Classically Abby - November 19, 2019


FORD V. FERRARI MOVIE REVIEW ｜｜ Husband VS. Wife Movie Review


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36 minutes

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6,877

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721

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Transcript

00:00:00.080 Hello beautiful ladies and gents and welcome to today's video. Stop drinking!
00:00:05.260 Hello beautiful ladies and gents and welcome to today's video where we're going to be doing a husband versus wife movie review on Ford versus Ferrari.
00:00:16.180 So we saw this movie for my, no not for my birthday.
00:00:21.220 No, we didn't. We saw no movies for your birthday.
00:00:24.880 We didn't even though that was like the biggest part of our original plan.
00:00:28.500 Yes.
00:00:28.860 And then none of that happened.
00:00:31.120 So we saw this movie.
00:00:33.060 Last night.
00:00:34.380 Yes. We saw this movie and the ultimate determination about it, which we will explain and which we will justify, is we enjoyed it, we would recommend it to people, but I would not want to on principle because it got on my nerves.
00:00:55.780 Right.
00:00:56.160 The flaws in it. The way that I describe it is that it's a movie where the writing is, gets in the way of the movie in contrived and grating ways, but the directing, the cinematography, the acting, the editing for the most part, all are so good.
00:01:17.500 And so competent that you're so good and so competent that you're still engaged for like almost three hours.
00:01:21.520 Right.
00:01:21.740 But so I enjoyed it, but I also was so annoyed by these unnecessary avoidable flaws that I resent the movie for being something I'd recommend.
00:01:34.000 See, I went to the movie, loved most of it. I wouldn't say every second because there were parts of it that I didn't think were totally necessary, but I...
00:01:44.000 You could say that the movie didn't do a perfect lap.
00:01:46.760 Oh God, don't get me started. But yes, there were parts of it that I...
00:01:51.840 I think we're here to start. I think that's the very point of this.
00:01:54.520 That's the very point of this.
00:01:55.260 I felt like I watched the movie, enjoyed it, didn't feel like it was almost three hours.
00:02:02.180 And when we left the theater, I thought to myself, I'm really happy I went to see that.
00:02:07.280 But the last 10 minutes I thought were unnecessary and made me...
00:02:13.640 The things that I was questioning already earlier in the viewing made me question even more, those last 10 minutes.
00:02:20.280 Yeah.
00:02:20.460 So why don't we hop in and talk about the story a little bit?
00:02:24.780 Overview of the movie.
00:02:25.860 Yeah.
00:02:26.280 So the idea of the movie is it's two things at once.
00:02:30.920 Yeah.
00:02:31.140 Right?
00:02:31.960 It's a bromance drama of two men, high performers, who work together.
00:02:39.200 They already have their established working relationship.
00:02:40.800 Right.
00:02:40.980 So we don't have that annoying take-up period where everything has to be an origin story.
00:02:45.240 And so you waste time on contriving the circumstances.
00:02:47.860 Now, two men respect each other, work with each other.
00:02:50.040 And now they just have a challenge, which is like the biggest thing in their careers, kind
00:02:54.380 of, that they're going to meet.
00:02:55.800 And it's just compelling.
00:02:57.260 Fair.
00:02:57.860 Yeah.
00:02:58.140 Then the second part is it's like a sports movie.
00:03:01.120 And it's competitive and it's about the rivalry, except that Ferrari, it's supposed to be 4V or Ferrari in the title.
00:03:08.400 Ferrari figures less in this.
00:03:10.300 Yeah.
00:03:10.500 And it's more about, it's kind of like it's an objective challenge.
00:03:15.160 Kind of like those movies where people try to overcome nature in a certain way or just trying to achieve something objectively impressive.
00:03:21.560 Yeah.
00:03:21.660 It would be the same thing as if this were a movie about trying to run the fastest mile you could do.
00:03:25.780 Yeah.
00:03:26.200 Like the other competitors don't really matter.
00:03:27.540 I mean, it's like a little bit there, but they play it up.
00:03:30.380 It's funny.
00:03:31.000 I actually...
00:03:31.640 I'd say they play it down.
00:03:33.120 Well, they play it up in the sense of, I looked up some things about the historical accuracy of the movie.
00:03:40.140 I should have done that.
00:03:41.280 Very unprofessional.
00:03:43.040 Well, a couple things that stood out to me was that Ferrari was not there, actually, at the race of Lamont.
00:03:48.920 Wait, what?
00:03:49.280 He wasn't at the race.
00:03:51.020 Oh, I thought you meant the team wasn't there.
00:03:53.120 Oh, no, no, no.
00:03:54.120 The team wasn't there.
00:03:54.240 Herbie Ferrari.
00:03:55.380 We got the Ford.
00:03:56.380 We got the race.
00:03:57.600 The Ferrari was historically inaccurate, but who cares?
00:04:00.300 No, no.
00:04:00.660 Ferrari himself did not go to the race.
00:04:03.340 Not himself, Ferrari.
00:04:04.380 Yeah.
00:04:04.720 He wasn't there.
00:04:05.920 And then the thing that you and I had been curious about...
00:04:09.140 Sorry, this is a little bit of a shift.
00:04:10.640 But the thing that you and I had been curious about, about whether Beeb was actually...
00:04:15.100 Beeb?
00:04:15.700 Is it Beeb or Beeb?
00:04:17.220 The Senior Vice President of Marketing?
00:04:19.280 Oh, okay.
00:04:19.820 We've got to put the audience in context for this.
00:04:23.080 Well, I was going to say one thing, which is that the guy who kind of creates most of the conflict of the movie...
00:04:29.740 Played by Josh Lucas.
00:04:31.140 Played by Josh Lucas.
00:04:32.100 Who plays every character you've ever wanted to smack in an Adam Zeele movie.
00:04:36.040 Oh, yeah, that's true.
00:04:37.180 Yeah.
00:04:37.400 They played up his character's conflict stuff, which was what we had been wondering about.
00:04:43.460 But that's a later conversation.
00:04:45.780 So, anyways, going back to what you were talking about.
00:04:48.860 Okay.
00:04:49.120 So, it's two things.
00:04:51.180 It's your bromance movie.
00:04:52.360 It's your sports rivalry...
00:04:54.740 Right?
00:04:56.420 Rivalry.
00:04:57.580 Rivalry.
00:04:58.660 Rivalry.
00:04:59.060 Rivalry.
00:04:59.600 Rivalry.
00:05:00.000 Rivalry.
00:05:00.400 And it's slash your objectively impressive achievement movie.
00:05:05.320 Great.
00:05:06.300 Compelling.
00:05:06.900 Christian Bale, we know he can act.
00:05:08.840 Matt Damon, we know he can act.
00:05:10.880 We might not want these people to be people to give credit to, but you give them credit.
00:05:14.220 Don't worry.
00:05:14.600 Christian Bale did lose his prerequisite 40 pounds before playing the part, so we know he's Christian Bale.
00:05:20.120 Because otherwise we wouldn't know he was specifically Ken Miles in this movie.
00:05:23.520 Well, because you wouldn't know it was specifically Christian Bale if he didn't lose 40 pounds or gain 40 pounds for a role.
00:05:29.080 He's the Joaquin Phoenix of creepy Englishmen, Welshmen, rather than creepy Americans.
00:05:33.940 Joaquin Phoenix is a discussion for another time because I have a lot of feelings, but continue.
00:05:38.360 We never, or rather, we've not yet done a review of You Were Never Really Here, which figures in the pantheon of the burgeoning drama...
00:05:45.760 Genre.
00:05:46.440 Genre.
00:05:47.960 Okay, we'll put rivalry and genre.
00:05:50.360 English is my first and only language and I can't do it.
00:05:53.520 Um, the burgeoning genre of Joaquin Phoenix is a mildly extreme weight with a certain amount of facial hair as a disaffected loner who kills people because society is corrupt and he lives with his mom.
00:06:08.940 And also directors are just like, oh my god, show us what you can do!
00:06:13.640 This is a review within a review, but the movie You Were Never Really Here, which is the movie Taken as directed by an incredibly indulgent, self-involved French auteur.
00:06:22.580 I don't know if that's literally true, but as I just said, conjure-to-mind style of the movie.
00:06:28.660 That movie and Joker are in that genre and You Were Never Really Here.
00:06:34.260 He's an overweight, bearded loser who's disaffected, lives with his mother, and kills people because society is corrupt.
00:06:41.900 Correct.
00:06:42.120 With long, indulgent shots on him being Joaquin Phoenix in emotional pain.
00:06:46.220 Yes.
00:06:46.600 And then in Joker, he's an underweight, clean-shaven, disaffected loser who lives with his mom and kills people because society is corrupt and there are long, indulgent shots of him being in pain.
00:07:00.140 Yes.
00:07:00.820 Yes.
00:07:01.080 But so, outside of that, because that has nothing to do with Ford vs. Sparrow.
00:07:05.120 Well, it does.
00:07:05.780 It's part of the genre of actor needs to be a certain weight with a certain look, otherwise is he really acting?
00:07:10.900 Yes.
00:07:11.340 Sure.
00:07:11.960 So, Christian Bale for this movie.
00:07:13.460 He is great as the intense Englishman Ken Miles and very compelling.
00:07:17.480 And he brings across that competitive character who needs to be the top of his field, or otherwise he's just kind of not fulfilling his role on Earth.
00:07:27.280 And what was nice about this movie is that you see that character here with a loving and understanding wife and a loving and understanding son, and it slots in the highly ambitious, highly competitive, driven-to-perform character alongside normalcy of a wife and a son whom he loves and lives his life for the sake of, and they're also on board with the racing.
00:07:50.080 So, we avoid that scene.
00:07:52.500 Well, okay.
00:07:53.420 I said that, but yes.
00:07:54.440 You're the one who characterized, because we both agreed.
00:07:56.380 Yes, we did agree.
00:07:57.280 But yes, it's the thing for me that I thought was really kind of interesting in its avoidance of it was that they didn't...
00:08:05.960 The absence thereof.
00:08:07.100 Yeah, exactly.
00:08:07.800 They didn't take the prerequisite, I can't handle my husband doing a job that's so dangerous even though I married him and I knew that was what he was going to do for his life.
00:08:18.480 I was happy that we didn't have to go through that.
00:08:21.700 His wife was just, okay, this is what he does, and I love it, and he loves it, and that's what's going to happen now.
00:08:27.280 I mean, it was mild conflict at one point, but that was...
00:08:30.280 Not about that.
00:08:31.020 It was specific to the marriage rather than the annoying genre concern.
00:08:35.960 Because movies are at their worst when the dialogue is just kind of there because you have to have dialogue to move you from A to B efficiently when we all know it's going to happen.
00:08:46.960 Stock dialogue, stock characters, stock things are insufferable.
00:08:50.720 They're boring.
00:08:51.440 You're not alive while you're watching it.
00:08:52.860 But also, it's insulting in a historical drama movie because then you're taking away the humanity of actual people.
00:09:00.480 You had Ken Miles, real person, real racer, Hall of Fame kind of guy, rendered into a dead, stock script kind of character.
00:09:09.200 Right.
00:09:09.380 What a disrespect to a human being to make him basically a cardboard cutout with a face.
00:09:13.580 I agree.
00:09:14.020 Ugh.
00:09:14.680 So you avoided it.
00:09:15.940 I thought that was really actually interesting because, you know, of course, we as viewers are worried about Ken and any driver who can get into a crash and die and burn.
00:09:28.040 And they do in this movie?
00:09:30.880 Yeah.
00:09:31.120 Yeah, we're going to touch on that later, but that was a bit weird.
00:09:34.280 The level of awareness and dwelling upon of the danger in the racing.
00:09:40.140 Yes, they didn't talk about it as if it was an actual concern.
00:09:43.480 But let's go in order here.
00:09:45.680 So let's talk about, why don't we...
00:09:47.460 Well, we had our Christian Bale talk.
00:09:48.900 Yep.
00:09:49.120 Now we have the Matt Damon talk.
00:09:50.280 Yeah, I was going to say, why don't we go back to Matt Damon?
00:09:52.220 He was fine.
00:09:53.340 I mean, look, Matt Damon as an actor is one of those guys who is just extremely likable on screen.
00:10:01.420 You watch him and you're like, that seems like a cool guy.
00:10:03.880 And I'm sure that Matt Damon himself is likable.
00:10:08.800 I'm not saying I agree with him.
00:10:10.060 We know nothing about Matt Damon.
00:10:12.200 We know some things about his politics and his reaction to other people.
00:10:15.120 But we actually don't know anything about him.
00:10:16.740 Yeah, but I'm saying it might be...
00:10:18.880 We don't really know anything about the person.
00:10:20.540 Yes.
00:10:21.160 But there are some actors who it's like, oh, you watch them and it's that actor in a part.
00:10:26.340 It's Matt Damon playing Carroll Shelby.
00:10:28.140 Oh, the George Clooney approach of being George Clooney in every movie.
00:10:31.120 I don't know if that's Matt Damon.
00:10:33.040 It could be.
00:10:33.940 But he on screen is just, I find, pretty much always likable.
00:10:38.960 And that is definitely true in this movie.
00:10:40.840 You like him from the start, from the get-go.
00:10:42.760 He's a cool guy.
00:10:44.060 And you kind of want to see his relationships with other people because he's just a friendly...
00:10:48.300 Christian Bale, dude, as Ken Miles, was volatile, stubborn, self-aware about it, but couldn't help himself with how just intense and passionate and angry he was.
00:10:59.880 And so he felt like a distinct character.
00:11:03.700 Whereas the Matt Damon performance as Carroll Shelby felt like he could have just been charming, affable, professionally driven man rather than whoever Carroll Shelby actually was.
00:11:15.900 Although I will say...
00:11:16.720 It may have been Carroll Shelby or it may have just been kind of stock straight man character for Matt Damon to play.
00:11:23.840 I don't know enough about Carroll Shelby's actual personality.
00:11:26.300 Me neither.
00:11:26.540 But unlike Christian Bale's Ken Miles, it just didn't come across as like, oh, this is a particular person.
00:11:33.440 It just kind of, it could have come across as just, this is Matt Damon playing God.
00:11:36.440 Right, right.
00:11:37.580 The one thing I will say is that Ken Miles is a much showier part generally.
00:11:43.200 And Carroll Shelby, I don't think, is a showy part.
00:11:45.920 I don't think any person playing that part, you would have been like, oh, that's the scene stealer.
00:11:52.400 Yeah.
00:11:52.780 I think that Ken Miles...
00:11:53.740 The role he's performing in the script.
00:11:54.940 Yeah, exactly.
00:11:55.760 And that, I think, brings us to the next point, which is the script.
00:12:00.460 And I think that's what we found lacking.
00:12:04.940 Not the writing in the scenes between characters.
00:12:07.780 Well, so...
00:12:09.220 I thought that was good.
00:12:10.120 Dialogue?
00:12:10.860 Yeah.
00:12:11.780 Dialogue was fine and it was well acted.
00:12:14.940 You were watching human beings throughout the movie.
00:12:17.880 Again, as opposed to just puppets or Muppets or whatever you want to call them, just the inert dolls
00:12:24.640 that they basically put a bump against each other like a kid in a bathtub for dialogue
00:12:28.980 that they do in some movies, so many movies that are bad.
00:12:31.560 Here, everyone was acting and everyone had good dialogue, so that came across and you felt
00:12:36.560 like you were in the world of it.
00:12:37.740 Again, almost three hour movie that you were not aware of the time length of.
00:12:43.660 The only time...
00:12:44.660 Except for a few scenes.
00:12:45.080 Yeah, I want to say...
00:12:46.100 Circle.
00:12:46.720 Sorry, we're going to flank it later.
00:12:48.120 Come on.
00:12:48.500 Okay, fine, fine, fine.
00:12:49.540 We've got to go in order.
00:12:50.300 We've got to keep something focused.
00:12:51.020 What the errors in the movie consisted of with regard to the writing...
00:12:56.180 Can they not see it?
00:12:57.280 You can't see the hand, but also the mic is on the table, so that'll screw things up.
00:13:02.540 So, what the errors in the movie consisted of was the way in which the drama and conflict
00:13:11.620 with regard to the Ford race team consisting of Ken Miles and Carroll Shelby, that conflict
00:13:18.700 there felt so arbitrary, so stupid, so stock movie, sports movie conflict.
00:13:27.440 It's the creatives against the business corporations.
00:13:30.940 Yeah.
00:13:31.280 Blah, blah, blah.
00:13:32.900 I mean, that was...
00:13:33.840 So stupid.
00:13:34.460 It was fabricated.
00:13:35.420 It was made up for the movie.
00:13:37.680 I mean, if you want conflict between the corporate team and then our creative types where the
00:13:44.560 corporates just don't get it, you know what you do?
00:13:47.160 You portray the corporates not getting it and why.
00:13:50.720 Yeah.
00:13:50.860 If it's a matter of, oh, we can't take a risk here, well, why do they think that?
00:13:55.180 Is the guy who made his career all the way up into senior vice president of a major company
00:14:00.480 like Ford just that stupid?
00:14:02.540 If he is, show it and show the culture of Ford where that's a problem and then actually
00:14:06.380 show it's endemic to the corporate, then I have some sympathy for the conflict and kind
00:14:09.840 of how annoying it is to be the race team.
00:14:12.000 Whereas if that guy had any inkling of a point, show me why it would have made sense to him,
00:14:17.320 even though it wouldn't have made sense for this situation for these characters.
00:14:21.440 Make him not just a jerk who's there to be a jerk.
00:14:25.360 Just to be kind of the conflict.
00:14:27.460 I felt like, here's what I felt like, and I'm kind of assimilating this information as
00:14:32.960 we're talking, is that I feel like all of the script writing was actually really good
00:14:39.260 between the character, the creative characters and husband and wife, and that was great.
00:14:46.180 I think the issue was that because they were fabricating the conflict, then everything
00:14:52.240 that happened on that side was the issue.
00:14:55.300 Stiff and dead.
00:14:56.280 In a way, they didn't need it.
00:14:58.920 The conflict was between man and accomplishment.
00:15:03.260 Yes.
00:15:03.660 It was between them accomplishing what they needed to do to prove themselves.
00:15:08.300 Not, I need to fight the corporate guy who's telling me that Ken Miles can't fight and
00:15:13.040 play and drive and do his own thing.
00:15:15.360 It was just arbitrary and it did not add.
00:15:19.140 It was like to prove a point or something.
00:15:21.800 But the best movies, the best sports movies, I think, are the ones like Miracle.
00:15:27.760 I know you haven't seen that, but the ones where there's a team that just needs to prove
00:15:32.800 how good they are.
00:15:34.220 And the conflict is built into them playing their best and doing their best.
00:15:40.300 If you've done your job well in a movie like that, there is inherent drama.
00:15:45.780 There are inherent stakes from the scale of task before our heroes so that we get it as
00:15:52.920 audience.
00:15:53.500 We just understand inherently how hard this is and how much they want it.
00:15:57.820 And you just let it develop from there.
00:16:00.340 And you let the difficulty of the task present itself so that when you think you have it pinned
00:16:05.140 down, oh, look, a wrinkle in the fabric of the situation reveals itself because of course
00:16:10.220 it would because it's hard.
00:16:11.780 Yes.
00:16:12.000 And then they respond to it.
00:16:13.640 Boom.
00:16:14.460 Conflict.
00:16:14.940 Oh, midpoint turn or whatever it is that's like the stock pacing of the script.
00:16:19.080 It's fine.
00:16:19.620 You don't need it to be that, oh, we're so confident we're going to accomplish the objective
00:16:24.560 of winning the race.
00:16:25.720 Oh, but corporate threw a wrinkle in here.
00:16:28.320 Why?
00:16:28.880 Right.
00:16:29.100 So this was actually feasible to achieve and it's just Ford getting in its own way?
00:16:32.640 Maybe I don't want Ford to win now.
00:16:34.200 Right.
00:16:34.440 Because apparently they don't care about winning.
00:16:36.180 Like, what is the problem here?
00:16:37.240 And then also, to me, there were a couple of things.
00:16:39.160 So here are some other wrinkles in the script, I think.
00:16:42.360 Is it okay if we move on to that?
00:16:43.800 Can I start with my worst one?
00:16:46.480 Sure.
00:16:47.080 I know I'm talking to you.
00:16:48.120 No, no, you're not.
00:16:48.840 I'll ratchet it back.
00:16:49.920 You won't.
00:16:50.340 Go ahead.
00:16:50.480 Life who I talk over.
00:16:52.580 So, situation we have, right?
00:16:55.540 We're in the 60s, Ford versus Ferrari, the Le Mans big...
00:17:00.580 Nothing, you're good.
00:17:01.740 Okay, push my foot.
00:17:04.040 The Le Mans 24-hour race that they're trying to do.
00:17:06.580 You're literally racing for 24 hours to see who's the most racer there is.
00:17:11.100 The car has to hold up.
00:17:12.160 The driving team has to hold up.
00:17:13.560 Everything has to be amazing.
00:17:14.840 It's an unbelievable endurance thing.
00:17:16.960 The idea of that as a spectator sport fuddles me.
00:17:20.160 Yeah.
00:17:20.620 Hey, listen.
00:17:21.680 Historically, it revealed itself to be capable of being a spectator sport.
00:17:24.880 Good for them.
00:17:25.900 I wouldn't have thought of it.
00:17:27.320 Fantastic.
00:17:27.560 What's annoying is that the central conflict that starts the movie, the very idea of this
00:17:32.980 Ford rivalry with Ferrari, comes from Ford trying to boost some sales.
00:17:38.340 Sales, not stales.
00:17:39.840 Sales.
00:17:40.620 And Wea Iacocca, future leader, he recommends that they try and compete with Ferrari by being
00:17:47.280 race car, sexy image maker.
00:17:50.920 And Ferrari does it.
00:17:51.860 They kind of ignore the fact that they also bring up the Ferrari's sales we're flagging.
00:17:56.260 So if the whole idea is Ford's sales are flagging, so we're trying to improve our sales, so
00:18:01.040 we're going to do what Ferrari does because they're a sexy race car, but then Ferrari as
00:18:05.820 that also has bad sales.
00:18:07.420 That moment got mad.
00:18:08.320 I know that bothered you.
00:18:09.600 But okay.
00:18:10.040 They try and buy Ferrari for Ford, and it turned out that Ferrari, the man himself, was actually
00:18:16.340 just using them to make Fiat give them a better offer to buy them out.
00:18:19.580 Okay, so they're jealous.
00:18:21.240 And then also Ferrari personally insults Henry Ford II, grandson of the Henry Ford.
00:18:26.740 The grandson's now in charge of Ford the corporation.
00:18:29.300 Insults him and tells him you're never going to be Henry Ford.
00:18:31.700 You're just Henry Ford II.
00:18:33.060 You're just a piddling, nothing, nepotistic baby.
00:18:37.940 Okay, so there's conflict.
00:18:39.360 He wants to beat Ferrari at their own game and whoop him in racing.
00:18:42.260 There are three moments in the movie where Henry Ford II is like, I'm going to go to
00:18:47.920 war.
00:18:48.680 I'm going to smash my Capone in The Untouchables.
00:18:51.420 His family's dead.
00:18:52.540 This guy's dead.
00:18:53.180 Like that.
00:18:53.940 But then immediately does a stupid decision that's bureaucratic and corporate, and it's
00:18:58.720 more about just dumb marketing ideas rather than actually trying to win.
00:19:02.040 So how am I supposed to view this man who's driving the plot by his decisions?
00:19:05.760 Is he on our hero's side in terms of like inspiring, wants to whoop the Italians at the racing, or
00:19:13.440 is he an obstacle to be overcome because he's just a corporate boob?
00:19:17.440 Yeah.
00:19:17.760 And they didn't show a balance between he wants to do it, but then kind of his inherent corporate
00:19:24.380 nature, whatever pulls it.
00:19:25.540 It's anything, anything, anything that had to be corporate in this movie.
00:19:29.840 They were just like, well, I feel like in corporations, this is what would happen.
00:19:33.800 Like people would be mean, and then they would be stupid.
00:19:37.180 Because as we all know, the studios that produce movies like this are completely free form creative
00:19:43.600 types.
00:19:43.860 Right.
00:19:44.140 Of course.
00:19:44.520 That just have no structure, and there's no big money on the line that makes everyone
00:19:48.620 actually have to follow a procedure.
00:19:49.820 Make no sense.
00:19:50.100 Yeah.
00:19:50.320 As we all know, film studios are not big corporations, and they have no bureaucratic structure or anything
00:19:55.860 like that.
00:19:56.640 And so we can just treat every corporation as idiotic and stodgy and uncreative, which is why
00:20:00.940 they all survive, which is why they've created all the products that we use, and it's why
00:20:04.580 there's innovation happening all the time.
00:20:06.320 It's because this is an accurate project.
00:20:08.800 It was so grating.
00:20:10.020 Yeah.
00:20:10.220 No, it was really annoying.
00:20:11.100 Because it's supposed to be a dramatic, I'm rolling out my sleeves, it's supposed to be
00:20:14.700 a dramatic swell that we're on board with, and now the team's going to buckle down and
00:20:18.880 get dangerous and get serious.
00:20:20.040 Right.
00:20:20.060 It was very cool.
00:20:20.600 And then something done happens, and Josh Lucas is involved.
00:20:23.360 Yeah.
00:20:23.520 And then it was stupid, like Henry Ford's just like, oh yeah, I handed over the reins
00:20:27.660 after literally saying I'm in charge.
00:20:30.560 It made zero sense with the characters, with the writing.
00:20:34.360 It didn't make any sense.
00:20:35.160 Okay.
00:20:35.420 So that's wrinkle numero uno.
00:20:37.660 Wrinkle number two.
00:20:38.360 Wrinkle number two is for me.
00:20:40.360 Yeah.
00:20:40.580 There were actually two and three I want to hit.
00:20:42.680 Nope.
00:20:43.140 One is that...
00:20:43.600 I'll just sit here silent.
00:20:44.460 One is that the Ford, there were other Ford teams that were just totally unaddressed, that
00:20:54.020 there were like two other cars that were in second and third place at Le Mans.
00:21:00.060 And I was thinking to myself, are they also created by Shelby?
00:21:03.620 Who are those drivers?
00:21:04.900 No one knows.
00:21:05.220 What's going on?
00:21:06.240 No one knows.
00:21:06.680 Why are we taking so much stock in Carroll Shelby and Ken Miles if there are two other cars that
00:21:12.120 are as fast or just about as fast as Carroll Shelby's car?
00:21:15.980 Because that's the plot.
00:21:16.940 I was just like, I get it and I understand you have to like cut things for time and you're
00:21:22.240 creating a narrative here.
00:21:23.540 But if they could have just devoted one second to being, to explaining why there were other
00:21:29.480 Fords in the race so that I wasn't sitting there like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:21:34.460 This isn't, the movie's called Ford versus Ferrari.
00:21:37.480 I was just thinking.
00:21:38.440 Not Shelby versus Ferrari.
00:21:40.120 Name it something else.
00:21:41.020 Name it Le Mans.
00:21:42.120 Or something like that.
00:21:43.140 Yeah, there's a movie called Le Mans.
00:21:44.580 Name it Le Mans again.
00:21:45.980 How many movies have been rebooted or like on the same topic?
00:21:48.560 Yeah.
00:21:48.880 But just, if it's all about Ford, then why is Ford almost as much the enemy here as Ferrari
00:21:55.380 is?
00:21:55.780 Yeah, it was so odd.
00:21:56.860 There's no loyalty to Ford.
00:21:57.980 Which is fine.
00:22:00.000 But don't make that the movie.
00:22:02.060 Make it its own movie about the Shelby team kind of brought in by Ford, but using Ford to
00:22:09.180 achieve their own accomplishment that Ford's kind of the piggy bank for, but also inherent
00:22:16.200 because it can't help itself, obstacle to.
00:22:18.560 Right.
00:22:18.820 And that's fine because that's kind of what this movie was, but then they emphasize the
00:22:22.600 Ford pride or going to war thing so much that then it just made everyone involved with
00:22:27.480 that seemed like a jackass.
00:22:29.160 Yeah.
00:22:29.420 It was so stupid.
00:22:30.660 So this needs to be explained.
00:22:31.940 Wait, wait, wait.
00:22:32.580 The Josh Lucas element has to be explained.
00:22:35.540 Okay, fine.
00:22:36.060 Go.
00:22:36.260 Okay.
00:22:36.560 We keep referring to Josh Lucas, also the senior VP.
00:22:40.660 So Josh Lucas, this actor who, he was in The Incredible Hulk directed by Ang Lee.
00:22:45.340 He was the snide, snarling, awful guy.
00:22:48.420 He does that like almost every role he does.
00:22:50.160 Or he plays a love interest in a rom-com, which that's the stuff I know him for.
00:22:54.380 No James Marsden.
00:22:56.460 He's just got one of those faces.
00:22:57.820 He's made to be like a modern, grown-up version of like a 1980s blonde high school bully.
00:23:02.460 I see it.
00:23:02.980 Right?
00:23:03.300 Yeah.
00:23:03.440 So he's in it as the senior VP of Ford, and he's the one who's skeptical of the project,
00:23:09.440 and he's the one who thinks in corporate boxes.
00:23:12.680 So he comes up with a dumb marketing stunt all the time.
00:23:15.480 So, for example, at the end of the movie, come out.
00:23:18.100 It's Christian Bale.
00:23:20.180 This whole thing is a spoiler.
00:23:21.220 It's not really what the movie's about, right?
00:23:22.880 Yeah.
00:23:23.540 So at the end of the movie, spoiler, Christian Bale is about to win the race, and he gets
00:23:29.420 into form that this senior VP has thought of the wonderful plan of having Ford, driven
00:23:35.180 by him, and then Ford in second place, and then Ford in third place, all drive wheel to
00:23:40.500 wheel over the finish line together for the sake of a photograph, because it'll look good
00:23:44.660 for their marketing, rather than letting Christian Bale and his team achieve their accomplishment
00:23:48.200 of just winning the race by more than a country mile.
00:23:52.000 Yeah, because Ken Miles was an amazing racer.
00:23:54.760 He was like...
00:23:55.300 And the car they built was fantastic.
00:23:56.400 Yes.
00:23:56.840 And they achieved a wonderful thing.
00:23:58.200 Okay.
00:23:58.800 So somehow he achieves his plan, but he tells it to Henry Ford, who, again, was supposed to
00:24:03.320 have the fire back in his gut that we want to win, and he agrees to it.
00:24:07.100 And then when they complain to him, he's like, oh, well, I named him the senior VP.
00:24:10.940 I can't do anything about that.
00:24:12.280 But you just threatened to fire everyone, Henry Ford.
00:24:14.420 You just asserted how you're in charge of everyone on this project, and everything happens
00:24:18.800 by your say-so, and people only report to you.
00:24:22.220 So you can fire him.
00:24:23.620 Yeah, but I appointed him, and he's in charge, and it's his decision.
00:24:27.620 Okay.
00:24:28.140 What?
00:24:28.340 Wait, wait, wait.
00:24:28.740 We were talking about...
00:24:30.000 Sorry, that had to be explained.
00:24:31.320 This one character, his role is so annoying.
00:24:33.120 So basically, his whole role is to constantly come in and say, I don't like Ken Miles, because
00:24:38.460 Ken Miles said something stupid to me one time, and now I don't ever want him to race,
00:24:44.140 which is false, as far as I understand, that didn't happen.
00:24:49.160 And also, it was just a stupid ploy to create more drama that the movie didn't need.
00:24:53.620 And interfered with the drama of the movie.
00:24:55.040 Did not need.
00:24:56.400 So another thing in the script that I didn't think was necessary, and were the only parts
00:25:02.840 in the movie that felt slow, were the parts with Christian Bale and his son.
00:25:07.100 So his son...
00:25:08.280 I like the interplay in most movies between a father and his child.
00:25:13.520 That's...
00:25:13.780 I like the idea of having that in a movie.
00:25:15.760 Whether or not Hollywood can pull off normal family interaction is another thing.
00:25:20.800 Right.
00:25:20.980 It's almost as if so many of these scripts are written by people who don't have kids,
00:25:23.900 or an idea of family.
00:25:24.920 But the thing for me in this movie was I felt that what they were doing in those scenes
00:25:30.800 was it was almost a chance for the writers to just speak directly to the audience about
00:25:35.240 the things that they wanted to say in a kind of annoying, we love driving, we understand
00:25:43.400 the sport way, just by having Christian Bale talk through his son.
00:25:47.160 It was incredibly didactic and kind of condescendingly expositive.
00:25:51.420 And just a little slow and not really useful.
00:25:53.680 And so that was one of the things I didn't...
00:25:56.300 I didn't find that the...
00:25:57.900 You know what it is?
00:25:58.720 I didn't find that the chemistry between the son and Christian Bale was great.
00:26:03.020 The son was played in a way too mature.
00:26:06.660 Yeah.
00:26:07.280 Yeah.
00:26:07.660 Because if you're...
00:26:08.360 He was played too much like Film Kid.
00:26:09.900 Rather than like...
00:26:10.780 And I like that the son like adored his father, wanted to be very involved in learning about
00:26:17.180 the racing and watching the racing was like hanging on every radio report of the Le Mans
00:26:22.840 race.
00:26:23.600 That's fine.
00:26:24.720 Have that in your movie.
00:26:26.340 But just the way he participated in conversation was just...
00:26:30.740 I don't know.
00:26:31.700 I felt a little baloney.
00:26:33.440 I agree.
00:26:33.800 I felt a little fake.
00:26:35.000 And it kind of got on my nerves.
00:26:36.240 And it occurred too many times.
00:26:38.480 And...
00:26:38.880 Yeah.
00:26:39.500 But what I'll say is that for all...
00:26:41.880 And this is...
00:26:42.460 I think we're wrapping it up now.
00:26:44.360 For me, the whole movie, despite all of these negatives, which were frustrating and you
00:26:51.760 could kind of feel them throughout...
00:26:53.700 We enjoyed this movie.
00:26:55.500 I had a great time watching this movie.
00:26:57.600 Like I would recommend it to you.
00:26:59.340 I would say make a night of it.
00:27:01.120 Go see it.
00:27:01.720 It's not going to feel like three hours.
00:27:03.360 We saw it at 7.
00:27:04.380 We saw it at 7 p.m.
00:27:05.720 And we got home by 10.
00:27:06.860 Which was also lovely.
00:27:07.920 Because most of the time we see movies a little bit later.
00:27:09.760 We get home a little bit later.
00:27:11.100 So I...
00:27:11.940 I just felt good.
00:27:14.140 And I also felt like the relationship between...
00:27:17.780 Honestly, it was the relationship between Christian Bale and Matt Damon on screen.
00:27:21.000 That made the whole movie work.
00:27:22.720 And made it a fun watch.
00:27:25.080 And also, another thing I learned is that there was no CGI in this movie.
00:27:28.780 All of the racing...
00:27:29.920 I know.
00:27:30.440 You didn't believe it.
00:27:31.360 No, there was CGI in this movie.
00:27:33.180 But all of the racing...
00:27:34.540 The crashes were CGI.
00:27:35.400 Well, all of the racing and the cars were real.
00:27:38.240 No.
00:27:38.620 All the cars were real?
00:27:39.360 No, they weren't.
00:27:40.080 Did you look it up?
00:27:40.280 They looked like Tonka toys.
00:27:42.040 I looked it up and it was real.
00:27:43.760 It was Hot Wheels.
00:27:44.660 It was digital Hot Wheels.
00:27:46.880 There was CGI in this movie.
00:27:49.000 I don't know.
00:27:49.380 And it looked bad.
00:27:50.200 Everything I...
00:27:50.960 It distracted me.
00:27:52.040 I disagree.
00:27:54.120 Was it a deep fake?
00:27:55.540 Am I being deep faked by this movie?
00:27:57.300 I don't think so.
00:27:58.160 And the only last thing I'll say...
00:28:02.000 Last thing.
00:28:02.780 Yes.
00:28:03.120 Thank you.
00:28:03.840 The last thing I'll say is that the...
00:28:06.920 Forgive the movie for the last 10 minutes.
00:28:09.660 Because the last 10 minutes were...
00:28:12.280 I felt not a good choice.
00:28:15.340 I think that they really...
00:28:16.720 Pacing.
00:28:17.320 They really could have done better on that.
00:28:19.940 And there was something in the movie.
00:28:23.020 I mean, I don't really want to bring it up.
00:28:25.400 Because I don't think it's...
00:28:26.480 It's kind of a long thing to talk about.
00:28:28.980 Which was the scene in the car where he...
00:28:31.080 It's 220 miles per hour.
00:28:32.720 There was a scene in the car where it felt like it should have happened later.
00:28:39.480 I want to just discuss that.
00:28:42.420 Briefly.
00:28:42.920 You do?
00:28:43.260 Okay.
00:28:43.380 Yeah, yeah.
00:28:44.200 So, okay.
00:28:45.660 The opening...
00:28:46.780 One of the opening monologues in the movie.
00:28:48.780 Or rather, the monologue in the opening.
00:28:50.780 Because there's not more than one.
00:28:52.480 Is Matt Damon saying something that feels tacked on and out of pace with the tone of the movie.
00:28:58.400 Of 7,000 RPM is when you just forget the car and you feel like a body moving through space.
00:29:07.800 Okay.
00:29:08.520 It sounds a little hippie-ish.
00:29:09.840 But I get it.
00:29:10.420 You're in the zone.
00:29:11.200 You feel it.
00:29:12.100 Just say a speed.
00:29:13.980 Because if a tire is a certain diameter and it's rotating a certain amount of time.
00:29:17.700 So it's not just spinning in snow.
00:29:18.940 Hypothetically moving at a certain speed.
00:29:21.280 Whatever.
00:29:22.080 RPM.
00:29:22.660 They focus on the RPM a lot in the movie.
00:29:24.260 Maybe I don't know racing and that's why.
00:29:26.200 But it seemed a little silly.
00:29:27.900 But they see that at the beginning of the movie.
00:29:31.220 And then all the way at the end when Christian Bale, Ken Miles, is at Le Mans.
00:29:35.960 And he's ahead of everyone else.
00:29:37.080 And he's spoken about this idea of the perfect lap.
00:29:38.900 Where you make every right decision about how hard to push the car.
00:29:41.660 And what to speed up and what to slow down.
00:29:42.840 How to maneuver and negotiate the check.
00:29:45.300 He kind of feels it.
00:29:47.120 And he kind of just realizes how far ahead he is now.
00:29:48.980 He's achieved his goal.
00:29:50.300 I realize this retroactively.
00:29:51.600 That's what he's feeling.
00:29:52.280 Because in the moment he kind of zones out.
00:29:54.840 Sees how fast the car is going.
00:29:56.360 You see that thing where they pull out with the camera like that.
00:29:59.640 And you see the road extending up before him.
00:30:01.680 And you think, oh, he's going to crash and burn to death.
00:30:05.520 Right.
00:30:05.740 So they've set up throughout the movie.
00:30:07.500 At some point somebody is going to crash and die.
00:30:10.620 They set that up throughout the movie.
00:30:12.940 And you're just kind of waiting for it.
00:30:14.400 You know there's going to be a moment where he's going to die or almost die.
00:30:18.260 Yes.
00:30:18.680 So this moment in the movie that we're talking about.
00:30:22.820 Has every trace of death.
00:30:24.100 It was very drawn out.
00:30:26.720 And it was after the fact that Jacob said, oh, it was because he had realized he hit his
00:30:32.140 penultimate, his final goal.
00:30:34.600 His final goal.
00:30:35.520 He reached the pinnacle of achievement.
00:30:37.140 And there had been the conflict about, oh, he'd been given the choice by Matt Damon.
00:30:41.080 Is he going to drive with those two other cars across the finish line as a unit?
00:30:44.420 Or is he going to achieve the victory personally and create kind of corporate problems for their team?
00:30:49.340 So he realizes he hits that RPM.
00:30:51.120 He's in the zone.
00:30:51.800 He realizes how hard he just won everything.
00:30:55.420 And he kind of, it calms him.
00:30:57.900 And he slows down.
00:30:59.360 He lets the other cars come up next to him.
00:31:01.320 And they all go in together.
00:31:02.280 So that they can all go in together.
00:31:02.900 That's what the scene was for.
00:31:04.800 That's not what it felt like it was for in the moment.
00:31:06.680 It felt like, to me, I thought to myself, okay, it zooms in on the speedometer going 220 miles per hour.
00:31:15.140 Whatever the RPMometer is.
00:31:16.960 No, it's almost 220 miles per hour.
00:31:18.680 Is that speedometer?
00:31:20.400 Yeah, it's the speed.
00:31:22.800 RPMs is not speed.
00:31:23.740 7,000 RPM is not what I'm talking about.
00:31:25.760 That's not speed.
00:31:25.800 Your speed's one.
00:31:26.840 I said 220 miles per hour.
00:31:28.980 Whatever.
00:31:29.440 Go ahead.
00:31:29.640 And the, as he's driving, it zooms in on the speedometer showing it, and it shows that there's no movement.
00:31:39.200 So I thought, oh, the brakes have gone out.
00:31:42.900 Because they mentioned when he takes over the car in the last part of the race, brakes are shot.
00:31:47.900 Yes.
00:31:48.360 And previously, his brakes had smoked out.
00:31:50.860 They've gone bright red or bright orange.
00:31:53.160 Like, just car failure.
00:31:54.360 Everyone's crashing in this race, which we wanted to circle around to this.
00:31:58.320 They do not clearly establish how lethal this racing is.
00:32:01.780 We see crash and crash and crash.
00:32:04.040 We see people.
00:32:04.800 One guy hits the side of the road, spins out.
00:32:07.080 So his side of the car is facing the oncoming cars.
00:32:12.080 And so he's like, I think it's smashed.
00:32:14.760 Yeah.
00:32:15.120 That was way too loud.
00:32:16.540 It was in the theater.
00:32:17.440 The theater was actually too loud.
00:32:19.580 He gets hit at 200 miles per hour by another guy.
00:32:22.820 They don't tell us this man has been made into fine paste.
00:32:26.040 Like, please establish the lethality of this.
00:32:28.840 It was distracting.
00:32:30.300 It was upsetting.
00:32:31.440 Sorry.
00:32:32.080 Now we're back to this scene, the lethality of Christian Bale behind the wheel.
00:32:35.640 So it felt like he realized.
00:32:37.840 My hands are still ready.
00:32:38.900 Yeah, I know.
00:32:39.560 That was so loud.
00:32:40.340 He realized that he kind of takes his hands off the wheel for a second.
00:32:45.400 And I thought it meant he had realized he'd made the choice to live this life.
00:32:50.260 He accepted that this was how he was going to go.
00:32:53.200 And he was going doing what he loved.
00:32:54.700 Okay.
00:32:54.920 Yeah.
00:32:55.500 Christian Bale's character.
00:32:56.600 I can accept all that.
00:32:57.320 And everyone who rides a motorcycle.
00:32:58.880 Same kind of bargain you struck of, I will die based on this.
00:33:03.320 But the ride was worth it.
00:33:05.800 But he, except, you know, he, and so I was like, okay, sure.
00:33:09.880 Nope.
00:33:10.500 That wasn't it.
00:33:11.220 He just wins.
00:33:11.940 It's just in the zone, man.
00:33:13.660 But then the end of the movie, spoilers, he actually does die because the brakes go out.
00:33:20.820 And it's, or it's something like that.
00:33:22.980 Or something to do with the car spinning out at 150 and flipping.
00:33:26.120 I looked it up.
00:33:26.780 Yeah.
00:33:27.400 And it's just, it's half that dramatic.
00:33:32.340 Like, not even half.
00:33:33.340 It's a third that dramatic.
00:33:34.560 It's so understated.
00:33:35.640 And I was thinking to myself, why?
00:33:37.540 Why didn't you wait and use that shot, that moment, when he's about to die?
00:33:44.780 Because it would have made more sense.
00:33:46.560 But.
00:33:46.820 It would have been dramatic.
00:33:47.780 It would have gotten across the poignancy of his devotion to his craft.
00:33:51.300 His, also his family's kind of buy-in on it and the drama of it all.
00:33:55.080 It would have been great.
00:33:56.080 And instead, it was just misplaced and very tonally confusing and misleading.
00:34:02.060 Again.
00:34:02.300 So we spent so, almost the entirety of this review, except for the first few minutes, talking
00:34:09.140 about things that bothered us about this movie.
00:34:11.020 Yeah.
00:34:11.400 And that reflects our conversation about the movie just personally after we left the theater.
00:34:15.040 We liked this movie.
00:34:16.280 We liked this movie.
00:34:17.100 We enjoyed watching this movie.
00:34:19.920 This almost three-hour movie.
00:34:21.520 We had a good time.
00:34:22.620 Christian Bale charismatic.
00:34:23.820 Matt Damon charismatic.
00:34:24.160 My favorite scene.
00:34:25.220 I'm going to say one thing.
00:34:26.280 My favorite scene was the scene where Christian Bale and Matt Damon get in a fight.
00:34:30.120 That was hilarious.
00:34:31.800 And it really reflected what guy friends are like, in my opinion.
00:34:36.000 Yeah, because you've seen me fist fight so many of our friends.
00:34:38.180 I've seen guys get in fights, though.
00:34:40.380 Not necessarily physical ones, but just get into fights because they're friends.
00:34:45.000 Because we're men.
00:34:46.400 Occupying a similar space.
00:34:47.820 Sort of, yeah.
00:34:48.460 And it's just, I thought that was really funny.
00:34:50.580 So, I thought that this movie was really good.
00:34:53.640 I would give it...
00:34:55.400 I'm not even going to give it a rating.
00:34:57.760 It doesn't deserve a rating from me.
00:34:59.160 I'm too annoyed by the avoidable flaws in it.
00:35:01.980 Well, I would give it...
00:35:02.880 Again, go see the movie.
00:35:04.240 You'll enjoy it.
00:35:05.620 Also, this movie bugged the heck out of me.
00:35:07.980 I would say...
00:35:08.440 Also, I enjoyed it.
00:35:09.360 Three and a half to four stars.
00:35:12.280 No.
00:35:13.080 That's what I would give it.
00:35:13.900 Hey, you're not rating it.
00:35:14.820 So, you can't say anything about my rating.
00:35:16.200 I'm not rating it, but you should rate it three out of five.
00:35:20.800 No.
00:35:21.240 I like to do enough to give it three and a half.
00:35:22.800 No, you should rate it three out of five.
00:35:24.200 I'm not rating it, but you should rate it three out of five.
00:35:26.720 So, my opinion on this movie is go see it, and these are our issues with it.
00:35:34.880 Just, you know, if we're remaking everything, just remake this in 15 years.
00:35:39.980 Digitally de-age Christian Bale and Matt Damon back to how they were for this exact movie.
00:35:43.780 Or just re-edit it.
00:35:45.140 Re-edit.
00:35:45.640 Yes.
00:35:46.200 That's not it.
00:35:46.560 Just re-edit it.
00:35:47.620 If you just re-edited it...
00:35:48.720 Yours costs less money, so they're not going to do it.
00:35:50.780 But if we let them remake it, they might put Marvel characters in.
00:35:59.420 And that's our review for today.
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