FORD V. FERRARI MOVIE REVIEW ｜｜ Husband VS. Wife Movie Review
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In this episode of Stop Drinking, we review the movie "Ferrari vs. Ford" directed by James Mangold and starring Leonardo DiCaprio. We discuss the flaws in the movie, why we didn't like it, and why we don't recommend it.
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Hello beautiful ladies and gents and welcome to today's video. Stop drinking!
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Hello beautiful ladies and gents and welcome to today's video where we're going to be doing a husband versus wife movie review on Ford versus Ferrari.
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So we saw this movie for my, no not for my birthday.
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No, we didn't. We saw no movies for your birthday.
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We didn't even though that was like the biggest part of our original plan.
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Yes. We saw this movie and the ultimate determination about it, which we will explain and which we will justify, is we enjoyed it, we would recommend it to people, but I would not want to on principle because it got on my nerves.
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The flaws in it. The way that I describe it is that it's a movie where the writing is, gets in the way of the movie in contrived and grating ways, but the directing, the cinematography, the acting, the editing for the most part, all are so good.
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And so competent that you're so good and so competent that you're still engaged for like almost three hours.
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But so I enjoyed it, but I also was so annoyed by these unnecessary avoidable flaws that I resent the movie for being something I'd recommend.
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See, I went to the movie, loved most of it. I wouldn't say every second because there were parts of it that I didn't think were totally necessary, but I...
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You could say that the movie didn't do a perfect lap.
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Oh God, don't get me started. But yes, there were parts of it that I...
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I think we're here to start. I think that's the very point of this.
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I felt like I watched the movie, enjoyed it, didn't feel like it was almost three hours.
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And when we left the theater, I thought to myself, I'm really happy I went to see that.
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But the last 10 minutes I thought were unnecessary and made me...
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The things that I was questioning already earlier in the viewing made me question even more, those last 10 minutes.
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So why don't we hop in and talk about the story a little bit?
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So the idea of the movie is it's two things at once.
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It's a bromance drama of two men, high performers, who work together.
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They already have their established working relationship.
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So we don't have that annoying take-up period where everything has to be an origin story.
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And so you waste time on contriving the circumstances.
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Now, two men respect each other, work with each other.
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And now they just have a challenge, which is like the biggest thing in their careers, kind
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Then the second part is it's like a sports movie.
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And it's competitive and it's about the rivalry, except that Ferrari, it's supposed to be 4V or Ferrari in the title.
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And it's more about, it's kind of like it's an objective challenge.
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Kind of like those movies where people try to overcome nature in a certain way or just trying to achieve something objectively impressive.
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It would be the same thing as if this were a movie about trying to run the fastest mile you could do.
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Like the other competitors don't really matter.
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I mean, it's like a little bit there, but they play it up.
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Well, they play it up in the sense of, I looked up some things about the historical accuracy of the movie.
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Well, a couple things that stood out to me was that Ferrari was not there, actually, at the race of Lamont.
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The Ferrari was historically inaccurate, but who cares?
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And then the thing that you and I had been curious about...
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But the thing that you and I had been curious about, about whether Beeb was actually...
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We've got to put the audience in context for this.
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Well, I was going to say one thing, which is that the guy who kind of creates most of the conflict of the movie...
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Who plays every character you've ever wanted to smack in an Adam Zeele movie.
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They played up his character's conflict stuff, which was what we had been wondering about.
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So, anyways, going back to what you were talking about.
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And it's slash your objectively impressive achievement movie.
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We might not want these people to be people to give credit to, but you give them credit.
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Christian Bale did lose his prerequisite 40 pounds before playing the part, so we know he's Christian Bale.
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Because otherwise we wouldn't know he was specifically Ken Miles in this movie.
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Well, because you wouldn't know it was specifically Christian Bale if he didn't lose 40 pounds or gain 40 pounds for a role.
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He's the Joaquin Phoenix of creepy Englishmen, Welshmen, rather than creepy Americans.
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Joaquin Phoenix is a discussion for another time because I have a lot of feelings, but continue.
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We never, or rather, we've not yet done a review of You Were Never Really Here, which figures in the pantheon of the burgeoning drama...
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English is my first and only language and I can't do it.
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Um, the burgeoning genre of Joaquin Phoenix is a mildly extreme weight with a certain amount of facial hair as a disaffected loner who kills people because society is corrupt and he lives with his mom.
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And also directors are just like, oh my god, show us what you can do!
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This is a review within a review, but the movie You Were Never Really Here, which is the movie Taken as directed by an incredibly indulgent, self-involved French auteur.
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I don't know if that's literally true, but as I just said, conjure-to-mind style of the movie.
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That movie and Joker are in that genre and You Were Never Really Here.
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He's an overweight, bearded loser who's disaffected, lives with his mother, and kills people because society is corrupt.
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With long, indulgent shots on him being Joaquin Phoenix in emotional pain.
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And then in Joker, he's an underweight, clean-shaven, disaffected loser who lives with his mom and kills people because society is corrupt and there are long, indulgent shots of him being in pain.
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But so, outside of that, because that has nothing to do with Ford vs. Sparrow.
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It's part of the genre of actor needs to be a certain weight with a certain look, otherwise is he really acting?
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He is great as the intense Englishman Ken Miles and very compelling.
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And he brings across that competitive character who needs to be the top of his field, or otherwise he's just kind of not fulfilling his role on Earth.
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And what was nice about this movie is that you see that character here with a loving and understanding wife and a loving and understanding son, and it slots in the highly ambitious, highly competitive, driven-to-perform character alongside normalcy of a wife and a son whom he loves and lives his life for the sake of, and they're also on board with the racing.
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You're the one who characterized, because we both agreed.
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But yes, it's the thing for me that I thought was really kind of interesting in its avoidance of it was that they didn't...
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They didn't take the prerequisite, I can't handle my husband doing a job that's so dangerous even though I married him and I knew that was what he was going to do for his life.
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I was happy that we didn't have to go through that.
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His wife was just, okay, this is what he does, and I love it, and he loves it, and that's what's going to happen now.
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I mean, it was mild conflict at one point, but that was...
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It was specific to the marriage rather than the annoying genre concern.
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Because movies are at their worst when the dialogue is just kind of there because you have to have dialogue to move you from A to B efficiently when we all know it's going to happen.
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Stock dialogue, stock characters, stock things are insufferable.
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But also, it's insulting in a historical drama movie because then you're taking away the humanity of actual people.
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You had Ken Miles, real person, real racer, Hall of Fame kind of guy, rendered into a dead, stock script kind of character.
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What a disrespect to a human being to make him basically a cardboard cutout with a face.
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I thought that was really actually interesting because, you know, of course, we as viewers are worried about Ken and any driver who can get into a crash and die and burn.
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Yeah, we're going to touch on that later, but that was a bit weird.
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The level of awareness and dwelling upon of the danger in the racing.
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Yes, they didn't talk about it as if it was an actual concern.
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Yeah, I was going to say, why don't we go back to Matt Damon?
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I mean, look, Matt Damon as an actor is one of those guys who is just extremely likable on screen.
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You watch him and you're like, that seems like a cool guy.
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And I'm sure that Matt Damon himself is likable.
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We know some things about his politics and his reaction to other people.
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We don't really know anything about the person.
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But there are some actors who it's like, oh, you watch them and it's that actor in a part.
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Oh, the George Clooney approach of being George Clooney in every movie.
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But he on screen is just, I find, pretty much always likable.
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And you kind of want to see his relationships with other people because he's just a friendly...
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Christian Bale, dude, as Ken Miles, was volatile, stubborn, self-aware about it, but couldn't help himself with how just intense and passionate and angry he was.
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Whereas the Matt Damon performance as Carroll Shelby felt like he could have just been charming, affable, professionally driven man rather than whoever Carroll Shelby actually was.
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It may have been Carroll Shelby or it may have just been kind of stock straight man character for Matt Damon to play.
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I don't know enough about Carroll Shelby's actual personality.
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But unlike Christian Bale's Ken Miles, it just didn't come across as like, oh, this is a particular person.
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It just kind of, it could have come across as just, this is Matt Damon playing God.
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The one thing I will say is that Ken Miles is a much showier part generally.
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And Carroll Shelby, I don't think, is a showy part.
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I don't think any person playing that part, you would have been like, oh, that's the scene stealer.
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And that, I think, brings us to the next point, which is the script.
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Not the writing in the scenes between characters.
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You were watching human beings throughout the movie.
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Again, as opposed to just puppets or Muppets or whatever you want to call them, just the inert dolls
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that they basically put a bump against each other like a kid in a bathtub for dialogue
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that they do in some movies, so many movies that are bad.
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Here, everyone was acting and everyone had good dialogue, so that came across and you felt
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Again, almost three hour movie that you were not aware of the time length of.
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What the errors in the movie consisted of with regard to the writing...
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You can't see the hand, but also the mic is on the table, so that'll screw things up.
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So, what the errors in the movie consisted of was the way in which the drama and conflict
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with regard to the Ford race team consisting of Ken Miles and Carroll Shelby, that conflict
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there felt so arbitrary, so stupid, so stock movie, sports movie conflict.
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It's the creatives against the business corporations.
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I mean, if you want conflict between the corporate team and then our creative types where the
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corporates just don't get it, you know what you do?
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You portray the corporates not getting it and why.
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If it's a matter of, oh, we can't take a risk here, well, why do they think that?
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Is the guy who made his career all the way up into senior vice president of a major company
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If he is, show it and show the culture of Ford where that's a problem and then actually
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show it's endemic to the corporate, then I have some sympathy for the conflict and kind
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Whereas if that guy had any inkling of a point, show me why it would have made sense to him,
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even though it wouldn't have made sense for this situation for these characters.
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Make him not just a jerk who's there to be a jerk.
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I felt like, here's what I felt like, and I'm kind of assimilating this information as
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we're talking, is that I feel like all of the script writing was actually really good
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between the character, the creative characters and husband and wife, and that was great.
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I think the issue was that because they were fabricating the conflict, then everything
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The conflict was between man and accomplishment.
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It was between them accomplishing what they needed to do to prove themselves.
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Not, I need to fight the corporate guy who's telling me that Ken Miles can't fight and
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But the best movies, the best sports movies, I think, are the ones like Miracle.
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I know you haven't seen that, but the ones where there's a team that just needs to prove
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And the conflict is built into them playing their best and doing their best.
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If you've done your job well in a movie like that, there is inherent drama.
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There are inherent stakes from the scale of task before our heroes so that we get it as
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We just understand inherently how hard this is and how much they want it.
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And you let the difficulty of the task present itself so that when you think you have it pinned
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down, oh, look, a wrinkle in the fabric of the situation reveals itself because of course
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Oh, midpoint turn or whatever it is that's like the stock pacing of the script.
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You don't need it to be that, oh, we're so confident we're going to accomplish the objective
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So this was actually feasible to achieve and it's just Ford getting in its own way?
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Because apparently they don't care about winning.
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And then also, to me, there were a couple of things.
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So here are some other wrinkles in the script, I think.
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We're in the 60s, Ford versus Ferrari, the Le Mans big...
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The Le Mans 24-hour race that they're trying to do.
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You're literally racing for 24 hours to see who's the most racer there is.
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The idea of that as a spectator sport fuddles me.
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Historically, it revealed itself to be capable of being a spectator sport.
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What's annoying is that the central conflict that starts the movie, the very idea of this
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Ford rivalry with Ferrari, comes from Ford trying to boost some sales.
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And Wea Iacocca, future leader, he recommends that they try and compete with Ferrari by being
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They kind of ignore the fact that they also bring up the Ferrari's sales we're flagging.
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So if the whole idea is Ford's sales are flagging, so we're trying to improve our sales, so
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we're going to do what Ferrari does because they're a sexy race car, but then Ferrari as
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They try and buy Ferrari for Ford, and it turned out that Ferrari, the man himself, was actually
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just using them to make Fiat give them a better offer to buy them out.
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And then also Ferrari personally insults Henry Ford II, grandson of the Henry Ford.
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The grandson's now in charge of Ford the corporation.
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Insults him and tells him you're never going to be Henry Ford.
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You're just a piddling, nothing, nepotistic baby.
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He wants to beat Ferrari at their own game and whoop him in racing.
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There are three moments in the movie where Henry Ford II is like, I'm going to go to
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I'm going to smash my Capone in The Untouchables.
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But then immediately does a stupid decision that's bureaucratic and corporate, and it's
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more about just dumb marketing ideas rather than actually trying to win.
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So how am I supposed to view this man who's driving the plot by his decisions?
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Is he on our hero's side in terms of like inspiring, wants to whoop the Italians at the racing, or
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is he an obstacle to be overcome because he's just a corporate boob?
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And they didn't show a balance between he wants to do it, but then kind of his inherent corporate
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It's anything, anything, anything that had to be corporate in this movie.
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They were just like, well, I feel like in corporations, this is what would happen.
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Like people would be mean, and then they would be stupid.
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Because as we all know, the studios that produce movies like this are completely free form creative
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That just have no structure, and there's no big money on the line that makes everyone
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As we all know, film studios are not big corporations, and they have no bureaucratic structure or anything
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And so we can just treat every corporation as idiotic and stodgy and uncreative, which is why
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they all survive, which is why they've created all the products that we use, and it's why
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Because it's supposed to be a dramatic, I'm rolling out my sleeves, it's supposed to be
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a dramatic swell that we're on board with, and now the team's going to buckle down and
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And then something done happens, and Josh Lucas is involved.
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And then it was stupid, like Henry Ford's just like, oh yeah, I handed over the reins
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It made zero sense with the characters, with the writing.
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There were actually two and three I want to hit.
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One is that the Ford, there were other Ford teams that were just totally unaddressed, that
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there were like two other cars that were in second and third place at Le Mans.
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And I was thinking to myself, are they also created by Shelby?
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Why are we taking so much stock in Carroll Shelby and Ken Miles if there are two other cars that
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are as fast or just about as fast as Carroll Shelby's car?
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I was just like, I get it and I understand you have to like cut things for time and you're
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But if they could have just devoted one second to being, to explaining why there were other
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Fords in the race so that I wasn't sitting there like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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This isn't, the movie's called Ford versus Ferrari.
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How many movies have been rebooted or like on the same topic?
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But just, if it's all about Ford, then why is Ford almost as much the enemy here as Ferrari
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Make it its own movie about the Shelby team kind of brought in by Ford, but using Ford to
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achieve their own accomplishment that Ford's kind of the piggy bank for, but also inherent
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And that's fine because that's kind of what this movie was, but then they emphasize the
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Ford pride or going to war thing so much that then it just made everyone involved with
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We keep referring to Josh Lucas, also the senior VP.
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So Josh Lucas, this actor who, he was in The Incredible Hulk directed by Ang Lee.
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Or he plays a love interest in a rom-com, which that's the stuff I know him for.
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He's made to be like a modern, grown-up version of like a 1980s blonde high school bully.
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So he's in it as the senior VP of Ford, and he's the one who's skeptical of the project,
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and he's the one who thinks in corporate boxes.
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So he comes up with a dumb marketing stunt all the time.
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So, for example, at the end of the movie, come out.
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So at the end of the movie, spoiler, Christian Bale is about to win the race, and he gets
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into form that this senior VP has thought of the wonderful plan of having Ford, driven
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by him, and then Ford in second place, and then Ford in third place, all drive wheel to
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wheel over the finish line together for the sake of a photograph, because it'll look good
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for their marketing, rather than letting Christian Bale and his team achieve their accomplishment
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of just winning the race by more than a country mile.
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So somehow he achieves his plan, but he tells it to Henry Ford, who, again, was supposed to
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have the fire back in his gut that we want to win, and he agrees to it.
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And then when they complain to him, he's like, oh, well, I named him the senior VP.
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But you just threatened to fire everyone, Henry Ford.
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You just asserted how you're in charge of everyone on this project, and everything happens
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Yeah, but I appointed him, and he's in charge, and it's his decision.
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So basically, his whole role is to constantly come in and say, I don't like Ken Miles, because
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Ken Miles said something stupid to me one time, and now I don't ever want him to race,
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which is false, as far as I understand, that didn't happen.
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And also, it was just a stupid ploy to create more drama that the movie didn't need.
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So another thing in the script that I didn't think was necessary, and were the only parts
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in the movie that felt slow, were the parts with Christian Bale and his son.
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I like the interplay in most movies between a father and his child.
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Whether or not Hollywood can pull off normal family interaction is another thing.
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It's almost as if so many of these scripts are written by people who don't have kids,
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But the thing for me in this movie was I felt that what they were doing in those scenes
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was it was almost a chance for the writers to just speak directly to the audience about
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the things that they wanted to say in a kind of annoying, we love driving, we understand
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the sport way, just by having Christian Bale talk through his son.
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It was incredibly didactic and kind of condescendingly expositive.
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I didn't find that the chemistry between the son and Christian Bale was great.
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And I like that the son like adored his father, wanted to be very involved in learning about
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the racing and watching the racing was like hanging on every radio report of the Le Mans
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But just the way he participated in conversation was just...
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For me, the whole movie, despite all of these negatives, which were frustrating and you
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Because most of the time we see movies a little bit later.
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And I also felt like the relationship between...
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Honestly, it was the relationship between Christian Bale and Matt Damon on screen.
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And also, another thing I learned is that there was no CGI in this movie.
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Well, all of the racing and the cars were real.
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There was a scene in the car where it felt like it should have happened later.
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Is Matt Damon saying something that feels tacked on and out of pace with the tone of the movie.
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Of 7,000 RPM is when you just forget the car and you feel like a body moving through space.
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Because if a tire is a certain diameter and it's rotating a certain amount of time.
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But they see that at the beginning of the movie.
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And then all the way at the end when Christian Bale, Ken Miles, is at Le Mans.
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And he's spoken about this idea of the perfect lap.
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Where you make every right decision about how hard to push the car.
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And he kind of just realizes how far ahead he is now.
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You see that thing where they pull out with the camera like that.
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And you think, oh, he's going to crash and burn to death.
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At some point somebody is going to crash and die.
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You know there's going to be a moment where he's going to die or almost die.
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So this moment in the movie that we're talking about.
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And it was after the fact that Jacob said, oh, it was because he had realized he hit his
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And there had been the conflict about, oh, he'd been given the choice by Matt Damon.
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Is he going to drive with those two other cars across the finish line as a unit?
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Or is he going to achieve the victory personally and create kind of corporate problems for their team?
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That's not what it felt like it was for in the moment.
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It felt like, to me, I thought to myself, okay, it zooms in on the speedometer going 220 miles per hour.
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And the, as he's driving, it zooms in on the speedometer showing it, and it shows that there's no movement.
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Because they mentioned when he takes over the car in the last part of the race, brakes are shot.
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Everyone's crashing in this race, which we wanted to circle around to this.
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They do not clearly establish how lethal this racing is.
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So his side of the car is facing the oncoming cars.
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He gets hit at 200 miles per hour by another guy.
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They don't tell us this man has been made into fine paste.
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Now we're back to this scene, the lethality of Christian Bale behind the wheel.
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He realized that he kind of takes his hands off the wheel for a second.
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And I thought it meant he had realized he'd made the choice to live this life.
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He accepted that this was how he was going to go.
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Same kind of bargain you struck of, I will die based on this.
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But he, except, you know, he, and so I was like, okay, sure.
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But then the end of the movie, spoilers, he actually does die because the brakes go out.
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Or something to do with the car spinning out at 150 and flipping.
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Why didn't you wait and use that shot, that moment, when he's about to die?
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It would have gotten across the poignancy of his devotion to his craft.
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His, also his family's kind of buy-in on it and the drama of it all.
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And instead, it was just misplaced and very tonally confusing and misleading.
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So we spent so, almost the entirety of this review, except for the first few minutes, talking
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about things that bothered us about this movie.
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And that reflects our conversation about the movie just personally after we left the theater.
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My favorite scene was the scene where Christian Bale and Matt Damon get in a fight.
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And it really reflected what guy friends are like, in my opinion.
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Yeah, because you've seen me fist fight so many of our friends.
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Not necessarily physical ones, but just get into fights because they're friends.
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And it's just, I thought that was really funny.
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I'm not rating it, but you should rate it three out of five.
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I like to do enough to give it three and a half.
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I'm not rating it, but you should rate it three out of five.
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So, my opinion on this movie is go see it, and these are our issues with it.
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Just, you know, if we're remaking everything, just remake this in 15 years.
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Digitally de-age Christian Bale and Matt Damon back to how they were for this exact movie.
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Yours costs less money, so they're not going to do it.
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But if we let them remake it, they might put Marvel characters in.
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