Classically Abby - July 27, 2021


Is Marriage REALLY Patriarchal? I Did Some Digging...And The Feminist Story Doesn't Add Up.


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25 minutes

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176.15201

Word Count

4,521

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264

Misogynist Sentences

44

Hate Speech Sentences

25


Summary

In this episode, we discuss whether or not marriage is patriarchal. Is it a patriarchal system, or is it a system that is meant to benefit men? How can we know for sure that it is patriarchal? And why does the feminist narrative tell us that marriage was historically patriarchal?


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, Classic Crew, and welcome to my channel, where we explore political and cultural topics
00:00:05.820 of the day in an in-depth and relatable way. Today, we are talking about a touchy subject,
00:00:12.440 and that is whether or not marriage is patriarchal. I have been researching this
00:00:18.180 for a while now, and it has been a journey. If you look up the history of marriage,
00:00:25.080 almost every article you come across is going to tell you that marriage has historically been
00:00:30.380 and currently is patriarchal. And initially, when I was looking at all of these articles,
00:00:36.060 I was taking it down as fact. I was thinking to myself, okay, this must be true if everyone
00:00:41.180 agrees with it. But that's the thing about journalism and the internet. Everything will
00:00:45.540 start to sound the same because everyone is referencing the same thing. So I really had
00:00:50.780 to take an in-depth, deep dive to try and understand what the actual history is of marriage.
00:00:57.020 What were its origins? Was it really to the benefit of men, or did it benefit women? Now,
00:01:02.380 I'm not saying I have all the answers here, but I really want to explore with you guys today and
00:01:06.760 have a conversation about it. Raise some questions that maybe the feminist narrative doesn't really
00:01:12.820 cover and doesn't really answer. Just a quick plug for my Substack newsletter. If you aren't already
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00:01:29.560 and I'll link it in the description box below. And don't forget to ring that notification bell and
00:01:33.520 subscribe. So what does patriarchal mean? Patriarchal is the idea that a system is controlled
00:01:39.780 for and by men. It is for their benefit. So marriage being a patriarchal system would mean that it is
00:01:46.840 only for the benefit of men and that women are victimized by it. Why do feminists want to believe
00:01:52.860 that marriage is patriarchal? Now, this comes down to our favorite topic here on this channel,
00:01:58.540 critical theory. If you guys remember, critical theory is built on the idea of the hierarchy of
00:02:04.280 oppression, that we view the world through the lens of victims and oppressors. And if anything ever
00:02:10.520 had a history that through a modern lens doesn't seem to make sense to us and can then be perceived
00:02:16.300 as bad, that system now has no value and needs to be torn down and rebuilt. Now, you can imagine
00:02:22.340 what happens when people try and tear down the systems that have allowed societies and civilizations
00:02:27.320 to flourish and try to build societies based on their interpretation and their version of what
00:02:34.760 should look ideal. That's always a very dangerous game to play because how do we trust that your version
00:02:41.920 of ideal is actually ideal? And how do we know how that's going to play out? Now, if we were to tear
00:02:48.260 down marriage completely, you can imagine what would happen to society. We know because we've seen
00:02:53.840 the breakdown of marriage already. Marriage is an incredible institution that provides stability to both
00:02:59.880 women and their children. And we have seen what happens when single mothers have to raise their children
00:03:05.460 on their own. They are left in poverty. They don't have support. The children have bad effects too.
00:03:10.640 They are more likely to have a criminal record if they are raised in single-parent homes. And they are
00:03:15.360 more likely to be sexually abused. I mean, these are all terrible outcomes. And marriage is a solution
00:03:20.960 to those things. So tearing down the institution of marriage isn't actually a great idea. So how are
00:03:26.640 feminists able to make it so that if you search the history of marriage, the only thing you can find
00:03:31.460 is that marriage was historically patriarchal? Well, the answer to that question is something
00:03:36.500 called transformationism. I would quickly like to explain the difference between feminists and
00:03:41.100 gender feminists. I would consider myself an equity feminist. But a gender feminist believes that
00:03:46.360 women are born victims and men are born oppressors. Now, you can already see how easily this fits into
00:03:51.880 the narrative that marriage is historically patriarchal. And gender feminists have fought very hard in
00:03:57.440 education. They have wanted to transform the knowledge base. This is all available in Christina
00:04:03.160 Hoff Sommer's book, Who Stole Feminism? And that's where we get the word transformationism. They have
00:04:07.940 tried to entirely rewrite history to tell the story and the narrative that they would like to see. So they
00:04:14.760 either downplay the history of men's accomplishments. They might say that women played a larger role in
00:04:20.380 political systems than they actually did. And they may also say, you guessed it, marriage was patriarchal
00:04:26.700 in the past. So now when you look on the internet to try and find any sort of normal resources, just
00:04:33.340 even-handed resources about the history of marriage, it's really, really difficult. So I wanted to try and
00:04:39.440 do a little bit of the legwork for you guys. So we've raised a question. Are they right? Was marriage
00:04:44.920 historically patriarchal? And even if it was, which I'm not agreeing to, but let's say it was, does that
00:04:51.980 invalidate what marriage is today? Now something we should keep in mind throughout this video is that
00:04:57.220 the feminist lens is one that is modern. I don't know if you guys have ever watched a movie and
00:05:02.760 noticed that it's a historical story told through the perspective of our modern eyes, where maybe
00:05:08.280 there's a female character who really believes that she should be able to have a career that at the
00:05:14.760 time was just not something that women would have considered. Now I'm not saying that women can't have
00:05:19.720 had similar thoughts in those times that we do now, but we are coming from a very different
00:05:24.600 perspective than women in the medieval ages were. So keeping that in mind, when feminists are looking
00:05:30.640 at history through a modern lens and putting and prescribing certain intentions on women and men
00:05:37.220 who lived in a different time and who didn't have our modern perception of things, then it's going to
00:05:43.160 be a misreading of history. And I think that's important to keep in mind. I also want to explain the
00:05:47.680 difference between a couple of things that are going to come up in this video a few times. And that is the
00:05:52.120 difference between legislation and the law. Legislation is a written rule. It is something that if you
00:05:58.860 looked at hardcore on the paper, it looks really strict or it looks pretty unbelievable. The law is how it was
00:06:06.540 actually practiced. Was this legislation actually practiced that way in real life? And that's a really big
00:06:12.800 difference, right? It's kind of like a recipe and how you actually make something. The recipe might be
00:06:18.700 very specific and might have certain rules, but if the general public isn't doing all of those rules
00:06:24.220 and is changing the ingredients or is changing the way that they cook things, then they might get a
00:06:29.000 totally different outcome at the end than the recipe actually says will happen. So now that we've got
00:06:34.080 that out of the way, let's talk about what was the history of marriage and what was its purpose.
00:06:39.140 The earliest incidents of marriage occurred in around 2350 BCE in Mesopotamia. It's actually
00:06:46.960 recorded in the Code of Ur-Namu, which I personally had never heard of. I'd always heard of the Code
00:06:51.660 of Hammurabi, but apparently the Code of Ur-Namu is actually the oldest written code of law, and there
00:06:57.320 are things in that code talking about wives and husbands. But something to keep in mind is that before
00:07:02.940 we had agrarian communities where people settled down and farmed, there wasn't as much of a need
00:07:08.780 for pair bonding. There wasn't as much of a need for marriages because people didn't need to settle
00:07:17.320 down and prevent infighting within communities. When people started getting married, they needed a
00:07:23.300 social structure, they needed a way to prevent violence between men, and they needed a way to
00:07:29.860 figure out property rights. So these earliest forms of marriages really created stability within
00:07:35.280 communities. You had a mother and a father, and it was very defined whose children were whose,
00:07:40.740 and there was less violence and competition over women and children. Now religious marriage started
00:07:46.040 with the Torah and the Jews, and this is how we know marriage now. This was a religious ceremony,
00:07:52.360 but it was really a contract. And in the Jewish contract, the ketubah, which is the same, pretty much
00:07:58.900 the same today as it was when it was first created, it really just breaks down everything
00:08:03.880 that the husband owes to the wife. Everything that the man must do, and if he does not do those
00:08:10.480 things, the woman can divorce him with no cost. This includes financial obligations, but it also
00:08:15.480 includes conjugal obligations. Essentially, if he isn't having enough sex with the wife, she could
00:08:20.920 divorce him. If he wasn't supporting her financially, she could divorce him. Then Christians and Muslims
00:08:26.440 followed suit with marriage, and interestingly, polygamy was ended with the Christians. It
00:08:32.060 continued for the Jews until about a thousand years ago, but this is another example of legislation
00:08:38.540 versus law. The legislation as it was written for polygamy in the Torah is that if a man was going to
00:08:45.480 have multiple wives, he needed to make sure that they had exactly equal everything. Everything had to be
00:08:52.340 as if he had not taken another wife. And that was a very hard thing to do, as you might imagine,
00:08:59.820 because he would have to provide for her a very good supportive life, give her conjugal rights,
00:09:05.440 and do it in a way that would be equal between all of his wives. So as you might imagine, this happened
00:09:09.500 very rarely practically. So the legislation said, yes, you can have multiple wives, but the law,
00:09:15.780 the practice of that legislation, practically made it impossible. Now, thinking about this,
00:09:20.700 how could this be patriarchal? The woman was not the property of her husband. People like to discuss
00:09:27.120 it that way, that she belonged to her husband, but it's actually just factually incorrect. He had to
00:09:33.920 provide for her. He had to protect her. He gave her stability when she was having children, which is
00:09:40.480 one of the scariest things for women, is that when you have a baby, you won't have somebody to help you
00:09:46.060 and care for you and your child. That was a wonderful thing about marriage, was that it prevented
00:09:52.240 women from having to raise a family on their own, and it forced men to be responsible for not only
00:09:58.620 their wife, but any children she would bear. And this is not a patriarchal system, if you think about
00:10:04.540 it practically. The man owed the woman quite a bit historically. I mean, he couldn't just walk away
00:10:11.240 from her. Marriage was a great deal for the woman. And let's keep in mind that there's a really big
00:10:17.020 difference between ownership and protection. The feminist modern lens placed on this might make it
00:10:23.440 look like, oh, he bought her. The woman went from her father to her husband. She was property of both.
00:10:30.280 At the time, I don't think women viewed it that way. That's how I would think. I would think women
00:10:35.280 viewed it as, oh, I'm going from my house of my father, where he's protecting me, to the house of my
00:10:40.820 husband, where he's protecting me. And I get to fulfill something that's really important to me.
00:10:46.960 For women of that era, being a mother and being a wife were huge goals. And this is not to say that
00:10:54.740 theoretically, if women wanted to do more, they couldn't have. Because in the Torah and in prophets
00:10:59.840 and in writings, we see examples of women who are not only mothers, of course they are, and wives,
00:11:05.860 but who are incredibly strong and leaders of the nation. And we also see an example of a father
00:11:12.820 passing property through his daughters. Salaf Khad had five daughters, and when he passed away,
00:11:18.300 his daughters didn't want his property to be given to someone that wasn't his direct descendant. And in
00:11:24.180 the Torah, they received his property. So this wasn't a patriarchal system. Women inherited property,
00:11:30.620 and when they left their father's homes to go to their husband's homes, they shared that property
00:11:35.740 with their husband. It didn't become his property, it was their property. Now, one of the things that
00:11:41.200 feminists will say is that a man could have multiple wives, he could have concubines, but a woman couldn't
00:11:47.200 do the same. Now, from a practical perspective, let's just clarify why this was probably the case,
00:11:53.380 which is that we always know who the mother is of a child. We don't always know who the father is
00:11:58.880 of a child. So for a woman to sleep with multiple men, it would mean that the father and patrilineal
00:12:04.960 line would be unclear. In Judaism, interestingly, the Jewish line actually goes through the mother. So
00:12:12.780 if your mother is Jewish, you are Jewish. Again, an interesting thing to keep in mind. But in addition,
00:12:18.960 again, in the Torah, it was very difficult to actually practically have a concubine or multiple
00:12:25.340 wives. Now, the concubine issue has to do with some Jewish laws that prevent a young woman who is not
00:12:31.820 married from purifying herself for conjugal relations. So that would be very difficult for
00:12:37.980 them to actually practice. Some other things to know is that Catholics view marriage as a sacrament
00:12:43.380 and Protestants view marriage as a covenant. And the first time that we see the actual term
00:12:48.120 marriage used is around between 1200 and 1350 CE in Middle English. So what was early marriage for?
00:12:57.220 There's a feminist theory that marriage was not for love for most of history. Marriage was to create
00:13:04.160 political alliances or to have clear bloodlines or to deal with property rights. It provided social
00:13:10.660 stability and allowed for the growth of world civilizations. It prevented jealousy. This is what you're
00:13:16.880 going to see in every single article if you Google, what was early marriage for? What was the purpose
00:13:21.980 of early marriage? The theory then goes that by 1850, when the Industrial Revolution started happening,
00:13:29.140 instead of marriage being a need, something that people needed where they had a partner and they
00:13:34.680 would support them and it didn't matter who that partner was, it was just about needing someone in
00:13:41.120 order to have a family. The Industrial Revolution allowed people to leave their parents' homes,
00:13:47.220 earn for themselves, and they didn't need to get married. They could get married if they so chose.
00:13:52.580 And that is when marriage became about love. But here is the big question, and this is one that I could
00:13:59.220 not find an answer to. How could marriage only be about practical choices if throughout art history,
00:14:07.680 we see that love and marriage are combined? Think about the ancient legend of Orpheus and Eurydice.
00:14:16.240 In that story, Orpheus and Eurydice fall in love, and at their wedding ceremony, she gets bit by a snake
00:14:22.420 and is dragged down to hell. Orpheus has to follow her down into Hades to save her, but he's not allowed
00:14:28.540 to look back at her. And he is in love with her, and they got married. Now, there is more to that story,
00:14:34.480 but that's not really relevant here. What's relevant is that they got married and were in
00:14:39.720 love. Think about Shakespeare. Think about Beatrice and Benedict. Think about every single comedy of
00:14:47.280 Shakespeare's where people fall in love, and it ends in marriage. Now, that's not to say that there
00:14:52.940 aren't marriages that are trying to be made for political alliances. I'm not discounting that that
00:14:57.920 happened. What I'm trying to say is that love and marriage were thought of as going hand in hand,
00:15:04.540 and especially for the 90% of people who weren't in the upper echelon of society, who didn't have to
00:15:10.120 deal with political alliances and family dynamics. They were getting married for love. What other reason
00:15:17.540 would they have? Even in the time of Henry VIII, the history tells us that he was in love with Anne
00:15:25.040 Bolin. He was obsessed with her, and that was part of the reason why he wanted to marry her. Now,
00:15:30.800 it's not the only reason. Again, I'm not discounting that there was some politics tied in with marriage,
00:15:37.020 but there was also love. And saying that marriage was entirely a patriarchal institution with no concept
00:15:43.100 of love up until the 1850s is absurd to me. I mean, art is a reflection of history, but also the stories
00:15:50.180 that we have of history tell us this. As well, it seems to me that if feminists perceive marriage as any sort of
00:15:56.740 need, then they think it is de-legitimate. It's not something that was freely chosen. And a need and a want
00:16:05.100 can go hand in hand. A marriage between two people who want to support each other and love each other
00:16:11.060 because marriage is important for societies, is good for their family structure, was good for their children,
00:16:17.440 that doesn't totally delegitimize their relationship and their love. Another thing that also tends to
00:16:25.260 drive me crazy is the idea that women were forced into marriages that they didn't want to engage in,
00:16:31.760 and this was another patriarchal thing that would happen, where women were sent off to marry men
00:16:36.420 to make those political alliances and allegiances. Well, has anyone ever considered that the men didn't
00:16:42.960 want to get married to that woman either? Now, one thing that feminists will definitely bring up if
00:16:48.720 you want to talk about marriage as a patriarchal institution is the idea of coverture. Now, coverture
00:16:54.480 was a common law practice that a woman, when she was single, a femme sole, was an individual person
00:17:02.340 and she could own property and she could do her own thing. And when she got married, she became a femme couvert,
00:17:07.360 which meant a woman who was covered by her husband. Her identity, according to feminist theory,
00:17:15.360 was subsumed into her husband's and she no longer existed as another person, as an individual. Now,
00:17:22.080 this concept was written down by a fellow named Blackstone. And when you look this up, you will
00:17:27.440 often find that they quote Blackstone by taking the first paragraph of his entry on coverture and the
00:17:34.800 last sentence. Now, the first paragraph explains that a woman becomes part of her husband when she
00:17:40.880 marries him. And the last sentence says, and this was a good thing, a way to turn Blackstone into a bad
00:17:47.440 person. Now, I did a little bit of digging and I found the entirety of Blackstone's entry on coverture.
00:17:55.920 I am not convinced by this feminist theory. First of all, I found a book called Married Woman and the Law
00:18:01.760 in Premodern Northwest Europe. And it essentially says that coverture wasn't really practiced in the
00:18:07.520 way that feminists want you to believe. Feminists want you to believe that the woman, her identity
00:18:11.760 was totally subsumed into her husband's, yes, but that also all of her property became his,
00:18:15.680 she had no legal rights, she couldn't run any businesses, she had no power over her children.
00:18:20.880 All of this is the way that feminists pose this theory. Now, in this paper, in this book,
00:18:26.240 it says that this wasn't really the case. Again, this may be a case of legislation versus law.
00:18:33.040 In the legislation, it may have said that a woman becomes part of her husband. But in practice,
00:18:39.920 this wasn't really the case. She did have legal rights. She did have rights to her own property.
00:18:45.040 Now, what's even more interesting is that maybe the legislation isn't correct the way that feminists
00:18:50.480 have shared it. So the way that Blackstone actually talks about coverture is very different than the
00:18:55.600 way that feminists make it sound. He makes clear that the woman isn't entirely gone from existence
00:19:02.000 when she marries her husband. She and her husband become one entity. It happens to be that it's under
00:19:09.200 his name. But at the end of the day, it's really talking about how the two people are viewed as one
00:19:15.520 legal person. It's not that her identity has been rid of, that she is now not important. He and she
00:19:23.280 are one. They are the same. It's a religious perspective, if you think about it. And his
00:19:28.720 property becomes her property. She and he are just viewed as a legal same person. Now, from a modern
00:19:37.200 lens, this sounds horrible. How could you get rid of a woman's identity? How could you throw her out like
00:19:42.240 that? From a historical lens, it's entirely different. People from that time viewed themselves
00:19:47.760 in the context of their community. They viewed themselves in the context of their family.
00:19:52.240 They didn't see themselves in this enlightenment, individualistic way. They didn't see themselves as
00:19:59.200 my goals and my purposes are unique from everyone else I know and love. They viewed themselves as part
00:20:06.160 of one thing. And that meant that a woman marrying her husband and starting a family and having her
00:20:13.680 identity merged with his was not weird. So this is just a different view on things and one that maybe
00:20:21.120 is more accurate. So is it possible that this is a misreading of this common law? That there wasn't
00:20:28.160 this sort of property owning right to your wife. That instead, the man and the woman were viewed as
00:20:35.920 one person. Now, this did cause some problems. I'm not saying it didn't. But it wasn't this patriarchal
00:20:43.200 view of marriage like feminists want us to believe. So how did men benefit from marriage and how did women
00:20:50.400 benefit? Men benefited because they had a very clear line from their wife to their children. They knew who
00:20:57.040 their children were. That was a big benefit for men because then they could have patrilineal descendants
00:21:02.960 and that was a good and important thing for societies. How did women benefit? Well, women got support.
00:21:10.640 They had a husband who could provide for them. They knew that their husband was going to be there even
00:21:15.200 after they had children. They knew that they would be supported and protected. And these were huge and
00:21:21.280 important things. I mean, can you imagine in the middle ages women not having that? It was incredibly
00:21:28.160 important and not at all patriarchal. It was from a protective perspective. And why did women take their
00:21:34.160 husbands surnames? So that is part of the coverture thing where when women married their husbands
00:21:40.240 and they became one unit, she took on his name. Now, for a very long time, surnames didn't even exist.
00:21:46.240 People just went by Jake or Jerry or Lisa. But then when there were too many people living in one
00:21:51.440 community, it was too confusing. So often it became, what does this person do? Taylor. You know,
00:21:56.560 that kind of thing. And then that last name would transfer to his wife when they got married.
00:22:01.200 So today, why do feminists believe that men benefit from marriage more than women? This is something I
00:22:08.800 thought about before I even started on researching this video. A very feminine perspective on marriage is that men
00:22:15.840 gain everything from marriage. They gain a woman to clean their house and a woman to cook their meals,
00:22:20.960 a woman to have sex with them whenever they want. And I don't mean that in a negative or dangerous way.
00:22:27.760 But at the end of the day, if a man is uninterested in having a familial life or having children,
00:22:35.120 and he just wants to continue to be a bachelor, then he gains absolutely nothing from getting married.
00:22:41.120 Because he could pay someone to clean his house. He could pay someone to cook for him or go out to
00:22:46.400 eat every night. He could pay someone or meet someone to have sex with. Men don't view all of
00:22:54.400 the things that women do for them as the reason to get married or the best part of marriage. A good man
00:23:01.680 gets married because he wants a family and he wants to support his wife. A man would never choose to get
00:23:08.560 married for any of those other reasons because, again, he could just get those outside of marriage
00:23:14.080 by paying for them. If we view marriage in that realistic way from a man's perspective, what a man
00:23:20.400 gets from marriage is love, is support, is a family, is something he can be proud of, something he can
00:23:27.440 build. Those are the things that men get. But women get things that are much more practical. They get
00:23:34.240 support. They get a man to help raise their children. They know that they aren't going to
00:23:39.120 have to go it alone. And they are protected. And that is huge. And we see the results of that
00:23:45.920 in our modern society. When women don't get married, how much harder they have it, how much harder it is
00:23:51.120 on their children. And when they do, the happiness they find, the sexual fulfillment they get, the
00:23:56.960 protection they have, it is so much more beneficial to women to get married than it is not to. And
00:24:04.640 historically, I don't think that marriage was patriarchal. There may have been. I'm not going
00:24:10.400 to discount and say that there was no situation in which there were patriarchal motives for a marriage.
00:24:17.440 But for the most part, the institution of marriage was instituted for the protection of women,
00:24:22.960 not because men wanted control over them. So that is my video for today. I would love to know your
00:24:29.680 guys' thoughts in the comments. I'd love to have a conversation with you about this because
00:24:34.080 it's a really interesting topic and it's really difficult to do research on. So if you have trouble
00:24:39.200 finding some of the sources that I'm talking about today, I will link some of them below. But I would
00:24:44.400 love for more people to do research on this topic and find the truth about the history of the patriarchy
00:24:50.400 in marriage. I had a really hard time with it myself. And this is not a dissertation. This is
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