Dale Partridge - Christ in Chronic Illness Pt. 4： A Theology of Big Pharma, Supplements, Diets, & Tools for Wellness

00:00:00.000 Welcome to this episode of Real Christianity. My name is Dale Partridge. We are also having

00:00:24.920 the luxury of my good friend trevor he's going to be here for the probably the final of the four

00:00:31.420 episodes on christ and chronic illness yep maybe you'll be on other shows in the future we don't

00:00:35.660 know yet lord willing but we are in a series a four-part series on finding christ in chronic

00:00:41.220 illness sharing a little bit of my story about what it's like to be chronically ill and i have

00:00:48.000 been suffering from mold toxicity my wife was bit by a spider or something and had a full-blown

00:00:54.360 bullseye rash on her leg. Two weeks later, was bedridden with Lyme disease. That, as we know,

00:01:01.680 is sexually transmitted. That is likely passed off to me. I have another diagnosis of what's

00:01:08.540 called Babesia, which is a blood infection. It's not contagious in the sense that I'm going to pass

00:01:17.360 it off to anybody, but it's, it's a, it's one of the co infections of Lyme disease. The other one

00:01:26.560 is Bartonella. There's a couple others that are pretty common, but that's the struggle that I've

00:01:34.500 been having since 2019 or so. And we've been sharing my story. Also, Trevor, you want to

00:01:42.180 share a little bit, just a background on your story if people are joining for the first time?

00:01:45.440 Yeah. So yeah, I've struggled with celiac and Crohn's for the past 10 years. I'd say for the

00:01:52.900 last two to three years, it's been mostly not disruptive. There's still issues. I still have

00:02:02.280 to avoid gluten for the most part. But really, generally, my health is back to where I want it

00:02:12.260 to be, praise God. Uh, but I've been also been dealing with, with migraine headaches, uh, since

00:02:17.200 I was about 15 or 16. So that's been a little over 20 years now for me. So. Which has gotten

00:02:22.900 dramatically better even since the last year and a half that I've known you. Yes. Yeah. It's, uh,

00:02:28.000 since we moved from, uh, the small town that we were in here in Cottonwood to Sedum or to Prescott,

00:02:35.560 it's drastically better. I think there's like air quality probably plays a factor in it.

00:02:44.940 Also the fact that elevation is like about 2000 feet higher. So there's a handful of things

00:02:52.280 that have really turned the tide for me. So it's been good. I'm blessed.

00:02:58.740 We've been having conversations. I think episode number one, I'm scrolling back on my notes here,

00:03:03.040 was just my story, sharing some of those basics about my story,

00:03:07.280 a little bit about your story,

00:03:08.760 finding Christ's chronic illness, suffering with Christ.

00:03:11.420 We talked about suffering, what that looked like.

00:03:13.480 We also talked about in episode number three,

00:03:16.100 which is the last episode, a biblical lifestyle for healing.

00:03:20.160 Some of just the practical realities that are required

00:03:23.300 by our God-given biology and the principles

00:03:28.140 that we see in scripture for healing.

00:03:29.800 today we are going to be talking about the christian and the pharmaceutical industry or

00:03:36.760 prescription drugs and how we should be thinking maybe a theology of medicine yeah and i'm not

00:03:45.160 saying that we spent a whole ton of time prepping for this episode what i am going to say is that

00:03:50.220 we've had lots of conversations about this yeah we've spent the last uh year and a half where

00:03:57.340 where this has been a regular conversation for us yeah so i'm going to start off and just interject

00:04:05.340 at any given point um i'm going to start with just saying that we know that christ is for healing

00:04:12.620 because we see essentially that uh you know jesus comes he does heal people we we see that healing

00:04:20.540 not that jesus promises healing to everybody who is sick but jesus is a essentially an emblem

00:04:27.180 of the reversal of the fall and we know that with fallen bodies we essentially have sickness

00:04:33.660 death disease is a part of the fall fall of creation the fall of man and jesus is coming

00:04:40.540 to represent that he is a fall reversal figure in the sense that he is the one who will reverse

00:04:47.820 the fall eventually eventually when christ returns and restores everything there will be no more

00:04:54.460 disease there will be ultimate healing provided to every human being that is uh that trusts in

00:05:00.440 christ amen and so um what i say all that is that healing is is a good thing um we have a

00:05:08.540 biblical and theological case for seeking healing yep um and there's also some evidence in scripture

00:05:17.200 that talks about seeking different modalities of healing using different things from alcohol uh

00:05:24.000 you know, Timothy's reference to his stomach hurting. There's also the Proverbs that says

00:05:27.760 giving a dying man alcohol. There's, you know, reference that Luke is a doctor. We understand

00:05:35.120 that he probably leveraged whatever was available for him in that day to essentially use those

00:05:42.880 herbs and resources and medicines that he had available to him. And so I think just the biblical

00:05:49.840 theological landscape is that healing is good. It's to be sought after. Life is to be preserved.

00:05:57.160 I would say, you know, in the sixth commandment of do not murder, there's also another side of

00:06:04.060 that is like preserve life. And so there's an implied principle there. And so I think it's

00:06:09.200 good for us to fight and work for healing. Now, when we think about the medical system

00:06:19.740 today, we certainly have significant problems. I would say there is an institutional distrust

00:06:28.820 that is growing in the medical industry from the traditional medical industry that's maybe

00:06:37.780 more popular in the midwest and the northeast yeah there is far more skepticism of the medical system

00:06:46.020 in the west coast states we have way more organic food stores way more supplementation

00:06:52.100 way more naturopathic doctors uh way more homeopathic remedies and you kind of in the

00:06:59.940 midwest just don't question you know big pharma big medical get your vaccines you know take the drug

00:07:07.780 you know, swallow the pill, do the thing. Well, I think there's, there's been a lot of

00:07:11.880 distrust sowed in the past couple of years. I think we all know what I'm referring to.

00:07:17.860 Yeah. That which we are not looking to talk about.

00:07:22.560 But I mean, it's true. I think the Lord has used things like that, not just in our recent past,

00:07:29.200 but in, in, you know, like a hundred years ago, there, there are things that have occurred within

00:07:34.700 the medical system and the pharmaceutical companies that have made it easy for many

00:07:45.860 people, I think, today to see that there's something more going on than just seeking

00:07:52.700 healing for people. Well, there's been a revelation of information regarding

00:07:59.280 the safety and efficacy of vaccines and pharmaceuticals. And I think that, yeah,

00:08:09.240 we saw, you know, big pharma walk out with, you know, a billion dollars in their pockets

00:08:12.980 through the COVID nightmare. But beyond that, there's also, you know, more and more cases

00:08:19.080 that are happening to correlate, you know, autism with vaccines. There's some studies that say that

00:08:25.200 there is no correlation. But we know that there's heavy metal poisoning that is happening from

00:08:30.800 vaccinations as little kids. I mean, I don't remember the graphic, but you probably have all

00:08:35.260 seen it on social media where there's, it shows like, you know, a baby in 1980 received, you know,

00:08:42.720 three vaccinations for X, Y, and Z. And today, you know, you're receiving like maybe over a

00:08:49.840 hundred vaccines and they're all mixed together. Yeah. So there's, yeah, it was under Ronald

00:08:55.720 Reagan's administration, which is shocking because I think that he was just naive that they were

00:09:00.240 essentially making it illegal to sue pharmaceutical companies for vaccination injuries because they

00:09:06.600 would, so they would blend like three vaccines into one. So you, you wouldn't really have any

00:09:11.480 way to, to know which one caused the injury. Right. We lived across the street from some

00:09:17.620 friends who had who's actually in the medical system as a uh nurse practitioner um his kids

00:09:26.260 were vaccine injured and he went into the naturopathic space and spent many years now

00:09:32.240 studying more of a natural approach to medicine and so um we yeah so essentially we have a corrupt

00:09:40.280 and liberal medical system so it's not just that they're they're corrupt in the fact that they are

00:09:47.320 choosing to put profit over people's healing. Um, but there's also a liberal mentality,

00:09:54.340 which we were just driving down here, listening to Matt Walsh talk about the,

00:09:58.620 um, you know, the transgender, uh, agenda. Yeah. What, what was it like the sex changing

00:10:05.040 clinics? Yeah. It just, the, the gender affirming care that, uh, that many, uh, hospitals are,

00:10:13.460 uh providing for people which is is i think we all know not uh you know any sort of care

00:10:22.060 whatsoever yeah so there is he made a point that there was like over 300 like 10 years ago there

00:10:28.040 was like three clinics in america that did this crazy stuff and now now there's 300 clinics

00:10:33.680 and that episode we listened to was from 2022 i mean who knows how many there are now yeah so

00:10:38.640 again we have a corrupt medical system we also have a pharmaceutical industry i i always think

00:10:43.400 the pharmaceutical industry is like the subscription service of the medical industry so

00:10:47.420 they want you to get on their drug right and keep buying it right um and i'll be honest like i'm not

00:10:55.000 saying that if you take pharmaceuticals that you're you know sinful or something i'm stuck

00:11:00.040 right now on claritin okay so uh i hate it um but i i have a reaction what's called mass cell

00:11:07.300 activation syndrome. And it's basically a histamine issue that's caused by mold toxicity

00:11:14.420 and some of the other infections that came from the Lyme disease. And I found that Claritin helped

00:11:22.620 me overcome some of those things pretty easily. But yeah, I've been on it for a year and a half.

00:11:28.240 Well, and I could have very likely been stuck on a drug that is essentially an immune suppressant that is like, it's almost like a drip.

00:11:40.620 It's like what you would use for like every six to eight week treatment.

00:11:47.380 But these drugs, thank the Lord, I did not go down that route because it's in line with what we're talking about.

00:11:59.180 Like if you take them, you likely can't get off because if you need to get back on them, then there could be adverse side effects from having tried to get off to then needing to get back on.

00:12:12.280 And so, you know, I, I very likely could have gone down that route myself.

00:12:18.840 Now, thank, thank God we, uh, we were skeptical about things just from the, the experiences

00:12:25.100 that we had with, uh, GI doctors, uh, you know, 10 years ago, um, and, and did not go

00:12:32.880 down that path.

00:12:33.680 And, and I feel like the, you know, the Lord has certainly blessed us in that, uh, in that

00:12:38.120 regard.

00:12:38.460 Well, you guys, you found healing without using traditional pharmaceuticals.

00:12:44.760 Correct. Yep.

00:12:45.460 And you were like close to your deathbed.

00:12:47.600 And that's like something that, you know, I think is really important to recognize because, you know, you, what a lot of people do, and this is what the pharmaceutical industry expects.

00:13:00.540 They expect you to say, well, I don't want to change my diet.

00:13:03.260 I don't want to change my lifestyle.

00:13:04.340 I'm going to continue to live as I am.

00:13:06.540 Right.

00:13:06.780 and they go well if you want to just continue living as you are you can take this medicine

00:13:10.540 and allow you to keep living that way but what you're saying is i actually was willing to change

00:13:15.760 my life we had to change everything everything everything and i think that's the the pharmaceutical

00:13:21.520 industry essentially pushes this idea that that their medicines can actually heal your body better

00:13:28.260 than your body can heal your body exactly and we bite because we like the speed yeah we like the

00:13:34.400 idea that i can accomplish quote symptomatic relief yeah uh quickly with this drug well it's

00:13:44.220 it's not like that's the thing that a lot of pharmaceuticals do is it it masks the symptoms

00:13:52.160 it masks the pain and you know in actuality the pain is there to to tell you it's your body's way

00:14:01.820 of saying something's not right we need to address whatever this is and so there's there's real value

00:14:09.180 in that pain and i think there's like the obvious like biblical correlations with understanding pain

00:14:15.940 in that way yeah is that we don't we don't want to just put a band-aid over the pain and again

00:14:21.320 that's not that's not what everybody is doing i'm just saying for me that is essentially what i

00:14:27.680 would have been doing is putting a band-aid over what was essentially saying hey you need to pay

00:14:34.540 attention so i would say that for the most part we need to focus on like what is this pain trying

00:14:44.200 to tell me and how do i need to change in order to uh to relieve my body of of the issues that

00:14:52.700 it's experiencing yeah and i think this comes down to testing yeah uh again there's some great

00:14:59.560 things in the medical industry yeah blessings of the lord there's also an overextension of

00:15:06.220 power and inventive um scheming yeah that has lost the trust we become centrally like you know

00:15:19.620 a generation of lab rats. We are experiencing, again, more distrust with the industry. There

00:15:27.420 are so many drugs. It's just, here's a pill, here's a pill, here's a pill, here's a pill.

00:15:32.200 And that is what we grew up on. I mean, we had now a whole industry that essentially

00:15:37.180 manufactured diagnosis after diagnosis, things that have never been diagnosed before. They're

00:15:43.120 literally manufacturing new names of diseases or things like adhd or gender dysphoria disorder or

00:15:51.300 fibromyalgia like they're they're essentially labeling and categorizing people's you know

00:15:58.640 symptom sets that maybe aren't actually diagnosed with a measurable realities like right adhd my

00:16:05.560 son is he's hyper he's hyper hyperactive and you can't measure that that's like a subjective

00:16:11.340 stance one in a lot of cases it's it's boys being boys yes i i was diagnosed with uh add which is i

00:16:20.220 think the uh the less hyperactive yeah version of adhd yeah uh and was it was put on ritalin

00:16:26.680 um and i think we all know where ritalin is at this point yeah it was it was either banned or

00:16:34.120 renamed yeah to to not hold the same stigma that it it carried after i was you know there was also

00:16:42.700 i don't i wish i looked up the study before but there was a study recently that revealed like

00:16:46.700 the whole term of chemical imbalance right was a complete sham there is no evidence of quote

00:16:52.940 a chemical imbalance in our bodies or brains right and so uh they had a whole generation of

00:17:01.500 people i remember when i was i don't know 20 or something like that and i was struggling with you

00:17:07.140 know anxiety and didn't know the lord and you know i came to christ that that year at least where i

00:17:11.900 came to the church that year and then was in the church and then you know came to christ many years

00:17:16.300 later but i had no grounding or footing whatsoever and i was struggling with anxiety and um i remember

00:17:22.780 the doctor wanted to put me on a drug called paxil and um i took it one day and i woke up the next

00:17:30.240 day and felt like an absolute zombie and i never took it again right and that uh industry was trying

00:17:37.420 to produce all of these these diagnoses of things that we have never labeled before yeah and instead

00:17:48.960 of again healing the problem instead of working patiently towards true healing with the person's

00:17:56.500 body and the eating and the exercise and the counseling that might be required.

00:18:03.000 Yeah. And really pointing them to their need for Christ.

00:18:07.360 Yes. Yeah. And so we're not getting that. So we have a medical industry essentially right now

00:18:14.420 that has proven that they do not actually care if you are healed. Right. There's no profit in

00:18:20.260 healthy people um which is shocking to me honestly because uh i i think that like the medical

00:18:27.840 industry currently right now is really good for heart attack acute issues like you broke your leg

00:18:33.440 you need stitches it's really terrible for people that are chronically ill they're you know i remember

00:18:39.920 when my wife got bit by that tick or bug or whatever it gave her lyme disease uh we went

00:18:45.860 into the doctor's office and they were like there's no such thing as lyme disease in oregon

00:18:50.720 um you know and they gave her a two-day supply of antibiotics to be cautious yeah because we

00:18:57.220 asked for that she's like wait but all the symptoms fit so what's going on here yeah so

00:19:02.200 she she took the two-day and was still just absolutely like so down within two weeks then

00:19:09.780 she tested using um um the standard lyme test she came back cdc positive i mean cdc level positive

00:19:19.740 for lyme disease and she was on antibiotics and again if we could do this again we would do it

00:19:26.480 differently but she was on antibiotics for six months to alleviate that and so this doctor you

00:19:33.340 know didn't know what she was talking about whatsoever she was so prideful about it too

00:19:36.940 um if i tell a doctor about mold toxicity they don't even have a category for how to deal with

00:19:42.460 that right my son has pans or pandas um which is uh you know can have um motor ticks so you know

00:19:53.960 your face and eyes can you might you know hum things or move your fingers around a lot it's

00:19:59.180 a neurological neurological thing um even my daughter you know recently has been like blinking

00:20:03.840 her eyes real hard and like having some of these things in and you can't even go to like a

00:20:09.320 traditional medical professional and they don't they don't even know what to do with that right

00:20:14.320 and so we have an industry right now that is like i feel like is almost like parents that are in the

00:20:19.620 middle of a divorce you have like the conventional medicine and you have like the naturopathic

00:20:24.460 medicine and you're like the child in between you're like like yeah if i break my leg i want

00:20:28.460 to go over there but like if if i'm chronically ill over here and i have quote ibs like you're

00:20:34.460 not solving my problem you're giving me a pill right and i'm going to go over here to the

00:20:39.500 naturopathic doctor who's actually providing solutions and actually cares that you heal

00:20:42.720 right and so i think that the naturopathic world is designed in a place where they actually do

00:20:50.600 care about healing now i will say there's still an agenda there's still an agenda and i think that

00:20:56.260 the supplement world is like a cleaner version of the corrupted pharmaceutical world 100 yeah right

00:21:03.940 so you know you can peddle supplements just like you would now i think they're better for you sure

00:21:10.360 i think they're better for you and probably safer than you um but the but the point of healing is to

00:21:16.080 to get to a place where those things whether pharmaceutical or supplemental aren't necessary

00:21:24.080 because your body is functioning the way that it's supposed to totally yeah exactly you know

00:21:28.340 you have people in the 1700s who you know uh were living into their 80s and they have never taken a

00:21:36.700 supplement in their life i mean um i don't know if maybe they had some sort of random supplement

00:21:41.420 back then but probably not yeah um you know they were bloodletting with leeches and stuff um so

00:21:46.820 okay i want to talk about just pharmaceuticals and supplements for a second and some of the

00:21:52.480 things that have worked for me and for you that are helpful and some of the things that i think

00:21:57.740 you should stay away from um there's an argument that people have said that like oh you know well

00:22:03.440 if you get you know a drug like that the substance of that drug is essentially found in creation so

00:22:10.800 essentially it's it's natural it's good because it was put together by things that are here and

00:22:16.540 I'm like, well, so is heroin, you know, and so is cocaine.

00:22:21.800 And so they're not always good for you.

00:22:23.800 And I think actually-

00:22:24.720 Which I was going to say, those started as pharmaceutical medicine.

00:22:29.960 Totally.

00:22:30.220 I think that there's like a perversion element of like when you have a manufactured compound,

00:22:38.740 there's something that, again, there are unique situations.

00:22:43.760 Certainly.

00:22:44.120 you know morphine on you know when you when your legs blown off at war and huge blessing huge

00:22:52.300 blessing and i'm not saying that you can't take that morphine or but what i'm saying we're talking

00:22:57.080 about the ideal here how do we get to the ideal and and what should we be aiming for as christians

00:23:02.500 and i i'm going to say we should be aiming for getting off pharmaceuticals yeah if you can and

00:23:09.200 getting off supplements if you can and having really good food and having a really good healthy

00:23:14.560 lifestyle that allows your body to thrive and a really good environment with clean air and clean

00:23:19.740 water and a life that's not so incredibly stressful that it's like making itself sick

00:23:25.160 um so when i say naturally occurring substances that's kind of how i'm categorizing the things

00:23:33.820 that i would lean on if you're going to have to lean on something which i do i lean on several

00:23:38.480 things right now. Right. Um, me too. Yeah. And so if I'm putting manufactured compounds as like

00:23:45.180 pharmaceuticals, naturally occurring substances are like herbs and, you know, maybe, maybe

00:23:51.740 isolated vitamins extracted from a particular food. Right. Um, or, you know, probiotics or

00:23:59.680 whatever that may be. Yeah. An example of that is for me, I, I still deal with, with, uh, headaches

00:24:06.640 every now and then thankfully lately they haven't gotten to migraine levels but it's because over

00:24:14.420 the past two or three months i've been taking a supplement called pain rx and it has it has herbs

00:24:22.000 leaves roots all all things that are naturally derived and aren't so chemically altered that

00:24:31.440 they essentially stop being what, you know, they naturally are. And so this, this pain Rx is

00:24:39.720 actually, um, it's, it's an anti-inflammatory, uh, supplement. It's, it's, I think mostly meant

00:24:47.340 for, uh, like joint pain and things like that, which is also caused by inflammation. Uh, but

00:24:54.280 it has, it has done, uh, such a huge, uh, it's made such a huge difference in my, uh, you know,

00:25:04.480 process of dealing with headaches, uh, that it, it has, it's brought them down to, to a level that

00:25:11.860 I've, I haven't experienced in my adult life really. And so they're like, it's been a blessing.

00:25:19.060 i think that the pharmaceuticals set unrealistic expectations for naturally occurring substances so

00:25:25.460 like you have a pharmaceutical that you're like i took ibuprofen and in 20 minutes i'm not going

00:25:29.620 to hurt anymore you know and and i think when you have supplements there's a bit of a loading phase

00:25:35.860 right and a longer uh a longer effect slower burn to get the results that you need yeah and so you

00:25:44.160 know maybe the first time you took it you're like okay i don't know but after you start taking it

00:25:48.300 over and over again you start loading your body yeah there's a supplement called quercetin that

00:25:52.840 i take and it's uh you know there's quercetin in apples uh it's a natural antihistamine and it's

00:25:59.980 really good for people with uh allergy related issues it's also a great supplement for boosting

00:26:06.740 your immune system and uh you know it got really popular in covid but i was taking it before

00:26:11.940 covid it's it's yellow um so yellow that are like stain your clothes yep and you know yeah you're

00:26:18.440 not going to start seeing an antihistamine effect for you know 60 to 90 days of taking it orally

00:26:25.560 now you can take it in a fat soluble format where it's it's getting into your fat cells quicker and

00:26:31.360 that'll that'll maybe speed that up you can take it in a capsule and it'll be a little bit slower

00:26:35.860 but it's essentially preparing your body yes it's it's doing more than just masking the pain it's

00:26:41.960 it's getting your body to a place where like for for me with the the pain rx supplement like i've

00:26:49.940 had less headaches so i've had to take that less even and so it's it's just it's it's actually

00:26:55.600 prepping your body to be able to handle what you weren't like previously able to to naturally

00:27:02.500 handle yeah and i think guys a lot of us that are sick that you are struggling with a variety of

00:27:09.220 things you know again testing is very important you want to get down and have have firm answers

00:27:14.660 do blood work um you know we've we've both done tons of blood work yeah it's really good because

00:27:21.460 it gives you optics on what's your particularly your your issue is particularly uh that you're

00:27:26.720 fighting yeah so for me i i think that my main issue uh from my test results is you the mold

00:27:33.500 made me really sick because i was weakened by the blood infection babesia um and i've also

00:27:40.520 came up positive for bartonella which is a form of cat scratch fever um my lime actually isn't

00:27:45.920 really on it's not i don't have the titers is what they're called that's demonstrating that i

00:27:50.520 have a lime infection it's really i'm struggling with i've been scratched by cats and like you

00:27:55.980 know random cats so many times my life um and so it makes sense to have the bartonella and then

00:28:01.920 um again when your immune system is healthy enough you don't have to worry about that because

00:28:06.920 essentially your body can fight your immune system strong enough but you start to get enough

00:28:11.480 of these microbes into your body and it suppresses your immune system and it can't fight off uh you

00:28:17.900 know the typical mold or the typical virus the typical microbe um you're weakened over here

00:28:25.440 and it just causes a chain reaction for all of these other issues.

00:28:31.640 Yeah. So you want to strengthen your immune system,

00:28:35.360 supplement your immune system and your body.

00:28:37.280 And I'm going to say your organ system.

00:28:39.120 So like for me, I've spent the last year focusing heavily on my liver and kidneys.

00:28:45.480 I take a kidney tincture that I get from Mary's, what's it called?

00:28:53.220 Mary Ruth's.

00:28:53.940 mary ruth's it's got like a kidney and bladder thing and i've had significant kidney pain and

00:28:58.460 and healing over that um and kidney stones and some of the other things um there's other things

00:29:04.460 that you can take for your liver dandelion tea um is a good one as well and which there's i i

00:29:11.000 noticed that you know in texas when i when we lived there um dandelions are considered a weed

00:29:18.540 And so I think it's interesting to see the way that like things like, like dandelion and other, uh, like natural growing, like flowers have been deemed like bad.

00:29:32.160 And it's like, there's almost just a stigma of like, oh, you don't want, you don't want dandelions in your, in your yard.

00:29:37.280 Green grass.

00:29:37.680 When they're actually, like, you could go out and pick those and have a natural defense from them when you make them, like, in tea or something like that.

00:29:48.680 So, it's just an interesting correlation there.

00:29:51.800 Yeah.

00:29:52.400 So, I want to talk about, like, one particular supplement that I think is, you know, I've done a lot of research on.

00:30:00.100 And there's a handful of, like, natural antibiotics.

00:30:02.960 So if you're chronically ill, it's likely that you might have one or two things, but you certainly have some sort of microbes or viruses or bacteria that are overwhelming your body.

00:30:13.860 And there's a handful of natural antibiotics that are proven to be, honestly, just as strong as pharmaceutical antibiotics, but you can be on them far longer, if not indefinitely, without causing significant damage to your body like an antibiotic.

00:30:32.480 so an antibiotic is essentially like a bomb it blows up everything the good bacteria the bad

00:30:39.140 bacteria right um if you can avoid that you you want to um there are moments where you need to

00:30:46.620 take an antibiotic to save your life and you do that um but there are there are a few natural

00:30:53.460 antibiotics i want to talk about one of them that i've been taking for a long time is garlic allicin

00:30:58.020 and so allicin is essentially the the strong antimicrobial element of garlic yeah um and you

00:31:06.580 can buy garlic allicin pills which have extracted that allicin and i mean it is a very strong natural

00:31:12.980 antibiotic in fact if you take it and you're you're you're riddled with bacteria and viruses

00:31:20.020 you might actually have a what's called a herxheimer reaction which is where you essentially

00:31:24.580 have die off of that disease or microbe in your body that circulates in your blood system as it

00:31:31.740 your body detoxes it and what happens is if you if you're detoxing uh if you're killing faster

00:31:38.140 than your body's able to detox the dead pathogen right you'll feel sick your liver will hurt your

00:31:44.300 kidneys will hurt you'll feel like you have the flu um and a lot of people stop taking it because

00:31:48.560 of that i just say slow down so i'm a micro doser um i micro dose everything i just told you on the

00:31:54.320 car like my dose structure for my current stuff that i'm taking yeah so i'm taking another one

00:32:00.280 so garlic allison is one of them the other one is a an herb that you find in west africa

00:32:04.800 mostly in ghana it's called crypto lepsis and it's a plant it's a root and it is i mean i'm

00:32:13.200 talking like john hopkins level research on its efficacy towards malaria it is just as effective

00:32:21.680 as like chloroquine which is like a antibiotic that will you'll be given if you have malaria

00:32:28.940 um babesia the stuff that i'm the infection i'm struggling is is like a low chronic form of

00:32:36.140 malaria so it's that's really why i i chose that and lots of practitioners have used cryptolepsis

00:32:43.360 and have you you've seen good results uh i have so i've seen good results i've taken it in the

00:32:49.040 past i'm taking it i'm taking it again um and i i i started feeling better and i stopped taking it

00:32:54.200 which i should have just stayed on it um but it's very strong and again you know you got to do your

00:32:59.480 own research and talk to your own health providers about all this stuff that on how you're going to

00:33:04.740 decide your own plan but do some research but cryptolepsis um the way i'm i'm dosing it right

00:33:12.020 now is i have like a water bottle with 32 ounces of water in it and i put one drop in it and i'm

00:33:18.080 taking um one tenth of that water bottle a day right um next week i'll do you know two tenths

00:33:26.320 and then the next day or the next week i'll do you know maybe half of that water bottle in a day

00:33:31.260 and i'll work my way up to say four or five drops um now if you're not riddled with infections

00:33:38.440 you could probably take more and have no reaction like my wife can probably pop three or four drops

00:33:45.680 and she's fine right like if i took a whole drop i'd have so much die-off detoxing that i'd be

00:33:52.580 laid out and you don't want to push your limits so hard when you're trying to heal just be patient

00:34:00.540 and go okay if i just stay consistent yep six months from today i'll be taking a full strong

00:34:07.420 dose of this stuff and make progress which to us in our day and age sounds like sounds like a long

00:34:14.480 time but six months like that if you can see progress within six months and keep that that

00:34:20.820 train going or you continue to see progress there's going to be setbacks yeah because there's

00:34:25.640 there's always factors that we can't necessarily see yeah but if you can get to that point where

00:34:32.880 you're like i'm seeing progress keep going because i mean me having dealt with the crohn's and the

00:34:40.080 celiac disease for, for 10 years now, like I can tell you it is a, it's, it's, we're, we're taking

00:34:47.440 the, the long route to healing, but healing is, is at the end. You actually have real healing

00:34:53.720 actually. Yeah. Yeah. Um, a couple other herbs to check out. And these are like,

00:35:01.020 you know, these are like the herbs you're probably going to find at Whole Foods. Actually,

00:35:04.760 I'm going to say you're not going to find them at Whole Foods. Um, Woodland Essence is the company

00:35:08.720 that I buy my herbs from,

00:35:10.480 it's probably, in my opinion,

00:35:11.680 the best place that you can buy herbs

00:35:14.060 or the most pure form.

00:35:16.500 Nutramedix is another one

00:35:17.800 that provides really solid,

00:35:20.880 potent, pure forms of herbs.

00:35:27.260 And so...

00:35:27.920 And my wife and I,

00:35:29.560 we've taken essential oils,

00:35:33.260 Young Living.

00:35:34.300 I think there's also another brand

00:35:35.620 called doTERRA.

00:35:37.000 Yeah.

00:35:37.160 We're not like sponsored or supporting any one of these in particular.

00:35:42.520 But yeah, for me, it was oregano oil that really helped kill the bad bacterias that I had.

00:35:50.480 The reason that I was diagnosed with both celiac and Crohn's is because of this bad bacteria.

00:35:57.940 And the naturopathic doctor that I was seeing suggested oregano oil.

00:36:05.220 And I used it topically for probably about a year and a half to two years.

00:36:11.160 Smelt like an Italian restaurant for a while.

00:36:14.960 But it killed the bacteria and I haven't had an issue with it since.

00:36:21.700 And that was, I think, maybe, I don't know, five or six years ago.

00:36:26.160 Well, oregano is on my list of powerful antibiotic features.

00:36:31.220 Right.

00:36:31.360 features that would be one of the uh the herbs that would would essentially like push you over

00:36:38.040 the edge you got to be careful with oregano um oregano we used to have our chickens and we'd

00:36:43.300 put a couple drops of oregano oil in their water to keep them basically when you buy your chicken

00:36:48.940 they're like no antibiotics and i'm like yeah like don't give your like people actually give

00:36:54.380 their chickens antibiotics and i go well i still want to keep my chickens healthy so i'm just

00:36:58.560 giving him oregano and that was a fantastic solution um so oregano garlic allicin creptolepsis

00:37:05.080 uh two more that are really powerful kind of they have like a broad spectrum of antimicrobial effects

00:37:14.000 is um cat's claw which is another root plant and is sold uh under the brand name cemento by

00:37:25.800 Nutramedix. Really good for Lyme disease and a very helpful... It actually solved my gastritis

00:37:34.820 years ago that was caused by Bartonella. Another one that I've used in the past that is important

00:37:44.380 is Japanese knotweed. So these are like killers. These are like... I think we live in a time...

00:37:51.120 We're also like the only country that doesn't deworm our population.

00:37:56.120 Right.

00:37:56.720 And so, you know, we have parasites in us at various degrees.

00:38:00.340 I mean, I have friends that are, I just talked to someone.

00:38:05.440 I don't know who it was, but, oh, it was our friend, the doctor.

00:38:08.880 Yeah.

00:38:10.140 That they were, one of those patients were doing a parasite cleanse

00:38:13.400 because they spent several years overseas.

00:38:16.920 and they had like a nine inch worm come out recently and and they've already been parasite

00:38:27.360 cleansing for some time like maybe a year so what i'm saying is that there there are parasites uh

00:38:35.420 you know especially if you eat organic right um so you're you're eating like if you look at broccoli

00:38:41.260 like i get broccoli organic broccoli and and if you like peel the broccoli back oh i know oh man

00:38:47.820 there's bugs in there yeah so you're eating dead bugs we've essentially submerged all of our

00:38:52.940 vegetables in like water and and i think vinegar yeah uh to to basically kill all of the little

00:39:01.540 bugs as much as we could yeah and then just you know cook it hot cook it real hot say a prayer

00:39:07.260 to the lord asking him to bless it yeah but yeah it's it's interesting how much of that like we

00:39:15.560 don't like that used to be common knowledge they're like they're they're gonna be bugs on

00:39:20.440 here you need to take care of it wash your vegetables wash your vegetables like now we

00:39:24.520 we just do like a quick rinse and and go because everything's been sprayed with something and

00:39:29.240 everything's slow or everything's fast-paced we're just like i don't have time yeah so those

00:39:34.220 are the acute a few things for inflammation um there's a couple things the pain rx uh one of

00:39:41.800 another one is cure cumin which is the all the you know all the fluff about turmeric yeah it's

00:39:50.980 because of cure cumin which is in turmeric yep and so there is you can take you know a cure cumin

00:39:57.520 supplement that's like a hundred times that you would get if you put it like on your food super

00:40:01.900 concentrated yeah and so that's their same thing with resveratrol um which is a compound in red

00:40:10.020 wine the highest uh the highest wine that would have the most resveratrol would be uh pinot noir

00:40:17.060 and that's a great uh great supplement but you can buy it in a concentrated form as well

00:40:25.120 um and just a couple like vitamins that i think we should just talk about briefly yeah when you're

00:40:34.600 sick you you can't process trans thermal or transdermal vitamin d uh it's you're out in the

00:40:45.480 sun like i'm in the sun a lot yeah and i just got blood tests done and i'm low on vitamin d 0.91

00:40:50.920 and i'm like because you're not absorbing i'm not absorbing yeah so the transdermal function

00:40:55.740 of my skin because i'm ill is not it's not i need a supplement vitamin d right now and i live in

00:41:01.260 arizona okay and i play pickleball i think there's plenty of sun here yeah there's plenty of sun and

00:41:06.740 i'm outside a lot and i'm still not getting enough vitamin d and vitamin d is vital for just so many

00:41:12.100 different functions so um you know having a supplement for that um there there are lozenges

00:41:18.820 there are gummies there are you know um different foods that you can have that have more vitamin d

00:41:26.240 you know even milk you know just organic grass-fed you know milk yep um and then i would say you know

00:41:34.760 potentially a probiotic because we just destroy our own guts um i use seeking health that brand

00:41:40.240 i think is a very good and trusted um supplement company for their probiotic line there are also

00:41:46.940 plenty of like decent like kombucha if you've ever heard of that that that's a good option for

00:41:52.720 probiotic um i think sauerkraut is is good for probiotics so there's there's plenty of options

00:41:59.280 uh again that are food yeah you need to do your research do you do due diligence um but there

00:42:05.460 there are plenty of options for you out there and again you know same with you know same with

00:42:09.920 omega same with uh those things now you know it's funny like i look at michaela peterson who jordan

00:42:15.780 peterson's daughter she only eats meat um and she's still doing that yeah years in she's pretty

00:42:21.160 sick but she's also like she only eats meat i mean like she only eats meat yeah and salt and so when

00:42:28.780 you think about that for a second i mean it's pretty incredible because you know one i will say

00:42:34.100 steak is like a multivitamin it is okay so steak is really good for you but she's certainly not

00:42:40.120 getting enough vitamin c and you're like how does that function and i did some research on that

00:42:46.660 you know when your body's processing meat like that and your body doesn't demand as much vitamin

00:42:52.260 c and right and so what i'm saying is that this is like you got a supplement that's going to fit

00:42:58.180 your world um and it's not like again i feel like they've told us like the food pyramid and like

00:43:05.540 all these percentages that we need you're like i don't think we're even using the food pyramid

00:43:09.000 anymore i know right like it should actually i think it should have always been like flipped

00:43:12.320 upside down or something but yeah um and and so uh the other things that i would say is magnesium

00:43:20.160 there's always a massive shortage on people that are sick of magnesium um that's that's been one

00:43:27.500 of my bigger issues is that i like like you're saying earlier my my body's not really fully

00:43:34.780 capable of absorbing magnesium so even if i were to take like a high dosage of it like my my body

00:43:43.640 can only process so much yep and so i'm deficient in that and i'm still working to uh to to strengthen

00:43:51.360 my body so that i can absorb the proper amount and there's even you can you can take magnesium

00:43:57.140 supplement you can also take uh a seeking health has a good magnesium supplement you can also take

00:44:02.360 um like get a magnesium infusion like through an iv which again i've done before yeah and we've had

00:44:09.120 other friends that have done it like man in that last a long time again this is you know a little

00:44:14.980 bit outside of my naturally occurring substance category right but um i would also say trace

00:44:20.920 minerals i think our water is often stripped of minerals or we're having toxic water that's like

00:44:26.000 don't drink tap water people if you're a tap water drinker who well water's fine um depending where

00:44:31.940 you live don't drink well water straight if you live in arizona because we have like the highest

00:44:36.500 levels of arsenic in our water so you need to have a filtration system here um but i use trace

00:44:43.560 minerals uh it's i use the endure because i play a lot of pickleball so i sweat so i sweat out a lot

00:44:48.680 of minerals right and i put those minerals in my water every day um again that seems to have helped

00:44:55.160 me as an athlete um to do those things celtic sea salt that also has good naturally occurring

00:45:02.400 minerals i think it has magnesium in it even it does and it's way better than redmond sea salt

00:45:07.160 yeah um and it is i think sold out in a lot of places yeah i think there's someone that revealed

00:45:13.840 that redmond sea salt had like something wrong with it and then everybody just switched he

00:45:20.040 switched over and then took it all out yeah and so i just have that on stake all the time it's

00:45:24.720 so good for you um so i think just those are some of the the hot tips um there's another thing that

00:45:31.600 i wanted another um i forgot the name of the the it's a it's a honey bee supplement it's the it's

00:45:40.880 what makes the uh the hive is made out of out of it yeah i'm talking about remember what's her name

00:45:46.720 her son had it on there from our church um man i know what you're talking about it's the like

00:45:52.860 real tar george had it like like sticky stuff yeah yeah anyways there's a company uh that

00:45:59.800 makes the uh like suckers they're like honey suckers with vitamin d and zinc in them yeah

00:46:08.160 and um it's like bees something just look it up it's not birds bees and i buy them at whole foods

00:46:15.760 and i i suck on one of those a day because it's like a great thing for me like oh it's kind of

00:46:20.600 like a hard candy. It's also honey. I don't know. I'm drawing a blank on it too. Cause I was taking 0.94

00:46:25.320 that like, Oh yeah. You took it for a while ago. I was taking it for a little while and don't know

00:46:31.720 why I can't think of it. So pick and choose your things that you're going to do. Well, that's what

00:46:35.600 I was going to say. Like, like we are sharing our experiences with the supplements and the vitamins

00:46:42.580 and minerals and things that we have, have used and seen progress from. Again, we're not

00:46:50.080 medical professionals. So let's just clear that up. But we have been through the ringer when it

00:46:57.080 comes to illness and have seen and have been advised by holistic medical doctors, naturopaths,

00:47:06.860 things like that, that have helped us get to where we are now. And what we're talking about

00:47:12.720 is real healing and not just-

00:47:16.360 Multi-year long healing.

00:47:18.460 Like I am better than I was, you know, six months ago.

00:47:23.480 I am better than I was six months before that.

00:47:26.620 Like you got to look at it in six month chunks

00:47:30.160 and recognize that if you're chronically ill,

00:47:32.160 it might take you 10 years to heal.

00:47:34.420 Yeah.

00:47:34.800 And that's okay.

00:47:36.760 I like that assessment.

00:47:38.040 You look at it at six month increments

00:47:40.840 and then you reassess.

00:47:42.400 yes what do i need to continue to do what can i you know you know pull away from and and switch

00:47:48.540 and one thing i've made a mistake on is that like i've pulled out a supplement because i'm feeling

00:47:55.460 better right thinking you don't need it thinking you don't need it and one friend of mine who's

00:48:01.900 also a doctor said if you're going to pull something out try to replace it with something

00:48:06.220 else and it doesn't have to be a supplement just maybe it's you pull out quercetin and replace it

00:48:12.340 with the sauna you know whatever you know you pull out something else but now you're you're at

00:48:19.060 the gym four days a week right or you pull out vitamin d because you feel like you're absorbing

00:48:24.800 it now and you know you're going to replace it with you know a vitamin c supplement i don't know

00:48:30.160 um or an omega or or whatever and so um just be careful that you you know you feel good and then

00:48:38.740 you you change it up and you're like i've done that i felt great change it up it felt worse and

00:48:43.820 i'm like oh i gotta get back to where i was yeah and um and journal take notes about what's working

00:48:51.400 and how you feel um and i was gonna say i like we've talked about this before but i've i've done

00:48:57.440 something called muscle testing which like before i i you know my wife and i started doing these

00:49:04.920 muscle tests, I would have told you like, you're crazy to think that that actually works to help

00:49:11.780 you figure out what you might need to take, what you might not need to take. And I have seen

00:49:19.520 that it has helped me pull out things that I needed to pull out and incorporate things that

00:49:25.680 I needed to incorporate. So do some research on what muscle testing is. We could probably do a

00:49:32.120 whole episode on a topic like that but um that's that's been a big help to uh for me to to help

00:49:40.020 assess like what i might what my body would respond to positively versus like negatively

00:49:46.660 yeah amen so we'll close with that and that god is all about healing and ultimately our bodies

00:49:55.380 will be healed in the resurrection of our bodies um and and he has designed us to thrive

00:50:02.380 He's designed us to thrive

00:50:03.320 and there's nothing wrong with praying for healing.

00:50:05.780 There's nothing wrong with getting anointed

00:50:07.080 by the elders of your church with oil.

00:50:10.000 But also trusting too that if healing doesn't come

00:50:13.640 when we want it to or how we want it to,

00:50:17.860 that we can still trust in God

00:50:21.900 and his sovereignty over all things.

00:50:25.320 Yeah, it's not that you don't have enough faith.

00:50:26.740 Yeah, we're not finding comfort in our circumstance.

00:50:31.900 no we're finding comfort in christ who god is and what he's done for us in christ and

00:50:37.240 sometimes the prayer is lord if you're not going to take this from me give me the strength to

00:50:41.840 endure it amen and that is very common and he answers that prayer he does and he accomplishes

00:50:48.700 so much in healing uh and suffering yep and so we just need to remember that and resting in that

00:50:55.340 reality and so i hope this series has been helpful for you uh it's kind of an off-topic series for a

00:51:01.900 Christian ministry to do. But I know there's a lot of chronically ill Christian people in our

00:51:07.520 society. It's a topic that I don't think is tackled all that often in the church. And so I

00:51:14.900 think it's a good thing for Christians to discuss, to wrestle with, to pray about,

00:51:22.340 because ultimately we want God to get the glory for whether we heal or whether we remain sick

00:51:30.840 when we're weak, we're made strong.

00:51:34.640 And so we want to make sure that this is a topic

00:51:38.840 that we can talk about openly and freely and comfortably

00:51:43.920 and knowing that it's going to look different for everybody

00:51:46.340 and God will still be glorified regardless.

00:51:50.720 Amen. Amen.

00:51:51.880 Well, hopefully this episode series was helpful for you guys.

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00:52:23.420 but I have lots of really powerful shows

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00:52:27.420 as we jump out of the health space

00:52:29.180 and back into theology and doctrine and Bible

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00:52:37.160 I'm Dale Partridge, Trevor West.

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Dale Partridge - October 03, 2023

Christ in Chronic Illness Pt. 4： A Theology of Big Pharma, Supplements, Diets, & Tools for Wellness

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