Clavicular - Clavicular x Piers Morgan (FULL INTERVIEW)

00:00:00.000 ...phase breaking bones to make it look more chiseled.

00:00:03.900 Well, Brayden Pears, better known as Clavicular, is the world-leading looks-maxer.

00:00:09.380 He was recently profiled in the New York Times, no less, and he joins me now.

00:00:13.980 Clavicular, welcome to Uncensored.

00:00:15.960 Thanks for having me, Pears.

00:00:19.300 Do you like me called Brayden?

00:00:21.760 Clavicular?

00:00:22.760 Clavicular?

00:00:23.340 What do I call you?

00:00:24.340 I usually just go by Clav if you want to keep it chill.

00:00:26.960 Clavicular, let's keep it chill.

00:00:31.020 So, look, I want to start with a clip.

00:00:32.640 This is you talking to Andrew T, actually about the prospect of being interviewed by me.

00:00:41.040 Do you have any advice for Clav are facing Bears' warning?

00:00:45.200 Uh, Bears, he's not a snake because he doesn't stab you in the back, he stabs you directly

00:00:53.080 in the chest.

00:00:54.180 So he's going to go to Walton.

00:00:55.820 You know that.

00:00:56.960 Yeah, he's going to go, he's going to come to you, interrupt you, try to frustrate you 0.99

00:01:01.140 and all this bullshit about that. 0.95

00:01:02.700 That's perfect for me. 0.94

00:01:04.040 Yeah, I think, uh, yeah, I think, uh, media appears, all these people, they all have a

00:01:11.200 lot more power for four or five years.

00:01:14.480 Now, Clav, what I found kind of a bit mystifying about that was, A, that you would be a bit panicky

00:01:20.780 about being interviewed by me because you seem confident in your man.

00:01:23.420 And the second that you take any advice from Andrew T, because by definition of what he

00:01:28.600 does and the way he conducts himself, interviews with him are always quite full on, quite confrontational

00:01:35.240 and so on.

00:01:36.280 I'm struggling having researched you and your life and what you've built for yourself.

00:01:42.160 I don't really see that you're the same kind of character.

00:01:44.740 I'm going to come to the night that you had with him and Nick Fuentes and the other guys.

00:01:49.100 But you've been positioned with them all as a kind of right-wing headbanger online and

00:01:54.540 so on.

00:01:54.920 Um, I'm not entirely sure that's who you are.

00:01:57.480 So we'll come to why that's happened.

00:02:00.260 But why are you slightly apprehensive about doing this?

00:02:04.700 Um, well, you know, it's just like he said, I think you've run a lot of hit pieces on people.

00:02:11.360 Um, you know, I don't think your production team is fully honest about, you know, sort

00:02:15.960 of why you want to do these interviews.

00:02:17.500 Uh, and I think you like to catch people, you know, kind of off guard and make them look

00:02:22.620 bad.

00:02:23.600 But, um, you know, I don't think you're going to be as hostile towards me because it's like

00:02:27.560 you said, I'm really not a political figure.

00:02:30.340 Um, you know, this is kind of something new that we're discussing.

00:02:33.020 We're discussing something that's more along the lines of self-improvement.

00:02:36.500 That's kind of like a new philosophy.

00:02:38.740 Um, I haven't really seen anywhere on the internet before.

00:02:43.620 Yeah.

00:02:43.980 I mean, look, I, in, in relation to what you've just said about what I do, I would take issue

00:02:49.660 with that as I would with all the people that I suppose you're referring to, because

00:02:53.460 I don't set out to be overtly confrontational.

00:02:56.980 I certainly don't set out to gotcha, uh, these people, whether it's Andrew Tate, 20s or whatever.

00:03:01.720 What I tend to do is when they're people who deliberately say inflammatory things, um, I tend

00:03:09.360 to put those comments back to them.

00:03:12.520 We do our research production team that you've slightly maligned there.

00:03:16.140 We'll do a very thorough professional job and I will put back to their own words.

00:03:21.240 Now, I will then challenge them about why they said it, the context in which they said

00:03:26.560 it, do they mean it, do they really hold these inflammatory views or are they just winding

00:03:32.160 people up and so on.

00:03:34.040 But that is the job of a journalist.

00:03:36.040 That's why you and I are different people.

00:03:37.660 We're different animals.

00:03:38.660 I'm a different animal to Puentes and Tate and the others.

00:03:42.280 They're kind of influence, influencer stroke commentators and you're in that category,

00:03:47.380 I guess, without much of the commentary or a different kind of person.

00:03:51.380 But my job when I interview people like you is just to get to the bottom of who you are,

00:03:56.000 what you stand for, stuff you've done, stuff you've said.

00:03:59.820 Why would you automatically assume that is a kind of gotcha mechanism?

00:04:04.380 Well, I just assume that because that's kind of, you know, historically what I've seen,

00:04:10.000 right?

00:04:11.000 That's just based off my own experiences.

00:04:13.000 So, you've watched my interviews and think I try and track people.

00:04:18.900 I think so.

00:04:19.900 I think you deliberately try to make people look bad.

00:04:23.640 Usually people on like sort of the fringe of the right wing.

00:04:26.560 But like I said before, as long as you sort of haven't, you know, automatically aligned

00:04:31.700 me there, you know, maybe we'll be able to have a good interview.

00:04:35.680 That's not, you know, just you looking for gotcha clips.

00:04:39.320 No.

00:04:40.320 I've got no desire to just look for a gotcha clip.

00:04:44.320 I can promise you that.

00:04:45.320 Okay.

00:04:46.320 Then I think we'll have a good time.

00:04:47.320 I don't think challenging people on what's come out of their own mouths is ever a gotcha

00:04:54.320 in relation to the other people you're talking about.

00:04:57.320 They can get quite lively those interviews because people tend to not be challenged like

00:05:03.940 that.

00:05:04.940 In the world that you swim in, it's rare that people like Nick Buentes or Andrew Tate or others

00:05:11.320 like that, Sneaker and others, that they get directly challenged about what they've said.

00:05:16.460 And they find it a little bit unusual and sometimes a bit unsettling.

00:05:20.320 But the clips that go out, I often think, I see the reaction to them, I'm like, really,

00:05:27.320 you think that I just sit here and I just want to track people when all I'm doing is repeating

00:05:32.480 back to them what they've said.

00:05:33.940 I don't think that's a trap.

00:05:35.740 That's just holding people accountable for their own outpourings, right?

00:05:39.980 Which is, like in your case, this is why I'm slightly mystified why you get boxed in

00:05:44.320 with these guys, because I don't see much of a track record of you saying inflammatory

00:05:49.080 right wing things.

00:05:51.320 Yeah, I'd agree with you there.

00:05:53.320 Um, I would say sort of people don't really know how to handle my ideology, so they want

00:05:59.380 to figure out which political camp I'm a part of so desperately, so there's kind of a struggle

00:06:04.560 to loop me into, you know, specific groups.

00:06:07.860 But it's like I always say, politics are jester, it's not something that I want to involve myself

00:06:13.320 in, it's not something I want to talk about, because I just simply don't care.

00:06:17.320 Uh, you know, my, my main pursuit is that of aesthetics and improving my looks to the maximum

00:06:22.820 degree, uh, you know, using every single mechanism available to me.

00:06:27.880 So the fact that that's become a political phenomenon just really doesn't make sense to

00:06:32.380 me at all.

00:06:35.380 You've done pretty much everything in terms of aesthetics to make yourself look perfect,

00:06:40.380 right?

00:06:41.380 This is your ambition.

00:06:43.380 Um, I've done absolutely nothing.

00:06:46.380 I don't even moisturize my face.

00:06:48.820 I've never had any plastic surgery, never had any Botox, never taken any enhancing.

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00:07:19.660 I don't really think it's necessary or beneficial to anyone to sort of, you know, do some comparison, you know, in our looks level because while most of it can be attributed to self-improvement, there is a big genetic role.

00:07:34.100 So, you know, my entire ideology is more so about improving, not really about comparison too much.

00:07:55.540 But my argument about that, just generally about the whole self-improvement boom of the last 20 years, is that a lot of people that go down that path end up looking worse than they did to start with and that actually the best way to look good is not to go down the path of relentless self-improvement, to trust what you were given by the good Lord and to avoid doing too much to yourself.

00:08:23.540 I see so many people, particularly in entertainment, who just ruin themselves, ruin their faces in the pursuit of what they perceive to be aesthetic perfection.

00:08:34.540 Well, that's because they don't know what they're doing.

00:09:04.540 It's not just these super intensive plastic surgeries or these cosmetic procedures.

00:09:10.540 It's just anything that's going to improve your looks.

00:09:13.540 Okay, fair enough.

00:09:20.540 Well, that's called a diet.

00:09:33.540 Okay. 0.54

00:09:34.540 That's ridiculous semantics.

00:09:35.540 That's literally a diet.

00:09:40.540 Okay.

00:09:41.540 That's ridiculous semantics.

00:09:43.540 That's literally a diet.

00:09:45.540 Well, no, it's not because a diet is a voluntary regime you go into for no other reason than you want to lose weight.

00:09:54.540 I went into an involuntary regime forced upon me by circumstance.

00:09:58.540 It doesn't matter how it's forced upon you.

00:10:03.540 Any sort of deviation.

00:10:05.540 One is voluntary.

00:10:06.540 No, it doesn't matter if it's voluntary or not.

00:10:08.540 It's a deviation from your normal routine, right?

00:10:11.540 Whether or not you're forced to be in a caloric deficit or not, it's still a diet, you know, like in, you know, regardless, it doesn't really matter.

00:10:19.540 You've done a calorie deficit before that can be something that's considered looks maxing.

00:10:24.540 So by definition, Pierce, you are a looks maxer.

00:10:27.540 You're just someone who is kind of on the surface level of it, right?

00:10:31.540 I'm saying that in such a competitive dating market, you might need to take it a step further and sort of maybe utilize some peptides.

00:10:39.540 Maybe get a little bit leaner than, you know, your current body fat percentage.

00:10:44.540 That's kind of all I'm saying.

00:10:49.540 Right.

00:10:50.540 I mean, I might argue that I'm logging you right now.

00:10:54.540 Okay.

00:10:55.540 Well, you know, that's a, that's a fair perspective.

00:10:57.540 Go for it.

00:10:59.540 You know, for those of you who don't know what I just said, what does, what does logging mean?

00:11:04.540 Basically outshining someone looking better than them.

00:11:08.540 And there's different types of mogs, right? 0.99

00:11:10.540 There's a status mogs. 1.00

00:11:12.540 There's, you know, money mogs. 1.00

00:11:14.540 So, you know, you might have me in those categories, but I think we need to add in a little bit of nuance

00:11:19.540 that it's not a, a look smog, you know?

00:11:24.540 You, you would say that you have the edge over me in look smogging.

00:11:29.540 I, I think I might have you by just a small margin.

00:11:32.540 I don't know, but that could be attributed to youth, you know?

00:11:36.540 So, who knows back in the day, back in the day you might have me.

00:11:43.540 A lot of women find the old to do, a lot of women find the old to do more appealing than the young pimply youth, you know? 1.00

00:11:49.540 Well, you know, absolutely.

00:11:51.540 But I would say for the most part, looks are an extremely objective thing.

00:11:56.540 And that's sort of what I'm trying to, you know, push people towards realizing is that,

00:12:02.540 well, you might not know these facial ratios that make someone attractive and harmonious or not.

00:12:08.540 They're subconscious, right?

00:12:09.540 And everyone is judging you based off of them and it's not something that's within anyone's control.

00:12:15.540 So, simply being able to identify them and improve upon them is a very beneficial thing.

00:12:21.540 Okay.

00:12:22.540 Well, let's have a look at you before you started all this and we'll compare to what you look like now.

00:12:28.540 So, there's the before and after.

00:12:31.540 What age were you in the before picture?

00:12:36.540 Can you see that?

00:12:37.540 Yeah, I would have been, I would have been 16 years old.

00:12:42.540 And the one on the, the one on the right is you, what are you now?

00:12:46.540 You're 20?

00:12:47.540 Yeah.

00:12:49.540 Well, that would have been when I was 19, I believe.

00:12:51.540 Transformation.

00:12:53.540 Okay, so you've been through a big physical transformation.

00:12:56.540 That's clear.

00:12:57.540 Your face has changed dramatically.

00:12:59.540 Yeah.

00:13:00.540 So, what have you done to your face to look max yourself?

00:13:06.540 It's a lot of pharmaceutical intervention, especially during puberty, right?

00:13:10.540 So, this is going to be the time where it's most important for people to optimize sort of their, their growth mechanisms and their growth pathways.

00:13:19.540 And, you know, a few of the ways I did this is with exogenous hormones like testosterone, like human growth hormone.

00:13:26.540 Uh, I did things like, uh, block aromatase, which is testosterone converting into estrogen so that I would actually grow taller.

00:13:33.540 So, there's plenty of different mechanisms that I leverage to sort of masculinize myself a little bit more, um, and to become a little bit bigger.

00:13:43.540 So, um, you know, it would just take me so long to go through every little step that I took to looks max.

00:13:53.540 So, there's a, a harder degree called hard maxing.

00:13:55.540 Correct.

00:13:56.540 Which is my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, because this is your lingo, not mine, which is often surgical or invasive methods to alter appearance, fillers, implants, plastic surgery.

00:14:06.540 So, a more dramatic way to use surgical enhancement.

00:14:11.540 Is that accurate?

00:14:12.540 That's accurate.

00:14:13.540 Yes.

00:14:14.540 Have you, have you done much hard maxing yourself?

00:14:19.540 Well, a lot of people consider anabolic steroids to be within the hard maxing, uh, category.

00:14:26.540 And I've done things like Botox, but in terms of like actual surgical osteotomies, rhinoplasties, I haven't done that.

00:14:34.540 It's just more so about, uh, pharmacology.

00:14:37.540 Have you partaken in mewing, a technique involving specific tongue posture to improve your jawline structure?

00:14:49.540 I have participated in mewing.

00:14:51.540 And the whole idea behind mewing is that it should be your natural tongue position, right?

00:14:56.540 That basically means that your palate has enough space to accommodate your tongue, um, and that you've got proper development.

00:15:02.540 And this also, you know, is going to help you with, uh, focusing on nose breathing, which, you know, during your development is one of the key things for looks max.

00:15:11.540 There's not much you can do after you've already developed improperly, but mewing is going to be one of those things that's absolutely required during the youth.

00:15:21.540 Where do you come up with these phrases?

00:15:24.540 I mean, I've got two cats, two Burmese cats.

00:15:27.540 They, they mew, they meow.

00:15:29.540 That's what I perceive to be mewing.

00:15:32.540 Where do you get this lingo from?

00:15:35.540 So a lot of the lingo comes from forums over the years.

00:15:39.540 Um, this was a very niche part of the internet for a while.

00:15:42.540 And this was one of the techniques from, uh, Dr. Mike Mu that, that became very popular.

00:15:49.540 Uh, I would say that this is kind of just like the most surface level form of looks maxing.

00:15:54.540 That's sort of been known, uh, you know, throughout internet spaces since, you know, really about 2016, I would say.

00:16:01.540 But like the more hardcore forms of looks maxing weren't really discovered and weren't really in the mainstream until a little bit later on.

00:16:13.540 If you're watching this, you've never heard of it.

00:16:14.540 You go, why, why are you giving all this air time to this guy?

00:16:18.540 It's all quite interesting, but what's special about you, right?

00:16:21.540 And I would argue the reason the New York Times did a big profile on you is that you're now making, it is reported, at least a hundred thousand dollars a month from your daily stream.

00:16:31.540 Which often involves hours and hours and you just streaming whatever you're up to.

00:16:35.540 Right.

00:16:36.540 I presume you'll include, you know, your impressions of how our interview goes, for example.

00:16:40.540 Um, it is fascinating to me that someone like you at your age can come and become a millionaire really by just using a load of phraseology combined with, I guess, self-improvement.

00:16:55.540 Nothing you about self-improvement, but you're combined with two and what people, young people perceive to be a cool way, which you have tapped into, which is very lucrative.

00:17:04.540 Uh, that is why you're interesting, right?

00:17:07.540 Yeah, I would say so.

00:17:09.540 And I don't really think it comes down to the finances.

00:17:11.540 Um, that's sort of something that has been, you know, really pushed in the media for some reason.

00:17:18.540 But I don't think that social media money, uh, in this day and age should really be that surprising to people.

00:17:24.540 I think there's content creators who are a lot better off than me financially.

00:17:28.540 So I'm kind of just shocked that, that people cared about that headline so much.

00:17:32.540 And the thing is peers, simply what I'm saying is, uh, my life is kind of on a one to one linear timeline with my exact ideologies that improving your looks is going to have a direct correlation with improvement in your life.

00:17:47.540 Right. So sort of as soon as I started really ascending and really getting into those high percentile looks, look at what happened to my life.

00:17:55.540 Right. I became that millionaire. I became famous and a lot of things just started going really well for me.

00:18:01.540 Who knows if this would have happened if I were, you know, in the lower percentiles of looks, um, you know, maybe some of it could be attributed to charisma to my personality and uniqueness.

00:18:11.540 But I would say for the most part, this wouldn't be possible.

00:18:14.540 This generational run, as they like to say, would not have been possible without the looks.

00:18:21.540 You mentioned your charisma. One of the phrases, just a maxing.

00:18:26.540 Yes.

00:18:27.540 The act of using humor, clowning or absurd behavior to gain attention from women. 0.92

00:18:32.540 Uh, I mean, that's just chatting them up, isn't it? And having the old gift of the gab.

00:18:36.540 Uh, no, I think jester maxing is its own category, right? Being funny.

00:18:40.540 Uh, being, you know, that, that's not necessarily jester maxing.

00:18:43.540 I would say that jester maxing, um, a lot of the times it's like that kind of self deprecating humor.

00:18:49.540 Uh, like, you know, someone cracking an egg on their head or something like that and saying, Oh, look at me. 0.99

00:18:54.540 I'm such an idiot or something in front of girls. 0.98

00:18:57.540 So it's its own very unique thing. 1.00

00:18:59.540 Uh, just being a clown and, you know, stuff like that. 0.85

00:19:03.540 I think everyone knows a jester when they see it.

00:19:05.540 And sort of once you, you know, this terminology, you're going to be able to use it in your day to day life quite perfectly.

00:19:13.540 Have you managed to seduce many women by cracking eggs on yourself? 0.97

00:19:17.540 No, I have not.

00:19:21.540 Yeah.

00:19:22.540 I'm not entirely convinced jester maxing is the way to go.

00:19:25.540 No, no, no, no.

00:19:26.540 I'm, I'm, I'm anti jester maxing.

00:19:28.540 Yeah.

00:19:29.540 So no, no, no.

00:19:30.540 Yeah.

00:19:31.540 Yeah.

00:19:32.540 Jester maxing is a very demeaning term.

00:19:34.540 You agree with me?

00:19:35.540 Yes.

00:19:36.540 No, I agree with you.

00:19:37.540 Absolutely.

00:19:38.540 Yeah.

00:19:39.540 Yeah.

00:19:40.540 I've got this on the right.

00:19:41.540 So jester maxing is an insult.

00:19:43.540 Oh yeah.

00:19:44.540 Yeah.

00:19:45.540 I know.

00:19:46.540 The, the last thing you want to do is be a jester.

00:19:47.540 Very last thing.

00:19:48.540 Got it.

00:19:49.540 Uh, slay maxing. 0.99

00:19:51.540 Is that, that means to have sex, right? 0.99

00:19:53.540 Yeah, absolutely.

00:19:54.540 What's, what's the significance of using the word slay?

00:19:58.540 Uh, slay is just, uh, sort of a term that we use on the forums, um, for, you know, having

00:20:07.540 sex with a girl because a lot of people would directly correlate success in their ascension 0.55

00:20:13.540 with, um, success with females. 0.95

00:20:16.540 Right.

00:20:17.540 So getting a slay was sort of like the ultimate pursuit for looks maxers. 1.00

00:20:21.540 I think it goes a whole lot deeper than this.

00:20:23.540 I think a lot of it, uh, and the reasoning that you should looks max is just overall quality

00:20:29.540 of life stuff, but you know, improvements in the whole dating scene, uh, is certainly

00:20:35.540 something that we've seen.

00:20:36.540 So that's kind of just placing like a value or, you know, just being able to gauge your

00:20:42.540 successes.

00:20:43.540 And your argument is as you've pursued this looks maxing campaign for yourself, you've

00:20:52.540 become more attractive and you've had more women.

00:20:56.540 Yeah, that's correct.

00:20:58.540 So in that sense, you're very different to someone like Nick Fuentes who told me proudly

00:21:05.540 that he's a virgin. 0.89

00:21:06.540 He's never had sex. 0.94

00:21:08.540 Right.

00:21:09.540 Well, I don't really understand why it's, it's so, you know, controversial to say that

00:21:15.540 when the, you know, that's for religious reasons, right?

00:21:18.540 Uh, I seriously doubt that you would ever say that to someone who is, uh, of the Islamic

00:21:23.540 faith, someone saying that they're reserving themselves for marriage.

00:21:26.540 I think, uh, you know, you would probably be screwed in media if you were to, to use that 0.81

00:21:32.540 same argument against the Muslim, uh, that you, you did against next simply because he's 0.96

00:21:36.540 Catholic.

00:21:37.540 Yeah.

00:21:38.540 Yeah.

00:21:39.540 Yeah.

00:21:40.540 But hang on.

00:21:41.540 It wasn't, I didn't use it as an argument.

00:21:42.540 I just asked him if it was true.

00:21:43.540 I didn't care either way.

00:21:44.540 No, you knew what you were doing.

00:21:45.540 It's just interesting to me that.

00:21:47.540 You knew exactly.

00:21:48.540 What do you think I was doing?

00:21:49.540 You were trying to make him look bad and sort of use the whole thing of him never having

00:21:54.540 sex with a woman as, as some sort of like insult or some sort of way for you to, you know,

00:22:01.540 like, uh, make him look bad. 1.00

00:22:04.540 It was just a little ridiculous. 0.80

00:22:06.540 Well, actually all I said to you was, do you think you'd be less intense about it? 0.92

00:22:12.540 You'd just go late.

00:22:13.540 I was just having a bit of fun with it.

00:22:15.540 I was doing a bit of chest and maxing.

00:22:17.540 Yeah.

00:22:18.540 But I mean, like that's just attacking someone based on their, uh, you know, religious beliefs.

00:22:23.540 And I don't really think that that makes any sense.

00:22:28.540 You don't think Nick Quincy's ever does that?

00:22:31.540 Um, well, you know, this is about you.

00:22:33.540 If, if you want to morally grandstand over people, you know, just because he did it, does

00:22:38.540 that mean I can do it?

00:22:39.540 Like that argument no longer applies.

00:22:40.540 Right.

00:22:41.540 So you kind of have to pick.

00:22:42.540 No, it is that it definitely is morally grandstanding.

00:22:45.540 I'm not borrowing.

00:22:46.540 I don't want borrowing a grandstand, but I do think if somebody, for example, like him,

00:22:50.540 has been very critical of people who are Jewish, for example, and have a Jewish faith,

00:22:55.540 what's wrong with questioning him with his faith?

00:22:57.540 And by the way, his faith is the same as mine.

00:22:58.540 He's a Christian.

00:22:59.540 I'm a Catholic.

00:23:00.540 Right.

00:23:01.540 And, you know, I have no problem with his answer.

00:23:04.540 I'm just curious what kind of person he is.

00:23:06.540 I'm curious what kind of person you are.

00:23:07.540 What's interesting is you're clearly very different people.

00:23:10.540 Because I'm going to come to the, the, the band, you're all in the same band.

00:23:13.540 And I'm like, I'm sort of scratching my head as to what, what you guys have in common.

00:23:18.540 I just don't see that you have much in common with someone like Buentes or why you would

00:23:23.540 think it would benefit you to be seen with him in the way.

00:23:27.540 Let's come to it because it was quite interesting.

00:23:29.540 You know, one of the few controversial things generally I think you've been involved with

00:23:33.540 was this scene in Miami when you're in a band with the Tate brothers with Nick Buentes,

00:23:38.540 the Sneeko and you all end up, let's take a listen to the clip.

00:24:08.540 I'm curious.

00:24:18.540 When you look back on that, when you watch that video, are you comfortable about that?

00:24:25.540 Well, listen, Piers, historically, you've, you know, kind of been talking about this whole

00:24:29.540 thing with yay for a little while.

00:24:31.540 So I've actually got a yay thing as well for you.

00:24:35.540 Why would you go to that island, Piers?

00:24:43.540 You know?

00:24:44.540 Which island?

00:24:46.540 You know what I mean?

00:24:48.540 So that's the point is like, we could all point figures and show bad clips.

00:24:53.540 No, no, no, no.

00:24:54.540 Wait a minute.

00:24:55.540 Wait a minute.

00:24:56.540 Which island?

00:24:57.540 You mean the Epstein island? 0.83

00:24:58.540 Obviously I've never been there, never met Epstein, never had any connection with him,

00:25:02.540 not in the Epstein files other than references.

00:25:05.540 Other than?

00:25:06.540 Nothing to do with him.

00:25:07.540 Brutal.

00:25:08.540 Other than.

00:25:09.540 Well, no, no.

00:25:10.540 You can go read them.

00:25:11.540 The beauty of the Epstein files, you can go and check my name.

00:25:13.540 You can read every entry.

00:25:15.540 You'll see none of them have anything to do with him or his activities or anything.

00:25:19.540 I'll just mention in passing as having been at completely unconnected events.

00:25:24.540 Well, what about Ghislaine Maxwell?

00:25:26.540 I met Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:25:27.540 Oh, yep.

00:25:28.540 There you go.

00:25:29.540 I'm about to come to that.

00:25:30.540 So I was pictured with her.

00:25:31.540 Okay.

00:25:32.540 I was pictured with her at a book launch for five minutes.

00:25:33.540 I've talked about it.

00:25:34.540 She admitted that under oath, any time we'd ever met, it was for five minutes.

00:25:38.540 So I have no connection to that scandal at all.

00:25:41.540 I once met her for five minutes at a book launch.

00:25:44.540 So let me come back to you in the van with the Heil Hitler song. 0.91

00:25:48.540 I'll hit the song.

00:25:49.540 Well, this is like a little bit ridiculous because you're with the number one Lux Maxxer.

00:25:53.540 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:25:55.540 Pierce, Pierce.

00:25:56.540 You're with the, you're with the number one Lux Maxxer.

00:25:58.540 Can I finish my question?

00:25:59.540 Okay.

00:26:00.540 Go ahead.

00:26:01.540 Yes.

00:26:02.540 Let me finish my question.

00:26:04.540 I'm just curious because Ye has now publicly apologized for all his anti-Semitic behavior

00:26:11.540 and language.

00:26:12.540 In a full-page advertisement, look at the newspaper that came after the thing with the van.

00:26:17.540 You've seen Andrew Tate trying to backtrack from what happened there.

00:26:21.540 Quentes doubles down because that's what he does about everything.

00:26:24.540 He views it all probably as a bit of a joke.

00:26:26.540 It doesn't matter.

00:26:27.540 Stiko, it really matters.

00:26:28.540 He's not significant in the way I think that you are in terms of influence.

00:26:32.540 But I look at you there and you've got a guy behind you literally doing a Nazi salute

00:26:37.540 as Heil Hitler plays in this van.

00:26:41.540 So ask him about it.

00:26:42.540 It's a song that basically pays, well hang on, a song that pays tribute.

00:26:46.540 Well you're singing along to the song and it pays tribute to the most genocidal monster

00:26:50.540 of the last hundred years.

00:26:53.540 And I'm just curious whether you think it's funny, whether you now regret being put in

00:26:58.540 that position, whether you wish you hadn't been so enthusiastic about singing along to

00:27:03.540 that song, or whether you don't care at all.

00:27:05.540 And I don't have a fixed answer for you.

00:27:07.540 I'm just curious what you genuinely feel.

00:27:11.540 Well, the thing is, Piers, I'm not political and I didn't play the song.

00:27:16.540 So that's kind of all there is to it.

00:27:18.540 Right?

00:27:19.540 And I find it quite silly to me that you're with the number one looks maxer and instead

00:27:23.540 of asking how you could ascend so that, you know, your wife wouldn't tweet out captions

00:27:28.540 like when my husband's away, Mr. Sud comes out to play.

00:27:31.540 Maybe if you asked me how to ascend, then I would stop happening to you.

00:27:34.540 You know what I mean?

00:27:36.540 Okay, so you're distracting and that's fine.

00:27:40.540 You're having fun.

00:27:41.540 I've got no problem with that.

00:27:42.540 But just to be clear, you were in a van singing along to Heil Hitler. 0.72

00:27:47.540 Do you regret doing that?

00:27:49.540 Well, I didn't play it, right?

00:27:51.540 So it's like if someone were to come next to you in the street and play a song, it's

00:27:56.540 like, you know what I mean?

00:27:57.540 So it's like, I don't know why you're trying to get political with me.

00:28:00.540 And this is exactly what I mean by your production.

00:28:03.540 Listen, Piers, at the end of the day, I've got nothing to do with it.

00:28:08.540 I've got nothing to do with it.

00:28:09.540 So like, you know, I really I really have nothing to do with it.

00:28:14.540 I have nothing to do it.

00:28:16.540 And this is what I mean.

00:28:17.540 Right.

00:28:18.540 So you basically lied to, you know, my PR team that you wanted to come and interview me about looks maxing.

00:28:24.540 And this is what you do.

00:28:25.540 Right.

00:28:26.540 You try to catch people off guard.

00:28:27.540 I'm in the heart first.

00:28:28.540 I'm in the heart first.

00:28:29.540 Hang on.

00:28:30.540 Hang on. 0.89

00:28:31.540 Stop being such a baby.

00:28:32.540 I spent the first half hour of the interview taking you seriously about all the looks maxing 0.80

00:28:37.540 thing.

00:28:38.540 I find it genuinely interesting.

00:28:40.540 Okay.

00:28:41.540 So let's talk about that.

00:28:42.540 I'm not, I'm not political.

00:28:43.540 I'm not, I'm not getting political with you.

00:28:45.540 Let me finish my point.

00:28:46.540 Let me finish my point.

00:28:47.540 Let me finish my point.

00:28:48.540 All right.

00:28:49.540 Let's try and keep things simple.

00:28:50.540 There's a reason not to be.

00:28:52.540 I'm just bemused why you would want to be associated with those other guys.

00:28:57.540 Most of whom have doubled and trebled down on it.

00:28:59.540 Who don't care.

00:29:00.540 They don't mind idolizing Hitler. 0.81

00:29:02.540 They think it's funny.

00:29:03.540 They joke about the Holocaust and so on.

00:29:06.540 I'm not sure you're that kind of person, but you have a chance to tell me whether you are.

00:29:11.540 I just told you I'm not political.

00:29:14.540 I'm not, I'm not political, but, but like at the end of the day, it's like, I don't

00:29:20.540 know why you're trying to, I don't know why you're trying to make me this political figure

00:29:24.540 when it's something that I've tried so hard to avoid.

00:29:27.540 It's like, I want to talk about looks maxing, but like my position on everything is like,

00:29:32.540 I'm not going to be, uh, you know, scared to collaborate with people.

00:29:35.540 That's something that was good for my career of objectively to collab with bigger creators.

00:29:40.540 Like, uh, just as I would with any leftist, like it, there really doesn't make any sense

00:29:45.540 for you to do this whole gesture max where you're trying to make me this like right wing

00:29:50.540 guy when I'm telling you straight up.

00:29:52.540 Um, I'm literally doing, well, no, I'm literally doing, hang on, hang on.

00:29:58.540 I'm literally doing the opposite.

00:30:01.540 I'm actually giving you the chance to say you're not one of those right wing guys.

00:30:06.540 I'm not political.

00:30:07.540 There you go for the, for the sixth time.

00:30:09.540 I just said, I'm not political.

00:30:11.540 Okay.

00:30:12.540 That's, that's, that's, that's my comment.

00:30:14.540 So, so, so it's like, if you're going to make me like, come on here and denounce like

00:30:18.540 every single political figure, I'm not political.

00:30:21.540 That's all you're, that's all you're getting peers.

00:30:23.540 That's all you're getting is I'm not political whatsoever in any way.

00:30:27.540 Okay.

00:30:28.540 So back to looks maxing back to looks maxing peers.

00:30:31.540 Like you're not, you're not going to have this gotcha moment where you have God.

00:30:36.540 Okay.

00:30:37.540 It's not a gotcha moment.

00:30:38.540 You were singing Heil Hitler, right? 0.83

00:30:41.540 You made it political, not me.

00:30:43.540 As I said to you at the start of the interview, I will always challenge people on what comes

00:30:47.540 out of their mouths.

00:30:49.540 You were singing Heil Hitler with a bunch of people, some of whom have been brazenly antisemitic.

00:30:56.540 I'm simply asking you, do you feel comfortable looking back on that video?

00:31:00.540 Do you wish you hadn't done it?

00:31:02.540 And do you understand why people were so offended by it?

00:31:07.540 Yeah, I absolutely understand why, uh, people are offended by it.

00:31:11.540 But at the end of the day, it's like something that went viral and, um, you know, like I'm

00:31:17.540 a content creator, but it was sort of more of a headache than it was a positive.

00:31:22.540 So at the end of the day, uh, and I'm not political.

00:31:25.540 And this is kind of like what happened was now people are asking me all these questions

00:31:30.540 about podcasts.

00:31:31.540 So it's just really not something that, uh, I want anything to do with in terms of like

00:31:37.540 my content to, to do political stuff, to do any of these like huge PR stunts.

00:31:43.540 You know what I mean?

00:31:44.540 So, um, like I'm simply here to advocate for, uh, you know, men's issues and looks maxing.

00:31:52.540 Um, so that, that sort of distracted from that a little bit.

00:31:55.540 So that's not, that was never the goal.

00:31:57.540 I get it.

00:31:58.540 So I get it, which is what I thought would be the case.

00:32:02.540 So just to conclude that.

00:32:04.540 Okay.

00:32:05.540 You don't have to like keep going for clarifications.

00:32:08.540 It's like, I told you, I'm not, I'm not political.

00:32:11.540 I'm not asking.

00:32:12.540 That's all I'm going to say about it.

00:32:14.540 That's one more question.

00:32:15.540 Well, that's, I'm not going to say, I'm not going to, I'm not going to answer.

00:32:18.540 I'm not going to answer.

00:32:19.540 So move on.

00:32:20.540 Okay.

00:32:21.540 All right.

00:32:22.540 We have another question.

00:32:23.540 I'm not, I'm not answering your, your questions about politics anymore.

00:32:26.540 So this is exactly what Knowles did to me that landed me in a lot of trouble with the whole

00:32:30.540 thing about JD Vance is like, now, uh, I attacked, I attacked JD, uh, simply because

00:32:37.540 and I was trying to comment on looks, right.

00:32:39.540 But this went viral all over Twitter and it distracted from my message so that this is

00:32:44.540 not like something that I want to keep happening where it's like, um, I, I simply make a comment

00:32:50.540 about someone's body fat percentage.

00:32:52.540 And all of a sudden I'm a, you know, a left winger.

00:32:56.540 I'm a Democrat.

00:32:57.540 I support Newsome. 0.98

00:32:58.540 It's like, no, I just simply said that he's fat.

00:33:00.540 Right?

00:33:01.540 Like I, I didn't support anyone's campaign.

00:33:03.540 No, no, no, no.

00:33:04.540 Had you waited.

00:33:05.540 And, clap, clap, clap, clap.

00:33:06.540 You're getting ahead of yourself.

00:33:07.540 Because had you waited, I just said, I totally understood what you were doing with JD Vance

00:33:12.540 and Gavin Newsome.

00:33:13.540 You weren't making a political statement.

00:33:15.540 You were making an aesthetic statement.

00:33:17.540 I didn't think you got political there.

00:33:19.540 You were simply saying JD Vance looks a certain way.

00:33:22.540 Gavin Newsome looks a certain way.

00:33:24.540 For your look maxing aspirations for people, Newsome ticks more boxes than JD Vance, right?

00:33:31.540 I said that he mogs him.

00:33:34.540 Yes.

00:33:35.540 Yeah.

00:33:36.540 So, I got that.

00:33:38.540 And that's why I didn't think that was political at all.

00:33:41.540 My last question on the other matter.

00:33:43.540 Okay.

00:33:44.540 You don't have to answer it.

00:33:45.540 I'm going to ask you the question.

00:33:46.540 Given what you said about understanding why I defended people, wishing you hadn't done

00:33:51.540 it and so on, would you like to apologize for being involved in that?

00:33:56.540 I didn't play the song, so I've got nothing to say about that.

00:34:03.540 You're not sorry about singing along to it?

00:34:07.540 I had nothing to do with it, Pierce, at the end of the day.

00:34:13.540 You did sing it?

00:34:15.540 I had nothing to do with it, Pierce.

00:34:16.540 Like, I don't know why you're trying to, you know, constantly circle back.

00:34:20.540 It's like, I'm not political.

00:34:21.540 No, no.

00:34:22.540 I'm not.

00:34:23.540 I've said all I'm going to say.

00:34:24.540 I've just given you three opportunities, given you expressed regret for people who were

00:34:30.540 offended and so on, to apologize.

00:34:32.540 You've chosen not to.

00:34:33.540 You don't have to.

00:34:34.540 I'm not forcing you.

00:34:36.540 Would you like to apologize for being, being with Ghislaine Maxwell and being in the Epstein

00:34:42.540 files?

00:34:43.540 Would you like to apologize for that?

00:34:44.540 No.

00:34:45.540 No.

00:34:46.540 No.

00:34:47.540 Based.

00:34:48.540 Based, no apology.

00:34:49.540 Based.

00:34:50.540 Yeah, Epstein had aura.

00:34:51.540 You don't, you don't understand.

00:34:54.540 Epstein had aura, Pierce.

00:34:57.540 W admit.

00:34:58.540 Sorry?

00:34:59.540 Are you saying he had aura, so you're not going to apologize?

00:35:02.540 No, what do you think I'm apologizing for?

00:35:07.540 Well, you just said you're not going to apologize.

00:35:10.540 What do you want me to apologize for?

00:35:14.540 You know, for being involved with Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein.

00:35:19.540 Well, obviously, as I've said to you, I never met Epstein or had anything to do with

00:35:25.540 him.

00:35:26.540 None of the references to me in the Epstein files show any improper behavior at all.

00:35:30.540 I'm simply mentioned in references to disconnected events like luncheons and so on.

00:35:35.540 Had nothing to do with him or Maxwell.

00:35:37.540 And I met Ghislaine Maxwell for five minutes at the book launch where we talked about a

00:35:42.540 father, Robert Maxwell, who owned the newspaper that I was the editor of for ten years after

00:35:47.540 he died.

00:35:48.540 So, there's nothing to apologize for.

00:35:50.540 Whereas in your case, because he'd expressed regret over being caught up in a situation that

00:35:55.540 you said was out of your control.

00:35:57.540 I don't think it's unreasonable of me to say, well, are you sorry?

00:36:01.540 If you're not, you're not.

00:36:03.540 If you are, now's your chance.

00:36:06.540 Well, listen, we've talked about, you know, all those situations.

00:36:10.540 So, like, I think if you have any other questions, we could just move on to that.

00:36:15.540 And I won't bring up your involvement with Ghislaine Maxwell.

00:36:18.540 Okay.

00:36:19.540 No, no, you can.

00:36:20.540 You can talk about that as much as you want.

00:36:22.540 Very happy to.

00:36:24.540 Well, I'm here to talk about Luxmaxing like I told your production team.

00:36:28.540 So, that's kind of what I thought you were going to interview me.

00:36:32.540 I have no problem with you talking to me about Ghislaine Maxwell or Epstein or the scandal.

00:36:39.540 What I would hope not because you're a political commentator.

00:36:42.540 I'm not.

00:36:43.540 I would hope you wouldn't have a problem with that because that's literally your job.

00:36:47.540 But it's not my job to sit here and talk about, you know, all of these different political issues.

00:36:53.540 It's really not my job. 0.98

00:36:55.540 It's not something I give a shit about. 0.97

00:36:57.540 Can I offer you that I have three sons, right? 0.98

00:37:00.540 And they're a bit older than you.

00:37:02.540 If you were my son, I'd be applauding you for the amazing business you've built for yourself.

00:37:07.540 I think a lot of what you do in the self-improvement thing is perfectly laudable.

00:37:11.540 I think there are some parts of it which I'll come to which are a little bit more concerning.

00:37:15.540 But if one of my sons was caught in a van with a bunch of people, some of whom have been proudly anti-Semitic,

00:37:21.540 and they were singing along to a song called Heil Hitler, I'd have a firm word with them 1.00

00:37:26.540 and I'd get them to apologize to people who were rightly disgusted.

00:37:30.540 You've chosen not to.

00:37:31.540 That's fine.

00:37:32.540 I'm not God treating you.

00:37:33.540 I'm just saying, do you want to feel sorry?

00:37:35.540 If you don't, you don't.

00:37:37.540 Don't worry.

00:37:38.540 Your sons will never, you know, have as successful of a media career as me.

00:37:43.540 So you won't have to worry about any PR disasters.

00:37:47.540 But like, for the love of God, are you ever going to move on from this line of questioning?

00:37:53.540 Yes.

00:37:54.540 You know, you want to just sit here for...

00:37:55.540 I'm going to move on now.

00:37:56.540 Go ahead.

00:37:57.540 I'm going to move on now.

00:37:58.540 I'm going to move on now.

00:38:00.540 There's a thing called bone smashing.

00:38:02.540 Now this is the bit that I find concerning.

00:38:05.540 This is a dangerous and pretty discontinued and discouraged practice of actually hitting

00:38:10.540 bones in your face to create a more chiseled look.

00:38:13.540 Have you done this and do you encourage people to do it?

00:38:17.540 Yeah.

00:38:18.540 So I have done this.

00:38:19.540 This is something that was part of my routine for years and still is.

00:38:24.540 The problem is there is sort of a barrier to entry to all this stuff that comes with

00:38:31.540 just, you know, intelligence, right?

00:38:33.540 So if you tell people about bone smashing and they're super low IQ, they might hit themselves

00:38:40.540 in the eye and cause a lot of trauma or, you know, severe harm to themselves.

00:38:45.540 So like these are things that could be very dangerous if, you know, done improperly, but

00:38:50.540 also things that can have a lot of benefit.

00:38:52.540 And this is always the nuance that I give.

00:38:54.540 So it's sort of a double edged sword on whether or not I recommend it.

00:38:58.540 It's like if done properly with the proper precautions, it can be a good thing.

00:39:03.540 And it will be a good thing.

00:39:05.540 But there is a lot of risk involved.

00:39:07.540 I just don't think smashing your face up is a good thing to be encouraging anyone to do.

00:39:17.540 Okay. 0.56

00:39:18.540 Well, you know, tell me why not.

00:39:20.540 Because I think the obvious potential downside massively outweighs any potential upside.

00:39:28.540 Like what?

00:39:29.540 Also a kind of wider point I'd say to you, Richard.

00:39:31.540 Well, to me, like my overriding view of your whole.

00:39:35.540 No, no, no.

00:39:36.540 But like, why, why do you not recommend bone smashing?

00:39:38.540 What?

00:39:39.540 Like what's, what's actually wrong with it mechanistically?

00:39:41.540 Well, self evidently.

00:39:42.540 Because smashing.

00:39:43.540 Well, I can tell you why I don't recommend bone smashing.

00:39:46.540 I literally smashed the bone five weeks ago.

00:39:49.540 I broke my fever falling over.

00:39:51.540 Needed a hip replacement.

00:39:52.540 It's wrecked my life for the last five weeks.

00:39:55.540 Well, we're talking about very intentional localized micro traumas, not talking about falling over

00:40:00.540 and breaking your hip.

00:40:01.540 I know, but you're, yeah.

00:40:02.540 So are you saying you're, it's not possible for you to have, you know, a semblance of

00:40:07.540 precision to not just completely shatter your orbital rim or something?

00:40:12.540 Like, it seems like a very easy thing to do.

00:40:17.540 My, I think my overriding question about all of this for you.

00:40:20.540 So what's wrong with that?

00:40:21.540 What's wrong with bone smash?

00:40:22.540 It's not slightly.

00:40:23.540 Hang on.

00:40:24.540 Hang on.

00:40:25.540 Hang on.

00:40:26.540 Hang on.

00:40:27.540 Well, I don't think it's a good idea to encourage people.

00:40:28.540 But why?

00:40:29.540 You're perfectly entitled to.

00:40:30.540 If you've done it and it worked for you, great.

00:40:32.540 And I don't dispute that you look good, right?

00:40:35.540 You're a good looking young man.

00:40:37.540 No problem.

00:40:38.540 Thank you.

00:40:39.540 Or that you've been very successful with your philosophy.

00:40:41.540 Okay?

00:40:42.540 But I've met a lot of very good looking people in my, in my career.

00:40:46.540 And a lot of them end up miserable, right?

00:40:49.540 Because their looks eventually fade and they can't deal with it.

00:40:52.540 And they end up turning to drink and drugs and they're depressed and it's awful to watch.

00:40:57.540 Because they pride aesthetics over things that are more important.

00:41:02.540 Character, for example.

00:41:04.540 You know, your personality, intelligence, education, wisdom, all these sort of things.

00:41:09.540 But why are you doing the same thing where you make it mutually exclusive?

00:41:13.540 They're not mutually exclusive at all.

00:41:15.540 None of the things that you just mentioned.

00:41:17.540 I'm not.

00:41:18.540 I'm not.

00:41:19.540 I'm not.

00:41:20.540 But are you not concerned that partly this is driven by insecurity of your part?

00:41:25.540 No, I would say that that would be applicable to most people in the looks maxing scene.

00:41:30.540 So I don't think that's a bad argument for you to give.

00:41:33.540 But for me, for my specific case, it's based on objectivity, right?

00:41:37.540 It's based on real world data that shows looks are extremely important in the workplace.

00:41:43.540 Looks are extremely important in dating.

00:41:45.540 So that's kind of the reason that I go about looks maxing.

00:41:48.540 But that might not be so true for everyone.

00:41:51.540 I want to just mention some famous men who I would argue are better looking than you, despite not having considered a life that looks maxing.

00:42:04.540 This is just my objective opinion.

00:42:06.540 Robert Redford, Paul Newman, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Cristiano Ronaldo.

00:42:14.540 There's five.

00:42:15.540 What's your response?

00:42:17.540 My response is Bradley Brad Pitt has had multiple facelifts.

00:42:23.540 Cristiano Ronaldo has had, you know, a lot of dental work done.

00:42:28.540 People have speculated that he's had some work done on his jaw with filler. 0.98

00:42:32.540 So, you know, all these people, if you think that they're not looks maxing Hollywood actors, that's just completely ignorant and a little bit silly almost. 0.97

00:42:45.540 That wasn't what I said. 0.97

00:42:46.540 I just said that they are potentially better looking than you.

00:42:51.540 Yeah. And I really wouldn't have a problem with that argument.

00:42:54.540 Like, I don't really think that I'm like, you know, the top echelon of looks.

00:43:00.540 I would say that I'm probably above average in my looks, but it's not, you know, a hill for me to die on to say, oh, I'm the best looking person ever.

00:43:09.540 That would be a ridiculous argument.

00:43:11.540 And it's not one that I've ever made. 0.83

00:43:12.540 Right. So to just name five people that are better looking than me.

00:43:16.540 In your estimation, who is who is the best looking person in the world and who's the best looking person ever?

00:43:25.540 Oh, that's a tough one.

00:43:26.540 The best looking person ever.

00:43:28.540 Well, we might not know who that is, but certainly, you know, what I've said when this question is asked is based on objective, objective mathematics.

00:43:38.540 You know, Matt Bomer scores the highest in terms of facial harmony.

00:43:43.540 But, you know, there are some other things that go into it, like, you know, coloring, you know, like angularity and dimorphism.

00:43:52.540 So, you know, while that's true about the objective harmony measurements, you know, it would take a little bit of thinking to kind of determine and maybe some surveys.

00:44:06.540 And what about women? 1.00

00:44:07.540 Because I was very surprised about what you said about Sydney Sweeney.

00:44:11.540 You said I would say that she's pretty malformed.

00:44:14.540 Her upper maxilla is extremely recessed. 0.86

00:44:18.540 She's got the eyes of doom with no infraorbital support. 1.00

00:44:22.540 She's not really that much of a looker in her face. 0.98

00:44:25.540 I think that a lot of people with porn brains find that attractive because of her body. 1.00

00:44:30.540 True. 0.98

00:44:31.540 I mean, a very ungentlemanly comment.

00:44:36.540 Well, maybe a little bit.

00:44:37.540 You couldn't be more wrong.

00:44:38.540 I mean, she's like the hottest sex symbol in Hollywood right now. 1.00

00:44:41.540 Well, yeah, but like I said, that's because a lot of male society is obsessed with pornography. 0.99

00:44:52.540 They're gooners. 0.96

00:44:53.540 Right.

00:44:54.540 So that sort of body type and that sort of archetype is sort of what they're looking for.

00:45:00.540 You know, and this is sort of true about most of the famous OnlyFans models.

00:45:05.540 Mostly the famous porn stars is they don't have model faces. 0.90

00:45:09.540 Right.

00:45:10.540 They would never be seen on a Victoria's Secret runway. 1.00

00:45:13.540 They simply have big tits and big asses. 1.00

00:45:16.540 Excuse my language. 1.00

00:45:20.540 What's wrong with that?

00:45:23.540 I didn't know if this was like a live thing or not on a media network.

00:45:27.540 I don't know how this works.

00:45:28.540 Oh, no, no, no.

00:45:29.540 I don't mind your language. 0.99

00:45:30.540 It's unsensitive.

00:45:31.540 You can say what the hell you like.

00:45:32.540 Oh, okay.

00:45:33.540 I don't think it's a problem at all, but it only becomes a problem to me when you sort

00:45:45.540 of place these things higher than the face in terms of sexual desire, right?

00:45:51.540 I think a girl with a good face is, you know, a lot more desirable than these, you know,

00:46:00.540 sort of curvy models who don't necessarily have good bone structure facially. 0.95

00:46:06.540 Uh, they've got a lot of, uh, you know, phalos, they've, they've got recessed, uh, convexities.

00:46:12.540 So like that, that sort of thing is, is not really what I'm into the whole Sydney Sweeney

00:46:18.540 book.

00:46:19.540 If you don't think it sounds a bit misogynist, can't you give women a bit more of a break? 0.78

00:46:25.540 I mean, to study them in such extraordinarily pedantic detail, over analyzing every inch

00:46:31.540 of their aesthetics. 0.98

00:46:32.540 And if they don't reach your high levels of maxing, then they must be rubbish. 0.99

00:46:39.540 Give women a break. 1.00

00:46:40.540 I mean, women won't even look at a man who's under six foot as a human in a lot of cases.

00:46:46.540 Like, what are we talking about? 0.99

00:46:48.540 They are the most fucking brutal, uh, gender, and this is the most brutal dating market that 1.00

00:46:54.540 we've ever been in. 0.99

00:46:55.540 So for you to sit here and tell me, uh, that I'm being too mean or I'm not being gentlemanly, 0.97

00:47:01.540 uh, it's just a little bit silly.

00:47:03.540 We, we just have to look on the other side of the aisle to see what's going on.

00:47:07.540 And I think you'll, you'll find me pretty justified.

00:47:12.540 If your theory is right, that trans maxing is the only route to happiness. 1.00

00:47:17.540 Um, how is Donald Trump the most powerful and successful person in the world?

00:47:23.540 Um, well, because he's very tall, he's got a good phenotype.

00:47:28.540 Um, a lot of the, the looks features, uh, of Donald Trump, like his facial width to height

00:47:34.540 are favorable.

00:47:35.540 And there, there's a lot of traits that, um, are sort of universal and presidential campaigns

00:47:41.540 are presidential candidates rather, uh, like that of their height.

00:47:45.540 Uh, you, you really never see short presidential candidates do well.

00:47:49.540 Uh, so this is still all about aesthetics, right?

00:47:52.540 He still fits within the categories that I'm talking about.

00:47:55.540 Um, first of all, I just said that Donald Trump has a lot of the traits that make someone do

00:48:12.540 well in a presidential campaign.

00:48:19.540 Well, you asked why he's the most, well, you just asked why he's the most powerful person

00:48:24.540 in the world.

00:48:25.540 And I'm simply telling you it's because he's six foot three, he's got a super wide facial

00:48:29.540 width to height ratio.

00:48:30.540 And these are things that have been researched, uh, to be super beneficial in a campaign.

00:48:37.540 The problem with becoming famous, like you are suddenly getting all this attention is

00:48:44.540 that you start to get a lot of unwanted attention.

00:48:47.540 Um, you know, you got arrested two weeks ago.

00:48:50.540 You were in custody on suspicion of possessing a poor instrument, using a fake idea and so on.

00:48:55.540 The charges were dropped, I should stress.

00:48:57.540 Um, you've talked about using drugs like crystal meth and so on as a stimulant for hollow cheeks

00:49:05.540 and so on.

00:49:06.540 Um, but with your higher profile comes risk, doesn't it?

00:49:11.540 Both the unwanted attention from authorities who may take a dim view to your use of drugs

00:49:16.540 and talking about it.

00:49:17.540 Um, to, you know, you've had problem with people having sort of stalker behavior to you

00:49:22.540 and so on.

00:49:23.540 How are you dealing with that part of fame?

00:49:26.540 Yeah, that's certainly a lot more difficult.

00:49:29.540 You can't really fly under the radar.

00:49:31.540 Uh, I can't really go out in public anymore without security.

00:49:35.540 It's like you want to just go to a bar, uh, and have a good time, you know, getting swarmed

00:49:40.540 by people wanting to take photos, which is great.

00:49:43.540 And I think it's, you know, one of the best things that has ever happened to me, but it's

00:49:48.540 just a different life, right?

00:49:49.540 So I'm not really sitting here and complaining because, you know, the pros massively outweigh

00:49:54.540 the cons.

00:49:55.540 Yeah.

00:49:56.540 I have to operate, um, you know, a little bit differently, but it's, it's something I've

00:50:00.540 gotten used to.

00:50:01.540 Uh, it's something I'm pretty well adjusted towards.

00:50:05.540 What's your dream?

00:50:06.540 What's your ambition?

00:50:07.540 Where do you want to be in five years?

00:50:10.540 Well, I want to keep ascending.

00:50:12.540 I want to, um, be able to be extremely successful in my career.

00:50:17.540 Uh, maybe find a way to have a little bit more balance in my life where, um, I have some

00:50:23.540 time to, you know, start gym selling again.

00:50:26.540 Uh, maybe not as many streaming hours.

00:50:29.540 So just, just finding a balance, figuring out a way to be a little bit more sustainable

00:50:33.540 because the current routine and the current hours that I work, uh, are, are quite brutal.

00:50:39.540 Do you want to get married, have kids, settle down?

00:50:44.540 Piers, I really couldn't tell you that, uh, at such an early age, I'm not really opposed

00:50:49.540 to anything and I think I'll, I'll kind of figure it out, but I'm just not ready to answer

00:50:53.540 that question.

00:50:54.540 Quite honestly.

00:50:55.540 Yeah.

00:50:56.540 Fair enough.

00:50:57.540 Um, Polly market, the prediction market has an open market on whether you might be charged

00:51:04.540 with any criminal offense by the end of June.

00:51:07.540 In fact, there's a 20% chance according to the guys who know where to put their money.

00:51:12.540 What would you say the chances are of you being charged with a crime by the end of June

00:51:17.540 up?

00:51:19.540 Um, I don't know.

00:51:23.540 I don't know.

00:51:24.540 I don't want to put any bad, bad energy out there or stuff like that.

00:51:28.540 I'm going to try to, you know, stay on the right side of the law as much as I can.

00:51:33.540 Let's just say that.

00:51:34.540 And I'm going to try to keep myself out of trouble.

00:51:39.540 What do your parents make you?

00:51:41.540 Are you from New Jersey?

00:51:42.540 You have a nice privileged upbringing.

00:51:43.540 I don't mean that as an insult.

00:51:44.540 I mean that just as a fight.

00:51:46.540 Um, what do they make of your phenomenon?

00:51:49.540 Well, they, um, you know, I've sort of disappeared, disappointed my parents for most of my life.

00:51:59.540 And that kind of was true up until quite recently, recently when the success was so great that

00:52:06.540 they sort of had to ignore all, you know, the, the bad stuff and the, the bad press that was

00:52:12.540 happening that their friends were seeing because, you know, right now it's, it's undeniable that

00:52:16.540 I'm, uh, you know, doing so well financially that it's kind of worth maybe, uh, their friends

00:52:23.540 seeing some clips of me talking about, uh, stuff that they might not necessarily like.

00:52:29.540 So it's kind of undeniable now.

00:52:32.540 Did they have a word with you about the whole hip event?

00:52:35.540 Uh, my parents didn't, didn't talk to me about any of the recent PR stuff.

00:52:41.540 They don't really comment too much on anything.

00:52:44.540 I, uh, that happens on social media.

00:52:46.540 We talk quite, uh, frequently and they're going to be in my house, uh, you know, Florida

00:52:51.540 in a few hours, so I'm, I'm quite close with them, but they try not to, to bug me too much

00:52:56.540 about anything that they see on social media.

00:53:01.540 And if they ask you, Hey, you were on Fierce Morgan earlier, how did it go?

00:53:06.540 And I presume you'll talk about this on your own, uh, streaming as well.

00:53:10.540 I mean, how do you feel it's gone?

00:53:12.540 We spent an hour talking, we've covered a lot of stuff.

00:53:15.540 How do you feel it's gone?

00:53:16.540 Uh, I thought it was going really well until you wanted to,

00:53:20.540 you wanted to, to get political.

00:53:22.540 And I, I sorta like talking to you for most of the time until then.

00:53:27.540 And right now this is, uh, you know, flowing a little bit better.

00:53:31.540 So I, I think if we were to just, uh, do it was originally intended and talk about sort

00:53:36.540 of my ideology with looks maxing, uh, its relevancy in the modern dating market.

00:53:41.540 I think we, we could have even been, you know, pals that, that talked off, uh, off camera.

00:53:46.540 You never know.

00:53:47.540 But, um, you know, making it political was never just something that I wanted to do.

00:53:53.540 You see, it's very interesting.

00:53:55.540 My honest answer to that is, I think we could get on perfectly well.

00:53:58.540 And I felt that before I, I interviewed you.

00:54:00.540 Having researched you, I was like, this guy's nothing like Andrew Tate or Nick Fuentes or Sneeko.

00:54:06.540 He's not to the right like those guys.

00:54:09.540 Uh, I don't think that you look back on that Hitler thing with any great sense of comfortable pride. 0.63

00:54:15.540 Um, I think you wish, you probably, if you're honest, wish you've never done it.

00:54:19.540 You probably do feel sorry about it.

00:54:21.540 Cause I don't think you're one of those guys.

00:54:23.540 And the way you get branded with them in a lot of the media coverage now as a direct result of what happened that night, I suspect is irritating to you.

00:54:32.540 Cause it's not really where you want to sit in, in the public domain.

00:54:37.540 There's nothing before that that suggests that's where you want to be.

00:54:40.540 Uh, and when you say to me, I shouldn't have got political.

00:54:44.540 It's the same thing that I explained to you at the start of that, my interviews with Tate and Fuentes and others.

00:54:50.540 Is that all I do is put to people what they've done and say, right?

00:54:54.540 In the same way that you said to me, I saw a picture of you with Ghislaine Maxwell or your Indy Epstein book.

00:55:00.540 And I can answer you.

00:55:01.540 I expect to get questions.

00:55:02.540 I answer them.

00:55:03.540 And my advice to you is you, if you don't want to be asked about stuff like being in the back of a van with a bunch of right wing headbangers singing,

00:55:12.540 are Hitler, then the best thing to do is not be in the back of a van singing, are Hitler with a bunch of right wing headbangers. 0.64

00:55:19.540 Would you agree with me?

00:55:22.540 Um, not necessarily because like if someone puts a song on and you're, you're sitting in a car, like, I don't really understand how that's, that's supposed to be my fault.

00:55:32.540 And like, why do you keep coming back to this, man?

00:55:34.540 It's like, it's so silly to me, you know, but that's not even like a relevant, that's not even like a relevant story.

00:55:53.540 That's like something that happened like, you know, over a month ago.

00:55:56.540 It's like, that's, that's literally four press cycles previously.

00:56:00.540 Like, how is that even, how's that even something that you're still bringing up?

00:56:04.540 Of course it's relevant.

00:56:06.540 Of course it's relevant.

00:56:07.540 And it's not me being...

00:56:08.540 Not at all.

00:56:09.540 It's something you did.

00:56:10.540 You gotta own it.

00:56:11.540 You gotta own it and saying whether you feel ashamed about it or not, whether you're sorry or not, it's up to you.

00:56:17.540 I don't care.

00:56:18.540 Um, you know, it's just something that you did that was very newsworthy and very notable.

00:56:22.540 And like I say, I don't think you're one of those guys.

00:56:26.540 Maybe, maybe you are, maybe you want to keep hanging out with them and maybe you don't have any problem with it.

00:56:31.540 I just don't think you're one of those guys.

00:56:34.540 Listen, I have no, uh, problem collabing with controversial figures.

00:56:40.540 Um, you know, because that's, that's just kind of my brand is like, uh, you know, the same way that you're uncensored in the same way that you interview people, you know, the same way I'm going to, you know,

00:56:51.540 do collaborate collaborations.

00:56:54.540 Um, so I, I really have no problem doing any of the controversial collabs.

00:57:00.540 Well, look, we spent nearly an hour talking.

00:57:04.540 I've enjoyed getting to know you a little better.

00:57:07.540 I hope we do it again.

00:57:08.540 Uh, I apologize in advance for viewers who will watch this and think that I clearly mocked you.

00:57:15.540 Um, you're just going to have to live with that.

00:57:17.540 I'm afraid.

00:57:18.540 Yeah, you got me Pierce.

00:57:19.540 Well, uh, it was good talking.

00:57:21.540 Thanks for having me.

00:57:22.540 I hope you have a good rest of your day.

00:57:24.540 So take care.

00:57:25.540 って.

00:57:26.540 All the best to you, Clem.

00:57:28.540 Thanks a lot.

00:57:29.540 .

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Clavicular - February 19, 2026

Clavicular x Piers Morgan (FULL INTERVIEW)

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