My HUSBAND And I Livestreamed VIDEOGAMES! ｜｜ Livestream #2 With YAF - Breaking The Meta
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In the second session of Breaking the Meta, we continue our journey through the themes of Objectivist Capitalism and Objectivist capitalism in Bioshock 2, and discuss the game's criticisms of capitalism and how they are not critiques of conservatism.
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hello friends hello and welcome to the second session of breaking the meta where we're playing
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bioshock and going through the game's criticisms of objectivist capitalism and how those are not
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critiques of conservatism exactly so if you guys don't know us i'm classically abby and this is my
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husband jacob roth i run a channel where we talk about commentary lifestyle beauty fashion and
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opera all from a conservative and classic perspective and i'm a staff attorney for
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young america's foundation where we help do educational programming for college students
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on free markets strong national defense and traditional values and let's get into the game
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yeah let's start playing so just as a reminder for those who have seen it and those who have not
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watched before uh i'm terrible at video games so i am not going to be playing this well but i will
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be playing it my husband is much better so if i ever throw the controllers at him that's why
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because i'm not good at this so to that end why don't you start us off am i starting okay
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jacob world traveler says you look like you're from texas right now aka free america
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yeah if only i were i am instead from strong iowa new york i would say represent but it's with no pride
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that i say that and uh we'll be talking to you guys over on my youtube channel and on the yaf
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twitch stream so feel free to ask us questions because that is a really good way for us to
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communicate with you all and actually be able to participate in the comment section so uh let's get
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into this do we just start yeah yeah okay let's go so some background we did the first chapter level
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of the game last week which was your intro to this world this undersea city which has fallen
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into civil war and decay we're now on the second level we're going to learn about some of the
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origins of the conflict that led to the city falling apart and uh has themes of foreign policy
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and uh one of the cool things about this game is music and the setting and even though this
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water effects yeah even though this game is quite old um it really holds up which is fun um so we're
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gonna be walking through here and there is a lot of violence so just uh let the creepy woman have
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her moment of poetry do you want to immediately take on this big daddy i mean i'm not good at that
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but i can try uh do you want to do it no by all means go ahead um so do you want to explain what a
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big daddy is for those people who haven't watched before uh only in brief uh so background in the game
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oh god there's genetic manipulation in this setting but it's with a limited resource called adam city
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fell and so these big guys protect the little girls who help recycle that material and keep the
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economy of it going they are meant to be boss enemies we are playing on easy mode and abigail is
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trying to defeat this monster man you need to do this i can't do this i'm not doing fine
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yeah so uh i'm good at killing slicers because they're like two hits and you're done uh the big
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daddies i have yet to conquer on my own so i'm also gonna hop over into the comments and see what
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well thank you guys i really appreciate that jacob's got not water but beer and i will be
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drinking water from my water bottle so jacob knows that's how you stay hydrated
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for those of you wondering the person on the side of the camera that you can't see that's kyle
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he works at yaf and he will be waving for you right there and he is running tonight's stream so thank
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you very much to kyle and you did have uh sleep deprived ostrich asked uh did your parents influence
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your political views for both of you do you want to start with that one or shall i uh why don't you
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uh but before that so conceded the game as i said before the bio economy of this setting everyone has
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this genetic manipulation stuff gets superpowers and to add to the creepy atmosphere of this pseudo
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horror game of course the people who recycle that stuff from corpses because of course are uh
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mutated little girls and you have the option of harvesting the material from them or rescuing
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them we will only ever rescue them because hashtag pro-life and then also from a game story
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perspective and even a mechanical perspective is only upside and positive
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i think jc penny we're only the true elite patriots will stop of course
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um so as far as the first question that other question yes and in a good way in the sense that
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my parents were conservative my dad especially um and we talked about politics all of the time
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growing up i literally walked into the world after having living at home having lived at home
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thinking that everyone talked about politics 75 of the time so i definitely had that and then of course
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i when i did leave home and i was faced with you know more contrasting views uh i researched and made
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sure that i understood those views and didn't just take them from my parents i wasn't just kind of
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mimicking what they were saying i wanted to understand what i believed and thank goodness what they
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taught me also stood up to that research so that's my story what about you uh for my household
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growing up my parents have always been i'd say the kind of conservative libertarian not a religious
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household growing up in fact quite secular but a lot of what you call like the bourgeois values yeah
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a lot of the bourgeois values that you associate with like people who've been professionals have
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worked their way up and have that dedication to hard work not a lot of uh you know temptation or
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vices or things like that finding dignity in a career you have your family you have a house you
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have a mortgage and just leave you live that nice life and so that was what i was raised with but there
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was no religious backing under guarding that i'm the first one in my family to take a more religious
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bent uh my parents are extremely understanding of that it's just that coming from the baby boomer
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generation they're a part of that swing away from tradition even if there was a sentimental
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attraction to a lot of like little lifestyle habits surrounding it so yeah i would be a libertarian
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if i only followed in the mode of my parents on my own i came to being conservative
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so yeah you're looking for an invite to the fisheries nuts i say but if in your heads up to the warp master's
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office and find old peach research camera maybe i could manage an invite okay what was that
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uh-oh sorry there's a swear word there but i mean it comes with the territory they know what
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they're in for true enough have fun have a go oh god hit b did i oh god b there you go get her
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did i get her she's so strong why usually i'm good at these ones where'd she go i don't know yeah
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she's throwing uh heated butcher's hooks at you should i move probably where is she right there
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no she's she's thrown away or crawled away as it were that was he he knows that one's too tough for
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me he knows go get the research camera you're gonna be uh an influencer now turn around oh i have to
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find it but you can take a grenade launcher where's that oh right in front of me yeah okay i'll pick
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that up but i don't want it i want my wrench how do i get up here you jump you walk up that fallen
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beam oh you're right yep traipse up it oh there you go yeah i'm glad that conor mcgregor is our spirit
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guide here love it yeah so let's see what we're gonna do should i kill this guy probably
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solid oh god traveler is a yaf patriot and for that we thank you
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okay so be real methodical with it pick every corpse clean we don't let anything go to waste
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here in this game yeah yeah in this economy so i can also pick up this box under this person it's
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shining uh no i think it's already empty yeah okay so can you add what other questions are there
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sure let me see one in particular uh one says what do the two of you make of the new idea of people
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opting out of marriage in light of the statistics on divorce and i'll say that uh you spend time on
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the internet you hear doom and gloom from people about the idea of the american family as far as it
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pertains to them and you know i watched scrubs growing up and one line that stuck with me is
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when uh dr cox says to jd that statistics are meaningless for the individual you will always be
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your most significant little sample size it always gets much more specific so if you have the right
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values you get your head on right you develop yourself where you should and you put yourself in
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position to find someone with those shared values you're gonna be fine you still should be
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pursuing marriage it's the people who are not doing that that set themselves up for failure now
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as a country we can have a conversation about trying to fix that and help people not be set up for
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failure but as an individual everyone else's actions don't affect you here you can still have a happy
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marriage and pursue it and if you're not in a position to do that spend the time self-developed it
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is literally the most important thing in your life well and what i always say is that marriage
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marriage works when both people recognize that love is a choice yeah and i think that's the
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biggest problem in just modern love is the idea that you don't get to choose who you love or that
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you can fall out of love and marriage is about recognizing that you're choosing one another
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every single day even the days where it's hard yeah and it's always worth it at the end so that's
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something jacob and i and something i've always i'm just going to pause for a second something that
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i've always appreciated and and loved about our marriage is that and the reason we knew we would want
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to marry each other was that i knew and trusted that jacob felt the same way that i did about that
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that it was always going to be something that we fought for and it was never even really on the
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table for us that divorce would be enough oh yeah so yeah it's not something that you have to look at
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like oh it's it's going to be easy marriage isn't always easy but it is always worth it
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oh we love it we love virginia i actually never in my life expected to live in virginia um i just
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didn't think that was on the table and then when i met jacob and he was at uva law we uh we lived
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there we went i moved there to be with him in his last year did you take out a big daddy on your own
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yeah i did it there you go and that's why they were so proud of me because i did it on my own
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um and then of course jacob working at yap is like huge it's amazing it's awesome we're so happy
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to be here okay i'm gonna look at my comments while you are you ready
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someone says this is literally the best game ever made it's a pretty good game
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it's a pretty good game where's the multiplayer to destroy your friends and
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audio log somebody to watch once he was just a menace to be convicted and hung but he always
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manages to be where the evidence isn't he's the most dangerous type of hoodlum the kind with vision
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uh do you mind if i ask kyle if people can hear us
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yeah just let us know in the comments if the sound balance is okay with the game
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um people are asking my adril astrological sign oh no no i take a very hard line against this
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we do not give in to the temptations and flattery of pagan star matches i absolutely
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cannot stand zodiological signs it's garbage and it's not worth your time no uh okay they get you
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the pagans a couple people said that they can hear us so that's good someone else had a good
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question not a it's a question i thought you would be interested in answer would you rather live in
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rapture with no rules and regulation or communist russia with no choice oh well let's let's let's ask
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yourselves rapture before the like civil war downfall chicanery or rapture right now where it's uh
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civil war hell pit filled with brainwashed mutants
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shall i run around let me just i was gonna say you should do the hack these scare me
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scare you well not like as in the rest of the game is scary but i'm uh not fast enough to do any of this
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well let's see this pandemic or a world war because this pandemic i would take over a world war
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yeah a spanish flu uh i don't know uh the worst thing is when you get both back to back
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i mean we can't really say because we don't live through a world war nor have we lived through a
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i mean what you think you think spanish flu you think literally like 50 million people dying
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worldwide in a population that was drastically smaller than this right right like i mean we've
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lived through a version of a pandemic in the sense that we've there we've been locked down
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quarantines and like that yeah that's one thing but quarantine with the unbelievable threat of
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death to everyone across the population that rhyme or reason and you know like that movie um
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contagion and what it right that's a very different sense of things than this
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okay so we are gonna get our research camera okay huzzah oh wait oh we couldn't pick up the
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we have too much ammunition yeah we're just so good at it well you know we use a renewal
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resource it's a wrench uh cadence taylor asked abby have you ever thought about dying your hair
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blonde or another color so i've gone many different colors with my hair not unnatural ones um not a fan
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jacob does not like it i don't like it when your hair is wise although i do have highlights
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now he like those nice but what he said to me and it made me laugh was when i got these highlights
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he liked them and he said to me when you get older if you have streaks of gray in your hair you'll look
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so good and i was like okay i mean if my husband thinks i'll look nice with gray hair that's a
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compliment but i've uh i've had close to blonde hair i've had very intense red hair um and i have
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accidentally gone black a couple of times in an effort to get back to brown so i have dyed my hair
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have i ever dyed my hair oh no believe it or not okay you're gonna take it over in a moment yeah
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we're getting a little backstory right now on the exact mechanism of uh genetic rewriting
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so i like this question to both of you and this is on twitch to both
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of you individually what is your number one conservative issue from life to a one religion
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freedom of religion not just freedom of religion but the cultural issue of religiosity in the country
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because it's the value set from which everything else flows you care about life you need a definition
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of what life is you need an idea of the value of it and that is the idea that every life matters in the
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way that we take for granted as a moral impulse that is an abrahamic innovation you look at ancient
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pagan civilizations infanticide i mean literal infanticide several years old allowable ancient
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china even modern china infanticide allowable that kind of a thing religion is really the difference
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maker your second amendment rights the idea of the sovereignty of the individual again it's the
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idea of the individual soul mattering against the impersonal state to me that's a religious matter
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as well so everything else flows from that one thing i know there are atheists who say that
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they have logic and reason enough to get to those values their own way i think they're assuming a lot
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have a lot of sentimental attachment to abrahamic values that they get from the culture but which
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they wouldn't generate on their own they didn't live in a judeo-christian culture so religion religion
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religion for me sorry didn't mean to interrupt you that was important this is what we're here for
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um for me yeah all mine falls under that umbrella but it's pro-life 100 that's my biggest issue
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the thing that i care the most strongly about um and the thing i think is kind of the most clear
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once you understand the science and it's hard to fight with uh and it's sad that people still try to
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may have my phone second responder yeah yeah yeah sorry why did it make its way over we've got two
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he's got twitch on his phone i've got youtube on my phone so i just grabbed his phone so i could look
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at both while i was waiting is that a person did i get it i i think i saw a body fall in the meantime
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you are being shot in the face oh it's okay you think you can get away with this
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ah ah oh that person was about to run away and didn't get out of here
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here's someone else i i think it was the death throes of that person oh so you know feel good
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about yourself well and i just had a cream filled cake so i feel great it's the twinkie defense okay i have
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a question for our followers do you have a sweet tooth or a salty tooth can you say that savory
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a savory tooth which one do you prefer because i i tend to have a sweet tooth i'm a sweet tooth kind
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of person and my favorite dessert that i very rarely have but when i do it makes me so happy
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are uh napoleons which are like layers of phyllo dough interspersed with cream and it's great
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so i want to know from you guys what your what your thing is yours is savory right uh yeah i got top
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shelf film for our camera just oh did we get the camera yeah i missed oh come on i was i was oh come
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okay we've got a lot salty savory someone here says they have a spicy tooth i like it
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well our intrepid fearless kyle and i intend at some point to do a hot sauce challenge so
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yeah so we have been preparing ourselves by getting ever spicier sauces and putting them on
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everything and uh yeah no i look forward to just absolutely shredding my intestinal tract i come from
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a ashkenazic jewish family on long island spice is not in the family culinary vocabulary so uh yeah i
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i have no advantage on my side here i can't besides at all yeah jacob can actually do spice i i i've
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wondered in the past if i'm actually allergic because when i have spice i just the flavor all
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goes away as a photographer how would you rate that shot what what's up jacob look at the latest comment
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and look at the person's name and it's hilarious because this person was made to make these comments
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yeah yeah thank you pasta man what is it pasta man sir on here um quote i think it's close-minded
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to pursue various forms of culinary perfection i think you should look to perfect one path
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yeah awesome oh oh abigail oh gosh yeah well i i drank some water i think maybe that's where the comments
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yeah that'll be maybe next week or rather two weeks from now
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oh i'm gonna go spell up yep see it's spelunking for audio diaries
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oh come on you gotta interrupt the diary to talk about your wife and kid
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you guys might be interested in commenting on yeah
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little uh megan markle interview oh i'm ready yeah
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i have so many thoughts can we let the gentleman continue yes yeah
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the general contractor had me down for the tip well i said i suppose it's the contractor then
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is it if you're surprised you're worried about i'll be picking up the brass so not to worry
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not the most stunning piece of backstory but just refers back to ryan's uh sense of dignity and
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perfectionism and things so the big thing about this level is we're going to learn about the
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criminal enterprises of fontaine who's like the big boogeyman in the city who uh got taken out by
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ryan the guy who founded the place uh but we learn about what a hard guy he was and how ruthless and
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everything like that and learn about how he funded the first research into the genetic manipulation
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here i'm sorry but i'll be late again tonight rosenberg is demanding should we wait for it yeah and then
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continue on yeah i'm trying to build a proper financial market and this idiot keeps going on
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out of this genetic modification but i'll go spend an hour pretending to pay attention to the people as soon as i can
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so regarding megan markle can we just reflect on how this bathroom stall cost five credits to open
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oh yeah that's a thing in the game that you have to pay to use the restroom because everything in the
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game everything in rapture is just a what would you call that a mercenary money making scheme because
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that's the highest sense of self-actualization in the city right although to be fair in uh europe
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in my experience in many places uh you have to pay a euro to use the restroom as an anti-vagrancy
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measure right so you know uh apparently brutally capitalist western europe does the same thing
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it's a good thing that the main character in this game isn't afraid of needles
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oh god i was gonna say we gotta be careful i welcome the challenge they can try
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so i'm gonna go back to this megan markle thing i'm curious who watched the interview i will say
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i didn't actually watch all of it i watched as much as i could but every time i would close out of the
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app it would try and start me all over from the beginning and then i would have to watch the five
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ads all over again so i watched as much of it as i possibly could and i also read cia cbs's or cbn uh
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cnn's um wish me what their um uh summary of it but i've not been a fan of the megan markle
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and prince harry thing from the beginning just because i think it it's disrespectful to the
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tradition and when you marry into a family when you marry a man you're not marrying just him you're not
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marrying it's similar to what i was saying before you're not just marrying for love you're marrying his
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family you're marrying his responsibilities you're marrying his duties and it's your responsibility as
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a wife to support him through those things and megan instead of supporting him through those things
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said let's get out of here let's run away and what was especially telling to me was that prince harry
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said i didn't know that i was feeling these things until megan pointed it out to me he had to get
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woke up is what yeah i was gonna say that is what we like to call being woke and i don't appreciate
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it and of course all of the things that they were saying about their own family and throwing all of
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these people under the bus just because they honestly because they want the fame even though they're saying
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they want their privacy can't respect it can't respect it and i am not a fan um if they had decided
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that they wanted a private life and they had literally gone and lived by themselves and had
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just a quiet life on their own maybe i could understand it but they're living in a huge mansion
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continuously taking interviews and deciding to work in hollywood so these are things nodding his head
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around vigorously he's glad someone's saying it yeah i have a lot of thoughts and feelings about this
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and uh i don't respect it so those are my thoughts on the megan markle thing and i could probably keep
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going on about it but i won't i won't make you suffer through it come on i just need one there we go
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you're so good at this i don't i don't think you've lost like one oh i did just in front of
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you a moment ago but you were busy uh i was going on a diatribe i was busy oh my oh happy couple that's us
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us no this is actually very depressing the backstory to this scene so
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but he was right she was drawing blood out of a corpse by fountain fisheries and then when she was done
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she walked up in hand with one of those awful golden
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very depressing yeah it's really sad so uh so their daughter got turned into one of the little little
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sisters uh the little sisters were little girls kidnapped turn into these creatures that can
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recycle the atom uh and as you can see only vaguely here but husband wife and then there's a bottle of
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pills open and we'll picture a little girl so clearly a pill-based suicide yeah oh we get a power
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up so uh yeah worth no not worth it for you yep for you guys okay what is what does it say what other
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games do y'all have in mind for the series i'm really enjoying it oh yay that makes us so happy
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we're we're having fun playing um but i'm gonna let jacob choose the the next games because i don't
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know anything about games so what would you choose jacob well i you know how to participate and be
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enthusiastic but you're not you're not both feet into the world that you would know of other right the
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only game i would say really quick i just want to say the only game that i really enjoyed playing
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really enjoyed and by playing i mean i chose this the like narrative and jacob played all the fights
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uh was witcher 3. i thought that was awesome yeah we still uh our favorite was the heart of stone of
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the dlc yeah and that theme tune to it we'll still put on spotify and listen to yes in terms of this
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series there are multiple games we're considering we're thinking maybe about bioshock 2 after this
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because and i really like what they did with the villain for the sequel they had it be a collectivist
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so you have this in a way right-wing individualist authoritarian andrew ryan as the villain in this
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game and then the sequel your villain is sophia lamb a psychologist collectivist woman and so just
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really flipping it completely the other way and obviously with a lot of like left-wing dissolving
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the bonds or hierarchy themes in that while still being very like family like manson family kind of
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cultish uh aspect to it it's a very interesting turn it's not as well made in terms of like every
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level dripping with the theme and stuff like that but nonetheless interesting you might look at that
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but red dead redemption 2 would be a lot of fun the game's whole yeah just hide behind it oh god
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oh god get out of here run away run away b run away run away
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do you want to hack this uh no it's just the whole thing who cares sorry continue what you were saying
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someone's throwing grenades at your face oh god why did you tell me to look up so that you could
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i was gonna say shouldn't i run so red dead redemption 2 um yeah there you go a lot of themes robber
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bearing kind of stuff with the leviticus cornwall enemy uh the idea of the government cramping down
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on the individual's romantic life of the outline how sad and bad it is that the way of the outlaw is
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coming to an end except that the main character and his gang are a bunch of horrifying parasites
00:32:29.640
only leave destruction and death in their wake and are incredibly morally myopic selfish disgusting
00:32:35.320
people so the game really undercuts its own dramatic narrative and characterization
00:32:55.640
he woke up the next morning and he found he could move his fingers for the first time in years
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i asked him if he still had that sea slug as luck would have it
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so that's where they're giving us backstory for the little sisters and for
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um the stuff that he's putting in his veins that give him superpowers yeah the slugs one thing
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i'll note about this oh that's interesting so one of the audio logs we came across and i think there's
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more to this effect um mention how this villain character i jump in this ground you're just gonna
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find some extra items maybe uh an audio log you're gonna need a crouch you already have enough this
00:33:38.280
one you already have enough help okay i thought you were just saying that generally there's there's
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there's more oh okay i see i see hypos over there yes but oh there's a whole like underground world
00:33:51.400
that's what i'm telling you oh my gosh we're in the catacombs of bioshock
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yeah it's a three foot tall piece of grading there we go
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something must be done about fountain while i was buying buildings and fish futures he was
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cornering the market on genotypes and nucleotide sequences rapture is transforming before my eyes
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the great chain is pulling away from me perhaps it's time to give it a talk
00:34:20.280
so that's actually very apropos of what i was just about to talk about so i'm gonna put this
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back in your hands okay there you go so uh what's very interesting about this level and actually this
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was made in 2007 or whatever uh it's got a lot of parallels with big tech in its own way so what you
00:34:39.400
just heard was ryan the howard hughes walt disney founder of the city who wanted to be this objectivist
00:34:44.600
free market paradise uh he's pointing out how fontaine who you heard a previous audio log saying
00:34:51.000
that guy seems like a criminal but he can't be connected to evidence he's a very slippery character
00:34:55.160
the fontaine character was patenting all these genetic sequences and cornering the market on
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the genetics research well what that leads to is ryan feeling his control over the city to make sure
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that his vision the hyper libertarian capitalist utopia could be subverted and taken away from him
00:35:13.160
from him he wants this substantive commitment to these libertarian values and he assumes everyone
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else would of course be on the same page there and everyone would pursue their own best benefit
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but fontaine abigail yeah directly to your left oh god what no that's my right your left yeah take
00:35:29.080
the glowy thing oh i want that yeah i just thought that was like a pretty light no somebody asked uh jacob
00:35:37.800
yeah i said hey long island are you a nassau or suffolk lord nasa uh yeah nasa i'm from great neck
00:35:45.640
originally which uh if you have read the great gatsby is less dead but the demos really shifted by the
00:35:54.360
time that i was living there it wasn't really gatsby anymore but you were in the middle of talking yeah
00:36:01.080
so the whole thing is that fontaine the crime ward he corners them i'm sorry i had to pause to take a
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photo oh i think apparently the screen is green on uh my youtube stream tile so yeah not sure if you're
00:36:19.640
getting a green screen on my youtube feel free to hop over to twitch it's twitch.tv
00:36:25.320
slash yak gaming um hopefully we can see why that's happening
00:36:36.520
i would not be surprised someone said what did they say someone said big tech is blocking the stream
00:36:44.120
uh i have been having issues with that lately uh with uh youtube so i would not be entirely surprised
00:36:51.240
there's still one more big daddy somewhere in this level but uh to continue what i was saying
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just uh have a coherent thought so oh my on the on youtube yeah that's not great well twitch represent
00:37:08.120
abigail i might want to work off both accounts now yeah that's what i'm doing and i'm just putting the
00:37:11.880
link to the twitch account in the chat for my um youtube page but finish your thought uh staff just
00:37:18.440
said they refresh their page yeah feel free to refresh your page and uh if not then i've just put the
00:37:29.160
link into the description let you all work this out before i continue because no need for us all to
00:37:37.400
speech over one another okay is it you tell us what you'd like for us to do well i i it's up to you
00:37:53.880
guys it's actually yeah you guys i'm gonna ask you guys tell us in the comments would you like us to
00:38:06.840
shut the stream down briefly and restart it and see if we can get it to uh kind of clear up or you
00:38:13.800
can just head over to twitch and that's totally fine so there is live chat on twitch for those asking
00:38:25.960
uh yep okay so we're gonna have people i think want to just head over to twitch
00:38:30.760
so we'll have people come and join us over there um let's see let me know when i uh go ahead i think
00:38:39.800
i think you're good because i think we're gonna have to youtube must be down for that reason
00:38:48.200
where is the final big daddy little sister pair that i couldn't tell you
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oh i hear the whale moans of a big daddy do you want you can finish you can finish your thought
00:39:05.320
now i'm gonna give people a moment to make their way over and then i'll continue with that okay do
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you have a little sister or no are you just i personally do not have a little sister i am the
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youngest this guy's just on his own i don't need to mess with him um leave both britney and that
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does he have one with him taking a look at some of the comments here
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and yet why are there all these single fathers wandering around i guess they're not even single
00:40:07.240
fathers now they're just bachelors because they don't have children who the big daddy these big
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daddies that don't have a child where are their children that's a fair point
00:40:25.800
and that makes them and that makes him the governor sinking the profits back into bigger and better
00:40:31.080
plasmids building them fontaine poor houses like fontaine recruiting centers
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what we know is both gonna have an army of splicers
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yep we're gonna have ourselves a whole heap of miseries
00:40:50.440
this is making me laugh what i don't think there should be big daddies exclusively i think it should
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uh yeah i mean the point of the big daddies in the game is just to protect the
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little sisters there's not they're not really trying to raise them they're just trying to
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protect them from other you don't think it's an ironic comment i'm just saying it anyways just
00:41:16.200
because i think it's funny so okay i was describing before what's very interesting about it is it shows
00:41:24.280
how the idea of the substantive culture of rapture being this hyper libertarian capitalist society
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it requires that the people with the power to make that no longer the case buy in to the mission of
00:41:39.560
rapture fontaine flim flam man uh basically gang leader criminal all that stuff he just wanted to
00:41:48.360
seize power and oh there we go corner social power within rapture in order to uh just extract wealth
00:41:56.040
and resources from it and become its new dictator and take it whatever vision he wanted probably some
00:42:00.200
kind of kleptocratic corporatist fascist thing just because he's a gang leader wants to be in charge of
00:42:05.880
his own country kind of like any mafia government southern system or something and so he's a direct
00:42:11.400
threat to andrew ryan but the way that he's acquiring power is by outplaying ryan at business
00:42:17.720
that very thing which rapture is built to have no guardrails for and so you have an issue where
00:42:23.960
the very nature of rapture leads to the contradiction of rapture itself being undermined by the actions it
00:42:31.240
and encourages its citizens to do and so in order to preserve rapture is the free market utopia he
00:42:38.280
wants ryan now has to violate that free market by becoming his own government and muscling in on
00:42:44.520
fontaine and trumping up charges and busting his businesses and seizing his assets and so now you
00:42:50.040
have a free market society that's been maintained except it's no longer a free market because ryan has
00:42:55.160
massively intervened except that if you didn't intervene then fontaine would subvert it and so you end up with
00:43:00.840
it being inevitable that someone will be equivalent to your state someone's gonna be making these
00:43:06.920
decisions and so you either intervene enough to preserve a general balance where you have a free
00:43:12.040
enough market with enough guardrails that you actually keep the thing going on or you would
00:43:16.680
all fall into anarchy and so yeah it's just an interesting pointing out that you cannot have
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a society like this without some implicit guardrails made explicit when the time comes and someone's
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gonna actually try and push it and i just i really like that because you know that's the conservative
00:43:33.720
position free markets we want free markets because we believe in the sovereignty of individual people
00:43:38.360
to make choices and contract and all that stuff but we don't believe in some kind of literally moral
00:43:45.080
relativist or moral anarchic society in which anything can be sold to anyone at any time without any
00:43:51.880
guardrails of any form there's moral commitments that we make into finding what can be sold what
00:43:57.000
can be contracted for because if you don't you end up with this situation where you enable war
00:44:02.360
wardwardism or things falling apart or just no actual glue putting it all together
00:44:09.400
yeah just a key point is that we're not economically illiterate because a big annoying thing especially when
00:44:14.760
you get to populism on the left or right is that people will want things like raising the wages of
00:44:20.280
americans wanting people to be wealthier which we want too but a minimum wage just will literally
00:44:25.880
not achieve that it's a different thing from i don't believe in your method morally i think it's
00:44:32.200
wrong it violates my values sure we can't have debates about that there's a big difference between
00:44:36.760
what we think you should choose to do versus what will actually achieve your goal a minimum wage will
00:44:42.040
not achieve your goal itself that is the starting point of disagreement so people just uh virtue signaling
00:44:47.960
their intention what you disagree with the minimum wage because you don't want americans to be
00:44:51.640
richer no i want americans to be richer so i don't like a minimum wage let's do that practically
00:44:57.000
it's so annoying when people do the sleight of hand with this and just say oh my intentions with
00:45:01.800
everything right it reminds me of stuff with feminism you believe in equal rights for women right yes so
00:45:08.200
then you must be a feminist okay but it also comes with this this this and this all these
00:45:12.600
something commitments to what equally means and it's like that doesn't really yeah then i don't
00:45:17.960
agree to those things may have my phone so uh yes you may thank you and we're gonna have to probably
00:45:22.600
share because um the yeah the youtube stream is done
00:45:31.640
i i don't know why but it bothers me when i can't pick up something because i have too much of it because i know
00:45:37.800
that soon enough i won't have too much of it and i'm like i don't like this it's okay bag lady
00:45:57.880
oh god we have some dropped frames it's not good are we how are we doing like are we wrapping up
00:46:03.720
this level uh yeah we can be so abigail you're gonna want to jump how do i do that why oh there
00:46:11.960
you go okay yeah and we're gonna go uh defeat the boss of this level and uh get on our way
00:46:19.880
so yeah but if things are like if we shouldn't continue because the internet's not doing great
00:46:25.560
then we can stop didn't get himself that you've got something from me and my crew or are you just
00:46:32.600
looking to get criticized you said here a spell i needs to set on some coffee maybe puts on silverware
00:46:44.840
okay so i think we might need to call it because the internet's not doing its best um but we will
00:46:52.680
definitely resume next time yeah so uh let me yeah let's let atlas finish the statements okay so um
00:47:14.120
everyone has to say their piece so just stop because we should probably like just end it here
00:47:24.760
save so um yeah we're about to do a very mild boss fight um but why don't we and i'm gonna switch back
00:47:33.480
to you guys yeah perfect and we'll answer let's look through the stream see if there's some questions we
00:47:38.520
can answer before we we sign off yeah the stream is laggy so we are gonna not participate in the taxi
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driver's fallacy when times aren't good don't continue when they are good keep on rolling right yeah
00:48:11.400
i did see something from before asking how we can uh justify playing and displaying the game despite
00:48:17.480
violent content and uh as we were discussing last time violence has never scandalized uh me coming
00:48:24.920
from my background and i think in this case and it definitely scandalized me yeah but but the violence
00:48:30.520
is a means to an end for getting an artistic point across and there's a really big difference between
00:48:35.400
that which delights in the violence for its own sake and from a very realistic point of view of like
00:48:40.360
you're focusing on actual pain caused to people rather than like the action movie style of it where it's
00:48:46.280
so bombastic so removed from anything real that it's just it's not even something resembling real
00:48:52.360
world violence anymore it's just something formulaic for a genre of telling a hero story yeah well for me and
00:48:58.360
i think it more has to do with storytelling getting across a point and it would be
00:49:06.040
it would be a shame to not play to not play this game for that reason when there is a point of us
00:49:12.040
playing it yeah and uh i recognize that it is that for some people it can be overwhelming so that's not
00:49:18.600
to say that it can't be overwhelming definitely took me some getting used to and also uh maybe the last
00:49:25.080
question that we take for this session uh from world traveler what is the craziest pro choice argument
00:49:30.680
you've heard oh man there are so many but anytime there's an argument of convenience of just well it
00:49:42.360
doesn't fit into my life's plan right now that to me is a crazy argument to kill someone um and that's
00:49:51.880
not to say that pregnancy is easy it's not but it means that it doesn't necessarily give you an excuse
00:49:59.240
to end the life of your own child so that to me is a crazy argument for me it's one of the most
00:50:07.320
everyday of the arguments which is well you know what are you going to do about the quality of life
00:50:12.280
of a child born into a poor family where they're not wanted where criminality is more likely to result
00:50:17.480
and it's think about what that's saying it's saying that you from a third party perspective
00:50:23.000
can decide whether or not someone else's life is worth living and you are heavily tilted towards
00:50:28.920
thinking no they better not live better for them to be dead than alive because they'd be
00:50:33.880
poorer than you would like or possibly engage in criminal activity again think about that so do you
00:50:40.760
think that you should mercy kill the poor of any nation ever anyone even in your own country do you
00:50:46.280
think that you should kill people in prisons criminality of all stripes because well it's
00:50:51.080
a social failure so better for them not to be alive than to be alive these are arguments that the very
00:50:57.160
self-same left that is pro-joice would absolutely find abominable you don't care enough about the poor
00:51:03.160
so you should help them we should have more empathy for criminals and social rehabilitation things like
00:51:07.880
that don't just label them as a criminal forever find the human in there except if they're in the womb
00:51:13.880
and they're only potentially going to have a life of poverty that this third party thinks is not
00:51:18.600
worth living at all or that a third party might think could possibly result in them being a criminal
00:51:23.320
of some strength in that case preemptively kill them but also abolish the death penalty for actual
00:51:27.880
criminals and also only focus on helping the poor who are already here it's just it does not compute to me
00:51:33.560
well and then for me just this will be the last thing i say because the science as i mentioned earlier in
00:51:40.840
this stream the idea of trying to choose when life begins when so much happens and develops so soon and
00:51:50.760
early is insane to me because you know a baby has a heartbeat at 22 days so try which is most women
00:52:00.600
barely know they're pregnant at that point or probably don't even know depending on you know if you're
00:52:05.800
trying or not so that kind of thing is trying to determine when a baby's life begins based on when
00:52:13.080
you decide they're human enough that's just that's just a crazy argument to me in it in and of itself
00:52:19.560
also which human being was not a zygote which human being was not passing through that stage
00:52:27.640
when does humanity start if not that point it is the life cycle every one of us was
00:52:32.200
that so that is as human as human can be because it's the very starting stage it's like saying a
00:52:38.120
tree has never been a seed and i remember seeds aren't plants no i'm sorry it's only once they've
00:52:42.840
sprouted no that is the stage i remember we were at the aquarium last year and we were looking at the
00:52:50.680
life cycle of jellyfish and you said to me like look at how they draw the life cycle it starts with the
00:52:57.480
zygote yeah that they'll call it a life cycle of an animal or of a sea creature when it's a zygote but
00:53:06.200
for humans they won't they won't say it because they don't want to they don't want to have to commit
00:53:11.240
to that so well on that cheery note uh we're going to sign off for this week and we thank you very much
00:53:17.080
for tuning in yeah thank you guys so much two weeks from now yeah and make sure to keep asking
00:53:22.040
us those questions because we love interacting with you all so very much guys next time