00:05:29.560But don't you think you kind of, like, also, like, you were poaching so many women daily, and, like, you were in some way kind of promoting that?
00:05:38.720Well, no, because it's incentivized, right?
00:05:40.700If I don't personally do that, it's still going to continue throughout the society.
00:07:01.480So, kind of, that needs to stop before, you know, we have a discussion about what I'm doing and the habits of men, of people, you know, on my side of the aisle.
00:07:23.260So, Instagram kind of globalized dating.
00:07:26.000So, you think about it, the fact that before, you know, Instagram came about in about 2013, the only people you're competing with to find a girlfriend are in your immediate proximity, right?
00:07:37.280Maybe in your 20-mile radius, local town, because you're meeting at local bars, local events, whatever.
00:07:44.320But now, with the conception of Instagram, you're competing against this globalized collection of men because it's blasted out through the Explorer page.
00:07:56.220People are flying out, girls all the time.
00:07:58.080Just so far over the line, so black-pilled and so hypergamous to the point where even myself, all the time, I'm getting DMs from, you know, your average small-town girl with a thousand followers from bumfuck Nebraska, right?
00:08:14.460And the other people in that immediate town aren't going to be able to compete on a financial level.
00:08:28.940And the burden shouldn't be placed on myself to say, oh, well, you know, you choose to engage.
00:08:34.240You choose to have sex with that girl.
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00:09:53.920Just like sexual degeneracy and hypergamy.
00:09:56.740Just like the bottom 80% of women getting with the top 20% of men, essentially.
00:10:01.820It's sort of like a narrative that's been idolized with the sexual revolution, with modern media, OnlyFans, pornography.
00:10:11.420And what's the solution, in your opinion?
00:10:13.200Well, the solution would be more of, like, a monogamous approach, in my opinion.
00:10:23.380Or, but you really think about it, there's kind of nothing that you could immediately do.
00:10:29.220There's no piece of legislation that you could put into place that kind of fixes any behavior because it would have to essentially eradicate all of feminist progress for the past century, right?
00:10:42.800So you would have to undo 100 years of, you know, political revolution.
00:11:26.620Well, from what I've seen online, I see things that are clipped out of context.
00:11:32.340I see things that people want to push, you know, narratives and troll.
00:11:36.760So I don't really think that's an accurate perspective and I don't think that's something I should base my view of your relationship off of.
00:11:45.100I think that would be hugely irresponsible because I've gone through the exact same thing.
00:11:49.460And I know how the clipping community works and all of that.
00:11:52.880So, you know, I think that there's been a lot of virality surrounding sort of maybe some of, like, the jokes that you've made about, like, you know, potential divorce and, like, prenup stuff.
00:12:12.420So I don't really know, like, too much about that.
00:12:15.380Like, I guess you decided not to go that route.
00:12:20.420And I think in a lot of cases, like, that makes sense.
00:12:24.560That's essentially, and that's a take I don't think a lot of people will expect.
00:12:28.600It's essentially, like, you know, preparing for the worst if you decide to go that route in a relationship.
00:12:36.020So I don't like it from that perspective that it's just, like, a way out or sort of a way to cover your losses there.
00:12:44.160I don't think that's a good mentality to go into things with.
00:12:46.680But on the other hand, you know, it's just about, like, probability and what's kind of, you know, likely and what's predictable.
00:12:56.880The fact of the matter is, you know, getting sued for divorce can wreck people, absolutely wreck people.
00:13:04.280So it is a way to sort of, like, protect yourself a little bit.
00:13:09.460But, no, I think if you've got that contract in place, it certainly can, you know, the prenup arrangement, it kind of, like, puts a little bit of a dark aura on the relationship, I would say.
00:13:24.460I think it signals to my wife that I don't trust her, and I do.
00:13:29.900And beyond that, the internet knows I've been transparent about my addiction, and my wife has been very forgiving and willing to work with me on that.
00:13:39.180And I think, like, I owe her a lot, you know.
00:13:43.380I don't feel like it's right to make a contract before we even gave our marriage a try, saying that, well, when we get divorced, as if I'm saying we're going to get divorced in the future.
00:13:56.220I think marriage is supposed to be, like, a lifelong journey, not, like, there shouldn't be an expiration date, right?
00:14:02.480That, you know, oh, well, I'm already thinking that we're going to lose, we're going to fail, and this is what you should get.
00:14:10.460You know, it just doesn't feel right to me.
00:14:12.220Yeah, I mean, the thing that I do like about prenuptial arrangements is it sort of ensures a little bit more, you know, adhesion to, you know, whatever rules you sort of put forwards in the relationship, right?
00:14:30.640So if things, you know, that your wife are doing are something that you want to put to an end, if there's no, or if there's a prenup in place and you're threatening divorce, she might be a little bit more inclined, you know, to sort of act right and act in a good fashion that's going to respect you.
00:14:50.800So making sure, you know, you're maintaining that level of respect throughout the entire relationship and that there's no, there's nothing really that's going to be there for her if she decides to leave sort of puts that dependency there.
00:15:05.240But I also think, like, people assume, like, oh, if somebody puts a prenup, she doesn't mean the woman gets nothing, whatever you put, you know, like, I think that's not fair either,
00:15:17.580especially if she, for example, had a job before and she decided to do her job to be a mom, to be a housewife, whatever, you know, like, she decided to do something because she was supporting her man throughout, you know, she left her career and she supported her man, whatever his job is, his, you know, career is, and she shouldn't be left without anything.
00:15:37.160I don't think it's right for women just to take 50% of, like, a hardworking, whatever that man created, you know.
00:15:45.020I also, like, whatever, like, prenatural agreement is, like, you can put, like, oh, at the end of marriage, I want this, you know, like, I want to give her this, you know, so I think there's a lot of, like, misconception about prenup that's just because there's a prenup that you should get nothing, you know, definitely.
00:16:03.320Right. Yeah, I mean, there's certainly a lot that goes into it, but you guys also have to know the kind of man that you're getting into a relationship with.
00:16:13.660If you think that, you know, everything goes to shit and, you know, maybe the marriage and the relationship doesn't work out, if that man's just going to kind of leave you high and dry on the street with nothing, even if there is no prenup, maybe that's not the man to go into a marriage with.
00:16:29.240So I don't really think that that has to be enforced by the government.
00:16:32.680I think just finding someone who's, you know, got the right morals and that, you know, even if things are at their worst point, is still going to have your back in some way, that's what it really comes down to.
00:16:44.600So I would personally do a prenup if I were to ever have, like, some sort of a contract marriage, but even that as a concept doesn't really make sense to me at all because involving the government in that kind of manner, it's like, what do you really gain from getting married?
00:17:04.060It's like, what, now you guys can't testify against each other, but what else besides that?
00:17:09.700There's really not a whole lot to gain by involving the state in your affairs.
00:17:26.160So it just, well, yeah, it just makes it a fucking pain in the ass to get out of, like, a bad situation or a bad relationship.
00:17:33.220But also, if you want to have kids, I would like them to have, you know, like, married parents, which is, like, traditionally, I feel like it's better, you know, like, especially where I come from, that's, like, a big thing, you know?
00:17:42.880Like, I'm from Serbia, so for us, like, that's really important.
00:17:46.340Like, if I was to have a child outside of marriage, I feel like that'd be such a big disappointment for my family, you know, for my father.
00:17:54.020It's almost be like I'll bring shame to my family name, you know?
00:18:29.760But, you know, that being said, I think there's a lot of context that maybe people in the chat don't understand about, you know, both having a high income and a high status going into a marriage.
00:18:41.760It is a lot different, just the way that relationships operate when you do social media, when you have a lot of money.
00:18:49.280It's not something that the average person can understand, and a lot of things about finances are different.
00:18:54.980You guys are in a very difficult position with how public everything is on the Internet.
00:18:59.340So when you sort of put everything on blast and put everything out there, and people are just poking and attacking you at every angle, it probably looks a lot worse than it is, right?
00:19:11.000You do that to anyone's relationship, and you put them under that heavy of a microscope and under that much scrutiny, it's going to, you know, have the same result across the board.
00:19:21.200But that's funny, like, because people think they know anything about our relationship, but they don't know, like, besides, like, the prenup thing, they don't know anything about us, you know what I'm saying?
00:19:30.640So it's just, like, people think they know, and, like, they created this, like, perception of, like, who I am based on, like, you know, clips and whatever it's clipped and whatever it's written.
00:19:44.220Yeah, and that's why, you know, I said on my stream even before you guys got to Miami, I was like, I don't really think that's fair.
00:19:51.220I think people have treated you guys with a whole lot of disrespect, and, you know, for people to just see clips and then sort of believe whatever narrative is pushed out there by those clipping accounts is a little bit silly.
00:20:06.280So, you know, I kind of wanted to ask some questions, inquire a little bit, maybe react to some clips that I've seen with you guys so that we can look at some context.
00:20:18.040So I'll go through Discord and kind of see what maybe they want us to take a look at, because there's been some huge virality.
00:20:42.520So, like, he was saying this stuff to her.
00:20:44.520Yeah, he was just, like, joking for hours the whole time, and then, yeah, like, he was, like, extending an arm towards me, and I don't even know what he was trying to do, and then I was, like, I don't know, he tried to hug her, I was, like, don't touch me.
00:20:57.060I was just pissed off the whole night of him just, like, making comments, and then Larry just smacked him.
00:21:15.280And Rampage was joking, you know, like, he wasn't, like, like, Dean.
00:21:18.880Dean was, like, trying on purpose to just, like, dig and dig and provoke the whole night, so...
00:21:23.600Yeah, no, and I don't understand, like, the whole rage bait, like, going for viral clips.
00:21:29.600You know, people will just be straight-up dickheads for, you know, a 30-second clip that gets a couple thousand likes on the internet, but, like, ruin all these streaming relationships and kind of, like, make themselves look like a clown.
00:21:43.980So it's just bad PR in general, so it doesn't even make sense from that perspective.
00:21:49.260I mean, they made up, you know, apologized in his own way, even though he's still joking.
00:21:53.960I think that's just, like, his personality, but it just, you know, I feel like next time we see him in person, it's going to be nicer.
00:22:09.720Yeah, well, I mean, I would say that the one thing that I've seen in the clips that's been, like, a little bit concerning was – we're just going to let him add the other mic real quick.
00:22:49.820It's only my second time, and every time we came here, it's been, like, work, so I don't really get to – we didn't get to explore much, but I do like the vibe.
00:23:10.440So – but, yeah, like I was saying, the one, like, somewhat concerning thing would be, like, some of the jokes about, you know, divorcing and taking half the finances.
00:23:22.240It's humor and stuff like that, but sometimes it could be, like, a bad reflection on his brand and, like, his PR.
00:23:28.780I never made that joke except that night you said, oh, like, if you – if – what did you say?
00:23:35.760Something about him for content, like, raising up the girls, and I was like, as a joke, like, if you do that, I'll take 50%, but that's the only time I ever joked about it, just because, you know.
00:24:15.040Because that's ultimately, like, what I would be looking for in a relationship of my own would be, like, what is going to be a good reflection on my brand, right?
00:24:24.280So if a girl that I'm with is going to make, you know, kind of jokes that paint me in a bad picture or sort of, like, humiliate me in any way, that's sort of, like, the opposite.
00:24:38.420That kind of just diminishes the value of, like, a relationship or a girlfriend in a way.
00:25:20.220Because a lot of the time, you know, having a really strong upbringing and, you know, dual parent household,
00:25:29.660these are the type of environments that are needed to make a good person, essentially,
00:25:34.660or someone who's going to be a winner, right?
00:25:38.320And, you know, making sure that my daughter's, you know, future partner was, you know, getting access to someone like that would certainly be important.
00:25:47.760Obviously, someone with, you know, good health indicators, someone who abstains from drugs.
00:25:56.720You know, I can't sit here and expect, like, a top percentile male in terms of income, in terms of status, in terms of money that a woman would ultimately want to be with to not cheat on, you know, my daughter.
00:26:10.400So, that's kind of what you're getting, right?
00:26:12.800So, if you want the top of the top guys in the society that we live in, with how hypergamous it is, the guy's going to cheat, right?
00:26:38.040You know, if you want the top of the top, or you're going to have to make compromises on things like looks, like things like income, if you want someone who's going to just be fully monogamous and loyal to you.
00:26:51.480Yeah, I'll compromise the looks for that, for sure.
00:26:55.300I'll take an ugly guy that does not cheat, obviously, with financial security.
00:27:03.100Over, like, it has to be, like, extremely good-looking guy and cheat on me.
00:27:08.040And I think more girl would, like, choose, like, a less good-looking guy.
00:27:16.700Just from the context that you said that in, like, that can be taken as, like, you saying that about Larry.
00:27:42.620So, when you say financially secure man, is that middle to upper middle class?
00:27:47.920And then do you think that if a man is middle to upper middle class compared to someone in the top percentile, that they cheat less?
00:27:55.360Because you were saying, like, okay, if your daughter were to pursue a man that is, like, in the top percentile with wealth status versus someone that's, like, middle to upper middle class that is, say, a low six-figure earner, still living comfortable but not lavish and doesn't have abundance, that they would cheat less than the person that.
00:28:17.200No, I think the guys who are broke, they have nothing but time but to cheat after women, and they just have more opportunity to cheat.
00:28:24.440Because they're not chasing, like, for them, just, like, any girl, like, they don't, it doesn't matter, they don't have any standards, they would just do it, you know?
00:28:31.980So, I feel like, with men who are really, like, top one percent, obviously, they do cheat, but I feel like they just have a lot less time to be entertaining all these women and be chasing after women because they're so preoccupied with work.
00:28:44.120I mean, that's a little bit ridiculous.
00:28:47.180It's, like, maybe they're fucking, like, the street hoes, you know, from their local town or whatever.
00:28:54.440But it's not like they're getting with any women of value.
00:28:58.240You know, when you're broke in this day and age, you're...
00:29:01.300And if you're a woman of value, would you want to be with a married man?
00:29:53.160So men cheating is kind of just what's to be expected.
00:29:58.480And the more they improve in their sexual market value, the more options are going to be available, the more times that they're going to cheat, right?
00:30:08.880I mean, from my experience, the brokies cheat just as much as the ones that have abundance.
00:30:15.780But that's really not just the case at all.
00:30:20.380I mean, maybe if the competition levels are super low, you know, and it's super trashy, like, hoses who are essentially just not smart enough to be hypergamous, right?
00:30:36.800They're not realizing that their sexual value, that they could kind of just be hypergamous and essentially just DM people on Instagram and catch flights and all this shit.
00:31:40.400I think the more good looking person is, the less likely they're to cheat because they're used to the attention.
00:31:47.040You know, it's the ones who are less good looking, they're like any attention for that, oh my God, they're losing their mind, they want to entertain you.
00:31:55.300But when you're good looking, you're just used to getting all these women, so I feel like, or men, so it's like, I feel like it's less distraction because it's not so uncommon for you.
00:32:19.720So, when you enter a relationship, do you feel like you would be tempted to cheat?
00:32:23.440I feel like now you've experienced so many different women and you know you can have that potential whenever you want it.
00:32:28.480Would it be worth the high, like, going behind your partner's back and cheating at this point after experiencing, like, a single life, having whatever flavor you want, and having an abundance?
00:32:38.960I wouldn't really be behind anyone's back.
00:32:47.740So, yeah, no, I certainly understand that perspective that there's no reason to ruin a good thing or, you know, you just simply wouldn't want to put the time in to doing these sort of things.
00:33:02.000And that's good, and that's well, and that's what I hope for.
00:33:06.320I hope that's the case, and I hope there's relationships out there that exist, but, you know, like I said, men have instincts.
00:33:16.440They have a lot of biological urges, and this is just what we're seeing, right?
00:33:22.180I'm not saying it's right, or I'm not saying it's to be encouraged.
00:33:25.400I'm just saying it's what's happening, right?
00:33:27.120So I would inform my potential or my hypothetical daughter in this situation that if you want these top of the top guys, this is sort of what you have to put up with, and that's okay, right?
00:33:39.660So I think it's still better for any women's case that they be in a relationship that provides them with some sort of security, whether it be financial or physical, someone who loves them, you know, and someone who's good-looking, good genetics for them.
00:33:57.060And if they step out and have sex with a girl, you know, on a business trip or whatever, then just fucking deal with it, right?
00:34:51.680But I've seen him before at the gym, because we both lived in Dubai, so I've seen him a couple of times at the gym.
00:34:58.120I was like, and I was with my best friend, I was like, oh, he's good looking, he looks better in person.
00:35:03.220And then, he was at that time in a relationship, and then after he broke up, my friend, or her boyfriend comes, and he's like, oh, Larry, by the way, broke up with that girl.
00:35:10.220And my friend started jokingly, oh, he's now shameless, and then, like, literally, like, 10 days after that, he DMed me, just, like, broke up with me, so.
00:35:27.940So, you know, you guys were in close proximity to each other, but in a lot of cases, maybe she would have seen her YouTube video, been in, you know, different countries.
00:35:37.480She could have even been in the United States, and that connection still could have happened.
00:35:41.740So, it's quite crazy how just the entire game has changed, really.
00:35:50.840So, that's why I think, like, going super hard on looks maxing and self-improvement just kind of makes so much logical sense in this day and age more than ever, right?
00:36:02.400It's not the world that your parents grew up in.
00:36:06.620So, when these boomers and these millennials see my clips from podcasts talking about looks max, talking about these super, like, over-the-line things,
00:36:16.800they're like, oh, my God, this is so silly, this is so ridiculous.
00:36:20.480It's like the world has changed, and you have to change with it.
00:36:23.840So, I think people are a little more receptive to what I'm talking about after I've been able to get on more podcasts and sort of speak with a little bit of authority that I'm not just, like, on here trolling.
00:36:36.220Like, I do serious, you know, content about dating and this kind of stuff.
01:18:18.740Yeah, like, you know how many men are in jail because they've been wrongfully convicted of, like, rape, of essay when they have not done it because of a bitter woman like this girl is?
01:18:48.440I know she used to train in my gym and I'll never forget, she was at that time with Larry.
01:18:52.500We had the same coach, mobility coach, and he was stretching her out and she was making sexual noises where the whole gym was looking at her.
01:18:59.940She's just open like that, like, no shade to her, you know, but, like, just stop, stop.
01:19:07.500Like, I don't want to, like, you know, come on social media and, like, you know, call out her mom and, like, post, like, pictures of her mom on Twitter when she's posting.
01:19:16.260I'm not, I don't want to do that, like, I'm just telling her, leave us alone, like, we are not calling her out, we're not talking about her.
01:19:22.140I just don't understand why is this victim mentality coming, like, move on, been five years, leave us alone, we are not talking about you.
01:19:54.220So, she just is selectively trying to humiliate him because it's relevant now.
01:20:00.740You know, all the views are there, and, you know, her pushing this false narrative that, you know, there's something going on between Larry and herself, that's just good for business.
01:20:34.440And that's, you know, very understandable, but I just think people, like, want to troll and do all that kind of shit.
01:20:41.820That's fine, we can take it, but, like, it's just, like, this bullshit, like, needs to stop, you know, like, her trying to be victim, like, let's be real.
01:20:49.880She's not a victim, she always wanted to do this shit, like, you would stop doing something you've been groomed into five years after it happened, right?
01:22:43.760So, when I say, like, oh, he's fine, like, I meant he's, like, a nice guy, he's okay, like, that's what we would say, like, my language, he's a good guy, like, you know.
01:22:51.300Yeah, um, well, other thing people find, oh, you know, what I said, I'm not attracted to him, well, you shouldn't say anything about anybody attracted to him, but, like, if you're in a marriage, you can acknowledge somebody looks good, like, I can say, oh, this guy is, like, oh, he looks good, objectively, doesn't mean I want him or I'm attracted to him, you know?
01:23:07.880Yeah, but the thing is, um, you know, if you are to talk to someone who's super logical, who's not, um, an internet troll, and, you know, we actually had a long conversation and broke it down, like, yeah, you know, we could be, like, okay, like, that makes reasonable sense, right?
01:23:34.460But the thing is, you should know the, the culture of the internet is this stuff is just kind of gonna give him a poor look, and, you know, that's just not something that you wanna be doing, so even if, you know, true that you could be attracted to someone and, you know, not necessarily have any sexual desire there, I just think it would be better to have, have said no and just kind of...
01:23:59.300Oh, for sure, but also, like, I'm not media trained, like, I was not, never, like, spoke on social media.
01:24:04.460It is, like, my first, that was, like, my first day ever talking on the internet, you know what I'm saying?
01:24:09.540So, there is also, like, lack of, um, not, not lack, but it's just, like, lack of understanding what I'm getting myself into and, like, how I communicate and just, just the way I talk, I'm, like, extremely blunt person, you know, and people do not understand that, people who do not know me, so they think, oh, she's just, like, talking so much and, like, just doesn't have any filter, you know?
01:24:30.520So, it's just, like, I guess it's just, like, my lack of understanding, like, the, the, the...
01:24:35.500Yeah, it's deeper than that, though. It's, it's a lot deeper than just media training because this is something that could be applicable to, say, you were out at dinner with, with friends.
01:24:44.620And, um, sort of, like, the thing that I'm talking about with framing and these prenuptial arrangements, um, the reason it's so important is there should be so much fear of disrespecting and upsetting him from, from you, that this kind of stuff never happens.
01:25:08.700Of course, but I know my husband, you know, we've been together for so long, so I know how can I, I can talk to him and if I, I know he did not take that any other way than the way I said it and the way I meant, you know?
01:25:18.960So, I went from that, like, okay, I know he knows what I mean, but not understanding the internet doesn't know what I mean.
01:25:25.300But, simply what I'm saying is, you know, the relationship should be framed in a way that you're so worried of, of messing this thing up, um, and so worried, uh, for losing him that you are thinking, you know, twice, three times before you do or say anything that could potentially compromise that.
01:25:44.460But that's not our dynamic, you know? You know, like, I, I, I'm so...
01:25:48.280Well, that means that you just don't value him as much as you should.
01:25:51.440Of course, I value my man. Of course, I value, but I also know that he gives me a freedom to tell him how I feel about certain things, you know?
01:25:57.820That's one thing, my favorite things about Larry is, like, he's the least judgmental person.
01:26:01.600He lets me be me, let me talk the way I talk.
01:26:50.720That's, in terms of how sacred a relationship is meant to be, like, there are certain things to not really be joked around about.
01:27:01.640Like, you know, if, for example, a girl I was with joked and said that she was, like, attracted to one of my friends or something like that.
01:27:12.020Like, that's an immediate, like, like, you know, it's, it's...
01:28:41.540And it's not like my friend that we're, like, hanging out every, like, every day.
01:28:45.040Like, I see him, I haven't seen him two years in person, you know, like, but I will see him occasionally in Dubai, like, once every six months because he lived in Abu Dhabi.
01:28:52.780But he's been, like, like, like my best friend for, for 10 years now.
01:28:56.760But the thing is, if you were to present that opportunity to these guy friends, in 99.99% of the cases, they're going to choose to engage in sexual relations with you.
01:29:14.860But if he never, there was never an attempt, there was never, ever a situation...
01:29:18.080It's because you never gave him the opportunity, so...
01:29:19.860Well, still, that's what counts to me, but we are so, like, polar opposites of, like, each other types as well.
01:29:25.980Maybe, like, I don't, I don't, I can't even imagine that anything like that could ever happen between us, but it's just, like...
01:29:32.780Well, that's, you know, maybe you can't imagine that, and I believe you, because men and women are different, but that's not what he's sitting there thinking.
01:29:40.800He's thinking, oh, maybe one day, maybe if I'm really nice, and, you know, this relationship...
01:29:47.480That's on his mind, but that's, that's not your fault.
01:29:50.180That's not a problem of you, necessarily, but you've got to know men.
01:29:55.860You've got to know the guy, and, and that's all, that's going to be every single guy you're ever friends with.
01:30:00.380But I feel like that's, you're so deep into our friendship that even if that was ever, like, a fleeting thought, like, that would have happened, like, maybe he had that, like, 10 years ago.
01:30:08.400It just happened so, it just happened so much, like, he even, like, helped us out while we were...
01:30:14.580So there was something, you're saying if it were to happen, it would have happened.
01:30:17.920No, I'm saying even if I, if that was ever a fleeting thought for him, where he would, like, oh, there was ever a window opportunity, where he was like, oh, I can swoop in.
01:30:25.200Like, that would, that would have been gone a decade ago.
01:30:27.720There was, I never felt ever, like, an ounce of, of him trying at me in any way other than, like, purely friendship, like, pure friend, like, he always treated me like a sister.
01:30:40.200But that is, to be fair, a lot of people's in, is the, the whole friendship card, playing that role, you know, being that supportive.
01:30:48.080But we kind of, like, he was a, he was a friend of, like, my best friends, of my best friends.
01:30:52.360He's a guy, really, who doesn't have game at the end of the day.
01:30:54.880He has, actually, he has a lot of game, and, like, he, he always, like, used to, like, he, he was kind of, like, with one of my best friends.
01:31:02.980But there was just never anything, it's just, I don't know, he's just my best friend, and I never noticed anything inappropriate for him.
01:31:08.540And Larry feels very comfortable with him, and, like, he helped us out now while we were in Russia.
01:31:12.640Like, he's just a good guy, and, like, he knows, like, I told him straight away about him, and I introduced him where I made him feel comfortable around him, about him.
01:31:20.580And what I was saying here, like, somebody's asking me, oh, I don't know, somebody asked us in chat, can Larry have girlfriends, because I said I have a guy friend.
01:31:30.400I was like, no, because he doesn't, never had a girlfriend before, and why would he have one while in a marriage with me, all of a sudden, like, I'm not going to create now a best friend where, you know, like, a guy best friend while I'm married.
01:31:42.420This was just, like, way before him, so now he never had a girlfriend before me, why would he, all of a sudden, have it while in marriage with me?
01:31:51.580Well, you know, I don't think, you know, it's a good idea for Larry to just go out and inorganically get a girlfriend, but if something that made sense sort of came about, would you be opposed to that?
01:32:05.560Well, it depends on the situation, like, for example, our videographer...
01:32:08.560Like, it's just timing for you that you already had a guy that you're friends with, but maybe there's some sort of relationship that could form for him after the fact that you're already married, and so...
01:32:18.760Well, it depends, like, it's just, there's so many different scenarios...
01:32:23.140You just, overall, you don't like him having any female friends.
01:32:27.860No, not in the sense of, like, oh, they're chatting on the phone, they're, like, trying to see each other, like, you know, go for a coffee, for a lunch, like, why?
01:32:51.080I don't agree with you, because it's not like I created now a guy friend all of a sudden, now a marriage, and I'm trying to see him, like, outside of, like, our, you know, like, trying to go on lunch.
01:33:00.820Like, I just met, like, I created a friend in America now that I moved here, and all of a sudden, like, oh, yeah, let me go with this person for lunch.
01:33:07.720I just, like, became friends with him, you know what I'm saying?
01:33:10.020This was, happened, like, a decade ago, like, 10 years ago.
01:33:14.240I haven't made any new guy friend since I've been with Larry, you know, or even before Larry, this friend has been my friend for 10 years.
01:33:22.540Does that, like, make sense to you at all?
01:33:26.860Yeah, she's been friends of this person, she's been friends with this person for over a decade, and he was well before my time.
01:33:34.940He did actually help us out when I was in Russia, and I didn't detect any sort of romance between the two of them.
01:33:45.080Yeah, I can always open chat with him, there was never, even...
01:33:48.280But listen, like, I'm just so secure in our relationship that I trust her, and when she tells me, look, like, it's always been platonic, and I take her word for it, and that's that.
01:33:58.360Now, would it be fair for me to say, hey, well, you've known this person for, like, 10 years, you can't talk to him anymore because I just don't want you to?
01:34:05.120Like, I don't, because if it was really bothering me, I would, but it just doesn't.
01:34:09.020Like, they, he's not local, like, he lives across the country, like, they're not seeing each other all the time, they're hardly ever interacting.
01:34:15.140I mean, how often do you even speak to him on the phone, if ever?
01:34:17.820You know, it's, like, not something...
01:34:18.960I mean, we do speak, you know, but it's, like, it was never anything, if you ever was to go through a chat, there was never anything I would hide from you, you know what I'm saying?
01:34:27.360But the problem would be that, you know, she's saying, you know, if you were to be going out and getting a coffee with someone of the opposite gender, like, that wouldn't be okay while justifying herself doing the exact thing.
01:34:41.560Because he doesn't have any, if he had a friend, like, like, before me, like, a girlfriend, before me, and they were friends, for real, I'd be like, okay, yeah, that's understandable.
01:34:51.400But all of a sudden, he never had one and wants to have, all of a sudden, now, while he's in marriage, it just doesn't make sense because we all...
01:34:58.080Well, 10 years ago, he might have been in a spot that, you know, it didn't make sense for him to cultivate a relationship with a woman or something, and maybe it did for you, right?
01:35:07.920I have no problem with, like, somebody from, like, a woman that he's working with, or whatever, call him, or stuff like that.
01:35:13.780Like, that's for me, I understand, but, like, all of a sudden, because I know the way he works, and I know he...
01:35:17.840He even told me I never had, like, a girlfriend himself, and he just does not feel comfortable for me having that.
01:35:25.140Like, he told me himself, and all of a sudden, like, he tells me, oh, I changed my mind, I want to have a girlfriend.
01:35:30.200Don't you think that just, like, sounds ridiculous?
01:35:32.320It's not about changing your mind, right?
01:35:34.540It's like, if something came about that made sense for Larry to have a girl, whether it was, you know, someone that he trained in the gym with that's just a friend.
01:35:45.880But he doesn't train with anybody at the gym like a girl.
01:35:48.480I'm just saying, if it made sense, if something were to come about that made sense for him to have a, you know, friendship with a girl, you're sort of saying, like, no, that's not okay.
01:36:02.820Maybe to you is hypocritical, but that's my boundary, and, like, that's not something I'm willing to change, and he knows that, and for him, he feels comfortable, you know?
01:36:11.880Like, I understand maybe from your perspective, and in your dynamic, that does not work, but in my dynamic, in our dynamic, that's how it is, and that's that, you know?
01:36:21.580You know, if the opportunity made sense for me to, at this stage of my life, after being married for five years, befriend a female, maybe it's another streamer that we're now collaborating with on a regular basis, for example.
01:36:34.760Like, it's likely, whenever, I'm going to probably never collaborate with this streamer, at least in the early stages of the relationship, I have that particular person, hypothetically speaking, alone without my wife, but maybe that could develop later on, where, like, the wife is very comfortable.
01:36:48.380Maybe this streamer person, that's a female, has a boyfriend, and she's married, and then she's like, okay, fine, like, I trust you, you know?
01:36:55.560You had that, like, where we were married, like, you collaborated, for example, Fafa Fitness multiple times, and, you know, like, you know, I wasn't even comfortable before I met her.
01:37:02.820Once I met her, and, like, I met her boyfriend, I was like, oh, okay, yeah, that's fine, you know, that's cool.
01:37:07.420And they were communicating, like, as well, and they went, like, not just him, but her boyfriend for lunch, like, that's a different dynamic, but I wouldn't say that, like, that's your, like, girlfriend, that's, like, a business relationship where you're working.
01:37:18.420Same way would happen with the streamer you're working with, that's, like, a business relationship rather than, like, a friendship.
01:37:24.960Yeah, well, I guess you could justify that, but I sort of feel like, and I'm getting the vibe, you know, maybe you kind of feel this as well,
01:37:35.460that she's kind of telling you how you feel and telling you that you're okay with things, and just, it feels a little bit, like, almost manipulative.
01:37:48.500I don't get that vibe, because if I genuinely wanted to befriend a female outside of a business dynamic, I wouldn't, because, for one, I've never been in that position where I wanted to befriend a female
01:38:02.100that there was no opportunity for us to do business together in any capacity for the sake of just being her friend, being a friend.
01:38:10.440Like, if that was the case, like, I'd probably have the intention to fuck her.
01:38:13.420Like, it wouldn't be on some, let's just grab a coffee and grab a bite to eat.
01:38:16.280It would just be, like, well, I think you're hot, let's fuck.
01:38:18.020Like, there wouldn't really be, like, there wouldn't be, it would be malicious intent.
01:38:21.300Like, I just can't see myself ever be in that position unless there was, like, a business dynamic.
01:38:25.800Yeah, there's really no reason to ever be friends with a female.
01:38:29.660It's fucking ridiculous, but on the opposite end of the spectrum, like, you know, it is a little bit outrageous to have, like, a male friendship.
01:38:43.480The only man, the only man, really, that should be in your life at this point is your father, your brother, and Larry, you know, so...
01:38:52.520Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
01:38:54.800So, I sort of feel like, and I think you're gonna sort of agree with me here, is that you love your wife so much that sometimes you're not willing to put your foot down and say things that you don't like.
01:39:11.920And that's really good that you feel so passionately about her.
01:39:41.380No, I'm not even trying to, you know, put myself into his shoes or insert myself in any way.
01:39:47.900I feel like you come along just, like, from your perspective.
01:39:49.020I feel like, okay, you're setting your way.
01:39:51.040And, like, you hear what you're saying, but you're not really, like, processing it in a way to understand, like, okay, like, maybe different people work a different way.
01:40:01.240There is a different dynamic with other people.
01:41:03.020And I hope, you know, you're able to sort of cultivate this relationship going forward in a way that just makes sense as much as possible for you.
01:41:12.980So, like, you don't have to say exactly how you feel or exactly what you want on the internet.
01:41:17.580But just going forward, sort of, I'm just hoping maybe you could keep some of this in the back of your head so that you're looking out for sometimes some of these different tactics that are being used.
01:41:30.860You know, so, just going forward, it's always good to have that on your subconscious.
01:41:38.980And I'm standing on this hill where I say, like, I genuinely do not have an issue.
01:41:44.980Since the beginning with her being in contact with a male friend that was many years before my time.
01:41:57.440Or probably people that aren't even in a relationship themselves trying to tell me a married man, happily married, by the way, like, that I'm X, Y, and Z.
01:43:06.280You guys have been married for five years.
01:43:07.980You understand each other more than I or anyone on the internet ever could.
01:43:12.760All I'm simply saying is being brought to attention or being made aware of potentially some other perspectives or some other things that could be going on is always good, right?
01:43:30.140So, you know, like I said, not trying to convince you anything is wrong or you should operate differently in any way at all.
01:43:40.380Just something to keep on, you know, in the back of your head.
01:43:44.540And when you see different behaviors, it'll sort of be like a little trigger, like, you know, maybe I have to reevaluate my position a little bit.
01:43:54.340And I've always had people doing that for me.
01:43:57.280And it's something that's been very useful because love kind of blinds you in a lot of cases.
01:44:02.580And friends have always been there to look out for me when I wasn't navigating through that kind of stuff in the best way.
01:44:09.180And, you know, the same thing was true for me.
01:44:39.940You know, you should have somebody else tell you.
01:44:42.180But I feel like, okay, we know our dynamic.
01:44:44.840And I feel like you should never let other people be involved in your relationship.
01:44:48.080I never tell any of my friends or my family whenever we have a problem.
01:44:52.820We go, we talk, we sort it out because nobody else should know your business.
01:44:57.000And I don't need my friend to give me a perspective on my relationship.
01:44:59.680They can never get the grasp of a full picture of our relationship and our dynamic based on, like, the information I give them because it's just, like, one-sided.
01:45:13.320So I feel like I should, we should not take anybody's advice on our relationship unless it's something like, okay, like, we went to a therapist.
01:45:21.360And, like, we want to really talk about it and we, like, openly say both of our stories and that's, like, very different situation.
01:45:28.300That's where I'm going to hugely disagree that the people around you and the people who are super close to you in your circle shouldn't have an idea of what's going on or shouldn't give you any advice as to sort of what you're doing.
01:45:44.760Your male friends, if you've cultivated those relationships in the right way, your circle as the right people will never betray you and always have your back.
01:45:56.580That is not something that could be said about really any woman, right?
01:46:02.400So kind of understanding that and that there will always be those people in your life, those actually true friendships who are doing everything and will look out for you in any way necessary.
01:46:17.180It's good to have those people having a little bit of a picture into what's going on.
01:46:21.100Yeah, but you have friends who betrayed their friends after, like, 30 years of friendship and they thought they were loyal.
01:46:28.120I just, I genuinely feel like, and I think you, we spoke about this and you agree as well.
01:46:33.960We should not ever put other people in our marriage and talk about, you know, like, our problems.
01:46:38.380We don't bring our relationship stuff out to public and to friends.
01:46:42.480I believe our problems should be discussed amongst each other and not amongst our friends and family.
01:46:46.320Because as my wife said, and I agree with her, it's largely one-sided when you're telling your problems, your friends and family, whatever it is between your partner, they're only hearing your version of it, your perspective.
01:46:57.820They're not seeing the full picture, right?
01:47:03.160So can they accurately give you advice if they're not seeing the full picture?
01:47:07.140Now, if it was a professional sitting down like you are, right, not saying that you're a therapist, but like someone that's mediating the people in the relationship, that's different, right?
01:47:16.560Because now they're seeing the full picture.
01:47:22.400But here's the thing, you know, just for the people in the audience who are watching, if you're the man and you're wrong and you are just giving your friends your side of the story, that's still okay.
01:47:38.420That's still not going to be an issue because at the end of the day, you should be operating out of self-interest and making a relationship that makes sense to you and the most ways possible.
01:47:53.580Do you think that when men are wrong and they talk to their friends and family closest to them, that they're admitting that they're wrong?
01:47:59.880Or do you think they're changing the story to make it fit them best?
01:48:03.600Like they're spinning a totally different narrative.
01:48:04.880No, no, even if they're doing that, creating a new narrative, it's really not a big deal because, like I said before, like you should be the prize.
01:48:16.680Plus, you are the prize in the relationship as a man if you've done everything to sort of set yourself up as a high-status, high-value male.
01:48:30.500So it's like even if you were to, you know, be operating in bad faith for some of this stuff, it still benefits you in terms of operating out of self-interest.
01:52:08.940She knows that if I hit rock bottom or whatever, had to take care of someone, whatever came up, you know, I'd be able to get it all back in that sum.
01:52:15.120But if I was broke, if I was essentially like a loser when I met her and I was trying to game her and convince her, like, I'm a good man for her, she's like, are you?