I Got Interviewed By New York Times! (FULL INTERVIEW)
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Summary
In this episode, I sit down with a good friend of mine to talk about his life growing up in a small town in New Jersey and how he ended up at a Catholic private school. We talk about how he dealt with being sent off to live with his grandmother when he was a kid, how he got into drugs, and what it was like growing up as the only girl in his class.
Transcript
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So I think what a lot of people want to know, do you prefer clav, clavicular, is your life story?
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Like you sort of have popped up on a lot of people's socials in the past year, but really in the past like two months.
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Begin at the beginning, where are you from? What was growing up like for you? What did your parents, you know, that kind of everyday?
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Well, so I grew up in a pretty small town called Hoboken, New Jersey.
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Not exactly small in terms of population, you know, one of the most densely populated cities in the country.
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But it's a one square mile thing, so you pretty much know everyone.
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And I enjoyed growing up there. You didn't have to have a car, you could walk everywhere to the gym, you know, to restaurants, whatever.
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And then when I went to high school, I went pretty far away, so I'd have to, you know, take a happy amount of public education and long commute.
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So high school wasn't exactly something I enjoyed too much at all.
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Um, just because how far it was and the whole thing with COVID, I, you know, the first time I was pretty much from the same town and I was from South and I was from, South Jersey?
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And then I would be North, so, you know, I didn't know anyone and they all knew each other.
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And with how hard it was with the online stuff, just, you know, making connections was never something that...
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No, no, no. It's not a boarding school. It's just a regular Catholic private school.
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Um, tell me about your family. What did your parents do?
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Um, and I just know from that famous photo of you from kind of before you blew up with your grandmother,
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Yeah, um, because, you know, I wasn't, I was kind of a bad kid growing up, I guess you could say.
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So a lot of the times I would get sent off to live with grandma.
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Because I had a, a job that I really liked, um, at this one place called the Squire.
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Oh, okay. So that's, your grandmother lives in, in Mass?
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Okay. So they'd send you, what, for the summer to go up there or whatever?
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Well, I would, yeah, I'd go up there for the summer regardless, but I just mean, like,
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Or if I was, like, you know, uh, you know, not behaved during, like, a, a break or something
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Okay. So, like, when you say you weren't behaving, I've watched a lot of your kind
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And you talk about, like, your parents taking away your tests or, like, taking away your
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Is that what you're talking about or kind of other stuff?
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Like, tell me a little bit about what you were like in, in high school.
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Yeah, because the thing is, when you take away, um, you know, what's basically, like,
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medication, uh, you know, like, is called testosterone replacement therapy.
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If you take that away from someone, especially while they're developing and you make them
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go hypogonadal, everything emotionally is out of whack.
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So, that can cause, like, you know, me to have freakouts, like, if my estrogen's out
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of whack, you know, because they take away stuff that I need to maintain my hormonal stability.
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And it's like, yeah, of course, like, I'm going to freak out and, like, get into arguments
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And so, you were 14 when you started taking TRT?
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So, it sounds, it sounds bad, but I turned 15 a month later.
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It's definitely something that's in the culture a lot right now, but it's definitely not something
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we think about, you know, like, 14 and 15-year-old kids taking.
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Like, can you just sort of take me into the mindset?
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Like, I've watched your interviews about it a little bit.
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I'm just curious, like, what you were thinking, like, I guess you're a freshman in high school,
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So, you're, like, in this school situation you don't really like for the first time.
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Um, like, take me through your mindset when you're, like, okay, I want to take TRT.
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I had, like, a little home gym thing in my basement.
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And, um, you know, I was kind of thinking to myself, well, if this tool exists, and I,
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If you agree with Clav's message and you're serious about improving your look, you guys
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are going to want to check out Clav's community on school.
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Once you're inside, you get access to over 100 courses on looks maxing, pharmacology,
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Plus, you get weekly calls with Clav to get feedback and guidance in real time.
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So, if you guys want the absolute best information on looking better and access to a community
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of people who want to improve their look, you guys are going to want to check this one out.
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It's, like, sort of like a cheat code is how I thought about it.
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That if I could accelerate my progress in the gym.
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So, you're, at this point, you're just thinking about getting stronger in the gym, basically.
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So, you're already thinking in terms of the aesthetic and not just, like, get stronger.
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Yeah, if you're not a bonehead, you can figure out how to get steroids.
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Okay, so, basically, you get tasked, and at some point, your parents discover it.
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They get pissed off and try to take it away from you.
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And it leads to this, essentially, emotional episode.
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But, yeah, it was always a problem for, like, the first, like, two years.
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Um, and my parents sort of just, like, you know, wanted, you know, to be kind of ignorant about it.
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Meaning they thought you might be doing it, but didn't intervene?
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They just, yeah, they just didn't want to have to deal with it anymore.
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So it kind of just stopped, because they realized after a certain point of me, like, reordering
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it and getting P.O. boxes that there was kind of nothing that they could do to stop my ascension.
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You know, like, that's the one thing I would never let anyone stop ascending, you know, me from ascending.
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Um, I want to circle back to some of this stuff, but can you define ascending?
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Uh, I think I understand, but how do you see it?
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I see ascending as, um, basically, like, becoming a better-looking version of yourself.
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And that could be through your face, through your physique, uh, through getting taller,
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just maximizing the anyesthetic metric of these ascending.
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And, you know, ascending could be used, um, if you're, if you specify the context for,
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like, ascending in terms of, like, you know, your income or your status, like, there could
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And I don't want to make you go back to the stuff you went over with, like, Michael Knowles,
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but in your worldview, looks, physique is just a more immediate and powerful form of ascension
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All I said, you know, the main point I was trying to, you know, get across is that it's
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going to be a lot easier, uh, to have a meaningful ascension in terms of the looks category than
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it ever will be to ascend in terms of status, you know, because, like, what does that even
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Like, ascending, like, in Instagram followers, it's like, the average person is never going
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to get more than, like, you know, what, 3,000 Instagram followers is a lot.
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And then they see people on podcasts with, like, millions of followers being like, oh,
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It's like, of course, but the average person will never be able to do this.
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Um, before you got into bodybuilding and aesthetics, what were your interests as a kid?
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Um, I would kind of, like, go from one, I would be hyperfixated on, like, one thing.
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Um, you know, so I wasn't like, oh, let me just get one of these.
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And then I got a job when I was really young working for this company, Lime Scooters.
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And I would charge them up every single day and then I'd wake up at 6 in the morning and
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Um, I was doing that when I was in 7th grade, so I would have been, like, 12.
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You know, so that was my first job and I was just doing that a lot.
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What did you want to buy when you were in 7th grade?
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Well, my parents basically, like, cut me off when I was around that age in terms of money.
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So, just, like, paying for food and, like, uh, stuff like that.
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Wait, your parents wouldn't pay for food when you were in 7th grade?
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Uh, well, there would be, like, food in the house.
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But, like, if I wanted to, like, you know, get food while I was at school or something
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So, like, you know, there'd be stuff to eat most of the time if I wanted it.
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But if I wanted to go to, like, you know, McDonald's or something.
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Um, Clave, when did you first become aware of wanting to look different than you did?
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Uh, well, I would say around the time I got into the gym.
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I just didn't really have, like, improving my face in mind necessarily.
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Um, and one thing I've been thinking about is, like, people have been trying to improve
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Like, yeah, it's sort of more expected of women.
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But the modern dating market, essentially everyone is always trying in some way to improve
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What is it about your vision of improving your looks that's different from what's come
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I mean, you're very overt about it and it's a whole shtick.
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But how is it different than just, like, okay, I, you know, I'm trying to get in shape.
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Well, it's a lot more in-depth and sort of, like, pushing the limits on things, right?
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So, um, for example, getting lean would be a form of looks maxing.
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But my form of, of that would be taking something like a GLP-1 agonist, like raditrutide, in
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Or, like, you know, DMP, like the mitochondrial uncoupler that's literally used to make dynamite
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So just, you know, taking things a step further to get to the result quicker is sort of what
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So in some ways what you're saying is if you start with a goal in mind, you're just doing
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the most rational thing to get there as fast as possible.
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It's like you can walk and get to a destination, but why wouldn't you drive?
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You know, like, that's kind of how I think about it.
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I also wonder, like, you talk about reddit, how do, what's reddit?
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Like, this is something that some huge percentage of Americans are going to be on anyway.
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But reddit, which is, I think, more effective than ozempic and wigivian, the ones that are already
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Like, maybe in some ways you're just ahead of the curve.
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Like, people are going to be on these drugs anyway.
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The reddit, so it's technically a research chemical right now.
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Um, but yeah, it's a triple agonist, whereas ozempic is a single agonist.
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It only hits the GLP-1 receptor, but reddit would also target the GIP and glucagon receptors.
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It sounds like you've gone pretty deep into the science.
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Was science something you were into when you were in school?
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Um, yeah, but not necessarily in the most traditional context, mostly like pharmacology, like the
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way that drugs interact, uh, in your body, you know, agonizing and antagonizing receptors,
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Um, what did you want to do when you grew up before you got this sort of career you're
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I pretty much never think, uh, more than like, you know, a week or two into the future.
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You have this, you have this plan for your face and body and you've executed it pretty
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But I don't really think that would, would mean that I think more than two years ahead of,
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you know, it's just one looks max at a time was the way that I always thought about it.
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It's like, okay, I'm going to do fat dissolvers.
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Now I'm going to do PDO threads and all simultaneously while I'm bone smashing.
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So it's like, uh, I don't really think that that would, you know, be true.
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You know, pretty in the moment with everything.
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So just to give our sort of, you have to imagine someone reading this who's never heard of you
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Um, can you attempt, I know this might be incomplete, we can always follow up.
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Can you attempt to list every substance you've taken to looks max, every procedure you've
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undergone for looks maxing and every action you've taken in pursuit of looks maxing?
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I want to just list them all in a piece if I can.
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Maybe it would be better if we just, um, like sent email you over a list.
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I just think it'd be a really like, just to give people a sense of like how much work
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Cause I know you were talking about the jaw thing.
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I mean, I've, I've done like things like Botox and, uh, Aqualux and like those kind of
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Is it just a better looking version of you or is there some person in your mind?
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So everything would be according to like objective facial measurements.
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So just kind of like, I would usually edit myself into like the ideal and see what I'd look like.
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Just FYI, you keep on accidentally getting you to fellowship.
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So for example, for each like facial ratio, so there'd be something like the eye separation
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ratio, uh, which would be like the distance of, of your eyes relative to the distance of
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And, uh, you know, the idea would be somewhere around like 0.46, right?
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So, um, you just edit yourself into the idea, which means you could, um, you know, edit your
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cheekbones a little bit wider, stuff like that.
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For example, um, so you do this in Photoshop, you mean?
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Um, to kind of get an idea of how you would look with like implants or whatever, and just
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figure out what surgery, uh, surgical intervention would be needed to get into that ideal.
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When you talk about an ideal, like a facial ratio, right?
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What is the sort of body of knowledge that you're drawing from?
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I understand that your position is that it's objective, but where did, what's the sort
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Well, so a lot of the ratios, like the midface ratio actually came from like ancient Greece.
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Um, so these things have been around for a while.
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Um, you know, so that those are, are, you know, very ancient, but a lot of the new age stuff
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would be from like autists on forums, uh, you know, so let's kind of end, a lot of it's
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Oh, so like internet surveys of rating attractiveness to me?
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There was something, this is way before your time, but when I was in high school, there was
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It's just a website where you can upload a picture of yourself and you're served.
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If you're consuming the website, you're served two photos and you just rate who's hotter.
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And through an algorithm, it sort of lays out what you're scoring a scale of zero to 10.
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Um, even Facebook, when Facebook first started, it was a way for, um, Mark Zuckerberg to have
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people rate the attractiveness of girls at Harvard.
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Well, you have to remember this is 2002, so I'm 17 and I had a full head of hair.
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Yeah, but the, um, we don't need to get too deep into this, but the potential side effects
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Dude, that's the biggest nocebo cope ever, and that's with finasteride.
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Like, the post-finasteride syndrome, yeah, it's like 1% of people get that, but DUT, yeah,
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it's like, you know, really not that problematic.
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If you get those side effects, worst case scenario, just stop taking the drug.
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I think you were talking about someone who's on the autism spectrum.
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I know you've described yourself as an autist before.
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Have you been diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum?
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It's more that you think you have certain personality characteristics that are...
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Can you tell me what those are, or like, what you mean when you say that?
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Um, I would just say the way that I view the world in, like, a more objective manner rather
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than, like, you know, thinking necessarily about, like, people's feelings and things of
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Um, you know, in terms of, like, social cues and things like that, sometimes, and, you
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know, like, uh, small talk, you know, it's not exactly the easiest thing for me.
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Uh, basically just being, like, a clown for people's amusement.
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So, yeah, like, a lot of dudes will jester max, um, to try to get girls, and it's just,
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And it's just, like, it's so hard to watch that.
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Like, but the thing is, I'll jester max sometimes, because I'm, like, a live streamer, and, like,
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Because it's just, it's funny, it's silly, but, like, if you're jester maxing, like, and
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you're just a normal guy, it's like, what the fuck are you doing?
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Right, because to live stream, you have to entertain people.
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It's like, I wore, like, a golden, like, shiny blazer, and, like, a top hat, a cane,
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and I was, like, dancing like an idiot, making a fool of myself.
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It's like, I know what I'm jester maxing, but.
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Um, I think one of the reasons people are, um, find you very fascinating is because of
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Like, is this essentially just forum speak in real life?
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Why do you think it, so many people find it funny and interesting?
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I think they find it funny and interesting because it's, uh, genuinely the way that I
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Like, um, the other day, people, I was reading my chat, I said, uh, oh, let's, let's start
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second floor maxing while we're at the mall, and people were just like, you're such an idiot,
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And I'm just thinking, like, I didn't even, like, it didn't even cross my mind when I said
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Just the way that, that I talk, because, uh, in high school, I'd spend hours running on,
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Um, so yeah, that's basically what I'm, uh, accommodated towards, and it's like, when
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I go on, uh, you know, podcasts and things, and, like, for example, I use, like, the word
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subhuman, that's, like, an extremely, like, almost, like, vulgar term to use, but I don't
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really think about it, because it, it just, I'm so desensitized to it, you know, just because
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of, like, the way that I grew up, and a lot of, like, jokes, too, like, some of the
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looks max that you would read would be, like, quite horrible, um, so just, like, it really
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So, I think that's a good place to talk to you about, sort of, like, N-word stuff, and
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Is that, some of that, just sort of, like, internet lingo, or, like, internet jokes come
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to life a little bit, less than, like, any belief that you actually have?
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I think, as I said, I'm not, no, also politics are jester.
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It's just a waste of time, right, to devote yourself to any political movement, and waste
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your time, you know, watching different forms of media, and, you know, staying up to date
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with current events, like, I can't think of anything more ridiculous, and more of a waste
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It's like, you could be doing any looks max instead of, uh, gesturing on politics.
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And yet, people seem to want you to have politics.
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I mean, the viral moment from the Nulls interview was when you talked about Gavin Newsom and JD
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Vance, and, I mean, it doesn't, it can't have escaped you that that was the thing that you
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Why do you think people want you to have politics?
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Um, I would say just because, like, you know, maybe people on the right want me to be, like,
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their guy or something like that, or, you know, just f***ing me.
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Because, uh, most people are political, right?
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But I'm, like, this sort of completely new way of thinking that's so apolitical and,
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and so, uh, you know, like, self-oriented, like, that people don't really know how to
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categorize it, so they're just, like, trying their best to figure out, like, what is this
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And the thing about JD Vance, it wasn't, like, a political statement at all.
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I was just saying that he's fat, you know?
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I mean, one thing that Knowles didn't talk about when you were doing this whole thing about
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Vance and, um, Newsom, the U.S. hasn't elected a bald president since Eisenhower, I think?
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Of course, let's play a role in the way that people evaluate politicians.
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You know, you look at, like, the JFK, uh, example, and just to me, uh, how he, like, you
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know, lost the debate, uh, on the radio and won on television.
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That just seems like, you know, how could you deny this, bro?
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This takes me to something else I want to ask you, Bob, which is, um, your version of looking
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good, um, you've talked a lot about it in the context of dating apps, which is, like,
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you know, looking at a screen, how someone appears on a screen.
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And I wonder if you distinguish it all between looking good in person and looking good on a
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screen, and how much your version of looks maxing is due to the fact that you grew up
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Well, I would say that obviously looking good in person is way more important, right?
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Uh, so I don't understand the question necessarily.
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Like, well, like, you, if you look good, you look good, and people will cope all the time
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about, oh, lens distortion and, uh, bad lighting or whatever.
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But at the end of the day, if you don't really look good in motion and, uh, you know, regular
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just outdoor settings when a camera hits you or candid pictures, you don't look good.
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It's like, yeah, you're just, you're just chopped.
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I would say that sometimes, yeah, obviously, like, when I'm doing, like, a jester max, like,
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when I was dressed up as, like, the pimp in that one stream, um, yeah, that would be,
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like, playing a character, 100%, but I think it's very obvious, and I make it very clear
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when I'm being, like, ironic or, like, jester maxing.
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But the basic clavicular, like, looks maxed guy is not a persona.
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So, like, when I'm doing interviews or long form, everything I'm saying is, like, 100%,
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I know we talked a little bit about this, about, um, how you don't think too far in advance,
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I mean, I know there's people who look at your success, and I say, look at this kind of young
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idiot who's, like, injecting himself with shit and, like, going to the club with, you
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But I've watched some of your old form videos, and I know how meticulous and thoughtful you
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were about your appearance and about, um, essentially experimenting on yourself.
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And, like, I wonder if you do have some sort of formula or some sort of set of rules for,
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You know, I've, I've posted videos for, people don't know this, like, three years on TikTok,
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Memes, like, uh, um, from, like, Looksmax, and I would document, like, the things I was
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I never expected any of it to, uh, go viral or expect myself to become a public figure.
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Because I went on a, a popular streamer's, uh, like, live stream, and, uh, no, it was, it was
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And I was basically just talking, like, in the, this, you know, pretty casual context, using the words and, like, rating people.
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And for some reason, people found it so entertaining.
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Like, I don't think the things that I say or do are, are entertaining for the most part.
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Like, I don't understand why people are so, uh, you know, gravitated towards my streams.
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But, I'm like, okay, well, if you guys like this.
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I was curious about something you said to Knowles.
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You weren't so much interested in having one-night stands as you are in slang.
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And I took that to mean less necessarily having actual sex and more proving to yourself that you're good-looking enough to, or whatever, mogging enough to go home with that woman.
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So, sorry, one-night stands in slang, that's the same thing.
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I wanted to be clear, because there was a, I thought there was, and this could be Knowles' being very ridiculous.
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But I thought you were drawing some kind of distinction between having sex and basically proving in the club that you could have sex with a woman.
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No, no, that was me saying, like, um, you know, just, like, yeah, I mean, but that wouldn't be slang necessarily.
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Slang is actually when you would have sex with them.
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I was just saying it's a big time saver and almost, like, equally as redeeming to me to know that I could do it.
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You know, that's, like, enough for me because, you know, I'm a busy guy.
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Do I have time to, um, waste having sex, which is going to gain me nothing with some stupid, uh, whore, you know, from the club?
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But it's funny because, like, it's like you're only in competition with other men in that sense or, like, the women almost don't matter.
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I'm almost in competition with no one because when I go to any club or if I go to any party, it's, like, you look at the footage nowadays with the status max that I've achieved.
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It's just, like, it almost feels, like, too easy, you know.
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Like, it's just not, it's not really rewarding, you know, as it used to be.
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I'd say, like, the nightlife stuff is getting stale.
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I mean, I've been club maxing since I was, like, 16.
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So when I have to go to clubs for streams or whatever, I'm basically just, like, standing there.
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There's a ton of girls around me that promoters and just bring and, like, the girls that I know, I'm just, like, okay, we've done this for the fifth time this week, you know.
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I'm not giving you an answer, but we can sidebar.
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Well, um, the KCIP is public, so we can know that.
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Oh, if you know it off the top of your head, yeah.
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Yeah, um, well, so KCIP partner pay, or KPP is what it would be called.
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I always show that, um, I'm, like, pretty about, um, what I would make on there, and I'll show the dashboard.
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I think in January it was, like, $133,000 from KCIP.
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And then add to that whatever partnerships or sponsorships, plus appearances, et cetera, et cetera.
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Like, when you're 40, 45, 50, when you're my age, Mitchell's age, Cassie's, like, what do you want?
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You're good, obviously you're a good-looking guy, intelligent human being, but, like, what do you want 20 years from now?
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I kind of change sometimes my positions on things or, like, my mentality a good amount or, like, you know, like, a lot of my beliefs sort of have changed, like, with kind of how much status I've, you know, acquired.
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Like, I used to give no credibility whatsoever towards, really, status and money, like, in terms of, like, being able to slay in your SMB.
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So I would, yeah, like, you don't know what that is, dude?
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Yeah, so, um, I would give little, um, you know, credibility towards that, but now that I have it, I'm like, okay, like, status is definitely helping me, uh, you know, get women.
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I would say that looks is, like, probably still one of the main drivers, but the status exposes me to a lot more people.
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Um, tell me a little bit about the circus around you.
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I mean, what, well, like, who, you know, you have a cameraman.
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Um, there's guys who sort of, they seem like friends who regularly, like, what's your staff?
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If you're a streamer, you can't do it by yourself.
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Any of, any streamers who are just starting out, that's why most of the time they'll never take office because they're trying to do on their Samsung phone, like, solo holding it like this.
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It's, like, to be able to, like, be in contact with venues and organizing travel arrangements and stream the hours that I do never would be possible.
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And I was trying to do it for a while and, um, you know, that's why I had, um, a lot of, like, you know, maybe stimulant, uh, like, overuse, I would say.
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It's because I was just so overworked, but now I have a lot of, you know, that kind of taken off my shoulders by having a bit of a team.
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Like, what are the tasks that you used to have to do that you don't have to do anymore?
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Well, just, like, all the creative stuff, like, coming up with ideas and segments, um, and, you know, like, finding, like, a temporary camera guy, like, if I wanted to do an IRL stream before, uh, I hired, you know, Kirk over here.
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So, and, um, so, stuff like that was just, and calling up venues, planning, all that kind of stuff, just, yeah, trying to do that on my own was the worst.
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Oh, so, Claire, you should explain to him how organized you are with your notion and everything.
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I was going to ask, like, how planned out is it extreme for you?
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Tell me, take me through it in this much detail if you want.
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Yeah, so, I'm extremely meticulous about all, like, the back ends.
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Like, people don't realize, like, how much work goes into it and how many, like, people are actually working on my stuff, you know, so, um, yeah, we have, like, a notion set up where we're dumping ideas, like, my whole team.
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And, um, you know, I've got a great producer who just started with me, um, who will, like, be very diligent about, you know, calling up places to make sure that we're, uh, having permission to film is a big one.
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Because all the time, what used to happen is, I used to go to a place with my camera, oh, sorry, you can't film here.
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And it's a lot easier now that I have, um, a lot of status because people are like, oh, yeah, Clave, like, a lot of viewers, like, yeah.
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But the dinner last night, uh, being free, they're like, oh, just shout us out, man.
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And sometimes, like, it almost gets to a point where you're doing these shout-outs, you're, like, doing, like, a value proposition.
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It's like, okay, I've, like, you know, 12,000 people watching right now.
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Like, is this really worth a shout-out, you know?
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I mean, how many people do you think there are, and I don't just mean people who are watching your stream, but, like, how many people are there who, like, are aware of you?
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And then, like, how many people are there who are, like, take what you say super seriously about how to change your appearance?
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Um, so I'd say, like, most of my female audience because my demographics have shifted, like, and I've gotten a lot more female attention.
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They just know me from TikTok, and they know that I'm, like, the Lux Max guy.
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And, like, people were, the girls were telling me last night, they were, like, um, they said to me, you have no idea, like, how much influence you have over people.
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You know, all the girls want to Lux Max, uh, all the guys, like, talk about you every day.
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Um, and I was, like, okay, well, like, wow, like, I knew I was, like, a, a popular public figure, but I didn't know people were taking my stuff so seriously and being so influenced by it.
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And I was, like, okay, well, that's pretty cool.
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You know, because I do think Lux Maxing is, uh, hugely a net positive.
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Um, I think that there's certain Lux Max's that maybe I've done before that, uh, I wouldn't necessarily recommend to people.
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Um, like, maybe appetite, uh, suppressants with stimulants.
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Would be one that I wouldn't, like, uh, be very clear, like, you know, uh, don't do this when I'm being, like, fully unironic.
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I wouldn't, I always advocate against, uh, stimulants, uh, all that kind of stuff.
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It's like, yeah, I've memed in the past, like, oh, yeah, like, uh, meth for lean maxing.
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But I was never, and, and I did that, right?
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But I, I always say, do not do this sh**, this could ruin your life.
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Um, I knew that Mitchell's gonna follow up with everything you've ever done.
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Uh, I've been, like, lowering my dose, uh, you know, throughout the past couple months.
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Yeah, I mean, what's the point of taking the beta blocker?
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Uh, so it blocks the beta one and, uh, the beta two receptors, which, uh, you know, just
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make it a little bit easier on your heart with, uh, the higher blood pressure and certainly,
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So testosterone, Accutane, uh, Reda, Nibivilol, um, beta blocker.
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Because Nibivilol is more selective of the beta one receptor.
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Propranolol is another beta blocker people take.
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That's the beta one and beta two, which blocks, like, a lot of the physical anxiety that you
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could get, like, uh, hand tremors and sweating.
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I know people take it before they use speeches sometimes.
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So that's a Luxmax that I've talked about before, is taking, uh, propranolol.
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But the problem with propranolol is it ruins your motor unit recruitment in the gym.
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So you have to be, and half-life is quite long, so you have to be quite diligent about
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making sure that, uh, you take, take it at the right time.
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So, um, I'm also on 2.5 milligrams of minoxidil.
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I do a lucky dip of, uh, dutasteride, which basically means I have dutasteride in, uh,
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raw powder form, and I'll just dip my finger in the bag and take it, uh, like, once every
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two weeks, because the half-life is so long that it really doesn't matter that much, and
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like, when I'm travel-maxing, like, right now, I don't really have, uh, necessarily, like,
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I haven't taken it in, like, a little bit, but that's, I just want to make sure that that's
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Melanotan 2 agonizes something called your melanocortin receptors, uh, four of them,
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So, when you're exposed to UV, um, you know, you're, you're going to, uh, basically produce
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So, you want to limit your UV exposure as much as possible.
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So, you want to tan in as short amount of time as possible, essentially.
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And a lot of people think I'm memeing when I say taking 300 to 500 milligrams is phenomenal.
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The, the problem is, like, when your receptors are sensitive, you're going to feel terrible
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But it's, it's an extremely good antioxidant for your liver, uh, and your brain.
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So, what you want to do is you want to down-regulate your receptors so that you're not going to,
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you know, feel like the next day and feel all drowsy, but you're getting the antioxidant
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So, you'd want to do a tapered up dose towards that.
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So, that's another antioxidant that's already produced endogenously.
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And that helps with a lot of dopamine toxicity.
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That helps with any liver toxicity from drinking, uh, because, you know, I do like to, um, to,
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to drink sometimes, and, uh, on Accutane, that's not necessarily the best thing for your
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So, I'll, I'll take the L-glutathione to prevent that.
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I'll take NAD plus, uh, which is extremely good for the health of your cells.
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Uh, it's good for your brain, and just one of the best regenerative compounds out there.
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Um, let's keep going through what else I would, I would use.
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In terms of, of stack right now, that's all I'll take, but, you know, we could go through
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Do you take any peptides other than the, uh, other than Radeye?
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Um, well, I guess we could go a little bit into, like, the, the important ones, just on the
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interview, uh, that I've, I've done, like, recently, would be, like, HGH, right?
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You have a lipolysis in, like, body recomposition.
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And I use HGH while I was growing up, as well, for height maxing.
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Um, I've used also the peptide IGF-1, LR-3, um, like, pretty recently.
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Which is extremely good for, uh, your physique.
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Uh, I've used Anabar, because that down-regulates something called the glucocorticoid receptor.
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And that basically, uh, causes your adrenal glands to secrete cortisol.
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Yeah, I'm just kind of messing around, but yes.
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Like, the thing is, we would be, like, here for hours if we actually talked about, like,
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Because I don't just biohack in the context of luxmaxing.
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I'm also, like, uh, you know, a cognition maxer.
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So, I've got a very, like, fine-tuned nootropic stack.
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I don't know if you want to hear about that or not.
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When I start talking about this stuff, I, you know, shoot my head off for...
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You know, so, when I was getting, like, kicked out of school, for example...
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Um, for roids and, like, basically all the s*** that we're talking about...
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They had it in a room and they were like, okay, what the f*** is this?
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Because no one's heard of most of the s*** that I'm taking, uh, before.
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Obviously, you know, they've heard of, like, testosterone, but no one's heard of, like,
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So, they're asking me, like, what the f*** is this?
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And I'm, like, explaining the mechanisms of each thing.
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I was sitting there explaining, uh, every single thing in detail.
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Just shooting my head off for, like, three hours.
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Wait, okay, so, just bring me through this whole thing.
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After we're off the stream, maybe we can talk about it?
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I forgot that literally every single thing is pretty much s***.
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So, it doesn't really s*** matter that much.
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It's just more so I can, in fact, check it up for myself.
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Because I was watching the video you reported right after you got kicked out.
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But why were they in your room in the first place?
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Plenty of college students have drugs in their room.
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Maybe some sort of Fourth Amendment violation too good have taken place.
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The fact that I got back and there was all these cops in my room.
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And, um, yeah, they basically found my bag of steroids.
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You're talking about anabolic steroids at this point.
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But the issue is I had so much of it that when they came the next day...
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And I'm like, I don't really know what to do here.
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Um, I was basically just, like, I think immediately after I got taken, I went to the, I went to the campus doctor.
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And I tried to get her to prescribe me testosterone.
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I was like, do you realize that I'm going to go hypogonadal and you're going to ruin my life if you don't prescribe me testosterone?
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But they're giving, um, like, trannies testosterone every single day, like, when they're, they're 10 years old.
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I don't care about, I don't care about that at all.
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I'm just saying, like, I should also be able to get testosterone.
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I mean, it's interesting when you talk about the concept of gender affirming care.
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Because you're essentially trying to look more like some vision of a man in your head.
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Yeah, that's why people ask me about that all the time.
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And I'm like, um, yeah, I think it's, like, not exactly, like, what I would.
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Just stay with the traditional aesthetic, you know, of, and not necessarily do that.
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That's just not something I actified my brain with.
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Like, you saw how, how fed up Michael Knowles was getting?
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You could be worrying about so much better things.
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Well, you're in a tradition that's interesting, that's a body modification tradition, which
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is that for a very long time in the U.S., post-Second World War, certainly, there's people who've
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And you may not see it this way because you have this kind of idea in your head as a, you
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know, to look, you know, objectively or aesthetic or whatever.
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But people who did really crazy piercings, people with body art all over their bodies.
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I mean, this has been a subculture in America for a really, really long time.
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Well, that's just a different form of autism, I would say.
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I want to bring it back to mental illness.
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Um, no, I think I'm, I'm different in terms of, uh, you know, the way that I think.
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I would say it's just more of a neurodivergence than a mental illness.
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I think I'm very happy with my brain chemistry and my vision on the world.
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I think it's one of the best gifts ever, um, you know, that I'm able to have this.
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Um, I, you've been extremely generous with your time.
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I just, I want to come back to the college thing.
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There's campus police in your room who are seizing your stash, essentially.
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And I was, like, one of the most eloquent writers, um, you could ever encounter on there.
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And I was, like, basically writing threads, uh, every single day on, like, my life.
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I would always put a lot of, like, you know, stuff I would record.
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Um, explaining, like, sort of my nights out was mostly what I was talking about.
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And, um, you know, I also had made threads, uh, talking about, and I would usually include,
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Or I would write threads that were about, like, my steroid cycle.
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Um, like, I've never been one of those guys growing up who was, like, a fake natty or whatever.
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As soon as I started steroids, I, I was, like, very open about it.
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You're a character in the community, essentially.
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I would argue that I was probably, like, the main character.
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And, and someone sent in all of my threads to my school.
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No, that's just, uh, that's just sort of how it, how it works.
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I was just like, oh, okay, well, I guess this is, uh, you know, this is what, this is happening.
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I didn't, I didn't really have any reaction towards it.
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So what they said was, they said, uh, okay, you have to leave campus right now.
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We're going to conduct an investigation, uh, to see, like, what the hell's going on.
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Because, once again, all the s*** that I had, they were like, what the s*** is going on, pretty much.
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And the thing is, the reason I had all the steroids was not to sell, uh, the roids, you know?
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Uh, it was because it was simply so cheap, and, uh, kits of steroids are sold in 10.
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So, yeah, no, I was, uh, never doing anything like that.
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And so, they just were like, okay, well, we have to verify this.
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So, I'm sure conducting interviews with people in my dorm, like, hey, did this guy try to sell you steroids, s***, like that.
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Um, so, they're conducting this interview, and I guess they determined that, uh, I wasn't, or, or something.
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And then, um, basically, they were, were telling me, like, on the meetings, like, I was like, am I going to be reinstated or not?
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And they're like, oh, we gotta wait, we gotta wait.
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So, I was waiting for a decision for, um, like, a pretty long time.
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That's why I didn't make that video until October.
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But, finally, it was, yeah, sorry, we're not going to reinstate you.
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Wait, so when did they, when was the, when did they seize it?
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Three weeks, or maybe less, maybe like two weeks into school.
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Wait, but did you go straight from, like, did the streaming thing take off right when you stopped school?
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But, no, I, I, I pretty much wage cut for my entire life, like, really hard, like, all the time.
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So, I always had a decent amount of, of income.
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And then you, you happened to be on this Cheez's stream, and that's when things really took off.
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Cheez's stream, yeah, but that was, that was, like, a few months ago.
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And, um, then I was a wage cut once again, like, at a, at a restaurant for, um, like, pretty
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Um, I started, I, I've been posting on social media forever, but I started taking it serious
00:58:10.820
around February, making informational content about what I was doing.
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Because I was writing all this stuff on Luxmax, and I wasn't really getting it, because it's
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So, I was like, okay, let me just do TikTok, see how it goes.
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So, I would stand in front of a whiteboard, and I would explain the Luxmaxes I'm doing,
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explain Luxmaxes and, you know, different mechanisms of pharmaceuticals.
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Um, I basically spent, uh, that entire year, like, on, um, all, like, the, the grifters,
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uh, who would just, like, come in and, like, make up retarded, that, that doesn't work,
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like, um, you know, stupid, jaw exercises, and, like, Masai Jumps was another big one.
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Um, yeah, so I was like, this is the most ridiculous thing ever.
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Uh, I hate that the community that, uh, I spent so much time in has become, like, such a joke,
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um, with, with all these ridiculous methods, um, where people were doing, like, there was
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another one that was so silly, like, where you go, like, up with your eyebrows, down with
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your, and it's like, you can get, hunt your eyes or something, and I was like, man.
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So, I would just basically debunk all of these guys' copes, and make my own content, and people
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I, I mean, I, uh, got a pretty decent following, um, right away, because I was already known
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So, I got to, like, 70k on TikTok, and this was in, like, February, or late February, early
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March, um, and then I, I finally got my first sponsorship.
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Um, so, I, I did that, and that, uh, basically made me decide I'm quitting my job, because I
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I was like, once I make 10k a month, I'm gonna quit my job.
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I was like, this shit, I'm out, I just stopped showing up for my shows.
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Yeah, a waiter, and, um, I would be a security guard at night.
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Um, Mitchell sent me something very interesting this morning.
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Yeah, they re-, you know, they renamed, um, the Department of Defense the Department of
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That's like a, um, um, it's a, sort of Trump White House thing.
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Well, dude, they got the two, yeah, I don't know why people put two X's in it.
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The two X's is, um, you know, for, for fake cells.
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It's not coke, it's just for, for fakers, LARPers.
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Um, do you think more broadly, what that makes you wonder is, do you think you should have
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Um, because it's something that, uh, I, I spent years committed to.
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And the, you know, uh, I, because I, I truly did it for the love of the game.
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I was just doing all these posts and for, you know, the community, I was writing, I was
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spending hours writing like informational guides, like, you know, trying to explain different
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Lux Max's and, you know, you could go through my old threads and see how, how in depth they
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I was like, in 2024, I was basically the lab rat of the Lux Max community doing, I, any
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Um, which could have caused me to have fake paralysis, but I just didn't care.
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Just looking at pictures of you, it does seem like it's accelerated in the past, like, two
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I would say that, uh, I did the hardest probably, uh, like in the fall of this year, actually.
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Because I had never really been as, as lean as I was now.
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I had always been like a gym cell where I was like, um, like bulking and, you know, blasting
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more gear, which bloats your face and makes you retain more sodium.
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So, I was always, uh, sort of descended from that.
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And then I basically said, okay, f*** this, kind of stopped going to the gym and mostly
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focused on like caloric restriction and lean maxing, doing cardio.
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And I got shredded and I got tan and it boosted my S&V significantly.
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And I, I blew up on TikTok before I blew up Stream Egg, just because I got a lot better
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And people were like, wow, like Clav's Ascension, uh, is crazy.
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And I was like, well, guys, this is what you can do with two peptides, right on MT2.
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Um, okay, last thing I want to ask you, give me some statistics.
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I think it'd be great to leave this piece with like, clavicular is this tall, weighs this
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much, has a this inch waist, you know, all those different things.
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So, start talking about like different crazy ratios and s***.
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Do you know any other measurements off the top of your head?
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Uh, and there's also the, uh, biachromial width.
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So that means that this is between your eyes and the commissures of your lips.
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Meaning you want, you, in an ideal world it would be a little, you'd stretch it out a little bit.
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Like with a character creator and role playing games.
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So I would do that on, yeah, this is like the kind of stuff I do in Photoshop.
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And that could be done with something called a Lafortu down graft.
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Um, that's basically an osteotomy that is above your nasal bridge right here.
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Do you know any other measurements off the top of your head?
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Is there a face, a male face, that you think is essentially close to perfect?
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Yeah, in terms of like the harmony measurements.
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Do you need to do anything in your face before photos?
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One thing he was talking to me about before we showed up is whether there's any daily, it
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doesn't sound like you're rejecting anything right now, but whether there's any sort of like
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daily prep work or like anything physical that you're going to be doing today that might make
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for a good photo just to illustrate your lifestyle.
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I'll say, uh, a lot of what blew me up is doing the opposite of what, uh, any logical
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So that's why whenever I, I'm hearing like, oh, don't say this, don't say this.
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Uh, you know, I, I genuinely, it's so tempting.
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I, I hate when people tell me not to do things.
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That's the thing that, that always gets me going.
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But no, I, I hate when people tell me not to do things.
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That's sort of like, anytime I do something like really retarded, it's because I'm just
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like, uh, I want to, you know, just say, yeah, go for it.
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It's, um, I am curious given that your parents were not stoked with what you were doing with
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Or I'm wondering now that you're very successful doing this, what they've said.
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That's something we'll get answered, answered without, uh, Mitchell.
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So my parents basically hated me, um, when I first started doing the streaming, cause I
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was talking about, uh, math maxing and all that kind of.
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Um, and like people, and it was blowing up like to a degree that it never, never had before.
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Cause I was posting content on Tik TOK and like, you know, you could find it if you looked,
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but it wasn't like coming on people's mom's Facebook feeds.
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So it happened and it's like their son talking about like methamphetamine, uh, and they just
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Like all their friends were sending it like, Oh my God, you know, what, what's he doing?
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So yeah, my, my parents were like pretty pissed about that.
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Now it's like kind of undeniable because of, um, like how much, uh, money that I make and
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It's like, all right, what are you going to say, you know, yeah, which is like for the
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That's going to sound like a, obviously that's a good number, right?
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If you divide it by the amount of hours you work and the amount of money that I have to
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spend on this content, my guess, guess how much my payroll is for one week.
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So, um, that's just, just all my, all my employees, $42,000.
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This trip costs about $20,000 just for this weekend at Arizona, where I got to buy the whole
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team's flights and the Airbnbs and the Sprinters and like all the, right.
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So I'm getting, um, I'm pretty much getting like, you know, not really making right, right
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Um, I could show you some clips with, with, uh, don't worry.
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So he, uh, said you have a club book with Mike.
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So I think what makes the most sense is if the reporter and I, uh, get to meet you guys
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Uh, it's basically just like the goal now that I sent it is to prove like, okay, this is exactly
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And I'm saying, I'm saying like, I'm one of the best examples of like exactly what I
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was talking about happening is that when you become better looking, your life gets exponentially
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And people are seeing like a literal one-to-one, um, you know, result of this with my success
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with, um, with the ladies, with my blow up on social media.
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You're 20 and you're young, but look, everyone already now has started taking the job.
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It's actually going to like decrease your lipid profile, right?
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That's actually one of the, I take something, I take an ingest of a variable called, um,
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Which is, um, you don't have to worry about this, but basically statins, which is the most
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They basically give you like muscle aches and that kind of thing, which is like, the effect
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I think they're going to be doing this kind of, you know, kind of one of my thoughts on
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the post, but there's something called Repatha, which is inexactable.
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Dude, I got to start going to the gym again because it almost feels silly that, um, I'm
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like so into Luxmax, uh, and everything, but I've given up on the gym.
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Uh, no, I stopped basically when I started streaming just because I, I didn't have time for it.
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You don't need to, to work out necessarily to stay lean.
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Like, uh, weight training is not cardio at all.
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So, um, that's like a mistake people make is they think, oh, I went to the gym.
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I'm going to go eat McDonald's, which is a thousand calories and you're still plus 800
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But you're not, you're not eating good cardio right now?
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So, um, I, I pretty much am able to eat like kind of dog.
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It's just like out of convenience, like fast food while you're, I have to do it.
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You know, I do love Burger King and I had a freak out at that restaurant last night because
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They, they did after I asked, but they gave me all this food that was like a exquisite
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People said, I mean, the thing about food and then like just kind of a gym and I don't
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lift, I do sort of like, you know, like, but like, it's very good for my mental health.
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Um, and I kind of feel like taking the gym and I totally get the kind of like the max
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And it's almost like inefficient to like watch what you eat and like, you know, do all that
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It's almost ridiculous to not do it is the way that I think about it.
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But the sort of like side benefit is I always feel like I'm in a good place mentally.
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But the way that it, uh, actually works on like your dopamine reward system, you literally
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get rewarded more to do work, task intensive things.
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So there's literally nothing that could go wrong.
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But that down regulates your dopamine receptors and causes the dependency.
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There's no, there's literally nothing that could go.
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There's not one bad thing that could happen to you if you take RETA.
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Well, my buddy who worked for New York Magazine just said this, he covered right about that
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He's eating like 700 calories a day and it's wonderful work all day.
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And he said working started giving him, as you say, but literally working made him feel
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Like I'm 41 and my entire life is a certain thing you're a reward and certain things you're
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When you get to be that age, you don't necessarily want to just take a hat and put a hat to it.
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Even if you understand like on the intellectual level, you could gain like, do you see what
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It's like, it's so hard for me to understand normies because their copes are like on a
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Like this is all like, I'm a super blunt person.
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But that, that thought process and that reasoning just sounds so silly to me.
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But I think you want different things out of your life.
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And I mean, I shouldn't get into this because I'm.
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Um, yeah, but you guys are, are welcome to, I'll let you figure it out with Mitchell, whether
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Listen, I told, I told the guys, I was like, I don't want to have to deal with this.