Clavicular - February 18, 2026


I Got Interviewed By New York Times! (FULL INTERVIEW)

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Braden Eric Peters
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In this episode, I sit down with a good friend of mine to talk about his life growing up in a small town in New Jersey and how he ended up at a Catholic private school. We talk about how he dealt with being sent off to live with his grandmother when he was a kid, how he got into drugs, and what it was like growing up as the only girl in his class.

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00:00:00.000 So I think what a lot of people want to know, do you prefer clav, clavicular, is your life story?
00:00:08.420 Like you sort of have popped up on a lot of people's socials in the past year, but really in the past like two months.
00:00:15.840 Begin at the beginning, where are you from? What was growing up like for you? What did your parents, you know, that kind of everyday?
00:00:22.440 Well, so I grew up in a pretty small town called Hoboken, New Jersey.
00:00:26.200 Of course.
00:00:26.780 Not exactly small in terms of population, you know, one of the most densely populated cities in the country.
00:00:34.660 But it's a one square mile thing, so you pretty much know everyone.
00:00:39.200 And I enjoyed growing up there. You didn't have to have a car, you could walk everywhere to the gym, you know, to restaurants, whatever.
00:00:47.560 So yeah, growing up there, I was pretty happy.
00:00:50.040 And then when I went to high school, I went pretty far away, so I'd have to, you know, take a happy amount of public education and long commute.
00:01:00.800 So high school wasn't exactly something I enjoyed too much at all.
00:01:07.060 Why?
00:01:07.460 Um, just because how far it was and the whole thing with COVID, I, you know, the first time I was pretty much from the same town and I was from South and I was from, South Jersey?
00:01:19.640 Well, South of the school, yeah.
00:01:21.100 Oh, okay.
00:01:21.440 And then I would be North, so, you know, I didn't know anyone and they all knew each other.
00:01:26.160 And with how hard it was with the online stuff, just, you know, making connections was never something that...
00:01:33.400 Were you boarding there?
00:01:34.840 No, no, no. It's not a boarding school. It's just a regular Catholic private school.
00:01:38.080 Gotcha. Okay. And which town was that in?
00:01:39.960 Uh, that was in West Orange.
00:01:41.540 Gotcha. Okay. So metro area.
00:01:43.380 Were you boarding the same food as yesterday?
00:01:45.020 Uh, yeah.
00:01:46.160 Um, tell me about your family. What did your parents do?
00:01:49.480 Uh, what did they do for work?
00:01:51.220 Yeah, when you were growing up.
00:01:52.100 Uh, my, my dad has, uh,
00:01:55.380 a company and my mom stays at home.
00:01:58.500 Okay. Do you have siblings?
00:02:00.240 Yeah, I have a little sister.
00:02:01.380 Okay.
00:02:01.980 Sixteen. Turning sixteen.
00:02:03.480 Okay.
00:02:05.320 Um, and I just know from that famous photo of you from kind of before you blew up with your grandmother,
00:02:11.600 is she like a big part of your life or...?
00:02:13.520 Yeah, um, because, you know, I wasn't, I was kind of a bad kid growing up, I guess you could say.
00:02:18.800 So a lot of the times I would get sent off to live with grandma.
00:02:23.480 So they'd send you to stay with her?
00:02:24.700 Yeah.
00:02:25.680 Okay.
00:02:27.360 Also preferred it.
00:02:28.840 Why's that?
00:02:30.060 Because I had a, a job that I really liked, um, at this one place called the Squire.
00:02:36.280 What's that?
00:02:37.320 It's a, a bar, a tavern bar, sit-down spot.
00:02:40.940 Okay.
00:02:41.160 It's nice.
00:02:41.460 Yeah.
00:02:42.120 In Hoboken?
00:02:43.540 In Chatham.
00:02:44.120 In Chatham, okay.
00:02:44.780 In Chatham.
00:02:46.080 Oh, okay. So that's, your grandmother lives in, in Mass?
00:02:48.760 Yes.
00:02:49.220 Okay. So they'd send you, what, for the summer to go up there or whatever?
00:02:52.000 Well, I would, yeah, I'd go up there for the summer regardless, but I just mean, like,
00:02:55.920 after the whole, uh, college incident.
00:02:58.080 Mm-hmm.
00:02:58.420 Or if I was, like, you know, uh, you know, not behaved during, like, a, a break or something
00:03:06.360 like that.
00:03:06.840 Mm-hmm.
00:03:07.060 Do it, Joe.
00:03:08.480 Yeah.
00:03:08.780 Okay. So, like, when you say you weren't behaving, I've watched a lot of your kind
00:03:12.820 of, like, old videos.
00:03:13.740 Yeah.
00:03:14.000 And you talk about, like, your parents taking away your tests or, like, taking away your
00:03:17.700 hammer.
00:03:18.900 Is that what you're talking about or kind of other stuff?
00:03:20.880 Like, tell me a little bit about what you were like in, in high school.
00:03:23.760 That's pretty much what I was talking about.
00:03:25.320 Yeah, because the thing is, when you take away, um, you know, what's basically, like,
00:03:32.120 medication, uh, you know, like, is called testosterone replacement therapy.
00:03:37.720 Yeah.
00:03:38.460 If you take that away from someone, especially while they're developing and you make them
00:03:41.820 go hypogonadal, everything emotionally is out of whack.
00:03:45.960 Mm-hmm.
00:03:46.380 So, that can cause, like, you know, me to have freakouts, like, if my estrogen's out
00:03:50.880 of whack, you know, because they take away stuff that I need to maintain my hormonal stability.
00:03:57.300 And it's like, yeah, of course, like, I'm going to freak out and, like, get into arguments
00:04:01.220 with my parents.
00:04:02.220 Yes.
00:04:02.640 Okay.
00:04:03.400 It's my brain chemistries.
00:04:05.900 And so, you were 14 when you started taking TRT?
00:04:08.360 Yeah.
00:04:08.940 Okay.
00:04:09.660 So, it sounds, it sounds bad, but I turned 15 a month later.
00:04:13.920 Okay.
00:04:14.500 So, it was, yeah.
00:04:15.920 I mean, I was basically 15.
00:04:18.180 TRT is definitely, like, I'm 41.
00:04:20.260 It's definitely something that's in the culture a lot right now, but it's definitely not something
00:04:23.920 we think about, you know, like, 14 and 15-year-old kids taking.
00:04:27.280 Yeah.
00:04:27.380 Like, can you just sort of take me into the mindset?
00:04:30.240 Like, I've watched your interviews about it a little bit.
00:04:33.080 Mm-hmm.
00:04:33.200 I'm just curious, like, what you were thinking, like, I guess you're a freshman in high school,
00:04:37.860 something like that?
00:04:38.280 Yes.
00:04:38.900 Yeah.
00:04:39.200 So, you're, like, in this school situation you don't really like for the first time.
00:04:44.460 Um, like, take me through your mindset when you're, like, okay, I want to take TRT.
00:04:48.880 Well, so I just started kind of working out.
00:04:52.140 I had, like, a little home gym thing in my basement.
00:04:55.380 And, um, you know, I was kind of thinking to myself, well, if this tool exists, and I,
00:05:03.460 you know, seen videos about it on YouTube.
00:05:06.000 If you agree with Clav's message and you're serious about improving your look, you guys
00:05:10.580 are going to want to check out Clav's community on school.
00:05:12.840 Once you're inside, you get access to over 100 courses on looks maxing, pharmacology,
00:05:17.620 nootropics, and social skills.
00:05:19.660 Plus, you get weekly calls with Clav to get feedback and guidance in real time.
00:05:23.600 So, if you guys want the absolute best information on looking better and access to a community
00:05:27.800 of people who want to improve their look, you guys are going to want to check this one out.
00:05:30.900 I've come across different, like, forum posts.
00:05:34.000 It's, like, sort of like a cheat code is how I thought about it.
00:05:36.520 It's, like, why would I not do this?
00:05:38.460 Yes.
00:05:38.680 That's kind of how I was thinking about it.
00:05:39.940 Yes.
00:05:40.220 Like, this just seems so logical.
00:05:41.980 Yeah.
00:05:42.300 That if I could accelerate my progress in the gym.
00:05:46.080 Yeah.
00:05:46.400 With a simple pharmaceutical intervention.
00:05:49.040 Mm-hmm.
00:05:49.560 Then, of course, I'm going to do it.
00:05:50.980 So, you're, at this point, you're just thinking about getting stronger in the gym, basically.
00:05:55.060 Well, getting a better physique.
00:05:56.280 Yeah, yeah, okay.
00:05:56.860 So, you're already thinking in terms of the aesthetic and not just, like, get stronger.
00:06:00.580 Yeah, okay.
00:06:01.340 Okay.
00:06:02.600 And it's pretty easy to get online?
00:06:05.020 Oh, yeah.
00:06:05.780 Okay.
00:06:06.360 Just through forums or? 0.90
00:06:09.120 Yeah, if you're not a bonehead, you can figure out how to get steroids. 0.90
00:06:14.080 Okay. 0.57
00:06:16.780 Okay, so, basically, you get tasked, and at some point, your parents discover it.
00:06:20.900 They get pissed off and try to take it away from you.
00:06:23.860 Mm-hmm.
00:06:24.140 And it leads to this, essentially, emotional episode.
00:06:27.760 Um, well, not the first time.
00:06:31.580 Mm-hmm.
00:06:32.020 But, yeah, it was always a problem for, like, the first, like, two years.
00:06:37.780 Mm-hmm.
00:06:38.320 Um, and my parents sort of just, like, you know, wanted, you know, to be kind of ignorant about it. 0.89
00:06:46.380 You know?
00:06:46.940 Meaning they thought you might be doing it, but didn't intervene?
00:06:49.740 They just, yeah, they just didn't want to have to deal with it anymore.
00:06:52.880 Mm-hmm.
00:06:53.280 Okay.
00:06:53.780 You know?
00:06:54.140 So it kind of just stopped, because they realized after a certain point of me, like, reordering
00:06:59.940 it and getting P.O. boxes that there was kind of nothing that they could do to stop my ascension.
00:07:05.880 Mm-hmm.
00:07:06.240 You know, like, that's the one thing I would never let anyone stop ascending, you know, me from ascending.
00:07:14.360 Okay.
00:07:15.200 Um, I want to circle back to some of this stuff, but can you define ascending?
00:07:19.520 Uh, I think I understand, but how do you see it?
00:07:21.640 I see ascending as, um, basically, like, becoming a better-looking version of yourself.
00:07:31.700 Mm-hmm.
00:07:32.460 And that could be through your face, through your physique, uh, through getting taller,
00:07:38.400 just maximizing the anyesthetic metric of these ascending.
00:07:43.320 Okay.
00:07:43.560 And, you know, ascending could be used, um, if you're, if you specify the context for,
00:07:49.080 like, ascending in terms of, like, you know, your income or your status, like, there could
00:07:54.000 be all types of ascensions.
00:07:55.480 Mm-hmm.
00:07:55.840 Just improvement at the end of the day.
00:07:57.680 Okay.
00:07:58.520 And I don't want to make you go back to the stuff you went over with, like, Michael Knowles,
00:08:02.460 but in your worldview, looks, physique is just a more immediate and powerful form of ascension
00:08:09.660 than status or money or anything.
00:08:12.420 Well, yeah.
00:08:12.800 All I said, you know, the main point I was trying to, you know, get across is that it's
00:08:18.460 going to be a lot easier, uh, to have a meaningful ascension in terms of the looks category than
00:08:24.280 it ever will be to ascend in terms of status, you know, because, like, what does that even
00:08:30.900 mean?
00:08:31.200 Like, ascending, like, in Instagram followers, it's like, the average person is never going
00:08:36.500 to get more than, like, you know, what, 3,000 Instagram followers is a lot.
00:08:40.200 That's not status.
00:08:41.440 Mm-hmm.
00:08:41.660 You know?
00:08:42.480 And then they see people on podcasts with, like, millions of followers being like, oh,
00:08:47.000 you know, I got famous and it changed my life.
00:08:49.560 Yeah.
00:08:49.720 It's like, of course, but the average person will never be able to do this.
00:08:52.480 Mm-hmm.
00:08:52.720 Mm-hmm.
00:08:53.140 Okay.
00:08:53.560 Okay.
00:08:53.580 Um, before you got into bodybuilding and aesthetics, what were your interests as a kid?
00:08:58.660 What were you into?
00:08:59.400 Um, I would kind of, like, go from one, I would be hyperfixated on, like, one thing.
00:09:08.820 Mm-hmm.
00:09:09.820 I would, you know, just be obsessed.
00:09:12.760 Like, I really like the Nerf guns growing up.
00:09:16.080 Uh-huh.
00:09:17.360 Um, you know, so I wasn't like, oh, let me just get one of these.
00:09:20.460 I had to have, like, 50.
00:09:22.180 Mm-hmm.
00:09:22.500 It was kind of, like, my personality trait.
00:09:25.860 Kind of a collector?
00:09:27.420 No, just, like, hyperfixated on it.
00:09:29.720 Okay.
00:09:30.800 And then I got a job when I was really young working for this company, Lime Scooters.
00:09:39.100 Oh.
00:09:39.660 And I would charge them up every single day and then I'd wake up at 6 in the morning and
00:09:46.000 I'd have to put them out.
00:09:47.640 Mm-hmm.
00:09:47.820 Um, I was doing that when I was in 7th grade, so I would have been, like, 12.
00:09:51.500 Mm-hmm.
00:09:51.940 Okay.
00:09:52.760 You know, so that was my first job and I was just doing that a lot.
00:09:55.900 Okay.
00:09:56.240 Yeah, trying to money max.
00:09:58.020 Okay.
00:09:58.780 What did you want to buy when you were in 7th grade?
00:10:01.620 Well, my parents basically, like, cut me off when I was around that age in terms of money.
00:10:07.420 So, just, like, paying for food and, like, uh, stuff like that.
00:10:12.500 Wait, your parents wouldn't pay for food when you were in 7th grade?
00:10:15.540 Uh, well, there would be, like, food in the house.
00:10:17.820 But, like, if I wanted to, like, you know, get food while I was at school or something
00:10:21.740 like that.
00:10:22.100 Gotcha, okay.
00:10:22.720 You know?
00:10:23.500 Pocket money.
00:10:25.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:10:25.940 So, like, you know, there'd be stuff to eat most of the time if I wanted it.
00:10:30.840 But if I wanted to go to, like, you know, McDonald's or something.
00:10:33.540 Right, right.
00:10:34.000 Gotcha, gotcha.
00:10:35.200 Um, Clave, when did you first become aware of wanting to look different than you did?
00:10:38.660 Uh, well, I would say around the time I got into the gym.
00:10:43.620 I just didn't really have, like, improving my face in mind necessarily.
00:10:49.140 Mm-hmm.
00:10:49.500 You know?
00:10:51.740 Um, and one thing I've been thinking about is, like, people have been trying to improve
00:10:57.620 their looks for a really long time.
00:10:59.100 Mm-hmm.
00:10:59.400 Like, yeah, it's sort of more expected of women. 0.92
00:11:04.080 But the modern dating market, essentially everyone is always trying in some way to improve
00:11:07.820 some aspect of themselves.
00:11:09.080 Sure.
00:11:09.200 In particular their looks.
00:11:10.500 What is it about your vision of improving your looks that's different from what's come
00:11:14.020 before?
00:11:14.600 I mean, you're very overt about it and it's a whole shtick.
00:11:18.040 It's a whole thing.
00:11:19.040 But how is it different than just, like, okay, I, you know, I'm trying to get in shape.
00:11:23.300 You know, I'm trying to, take me through it.
00:11:25.960 Well, it's a lot more in-depth and sort of, like, pushing the limits on things, right?
00:11:32.360 So, um, for example, getting lean would be a form of looks maxing.
00:11:37.160 But my form of, of that would be taking something like a GLP-1 agonist, like raditrutide, in
00:11:43.280 order to get lean, like, extremely quickly.
00:11:45.860 Mm-hmm.
00:11:46.180 Or, like, you know, DMP, like the mitochondrial uncoupler that's literally used to make dynamite
00:11:52.920 to lean max, like, stuff like that.
00:11:55.580 So just, you know, taking things a step further to get to the result quicker is sort of what
00:12:03.740 I do.
00:12:05.220 So in some ways what you're saying is if you start with a goal in mind, you're just doing
00:12:09.040 the most rational thing to get there as fast as possible.
00:12:11.960 Yeah.
00:12:12.240 It's like you can walk and get to a destination, but why wouldn't you drive?
00:12:15.480 You know, like, that's kind of how I think about it.
00:12:17.100 I also wonder, like, you talk about reddit, how do, what's reddit?
00:12:22.020 Redditrutide.
00:12:22.680 Redditrutide.
00:12:23.600 I know it's in, um, clinical trials right now.
00:12:26.600 Yes.
00:12:27.280 Like, this is something that some huge percentage of Americans are going to be on anyway.
00:12:31.500 And I kind of wonder.
00:12:32.120 They already are.
00:12:32.800 They already are.
00:12:33.400 About, like, 15% of Americans?
00:12:36.140 Are on a GLP-1.
00:12:37.260 Yeah, yeah.
00:12:37.620 But reddit, which is, I think, more effective than ozempic and wigivian, the ones that are already
00:12:40.940 on the market.
00:12:41.820 Yeah.
00:12:42.040 Like, maybe in some ways you're just ahead of the curve.
00:12:44.680 Like, people are going to be on these drugs anyway.
00:12:47.000 Well, yeah, it's not FDA approved.
00:12:48.620 The reddit, so it's technically a research chemical right now.
00:12:52.080 Mm-hmm.
00:12:52.660 Um, but yeah, it's a triple agonist, whereas ozempic is a single agonist.
00:12:57.840 Mm-hmm.
00:12:58.400 Right?
00:12:58.700 It only hits the GLP-1 receptor, but reddit would also target the GIP and glucagon receptors.
00:13:05.740 Got it.
00:13:06.080 Okay.
00:13:06.320 It sounds like you've gone pretty deep into the science.
00:13:08.300 Yeah.
00:13:09.060 Was science something you were into when you were in school?
00:13:11.240 Um, yeah, but not necessarily in the most traditional context, mostly like pharmacology, like the
00:13:19.860 way that drugs interact, uh, in your body, you know, agonizing and antagonizing receptors,
00:13:27.280 um, you know, things like that.
00:13:29.920 Mm-hmm.
00:13:30.140 Okay.
00:13:31.580 Um, what did you want to do when you grew up before you got this sort of career you're
00:13:35.820 doing now?
00:13:37.220 I had no idea what I wanted to do.
00:13:39.960 I pretty much never think, uh, more than like, you know, a week or two into the future.
00:13:46.820 Okay.
00:13:47.300 I kind of just go with the flow, so.
00:13:49.340 I find that hard to believe.
00:13:50.560 You have this, you have this plan for your face and body and you've executed it pretty
00:13:55.200 consistently over a long period of time.
00:13:57.440 Yeah.
00:13:57.800 But I don't really think that would, would mean that I think more than two years ahead of,
00:14:02.920 you know, it's just one looks max at a time was the way that I always thought about it.
00:14:05.960 It's like, okay, I'm going to do fat dissolvers.
00:14:08.620 Okay.
00:14:08.800 Now I finished that.
00:14:09.520 Now I'm going to do PDO threads and all simultaneously while I'm bone smashing.
00:14:15.160 So it's like, uh, I don't really think that that would, you know, be true.
00:14:21.400 Okay.
00:14:22.300 You know, pretty in the moment with everything.
00:14:24.800 Okay.
00:14:25.340 So just to give our sort of, you have to imagine someone reading this who's never heard of you
00:14:29.140 before has never heard of looks maxing.
00:14:30.740 Right.
00:14:31.540 Um, can you attempt, I know this might be incomplete, we can always follow up.
00:14:36.080 Okay.
00:14:36.320 Can you attempt to list every substance you've taken to looks max, every procedure you've
00:14:41.160 undergone for looks maxing and every action you've taken in pursuit of looks maxing?
00:14:44.840 I want to just list them all in a piece if I can.
00:14:47.620 Okay.
00:14:48.120 Maybe it would be better if we just, um, like sent email you over a list.
00:14:54.440 Sure.
00:14:54.920 Yeah.
00:14:55.320 I'll follow up with Mitchell.
00:14:56.280 I just think it'd be a really like, just to give people a sense of like how much work
00:14:59.440 it entails.
00:15:00.780 Yeah.
00:15:01.220 I mean, there's probably over like 50.
00:15:03.060 Okay.
00:15:03.560 Yeah.
00:15:03.800 Pharmaceuticals.
00:15:04.720 So that would be great.
00:15:06.320 Zero surgeries.
00:15:07.860 Yeah.
00:15:08.140 Zero.
00:15:08.680 You haven't had any surgery yet.
00:15:10.080 Okay.
00:15:10.320 Cause I know you were talking about the jaw thing.
00:15:12.420 Yeah.
00:15:12.600 I mean, I've, I've done like things like Botox and, uh, Aqualux and like those kind of
00:15:18.980 small time things, but no like actual surgery.
00:15:22.060 Okay.
00:15:23.940 Okay.
00:15:24.560 Not yet.
00:15:25.380 Um, what do you want to look like ultimately?
00:15:27.860 Like, is there a picture in your head?
00:15:29.160 Is it just a better looking version of you or is there some person in your mind?
00:15:34.240 So everything would be according to like objective facial measurements.
00:15:38.160 Okay.
00:15:38.540 So just kind of like, I would usually edit myself into like the ideal and see what I'd look like.
00:15:46.420 What's the ideal?
00:15:47.540 Well, I mean, there's just different, uh,
00:15:50.260 Just FYI, you keep on accidentally getting you to fellowship.
00:15:52.660 Okay.
00:15:54.000 I'll lean back.
00:15:55.100 Yeah.
00:15:55.720 Lean back, please.
00:15:56.800 Okay.
00:15:56.940 So for example, for each like facial ratio, so there'd be something like the eye separation
00:16:00.820 ratio, uh, which would be like the distance of, of your eyes relative to the distance of
00:16:06.180 your cheekbones.
00:16:07.000 And, uh, you know, the idea would be somewhere around like 0.46, right?
00:16:13.260 So, um, you just edit yourself into the idea, which means you could, um, you know, edit your
00:16:19.000 cheekbones a little bit wider, stuff like that.
00:16:21.140 For example, um, so you do this in Photoshop, you mean?
00:16:24.340 Yeah.
00:16:24.880 Okay.
00:16:25.400 So you could do that.
00:16:26.740 Um, to kind of get an idea of how you would look with like implants or whatever, and just
00:16:33.440 figure out what surgery, uh, surgical intervention would be needed to get into that ideal.
00:16:39.300 Okay.
00:16:39.880 When you talk about an ideal, like a facial ratio, right?
00:16:43.560 What is the sort of body of knowledge that you're drawing from?
00:16:46.100 I mean, who came up with these ratios?
00:16:47.960 I understand that your position is that it's objective, but where did, what's the sort
00:16:52.040 of, um, what's the standard?
00:16:54.780 I mean, who came up with it?
00:16:55.980 Well, so a lot of the ratios, like the midface ratio actually came from like ancient Greece.
00:17:01.720 Um, so these things have been around for a while.
00:17:04.960 Um, you know, so that those are, are, you know, very ancient, but a lot of the new age stuff
00:17:13.420 would be from like autists on forums, uh, you know, so let's kind of end, a lot of it's
00:17:21.460 done based on surveys, right?
00:17:24.560 Oh, so like internet surveys of rating attractiveness to me?
00:17:27.460 Yeah.
00:17:28.220 Okay.
00:17:28.540 That's interesting.
00:17:29.300 To conclude what's ideal.
00:17:30.500 There was something, this is way before your time, but when I was in high school, there was
00:17:33.300 a website called hot or not.com.
00:17:35.460 Have you ever heard of this?
00:17:36.480 No.
00:17:37.140 Very short history lesson.
00:17:38.340 Imagine a world with no smartphones.
00:17:40.360 It's just a website where you can upload a picture of yourself and you're served.
00:17:46.780 If you're consuming the website, you're served two photos and you just rate who's hotter.
00:17:51.120 And through an algorithm, it sort of lays out what you're scoring a scale of zero to 10.
00:17:56.460 This has been around since literally 2002.
00:17:59.420 It was a huge deal when it came out.
00:18:01.340 We didn't have anything like that before.
00:18:03.480 Yeah.
00:18:03.620 Um, even Facebook, when Facebook first started, it was a way for, um, Mark Zuckerberg to have
00:18:11.160 people rate the attractiveness of girls at Harvard.
00:18:14.000 No.
00:18:14.260 Yeah.
00:18:14.580 This stuff goes back.
00:18:16.120 You know?
00:18:16.620 Have you ever tried it?
00:18:18.200 What?
00:18:18.540 Rating attractiveness?
00:18:19.200 No, the putting yourself on the website.
00:18:21.620 In 2002?
00:18:22.840 Yeah, it did in 2002.
00:18:24.240 Everyone did.
00:18:24.720 What did you get?
00:18:26.420 Well, you have to remember this is 2002, so I'm 17 and I had a full head of hair.
00:18:30.160 Okay.
00:18:30.580 Somewhere in the sevens.
00:18:32.100 Sevens?
00:18:32.620 Not bad.
00:18:33.380 Well, you should have Dutaster I'd maxed.
00:18:36.200 You know?
00:18:36.900 Yeah, but the, um, we don't need to get too deep into this, but the potential side effects
00:18:41.880 or something I'm not willing to...
00:18:43.380 That's a cope.
00:18:44.620 Nocebo. 1.00
00:18:45.620 Garbage. 1.00
00:18:46.340 No, no, no. 1.00
00:18:47.400 Of, oh, for your dick? 1.00
00:18:48.960 Yeah. 1.00
00:18:49.560 Dude, that's the biggest nocebo cope ever, and that's with finasteride. 1.00
00:18:54.400 Like, the post-finasteride syndrome, yeah, it's like 1% of people get that, but DUT, yeah,
00:18:59.520 it's like, you know, really not that problematic.
00:19:02.340 But it would suck to be that 1%, right?
00:19:04.580 Well, I mean, that would only be acute, right?
00:19:07.740 While the drug is active, so...
00:19:09.960 Yeah.
00:19:10.140 If you get those side effects, worst case scenario, just stop taking the drug.
00:19:13.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:19:14.940 Um, okay.
00:19:16.940 Um, you mentioned autists. 1.00
00:19:19.440 I think you were talking about someone who's on the autism spectrum.
00:19:21.900 Yeah.
00:19:22.560 Um...
00:19:22.940 I know you've described yourself as an autist before.
00:19:28.600 Have you been diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum?
00:19:31.000 Okay.
00:19:31.240 It's more that you think you have certain personality characteristics that are...
00:19:35.980 Yeah.
00:19:36.820 ...seem autistic.
00:19:38.480 Yeah.
00:19:39.100 Can you tell me what those are, or like, what you mean when you say that?
00:19:41.820 Um, I would just say the way that I view the world in, like, a more objective manner rather
00:19:53.340 than, like, you know, thinking necessarily about, like, people's feelings and things of
00:19:59.220 that nature.
00:19:59.840 Like, it's very blunt.
00:20:01.020 Um, you know, in terms of, like, social cues and things like that, sometimes, and, you
00:20:08.800 know, like, uh, small talk, you know, it's not exactly the easiest thing for me.
00:20:14.320 Getting better, but...
00:20:16.580 Jester maxing?
00:20:18.040 At jester maxing?
00:20:19.140 Yeah, I'm getting better at that.
00:20:20.760 Can you define jester maxing? 0.53
00:20:22.740 Uh, basically just being, like, a clown for people's amusement. 0.87
00:20:26.180 Right? 0.95
00:20:26.760 The king has his jester.
00:20:28.500 Yes.
00:20:28.880 So, yeah, like, a lot of dudes will jester max, um, to try to get girls, and it's just, 0.98
00:20:34.620 like, make themselves look like a fool. 0.96
00:20:36.240 Yeah. 0.99
00:20:36.940 And it's just, like, it's so hard to watch that.
00:20:39.760 Yeah, yeah, okay.
00:20:40.600 You know?
00:20:41.420 Like, but the thing is, I'll jester max sometimes, because I'm, like, a live streamer, and, like,
00:20:46.520 I know what I'm doing.
00:20:47.560 Yes.
00:20:47.960 Because it's just, it's funny, it's silly, but, like, if you're jester maxing, like, and 0.99
00:20:52.340 you're just a normal guy, it's like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.91
00:20:55.140 Right, because to live stream, you have to entertain people. 0.98
00:20:57.940 Yeah.
00:20:58.340 It's like, I wore, like, a golden, like, shiny blazer, and, like, a top hat, a cane, 0.98
00:21:05.700 and I was, like, dancing like an idiot, making a fool of myself. 0.98
00:21:08.800 It's like, I know what I'm jester maxing, but. 1.00
00:21:10.760 Mm-hmm.
00:21:11.380 Okay.
00:21:11.820 It's a stream.
00:21:12.340 Um, I think one of the reasons people are, um, find you very fascinating is because of
00:21:19.740 this entire alternate vocabulary.
00:21:22.160 Yeah.
00:21:22.440 The mogging, the gesture maxing, all of it.
00:21:26.060 I mean, is this just from forums?
00:21:28.160 Like, is this essentially just forum speak in real life?
00:21:30.660 Like, and what do you think about it?
00:21:32.060 Why do you think it, so many people find it funny and interesting?
00:21:35.340 I think they find it funny and interesting because it's, uh, genuinely the way that I
00:21:41.040 talk, and it's not me forcing anything at all.
00:21:43.300 Mm-hmm.
00:21:43.600 Like, um, the other day, people, I was reading my chat, I said, uh, oh, let's, let's start 1.00
00:21:50.680 second floor maxing while we're at the mall, and people were just like, you're such an idiot, 0.99
00:21:56.120 dude, just say, go upstairs. 1.00
00:21:58.000 And I'm just thinking, like, I didn't even, like, it didn't even cross my mind when I said
00:22:02.560 that.
00:22:03.020 Mm-hmm.
00:22:03.320 Just the way that, that I talk, because, uh, in high school, I'd spend hours running on,
00:22:07.880 on forums, on looks max.
00:22:09.300 Mm-hmm.
00:22:09.620 Um, so yeah, that's basically what I'm, uh, accommodated towards, and it's like, when
00:22:16.040 I go on, uh, you know, podcasts and things, and, like, for example, I use, like, the word
00:22:20.360 subhuman, that's, like, an extremely, like, almost, like, vulgar term to use, but I don't
00:22:27.820 really think about it, because it, it just, I'm so desensitized to it, you know, just because
00:22:33.100 of, like, the way that I grew up, and a lot of, like, jokes, too, like, some of the
00:22:38.100 looks max that you would read would be, like, quite horrible, um, so just, like, it really
00:22:44.640 desensitized me down to everything.
00:22:46.560 So, I think that's a good place to talk to you about, sort of, like, N-word stuff, and
00:22:51.440 the Heil Hitler stuff. 0.85
00:22:54.680 Is that, some of that, just sort of, like, internet lingo, or, like, internet jokes come
00:22:58.780 to life a little bit, less than, like, any belief that you actually have?
00:23:02.360 Well, yeah, I'm not political at all.
00:23:05.220 Yeah, okay.
00:23:06.420 Yeah. 0.98
00:23:07.080 I f***ing hate politics. 0.96
00:23:08.280 I think, as I said, I'm not, no, also politics are jester. 0.92
00:23:13.980 Why are politics jester?
00:23:16.020 It's just a waste of time, right, to devote yourself to any political movement, and waste
00:23:23.060 your time, you know, watching different forms of media, and, you know, staying up to date 0.84
00:23:29.020 with current events, like, I can't think of anything more ridiculous, and more of a waste 0.88
00:23:34.220 of time. 0.58
00:23:35.160 It's like, you could be doing any looks max instead of, uh, gesturing on politics.
00:23:40.840 Mm-hmm, okay.
00:23:41.900 So, I think about it.
00:23:43.440 And yet, people seem to want you to have politics.
00:23:46.640 I mean, the viral moment from the Nulls interview was when you talked about Gavin Newsom and JD
00:23:51.880 Vance, and, I mean, it doesn't, it can't have escaped you that that was the thing that you
00:23:58.920 said that went sort of the most viral.
00:24:00.860 Why do you think people want you to have politics?
00:24:04.700 Um, I would say just because, like, you know, maybe people on the right want me to be, like, 0.75
00:24:14.460 their guy or something like that, or, you know, just f***ing me. 0.95
00:24:20.080 Because, uh, most people are political, right? 0.94
00:24:23.040 Mm-hmm.
00:24:23.640 But I'm, like, this sort of completely new way of thinking that's so apolitical and,
00:24:28.780 and so, uh, you know, like, self-oriented, like, that people don't really know how to
00:24:36.300 categorize it, so they're just, like, trying their best to figure out, like, what is this
00:24:39.480 guy talking about?
00:24:41.000 But, yeah, no, it's not political at all.
00:24:42.660 Okay.
00:24:42.940 And the thing about JD Vance, it wasn't, like, a political statement at all. 0.76
00:24:48.240 I was just saying that he's fat, you know? 0.94
00:24:51.360 I just don't like fat people. 0.97
00:24:53.320 Uh-huh. 0.99
00:24:54.480 They're repulsive.
00:24:56.080 I mean, one thing that Knowles didn't talk about when you were doing this whole thing about
00:25:00.800 Vance and, um, Newsom, the U.S. hasn't elected a bald president since Eisenhower, I think?
00:25:07.400 Of course, let's play a role in the way that people evaluate politicians.
00:25:12.040 They're public figures.
00:25:13.240 That seems obvious to me.
00:25:14.600 Yeah, very obvious.
00:25:15.040 You can say that to Knowles.
00:25:15.900 It's completely obvious.
00:25:17.080 Yeah, he was coping hard, um, in my opinion.
00:25:20.800 You know, you look at, like, the JFK, uh, example, and just to me, uh, how he, like, you
00:25:27.000 know, lost the debate, uh, on the radio and won on television.
00:25:32.260 Right.
00:25:32.520 That just seems like, you know, how could you deny this, bro?
00:25:37.680 Mm-hmm.
00:25:38.220 Okay.
00:25:38.920 This takes me to something else I want to ask you, Bob, which is, um, your version of looking
00:25:43.980 good, um, you've talked a lot about it in the context of dating apps, which is, like,
00:25:50.680 you know, looking at a screen, how someone appears on a screen.
00:25:54.020 And I wonder if you distinguish it all between looking good in person and looking good on a
00:25:58.520 screen, and how much your version of looks maxing is due to the fact that you grew up
00:26:03.820 with screens constantly around you.
00:26:06.460 Well, I would say that obviously looking good in person is way more important, right?
00:26:11.720 Mm-hmm.
00:26:12.420 Uh, so I don't understand the question necessarily.
00:26:15.080 Like, well, like, you, if you look good, you look good, and people will cope all the time
00:26:20.180 about, oh, lens distortion and, uh, bad lighting or whatever.
00:26:27.420 Mm-hmm.
00:26:27.740 But at the end of the day, if you don't really look good in motion and, uh, you know, regular
00:26:35.940 just outdoor settings when a camera hits you or candid pictures, you don't look good.
00:26:44.020 Right.
00:26:44.320 Okay.
00:26:45.180 Okay.
00:26:46.140 Um.
00:26:46.540 Well, that's a bad photo of me.
00:26:48.000 This, that, and the other.
00:26:48.800 It's like, yeah, you're just, you're just chopped. 1.00
00:26:52.760 You're just ugly. 1.00
00:26:55.420 Um. 1.00
00:26:57.560 How much you play a new character?
00:27:00.380 Um, well, on stream?
00:27:02.600 Yeah.
00:27:03.200 I would say that sometimes, yeah, obviously, like, when I'm doing, like, a jester max, like,
00:27:08.780 when I was dressed up as, like, the pimp in that one stream, um, yeah, that would be,
00:27:15.780 like, playing a character, 100%, but I think it's very obvious, and I make it very clear
00:27:20.860 when I'm being, like, ironic or, like, jester maxing.
00:27:25.920 Okay.
00:27:26.480 So.
00:27:27.040 But the basic clavicular, like, looks maxed guy is not a persona.
00:27:30.800 It's you.
00:27:32.640 Yeah.
00:27:33.040 So, like, when I'm doing interviews or long form, everything I'm saying is, like, 100%,
00:27:38.240 uh, you know, my belief set.
00:27:40.700 Okay.
00:27:41.340 So.
00:27:42.260 Okay.
00:27:43.480 Um.
00:27:45.360 I know we talked a little bit about this, about, um, how you don't think too far in advance,
00:27:51.000 but how much of this was planned?
00:27:52.560 I mean, I know there's people who look at your success, and I say, look at this kind of young 1.00
00:27:56.840 idiot who's, like, injecting himself with shit and, like, going to the club with, you 1.00
00:28:00.460 know, Sneeko or whatever. 1.00
00:28:01.460 But I've watched some of your old form videos, and I know how meticulous and thoughtful you
00:28:05.340 were about your appearance and about, um, essentially experimenting on yourself.
00:28:10.680 And, like, I wonder if you do have some sort of formula or some sort of set of rules for,
00:28:16.800 um, public life and how you've become famous.
00:28:20.080 Yeah.
00:28:20.600 I don't, I didn't plan on being famous at all.
00:28:24.220 You know, I've, I've posted videos for, people don't know this, like, three years on TikTok,
00:28:30.480 just kind of, like.
00:28:31.460 Memes, like, uh, um, from, like, Looksmax, and I would document, like, the things I was
00:28:39.220 doing on YouTube.
00:28:40.260 I never expected any of it to, uh, go viral or expect myself to become a public figure.
00:28:48.020 Uh, it kind of all happened by accident.
00:28:50.660 Because I went on a, a popular streamer's, uh, like, live stream, and, uh, no, it was, it was
00:28:59.960 someone named Cheezer.
00:29:01.460 Okay.
00:29:02.040 On Kik.
00:29:02.540 And I was basically just talking, like, in the, this, you know, pretty casual context, using the words and, like, rating people.
00:29:11.420 Mm-hmm.
00:29:12.360 And for some reason, people found it so entertaining.
00:29:15.860 And I, I don't really get it.
00:29:17.440 I don't get it at all.
00:29:18.720 Like, I don't think the things that I say or do are, are entertaining for the most part.
00:29:24.060 Like, I don't understand why people are so, uh, you know, gravitated towards my streams.
00:29:30.620 But, I'm like, okay, well, if you guys like this.
00:29:34.120 His name is Cheezer.
00:29:35.160 How do you spell it?
00:29:36.060 Uh, uh, it would be C-H-E-E-S-U-R. 1.00
00:29:41.660 Cheezer.
00:29:42.060 Okay.
00:29:42.920 Um, cool.
00:29:44.940 Um, I want to talk a little bit about women.
00:29:50.360 Um, let's do it.
00:29:53.000 I was curious about something you said to Knowles.
00:29:55.300 Um, you said that you weren't.
00:30:00.400 You weren't so much interested in having one-night stands as you are in slang.
00:30:04.440 And I took that to mean less necessarily having actual sex and more proving to yourself that you're good-looking enough to, or whatever, mogging enough to go home with that woman.
00:30:14.560 Is that true?
00:30:16.160 So, sorry, one-night stands in slang, that's the same thing.
00:30:19.120 Is there a distinction between... 0.99
00:30:22.100 Slang just means having sex with girls. 1.00
00:30:24.020 Okay, all right. 0.99
00:30:24.720 I wanted to be clear, because there was a, I thought there was, and this could be Knowles' being very ridiculous. 0.86
00:30:30.400 Yeah. 0.99
00:30:30.900 But I thought you were drawing some kind of distinction between having sex and basically proving in the club that you could have sex with a woman.
00:30:37.860 No, no, that was me saying, like, um, you know, just, like, yeah, I mean, but that wouldn't be slang necessarily. 0.81
00:30:46.280 Slang is actually when you would have sex with them. 1.00
00:30:48.240 Okay. 0.95
00:30:48.680 I was just saying it's a big time saver and almost, like, equally as redeeming to me to know that I could do it.
00:30:58.120 You know, that's, like, enough for me because, you know, I'm a busy guy.
00:31:02.100 I live stream for 10-plus hours.
00:31:04.260 I did 13 and a half hours yesterday.
00:31:06.200 Mm-hmm. 1.00
00:31:07.020 Do I have time to, um, waste having sex, which is going to gain me nothing with some stupid, uh, whore, you know, from the club? 1.00
00:31:18.600 Mm-hmm. 1.00
00:31:19.700 It just doesn't seem very logical to me.
00:31:21.600 But it's funny because, like, it's like you're only in competition with other men in that sense or, like, the women almost don't matter.
00:31:30.420 I'm almost in competition with no one because when I go to any club or if I go to any party, it's, like, you look at the footage nowadays with the status max that I've achieved.
00:31:42.940 Mm-hmm.
00:31:43.700 It's just, like, it almost feels, like, too easy, you know.
00:31:48.060 Like, it's just not, it's not really rewarding, you know, as it used to be.
00:31:54.820 Um, okay.
00:31:56.260 Are you having fun?
00:31:58.080 Yeah, I mean, I would say so.
00:32:00.400 I'd say, like, the nightlife stuff is getting stale.
00:32:03.620 Why?
00:32:04.780 I mean, I've been club maxing since I was, like, 16.
00:32:08.240 So when I have to go to clubs for streams or whatever, I'm basically just, like, standing there.
00:32:14.060 There's a ton of girls around me that promoters and just bring and, like, the girls that I know, I'm just, like, okay, we've done this for the fifth time this week, you know.
00:32:26.180 I feel like this is, uh, it's kind of lame.
00:32:29.200 So why do you do it?
00:32:31.120 Uh, because it makes me money.
00:32:33.700 How much money are you making?
00:32:35.780 I'm not answering that question.
00:32:37.280 Can you, um, I don't need a dollar amount.
00:32:43.120 Can you give me some sense somewhere?
00:32:45.960 Clab, don't.
00:32:46.440 Some order of magnitude?
00:32:48.300 Yeah, I'm not answering that.
00:32:49.580 Okay.
00:32:50.120 Can we sidebar about this after?
00:32:52.140 I'm not giving you an answer, but we can sidebar.
00:32:53.820 Okay.
00:32:55.400 Um, okay.
00:32:57.220 Well, um, the KCIP is public, so we can know that.
00:33:02.520 Okay, we'll give them that after.
00:33:04.160 KCIP?
00:33:04.640 Oh, if you know it off the top of your head, yeah.
00:33:07.980 Yeah, um, well, so KCIP partner pay, or KPP is what it would be called.
00:33:14.020 I always show that, um, I'm, like, pretty about, um, what I would make on there, and I'll show the dashboard.
00:33:23.180 I think in January it was, like, $133,000 from KCIP.
00:33:27.620 Okay.
00:33:27.860 And then add to that whatever partnerships or sponsorships, plus appearances, et cetera, et cetera.
00:33:34.800 Right, right, right.
00:33:35.380 Okay, cool.
00:33:36.680 Um, yeah, I'm not trying to, like...
00:33:38.140 No, no, I know, I know.
00:33:39.020 Yeah, yeah.
00:33:40.160 Oh, you're doing your job, man.
00:33:41.180 I get it.
00:33:41.740 Yeah.
00:33:41.980 We're all just doing our jobs.
00:33:43.640 Isn't it beautiful?
00:33:44.820 Right, yeah.
00:33:45.320 Okay, what's your vision of the good life?
00:33:47.760 Like, when you're 40, 45, 50, when you're my age, Mitchell's age, Cassie's, like, what do you want?
00:33:52.380 You're 19 years old.
00:33:53.620 You're good, obviously you're a good-looking guy, intelligent human being, but, like, what do you want 20 years from now?
00:33:58.620 You know, life is long.
00:33:59.420 Like I said, I'm a pretty in-the-moment guy.
00:34:04.300 I have no idea.
00:34:05.880 I kind of change sometimes my positions on things or, like, my mentality a good amount or, like, you know, like, a lot of my beliefs sort of have changed, like, with kind of how much status I've, you know, acquired.
00:34:23.860 Like, I used to give no credibility whatsoever towards, really, status and money, like, in terms of, like, being able to slay in your SMB.
00:34:36.700 Well, maybe not no.
00:34:38.580 SMB?
00:34:39.540 SMB, sexual market value. 1.00
00:34:41.360 Oh, right.
00:34:41.840 Okay.
00:34:43.100 So I would, yeah, like, you don't know what that is, dude?
00:34:46.840 I'm very big.
00:34:48.260 My market value is purely hypothetical.
00:34:50.120 Yeah, so, um, I would give little, um, you know, credibility towards that, but now that I have it, I'm like, okay, like, status is definitely helping me, uh, you know, get women.
00:35:02.800 Mm-hmm.
00:35:04.100 I don't know.
00:35:04.640 I would say that looks is, like, probably still one of the main drivers, but the status exposes me to a lot more people.
00:35:11.580 Okay.
00:35:12.020 So.
00:35:12.940 Um, tell me a little bit about the circus around you.
00:35:16.000 I mean, what, well, like, who, you know, you have a cameraman.
00:35:20.120 Um, there's guys who sort of, they seem like friends who regularly, like, what's your staff?
00:35:24.620 What's your crew right now?
00:35:26.520 I have a lot of people that work for me.
00:35:28.940 Um, this is behind the scenes.
00:35:31.760 I'm going to be honest.
00:35:33.100 If you're a streamer, you can't do it by yourself.
00:35:36.760 All right.
00:35:37.420 Any of, any streamers who are just starting out, that's why most of the time they'll never take office because they're trying to do on their Samsung phone, like, solo holding it like this.
00:35:49.620 It's, like, to be able to, like, be in contact with venues and organizing travel arrangements and stream the hours that I do never would be possible.
00:36:02.300 And I was trying to do it for a while and, um, you know, that's why I had, um, a lot of, like, you know, maybe stimulant, uh, like, overuse, I would say.
00:36:16.360 Mm-hmm.
00:36:16.700 It's because I was just so overworked, but now I have a lot of, you know, that kind of taken off my shoulders by having a bit of a team.
00:36:26.420 Like, what are the tasks that you used to have to do that you don't have to do anymore?
00:36:29.860 Well, just, like, all the creative stuff, like, coming up with ideas and segments, um, and, you know, like, finding, like, a temporary camera guy, like, if I wanted to do an IRL stream before, uh, I hired, you know, Kirk over here.
00:36:46.520 Yeah.
00:36:46.780 So, and, um, so, stuff like that was just, and calling up venues, planning, all that kind of stuff, just, yeah, trying to do that on my own was the worst.
00:36:59.180 Oh, so, Claire, you should explain to him how organized you are with your notion and everything.
00:37:02.200 I was going to ask, like, how planned out is it extreme for you?
00:37:06.080 Oh, my God, dude.
00:37:07.240 Tell me, take me through it in this much detail if you want.
00:37:09.500 Yeah, so, I'm extremely meticulous about all, like, the back ends.
00:37:15.900 Like, people don't realize, like, how much work goes into it and how many, like, people are actually working on my stuff, you know, so, um, yeah, we have, like, a notion set up where we're dumping ideas, like, my whole team.
00:37:30.540 And, um, you know, I've got a great producer who just started with me, um, who will, like, be very diligent about, you know, calling up places to make sure that we're, uh, having permission to film is a big one.
00:37:44.820 Because all the time, what used to happen is, I used to go to a place with my camera, oh, sorry, you can't film here.
00:37:50.780 And then it's like, what do I do now?
00:37:53.200 But make sure that never happens is important.
00:37:55.860 And it's a lot easier now that I have, um, a lot of status because people are like, oh, yeah, Clave, like, a lot of viewers, like, yeah.
00:38:03.660 But the dinner last night, uh, being free, they're like, oh, just shout us out, man.
00:38:08.300 And I'm like, okay.
00:38:09.340 Mm-hmm.
00:38:10.000 Mm-hmm.
00:38:10.320 Okay.
00:38:11.000 Yeah.
00:38:11.560 And sometimes, like, it almost gets to a point where you're doing these shout-outs, you're, like, doing, like, a value proposition.
00:38:18.820 It's like, okay, I've, like, you know, 12,000 people watching right now.
00:38:22.760 Like, is this really worth a shout-out, you know?
00:38:25.680 Um, yes, okay.
00:38:28.400 Um, how do you think about your audience?
00:38:30.540 I mean, how many people do you think there are, and I don't just mean people who are watching your stream, but, like, how many people are there who, like, are aware of you?
00:38:39.060 And then, like, how many people are there who are, like, take what you say super seriously about how to change your appearance?
00:38:45.900 Um, so I'd say, like, most of my female audience because my demographics have shifted, like, and I've gotten a lot more female attention.
00:38:54.220 Mm-hmm.
00:38:54.560 Um, they have really no idea, like, who I am.
00:38:59.240 They just know me from TikTok, and they know that I'm, like, the Lux Max guy.
00:39:04.920 Mm-hmm.
00:39:05.800 And, like, people were, the girls were telling me last night, they were, like, um, they said to me, you have no idea, like, how much influence you have over people.
00:39:15.440 Like, every single person is Lux Max.
00:39:18.860 You know, all the girls want to Lux Max, uh, all the guys, like, talk about you every day.
00:39:24.780 Um, and I was, like, okay, well, like, wow, like, I knew I was, like, a, a popular public figure, but I didn't know people were taking my stuff so seriously and being so influenced by it.
00:39:36.620 And I was, like, okay, well, that's pretty cool.
00:39:39.080 Mm-hmm.
00:39:39.420 You know, because I do think Lux Maxing is, uh, hugely a net positive.
00:39:45.380 Um, I think that there's certain Lux Max's that maybe I've done before that, uh, I wouldn't necessarily recommend to people.
00:39:56.320 Like what?
00:39:57.420 Um, like, maybe appetite, uh, suppressants with stimulants.
00:40:03.180 Mm-hmm.
00:40:03.620 Would be one that I wouldn't, like, uh, be very clear, like, you know, uh, don't do this when I'm being, like, fully unironic.
00:40:12.880 I wouldn't, I always advocate against, uh, stimulants, uh, all that kind of stuff.
00:40:19.060 It's like, yeah, I've memed in the past, like, oh, yeah, like, uh, meth for lean maxing.
00:40:23.980 But I was never, and, and I did that, right? 0.98
00:40:27.520 But I, I always say, do not do this sh**, this could ruin your life. 0.96
00:40:32.840 Um, you know, so. 0.99
00:40:35.260 Okay.
00:40:36.300 Um, I knew that Mitchell's gonna follow up with everything you've ever done.
00:40:41.980 Mm-hmm.
00:40:42.240 What's your stack right now?
00:40:44.080 Like, what do you take every day?
00:40:45.000 Yeah.
00:40:45.360 So right now I'm on a very low dose of test.
00:40:48.060 I'm on around, like, 220 milligrams.
00:40:50.820 Okay.
00:40:51.520 Uh, I've been, like, lowering my dose, uh, you know, throughout the past couple months.
00:40:56.780 Um, so that's, that's my dose.
00:40:59.440 Uh, I'm on 25 milligrams of Accutane.
00:41:02.740 I'm on 12 milligrams of Reditrutide.
00:41:06.100 I'm on 10 milligrams of Nibivilol.
00:41:09.120 What's that?
00:41:10.280 Uh, it's a beta blocker.
00:41:11.340 Okay.
00:41:12.960 Kind of even you out?
00:41:14.780 Even me out?
00:41:15.680 Yeah, I mean, what's the point of taking the beta blocker?
00:41:17.920 Uh, so it blocks the beta one and, uh, the beta two receptors, which, uh, you know, just
00:41:24.200 make it a little bit easier on your heart with, uh, the higher blood pressure and certainly,
00:41:29.080 like, you know.
00:41:30.460 Gotcha.
00:41:30.920 Okay.
00:41:31.120 So testosterone, Accutane, uh, Reda, Nibivilol, um, beta blocker.
00:41:37.380 Or, or the Nibivilol is a beta blocker.
00:41:40.080 Yeah.
00:41:40.660 Okay.
00:41:40.940 Because Nibivilol is more selective of the beta one receptor.
00:41:44.700 Okay.
00:41:45.020 Propranolol is another beta blocker people take.
00:41:48.240 Yeah.
00:41:48.420 That's the beta one and beta two, which blocks, like, a lot of the physical anxiety that you
00:41:55.180 could get, like, uh, hand tremors and sweating.
00:41:58.700 I know people take it before they use speeches sometimes.
00:42:00.680 Yeah, exactly, or before.
00:42:02.740 So that's a Luxmax that I've talked about before, is taking, uh, propranolol.
00:42:07.200 But the problem with propranolol is it ruins your motor unit recruitment in the gym.
00:42:11.700 So you have to be, and half-life is quite long, so you have to be quite diligent about
00:42:15.620 making sure that, uh, you take, take it at the right time.
00:42:19.160 Okay.
00:42:19.340 Especially right after you work out.
00:42:20.640 Okay.
00:42:21.180 So those four, is that it?
00:42:23.060 Anything else?
00:42:23.580 Oh, no.
00:42:24.320 Keep going.
00:42:25.160 Okay.
00:42:25.400 So, um, I'm also on 2.5 milligrams of minoxidil.
00:42:30.680 I do a lucky dip of, uh, dutasteride, which basically means I have dutasteride in, uh,
00:42:38.380 raw powder form, and I'll just dip my finger in the bag and take it, uh, like, once every
00:42:43.920 two weeks, because the half-life is so long that it really doesn't matter that much, and
00:42:48.560 like, when I'm travel-maxing, like, right now, I don't really have, uh, necessarily, like,
00:42:54.420 I don't bring a lot of, like, my medications.
00:42:56.840 Okay.
00:42:57.340 Unless it's prescribed.
00:42:58.540 Like, I only bring prescription stuff.
00:43:00.120 Okay.
00:43:01.460 Is that it?
00:43:02.880 No, no, no.
00:43:03.680 Keep going.
00:43:04.100 Keep going.
00:43:04.240 Um, so, I usually take melanotan 2.
00:43:07.820 I haven't taken it in, like, a little bit, but that's, I just want to make sure that that's
00:43:12.580 in there.
00:43:13.540 Um.
00:43:13.880 What's that?
00:43:15.080 Melanotan 2 agonizes something called your melanocortin receptors, uh, four of them,
00:43:20.500 to be exact.
00:43:21.340 And, um, that basically induces melanogenesis.
00:43:25.840 So, when you're exposed to UV, um, you know, you're, you're going to, uh, basically produce
00:43:31.780 melanin.
00:43:32.440 Yep.
00:43:32.680 At an extremely exacerbated rate.
00:43:35.020 Tan about a hundred times quicker.
00:43:37.380 So, helps you tan?
00:43:38.480 What's that?
00:43:38.900 Helps you tan?
00:43:39.840 Yes.
00:43:40.240 Okay.
00:43:40.760 Because UV is extremely aging.
00:43:43.000 Mm-hmm.
00:43:43.300 So, you want to limit your UV exposure as much as possible.
00:43:46.080 So, you want to tan in as short amount of time as possible, essentially.
00:43:48.720 Yeah, because UV is, is damaging.
00:43:50.680 Okay.
00:43:50.960 So, the, the, you, the melatonin 2, what else?
00:43:55.500 Melanotan.
00:43:56.080 Melanotan.
00:43:56.700 Apologies.
00:43:57.460 I do take melatonin 2.
00:43:59.020 That's a phenomenal antioxidant.
00:44:01.600 Um, it's taken in high doses.
00:44:03.960 And a lot of people think I'm memeing when I say taking 300 to 500 milligrams is phenomenal.
00:44:08.460 But before you sleep, or?
00:44:10.380 Well, yeah.
00:44:11.180 The, the problem is, like, when your receptors are sensitive, you're going to feel terrible
00:44:15.640 the next day doing that.
00:44:16.740 Mm-hmm.
00:44:16.940 But it's, it's an extremely good antioxidant for your liver, uh, and your brain.
00:44:21.460 Mm-hmm.
00:44:21.680 So, what you want to do is you want to down-regulate your receptors so that you're not going to,
00:44:26.980 you know, feel like the next day and feel all drowsy, but you're getting the antioxidant
00:44:31.000 benefit.
00:44:31.440 So, you'd want to do a tapered up dose towards that.
00:44:34.380 Okay.
00:44:34.600 Um, okay.
00:44:36.260 So, melatonin, keep going.
00:44:38.160 What else do you want?
00:44:39.280 Uh, I'll do a lot of L-glutathione.
00:44:41.300 So, that's another antioxidant that's already produced endogenously.
00:44:44.380 Mm-hmm.
00:44:44.680 And that helps with a lot of dopamine toxicity.
00:44:47.860 Mm-hmm.
00:44:48.120 That helps with any liver toxicity from drinking, uh, because, you know, I do like to, um, to,
00:44:56.320 to drink sometimes, and, uh, on Accutane, that's not necessarily the best thing for your
00:45:01.120 liver enzymes.
00:45:02.080 Mm-hmm.
00:45:02.400 That's a lot of oxidative stress.
00:45:04.460 So, I'll, I'll take the L-glutathione to prevent that.
00:45:07.820 Mm-hmm.
00:45:08.640 Okay.
00:45:09.020 I'll take NAD plus, uh, which is extremely good for the health of your cells.
00:45:15.760 Uh, it's good for your brain, and just one of the best regenerative compounds out there.
00:45:22.320 So, NAD is phenomenal.
00:45:24.420 Um, let's keep going through what else I would, I would use.
00:45:28.880 In terms of, of stack right now, that's all I'll take, but, you know, we could go through
00:45:35.080 some more stuff.
00:45:36.500 Do you take any peptides other than the, uh, other than Radeye?
00:45:39.600 MT2.
00:45:40.520 Okay.
00:45:40.800 That is a peptide.
00:45:41.980 Got it.
00:45:42.340 Okay.
00:45:42.520 Yeah.
00:45:43.000 Um, well, I guess we could go a little bit into, like, the, the important ones, just on the
00:45:47.760 interview, uh, that I've, I've done, like, recently, would be, like, HGH, right?
00:45:52.740 You have a lipolysis in, like, body recomposition.
00:45:56.300 So, uh, I'll do that.
00:45:58.320 And I use HGH while I was growing up, as well, for height maxing.
00:46:02.740 Okay.
00:46:03.260 Um, I've used also the peptide IGF-1, LR-3, um, like, pretty recently.
00:46:09.500 Mm-hmm.
00:46:09.800 Which is extremely good for, uh, your physique.
00:46:13.700 Okay.
00:46:13.980 Uh, I've used Anabar, because that down-regulates something called the glucocorticoid receptor.
00:46:20.480 Okay.
00:46:21.520 And that basically, uh, causes your adrenal glands to secrete cortisol.
00:46:26.720 I know you're very anti-cortisol.
00:46:28.700 I am.
00:46:29.460 Yeah.
00:46:30.380 Some of us rely on it to get things done.
00:46:32.680 Cortisol?
00:46:33.460 Yeah, I'm just kind of messing around, but yes.
00:46:35.920 Yeah.
00:46:36.580 I, well, I rely on stimulants.
00:46:38.860 And nootrophics, right?
00:46:42.240 Simax is another one.
00:46:44.340 Like, the thing is, we would be, like, here for hours if we actually talked about, like,
00:46:50.820 my full stack of things.
00:46:52.100 Because I don't just biohack in the context of luxmaxing.
00:46:56.300 I'm also, like, uh, you know, a cognition maxer.
00:47:01.720 So, I've got a very, like, fine-tuned nootropic stack.
00:47:07.020 I don't know if you want to hear about that or not.
00:47:09.600 But I'll just, like...
00:47:10.500 In the interest of...
00:47:11.440 Yeah, yeah.
00:47:11.740 I know I don't have you forever.
00:47:12.680 Yeah, yeah.
00:47:13.120 Um...
00:47:13.520 I don't want to...
00:47:14.020 I can get that from Mitchell, too.
00:47:15.880 Um...
00:47:16.520 That's the thing. 0.75
00:47:16.980 When I start talking about this stuff, I, you know, shoot my head off for... 0.98
00:47:21.580 Well, it's what you're f***ing about. 0.98
00:47:23.100 Makes sense. 0.80
00:47:23.960 Exactly.
00:47:25.540 Um...
00:47:26.140 You know, so, when I was getting, like, kicked out of school, for example...
00:47:31.100 Yes.
00:47:31.440 ...which we'll come back to...
00:47:32.760 Yeah, I do want to talk about that.
00:47:34.580 Um, for roids and, like, basically all the s*** that we're talking about... 0.98
00:47:39.620 Mm-hmm. 0.97
00:47:40.220 They had it in a room and they were like, okay, what the f*** is this? 0.97
00:47:43.940 Because no one's heard of most of the s*** that I'm taking, uh, before. 0.97
00:47:48.740 Obviously, you know, they've heard of, like, testosterone, but no one's heard of, like, 0.87
00:47:53.580 pre-gabalin or baclofen. 0.96
00:47:56.680 So, they're asking me, like, what the f*** is this?
00:47:59.800 And I'm, like, explaining the mechanisms of each thing. 0.84
00:48:03.360 And they're, uh, I think we're...
00:48:04.520 I was sitting there explaining, uh, every single thing in detail.
00:48:09.160 And they're, like, trying to take notes.
00:48:11.200 Like, what I'm talking about.
00:48:13.080 Just shooting my head off for, like, three hours.
00:48:15.800 Wait, okay, so, just bring me through this whole thing.
00:48:17.720 Where were you in school?
00:48:19.760 Um...
00:48:20.320 I just, uh, maybe...
00:48:22.480 Don't want to talk about that right now.
00:48:24.620 Can you tell...
00:48:25.460 Can we go off the record for a minute?
00:48:27.580 I mean, oh, right, we're streaming.
00:48:29.540 After we're off the stream, maybe we can talk about it?
00:48:31.560 Yeah.
00:48:31.860 Because I just need to...
00:48:32.980 I don't need to tell the viewers.
00:48:34.420 I guess we just...
00:48:35.140 Sacred Heart.
00:48:35.820 I went to Sacred Heart.
00:48:36.580 Okay.
00:48:36.860 Fair enough for me.
00:48:37.600 Okay.
00:48:38.620 I don't...
00:48:39.040 Yeah. 0.93
00:48:40.000 I forgot that literally every single thing is pretty much s***.
00:48:44.040 So, it doesn't really s*** matter that much. 0.68
00:48:46.160 All right.
00:48:46.500 I mean, again, it's not...
00:48:47.820 It's just more so I can, in fact, check it up for myself.
00:48:50.540 Yeah.
00:48:51.400 Okay.
00:48:51.800 So, you were there as a college freshman.
00:48:53.580 Mm-hmm.
00:48:53.760 You fully moved into dorms.
00:48:55.500 Right.
00:48:56.280 So, you've been there for...
00:48:57.820 Because I was watching the video you reported right after you got kicked out.
00:49:01.380 Yeah.
00:49:01.520 Which is October.
00:49:02.380 So, this happened fast.
00:49:03.960 Yeah, dude.
00:49:04.440 That was a case trip.
00:49:05.700 No, no, no, no.
00:49:06.540 So, that video was...
00:49:08.200 Okay.
00:49:08.520 So, I got basically caught with my pants down.
00:49:12.900 Um, all the roids.
00:49:14.600 Wait, wait.
00:49:15.000 But why were they in your room in the first place?
00:49:19.140 Plenty of college students have drugs in their room.
00:49:21.260 Yeah.
00:49:22.100 What do you...
00:49:22.640 I'd say all.
00:49:23.560 All of them.
00:49:25.080 Like, so...
00:49:26.100 Yeah.
00:49:26.440 I don't know.
00:49:27.020 Maybe some sort of Fourth Amendment violation too good have taken place.
00:49:31.320 The fact that I got back and there was all these cops in my room.
00:49:34.380 Got back from where?
00:49:35.700 From, uh, either the cafeteria.
00:49:39.080 Okay.
00:49:40.160 Uh, so...
00:49:41.000 And there's police inside your room?
00:49:42.900 Campus police.
00:49:43.880 Okay.
00:49:44.480 Yeah.
00:49:45.640 And, um, yeah, they basically found my bag of steroids.
00:49:50.660 And I'm like...
00:49:51.300 You're talking about anabolic steroids at this point.
00:49:53.460 Yeah.
00:49:54.020 Okay.
00:49:54.340 So, what's the trend?
00:49:56.160 I had trend.
00:49:57.340 I had testosterone.
00:49:58.580 Okay.
00:49:59.100 But the issue is I had so much of it that when they came the next day...
00:50:04.380 Well, what happened was, was quite...
00:50:06.640 The way that they did it is they took it.
00:50:08.260 They confiscated everything.
00:50:09.800 They're like, we'll be in touch.
00:50:11.120 You know what I'm like? 1.00
00:50:11.420 Oh, fuck. 1.00
00:50:12.440 So, I'm, uh, sitting there for a day. 1.00
00:50:14.840 Like, I'm going on with my, my buddies.
00:50:17.320 I'm like, dude, guys.
00:50:18.900 Like, I'm definitely here.
00:50:20.820 Um, you know?
00:50:22.020 So, they're like, they're like, oh, man.
00:50:24.360 So, I just go about my days.
00:50:25.980 And I'm like, I don't really know what to do here.
00:50:28.160 Um, I was basically just, like, I think immediately after I got taken, I went to the, I went to the campus doctor.
00:50:36.940 And I tried to get her to prescribe me testosterone.
00:50:39.600 And she wasn't.
00:50:40.280 I was like, do you realize that I'm going to go hypogonadal and you're going to ruin my life if you don't prescribe me testosterone?
00:50:48.280 And she wouldn't do it.
00:50:49.680 But they're giving, um, like, trannies testosterone every single day, like, when they're, they're 10 years old. 1.00
00:50:56.940 You know?
00:50:57.440 That's not even a political statement.
00:50:59.580 You know?
00:50:59.920 I don't care about, I don't care about that at all.
00:51:01.660 I'm just saying, like, I should also be able to get testosterone.
00:51:05.020 I mean, it's interesting when you talk about the concept of gender affirming care.
00:51:11.620 Because you're essentially trying to look more like some vision of a man in your head.
00:51:16.060 I mean, it's not.
00:51:16.860 Yeah, like, I'm dimorphism maxing, for sure.
00:51:19.400 Yeah.
00:51:20.880 Yeah, that's why people ask me about that all the time.
00:51:23.640 And I'm like, um, yeah, I think it's, like, not exactly, like, what I would.
00:51:29.420 Obviously, I'm trying to lux max in, like.
00:51:31.780 Yes.
00:51:32.080 Just stay with the traditional aesthetic, you know, of, and not necessarily do that.
00:51:39.960 That's just not something I actified my brain with.
00:51:42.540 Like, I don't, I don't care.
00:51:43.740 Like, you saw how, how fed up Michael Knowles was getting?
00:51:47.300 Yeah. 0.94
00:51:47.700 About trannies. 1.00
00:51:48.760 And I'm like, dude, you need to chill.
00:51:52.440 You need to chill, brother.
00:51:54.580 You could be worrying about so much better things.
00:51:56.540 And I told him, like, bone smashing.
00:51:57.740 Well, you're in a tradition that's interesting, that's a body modification tradition, which
00:52:04.460 is that for a very long time in the U.S., post-Second World War, certainly, there's people who've
00:52:09.980 done extreme things to their bodies.
00:52:11.900 And you may not see it this way because you have this kind of idea in your head as a, you
00:52:16.800 know, to look, you know, objectively or aesthetic or whatever.
00:52:19.700 Yeah.
00:52:20.160 But people who did really crazy piercings, people with body art all over their bodies.
00:52:25.100 I mean, this has been a subculture in America for a really, really long time.
00:52:28.460 Well, that's just a different form of autism, I would say.
00:52:34.040 Okay.
00:52:34.780 I want to bring it back to mental illness. 0.99
00:52:37.480 I would say almost.
00:52:38.960 Do you think of a mental illness?
00:52:40.060 Um, no, I think I'm, I'm different in terms of, uh, you know, the way that I think.
00:52:49.840 I would say it's just more of a neurodivergence than a mental illness.
00:52:53.360 Okay.
00:52:54.100 Um, I don't think being a normie is good.
00:52:56.000 I think I'm very happy with my brain chemistry and my vision on the world.
00:53:00.700 I think it's one of the best gifts ever, um, you know, that I'm able to have this.
00:53:07.380 Mm-hmm.
00:53:08.460 Okay.
00:53:09.160 Um, I, you've been extremely generous with your time.
00:53:11.680 I just, I want to come back to the college thing.
00:53:13.740 So you had just started college.
00:53:16.140 You've gone to class.
00:53:17.080 You come back.
00:53:17.680 There's campus police in your room who are seizing your stash, essentially.
00:53:20.640 Yeah.
00:53:20.820 Who called them?
00:53:21.640 Why were they there?
00:53:22.600 So I was, um, a big forum poster.
00:53:26.000 Mm-hmm.
00:53:26.520 And I was, like, one of the most eloquent writers, um, you could ever encounter on there.
00:53:34.880 And I was, like, basically writing threads, uh, every single day on, like, my life.
00:53:42.520 Like, blog posting, pretty much.
00:53:45.000 And I would go into extreme detail.
00:53:48.240 I would always put a lot of, like, you know, stuff I would record.
00:53:53.740 Um, explaining, like, sort of my nights out was mostly what I was talking about.
00:53:58.360 My experiences at the club.
00:54:00.220 Mm-hmm.
00:54:00.460 And, um, you know, I also had made threads, uh, talking about, and I would usually include,
00:54:07.940 like, the stack I took that night.
00:54:09.520 Mm-hmm.
00:54:10.100 Or I would write threads that were about, like, my steroid cycle.
00:54:13.580 Mm-hmm.
00:54:13.960 So I've just been, like, very, ever done.
00:54:16.400 Mm-hmm.
00:54:16.940 For, like, forever.
00:54:18.280 Um, like, I've never been one of those guys growing up who was, like, a fake natty or whatever.
00:54:23.780 As soon as I started steroids, I, I was, like, very open about it.
00:54:27.160 Okay, so you're on this community a lot.
00:54:30.080 You're a character in the community, essentially.
00:54:32.240 Yeah.
00:54:32.700 I would argue that I was probably, like, the main character.
00:54:36.520 Okay.
00:54:37.500 On that.
00:54:38.000 On Luxmax.org?
00:54:39.380 Yeah.
00:54:39.840 Okay.
00:54:40.620 And, and someone sent in all of my threads to my school.
00:54:45.200 Why?
00:54:46.600 That's just.
00:54:47.380 Isn't this your community?
00:54:48.320 Why would they do that to you?
00:54:50.180 Exactly.
00:54:51.340 You know, they betrayed me.
00:54:53.800 No, that's just, uh, that's just sort of how it, how it works.
00:54:57.140 Um.
00:54:57.860 Were you pissed off?
00:54:59.800 No.
00:55:01.900 I was just like, oh, okay, well, I guess this is, uh, you know, this is what, this is happening.
00:55:08.080 Okay.
00:55:08.500 I didn't, I didn't really have any reaction towards it.
00:55:11.180 Did they expel you, or did they just say?
00:55:13.200 So what they said was, they said, uh, okay, you have to leave campus right now.
00:55:18.340 We're going to conduct an investigation, uh, to see, like, what the hell's going on.
00:55:23.800 Because, once again, all the s*** that I had, they were like, what the s*** is going on, pretty much. 0.65
00:55:31.680 Yeah. 0.94
00:55:32.260 Um, and all the steroids I had.
00:55:34.380 And the thing is, the reason I had all the steroids was not to sell, uh, the roids, you know?
00:55:40.020 Uh, it was because it was simply so cheap, and, uh, kits of steroids are sold in 10.
00:55:47.720 Yes.
00:55:48.780 That's, that's the reason I had it.
00:55:50.560 It was cheap, and you were buying in bulk.
00:55:52.040 I don't, it's not crazy.
00:55:53.200 Exactly.
00:55:53.740 So, yeah, no, I was, uh, never doing anything like that.
00:55:56.980 Uh-huh.
00:55:57.480 Um, it was all for, for my personal use.
00:56:01.180 Yes.
00:56:01.700 And so, they just were like, okay, well, we have to verify this. 0.84
00:56:04.700 So, I'm sure conducting interviews with people in my dorm, like, hey, did this guy try to sell you steroids, s***, like that.
00:56:11.600 Um, so, they're conducting this interview, and I guess they determined that, uh, I wasn't, or, or something.
00:56:19.300 And then, um, basically, they were, were telling me, like, on the meetings, like, I was like, am I going to be reinstated or not?
00:56:29.520 And they're like, oh, we gotta wait, we gotta wait.
00:56:31.260 So, I was waiting for a decision for, um, like, a pretty long time.
00:56:37.760 That's why I didn't make that video until October.
00:56:40.320 Okay.
00:56:40.500 But, finally, it was, yeah, sorry, we're not going to reinstate you.
00:56:46.820 Um.
00:56:47.300 Wait, so when did they, when was the, when did they seize it?
00:56:50.620 Three weeks, or maybe less, maybe like two weeks into school.
00:56:53.900 It was in September.
00:56:55.300 Okay.
00:56:55.800 So, I was, uh.
00:56:56.980 You were.
00:56:57.780 I lasted, pretty much.
00:56:59.480 Yes, okay.
00:57:00.020 Um, I just have a couple more for you.
00:57:01.940 I would have dropped out anyway, though.
00:57:04.140 Wait, but did you go straight from, like, did the streaming thing take off right when you stopped school?
00:57:10.700 Like.
00:57:10.940 No, I was, uh, I was a wage cut for a year.
00:57:14.140 Or, no, not a year.
00:57:15.540 About, uh, like, six months.
00:57:19.340 Okay.
00:57:19.620 But, no, I, I, I pretty much wage cut for my entire life, like, really hard, like, all the time.
00:57:27.020 So, I always had a decent amount of, of income.
00:57:29.840 Mm-hmm.
00:57:30.480 Okay.
00:57:30.840 And then you, you happened to be on this Cheez's stream, and that's when things really took off.
00:57:36.780 Cheez's stream, yeah, but that was, that was, like, a few months ago.
00:57:40.340 Right.
00:57:40.700 Because it does seem like things have really.
00:57:42.640 So, I got kicked at school.
00:57:43.420 The curve is, like, like, back.
00:57:45.520 Yeah.
00:57:45.720 So, I got kicked at school in, uh, 2024.
00:57:48.380 September 2024.
00:57:50.280 Yes.
00:57:51.160 And, um, then I was a wage cut once again, like, at a, at a restaurant for, um, like, pretty
00:57:59.520 much five months until about February.
00:58:04.160 Mm-hmm.
00:58:04.800 Um, I started, I, I've been posting on social media forever, but I started taking it serious
00:58:10.820 around February, making informational content about what I was doing.
00:58:15.220 Because I was writing all this stuff on Luxmax, and I wasn't really getting it, because it's
00:58:20.440 such a tight, you know, community.
00:58:22.360 So, I was like, okay, let me just do TikTok, see how it goes.
00:58:25.100 So, I would stand in front of a whiteboard, and I would explain the Luxmaxes I'm doing,
00:58:30.480 explain Luxmaxes and, you know, different mechanisms of pharmaceuticals.
00:58:34.740 Mm-hmm.
00:58:34.960 People loved my content.
00:58:36.840 Um, I basically spent, uh, that entire year, like, on, um, all, like, the, the grifters,
00:58:45.220 uh, who would just, like, come in and, like, make up retarded, that, that doesn't work, 0.91
00:58:51.360 like, um, you know, stupid, jaw exercises, and, like, Masai Jumps was another big one. 0.99
00:58:59.980 Mm-hmm. 0.99
00:59:00.280 Um, and I was like, dude, are we serious? 0.98
00:59:03.580 Um, yeah, so I was like, this is the most ridiculous thing ever.
00:59:07.400 Uh, I hate that the community that, uh, I spent so much time in has become, like, such a joke,
00:59:14.540 um, with, with all these ridiculous methods, um, where people were doing, like, there was
00:59:21.580 another one that was so silly, like, where you go, like, up with your eyebrows, down with 0.56
00:59:26.000 your, and it's like, you can get, hunt your eyes or something, and I was like, man.
00:59:30.000 So, I would just basically debunk all of these guys' copes, and make my own content, and people
00:59:35.860 really liked that.
00:59:36.680 I, I mean, I, uh, got a pretty decent following, um, right away, because I was already known
00:59:41.920 on the forums.
00:59:42.960 Mm-hmm.
00:59:43.140 So, I got to, like, 70k on TikTok, and this was in, like, February, or late February, early
00:59:50.640 March, um, and then I, I finally got my first sponsorship.
00:59:55.860 Okay.
00:59:56.140 Which was, uh, Base Body Works.
01:00:00.280 Shout out to Lance and Alucard.
01:00:02.400 Um, so, I, I did that, and that, uh, basically made me decide I'm quitting my job, because I
01:00:09.920 made more money.
01:00:11.020 I was like, once I make 10k a month, I'm gonna quit my job.
01:00:14.540 Mm-hmm.
01:00:15.360 So, I did that, um, very quickly. 0.99
01:00:19.140 I was like, this shit, I'm out, I just stopped showing up for my shows. 0.98
01:00:23.300 You were working as a waiter, or? 1.00
01:00:24.400 Yeah, a waiter, and, um, I would be a security guard at night.
01:00:29.340 At a restaurant in Chatham?
01:00:30.680 Yeah.
01:00:31.160 Okay.
01:00:32.320 Um, cool.
01:00:33.180 Okay, like, two more questions.
01:00:34.760 Um, Mitchell sent me something very interesting this morning.
01:00:39.500 I don't know if you've seen this.
01:00:40.920 Okay.
01:00:41.320 Um, the Department of War tweeted a meme.
01:00:46.980 The Department of War?
01:00:48.160 Yeah, they re-, you know, they renamed, um, the Department of Defense the Department of
01:00:51.760 War.
01:00:52.540 That's like a, um, um, it's a, sort of Trump White House thing.
01:00:57.540 Um.
01:00:58.940 What a coke.
01:00:59.600 Um, without a maxing.
01:01:04.500 Well, dude, they got the two, yeah, I don't know why people put two X's in it.
01:01:08.000 That's, that's coke.
01:01:09.360 How many X's should it be?
01:01:10.520 One.
01:01:11.740 Why do you, why should it only be one?
01:01:14.460 That's just how it always was.
01:01:16.020 The two X's is, um, you know, for, for fake cells.
01:01:20.700 Why is it coke?
01:01:22.240 It's not coke, it's just for, for fakers, LARPers. 1.00
01:01:25.940 Okay.
01:01:27.060 Um, do you think more broadly, what that makes you wonder is, do you think you should have
01:01:31.020 that kind of influence over culture?
01:01:33.060 Yes.
01:01:34.900 Why?
01:01:37.000 Um, because it's something that, uh, I, I spent years committed to.
01:01:43.720 Mm-hmm.
01:01:44.460 And the, you know, uh, I, because I, I truly did it for the love of the game.
01:01:51.020 For years, like nothing was monetized.
01:01:55.060 I was just doing all these posts and for, you know, the community, I was writing, I was
01:02:01.820 spending hours writing like informational guides, like, you know, trying to explain different
01:02:07.780 Lux Max's and, you know, you could go through my old threads and see how, how in depth they
01:02:13.360 were, um, you know, showing off what I did.
01:02:16.200 I was like, in 2024, I was basically the lab rat of the Lux Max community doing, I, any 0.99
01:02:23.280 and everything to try to ascend.
01:02:25.200 I, I really didn't care about, uh, any risks.
01:02:27.920 Like I would do, uh, Botox myself.
01:02:30.600 Um, which could have caused me to have fake paralysis, but I just didn't care.
01:02:35.420 Mm-hmm.
01:02:36.020 I was like a sender, die trying.
01:02:38.240 So, most of the Ascension happened in 2024?
01:02:43.060 I would say that.
01:02:44.060 Just looking at pictures of you, it does seem like it's accelerated in the past, like, two
01:02:48.900 years.
01:02:49.700 I would say that, uh, I did the hardest probably, uh, like in the fall of this year, actually.
01:02:58.360 Okay.
01:02:58.620 Because I had never really been as, as lean as I was now.
01:03:02.940 Mm-hmm.
01:03:03.480 I had always been like a gym cell where I was like, um, like bulking and, you know, blasting
01:03:10.920 more gear, which bloats your face and makes you retain more sodium.
01:03:15.820 So, I was always, uh, sort of descended from that.
01:03:19.760 Mm-hmm. 0.97
01:03:20.360 And then I basically said, okay, f*** this, kind of stopped going to the gym and mostly 0.97
01:03:26.420 focused on like caloric restriction and lean maxing, doing cardio. 0.98
01:03:31.620 Mm-hmm.
01:03:32.280 And I got shredded and I got tan and it boosted my S&V significantly.
01:03:37.600 And I, I blew up on TikTok before I blew up Stream Egg, just because I got a lot better
01:03:43.200 looking.
01:03:43.800 And people were like, wow, like Clav's Ascension, uh, is crazy.
01:03:47.560 And I was like, well, guys, this is what you can do with two peptides, right on MT2.
01:03:52.920 Okay.
01:03:53.820 Um, okay, last thing I want to ask you, give me some statistics.
01:03:57.120 I think it'd be great to leave this piece with like, clavicular is this tall, weighs this
01:04:01.880 much, has a this inch waist, you know, all those different things. 0.90
01:04:04.600 And they get more and more specific. 0.96
01:04:06.420 So, start talking about like different crazy ratios and s***. 0.74
01:04:09.460 So, how, how tall are you? 0.96
01:04:10.760 I'm six foot two.
01:04:11.700 Six foot two.
01:04:12.200 How much do you weigh?
01:04:13.480 180 pounds.
01:04:14.600 Okay.
01:04:15.520 Um, how, what's your waist?
01:04:17.200 How many inches?
01:04:17.820 31.
01:04:18.380 31 inch waist.
01:04:19.920 Do you know any other measurements off the top of your head?
01:04:22.360 Yeah.
01:04:23.060 Right now my bideltoid is only 21 inches.
01:04:26.860 Bideltoid is?
01:04:28.060 Shoulder to shoulder.
01:04:29.140 Okay.
01:04:30.320 Uh, and there's also the, uh, biachromial width.
01:04:34.640 What's that?
01:04:35.480 Uh, from your shoulder blade, shoulder blade.
01:04:38.580 Okay.
01:04:39.060 What's that?
01:04:39.560 The, the joint.
01:04:40.220 Um, I believe that's around 19.5 inches.
01:04:46.340 Okay.
01:04:46.860 To remeasure that.
01:04:48.000 What about your face?
01:04:49.520 My face?
01:04:50.140 Well, my mid face ratio would be 1.07.
01:04:54.180 1.07.
01:04:55.140 And what does that mean?
01:04:57.440 So that means that this is between your eyes and the commissures of your lips.
01:05:02.920 All right.
01:05:03.280 So right here.
01:05:04.140 Okay.
01:05:04.880 That would be, uh, 1.07.
01:05:07.420 Okay.
01:05:07.900 So my mid face is a little bit short.
01:05:10.060 It should be.
01:05:10.840 Meaning you want, you, in an ideal world it would be a little, you'd stretch it out a little bit.
01:05:14.740 Very slick.
01:05:15.280 Like with a character creator and role playing games.
01:05:17.320 So I would do that on, yeah, this is like the kind of stuff I do in Photoshop.
01:05:20.400 And that could be done with something called a Lafortu down graft.
01:05:23.440 What's that?
01:05:24.420 Um, that's basically an osteotomy that is above your nasal bridge right here.
01:05:29.920 But they cut your upper maxilla. 0.99
01:05:32.220 Mm-hmm.
01:05:32.680 And then you can move it forward and down.
01:05:35.380 Okay.
01:05:35.880 So that would extend my mid face ratio.
01:05:37.820 And that's what I wanted to do.
01:05:39.140 Okay.
01:05:39.500 But they weren't going to do that for me.
01:05:41.460 Okay.
01:05:41.860 Do you know any other measurements off the top of your head?
01:05:44.040 Well, I know all of them.
01:05:45.080 Give me another one, ma'am. 1.00
01:05:45.920 My eye separation ratio, the ESR, is 0.48.
01:05:53.420 Okay.
01:05:54.860 Got one more for me?
01:05:56.500 Yeah, sure.
01:05:56.940 My chin to philtrum ratio is 1 to 2.6.
01:06:03.460 1 to, 1, sorry, 1.
01:06:06.160 Like relative to 2.
01:06:07.480 1 to 2.6.
01:06:08.320 Okay.
01:06:09.420 Is there a face, a male face, that you think is essentially close to perfect?
01:06:13.760 Matt Bomer.
01:06:14.860 Oh, the actor?
01:06:15.600 Yeah, in terms of like the harmony measurements.
01:06:18.560 Okay.
01:06:19.560 Great.
01:06:20.820 Man, this is great.
01:06:21.620 I really appreciate your time.
01:06:23.380 Of course.
01:06:23.860 Yeah, it's very interesting.
01:06:25.120 Interesting stuff.
01:06:25.900 Um, so I know he wants to shoot photos of you.
01:06:30.340 Do you need to do anything in your face before photos?
01:06:33.080 No.
01:06:35.020 One thing he was talking to me about before we showed up is whether there's any daily, it
01:06:41.200 doesn't sound like you're rejecting anything right now, but whether there's any sort of like
01:06:44.620 daily prep work or like anything physical that you're going to be doing today that might make
01:06:49.700 for a good photo just to illustrate your lifestyle.
01:06:53.160 Um, I have, I already did everything.
01:06:56.820 Okay.
01:06:57.080 I think he's gone.
01:06:57.640 I'll say, uh, a lot of what blew me up is doing the opposite of what, uh, any logical
01:07:05.500 PR guy would say to do.
01:07:07.680 So that's why whenever I, I'm hearing like, oh, don't say this, don't say this.
01:07:11.520 It's like, I want to talk about it more.
01:07:13.380 Uh, you know, I, I genuinely, it's so tempting.
01:07:17.760 I, I hate when people tell me not to do things.
01:07:20.060 That's the thing that, that always gets me going.
01:07:22.620 I get it.
01:07:25.820 Yeah.
01:07:26.340 So I'm like, I don't, I don't really give it.
01:07:29.440 What?
01:07:29.960 What's your birthday when you turn?
01:07:31.080 I'm turning 21 actually.
01:07:32.940 Uh, yeah.
01:07:35.700 Yeah.
01:07:38.400 Yeah.
01:07:40.640 Yeah.
01:07:41.040 I'm 20.
01:07:41.620 So I'm turning 21 soon.
01:07:43.140 Do a banger birthday party. 1.00
01:07:45.320 Uh, boys.
01:07:46.740 Yeah.
01:07:47.180 But no, I, I hate when people tell me not to do things.
01:07:49.540 That's sort of like, anytime I do something like really retarded, it's because I'm just 0.97
01:07:56.080 like, uh, I want to, you know, just say, yeah, go for it.
01:08:04.580 I'll just, it's not, it's not controversial.
01:08:06.360 It's, um, I am curious given that your parents were not stoked with what you were doing with
01:08:12.020 cats when you were younger.
01:08:13.100 Or I'm wondering now that you're very successful doing this, what they've said.
01:08:21.040 Yeah.
01:08:21.500 That's something we'll get answered, answered without, uh, Mitchell.
01:08:24.660 Um, yeah.
01:08:26.620 So my parents basically hated me, um, when I first started doing the streaming, cause I
01:08:33.560 was talking about, uh, math maxing and all that kind of.
01:08:38.100 Um, and like people, and it was blowing up like to a degree that it never, never had before.
01:08:43.620 Cause I was posting content on Tik TOK and like, you know, you could find it if you looked,
01:08:48.540 but it wasn't like coming on people's mom's Facebook feeds.
01:08:52.940 So it happened and it's like their son talking about like methamphetamine, uh, and they just
01:09:01.280 hate it.
01:09:01.620 Like all their friends were sending it like, Oh my God, you know, what, what's he doing?
01:09:06.380 So yeah, my, my parents were like pretty pissed about that.
01:09:10.480 Now it's like kind of undeniable because of, um, like how much, uh, money that I make and
01:09:18.460 how successful it is.
01:09:19.440 It's like, all right, what are you going to say, you know, yeah, which is like for the
01:09:28.140 amount of hours I stream.
01:09:29.800 Okay.
01:09:30.240 That's going to sound like a, obviously that's a good number, right?
01:09:33.980 Yeah.
01:09:34.260 I know what you're going to say.
01:09:35.160 If you divide it by the amount of hours you work and the amount of money that I have to
01:09:40.520 spend on this content, my guess, guess how much my payroll is for one week.
01:09:45.440 Tell me, I'll put that question.
01:09:47.680 How much is your payroll per week?
01:09:49.320 It's 42,000 per week.
01:09:55.200 So, um, that's just, just all my, all my employees, $42,000.
01:10:01.100 This trip costs about $20,000 just for this weekend at Arizona, where I got to buy the whole
01:10:08.920 team's flights and the Airbnbs and the Sprinters and like all the, right.
01:10:14.560 So I'm getting, um, I'm pretty much getting like, you know, not really making right, right
01:10:22.020 now.
01:10:22.460 Yeah.
01:10:23.300 Um, why Sprinters?
01:10:24.860 Why do you always go around with Sprinters?
01:10:27.340 Um, I could show you some clips with, with, uh, don't worry.
01:10:31.920 We're not talking about anything crazy.
01:10:33.260 I'm sure.
01:10:34.280 All right.
01:10:34.500 Um, I spoke to David and, uh, do they know?
01:10:39.540 Yeah.
01:10:39.980 Yeah.
01:10:40.200 Yeah.
01:10:40.440 David.
01:10:40.860 That's my producer.
01:10:41.660 Yeah.
01:10:42.320 Okay.
01:10:42.900 So he, uh, said you have a club book with Mike.
01:10:45.540 So I think what makes the most sense is if the reporter and I, uh, get to meet you guys
01:10:50.560 as a Sprinter.
01:10:51.100 Uh, bro, they should roll with us.
01:11:02.340 I'm sure if they name drop.
01:11:10.540 Yeah.
01:11:11.040 So look, okay.
01:11:12.880 Look, yeah, a lot of, you know what I mean?
01:11:20.180 So yeah, that's the thing.
01:11:22.100 Uh, it's basically just like the goal now that I sent it is to prove like, okay, this is exactly
01:11:28.800 what I'm talking about.
01:11:30.040 And I'm saying, I'm saying like, I'm one of the best examples of like exactly what I
01:11:35.340 was talking about happening is that when you become better looking, your life gets exponentially
01:11:40.780 better.
01:11:41.580 And people are seeing like a literal one-to-one, um, you know, result of this with my success
01:11:49.640 with, um, with the ladies, with my blow up on social media.
01:11:54.700 Like it's literally all coming true.
01:11:58.500 I mean, it's very interesting.
01:12:00.400 You're 20 and you're young, but look, everyone already now has started taking the job.
01:12:07.120 I mean, even people don't own it.
01:12:08.660 Do you?
01:12:09.040 Medically?
01:12:09.520 No, I don't.
01:12:10.200 I go to the job.
01:12:11.140 You should.
01:12:12.500 I don't know.
01:12:14.000 I think it's fun, man.
01:12:15.060 I'm not, I'm not trying to be disrespectful.
01:12:17.800 I'm just saying, um, it's amazing.
01:12:19.880 It's really good for your longevity.
01:12:22.180 It's actually going to like decrease your lipid profile, right?
01:12:25.220 So your, uh, cholesterol.
01:12:27.080 Yeah.
01:12:27.280 That's actually one of the, I take something, I take an ingest of a variable called, um,
01:12:32.240 Repatha.
01:12:33.260 Repatha?
01:12:33.900 Which is, um, you don't have to worry about this, but basically statins, which is the most
01:12:39.080 common.
01:12:40.020 Statins are, yeah, they're bad.
01:12:42.080 They give you really bad side effects.
01:12:43.460 They basically give you like muscle aches and that kind of thing, which is like, the effect
01:12:47.740 I think they're going to be doing this kind of, you know, kind of one of my thoughts on
01:12:51.200 the post, but there's something called Repatha, which is inexactable.
01:12:54.520 There's something that is, uh, side effect.
01:12:57.440 Yeah.
01:12:58.320 Um, which is cool.
01:12:59.220 Dude, I got to start going to the gym again because it almost feels silly that, um, I'm
01:13:03.980 like so into Luxmax, uh, and everything, but I've given up on the gym. 0.98
01:13:08.780 It's like, what the fuck am I doing? 0.99
01:13:09.820 You don't work out? 0.95
01:13:11.080 Uh, no, I stopped basically when I started streaming just because I, I didn't have time for it.
01:13:15.400 That's interesting.
01:13:16.200 I'm going to.
01:13:16.480 How are you, how are you staying, like, cut?
01:13:20.140 Staying lean is just about calories.
01:13:22.620 It's not hard to stay.
01:13:23.520 You don't need to, to work out necessarily to stay lean.
01:13:26.800 Like, uh, weight training is not cardio at all.
01:13:28.840 Maybe 200 calories max.
01:13:30.940 So, um, that's like a mistake people make is they think, oh, I went to the gym.
01:13:35.360 I'm going to go eat McDonald's, which is a thousand calories and you're still plus 800
01:13:40.480 now.
01:13:40.980 But you're not, you're not eating good cardio right now?
01:13:43.980 Well, dude, I'm an IRL streamer.
01:13:46.800 I'm on my feet for hours a day.
01:13:51.300 Yeah.
01:13:51.840 So, um, I, I pretty much am able to eat like kind of dog.
01:13:57.760 It's, I don't eat dog intentionally.
01:14:00.800 Like I want to start cleaning up my diet.
01:14:03.460 It's just like out of convenience, like fast food while you're, I have to do it.
01:14:08.380 Yeah.
01:14:08.640 You know, I do love Burger King and I had a freak out at that restaurant last night because
01:14:13.460 they didn't give me chicken fingers, but.
01:14:16.500 I just went to a nice restaurant.
01:14:21.160 Oh, oh, oh, sorry.
01:14:22.140 I thought you were at Burger King.
01:14:24.520 The restaurant would not prepare me to drink.
01:14:26.700 No, they did.
01:14:27.500 They didn't.
01:14:27.980 They, they did after I asked, but they gave me all this food that was like a exquisite
01:14:34.040 cuisine.
01:14:34.500 And, uh, I had a freak out of mouth down.
01:14:39.080 So that wasn't good.
01:14:40.740 That was kind of an aura loss.
01:14:42.000 People said, I mean, the thing about food and then like just kind of a gym and I don't
01:14:46.960 lift, I do sort of like, you know, like, but like, it's very good for my mental health.
01:14:53.800 Like it keeps my mood in a good place.
01:14:55.840 Um, and I kind of feel like taking the gym and I totally get the kind of like the max
01:15:03.040 sort of, this is the fastest way to do it.
01:15:05.440 And it's almost like inefficient to like watch what you eat and like, you know, do all that 0.99
01:15:10.140 shit. 0.99
01:15:10.460 It's almost ridiculous to not do it is the way that I think about it. 1.00
01:15:13.460 Yeah.
01:15:13.700 I hear you.
01:15:14.140 But the sort of like side benefit is I always feel like I'm in a good place mentally.
01:15:18.640 You certainly see what I'm saying?
01:15:19.600 But the way that it, uh, actually works on like your dopamine reward system, you literally
01:15:28.680 get rewarded more to do work, task intensive things.
01:15:32.900 So you'll feel better on RETA mentally.
01:15:35.560 So there's literally nothing that could go wrong.
01:15:41.400 Yeah.
01:15:42.000 But that down regulates your dopamine receptors and causes the dependency.
01:15:45.380 This is different.
01:15:46.300 Yeah.
01:15:46.540 There's no, there's literally nothing that could go.
01:15:48.820 There's not one bad thing that could happen to you if you take RETA.
01:15:52.260 Yeah.
01:15:52.860 There's no lethal dose.
01:15:54.000 Well, my buddy who worked for New York Magazine just said this, he covered right about that
01:15:57.880 side.
01:15:58.640 And now he went on RETA.
01:15:59.720 And again, God works out a lot.
01:16:01.720 He's eating like 700 calories a day and it's wonderful work all day.
01:16:07.540 And he said working started giving him, as you say, but literally working made him feel
01:16:14.200 that like the sense of reward.
01:16:16.320 It's a injury that can be a reward.
01:16:17.520 Exactly.
01:16:19.020 So why would you not do it?
01:16:20.520 I don't know.
01:16:21.740 So it's almost a philosophical question.
01:16:24.960 Like I'm 41 and my entire life is a certain thing you're a reward and certain things you're
01:16:31.000 not a reward.
01:16:32.180 You get your entire life structured that way.
01:16:34.680 And it essentially works for you.
01:16:37.280 Like I have a job.
01:16:38.640 I'm happy.
01:16:39.440 I have two things I love in the world.
01:16:42.400 When you get to be that age, you don't necessarily want to just take a hat and put a hat to it.
01:16:47.120 Even if you understand like on the intellectual level, you could gain like, do you see what
01:16:53.060 I'm getting at?
01:16:53.580 Yeah, that's the thing.
01:16:55.180 It's like, it's so hard for me to understand normies because their copes are like on a
01:16:59.560 next level.
01:17:00.200 Like this is all like, I'm a super blunt person.
01:17:04.280 Yeah.
01:17:04.680 Right. 0.78
01:17:05.360 But that, that thought process and that reasoning just sounds so silly to me. 0.52
01:17:12.160 Yeah.
01:17:12.640 But.
01:17:13.080 And non-objective.
01:17:14.000 But I think you want different things out of your life.
01:17:16.060 And I mean, I shouldn't get into this because I'm.
01:17:18.300 Yeah.
01:17:18.700 But yeah.
01:17:19.140 Yeah.
01:17:19.340 You want different things out of your life.
01:17:20.720 That's okay.
01:17:21.340 That's great.
01:17:22.160 A hundred percent.
01:17:23.300 Do we have the burgers here?
01:17:26.260 Okay.
01:17:26.700 So we're just, we're burger maxing real quick.
01:17:28.920 Um, yeah, but you guys are, are welcome to, I'll let you figure it out with Mitchell, whether
01:17:34.960 they stay or.
01:17:36.140 Yeah.
01:17:36.400 Whatever you want.
01:17:37.480 I mean, I'm fine with them tagging along.
01:17:38.860 I think they should tag along.
01:17:40.280 That's fine with me.
01:17:41.220 Where, where we're going.
01:17:41.980 I don't know.
01:17:43.020 Yeah.
01:17:43.460 Let me see where we're going.
01:17:45.000 Listen, I told, I told the guys, I was like, I don't want to have to deal with this.
01:17:48.600 You guys tell me where I'm going.
01:17:50.280 You know?
01:17:51.000 They were worried about budget.
01:17:53.720 Budget.
01:17:55.620 Let me tell Mitchell outside of that.
01:17:57.460 Okay.
01:17:58.920 Okay.
01:17:59.700 Or wait, give it, take the mic.
01:18:01.360 Okay.