260 because a colleague of his

00:51:02.940 openly and repeatedly admitted

00:51:05.060 he was racist.

00:51:06.140 This is somebody at PragerU.

00:51:07.640 This, again,

00:51:08.080 these are not proven claims.

00:51:09.300 I am not making these claims.

00:51:10.600 Candace is not making these claims.

00:51:12.060 This company is not making

00:51:13.180 these claims. I'm just telling you what the lawsuit says, that at least one colleague at

00:51:18.720 PragerU openly admitted he was racist, that he could not stand black people, that when he

00:51:28.960 admitted racism, after he admitted he was racist, he then made DeRusso stay in the same hotel room 0.58

00:51:35.460 as him, at a company event and called him an F-word, a bundle of sticks, not a four-letter

00:51:43.620 F-word, but I guess a six-letter F-word, numerous times at an event that he was surrounded by

00:51:50.860 seven men at an event one time and called a genocidal F-word, same F-word, and they attempted

00:51:57.820 to physically assault him, that he told the management about it, that he requested some

00:52:01.480 security and they denied the security. They scoffed at his concerns, according to the lawsuit.

00:52:07.520 He said a different colleague, a lead producer there, sent him a video with the file name

00:52:12.620 whodunit. When Xavier DeRusso opens the video, we will not show the video or the screencaps from

00:52:18.280 the video because it's pretty graphic. It depicted Xavier DeRusso being taken down by

00:52:24.460 live round

00:52:26.580 that's what the video

00:52:28.460 AI obviously

00:52:29.960 but it depicted him

00:52:31.280 being taken down

00:52:31.880 by a live round

00:52:32.660 they have screenshots

00:52:34.400 of that video

00:52:35.260 in the lawsuit

00:52:36.240 it's pretty gruesome

00:52:36.960 the screen reads

00:52:38.360 wasted

00:52:38.980 when DeRusso

00:52:40.800 is taken down

00:52:42.280 reminiscent of

00:52:43.720 a popular video game

00:52:45.980 called Grand Theft Auto

00:52:47.160 but he said

00:52:49.100 he was just

00:52:49.520 basically ambushed

00:52:51.160 by PragerU

00:52:52.220 over and over

00:52:53.200 and over

00:52:54.460 Well, PragerU responded, obviously.

00:52:58.780 They deny this, so we'll show their response.

00:53:01.120 I think it's fair to hear from both sides.

00:53:02.480 If you're going to say what one side said,

00:53:04.120 you should say what the other side said.

00:53:05.720 Here's PragerU's response.

00:53:07.860 They deny it, obviously.

00:53:09.420 Holy rejects claims made by former PragerForce personality

00:53:13.580 Xavier DeRusso.

00:53:15.600 They do not tolerate discrimination of any kind.

00:53:17.860 They take appropriate action when necessary.

00:53:21.000 Many businesses, especially conservative organizations,

00:53:24.020 are often confronted

00:53:25.300 with a kind of lawfare

00:53:26.820 aimed at destroying them

00:53:28.640 now reached our doorstep.

00:53:31.980 When resources intended

00:53:33.260 for a mission

00:53:33.820 are instead spent on litigation,

00:53:35.280 the mission suffers.

00:53:37.200 And given the awful state

00:53:38.020 of American education,

00:53:38.940 PragerU's mission

00:53:39.600 is more important than ever.

00:53:41.180 We therefore much rather

00:53:42.920 devote our time, energy,

00:53:43.820 and resources

00:53:44.280 to the millions of students

00:53:45.720 of all ages whom we serve.

00:53:48.380 Having to devote time

00:53:49.420 and resources

00:53:49.940 as litigation is frustrating

00:53:51.080 also strengthens our resolve

00:53:52.700 to defend Prager U's good name.

00:53:54.060 So I felt like it was fair.

00:53:55.460 If we're going to mention the lawsuit,

00:53:56.680 we need to mention their response as well.

00:54:00.340 But we got to look at the merits of the claim.

00:54:02.860 Xavier DeRusso is saying that because he was black,

00:54:05.180 he was discriminated against at work.

00:54:07.180 Well, let's take a look in Xavier DeRusso's own words.

00:54:12.780 Being black is a very easy life.

00:54:14.620 And people get mad at me when I say that, 0.52

00:54:16.280 but it is so convenient being black in America in 2024.

00:54:19.660 And that's because of the hard work

00:54:20.980 that was put in by pioneers of the civil rights movement

00:54:23.940 and people who actually worked to get the slaves freed.

00:54:26.400 But Dr. West, every time he touches the mic,

00:54:28.500 he talks like he's trying to still get the slaves freed

00:54:30.940 when clearly he's just mentally stuck in the past.

00:54:34.280 And that's what I was trying to explain to him.

00:54:35.960 And I tried to do it as respectfully as possible

00:54:37.900 as he's trying to put this narrative

00:54:39.920 of white supremacy onto me

00:54:41.460 and make me feel like there's all these obstacles

00:54:43.600 that I have because of skin color.

00:54:45.060 If my perspective is single-handedly enough

00:54:47.660 for me to avoid all these acts of racism

00:54:50.340 that I'm apparently supposed to be drowning in,

00:54:52.260 then I think that that shows

00:54:53.240 that it's a figment of your imagination

00:54:54.560 and it's something that you just have

00:54:56.540 some sort of PTSD on that you've chosen to have.

00:55:00.620 And that's not saying that there aren't racist people

00:55:02.640 or racist circumstantial situations,

00:55:04.360 but there's not a single demographic in this country

00:55:07.180 or in this world that has not been discriminated against.

00:55:09.300 So please cry me a river and get your life together.

00:55:12.680 I think that will be an exhibit in the defense.

00:55:15.680 I imagine, PragerU, will play that clip for the jury

00:55:18.540 if this ever makes it that far.

00:55:20.120 It's pretty compelling.

00:55:21.380 Pretty compelling.

00:55:21.840 Being black in America is easy, man.

00:55:23.400 It's amazing.

00:55:24.440 It's amazing.

00:55:25.480 Discriminated.

00:55:26.080 Who gets discriminated against?

00:55:28.300 Well, why did they hire this guy in the first place?

00:55:30.180 What are his politics?

00:55:31.040 Because he doesn't look or act very conservative at first glance.

00:55:35.820 So let's take a look at another video that may give us an idea of what sort of message

00:55:40.300 he pushes that attracts PragerU.

00:55:43.580 Imagine supporting people who start wars just to lose the wars so they can cry about it

00:55:49.500 And then try it all again. 0.79

00:55:51.320 You must see anti-Semites are literally obsessed with Jews. 0.92

00:55:54.400 Now walk with me. 0.93

00:55:56.520 While you must see anti-Semites are stacking eviction notices, Jews are out here stacking up businesses. 0.94

00:56:02.920 Jews control all the industries. 0.99

00:56:04.760 Maybe if you spent more time taking notes from successful people, 0.98

00:56:07.700 you wouldn't have to spend your nights and weekends spreading hate from your anonymous account with an anime profile picture. 1.00

00:56:13.800 Do you work as hard as Jews? 0.96

00:56:15.700 Do you network like Jews? 1.00

00:56:17.000 No, because you're too busy cheering on a group of musty terrorists who smell like dirty earring backs. 1.00

00:56:22.120 And if we're going to keep it real, you're really mad because your income is giving side hustle. 0.84

00:56:25.720 Period.

00:56:26.200 How are you going to hate from outside, Shabbat?

00:56:27.560 You can't even get in.

00:56:33.440 PragerU talent, ladies and gentlemen.

00:56:35.100 He actually worked on a kid's show for PragerU.

00:56:38.560 He worked on a kid's show.

00:56:39.500 You see that drink he's holding, this oppressed guy that's constantly under attack now,

00:56:44.700 apparently constantly under attack at work?

00:56:46.760 That drink he's holding, we found it online.

00:56:49.860 It's a $22 smoothie.

00:56:52.840 That strawberry probiotic smoothie, or maybe it's that strawberry glazed skin smoothie.

00:56:57.300 Can't figure out which one it is.

00:56:58.240 Either a $21 or a $22 smoothie.

00:57:01.320 From a grocery store, apparently I'm too poor to even have heard of before.

00:57:05.980 Erewhon?

00:57:08.040 Erewhon, I'm told.

00:57:09.120 Erewhon.

00:57:10.160 Erewhon.

00:57:12.740 So they provided him a really good life, I'll be honest.

00:57:16.060 If you're walking around, strutting around on town, banging on non-Jews for not working hard enough, you know, that's your thing.

00:57:24.100 But, yeah, I hosted a kid's show.

00:57:25.380 This is like the guy makes Liberace look straight, and he's hosting a kid's show for a conservative organization.

00:57:31.520 I'm very confused.

00:57:32.660 I thought what conservatives were in his drag time story. 0.99

00:57:34.940 All right.

00:57:35.640 I want to show a couple photos.

00:57:36.940 I want to show a couple photos here because I don't think you've got a full grasp of what I'm talking about.

00:57:42.920 when I'm talking about the guy

00:57:44.900 that conservative organizations

00:57:46.100 have been pushing in front of your children.

00:57:48.640 Here is Xavier DeRusso on Halloween.

00:57:53.140 Yes, yes, in a cat suit,

00:57:55.140 in a cat suit, ladies and gentlemen,

00:57:56.720 playing the Chris Tucker character

00:57:58.320 from Fifth Element.

00:58:01.080 How about in his best Erica Kirk outfit?

00:58:05.460 Well, it's kind of, it's not orange,

00:58:07.320 but it's a glittered pantsuit.

00:58:08.960 It's a glittered pantsuit.

00:58:11.000 How about just lounging?

00:58:12.600 How does he, how does he, oh yeah, you got a lounge.

00:58:15.720 I'm on a boat.

00:58:17.180 Hey, there's no laws when you're drinking claws, just in case you're wondering.

00:58:20.620 No laws when you're drinking claws.

00:58:21.840 This is, this is how he kicks back.

00:58:23.540 Very oppressed young man.

00:58:26.500 What about how he feels about Donald Trump?

00:58:29.580 You know, you know, most people go in the White House.

00:58:31.400 They, they handle themselves a certain way.

00:58:33.740 They, they, they, it's an austere environment.

00:58:37.500 Well, unless you're, well, I'll leave that joke out, but it's an austere environment.

00:58:42.760 How does he act at the White House?

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00:59:31.320 Notice he's the only one acting like that.

00:59:33.200 I don't know.

00:59:33.920 You know, you make of that what you will.

00:59:35.960 but not only that he's on a boat he's at the white house how does he travel how does a man

00:59:43.300 like this travel an oppressed man that has to file a lawsuit oh here we go yeah we gotta

00:59:47.780 hopefully he gets inside the plane before it takes off but you gotta have your uh louis vuitton bag

00:59:53.220 you gotta have your fancy suit on i don't know man i i think the republican part you know we're

00:59:59.300 doing a lot in the in the the wake of the and i'm trying to leave the midterms behind but we're doing

01:00:03.120 a lot of come-to-Jesus-ing in the wake of the midterms. Like, how do we get voters back in the

01:00:07.900 fold? Stop putting people like this in front of voters and telling them that they should become

01:00:13.260 conservative Republicans. Maybe start there. Maybe start there. Maybe man up a little bit.

01:00:19.340 Maybe man up a little bit. A little toxic masculinity goes a long way towards winning over 1.00

01:00:24.040 young voters. 2024 was a huge toxic masculinity moment. Donald Trump was like a bull in a

01:00:29.140 China shop. And he won young men overwhelmingly. Then they put these guys out in front and all of

01:00:35.780 a sudden young men go running for the other side. They can't find the exit door fast enough. So

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01:01:53.780 We'll get to the top comments from last episode

01:01:57.280 A couple programming notes before that though

01:01:59.340 I will be back tomorrow

01:02:00.560 Next week the schedule is going to shift back a day

01:02:02.880 I've been doing Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday

01:02:03.940 Next week it'll be Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday

01:02:06.180 So make sure your calendar's adequately updated

01:02:09.060 Because I may forget to tell you

01:02:10.240 And then people panic and don't know where we are

01:02:11.800 So make a mental note of that

01:02:14.240 But top comments from last episode

01:02:15.600 From StartCam 0.99

01:02:18.220 Erica immediately forgives him, but wants a swift execution.

01:02:22.640 Make that make sense.

01:02:24.700 I'm very concerned by this because one of the concerns they have with the delay coming up is that they're not getting justice for the family and, you know, that they have so much uncertainty and it's still holding out there.

01:02:36.800 Erica seemed pretty convinced within 10 days at the memorial service that it was, in fact, Tyler Robinson and she forgave him.

01:02:43.720 And so, and he's in jail.

01:02:45.340 I mean, he's in solitary confinement.

01:02:46.560 I'm not sure why it matters at this point, frankly, but we're neither here nor there.

01:02:53.580 Next comment from Valane.

01:02:55.540 Valane.

01:02:56.860 I'm so grateful you speak legal and can explain all this court stuff to us.

01:03:00.840 Thanks for sharing your expertise.

01:03:03.000 You're welcome.

01:03:03.800 You're welcome.

01:03:04.340 Happy to help wherever I can.

01:03:06.880 Top comments from today's episode.

01:03:08.340 Autumn, welcome to the world.

01:03:11.040 What a gorgeous baby boy.

01:03:13.020 I agree.

01:03:14.100 I agree.

01:03:14.880 I could not agree more.

01:03:16.600 I hope delivery went smoothly and Candace is feeling well.

01:03:19.380 Congratulations to the family.

01:03:21.420 God bless you all, and may you enjoy this time soaking in your newest edition.

01:03:27.100 Yes, congratulations to George and Candace and all the siblings.

01:03:30.300 Man, the siblings are smitten.

01:03:32.000 They're smitten.

01:03:33.060 It's beautiful to watch.

01:03:34.880 Curious Catatech.

01:03:38.120 First necromancy comment I've ever had in my live career. 0.97

01:03:42.060 Necromancy isn't going to resurrect T-R-U-S-P-A, 0.96

01:03:47.720 but honesty and transparency could help them get into the light.

01:03:51.660 Christ is king indeed.

01:03:53.180 I don't know what all that means, but I agree with you.

01:03:56.020 I couldn't agree with you more.

01:03:58.860 Next one, fact-checking scribe.

01:04:01.660 Congratulations to Candace and George on the birth of baby Conrad.

01:04:04.240 Of course, of course, of course.

01:04:06.480 Mandy's, Uncle Baron in the house.

01:04:08.940 Congratulations, Candace and George.

01:04:10.340 Baby Conrad James is so handsome, is a handsome, very alert, too, very alert.

01:04:15.760 I've had eight of these kids.

01:04:16.720 I know what they're supposed to look like.

01:04:17.980 This one's wide-eyed, like he's looking around.

01:04:21.200 He's not letting the world go by.

01:04:23.200 He's soaking in every moment, soaking in every moment.

01:04:27.080 Kathy, does Flock show users connections to other users, much like LinkedIn does?

01:04:33.260 Not that we've been able to tell.

01:04:34.960 Not that we've been able to tell, but we're just cracking into this tool.

01:04:37.700 We're just getting going.

01:04:38.940 We've got a lot of people

01:04:39.740 we want to run through this tool

01:04:40.740 and see the extent of the connections.

01:04:44.020 Good question, though.

01:04:44.800 Good question. 1.00

01:04:46.300 Mama Llama wasn't E-Force One 1.00

01:04:50.000 established around the same time

01:04:51.840 as her Flock accounts.

01:04:53.360 That's interesting.

01:04:55.200 I think that time actually

01:04:56.860 might add up pretty nicely

01:04:58.120 now that you mention it.

01:05:00.000 We'll have to go back and look at that.

01:05:01.020 Maybe we can bring that back up

01:05:02.200 here in the near future.

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01:05:24.560 You can stop anti-Candacism.

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01:05:50.340 make him a hot dog shirt i will not believe the fed slop i don't know if i get caught

01:05:54.860 believing the fed slop why am i writing that out is that what you do when you get in trouble

01:05:57.680 that what bar simpson always had to do with the opening i never believed the fed slop ladies

01:06:02.740 of gentlemen. I was not a FedSlapper. From the very beginnings of this, I was not a FedSlapper.

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01:06:16.680 Again, scheduling update for next week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, instead of Monday, Tuesday,

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Candace Owens - November 11, 2026

Who Was Tyler Robinson Messaging From Prison？｜ TPUSA Faith Pastor Says He Can Raise The Dead.

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Candace Owens - November 11, 2026

Who Was Tyler Robinson Messaging From Prison？ ｜ TPUSA Faith Pastor Says He Can Raise The Dead.

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Who Was Tyler Robinson Messaging From Prison？｜ TPUSA Faith Pastor Says He Can Raise The Dead.