Clavicular x Piers Morgan (FULL INTERVIEW)
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Summary
Brayden Pears, better known as Clavicular, is the world-leading looks-maxer. He was recently profiled in the New York Times, no less, and he joins me now to talk about it.
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Well, Brayden Pears, better known as Clavicular, is the world-leading looks-maxer.
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He was recently profiled in the New York Times, no less, and he joins me now.
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I usually just go by Clav if you want to keep it chill.
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This is you talking to Andrew T, actually about the prospect of being interviewed by me.
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Do you have any advice for Clav are facing Bears' warning?
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Uh, Bears, he's not a snake because he doesn't stab you in the back, he stabs you directly
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Yeah, he's going to go, he's going to come to you, interrupt you, try to frustrate you
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Yeah, I think, uh, yeah, I think, uh, media appears, all these people, they all have a
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Now, Clav, what I found kind of a bit mystifying about that was, A, that you would be a bit panicky
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about being interviewed by me because you seem confident in your man.
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And the second that you take any advice from Andrew T, because by definition of what he
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does and the way he conducts himself, interviews with him are always quite full on, quite confrontational
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I'm struggling having researched you and your life and what you've built for yourself.
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I don't really see that you're the same kind of character.
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I'm going to come to the night that you had with him and Nick Fuentes and the other guys.
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But you've been positioned with them all as a kind of right-wing headbanger online and
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But why are you slightly apprehensive about doing this?
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Um, well, you know, it's just like he said, I think you've run a lot of hit pieces on people.
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Um, you know, I don't think your production team is fully honest about, you know, sort
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Uh, and I think you like to catch people, you know, kind of off guard and make them look
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But, um, you know, I don't think you're going to be as hostile towards me because it's like
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Um, you know, this is kind of something new that we're discussing.
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We're discussing something that's more along the lines of self-improvement.
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Um, I haven't really seen anywhere on the internet before.
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I mean, look, I, in, in relation to what you've just said about what I do, I would take issue
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with that as I would with all the people that I suppose you're referring to, because
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I certainly don't set out to gotcha, uh, these people, whether it's Andrew Tate, 20s or whatever.
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What I tend to do is when they're people who deliberately say inflammatory things, um, I tend
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We do our research production team that you've slightly maligned there.
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We'll do a very thorough professional job and I will put back to their own words.
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Now, I will then challenge them about why they said it, the context in which they said
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it, do they mean it, do they really hold these inflammatory views or are they just winding
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I'm a different animal to Puentes and Tate and the others.
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They're kind of influence, influencer stroke commentators and you're in that category,
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I guess, without much of the commentary or a different kind of person.
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But my job when I interview people like you is just to get to the bottom of who you are,
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what you stand for, stuff you've done, stuff you've said.
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Why would you automatically assume that is a kind of gotcha mechanism?
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Well, I just assume that because that's kind of, you know, historically what I've seen,
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So, you've watched my interviews and think I try and track people.
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I think you deliberately try to make people look bad.
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Usually people on like sort of the fringe of the right wing.
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But like I said before, as long as you sort of haven't, you know, automatically aligned
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me there, you know, maybe we'll be able to have a good interview.
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That's not, you know, just you looking for gotcha clips.
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I've got no desire to just look for a gotcha clip.
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I don't think challenging people on what's come out of their own mouths is ever a gotcha
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in relation to the other people you're talking about.
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They can get quite lively those interviews because people tend to not be challenged like
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In the world that you swim in, it's rare that people like Nick Buentes or Andrew Tate or others
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like that, Sneaker and others, that they get directly challenged about what they've said.
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And they find it a little bit unusual and sometimes a bit unsettling.
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But the clips that go out, I often think, I see the reaction to them, I'm like, really,
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you think that I just sit here and I just want to track people when all I'm doing is repeating
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That's just holding people accountable for their own outpourings, right?
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Which is, like in your case, this is why I'm slightly mystified why you get boxed in
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with these guys, because I don't see much of a track record of you saying inflammatory
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Um, I would say sort of people don't really know how to handle my ideology, so they want
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to figure out which political camp I'm a part of so desperately, so there's kind of a struggle
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But it's like I always say, politics are jester, it's not something that I want to involve myself
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in, it's not something I want to talk about, because I just simply don't care.
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Uh, you know, my, my main pursuit is that of aesthetics and improving my looks to the maximum
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degree, uh, you know, using every single mechanism available to me.
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So the fact that that's become a political phenomenon just really doesn't make sense to
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You've done pretty much everything in terms of aesthetics to make yourself look perfect,
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I've never had any plastic surgery, never had any Botox, never taken any enhancing.
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Plus you get weekly calls with Clav to get feedback and guidance in real time.
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of people who want to improve their look, you guys are going to want to check this one out.
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I don't really think it's necessary or beneficial to anyone to sort of, you know, do some comparison, you know, in our looks level because while most of it can be attributed to self-improvement, there is a big genetic role.
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So, you know, my entire ideology is more so about improving, not really about comparison too much.
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But my argument about that, just generally about the whole self-improvement boom of the last 20 years, is that a lot of people that go down that path end up looking worse than they did to start with and that actually the best way to look good is not to go down the path of relentless self-improvement, to trust what you were given by the good Lord and to avoid doing too much to yourself.
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I see so many people, particularly in entertainment, who just ruin themselves, ruin their faces in the pursuit of what they perceive to be aesthetic perfection.
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Well, that's because they don't know what they're doing.
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It's not just these super intensive plastic surgeries or these cosmetic procedures.
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It's just anything that's going to improve your looks.
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Well, no, it's not because a diet is a voluntary regime you go into for no other reason than you want to lose weight.
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I went into an involuntary regime forced upon me by circumstance.
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No, it doesn't matter if it's voluntary or not.
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It's a deviation from your normal routine, right?
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Whether or not you're forced to be in a caloric deficit or not, it's still a diet, you know, like in, you know, regardless, it doesn't really matter.
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You've done a calorie deficit before that can be something that's considered looks maxing.
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So by definition, Pierce, you are a looks maxer.
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You're just someone who is kind of on the surface level of it, right?
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I'm saying that in such a competitive dating market, you might need to take it a step further and sort of maybe utilize some peptides.
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Maybe get a little bit leaner than, you know, your current body fat percentage.
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I mean, I might argue that I'm logging you right now.
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Well, you know, that's a, that's a fair perspective.
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You know, for those of you who don't know what I just said, what does, what does logging mean?
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Basically outshining someone looking better than them.
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And there's different types of mogs, right?
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So, you know, you might have me in those categories, but I think we need to add in a little bit of nuance
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You, you would say that you have the edge over me in look smogging.
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I, I think I might have you by just a small margin.
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I don't know, but that could be attributed to youth, you know?
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So, who knows back in the day, back in the day you might have me.
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A lot of women find the old to do, a lot of women find the old to do more appealing than the young pimply youth, you know?
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But I would say for the most part, looks are an extremely objective thing.
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And that's sort of what I'm trying to, you know, push people towards realizing is that,
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well, you might not know these facial ratios that make someone attractive and harmonious or not.
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And everyone is judging you based off of them and it's not something that's within anyone's control.
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So, simply being able to identify them and improve upon them is a very beneficial thing.
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Well, let's have a look at you before you started all this and we'll compare to what you look like now.
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Yeah, I would have been, I would have been 16 years old.
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And the one on the, the one on the right is you, what are you now?
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Well, that would have been when I was 19, I believe.
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Okay, so you've been through a big physical transformation.
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So, what have you done to your face to look max yourself?
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It's a lot of pharmaceutical intervention, especially during puberty, right?
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So, this is going to be the time where it's most important for people to optimize sort of their, their growth mechanisms and their growth pathways.
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And, you know, a few of the ways I did this is with exogenous hormones like testosterone, like human growth hormone.
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Uh, I did things like, uh, block aromatase, which is testosterone converting into estrogen so that I would actually grow taller.
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So, there's plenty of different mechanisms that I leverage to sort of masculinize myself a little bit more, um, and to become a little bit bigger.
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So, um, you know, it would just take me so long to go through every little step that I took to looks max.
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So, there's a, a harder degree called hard maxing.
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Which is my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, because this is your lingo, not mine, which is often surgical or invasive methods to alter appearance, fillers, implants, plastic surgery.
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So, a more dramatic way to use surgical enhancement.
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Have you, have you done much hard maxing yourself?
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Well, a lot of people consider anabolic steroids to be within the hard maxing, uh, category.
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And I've done things like Botox, but in terms of like actual surgical osteotomies, rhinoplasties, I haven't done that.
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Have you partaken in mewing, a technique involving specific tongue posture to improve your jawline structure?
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And the whole idea behind mewing is that it should be your natural tongue position, right?
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That basically means that your palate has enough space to accommodate your tongue, um, and that you've got proper development.
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And this also, you know, is going to help you with, uh, focusing on nose breathing, which, you know, during your development is one of the key things for looks max.
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There's not much you can do after you've already developed improperly, but mewing is going to be one of those things that's absolutely required during the youth.
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So a lot of the lingo comes from forums over the years.
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Um, this was a very niche part of the internet for a while.
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And this was one of the techniques from, uh, Dr. Mike Mu that, that became very popular.
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Uh, I would say that this is kind of just like the most surface level form of looks maxing.
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That's sort of been known, uh, you know, throughout internet spaces since, you know, really about 2016, I would say.
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But like the more hardcore forms of looks maxing weren't really discovered and weren't really in the mainstream until a little bit later on.
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If you're watching this, you've never heard of it.
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You go, why, why are you giving all this air time to this guy?
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It's all quite interesting, but what's special about you, right?
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And I would argue the reason the New York Times did a big profile on you is that you're now making, it is reported, at least a hundred thousand dollars a month from your daily stream.
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Which often involves hours and hours and you just streaming whatever you're up to.
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I presume you'll include, you know, your impressions of how our interview goes, for example.
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Um, it is fascinating to me that someone like you at your age can come and become a millionaire really by just using a load of phraseology combined with, I guess, self-improvement.
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Nothing you about self-improvement, but you're combined with two and what people, young people perceive to be a cool way, which you have tapped into, which is very lucrative.
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And I don't really think it comes down to the finances.
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Um, that's sort of something that has been, you know, really pushed in the media for some reason.
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But I don't think that social media money, uh, in this day and age should really be that surprising to people.
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I think there's content creators who are a lot better off than me financially.
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So I'm kind of just shocked that, that people cared about that headline so much.
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And the thing is peers, simply what I'm saying is, uh, my life is kind of on a one to one linear timeline with my exact ideologies that improving your looks is going to have a direct correlation with improvement in your life.
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Right. So sort of as soon as I started really ascending and really getting into those high percentile looks, look at what happened to my life.
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Right. I became that millionaire. I became famous and a lot of things just started going really well for me.
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Who knows if this would have happened if I were, you know, in the lower percentiles of looks, um, you know, maybe some of it could be attributed to charisma to my personality and uniqueness.
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But I would say for the most part, this wouldn't be possible.
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This generational run, as they like to say, would not have been possible without the looks.
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You mentioned your charisma. One of the phrases, just a maxing.
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The act of using humor, clowning or absurd behavior to gain attention from women.
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Uh, I mean, that's just chatting them up, isn't it? And having the old gift of the gab.
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Uh, no, I think jester maxing is its own category, right? Being funny.
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Uh, being, you know, that, that's not necessarily jester maxing.
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I would say that jester maxing, um, a lot of the times it's like that kind of self deprecating humor.
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Uh, like, you know, someone cracking an egg on their head or something like that and saying, Oh, look at me.
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I'm such an idiot or something in front of girls.
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Uh, just being a clown and, you know, stuff like that.
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I think everyone knows a jester when they see it.
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And sort of once you, you know, this terminology, you're going to be able to use it in your day to day life quite perfectly.
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Have you managed to seduce many women by cracking eggs on yourself?
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I'm not entirely convinced jester maxing is the way to go.
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The, the last thing you want to do is be a jester.
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What's, what's the significance of using the word slay?
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Uh, slay is just, uh, sort of a term that we use on the forums, um, for, you know, having
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sex with a girl because a lot of people would directly correlate success in their ascension
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So getting a slay was sort of like the ultimate pursuit for looks maxers.
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I think a lot of it, uh, and the reasoning that you should looks max is just overall quality
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of life stuff, but you know, improvements in the whole dating scene, uh, is certainly
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So that's kind of just placing like a value or, you know, just being able to gauge your
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And your argument is as you've pursued this looks maxing campaign for yourself, you've
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become more attractive and you've had more women.
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So in that sense, you're very different to someone like Nick Fuentes who told me proudly
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Well, I don't really understand why it's, it's so, you know, controversial to say that
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when the, you know, that's for religious reasons, right?
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Uh, I seriously doubt that you would ever say that to someone who is, uh, of the Islamic
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faith, someone saying that they're reserving themselves for marriage.
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I think, uh, you know, you would probably be screwed in media if you were to, to use that
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same argument against the Muslim, uh, that you, you did against next simply because he's
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You were trying to make him look bad and sort of use the whole thing of him never having
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sex with a woman as, as some sort of like insult or some sort of way for you to, you know,
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Well, actually all I said to you was, do you think you'd be less intense about it?
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But I mean, like that's just attacking someone based on their, uh, you know, religious beliefs.
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And I don't really think that that makes any sense.
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If, if you want to morally grandstand over people, you know, just because he did it, does
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No, it is that it definitely is morally grandstanding.
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I don't want borrowing a grandstand, but I do think if somebody, for example, like him,
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has been very critical of people who are Jewish, for example, and have a Jewish faith,
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what's wrong with questioning him with his faith?
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And, you know, I have no problem with his answer.
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What's interesting is you're clearly very different people.
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Because I'm going to come to the, the, the band, you're all in the same band.
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And I'm like, I'm sort of scratching my head as to what, what you guys have in common.
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I just don't see that you have much in common with someone like Buentes or why you would
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think it would benefit you to be seen with him in the way.
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Let's come to it because it was quite interesting.
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You know, one of the few controversial things generally I think you've been involved with
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was this scene in Miami when you're in a band with the Tate brothers with Nick Buentes,
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the Sneeko and you all end up, let's take a listen to the clip.
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When you look back on that, when you watch that video, are you comfortable about that?
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Well, listen, Piers, historically, you've, you know, kind of been talking about this whole
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So I've actually got a yay thing as well for you.
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So that's the point is like, we could all point figures and show bad clips.
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Obviously I've never been there, never met Epstein, never had any connection with him,
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not in the Epstein files other than references.
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The beauty of the Epstein files, you can go and check my name.
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You'll see none of them have anything to do with him or his activities or anything.
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I'll just mention in passing as having been at completely unconnected events.
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I was pictured with her at a book launch for five minutes.
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She admitted that under oath, any time we'd ever met, it was for five minutes.
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So I have no connection to that scandal at all.
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I once met her for five minutes at a book launch.
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So let me come back to you in the van with the Heil Hitler song.
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Well, this is like a little bit ridiculous because you're with the number one Lux Maxxer.
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You're with the, you're with the number one Lux Maxxer.
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I'm just curious because Ye has now publicly apologized for all his anti-Semitic behavior
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In a full-page advertisement, look at the newspaper that came after the thing with the van.
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You've seen Andrew Tate trying to backtrack from what happened there.
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Quentes doubles down because that's what he does about everything.
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He's not significant in the way I think that you are in terms of influence.
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But I look at you there and you've got a guy behind you literally doing a Nazi salute
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It's a song that basically pays, well hang on, a song that pays tribute.
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Well you're singing along to the song and it pays tribute to the most genocidal monster
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And I'm just curious whether you think it's funny, whether you now regret being put in
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that position, whether you wish you hadn't been so enthusiastic about singing along to
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Well, the thing is, Piers, I'm not political and I didn't play the song.
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And I find it quite silly to me that you're with the number one looks maxer and instead
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of asking how you could ascend so that, you know, your wife wouldn't tweet out captions
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like when my husband's away, Mr. Sud comes out to play.
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Maybe if you asked me how to ascend, then I would stop happening to you.
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But just to be clear, you were in a van singing along to Heil Hitler.
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So it's like if someone were to come next to you in the street and play a song, it's
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So it's like, I don't know why you're trying to get political with me.
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And this is exactly what I mean by your production.
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Listen, Piers, at the end of the day, I've got nothing to do with it.
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So like, you know, I really I really have nothing to do with it.
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So you basically lied to, you know, my PR team that you wanted to come and interview me about looks maxing.
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I spent the first half hour of the interview taking you seriously about all the looks maxing
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I'm just bemused why you would want to be associated with those other guys.
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Most of whom have doubled and trebled down on it.
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I'm not sure you're that kind of person, but you have a chance to tell me whether you are.
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I'm not, I'm not political, but, but like at the end of the day, it's like, I don't
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know why you're trying to, I don't know why you're trying to make me this political figure
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when it's something that I've tried so hard to avoid.
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It's like, I want to talk about looks maxing, but like my position on everything is like,
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I'm not going to be, uh, you know, scared to collaborate with people.
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That's something that was good for my career of objectively to collab with bigger creators.
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Like, uh, just as I would with any leftist, like it, there really doesn't make any sense
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for you to do this whole gesture max where you're trying to make me this like right wing
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Um, I'm literally doing, well, no, I'm literally doing, hang on, hang on.
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I'm actually giving you the chance to say you're not one of those right wing guys.
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So, so, so it's like, if you're going to make me like, come on here and denounce like
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every single political figure, I'm not political.
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That's all you're, that's all you're getting peers.
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That's all you're getting is I'm not political whatsoever in any way.
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So back to looks maxing back to looks maxing peers.
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Like you're not, you're not going to have this gotcha moment where you have God.
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As I said to you at the start of the interview, I will always challenge people on what comes
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You were singing Heil Hitler with a bunch of people, some of whom have been brazenly antisemitic.
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I'm simply asking you, do you feel comfortable looking back on that video?
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And do you understand why people were so offended by it?
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Yeah, I absolutely understand why, uh, people are offended by it.
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But at the end of the day, it's like something that went viral and, um, you know, like I'm
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a content creator, but it was sort of more of a headache than it was a positive.
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So at the end of the day, uh, and I'm not political.
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And this is kind of like what happened was now people are asking me all these questions
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So it's just really not something that, uh, I want anything to do with in terms of like
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my content to, to do political stuff, to do any of these like huge PR stunts.
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So, um, like I'm simply here to advocate for, uh, you know, men's issues and looks maxing.
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Um, so that, that sort of distracted from that a little bit.
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So I get it, which is what I thought would be the case.
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You don't have to like keep going for clarifications.
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It's like, I told you, I'm not, I'm not political.
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Well, that's, I'm not going to say, I'm not going to, I'm not going to answer.
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I'm not, I'm not answering your, your questions about politics anymore.
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So this is exactly what Knowles did to me that landed me in a lot of trouble with the whole
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thing about JD Vance is like, now, uh, I attacked, I attacked JD, uh, simply because
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But this went viral all over Twitter and it distracted from my message so that this is
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not like something that I want to keep happening where it's like, um, I, I simply make a comment
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And all of a sudden I'm a, you know, a left winger.
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It's like, no, I just simply said that he's fat.
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Because had you waited, I just said, I totally understood what you were doing with JD Vance
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You were simply saying JD Vance looks a certain way.
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For your look maxing aspirations for people, Newsome ticks more boxes than JD Vance, right?
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And that's why I didn't think that was political at all.
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Given what you said about understanding why I defended people, wishing you hadn't done
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it and so on, would you like to apologize for being involved in that?
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I didn't play the song, so I've got nothing to say about that.
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I had nothing to do with it, Pierce, at the end of the day.
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Like, I don't know why you're trying to, you know, constantly circle back.
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I've just given you three opportunities, given you expressed regret for people who were
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Would you like to apologize for being, being with Ghislaine Maxwell and being in the Epstein
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Are you saying he had aura, so you're not going to apologize?
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Well, you just said you're not going to apologize.
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You know, for being involved with Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein.
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Well, obviously, as I've said to you, I never met Epstein or had anything to do with
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None of the references to me in the Epstein files show any improper behavior at all.
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I'm simply mentioned in references to disconnected events like luncheons and so on.
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And I met Ghislaine Maxwell for five minutes at the book launch where we talked about a
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father, Robert Maxwell, who owned the newspaper that I was the editor of for ten years after
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Whereas in your case, because he'd expressed regret over being caught up in a situation that
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I don't think it's unreasonable of me to say, well, are you sorry?
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Well, listen, we've talked about, you know, all those situations.
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So, like, I think if you have any other questions, we could just move on to that.
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And I won't bring up your involvement with Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Well, I'm here to talk about Luxmaxing like I told your production team.
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So, that's kind of what I thought you were going to interview me.
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I have no problem with you talking to me about Ghislaine Maxwell or Epstein or the scandal.
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What I would hope not because you're a political commentator.
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I would hope you wouldn't have a problem with that because that's literally your job.
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But it's not my job to sit here and talk about, you know, all of these different political issues.
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Can I offer you that I have three sons, right?
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If you were my son, I'd be applauding you for the amazing business you've built for yourself.
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I think a lot of what you do in the self-improvement thing is perfectly laudable.
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I think there are some parts of it which I'll come to which are a little bit more concerning.
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But if one of my sons was caught in a van with a bunch of people, some of whom have been proudly anti-Semitic,
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and they were singing along to a song called Heil Hitler, I'd have a firm word with them
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and I'd get them to apologize to people who were rightly disgusted.
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Your sons will never, you know, have as successful of a media career as me.
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So you won't have to worry about any PR disasters.
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But like, for the love of God, are you ever going to move on from this line of questioning?
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This is a dangerous and pretty discontinued and discouraged practice of actually hitting
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bones in your face to create a more chiseled look.
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Have you done this and do you encourage people to do it?
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This is something that was part of my routine for years and still is.
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The problem is there is sort of a barrier to entry to all this stuff that comes with
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So if you tell people about bone smashing and they're super low IQ, they might hit themselves
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in the eye and cause a lot of trauma or, you know, severe harm to themselves.
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So like these are things that could be very dangerous if, you know, done improperly, but
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So it's sort of a double edged sword on whether or not I recommend it.
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It's like if done properly with the proper precautions, it can be a good thing.
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I just don't think smashing your face up is a good thing to be encouraging anyone to do.
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Because I think the obvious potential downside massively outweighs any potential upside.
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Also a kind of wider point I'd say to you, Richard.
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Well, to me, like my overriding view of your whole.
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But like, why, why do you not recommend bone smashing?
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Like what's, what's actually wrong with it mechanistically?
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Well, I can tell you why I don't recommend bone smashing.
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Well, we're talking about very intentional localized micro traumas, not talking about falling over
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So are you saying you're, it's not possible for you to have, you know, a semblance of
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precision to not just completely shatter your orbital rim or something?
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My, I think my overriding question about all of this for you.
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Well, I don't think it's a good idea to encourage people.
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If you've done it and it worked for you, great.
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Or that you've been very successful with your philosophy.
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But I've met a lot of very good looking people in my, in my career.
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Because their looks eventually fade and they can't deal with it.
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And they end up turning to drink and drugs and they're depressed and it's awful to watch.
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Because they pride aesthetics over things that are more important.
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You know, your personality, intelligence, education, wisdom, all these sort of things.
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But why are you doing the same thing where you make it mutually exclusive?
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But are you not concerned that partly this is driven by insecurity of your part?
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No, I would say that that would be applicable to most people in the looks maxing scene.
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So I don't think that's a bad argument for you to give.
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But for me, for my specific case, it's based on objectivity, right?
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It's based on real world data that shows looks are extremely important in the workplace.
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So that's kind of the reason that I go about looks maxing.
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I want to just mention some famous men who I would argue are better looking than you, despite not having considered a life that looks maxing.
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Robert Redford, Paul Newman, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Cristiano Ronaldo.
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My response is Bradley Brad Pitt has had multiple facelifts.
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Cristiano Ronaldo has had, you know, a lot of dental work done.
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People have speculated that he's had some work done on his jaw with filler.
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So, you know, all these people, if you think that they're not looks maxing Hollywood actors, that's just completely ignorant and a little bit silly almost.
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I just said that they are potentially better looking than you.
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Yeah. And I really wouldn't have a problem with that argument.
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Like, I don't really think that I'm like, you know, the top echelon of looks.
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I would say that I'm probably above average in my looks, but it's not, you know, a hill for me to die on to say, oh, I'm the best looking person ever.
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Right. So to just name five people that are better looking than me.
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In your estimation, who is who is the best looking person in the world and who's the best looking person ever?
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Well, we might not know who that is, but certainly, you know, what I've said when this question is asked is based on objective, objective mathematics.
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You know, Matt Bomer scores the highest in terms of facial harmony.
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But, you know, there are some other things that go into it, like, you know, coloring, you know, like angularity and dimorphism.
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So, you know, while that's true about the objective harmony measurements, you know, it would take a little bit of thinking to kind of determine and maybe some surveys.
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Because I was very surprised about what you said about Sydney Sweeney.
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You said I would say that she's pretty malformed.
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She's got the eyes of doom with no infraorbital support.
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She's not really that much of a looker in her face.
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I think that a lot of people with porn brains find that attractive because of her body.
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I mean, she's like the hottest sex symbol in Hollywood right now.
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Well, yeah, but like I said, that's because a lot of male society is obsessed with pornography.
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So that sort of body type and that sort of archetype is sort of what they're looking for.
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You know, and this is sort of true about most of the famous OnlyFans models.
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Mostly the famous porn stars is they don't have model faces.
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They would never be seen on a Victoria's Secret runway.
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I didn't know if this was like a live thing or not on a media network.
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I don't think it's a problem at all, but it only becomes a problem to me when you sort
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of place these things higher than the face in terms of sexual desire, right?
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I think a girl with a good face is, you know, a lot more desirable than these, you know,
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sort of curvy models who don't necessarily have good bone structure facially.
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Uh, they've got a lot of, uh, you know, phalos, they've, they've got recessed, uh, convexities.
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So like that, that sort of thing is, is not really what I'm into the whole Sydney Sweeney
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If you don't think it sounds a bit misogynist, can't you give women a bit more of a break?
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I mean, to study them in such extraordinarily pedantic detail, over analyzing every inch
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And if they don't reach your high levels of maxing, then they must be rubbish.
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I mean, women won't even look at a man who's under six foot as a human in a lot of cases.
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They are the most fucking brutal, uh, gender, and this is the most brutal dating market that
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So for you to sit here and tell me, uh, that I'm being too mean or I'm not being gentlemanly,
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We, we just have to look on the other side of the aisle to see what's going on.
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And I think you'll, you'll find me pretty justified.
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If your theory is right, that trans maxing is the only route to happiness.
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Um, how is Donald Trump the most powerful and successful person in the world?
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Um, well, because he's very tall, he's got a good phenotype.
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Um, a lot of the, the looks features, uh, of Donald Trump, like his facial width to height
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And there, there's a lot of traits that, um, are sort of universal and presidential campaigns
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are presidential candidates rather, uh, like that of their height.
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Uh, you, you really never see short presidential candidates do well.
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Uh, so this is still all about aesthetics, right?
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He still fits within the categories that I'm talking about.
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Um, first of all, I just said that Donald Trump has a lot of the traits that make someone do
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Well, you asked why he's the most, well, you just asked why he's the most powerful person
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And I'm simply telling you it's because he's six foot three, he's got a super wide facial
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And these are things that have been researched, uh, to be super beneficial in a campaign.
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The problem with becoming famous, like you are suddenly getting all this attention is
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that you start to get a lot of unwanted attention.
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You were in custody on suspicion of possessing a poor instrument, using a fake idea and so on.
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Um, you've talked about using drugs like crystal meth and so on as a stimulant for hollow cheeks
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Um, but with your higher profile comes risk, doesn't it?
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Both the unwanted attention from authorities who may take a dim view to your use of drugs
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Um, to, you know, you've had problem with people having sort of stalker behavior to you
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Uh, I can't really go out in public anymore without security.
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It's like you want to just go to a bar, uh, and have a good time, you know, getting swarmed
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by people wanting to take photos, which is great.
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And I think it's, you know, one of the best things that has ever happened to me, but it's
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So I'm not really sitting here and complaining because, you know, the pros massively outweigh
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I have to operate, um, you know, a little bit differently, but it's, it's something I've
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Uh, it's something I'm pretty well adjusted towards.
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I want to, um, be able to be extremely successful in my career.
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Uh, maybe find a way to have a little bit more balance in my life where, um, I have some
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So just, just finding a balance, figuring out a way to be a little bit more sustainable
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because the current routine and the current hours that I work, uh, are, are quite brutal.
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Do you want to get married, have kids, settle down?
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Piers, I really couldn't tell you that, uh, at such an early age, I'm not really opposed
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to anything and I think I'll, I'll kind of figure it out, but I'm just not ready to answer
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Um, Polly market, the prediction market has an open market on whether you might be charged
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In fact, there's a 20% chance according to the guys who know where to put their money.
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What would you say the chances are of you being charged with a crime by the end of June
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I don't want to put any bad, bad energy out there or stuff like that.
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I'm going to try to, you know, stay on the right side of the law as much as I can.
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And I'm going to try to keep myself out of trouble.
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Well, they, um, you know, I've sort of disappeared, disappointed my parents for most of my life.
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And that kind of was true up until quite recently, recently when the success was so great that
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they sort of had to ignore all, you know, the, the bad stuff and the, the bad press that was
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happening that their friends were seeing because, you know, right now it's, it's undeniable that
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I'm, uh, you know, doing so well financially that it's kind of worth maybe, uh, their friends
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seeing some clips of me talking about, uh, stuff that they might not necessarily like.
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Did they have a word with you about the whole hip event?
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Uh, my parents didn't, didn't talk to me about any of the recent PR stuff.
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They don't really comment too much on anything.
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We talk quite, uh, frequently and they're going to be in my house, uh, you know, Florida
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in a few hours, so I'm, I'm quite close with them, but they try not to, to bug me too much
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And if they ask you, Hey, you were on Fierce Morgan earlier, how did it go?
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And I presume you'll talk about this on your own, uh, streaming as well.
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We spent an hour talking, we've covered a lot of stuff.
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Uh, I thought it was going really well until you wanted to,
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And I, I sorta like talking to you for most of the time until then.
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And right now this is, uh, you know, flowing a little bit better.
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So I, I think if we were to just, uh, do it was originally intended and talk about sort
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of my ideology with looks maxing, uh, its relevancy in the modern dating market.
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I think we, we could have even been, you know, pals that, that talked off, uh, off camera.
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But, um, you know, making it political was never just something that I wanted to do.
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My honest answer to that is, I think we could get on perfectly well.
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Having researched you, I was like, this guy's nothing like Andrew Tate or Nick Fuentes or Sneeko.
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Uh, I don't think that you look back on that Hitler thing with any great sense of comfortable pride.
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Um, I think you wish, you probably, if you're honest, wish you've never done it.
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And the way you get branded with them in a lot of the media coverage now as a direct result of what happened that night, I suspect is irritating to you.
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Cause it's not really where you want to sit in, in the public domain.
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There's nothing before that that suggests that's where you want to be.
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Uh, and when you say to me, I shouldn't have got political.
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It's the same thing that I explained to you at the start of that, my interviews with Tate and Fuentes and others.
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Is that all I do is put to people what they've done and say, right?
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In the same way that you said to me, I saw a picture of you with Ghislaine Maxwell or your Indy Epstein book.
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And my advice to you is you, if you don't want to be asked about stuff like being in the back of a van with a bunch of right wing headbangers singing,
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are Hitler, then the best thing to do is not be in the back of a van singing, are Hitler with a bunch of right wing headbangers.
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Um, not necessarily because like if someone puts a song on and you're, you're sitting in a car, like, I don't really understand how that's, that's supposed to be my fault.
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And like, why do you keep coming back to this, man?
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It's like, it's so silly to me, you know, but that's not even like a relevant, that's not even like a relevant story.
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That's like something that happened like, you know, over a month ago.
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It's like, that's, that's literally four press cycles previously.
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Like, how is that even, how's that even something that you're still bringing up?
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You gotta own it and saying whether you feel ashamed about it or not, whether you're sorry or not, it's up to you.
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Um, you know, it's just something that you did that was very newsworthy and very notable.
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And like I say, I don't think you're one of those guys.
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Maybe, maybe you are, maybe you want to keep hanging out with them and maybe you don't have any problem with it.
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Listen, I have no, uh, problem collabing with controversial figures.
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Um, you know, because that's, that's just kind of my brand is like, uh, you know, the same way that you're uncensored in the same way that you interview people, you know, the same way I'm going to, you know,
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Um, so I, I really have no problem doing any of the controversial collabs.
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I've enjoyed getting to know you a little better.
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Uh, I apologize in advance for viewers who will watch this and think that I clearly mocked you.
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Um, you're just going to have to live with that.