Dale Partridge - Christian Nationalism, Trad Culture, and Interracial Marriage

00:00:00.000 Well, I'm here with Pastor Dale Partridge, and we wanted to talk about all things trad

00:00:06.280 culture, because you're kind of the online thought leader when it comes to that, and

00:00:12.320 the trad culture and the trad vibes, and I guess we should probably both introduce ourselves

00:00:18.020 because it's two totally different audiences.

00:00:20.060 So for those of you who don't know me, I am John Walnick, the charismatic Calvinist online.

00:00:25.160 I'm not a feminist.

00:00:26.180 I am not a Zionist just right off the bat because I know as soon as you disagree with somebody in

00:00:31.660 the internet it's either he's a feminist or he's a Zionist or he's a liberal so it's like nope I'm 0.64

00:00:35.860 I am aggressively conservative and aggressively not I'm not anti-Israel but I'm not pro-Israel

00:00:42.820 and I'm not a feminist I believe in male headship I'm not an egalitarian etc etc check all those

00:00:48.660 boxes nope you can't call me these things you are wearing Tucker's neocons who for Israel can't say 0.78

00:00:54.580 the name just a podcaster man um yeah no that's the hat i love this dude neocons are gay for israel 0.56

00:01:02.440 um just google it uh because i'm not endorsing anyone um i'm kidding i got two compliments on 0.54

00:01:09.580 this hat yesterday within 30 minutes i was at a founding fathers last night and uh completely

00:01:15.960 different people one guy comes in he's got a solus christus tattoo on his forearm and just

00:01:20.680 stops like dude that's a sick hat big old family and then completely different demo it's like a

00:01:24.640 younger gal same thing she's like i've got she had she had the hat she's like we've got the same hat 0.99

00:01:28.260 so it seems that's a totally separate conversation but it seems like the uh the neocons are gay for

00:01:34.060 israel is a pretty unoffensive you know undivisive take nowadays although depends on who you ask

00:01:40.700 and yeah john and i have been friends for some time now um this is our second in-person meeting

00:01:46.680 yeah yeah but we both live in arizona um i live in the uh better part of arizona yeah yes you do

00:01:53.020 actually and uh i bag on the people that live in phoenix but he reached out and said hey let's do

00:01:58.080 a conversation around trad culture and so we're here in my studio and it's a fantastic studio

00:02:03.780 yeah it's not a green screen a lot of people think it's a green screen no this is actually

00:02:06.880 my office yeah i think i'm original with my vibe and i'm like oh he he did my vibe but way better

00:02:11.640 way cooler so it's very cool in here i like it yeah i've got i don't know if you see i have the

00:02:16.260 kind of the the tartan wallpaper and all that and then come in you're like your shells are way

00:02:20.260 nicer than mine so very very cool deal partridge studios approved it's very it's very cool but

00:02:25.120 yeah so on on the trad stuff so like uh i just put out a real at the time of recording this

00:02:29.900 that uh i where i say the little rage bait at the beginning is um stay-at-home moms are not in the

00:02:36.100 bible and uh of course you know it's the rage bait and all that and and my thesis is essentially

00:02:42.800 if you want to be a stay-at-home mom great fantastic good for you there's nothing wrong

00:02:47.380 with that it's not sinful but if you want to work outside of the home and you are not doing so at

00:02:53.940 expense of the home as a woman then great awesome no problem with that and it's kind of like where

00:03:00.500 I think Doug Wilson had a video on this forever ago talking about this is like 10 years ago and

00:03:05.200 that was kind of his same take not to appeal to authority here but that was kind of his same take

00:03:08.460 was that you know you can work outside of them so long it's not at the expense of the home and

00:03:12.000 i think it comes from i think it's titus yeah titus too where where it says you should be um

00:03:16.800 keepers of the home keepers of the home idea of being like the mother is the is this the wife

00:03:21.180 slash mother is the ceo of the home in terms of what's going on while the while the father's out

00:03:26.360 doing whatever he's doing um but that doesn't especially in 2026 that doesn't preclude you

00:03:31.940 from doing things outside the home whether that's digitally outside the home or physically outside

00:03:36.340 of the home. And I think that when you say that, and I don't mean to just monologue here,

00:03:41.840 you can jump in whenever. The point that I would make is I agree with the fact that there's no

00:03:49.880 children maybe, the children are grown. I think there are times of financial necessity.

00:03:56.920 um they're also a reality of uh depends on the work and so i don't believe that women are equally 1.00

00:04:07.300 equipped for all jobs oh definitely not right so and i know you agree with that too so if a woman 0.99

00:04:13.440 says i my kids are grown i've homeschooled them or or educated them for 15 years and now i would 0.99

00:04:22.900 like to teach kindergarten in second grade at the local Christian private school, I think that's a

00:04:30.240 wonderful thing. And I think it's a very feminine act. It's a nurturing thing. Yes. Or if she wants 1.00

00:04:36.780 to do mercy ministries or work that has to do with the care of others or hospice, these are more

00:04:43.700 feminine uh expressions of career yeah and so i think that yes on on point number one which is

00:04:52.500 is there exceptions to the rule the rule is yes if you have children especially young children

00:04:57.700 your job is to keep the home your your your also your duty as a wife is to be helping your husband

00:05:03.860 and so all of your all of your help all of your being in existence should be within the shadow

00:05:09.700 of your husband okay and what i mean by that is if your husband might not because you're going to

00:05:15.000 offend a lot of people by saying in the shadow so for example like um i appreciate uh a lot of

00:05:25.040 what ali stuckey says yeah but she is operating outside of the shadow of her husband in fact it

00:05:30.620 seems at least from the outside that her husband's maybe operating within her shadow okay um meaning

00:05:37.040 that is who's helping who here right now i don't know their personal life so maybe there's some

00:05:41.820 more uh you know nuance to what's going on there she's just an easy example but let me give you

00:05:47.220 like another example is that if you have a concrete company and you have 10 employees 0.70

00:05:53.000 uh your wife should be desiring to help her husband where he is and in his needs hey is

00:05:59.700 there any help that i can do can i do the accounting can i do the uh the legal stuff can i do um you

00:06:05.760 know managing some of the employees whatever it may be that i think is also a valid expression

00:06:09.660 of that but if she says you know i actually want to go pursue my own individuality yeah sure i don't

00:06:17.120 think that that is also god's design i don't think it was like hey adam and eve yeah hey here's this

00:06:22.840 help me for you hey eve go be an individualist where you can go yeah you can go seek your own

00:06:27.680 path your own career separate from your husband yeah you said a lot there i'm glad you you said

00:06:31.800 you made the distinction like before kids after kids because what's you might you may have seen

00:06:35.440 you might not have uh what i'm seeing actually a lot of in you know i'm i turned 31 on monday

00:06:40.720 and so kind of in the younger millennial older gen z group of people i'm seeing stay-at-home wives

00:06:47.140 with no kids and that blows my mind like i i i i don't see how that could be interpreted in any

00:06:55.840 other way other than slothfulness right because it's like if you don't have any kids to take care

00:07:00.920 of and y'all are renting a one-bedroom apartment it's not like you got a whole lot of home to keep

00:07:05.680 it just seems like you're you're letting your husband retire you at you know 19 years old

00:07:09.400 well and there's a last there's a loss of the domestic trades yes and there's no domestic

00:07:16.300 training what should be happening in that period of life would be if she was born of a family that 0.90

00:07:23.600 had multiple children she might be helping her mother uh care for her younger siblings yeah she

00:07:30.500 might be learning uh cooking and cleaning and household management and child rearing from other 0.95

00:07:37.060 people she also might be helping other women in the church babysit and care and and and nurture

00:07:43.520 the little ones she might be supporting the mercy ministries at her church sure i think all of these 0.97

00:07:48.440 things need to be restored rather than hey let's go back and just go get a marketing job at the

00:07:53.200 local agency when i think i i don't i don't mean to to accuse you of of straw manning but i think

00:07:58.560 that is something I hear often like so let's talk about you said a couple things like you know it's

00:08:04.240 the home life has changed right and now the young married woman is in a one-bedroom apartment not

00:08:09.820 on the family homestead or whatever and that's changed and we can't get it back at least anytime 0.99

00:08:14.440 soon so there's a couple things I think that when you say hey I think women should be allowed to

00:08:19.940 work you know moms or wives or whatever outside the home the immediate kind of gut reaction is 0.99

00:08:24.700 you think they should just be boss babes and corporate executives and ceos and it's like well

00:08:29.180 for starters no one at 20 is getting a boss babe job they're they're getting like you know a 0.51

00:08:33.660 receptionist job or in a you know low low low level you know coordinator role they're not

00:08:38.540 jumping right into some kind of huge career um but i think that you know there's a lot more

00:08:45.340 jobs roles careers out there besides like you know the executive downtown you know high rise

00:08:51.660 So I think what you're saying is that, yeah, we have to live in reality.

00:08:55.160 And the reality is that we have a completely broken church, family, world, culture.

00:09:01.640 And so how do we operate in that world?

00:09:04.360 Yeah, because what I've seen, and I said this off camera before, is what I've seen a lot of guys doing.

00:09:08.760 And I'm not saying it's a sinful thing.

00:09:10.020 I'm not saying it's a wrong thing at all. 0.89

00:09:12.060 But we will pine for this traditional Christian America. 0.99

00:09:19.540 and it's not the 1780s it's not the 1850s pick a decade it's always like the 1950s and i think

00:09:27.780 that's what confuses me uh because i see it a lot i mean i've seen it from your content i've seen it

00:09:32.580 god bless him i love the guy and this isn't an attack but like josh haimes i've seen a lot from

00:09:35.880 him as well where it's like um this you know women should dress modestly for example you see that and

00:09:42.040 then the examples you see of like modest outfits are not outfits that would be modest in the 1890s

00:09:47.440 or even the 1920s, they're always outfits that would be considered modest in the 1950s.

00:09:51.540 And so my question is, okay, maybe changing gears here a little bit. Are we being a little

00:09:56.060 anachronistic in our application of biblical virtue? And are we looking to a particular

00:10:01.680 decade and saying that was the most Christ-like decade, let's pursue that. And if it's your

00:10:06.720 personal favorite, all means. Yeah. I think that 1950s was the peak external Christian society.

00:10:17.440 I don't think that it was the peak internal Christian society.

00:10:21.580 I think 1790 was peak internal American society or Christian society.

00:10:29.520 But I think when we look at the 1950s, we see kind of the remnant of the pre-war consensus.

00:10:36.820 So we're living in the post-war consensus, but we're seeing that pre-war consensus where

00:10:41.420 have nationalism and patriarchy and we have religion and truth and traditionalism and

00:10:48.540 historical preservation and um you know uh strong identity as a country yeah we have

00:10:56.940 a strong identity in the home we had an economic hegemony the factors of the world were you know

00:11:02.700 eviscerated so america was booming in terms of our factors were the only ones that weren't flattened

00:11:08.620 in you know the previous 10 years so it's like this uh and i agree with you i think it's this

00:11:13.640 this apex of like everything working perfectly together you have you know christianity is is a

00:11:20.400 as a moral authority in the culture the economy is booming to the point where especially like i

00:11:25.220 said the factory jobs were uh because europe was so devastated by the war and our factories were

00:11:31.100 untouched all of a sudden now you had unskilled labor you know blue collar work which was uh you

00:11:36.440 know being paid not you know a lot higher than what should be paid because our factories could

00:11:41.640 kind of set the prices on the global scale so that's why he said yeah you know your great

00:11:45.540 grandpa or your grandpa depending on your age or your dad maybe depending on your age could go out

00:11:49.240 and buy a house you know and a house cost a year's a year's wage right because he was getting paid a

00:11:55.500 hell of a lot of money for just going to work at the factory and you know same thing with cars i

00:11:59.820 I mean, remember, I'm a big car guy and the Datsun 240Z was Datsun slash Nissan's.

00:12:08.440 That was kind of their competition to the Jaguar E-Type.

00:12:11.520 And the E-Type is like the most beautiful car ever built in the history of the world.

00:12:14.400 It's a beautiful, beautiful car.

00:12:15.880 But the E-Type was $4,000 when it came out.

00:12:19.820 And that was like four grand, man.

00:12:22.540 And the Datsun came out with the 240Z and it was $2,000.

00:12:24.960 And I'm looking at this now.

00:12:26.500 I'm like, my first car was $4,000.

00:12:28.960 This is nuts. And obviously there's been some inflation, but it's this kind of idea of pining

00:12:34.360 for this age. So let me ask this question that I'm talking about. That's a totally fair answer.

00:12:38.200 You see the 1950s is kind of the peak apex of Christian America. Are we being realistic 0.97

00:12:46.440 by, again, pining for that era instead of saying, okay, well, understanding that's gone

00:12:53.340 and we can certainly bring back aspects of that. I don't think blue collar work is ever going to be

00:12:58.940 paid like it was in the 50s ever again before you know some kind of ai revolution so are we being

00:13:04.620 realistic in the situation we've been given or are we trying to you know kind of like man i wish

00:13:09.020 back in my day kind of kind of thinking yeah so i think there's a few things that we need to there's

00:13:13.940 three r's reformation retrieval recover and i think that we are in a society right now where

00:13:22.320 we need to reform back to the scriptures in many ways as we always have yeah we need we are very

00:13:27.700 much a retrievalistic uh society we're trying to retrieve old ways uh because what we live in the

00:13:34.980 post-war consensus is really an experimental age no generation in the history of the world has tried

00:13:40.340 to do what we're trying to do right now we're trying to live in a multicultural multi-ethnic

00:13:45.720 oh yeah um you know post-religious society that no country even the vast majority of countries

00:13:53.120 today don't live that way. And so the other thing is the recovery of a historic Christian

00:14:00.980 America. Now, how do we do that? But by going back, in fact, the problem is, is that we need 0.50

00:14:07.100 to go back to a time that we've never lived and a time in which almost nobody is still alive that

00:14:13.460 has lived in a comprehensible way. And so right now, I think a lot of people are reading old

00:14:20.420 books they're looking at old movies they're looking at old videos they're looking at old

00:14:23.820 photographs they're trying to understand what the world was you maybe heard the quote we love

00:14:30.600 the world that they built but we're not willing to believe what they believed absolutely and and

00:14:35.680 that is a huge issue i mean since that was in 1964 when we repealed a 200 year old um naturalization

00:14:42.660 act and somebody i was having this debate with somebody this one time uh and they saying i said

00:14:47.800 america was founded as a white protestant nation um and this nation wasn't white country was a

00:14:53.560 white country i'm like well i mean yeah it kind of was and he said well show me something in the

00:14:57.720 founding documents that suggested this nation was always intended to be you know a western european

00:15:03.320 white nation and i showed him you know there's this thing of 1794 1790 at naturalization act

00:15:08.920 white man it's like and see here's the thing um it's hard it's difficult to talk about that

00:15:15.160 without somebody you know accusing you of being a racist or white supremacist or something like

00:15:18.520 that but you look at the global stage and for example right now the big debate not to get too

00:15:22.520 far off the main topic but the big debate around israel right and israel is allowed to be a jewish

00:15:27.240 ethno state it's encouraged yep jewish ethno state 100 that's that's their natural right

00:15:33.000 nobody looks at japan and says how dare japan be so selective and aggressive with their immigration 0.97

00:15:38.760 and their naturalization but then when it comes to america we're told that you know we must be

00:15:43.480 diverse because diversity is our strength and we're built we're a nation founded by immigrants

00:15:48.100 and we're not a nation founded by immigrants we're nation founded by pioneers and uh those

00:15:52.560 pioneers came to a country that was undeveloped and they developed it we're not a nation of

00:15:55.820 immigrants um you know you can go back to like it's the great psyop of the 21st century you'll

00:16:00.520 even watch hamilton the musical and there's this one scene where uh alexander hamilton is talking

00:16:06.600 to um was not rose fear he's talking to uh uh uh the french general i can't i'm blanking on his

00:16:13.020 name marquis de lafayette he's talking to lafayette and there's this line where it says immigrants we

00:16:17.160 get the job done i'm like yeah hamilton was born in a british colony well and again to immigrate

00:16:24.700 somewhere there has to be something to immigrate to correct and there was no nation here there was

00:16:28.460 when they arrived here it was it was wilderness with random tribes scattered throughout uh this

00:16:34.560 land. And the vast majority of these tribes were either, we either conquered them, we either

00:16:40.280 purchased the land through treaties or war. We had great purchases. I think it's 71% of the United

00:16:48.120 States was purchased or acquired through treaties. There's a great book called Not Stolen that talks

00:16:53.400 about the defense of that particular argument. And the way we treated them, while again, in some

00:16:58.660 situations, yes, there was isolated, like un-Christ-like behavior on a broad, and I don't

00:17:03.360 mean to broad brush sin but what i do mean to say is is on a on a broad brush scale a general

00:17:08.660 bird's eye view macro scale the way they were treated after they were conquered was not even

00:17:14.300 comparable to the way they treated each other when they conquered i mean for example like the

00:17:17.940 comanche tribe which was the last tribe to finally be tamed and conquered their leader their chief 0.88

00:17:24.080 spent his youth scalping white settlers and raping women and children and then in his elderly age as

00:17:31.420 the chief of the comanche he was on tours in washington dc and shaking hands with president 0.97

00:17:35.740 roosevelt and marching down the the national mall on a horse in a parade and so it's like

00:17:40.620 we treated them after conquering them far better than the way they treated each other because when

00:17:45.340 they conquered each other it was death it was yeah what we have to understand is yes we were

00:17:50.840 uh in the 1620s we settled this place uh we colonized it the reason we colonized it is because

00:17:58.520 we believed that any sort of work of discovery, there's actually a Catholic doctrine at the time

00:18:05.520 in the 14, 1500s called the doctrine of discovery. And it was committed by a few papal bulls that

00:18:11.040 were talking about essentially extending the kingdom of God through the colonization of other

00:18:15.700 lands. And so when you have Columbus or Amerigo Vespucci, which America is named after him,

00:18:21.760 you are sending these people, European settlers, who are coming here to discover a land. They're

00:18:27.800 entering in a place of absolute brutality and human sacrifices and witch doctors and paganism 0.94

00:18:32.960 and they are you know planting the flag of christ praying on the land they actually had orders from

00:18:39.480 the spanish leaders and spanish king and queen to say that this is now the land of spain and

00:18:45.720 they're taking dominion and i would say that this is colonization was good what did we do we took a 0.81

00:18:51.440 land of nothing yeah filled with savage and barbaric people yeah and we turned it into the

00:18:55.780 most incredible country that has ever faced the earth yeah we have uh you know a place of dignity

00:19:02.180 a place of value a place of of economic military strength of order of beauty of architecture of

00:19:09.460 all of that came from christian lands colonizing so i always take that uh that the great commission

00:19:17.220 you know uh baptized the nations yeah baptized the nations and teach them to obey all that christ

00:19:21.780 commanded uh we know that that at some degree that satan had some sort of authority over the nations

00:19:27.540 is why he was able to offer it uh to christ in the temptation of the desert and when the uh the

00:19:34.660 death and resurrection of christ there was another there was essentially a shift of power it's why

00:19:38.180 jesus says all authority has now been given to me in heaven and on earth go therefore and and

00:19:44.260 and disciple the nations, right?

00:19:46.260 And so what we have,

00:19:49.220 we can't disconnect the Great Commission

00:19:52.200 from the work of colonization.

00:19:54.060 Sure.

00:19:54.900 Colonization for Christ, done well,

00:19:57.300 is a great holy and godly work.

00:19:58.780 And everywhere it's happened,

00:19:59.780 it's been a net positive for the people

00:20:01.360 who have lived there anywhere in the world.

00:20:03.020 I mean, you look at South Africa post and pre-apartheid,

00:20:05.440 it's falling apart now.

00:20:07.680 And, but anyway, let's just shift gears a little bit back to,

00:20:10.120 so using that to shift back to the main kind of topic here,

00:20:13.960 this world of masculine men taking dominion um that world and i i talked about this a little

00:20:20.200 bit in in the video that i just posted that kind of prompted this conversation was that

00:20:24.280 we have shifted our society and and the family archetype has changed from what once was far

00:20:30.680 closer to the biblical model even into the 19th and 18th well 18th century was far closer to the

00:20:35.720 biblical model than it is now in terms of and when i say biblical model i don't mean what's prescribed

00:20:40.040 in the Bible, I mean historically what that family would have looked like. So when you talk about

00:20:44.460 reading scripture in context, authorial intent, who were they writing it to? What was the situation

00:20:49.100 they were in? And that helps you interpret, as you know, obviously you're a pastor, that helps

00:20:53.000 you interpret what is the command, what's the directive here. So when you look at things like

00:20:57.580 Titus 2, people will use that to me and they'll say, well, look, the wife is supposed to stay at

00:21:02.620 home because she's supposed to be home-minded. How can you be home-minded if you're outside of

00:21:05.880 home. And I'll say, yes, that's true. However, that was written to a family that operated the

00:21:11.920 homestead almost like a mini factory, right? Because you would have the livestock, you would

00:21:16.020 have the trade of the house, whether it's a blacksmith or a shoemaker or they made linens

00:21:22.160 or whatever that case was. And the entire family would work towards that trade, right? And the

00:21:28.100 children would be brought up in that family to work towards that trade. So maybe the mom's outside 0.86

00:21:32.780 milking the cows and the dad's in the smith and he's hammering out you know nails or whatever it

00:21:37.560 is but the whole family operated as a as a unit and which is biblical and that's i think what god

00:21:42.840 originally intended is the families stay together and they operate as you and the family the kids

00:21:46.220 grew up and they they didn't move away they lived there they found someone to marry um and then what

00:21:50.780 shifts in you know the late 19th century is the industrial revolution and it pulls the labor off

00:21:56.140 of the family homestead and it puts it in a in an urban factory okay well now my job is no longer

00:22:00.760 here the money left the job left I have to go to the factory now to make that same money

00:22:04.420 we both can't go to the factory mom and dad because you know kids can't raise themselves

00:22:09.040 so then the natural you know the answer is well of course if the mom has to be home reminded

00:22:13.320 if we got to pick who's going to stay home it's got to be the mom so the dad's got to go to work

00:22:16.740 and it pulled the man apart from the woman and put him in a factory and it kept her at home 0.66

00:22:21.020 and that's the very first time in truly in Christian history and human history you see

00:22:25.360 this concept of a stay-at-home mom is post-industrial revolution and so when I say like hey let's go

00:22:32.040 back to a biblical model I don't think 1950s not that there's anything wrong with the 1950s I think 0.63

00:22:37.000 well a truly biblical model will be an agrarian model where we're all sticking around the house

00:22:41.260 and it's and you know it's a little house in the prairie practically speaking that's not possible

00:22:45.240 because we all live in cities and counties and whatever and we can't all live that way what I

00:22:50.420 say is that you're you're also considering that the uh the context is amoral meaning that i think

00:22:57.780 the context is actually moral so when so the agrarian societies the the working from home

00:23:05.140 that structure i don't think that that's amoral i think that's actually a a positive good and

00:23:11.940 how do we know that well we go well how has society ran for literally thousands of years

00:23:17.460 that way so so what i'm saying is that we've operated one way for thousands of years yeah

00:23:22.820 and then for the last 70 years yeah we have operated a different way it's causing an insane

00:23:27.780 amount of chaos pain struggle strife and issues in our culture and my catholic friends would say

00:23:34.260 there you go capitalism for you right so i would say is that we should actually not just be saying

00:23:40.740 well let's adopt to the new context sure no i'm saying the new context is actually a sinful

00:23:45.700 context i don't disagree so so the we should be trying to strive for the ideal now i know we need

00:23:50.820 to live in reality right and the reality is is that you might not be able to afford to live in

00:23:54.900 the ideal um and but it doesn't mean that you settle for what you have and so you go well let's

00:24:01.940 work back to the point where we can create an economic a home economy where we can buy a little

00:24:08.500 bit of land where we can buy that's the dream yeah that's the dream and so i think that while

00:24:14.500 your reality might force you to be into a city and have two parent income and to make sure that

00:24:19.900 the kids can survive i get that that's the exception but the rule the the ideal the thing

00:24:26.500 that we're aiming for is to actually restore not just um you know stay at home mom but but a

00:24:34.280 context in which the family operates according to how god designed well i think that's a really fair

00:24:40.060 take to be honest and it's one i don't hear from a lot of the and i don't mean to put you guys all

00:24:45.580 in the same bucket i'm not naming names but i don't hear a lot from the trad guys is that idea

00:24:49.920 of even that one line where he said sometimes that's just going to be the reality it's not the

00:24:54.200 end goal and it's kind of like the difference in the abortion debate between the abolitionists and

00:24:57.920 the incrementalists as long as the incrementalists end goal is abolition i don't see why you guys

00:25:03.720 aren't on the same team but the problem with the abolitionists nowadays again not to get sidetracked

00:25:07.160 is they will start schisming and saying, well, no, no, no, no, it's all or nothing.

00:25:10.880 That's not practical. It's not realistic. And I think what I've seen that bothers me and why I

00:25:15.580 made the content is I see a lot of the trad guys making up these rules that just simply can't,

00:25:21.400 they're simply not biblical and they can't be applied in every circumstance. I knew this one

00:25:27.520 guy who took it really, really seriously. It's a true story. Used to go to church with him. I don't

00:25:31.660 know where he's at now and you know a great guy had four kids fifth kid was on the way and he was

00:25:37.700 determined that his wife would not lift a finger she would just take care of the kids and he was

00:25:42.760 working like four jobs man and he was ubering on the side and he you know he wasn't a super

00:25:47.120 highly skilled laborer so he's not making a lot of money any one of these jobs the guy's working

00:25:51.060 like 85 90 hours a week just to put food on the table and that is extremely admirable and and the

00:25:57.500 dude's crown and heaven and it's going to be heavier than I can hold. Right. But I think,

00:26:02.460 man, you are killing yourself. And do you even get to see your family? Do you get to see the

00:26:07.220 fruit of that labor? I mean, you think you're doing date night with your wife when you're

00:26:10.120 working 90 hours a week? No, you're not. See, I would say date night is not in the Bible either.

00:26:14.380 Well, yeah. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Date night's not in the

00:26:17.860 Bible. I go, that's an unfortunate circumstance and an extreme circumstance. Yeah. And those

00:26:23.540 extreme circumstances exist, but we don't want to justify the rules off the extremes.

00:26:27.500 and so i go uh the average person needs to have the ideal shifted they need to realize that what

00:26:33.500 you what you want is you want to get back to the context of a pre-war world you want to get back

00:26:40.140 to the context where and it's it's it's hard because the economy's you know under chaos the

00:26:47.740 government's under chaos the culture's under chaos uh the church is under chaos there's there's so

00:26:52.860 much disorder and perversion at this point yeah that it feels almost impossible to reverse the

00:26:59.420 clock into any sort of structure i do believe that that's why again i said reform recover

00:27:04.620 retrieve yeah these are kind of the works of the current church um it's not let's go into the to

00:27:10.700 the future and invent a new context in which we can feel better than no no i just go read books

00:27:19.100 from the past yeah read their world apply it in the real world yeah so working at home might now

00:27:24.420 be different you might not be uh growing beef in every particular situation you might be

00:27:29.960 running an online right e-commerce store yeah but you can still have the home economy functioning

00:27:36.100 that way yeah kids packing shirts and mom helping there and homeschooling the children yeah you can

00:27:41.320 still grow your own food in the backyard you can still have time together you can apply the modern

00:27:46.120 reality, while the principles and the context still stay aligned with historic biblical truth.

00:27:52.340 Well, actually, exactly on that point, that's kind of the grand irony I see is a lot of,

00:27:56.680 so a lot of the folks who are very upset, it was interesting, it's mostly men who are upset with me

00:28:00.400 when I said the stay-at-home mom video. I had a lot of women, moms and wives are like, this is

00:28:05.720 very encouraging. Thank you. You know, I'm a nurse. And anyways, the irony is that a lot of

00:28:11.480 people that came to criticize, a lot of the women that came to criticize were influencers of like

00:28:15.560 homesteading accounts and things like that and what they're doing is they're monetizing their

00:28:21.360 homesteading lifestyle by creating content and I'm like I actually support that because you are

00:28:27.340 you're able to contribute to the family income you're able to contribute and and be a helper

00:28:32.380 to your husband now he doesn't have to work 90 hours like maybe he only has to work 70 hours a

00:28:36.160 week you know and you're helping and you're doing it in a way that doesn't take away from your your

00:28:40.600 your motherhood right because you know edit a reel while kids are taking a nap and then when they're

00:28:44.920 you just set the camera up hey look we're hanging close together right and that's like you guys

00:28:48.600 disagree with me but you actually are doing exactly what i'm saying is a is is the solution

00:28:53.400 in the 21st century is no don't go be a boss babe and put your drop your kids off in daycare right

00:28:59.080 like you know i i wouldn't prescribe that and i think again you have to take all these into

00:29:03.800 consideration in your own household yeah does your husband appreciate that work is it helping him

00:29:10.200 yes um is the social media world externally good but internally bad

00:29:19.240 because my argument is that generally speaking this is my take on social media 0.76

00:29:25.080 social media outside of like the desire to say keep up with family yeah learn from older women

00:29:30.200 teaching younger women how to love their husbands love their children to be great homemakers there's

00:29:33.080 there's some to learn about christ there's some good reasons for women to be on the internet and 0.97

00:29:36.440 I think those exist, but generally speaking, I think the plan of the internet for the devil is 0.88

00:29:41.120 this. Let's put a bunch of porn on the internet, especially on social media, to keep the men off 0.58

00:29:46.200 because good men, and I'll say that again, not just to keep the men off, to keep the good men

00:29:51.500 off. I talk to men all the time and I'm like, oh, like Christian men. Hey, why aren't you on 0.99

00:29:55.620 social media? Oh, you know, there's too much porn. There's too much risk. So all the good men are 0.95

00:29:59.300 now off because of the risk of porn and all the women are on. Okay. Now what's happening as a 0.98

00:30:04.040 result of that. Well, the world is shaped by the discourse on social media. The social media is the

00:30:09.100 public square. And so now you have all the godly men are not on social media. They're not forming

00:30:15.660 and directing and shepherding and leading the public conversation, rebuking sin, living out

00:30:22.080 righteousness, filtering logic, none of that. They're all gone. You have evil men who are

00:30:28.340 looking at porn on there. And then you have women that are essentially running society through their 1.00

00:30:35.140 discourse and discussions. And so we feminized the public square. So I just go like, generally 1.00

00:30:40.860 speaking, if you don't have like the social media business and things like that, like ask yourself

00:30:45.800 how many great reasons are there for women to be on social media? Well, I think there's a bigger 0.89

00:30:51.500 calling men out here. Like I know pastors my age who just like you said, they don't go on social

00:30:57.620 media because it's like yeah it's just brain rot and it's porn i don't want me on that and and to

00:31:01.120 me it's like okay you know man you reach a certain age and you just got more important things to do

00:31:05.460 than scroll all day i get it like i don't think the 60 year old needs to be scrolling all day

00:31:08.500 but you know if you're in your 20s and your 30s you're a young pastor it's like i think i don't

00:31:14.440 think that's an excuse it's like get over it dude figure it out also this is how i think about it

00:31:20.080 pastorally and as a father so your job as a father is to oversee your children yeah now when your

00:31:25.560 children get on social media, I expect that father to be on social media, to know what they're

00:31:29.020 listening to, who they're following, who they're commenting on, because you're responsible for

00:31:33.240 them until they get married, move out of your house, until your daughters are given away to

00:31:37.180 another headship. The same thing goes with a pastor, a pastor that is completely culturally

00:31:42.300 irrelevant from the content of the day because he's not wanting to be on social media. I go,

00:31:46.820 but all of your flock is there. So it used to live in a world where you could preach something

00:31:51.200 on sunday and the next time they heard about god would be you the following sunday yeah the reality

00:31:57.280 is that they go home and they are now influenced by 25 different influencers and podcasts and books

00:32:02.880 and articles and media yep and then they come back with all of these different discourses and

00:32:08.480 you have no ability to speak to the reality that is the elephant in the room for them correct uh

00:32:14.560 whether it's israel whether it's homosexuality whether it's feminism whether it's immigration

00:32:18.800 and because you've been off the internet and what that does is it it causes these people

00:32:24.240 because their pastors because their fathers because the men in their lives aren't willing

00:32:28.320 to come in and have discourse on them yeah it sends those people to bad shepherds yeah it

00:32:33.600 sends them to unchristian people who don't love the lord who are giving commentary on particular

00:32:38.960 topics because the good guys are afraid to be on yeah yeah and it's part of it's like okay the

00:32:44.240 the shepherd okay yes i agree porn is very dangerous and it's very prevalent on social media

00:32:48.960 and to be honest there's no way to completely avoid it you know you're going to see something

00:32:52.840 and you're going to have to discipline yourself to scroll away to look away it's just that's the

00:32:55.880 reality of the world we live in but here's the thing is the shepherd just got to face the wolves

00:32:59.180 and that was dangerous and it's so it's like hey man you're a shepherd dude and we're not in a day

00:33:06.100 and age where you know like when the the the vikings invaded the coast of england and you

00:33:11.580 would have pre catholic priests standing up front saying my people are saying and they would be

00:33:15.000 burned for that or slaughtered for it like no one's asking you to do that bro you know the hardest

00:33:20.020 part of your day is a 30 minute commute all i'm asking you to do is get on social media and if 0.99

00:33:23.860 it's a little hard you got to scroll and look away you got to do it because you're the freaking 0.94

00:33:27.360 shepherd man and like you just said you're not no idea what your people are going through

00:33:30.580 if you're not there so so that may be let me let me hold on let me a little specific because

00:33:34.520 there's some some questions that i've always wanted to kind of ask the the trad group and

00:33:39.480 and uh and unfortunately all i get is is bad faith actors in my comments um but i'm sure you've never

00:33:44.040 experienced bad faith actors in your comments um so a couple of things you talk about this a lot

00:33:48.400 like dress code or modesty or things like that there is a a really uh one of my not one of my

00:33:53.940 favorite quotes that's a good a great quote from c.s lewis is he talks about the difference between

00:33:58.840 virtue and modesty and he says virtue is universal modesty changes depending on the time the culture

00:34:04.560 the the yeah the time in the culture and he says that you know the victorian woman would look

00:34:09.980 absolutely pornographic dressed like the islander girl but both of them are modest in their cultures

00:34:16.860 and both of them are virtuous they have the same virtue but they have different modesty

00:34:20.840 so kind of back like to the 50s the 1890s the 1920s how do you say okay i think dress women

00:34:26.920 should dress modestly as well wholeheart i'm there with you but how do we define modesty

00:34:31.200 biblically where that seems to be something that culture dictates over the Bible.

00:34:36.520 Well, this is, again, we need to, we've forgotten how to be a nation. Okay. So remember a nation

00:34:41.840 is the broadest extent of a family. Okay. Okay. So an ethnos is a broad family.

00:34:49.340 That's like Stephen Wolf there, right? Yeah. So, so the idea is that we are, 0.81

00:34:52.340 uh, the American people were a European stock, generally an English North or Western,

00:34:58.140 northwestern uh european stock group so we we were an extension of one particular family if we want

00:35:03.820 to go back even further we're japhethite right um and we have that family now when you have nations

00:35:10.380 and you actually have boundaries and borders and you have an identified people uh you you can then

00:35:16.620 define culture culture is defined by the family by the faith by the traditions by the history by

00:35:21.420 the language by the all of those things right and when you have that each nation based off of

00:35:26.380 geography uh so yes i i i agree with you in the sense that uh modesty is going to be different

00:35:33.660 in canada than it's going to be in tahiti right and so uh you can have a christian tahiti you can

00:35:40.620 have a christian canada and by geography alone because of the weather because of the humidity

00:35:47.180 because of the uh where you maybe the vast majority of your food is being caught in water and so uh

00:35:53.660 yes i think that there is there is each nation needs to define their own culture according to

00:35:59.100 christ by looking at the principle not necessarily the methods and uh applying modesty is this

00:36:07.660 at what point is a woman in your culture going to cause that man to sin sexually and what point 0.68

00:36:18.620 in a culture is a woman dressing in a way that proves that she doesn't understand the value of

00:36:25.200 her body okay um and and so uh can i can i uh ask that kind of a challenge to that then as christians

00:36:35.060 do we have any uh play using that definition can you then say like islamic sharia with the full

00:36:42.600 takib or hijab or whatever they call it is that then in their culture completely i'm not saying

00:36:48.440 that says like a gotcha or like a genuine question is that completely defensible if they can say well 1.00

00:36:54.020 yeah an ankle or an eyelash or a fingernail would cause me to stumble so women have to be gloved and 0.55

00:36:58.880 everything no i think there's there's extremes and ditches on either yeah i don't mean to appeal 0.94

00:37:03.600 to an extreme yeah no but i i think there are there are extremes and ditches on either side

00:37:07.460 you go it's the same argument of of well we can't do wine on sunday yeah because a thimble of wine

00:37:13.980 will make me an alcoholic because I used to drink, guys. And I go, well, if you have a thimble of

00:37:18.960 wine, it's causing you to be an alcoholic. We have a deeper problem, and it's not the issue of wine

00:37:24.500 on Sunday. The issue really is that you have no self-control. So now, where is the boundaries?

00:37:33.160 I think, again, the pastors, the patriarchs, the fathers of those particular lands should define

00:37:40.400 those things, but they should do so in Christian charity, Christian love, Christian, uh, uh, you

00:37:46.680 know, reasonableness, um, uh, functionality, uh, of garments of how that, that works. Again, um,

00:37:53.280 you know, if you're living in a place that's extremely hot and you're expected to wear a 0.99

00:37:57.040 black covering, a middle East. Yeah. Um, I would say that I don't think that's charitable. Um, 0.97

00:38:03.320 but I also don't think that you need to be wearing, you know, mini skirts or thongs,

00:38:06.440 out in public, dressing like you would

00:38:09.540 if you were at a strip club.

00:38:10.540 And so I think there needs to be something that,

00:38:13.660 the purpose of clothing should be to drive people 1.00

00:38:17.180 to the woman's face, right? 0.98

00:38:19.360 It should be, modesty is essentially, 0.97

00:38:24.300 we guard things that are valuable, right?

00:38:26.680 We put pieces of valuable art in museums,

00:38:30.540 we put diamonds in safes,

00:38:32.120 we put gates and doors around our houses

00:38:34.000 because those things are valuable. 1.00

00:38:35.420 right when a woman wears a particular amount of clothing that that reveals everything yeah she's

00:38:41.700 saying i don't actually value my own body i i don't see the value in fact i'm exposing it'd be

00:38:48.200 like it'd be like having diamonds and going hey look yeah i see that i i think personally and i

00:38:53.700 don't mean you know this is just the way i kind of have thought of it is i think you know i don't

00:38:58.900 necessarily how do i put this i don't want to sound like a liberal right um but i think so let

00:39:03.000 me use this example I go to the gym um and in my gym it's it's more of a bodybuilding gym and I'm

00:39:08.060 the exception to the ruler obviously with my tiny frame but you look at the the walls and they're

00:39:13.260 covered with um uh like bodybuilding uh like the stage photo right and where they're all bronzed

00:39:18.640 up and they're posing and they got the metal on or whatever and you know most of it's men and

00:39:22.440 they're wearing like the little thong thing and whatever but you look at that and you don't think

00:39:25.700 oh that's sexual you think or at least I don't I don't think that's that's a sexual image or

00:39:29.500 that's pornography i think oh like in that context they're doing a bodybuilding show and the point

00:39:33.400 of that is to is to to show off like like you would at a livestock show like the the size of

00:39:39.020 what you're like you would with medieval art yes exactly yeah you so the con or yeah you go to the

00:39:43.740 louvre i've been to the louvre a couple of times and when i look at you know any one of these

00:39:47.740 multiple statues uh for example it was the painting i can't remember it was liberty leads

00:39:52.380 the people or whatever is the painting done for the july about the july revolution uh and the

00:39:56.780 second bourbon the first bourbon restoration in france and you have liberty uh holding a flag

00:40:01.920 and sure sure like tops falling down and as a guy i'm like i just think that's unnecessary like what

00:40:07.160 is what what does that add to the art but you don't look at that and think oh yeah man like i'm

00:40:12.860 taking that one home and under the covers at night right so i i think the context of what you're

00:40:17.980 looking at you know really i think when you go to the new testament try to land the plane of my

00:40:23.960 thoughts here when you go to the new testament when christ is talking about what makes something

00:40:27.960 sin there are some things that are point blank like black and white sin lying adultery stealing

00:40:34.200 etc and there's a lot of the times where christ will redirect you to okay but what is the what's

00:40:38.360 the posture of your heart here yeah the conscience the conscience what's your conscience doing so if

00:40:41.940 a woman is dressing in a certain way to elicit the male gaze to certain parts of her body whatever

00:40:46.280 your your conscience is is is derelict now if a woman's saying hey i like you know not i'm not 0.99

00:40:52.360 want to call anyone out by name because i've seen this argument online but a woman's wearing yoga

00:40:55.160 pants right to to the gym or to go do yoga um where you know it's comfortable and it's flexible 1.00

00:41:02.080 and all that and it's not one of those pants that like gives you a wedgie to make your butt look all

00:41:05.820 big like it's just just yoga pants i don't see in that context how if somebody's looking at that

00:41:11.260 and thinking that's sexual to me it says well i think you're sexualizing it as a man and that's

00:41:16.860 where you need to check your heart and and kind of reframe what where is your head at you are a

00:41:21.100 liberal so what i my 7k is getting deposited tomorrow so i i would say this i i would say

00:41:29.380 um again we we have standards uh for christian women um i think those same standards should

00:41:36.280 be applied to non-christian women um because i don't disagree with christian standards should

00:41:40.720 be applied across the board i i'm a fascist in that way so my thought is again you know

00:41:45.120 we know there are, the culture we live in, a woman, a Christian woman, a virtuous woman

00:41:53.740 should know that this particular outfit would be, and it's unfortunate, but it would be 0.98

00:42:01.960 a cause for stumbling in our culture here in America, okay? And so we know that 1 Corinthians,

00:42:07.640 what is it 10 11 12 um you know try not to cause your freedom your liberty sacrifice your liberty

00:42:15.900 for the sake of sure love for your brother and and so there's a variety of applications for that

00:42:24.200 from you know drinking and smoking and pornography of you know if you got a guy that's just got

00:42:29.400 through with uh pornography addiction hey let's not go to the beaches in southern california this

00:42:34.060 weekend. Yeah. Oh, totally. So I think that there's applications of prudence that virtuous

00:42:41.160 women need to say, okay, well, I live in America and I'm not going to just do this thing where my 0.82

00:42:48.420 liberty, I'm going to, I have liberty. Totally. All things are lawful for me, but I go, but not 1.00

00:42:52.180 all things are helpful. Totally. So let me, let me paint a scenario because, you know, hypothetical

00:42:56.660 scenarios are so helpful in debate. Let's say, you know, again, the yoga pants example, not the big

00:43:03.280 butt scrunchie ones just normal lululemon yoga pants um not tremendously provocative the husband

00:43:08.380 doesn't even see an issue with it he's like i don't find those sexy they're just pants

00:43:11.720 and we're not going to a sacred space we're going to a secular space we're going to the y

00:43:16.380 to go run on a treadmill husband's okay with it your headship's fine with it the woman doesn't

00:43:20.980 feel like she's wearing anything to in that situation is can we apply first corinthians

00:43:26.660 well my thought is it doesn't matter if her head's not let's just say that her head's okay with it

00:43:32.140 But let's just say that her head's head,

00:43:34.100 Christ, is not okay with it.

00:43:35.200 Gotcha.

00:43:35.760 So I would go,

00:43:36.920 it's another backwards form of tyranny.

00:43:39.280 You just go,

00:43:39.840 if your husband's okay with you

00:43:41.040 wearing a thong at the beach,

00:43:41.940 it doesn't mean it's okay

00:43:42.520 to wear a thong at the beach.

00:43:43.260 I see the logical conclusion of that.

00:43:44.600 I do.

00:43:45.120 But I guess where I keep coming back to,

00:43:46.500 and I don't mean to press you on it,

00:43:48.460 we can switch topics.

00:43:50.040 I think what I keep coming back to

00:43:51.020 is like the logical,

00:43:53.040 as Protestants, 1.00

00:43:55.180 I don't know where,

00:43:56.080 sorry, I'm thinking out loud here,

00:43:58.000 which is a problem.

00:43:58.820 The logical conclusion,

00:44:00.260 and this is where I think of everything

00:44:01.140 maybe too philosophically like rt kendall told me once we were arguing about calvinism he's a

00:44:05.680 he's a calvinist and but he's not a five-pointer he's a four-pointer he doesn't like the limited

00:44:09.020 atonement he believes in unlimited limited atonement and i my response was uh uh you

00:44:14.340 know god's sovereign over everything or he's sovereign over nothing and he said you're

00:44:17.140 thinking about it too philosophically and i still disagree with him and and far be it from me i speak 0.92

00:44:22.320 as a fool he's he's he's you know he's got the four of my brains put into one um but i do see

00:44:27.980 where I think too philosophically, too logically in areas that perhaps should be more mystical and 0.99

00:44:33.220 should be more submissive. Where I go to with that though, like with everything is, okay,

00:44:38.160 let's take this to the logical conclusion, the logical conclusion. And I don't see a logical

00:44:42.500 conclusion outside of Sharia law. And then your response is, well, then we appeal to church 0.98

00:44:47.420 authority. But even that, I'm like, but where does the church get their authority to arbitrarily say

00:44:52.400 this is modest this is not yeah yeah so i would say uh the protestant problem is obviously

00:44:59.640 authority headship yeah yeah so uh i would say this solutions to this are one is monarchy i agree

00:45:06.580 i agree with you yeah yeah is two is uh conciliar authority which is church councils that where you

00:45:13.980 have essentially diversify the vote on a particular topic across a broad spectrum of theologically

00:45:21.060 qualified um fruitful godly proven men yeah that are filled with the holy spirit bringing a

00:45:27.620 conclusion to a matter for the church yeah on a particular topic so conciliar synod like

00:45:33.060 synodical structure for uh matters like this what what should be clarified so yes right now

00:45:39.380 by the way previous generations did not struggle with modesty the way that we do that is true they

00:45:44.500 didn't struggle like i can't look back to the reformers and the great confessions of the

00:45:48.420 of the Protestant tradition.

00:45:49.260 Well, they don't struggle with modesty.

00:45:51.300 I think at the scale, we struggle with it.

00:45:53.460 Sure, and I think also, not just at the scale,

00:45:55.740 but also in the actual, like people would, 1.00

00:45:59.980 women would be killed for the modesty 1.00

00:46:01.820 that they have today. 1.00

00:46:02.900 Today, yeah.

00:46:03.740 So what I'm saying is that just in the same way

00:46:06.540 that I can't go back and ask John Calvin

00:46:10.440 what he thought about multiculturalism,

00:46:12.100 he would go, I don't know what,

00:46:14.020 there's no multicultural nations.

00:46:14.960 What do you mean by that?

00:46:15.900 Or I can't ask Luther about transgenderism.

00:46:18.100 He'd be like, is that a, that's a thing? 0.99

00:46:19.820 Yeah. 0.97

00:46:20.100 Like biblically, the difference between prostitutes and non-prostitutes was the hair was down. 1.00

00:46:23.860 Yes. 1.00

00:46:24.340 Yes.

00:46:24.820 So what I'm saying here is that I think that the confessions of the Protestant tradition

00:46:30.320 need to be updated.

00:46:31.780 I think we need to have statements around nationalism.

00:46:35.220 We need to have statements around sexuality.

00:46:37.080 We need to have statements around modesty that need to be, again, flexible, applicable

00:46:42.080 to different cultures, places, geographies, but principles that interpret the text of

00:46:47.980 scripture that have the minds of of a conciliar authority that can bring wisdom to it that are

00:46:55.580 broad spectrum but can be applied equally across multiple cultures would be a great help but the

00:47:03.760 problem is right now is we live in a time where the protestant church is fighting with each other

00:47:08.220 more than over tertiary issues too no one's leaving churches over doctrine right now everybody's

00:47:13.780 leaving issues over uh secondary tertiary issues nationalism israel's positions uh feminism

00:47:22.460 things like that and so we we know we have a problem um we know that the protestant church

00:47:28.020 hasn't always been this way yeah um and uh well i mean that was you know the protestant church

00:47:34.740 that you you would appeal to you know luther and calvin zwingli that was where there were i mean

00:47:40.000 you want to go back to the reformation there were three churches you were a lutheran if you

00:47:43.740 were protestant you were lutheran you were reformed or you were anglican correct and like you look

00:47:47.060 around and there was no other option and if you tried to be another option like the anabaptist 0.87

00:47:51.400 they would drown you like ha ha you're baptist let's drown you and this is my this is my thought 0.53

00:47:56.540 john is that i i wrote my book reformed versus rome that i want to see the classical protestants 0.94

00:48:03.980 or the historic protestants which are again anglican presbyterian and lutheran i want to

00:48:08.640 see them become one and they are what i would call reformed catholics and i believe the only

00:48:15.020 the only uh opposition to a roman catholic church is a reformed catholic church and i think that

00:48:25.100 that that is my hope and work yeah over the next the rest of my life i want to figure out a way

00:48:31.320 can we get these groups together and through one confession i'm actually planning to work on with

00:48:36.700 a handful of people the reformed catholic confession yeah we actually bought reformed

00:48:40.140 catholic.com there you go um and we want to put together this confession to bring that unity so

00:48:44.740 that we can start having the authority by rome by rome georgia next yes yes right so we can we

00:48:51.060 can have the authority to to bring answers to these particular questions that are dividing

00:48:56.720 everybody yeah for their own interpretation yeah well and i think that's it maybe it's the

00:49:01.260 difference here is between your optimism and my pragmatism and i'm here to repent of my pragmatism

00:49:05.660 because the way I see kind of the again not to divert from the topic too much but the way I see

00:49:11.660 kind of the church at large right now is within protestant world the people who have most of the

00:49:18.220 influence are the evangelicals not the protestants and evangelicalism is not protestantism it's

00:49:23.040 anti-sacramental it's unfortunately in some cases even anti-intellectual it's you know that is the

00:49:28.280 mega casualism yeah when you talk to a catholic and they'll straw man christian or they'll straw

00:49:32.760 and Protestantism, they're usually using evangelicals' trauma. It's like, that's not 0.58

00:49:36.620 what my Lutheran church looks like or my Anglican church looks like. That's what your average 0.99

00:49:40.760 evangelical megachurch looks like. Problem is, within the reformed world, reformed proper,

00:49:47.060 you look at these issues. So I agree with you in that I think constitutional monarchy is the

00:49:54.500 only biblical defensible form of government, because that's the only government God ever

00:49:57.880 created. Well, he created a theocracy with Moses, and then he's like, oh, that doesn't work, so

00:50:02.020 let's do let's do constitutional monarchy right and theocracy would have worked but the people

00:50:05.740 rebel so i think that is the form of government however however i look at the world we're in

00:50:10.380 and i can't really have a proof of principle to appeal to because when i tell people i think

00:50:14.980 constitutional monarchy is the best and i think uh like an anglican reform tradition is probably 0.95

00:50:18.660 closest to my own personal theology they're like yeah well look at that england's full of muslims 0.67

00:50:23.180 and all the anglicans are gay and the only guys out there who are not the only guys but the only 0.97

00:50:27.800 guys out there who are gunslinging conservative masculine men they're evangelicals it's like 0.97

00:50:31.920 yes and so correct and so this is by god's grace there are more people moving toward that high

00:50:38.880 church reformed anglican it's true position that's where we're where we hold as a as our church that

00:50:45.520 i pastor and i think all of this needs to be understood is that the reason the church is the

00:50:51.400 way that it is is because it was crushed under the post-war consensus many things were the

00:50:57.520 family was um even even a lot of catholics and eastern orthodox uh have been influenced by the

00:51:02.420 post-war consensus it is an incredibly powerful uh civilizational culture that has hit the west

00:51:09.800 that we are there's a great book by r.r reno called the return of the strong gods yeah and

00:51:15.340 the return of the strong gods the idea is that the strong gods are the way that the old world

00:51:19.500 essentially function the convictions and foundational truths and values and virtues

00:51:24.400 of the old world and um there's a great quote i don't know who originally said it but um

00:51:30.480 a nation digs its grave with a shovel of forgetfulness and we have forgotten what

00:51:36.240 america was prior to this post world war one world war ii consensus prior to the world war

00:51:42.400 world wars you had truth you had monarchies you had religion you had borders you had ethno states

00:51:49.440 you had nations nationalism you had patriarchy yeah you had closed societies you had um all of

00:51:56.720 these things and uh after the the war there was so let me let me back up sure so the overextension

00:52:06.640 of those what our arena calls strong gods those old world ways of the functioning of society which

00:52:14.080 which is how all of the world ran since the beginning of time.

00:52:18.600 The overextension of monarchy is dictatorship, right?

00:52:22.720 The overextension of biblical patriarchy is misogyny.

00:52:26.780 The overextension of nationalism becomes genuine racism,

00:52:33.860 like where you actually hate people

00:52:35.740 just because they're not your people. 0.91

00:52:37.280 Correct.

00:52:38.120 Okay, so what happened is they looked at World War I,

00:52:41.100 World War II, and they said,

00:52:43.020 All of this is a problem because of those strong gods.

00:52:47.420 Let's create a society that is so opposite.

00:52:50.660 The pendulum swung to diversity and multiculturalism 0.99

00:52:54.020 and feminism and tolerance and inclusion and homosexuality. 0.87

00:52:58.380 And so we entered this society and we've, 0.73

00:53:02.360 that's all we've known, that's all we've grown up in.

00:53:04.920 And what R.R. Reno argues, and I believe is totally true,

00:53:09.580 is that we are seeing the return of the strong gods

00:53:12.060 because it is the only way that the world works.

00:53:16.000 I often say that nationalism creates wars

00:53:20.500 between other nations.

00:53:21.600 We saw that all throughout the world history,

00:53:24.120 but multiculturalism creates wars within nations.

00:53:27.400 And that's what we're seeing now.

00:53:29.000 Every group is vying for political power and control

00:53:32.400 in one place that outlaws the other group's values.

00:53:37.920 And like the idea-

00:53:39.240 you see this right now with like the the you know israel's war uh in iran where you have these um

00:53:45.800 who would have thought this that you know uh we there was this there's this kind of this western

00:53:51.480 uh agreement that in war you don't assassinate the ruler of a country because how are you going

00:53:57.320 to negotiate or end the war if you just went and killed their leader now you're left with just chaos

00:54:02.600 and and it's it's it's not it's not kind or considerate to the civilians who are living

00:54:07.400 there because their country's now in chaos you don't target civilian infrastructure because that

00:54:10.920 just causes uh abnormal suffering and pain to people who don't deserve it and then the u.s goes

00:54:17.160 into iran for israel of course and we kill their leader who not only is their national leader and 0.79

00:54:22.120 their their figurehead but he's also basically the pope of you know shia islam so it's like okay you 0.94

00:54:27.320 just killed a a religious leader and you killed the the political leader political leader and then

00:54:32.920 you think that people are going to rally to your cause now what you've just done is you've galvanized

00:54:36.680 them against you but but to your point with multiculturalism how to struggle from the inside

00:54:40.880 is because you say what are you talking about look at the iranians in in los angeles they're

00:54:44.900 parading in the streets yeah so you have these groups of people that left during the revolution

00:54:50.460 and they came here and what are they doing they're lobbying for us to go to war against the guy they 0.99

00:54:55.860 don't like and i'm not defending the the the ayatollah i think islam's evil and like you know 0.93

00:55:01.200 you know dead muslim's a good muslim right whoo converted better but you know if they don't 0.99

00:55:05.780 convert you know i'm crusader so that being the case all right you know i'm not a fan of the 0.97

00:55:11.440 ayatollah i'm not defending the ayatollah and that's where they always want to straw man you

00:55:14.180 say oh you're a muslim or you're you're a guitar you're being paid by cutter okay whatever um

00:55:18.880 the the immigrants here they're lobbying for their for their own country right and that what 0.95

00:55:24.400 that tells me okay your country isn't the united states if you are lobbying for us to go to war 0.58

00:55:28.700 in iran because you don't like the ayatollah why are you here the idea when when my parents came

00:55:34.700 here excuse me when my mom like i told you off camera my mom like she got here in the 60s you

00:55:39.140 know she wasn't one of those anglo-saxon immigrants in the industrial revolution and uh she doesn't

00:55:44.360 she doesn't hyphenate uh her she's not an irish american she's an american and she was taught

00:55:48.800 that from her from my nana from her grandma who grew up in the blitz in london family moves here

00:55:53.580 we're american yeah and this is why again biblical assimilation is needs to be understood because

00:55:59.580 again a lot of these problems that we're talking about you know at the front level it's it's a

00:56:04.020 result of the world that we live in. The church is a mess, the culture is a mess, all because of

00:56:08.540 this nationalism is messed up. Once nationalism is messed up, then everything in the nation is

00:56:14.140 messed up. And that's what we're seeing. And I would tie that also, if things are messed up in

00:56:18.420 the church, then things are messed up in the culture. So there's connection points there.

00:56:21.740 But biblical assimilation, what we see is, let me use an example that I don't think is a fair

00:56:26.040 parallel, but you see Boaz and Ruth. She says, your people will be my people,

00:56:34.020 your god will be my god simulation she's she's assimilating now what's great about that is that

00:56:38.740 she says i'm essentially losing myself in my husband she is becoming one with her husband

00:56:43.780 she's adopting the uh the identity of god's people and um now this is not an interracial marriage by

00:56:51.940 the way okay you know why oh boy you know why it's not right because they look probably exactly the

00:56:57.940 same they were like 80 miles apart from each other sure so this is an intercultural marriage it's an

00:57:02.740 it's yeah it's not it's probably not even interculture it's an interreligious marriage

00:57:06.420 well um not not to derail for a second but that's really fascinating is is i've always agreed with 0.99

00:57:12.100 that take and that i don't think an intercultural marriage is it's not sinful but i don't think it's 0.93

00:57:17.700 it's easy because the two cultures colliding it doesn't matter what the my opinion doesn't matter

00:57:23.540 what the races are because you can have you know for example a mexican who's been here not not a

00:57:28.580 mexican american who was mexican six generations back and they're american now but they're not

00:57:34.660 you know you're the same race but it's the same culture yeah so i've always been confused why

00:57:38.580 does the race matter so the i would say so one everybody should know that my wife is half italian

00:57:44.980 uh so half european and then half hispanic yeah okay so um so her skin's you know a little bit 1.00

00:57:50.740 darker than mine um but you know she's fourth generation she's been here in america for you

00:57:56.980 know her grandfather fought in the korean war and and um uh she she's assimilating i would look at my

00:58:05.220 my relationship with her is that i'm actually assimilating her further into the american

00:58:08.740 identity interesting okay and um so she's saying like ruth said you know my people will be your

00:58:14.260 people right she's coming in and saying yeah so our our kids you know are lighter skin or more

00:58:19.060 american than more european essentially than than she is um now why does skin matter well skin matters 0.81

00:58:26.740 because skin is correlated with geography. 0.72

00:58:31.380 Geography is correlated with a variety of things,

00:58:33.500 including biological health. 1.00

00:58:36.040 I mean, why do we have Somalis 1.00

00:58:37.940 that are in the hottest part of the world 0.92

00:58:39.140 moving to Minnesota?

00:58:41.520 You just got to ask yourself,

00:58:42.960 the only reason that's not natural,

00:58:45.520 their bodies are like,

00:58:47.100 you and I go into sub-Saharan Africa,

00:58:48.840 not only would it be a risk of skin cancer,

00:58:50.680 but we'd have to supplement in order to live there.

00:58:52.320 We're not designed to live there.

00:58:53.420 So skin color actually correlates with geography.

00:58:56.740 in a very important way.

00:58:58.420 Not only that, but you've actually,

00:58:59.560 there's studies that show that food,

00:59:01.200 there are certain foods that grow around the equator

00:59:02.760 and certain foods that grow around the North

00:59:04.880 that are particularly functional

00:59:06.260 for people that are from those areas. 1.00

00:59:10.180 And so like we shouldn't be in Canada 0.51

00:59:11.880 eating watermelon in December.

00:59:13.880 That's a perversion of God's natural order as well.

00:59:16.820 But when you look at like our eyes,

00:59:20.140 God gave us eyes for the purpose of seeing. 0.96

00:59:22.940 Now we know that, say you're traveling to Pakistan

00:59:26.580 and you see another American.

00:59:28.760 What are you going to do? 0.69

00:59:29.480 Oh, there's another American. 1.00

00:59:30.540 You're going to walk straight over 1.00

00:59:31.400 and you see them with your eyes. 1.00

00:59:33.240 And because skin color,

00:59:34.440 it creates familiarity.

00:59:35.820 It creates trust.

00:59:36.980 It creates bonding.

00:59:38.480 It creates a sense of unity.

00:59:41.560 It's why birds of a feather flock together, right?

00:59:43.440 Well, I mean, to that,

00:59:44.720 so I was in Moscow

00:59:45.660 because I'm a paid actor of the Russian state.

00:59:48.600 And I was walking around

00:59:50.160 and they have these hot dog stands

00:59:51.440 and me and my buddies,

00:59:53.240 in Russia, the brand is Stardog, 0.94

00:59:56.000 but in the Cyrillic text it looks like it's his porn dog so we we call it the porn dog stand it 0.73

01:00:01.040 was hilarious let's go get some porn dogs uh so we're in we're in line and this guy says something 0.78

01:00:04.860 behind me to somebody else who's not part of our group and he's it's you know perfect English it's

01:00:08.560 like Los Angeles English I'm like oh my gosh it's an American to the same point but he was Hispanic

01:00:13.400 and I could but I could just tell you he's American and it was that same kind of like oh

01:00:16.460 familiarity familiarity like you were one of me and in that moment I didn't think you're a Mexican

01:00:21.280 or you're you're a second generation Mexican I think you're you're like me so that's where I

01:00:25.420 it's like, I understand where you're coming from. I completely agree in that. You know,

01:00:28.660 you see something who's familiar. If I'm, if we're in sub-Saharan Africa, if we're in like,

01:00:32.680 you know, we woke up in a night in a nightmare and somehow we're in Somalia and I see one dude

01:00:37.400 who, you know, who, who, who looks like vanilla cracker. I'm going to go right to that guy. It's 0.71

01:00:41.040 like, Hey man, you're one of me. I don't care what country you're from. This is why it happens

01:00:44.100 in prisons. You go to a prison. Race matters as soon as you go to prison. Yeah. But does it matter

01:00:48.860 in marriage? No, I don't think it's sinful in marriage, but I do think it matters. And here's,

01:00:52.780 here's why it matters um i i went on x not that long ago and i said there yeah there was real

01:00:57.940 problems not just i remember that tweet yeah so we had we had intercultural issues uh for sure

01:01:04.100 that that she has again assimilated into my american identity um and and that's wonderful

01:01:09.680 and great but it wasn't easy um also there is a reality of uh when you have let's just say let's

01:01:18.040 use an extreme example because extreme examples help in terms of make something clear to say

01:01:21.900 that ruth and and and uh boaz are similar to say a haitian woman oh yeah and a minnesota boy yeah

01:01:29.480 or let's just say this a haitian woman a korean man that live in america okay what what this does

01:01:35.120 yeah is it creates it's anachronistic well it creates national orphans okay national these

01:01:40.980 kids they they go i don't know who i am they are first generation nothings in the sense of

01:01:47.060 am i is not our own fault as americans though because we've created this kind of weird

01:01:52.800 culture where it's a melting pot you know yeah but again when you come from when you come from

01:01:58.440 european stock we're all the same skin color we're all the same western civilizational culture 0.92

01:02:03.320 but again you take the haitian woman and you take the korean man and they're but they're both

01:02:09.040 americans now because they immigrated 20 years ago yeah and they get married yeah uh and then

01:02:14.380 you create children that go, I don't know who I identify with. Am I a Korean? Am I an American?

01:02:19.720 Bananas and rice. So yeah. So what happens is, is they become spiritual Gnostics if they're

01:02:24.800 Christians. So they go, you know what? All I do is identify with Christ. And, and I go, well, 0.99

01:02:29.760 okay, yes. And amen. But the reality is, is now they can't understand why their white American

01:02:34.640 friends actually care about some sort of national homogeneity. They can't comprehend that because

01:02:40.620 in order to agree with that, they would have to recognize or acknowledge that their existence is

01:02:45.900 actually not typical or normal. And I don't disagree with that, but I would source, I would

01:02:52.720 root the problem not in an interracial marriage, but in a broken immigration system. So what I'm 0.90

01:02:57.660 saying is that are there exceptions? Yes. Is it the ideal? That was my whole point about that point.

01:03:03.340 Well, that's why I've always appreciated your stance on it because it was far more

01:03:06.440 uh metered than uh i think something just closed over here oh i think we're okay okay we're good

01:03:13.720 yeah we'll cut that um that's why i always appreciated your take on that because it was far

01:03:17.480 more uh charitable and metered and reasoned than other takes out there that i've heard on the

01:03:23.560 subject but i actually i'm really enjoying this because we're hitting so many different topics

01:03:28.440 um so let me let me try to loop back if if i can unless you had anything else to say on that

01:03:32.280 no i i would just say interracial marriage is one of these things that we it's there is an ideal

01:03:39.720 and i think that we can't look at our current culture and say this is ideal no it's not i don't

01:03:46.600 think we can say that about anything in our current culture it's not ideal and the problem is is that

01:03:50.520 you could just go back 75 years and it actually was the ideal everywhere so you go to mexico and 1.00

01:03:57.000 And Mexicans marry Mexicans 0.54

01:03:59.300 because Mexico is 90% an ethno state. 0.95

01:04:01.920 You go to Korea, you go to Japan, you go to Russia,

01:04:05.060 you go to Colombia, you go to Cuba,

01:04:08.140 you go anywhere else essentially besides Western nations.

01:04:10.980 But when you have a culture that's saying this,

01:04:13.920 that's saying we are all the media,

01:04:19.800 all of the ad platforms,

01:04:22.080 all of the marketing from these big companies,

01:04:24.800 I was just at the bank and I saw,

01:04:26.560 It was like, it looked like in a city.

01:04:30.540 And there's like a redhead and there's like a Japanese guy

01:04:33.720 and there's like a Muslim woman and a black dude

01:04:36.000 and they're all eating ice cream. 0.96

01:04:37.360 And it's like, dude, that's not real.

01:04:38.720 Yeah, it was like when I was in the army,

01:04:40.540 we went to Ogden, Utah.

01:04:42.940 I'm not kidding, it was actually Ogden, Utah.

01:04:45.720 That's not a, it's kind of an ironic location.

01:04:48.940 For, there's an army depot there.

01:04:51.800 We were decommissioning or we were,

01:04:52.960 I can't remember what we were doing.

01:04:53.960 And it was me, six foot two, pasty white dude.

01:04:57.940 It was my good friend Ramirez,

01:04:59.800 who is like six foot four, MMA fighter, Mexican guy.

01:05:03.880 And it was Duong, who was like a four foot tall 1.00

01:05:06.560 Vietnamese lady, and she could barely speak English, 1.00

01:05:09.260 but I don't know how the heck she got in the army.

01:05:10.960 And then it was this other guy,

01:05:12.460 I think his name was Cortez,

01:05:13.520 and he was like this, almost like Danny DeVito, 0.91

01:05:16.480 dark skin, chubby Mexican, like 38 year old guy, right? 1.00

01:05:20.500 It was a weird group of people. 1.00

01:05:22.720 and we're in Ogden which is as homogenous and white as like the freshly fallen snow

01:05:27.280 and we walk into a movie theater to go see a movie one night just the four of us like a western it's

01:05:31.520 like when the you know in a western like a bank of america yeah we exactly and the saloon doors

01:05:35.280 swing open and everyone stops and looks at who just came in and that was the moment because

01:05:39.680 we're all when you're in the military you don't really know how people dress in their civilian

01:05:43.280 clothes until you get off and you go do something with them so we all dress completely differently

01:05:47.280 and it's like what kind of ad is this right now and it just reminded me of that it looked like

01:05:51.680 like a bank of america yeah so so like what my thought is this when the left is pushing something

01:05:56.980 i'm almost always gonna initially go maybe it's wrong so why is the left pushing interracial

01:06:04.260 marriage so hard on people well so but using your logic let me let me ask you then because and i see

01:06:11.260 this too it's i saw a meme the other day where you know uh korean families when they get here and

01:06:16.500 their korean daughter wants to marry a white guy like oh why aren't you marrying a korean boy right

01:06:20.480 Like, wasn't the point to assimilate, integrate? 0.98

01:06:23.480 Why did you leave your country?

01:06:24.640 Okay, so I would argue, yes. 0.98

01:06:26.000 So this is true assimilation. 0.82

01:06:27.560 This is why, let me get through this 0.61

01:06:30.360 because it's very important. 0.70

01:06:31.660 So true assimilation, biblical assimilation would be this.

01:06:33.940 Let's just say that you have a Korean family 0.87

01:06:35.400 and say, we want to move to France. 0.95

01:06:37.380 Okay, my expectation would be this,

01:06:39.520 that you come to France, you stop speaking Korean,

01:06:43.020 you start speaking English or start speaking French

01:06:45.400 and your daughters, 1.00

01:06:48.240 and let's just say that the reason that you went

01:06:50.060 is because you want to ascend to the Christian culture of France.

01:06:57.100 We're going back in time now. 1.00

01:06:58.300 Sure.

01:06:58.580 No, it is, yeah.

01:06:59.540 Back in time.

01:07:00.500 Yeah, because France today is not that.

01:07:02.160 Yeah. 0.57

01:07:02.420 But my thought would be true assimilation requires to lose your ethnicity 0.75

01:07:09.540 through generational intermarriage. 0.92

01:07:12.540 So your daughters and sons would need to intermarry. 0.94

01:07:16.320 Yeah.

01:07:16.560 um and their daughters and sons would need to intermarry so much so that you lose now now the

01:07:23.660 question comes up is is this honoring your father and mother you you're talking you've been korean

01:07:28.660 for well for 50 generations honor your father and mother not obey your father and mother yeah but

01:07:32.860 let's just say that you're is it like you're literally saying you're looking at your skin

01:07:37.900 and you're going i don't want to be me yeah well that okay so what i'm saying is that it's a form

01:07:44.400 of transnationalism yeah now i think there's valid reasons to do that yeah i think that if

01:07:49.820 there's the valid reason would be ascending into god's people so you're ascending into the church

01:07:53.860 yeah i think if you're a missionary and you're saying i'm going to sacrifice myself for the sake

01:07:58.660 of the gospel um i think if you're a prisoner of war you're caught into a particular place and

01:08:04.160 you're stuck here and god but what i'm saying is that if if there's reasons that you look and you

01:08:08.860 go, like we know Vice President Vance said that he married an Indian woman specifically

01:08:16.680 to frustrate his parents.

01:08:19.060 Okay, that's not good.

01:08:20.220 No.

01:08:20.560 Right?

01:08:20.720 And so I think the conversation, is it sinful?

01:08:25.120 No, I don't think it's sinful.

01:08:26.340 Is it something more complicated than what we think it is?

01:08:29.500 Yes.

01:08:29.720 It's definitely more complicated.

01:08:30.660 And what I don't like about this topic is you're not even allowed to have the conversation

01:08:36.280 because people clutch their pearls

01:08:38.620 and they're like, how dare you talk about that?

01:08:40.120 If it's a bad idea, it's a bad idea.

01:08:42.900 What I tell everyone, I say two things.

01:08:44.460 I say, I don't care what you believe,

01:08:47.160 just have a really good argument for it.

01:08:48.900 And if I disagree with the argument,

01:08:50.160 let's have the debate.

01:08:51.020 And two, don't be anti a person,

01:08:52.880 be anti the lies.

01:08:55.200 So let's keep talking on this road here.

01:08:57.520 Well, let me ask,

01:08:58.340 because that was exactly where I was going to go.

01:09:00.200 So the issue then,

01:09:03.100 you're saying the solution is interracial marriage.

01:09:06.280 Okay, I'm saying is that, one, few people should be trying to immigrate and lose their nationalism.

01:09:12.020 Okay.

01:09:12.600 Okay, but those that do, for valid reasons, I think must intermarry for true assimilation.

01:09:18.640 Okay. 0.80

01:09:19.320 Now, it's interesting that Ruth and Boaz, how many generations were between their marriage and King David?

01:09:26.240 I couldn't tell you.

01:09:27.020 Not one.

01:09:27.780 It's three.

01:09:29.140 Okay?

01:09:29.440 So there's something there that God's saying, well, it's not that, I think it's Obed, and then it's Jesse.

01:09:35.160 Obed, Jesse, David.

01:09:35.920 and then it's david right and so david is this kind of uh fully assimilated israel of israelites

01:09:42.800 you know israelite of israelites right yeah um he just he's not a moabite at all but but it's been a

01:09:48.640 few generations so my thing is that i don't think that if you the korean guy moves and he says well

01:09:54.080 we're not we're not uh actually korean mom and dad or not um the children i would even say still are

01:10:01.120 not even if they intermarry they're they're not korean the grandkids i would say are arguably maybe

01:10:06.960 french uh and then the great grandkids are certainly french and so there's there's some

01:10:11.440 sort of assimilation period um and i'm not saying we need to create hard rules on these i'm just

01:10:16.800 saying is that uh you nazi yeah yeah right so i'm just saying that these are there is some biblical

01:10:22.560 now we also see uh uriah the hittite so on the other side i also think that generally it should

01:10:27.840 be women assimilating into the like for for for men to take foreign wives is far more biblical

01:10:33.680 than women to take foreign husbands and for a man to adopt the foreign ethnicity of his wife because

01:10:40.800 you do see that a lot in scripture where a guy's taking a for i mean moses david solomon and now

01:10:46.000 solomon's issue is they're assimilating their wives into their culture well and then solomon's

01:10:50.640 issue he allowed the culture to he didn't kill the culture he kept the culture so having it would be 1.00

01:10:55.360 matriarchal to have a man assimilate your wife's an italian and that's who's the head and yeah and 0.74

01:11:01.700 you're you're gonna go i'm gonna i'm gonna our kids are italian now and yeah no no the kids

01:11:05.480 always identify well there's a there's a fascination in america i've noticed with

01:11:09.740 genealogy because i don't think and this is this is a fault of this multicultural model is

01:11:14.900 white anglo-saxon americans have been told that you know you're boring your mayonnaise you're

01:11:19.860 vanilla so everyone goes grasping and reaching for some kind of interesting gene it's why

01:11:23.500 ancestry.com exists because it's like i have to make my life my family my ancestors somehow

01:11:28.620 spicy or interesting or something because just being a white american isn't interesting enough

01:11:33.520 it's why i mean white guilt white hate oh it drives me even within white culture that's why 0.91

01:11:39.660 that's yeah well even within white culture so there's a great snl skit um i can't remember when 0.76

01:11:44.080 but this is you know american dude walks into an irish pub and he's like hey guys my fourth

01:11:48.920 great grandfather was irish and they're like dear god he was irish call everyone in the whole town

01:11:53.460 island he was irish and it's and it's like yeah that's how americans think is but it's it's like

01:11:58.260 this dissatisfaction with your american uh heritage yeah and that's because we have failed

01:12:04.820 to teach how wonderful western civilization is i learned about the pyramids i did not learn about

01:12:09.780 the cathedrals yeah like true like the cathedrals when you look at the cologne cathedral and you

01:12:15.700 compare it to the pyramids dude the pyramids are like oh great you got blocks on yeah wonderful

01:12:20.740 you look at the intricacy the 600 year work of yeah of the cathedrals and you go my goodness

01:12:26.740 one like you would go to the you know like name a cathedral name a minster like the york minster

01:12:30.980 which is one of the biggest buildings it was the biggest building in the world for for you know

01:12:34.020 decades or centuries and there's like intricate stonework 300 400 feet in the air where no one

01:12:39.700 will see no one's going to see that yeah you know there's engravings on the backs of heads of

01:12:43.540 gargoyles yeah medieval peasants aren't like binoculars like they didn't even own it so it's

01:12:47.540 So it's like no one's ever gonna see that,

01:12:49.240 but that guy doing that work

01:12:50.600 was doing it unto the glory of God,

01:12:51.820 and he's the only one that ever saw it,

01:12:53.120 when Christ saw it.

01:12:54.000 The truth is this, right?

01:12:55.220 Western civilization is the greatest civilization

01:12:57.520 that's ever existed, why? 1.00

01:12:58.820 Well, because it's Christian. 0.76

01:13:00.260 So, but there's more than that.

01:13:02.020 So I think there's, if you talk more into this

01:13:03.900 about interracial marriage,

01:13:05.220 it's also inter-IQ marriage, generally speaking.

01:13:09.180 Okay, IQ is stable.

01:13:10.660 So meaning that if you go to the equator,

01:13:14.980 and whatever countries are on the equator,

01:13:17.140 and the IQ is generally lower on the equator

01:13:19.280 than it is up north.

01:13:20.120 And the reason it's lower is because

01:13:21.660 you have generations of people

01:13:23.180 who had more of a physical life than an intellectual life.

01:13:27.260 And let me tell you why.

01:13:28.220 So when you have no seasons

01:13:30.520 and you have essentially an easy food supply,

01:13:32.680 there's no food storage, you have-

01:13:35.900 You don't have to innovate farming technology.

01:13:37.460 Correct, right?

01:13:38.900 Up north where there's snow, there's four seasons,

01:13:41.620 you have indoor life.

01:13:42.640 What do you do when you're indoor?

01:13:44.060 Well, you have intellectual pursuits,

01:13:45.780 Music, literature, all those different things.

01:13:47.640 On the equator, what do you do

01:13:49.080 when you're outside all the time?

01:13:50.440 Well, you have physical pursuits.

01:13:52.760 And so what happens is the equator people

01:13:55.140 produce highly specialized physical people.

01:13:58.260 Now, what are all our best athletes in the world?

01:14:00.620 Where are they from?

01:14:02.100 Yeah, well, they're from the equator.

01:14:03.260 They're from the equator.

01:14:03.960 And where are the strongest minds?

01:14:06.060 They're not from the equator.

01:14:06.800 The strongest minds are from the North,

01:14:08.060 whether it's China, whether it's Russia,

01:14:10.280 whether it's Europe, whether it's North America.

01:14:12.420 Yeah, the philosophers of ancient history

01:14:14.140 are talking, you know, Sun Tzu,

01:14:15.280 you know or or whoever name yeah you do see that the arab worlds as well and or cultures so so

01:14:21.440 there's a there's been studies about this we know that somalia's average iq is around 70 where

01:14:25.840 the united states like that of a dolphin or something yeah right here it's it's 100 uh

01:14:30.240 parts of europe now what i'm saying is that you have high iq iq is a very good indicator of

01:14:35.840 civilizational thriving and success um and so but iq is stable you can't change it it's like your

01:14:41.760 height so if you took a country on the equator and they only uh intermarried with one another

01:14:47.520 um the iq would never change now maybe not never over like maybe thousands of years it might adjust

01:14:54.160 but generally speaking it would stay the same um and the same thing is is up north and so

01:14:58.800 you take the civilization that has high iq and then now you are intermarrying with places of

01:15:04.400 lower iq the children are going to have a mid iq right and so it's micro evolution it's micro

01:15:11.040 revolution yeah and so um european used to have an evolution or have an iq of about 115 on average

01:15:17.240 and now we're at about 100 and is that better for society at large or worse i think where people

01:15:22.840 and i'm not disagreeing with you on simple like yeah people with 90 iq marry each other their

01:15:27.100 kids like we're gonna have 90 iq like that that makes that makes sense i think where people take

01:15:31.580 uh you know unction with the argument is when you walk it to its logical conclusion okay but

01:15:37.920 the solution seems rather reiki and yeah the the the reality is is i'm just trying to expose to

01:15:46.980 people that there is more complexity at hand oh and i agree with that and what i like i said to

01:15:51.660 repeat myself what i detest more than anything is an anti-intellectual spirit that says we're not

01:15:56.440 even going to step into that field of conversation because it's just so offensive and controversial

01:16:00.600 that's the thing is that people go oh you're talking about eugenics here and i go no no we're

01:16:03.720 talking about eugenics the reality is that i just go you you have a family that you're from

01:16:08.520 from your skin determines where you should be on the globe okay so it's it's very strange to have

01:16:16.280 millions of people from third world nations moving up north to to first world in the history of the 0.98

01:16:22.360 world it's you've never seen it before it's only happening yeah because well why well third world

01:16:27.080 transportation want our uh well yeah the motive is that but i think what you're also seeing is

01:16:32.360 you can get on a plane and be there in six hours whereas before it would take months of journey and

01:16:36.280 someone would die of dysentery right yeah and and and i just posted out a couple days ago we don't

01:16:41.080 have third world places we have third world people that is true well that is true and i've seen that

01:16:44.840 in i grew up in california and and you absolutely do see it in in you know not nearly as bad in 1.00

01:16:51.240 california as it is in places like minnesota or detroit i was in detroit like a month ago

01:16:55.080 and while detroit is not as bad as like there's parts of california that are worse than detroit

01:16:59.720 there were some parts from driving around like holy cow like this is we would i will say the

01:17:04.320 one part of detroit that is that does deserve the reputation that is horrific is whatever you want

01:17:08.980 to call uh what's the muslim district yeah um i can't remember the name of that it's uh 0.97

01:17:13.960 keep going and i'll yeah yeah it's it's uh i can't remember the name of the town but it's the one

01:17:19.720 part in detroit that everyone always talks about where the mayor told the council and the video

01:17:22.840 went viral like you're not welcome in my city uh and it's like and you walk around that street

01:17:27.280 and i did i went we went me and my buddy were there and we just wanted to go see it because

01:17:31.100 it's like oh yeah everyone talks about it and it's dystopian it's all of the street signs are

01:17:35.920 in arabic you have these these buildings that are beautiful and stone built because detroit is an

01:17:40.840 older part of the country because it's off of the river so you have these industrial age brick

01:17:45.140 buildings that were built by uh uh well my wife's ancestors not mine um and they are you know big

01:17:52.200 arabic letters out front and it's like this is you didn't build the building uh but you're using

01:17:56.960 the building yeah and i'm not saying you know ownership can never pass hands but it's like you

01:18:01.520 guys have not built this culture because it's specifically in detroit it's a lot of immigration

01:18:05.440 from somalia and from the third world you can't connect you can't disconnect a place from the 0.92

01:18:10.160 people that live there and what i'm saying is that yes what we again the reason it feels so bad to 0.97

01:18:15.600 talk about this is because we're egalitarian we want everybody to be the same um but we're unwilling

01:18:20.800 to have the conversation about that there actually is unequal jesus in the parable of the talents

01:18:26.240 right i gave one five i gave one three i gave one one um we know that not everybody's why didn't

01:18:31.840 everyone get the same amount yeah yeah and that was the struggle that even back then yeah why

01:18:35.760 don't we get the same um and god goes well the person who's paying out uh he determines some

01:18:42.240 people have more faith some people have more love some people have more strength some people have

01:18:45.680 more wisdom not everybody's the same and our egalitarian sensitivities go oh we have to be

01:18:51.600 willing to look at we're so afraid of inferiority and superiority that's true it's it's the the

01:18:59.760 marxist mindset for sure it's the marxist mindset and the reality is is that uh in terms of strength

01:19:04.280 are you superior to your wife yeah absolutely in terms of nurturing ability is she superior to oh 0.95

01:19:09.340 yeah i can't i can't nurture a plant it is is western civilization superior to african culture 0.78

01:19:14.980 absolutely yeah i got in trouble for saying this two years ago yeah yeah and so so we we know that

01:19:18.940 there is superiority yeah we're afraid to connect it to the people so if if you have a civilizational

01:19:25.020 superiority yeah is it because of the people yeah well i think so i think there's there's we are

01:19:30.760 living in a culture in a time and age where i think our perspective of immigration is a modern

01:19:37.220 perspective of immigration let me explain that so when i would say yeah you cannot disconnect a

01:19:42.440 person from their geography sure but i think there are plenty of examples of of absolutely uh virtuous

01:19:49.480 uh immigration that succeeded right and i think you know america is one example at least industrial

01:19:55.040 revolution but it's still it's like northern hemisphere to northern hemisphere true well

01:19:59.080 then so let me use france as an example because they had a lion's share of sub-saharan african

01:20:03.980 colonies and france historically has had at least as far back as you know the age of colonization

01:20:09.260 a lot of sub-Saharan African Frenchmen

01:20:11.520 that you didn't see in England

01:20:12.920 or you didn't see in any other,

01:20:14.300 like not in Germany,

01:20:15.100 because it just based on where their colonies were.

01:20:18.320 And I think you have even one of Napoleon's marshals

01:20:21.040 was a dark-skinned sub-Saharan African himself,

01:20:24.220 and he was a Frenchman of Frenchmen.

01:20:26.180 And so I think that we are living 0.68

01:20:28.060 in the era of mass migration

01:20:29.660 where assimilation's not even on the table.

01:20:34.940 It's not even possible at this level.

01:20:36.280 It's not possible at this level.

01:20:37.840 Yeah, no, it's what's happening right now 0.64

01:20:39.580 is national theft, demographic replacement.

01:20:43.720 And they're admitting it now. 0.82

01:20:44.800 Yeah, and that's what I'm saying

01:20:45.920 is that it's actually sinful.

01:20:48.040 It's the sin of theft.

01:20:50.040 It's the sin of covetousness.

01:20:51.400 It's the sin of envy.

01:20:53.240 It's the sin of murder.

01:20:54.820 All of these things are actually happening 0.98

01:20:56.640 with mass immigration. 0.98

01:20:57.860 It's why it's a Christian issue. 0.96

01:20:59.940 I always tell people,

01:21:00.660 people are asking like,

01:21:01.720 why do you think nationalism is a Christian issue?

01:21:04.720 And I go, anything that caused 0.59

01:21:07.840 a significant amount of pain indicates that it's very important so so your marriage a bad marriage

01:21:16.180 causes a significant amount of pain and the church recognizes that and says you know what

01:21:20.560 we have scripture to talk about that yeah now losing your home now people that live in apartments 0.97

01:21:26.700 and have immigrated here you know 30 years ago they're never going to understand but if you live 0.96

01:21:31.200 a multi-generational farm yeah and you lose that place yeah um you maybe have seen uh or read the 0.99

01:21:38.560 book the grapes of wrath um the dust bowl and when the grandmother after multi-generations on the

01:21:45.920 farm leaves the farm the next day she dies yeah that that's how people thought about losing their

01:21:52.160 homes yeah and but we've been again uh enculturated to be disconnected from our own heritage from

01:21:59.280 from our own. Well, now you've got conservative podcasters who are saying you don't have a right

01:22:02.820 to grow up where you were, to live where you grew up. And that to me is, that's, that is anti-American

01:22:08.500 because the entire point of, of Western society is generational wealth and ancestral, uh, uh,

01:22:15.680 heritage. And so like I grew up in, in Poway, California, which I always have to, to qualify

01:22:21.220 that when I tell people who are from San Diego, cause I will always say not like the MLB side,

01:22:25.700 because there's a side of Poway that's extremely wealthy

01:22:28.620 and it's NFL players and baseball players.

01:22:30.700 And I grew up in like the little suburban,

01:22:32.780 you know, there's a meth lab

01:22:33.660 that was busted down the street from my house

01:22:34.980 when I was like 15, right?

01:22:36.400 So I grew up in, it wasn't a rough part of town.

01:22:38.820 It was very nice, but it was a suburban part of town.

01:22:41.660 And now I remember, I mean,

01:22:42.960 my parents bought their house in 1990 for $179,000.

01:22:47.480 And when they moved out,

01:22:48.540 they sold it for a hell of a lot more than that.

01:22:51.060 And it wasn't like some modern McMansion.

01:22:53.340 it was a regular 2,000-square-foot suburban house.

01:22:56.880 And I could never, I could not, cannot,

01:23:01.420 and I don't know if I ever will be able

01:23:03.140 to purchase a house on the street I grew up on.

01:23:05.820 And I did not grow up in Beverly Hills.

01:23:07.840 And that, to me, we have failed our children. 1.00

01:23:11.380 Specifically, the boomer generation 1.00

01:23:12.800 has failed their children 0.99

01:23:14.160 because they took what was, I mean,

01:23:17.180 just a moment of time of wealth, of prosperity

01:23:20.520 that will never be seen again in our life.

01:23:23.340 time uh for in one generation held all of it and instead they could have stewarded that and they

01:23:29.060 could have set their kids up for something they hoarded it they spent their kids inheritance

01:23:33.580 they destroyed it and all the immigration came under that generation and what i say is like do

01:23:40.120 you know how much money like right now you know we saw the dave ramsey thing he's like oh yeah go 0.97

01:23:43.140 go buy a two thousand dollar pressure washer and start a business and it's like yeah well if i do

01:23:48.460 that then the hispanic guy is going to go buy the pressure washer and he's going to do the job that 0.92

01:23:52.160 I want to do for $500. He's going to do it for a hundred dollars. And then the Somali daycare 0.97

01:23:55.420 people are going to do this in the hospital daycare people do this. And then the people

01:23:58.240 that are in California, the Somalians are going to open up the pressure washer, never pressure 0.99

01:24:01.220 wash anything, but find a government grant that will pay them for opening. So yeah, we have all 1.00

01:24:05.560 of these problems that are around, like the church needs to speak to these things. But I would say

01:24:10.440 like kind of coming full circle on the conversation about, we live in a society right now

01:24:15.940 that needs to be recovered yeah and how do we recover it i think that balkanization is the

01:24:22.740 only way to recover it meaning that we're going to have to shrink the united states

01:24:26.560 in and lose parts that are going to hold on to this post-christian mindset and then we're going

01:24:33.660 to have a balkanization of people that want to go back to recover a historic american identity

01:24:39.460 and um i think that that's going to happen through what i would call christian colonies

01:24:44.760 and we need which we're seeing already boroughs yeah we saw that in moscow we're seeing that in

01:24:49.960 ogden yeah we're trying these these boroughs and these colonies are going to take generations to

01:24:55.960 to centuries to pull off yeah um but it works because we're post-mill so we're post-mill we're

01:25:01.640 optimistic about the future yeah and that's what i want i want to see um hey we live in this world

01:25:07.580 we have people here it doesn't mean that we're rude to foreigners it doesn't mean that we're

01:25:11.340 Now, I do think if you're not going to assimilate, if you're not going to, I think you should 1.00

01:25:15.900 re-migrate. 1.00

01:25:16.700 I always tell people, I go, I want a Christian Mexico that's Mexican. 0.99

01:25:19.600 I want a Christian Nigeria that's Nigerian. 0.83

01:25:21.640 I want a Christian Russia that's Russian. 0.99

01:25:23.220 I want a Christian Korea that's Korean. 0.98

01:25:25.180 What I don't want is a Christian America that's the United Nations of Nations. 1.00

01:25:28.800 Yeah. 0.98

01:25:29.620 There's a profound quote from Stephen Wolf's book where he says, and I'm paraphrasing here,

01:25:33.740 that I have more in common with an atheist white guy my age from Poway, California,

01:25:41.760 than I would with a Christian Nigerian. 0.63

01:25:43.940 And it's kind of a scandalous thing, but until you really think about it, 0.97

01:25:46.840 we don't have completely different cultures.

01:25:50.400 Yeah, you can build a house with a guy from California.

01:25:54.160 You can't even build... 1.00

01:25:55.800 You can't even pick a restaurant to go eat at with a Nigerian guy. 1.00

01:25:58.400 And it's very optimistic, and God bless him,

01:26:00.720 it's a good mindset to have this optimistic evangelical culture

01:26:03.460 that says we're all brothers and sisters in christ yeah that's true and spiritually we're

01:26:08.020 of one family but culturally and practically we're not and yes and and god created nations

01:26:14.140 god created nations the globalism of the tower of babel that's what they tried to do them try

01:26:19.980 to do multicultural try to undo what god had done and and and god said no we're going to put you 0.83

01:26:24.460 into nations we're going to put you into families and all throughout history we have lived in much

01:26:30.420 more peaceable internally peaceable times with uh people who are like us who look like us who

01:26:38.780 act like us who have the same history as us to wind the clock back an hour to we were talking

01:26:42.720 about the c.s lewis quote i think if you know if if the fall never happened you know if lapsary

01:26:48.380 never lapsed you would still have seen people spread over the globe the people who lived in

01:26:53.160 sunnier areas would micro evolve to have darker skin correct people who lived in canada would

01:26:58.280 have thicker clothing. You would still see these differentiations of cultures, different music,

01:27:03.260 different styles, different food. And so you would still see a nationalization happen without sin in

01:27:09.300 the world. In fact, in Revelation, it says that the nations will bring their glory into the new

01:27:13.920 world. And so my thing is that I actually believe that God is not creating some interracial mix

01:27:22.440 brown people. He's actually creating a saved mosaic of different nations. So again, we want

01:27:33.000 nations like Europe and England, or continents of Europe and the nations of Europe to stay 0.99

01:27:39.660 Christian. Well, why? Because they are a form of global evangelization. When Christian nations 0.97

01:27:47.140 are strong they can send out missionaries not to turn the african nations white but to turn the 0.65

01:27:54.400 african nations christian that they might be christian in their own context we have a proof

01:27:58.080 of principle that hey look it works yes yeah and so uh but we also know that congo is 95 christian

01:28:05.080 and it's still a third world nation so why is that it's because the iq is different they are

01:28:10.980 different people in the sense that there is a class system in the sense of of intellect now

01:28:16.340 doesn't mean they're not superior in some aspects aspects than they are over northern nations okay

01:28:21.460 over the chinese or over the russians or over us no but the reality is is that their nation is not

01:28:26.100 a first world nation even though they're all christian um so so that to me on a side note

01:28:33.060 that demonstrates that there is no such thing as christian culture because if there was a christian

01:28:38.260 culture exactly you would congo would have an identical culture too most christian nationalists

01:28:43.220 today want christian multiculturalism they want this this what we have here just christianized

01:28:50.100 they said we're just gonna have a christian culture no culture christianity informs culture

01:28:54.100 but culture is made up of a lot more things than just religion and so there is no yeah you have an

01:29:00.100 ethiopian christian culture you have you have a nigerian christian culture you have a russian

01:29:05.300 christian culture yeah um and so we don't if you christianize what we have here you're still going

01:29:10.820 to have the black church the hispanic church correct korean church yeah and and again that 0.91

01:29:16.500 produces it's better than what we got i mean i would take that over the the mess so i i think

01:29:21.460 the not to not to want us back into the interracial marriage conversation but i think where people

01:29:25.620 will take offense and get confused is because okay if congo christian culture is beautiful in

01:29:30.580 the sense of it's christian um okay or let's use the italian example right even though they're kind

01:29:35.540 of white um italian food you're married to a a part you know your wife's half italian okay

01:29:40.660 so would you say then that like you know we don't make italian food in this house we make

01:29:46.580 you know british food or whatever anglo-saxon food yeah so my thought is you you can take these things

01:29:52.820 to private and public okay and i go in the privacy of your own home you get to determine what you're

01:29:57.940 going to do in your own home doesn't mean that we don't have or have tacos on so so assimilating

01:30:02.740 uh the korean family assimilating doesn't mean four generations later nobody's eating kimchi

01:30:07.460 uh it can mean that it doesn't have to mean that but my thing is that we're also not teaching our

01:30:11.220 kids to speak spanish or sure sure right um we we also uh are educating them about their american

01:30:18.900 heritage and history yes um they're you know my wife is is essentially joyfully losing herself

01:30:25.860 and her husband the same way that like they're not did boaz and ruth make moabite food

01:30:31.460 yeah you know well that was kind of what i was going to ask is like did was ruth making role in

01:30:36.140 the the moabite lumpia or whatever like what did that look like she was right but certainly their

01:30:40.540 children are not taking on any moabite practices no correct yeah right and so so you reject some

01:30:46.000 things and you can redeem other things correct yeah yeah well i think and i think it's biblical

01:30:49.520 and i think something you mentioned in in making another point was you said there's methods and

01:30:53.040 principles this is what i've always told folks so let's try to land the plane here on on trad and

01:30:58.960 and the future of America and things like that is I think there's biblical principles and there's

01:31:03.580 then there's there's methods that are applied in a Christian way and just how these cultures would

01:31:09.340 evolve differently and these things would evolve differently you can have a Christian woman in the

01:31:13.600 Congo who's not wearing very much clothing and it's not viewed in a sexual or an immodest context

01:31:18.960 whereas if it was in Victorian England it would yes and I and I use that dress code's not everything

01:31:24.120 but it's it's it's the application of biblical principle looks different because of nationalism

01:31:31.000 correct yeah correct so i think because of where you are geography because the family that you're

01:31:35.400 a part of and so again we don't want to divorce what we want to do is we want to become gnostics

01:31:40.180 where everything spiritual matters and everything on the earth doesn't matter and that's what's

01:31:44.400 created a world that we just go with us it's all going to hell in a hand basket it's very

01:31:47.300 dispensational thinking exactly yeah um but we need to have again the reason that western

01:31:52.140 civilization was created the way it was because they believed they were building christendom

01:31:55.280 they believed they were building the kingdom of god on earth and that those things like i believe

01:31:59.100 the cologne cathedral will be in heaven yeah i think it'll be purified i mean saint paul says

01:32:02.960 as he says you know your work works can be tested by fire and survive and maybe it was

01:32:06.840 yes and so if the word's going to be pure world's going to be purified by fire some things will

01:32:10.300 survive yes amazing grace is going to survive oh bro i've been on this for for years i think

01:32:14.800 there's paintings that will be in heaven there's cathedrals that will be in heaven and because

01:32:18.120 the king and here's the thing that people get wrong as well as the kingdom of god in heaven

01:32:21.240 the new jerusalem it's not on a cloud somewhere it's here correct it's here so this is like what

01:32:27.640 you know this is what i think that heaven's going to be like you're going to be able to go without

01:32:32.440 now there's no sin but let's just i want to be able to go to a to a ethiopia that's christian

01:32:38.040 yeah and experience oh the best of a question ethiopia yeah and i want to go to uh korea and

01:32:44.760 experience christian korea i think that what we know that we're going to have our same body so

01:32:49.320 So there's going to be different skin colors

01:32:51.240 and we're going to be on the same earth.

01:32:53.080 We know that there might not be oceans.

01:32:55.000 We know that there might be a different solar reality.

01:32:57.820 The solar reality is kind of confusing for me too.

01:32:59.740 We don't know those realities.

01:33:01.020 It almost makes it sound like just Jerusalem won't have darkness,

01:33:04.020 but maybe like, you know, San Diego will have an, I don't know.

01:33:06.420 Yeah, we don't know.

01:33:07.620 But the reality is I do believe that the nations will still exist.

01:33:11.740 Peoples, distinct peoples will still exist.

01:33:13.720 Yes, because God created it.

01:33:15.400 Exactly.

01:33:15.960 So we have to stop flattening everything.

01:33:19.320 embrace the distinctions without becoming racist yeah that's literally like truly racist like

01:33:24.420 that is what i'm trying to do is i go i want a christian world and everybody wants to say it's

01:33:30.540 kind of like whenever you talk about a term you talk about patriarchy they go misogynist you talk

01:33:35.440 about anti-dispensational anti-semite yeah you talk about you know anything about nationalism 0.95

01:33:40.220 nazi it's like no like stop it yeah that is a that is a feministic response because you can't 0.84

01:33:46.980 deal with it it's also an effeminate response it's just don't be such a girl dude have the 1.00

01:33:50.980 conversation what women do is they want the conflict to go away so they discredit the 0.97

01:33:56.380 conversation altogether by using a school it's it's just ad hominem it's it's i'm not even or 0.87

01:34:01.160 or appeal to origin or appeal to motive it's like i'm not even and i see people do this people who

01:34:06.020 are conservative drives me freaking nuts it's like hey like you know with nick fuentes for example

01:34:10.820 it's like i disagree with like 99 of his solutions to problems but i agree with probably like 70 80

01:34:18.420 of the problems that he points out and what i always tell people is like do not just write the

01:34:22.740 guy off because here's the thing if he's the only one bringing up these problems and talking about 0.97

01:34:27.620 them and you and your anti-intellectual piety your piety signaling garbage you know bs christianity 0.85

01:34:33.220 if you won't even talk about these problems they're going to go to him because he's talking 0.96

01:34:36.340 about the problems this is why i said earlier i said if the pastors aren't talking about it yeah

01:34:40.020 that's why i'm trying to talk about nationalism i'm trying to talk about immigration i'm talking

01:34:44.740 about marriage and i want to talk about it christianly the problem is i don't have anybody

01:34:48.820 to go back to to look at because the reformers never had these problems yeah which again gets

01:34:53.940 us back to this place of yeah we need to like give give your brothers stephen wolf and joel

01:34:59.300 webben and myself and the ogden guys we need a little bit of grace because there is we have

01:35:05.940 nobody no forefathers to look to on these topics yeah like we have yeah we are joel can stop

01:35:11.620 calling everyone who disagrees with them a feminist that's a little at home so so if we but

01:35:15.620 if we get people we go i am developing with a handful of people yeah in the united states and

01:35:23.780 around the world the very first real theology against multiculturalism right because no one

01:35:29.460 ever else had to do that same with transgenderism anybody that's writing books no one's ever had to

01:35:33.780 to do that no one's ever had to do that you could argue augustine did but that's about it yeah yeah

01:35:37.640 so it's like we we are trying to to do this christianly yeah and people assume the worst

01:35:43.200 motives yeah and i really do believe i'm working on a book called god's design for nations and i'm

01:35:48.400 my hope is to spend a year in research and preparation on it and so but we do we need

01:35:53.020 these conversations because a lot of our problems are trickling down from a fragmented church

01:35:58.560 around nationalism like when the nation's crumbling again everything kind of crumbles

01:36:05.020 underneath it sure and and so england's crumbling well what's happening to the anglican church it's

01:36:10.160 crumbling too yeah um you know uh well and you know what's happening really crumbling in england

01:36:15.040 is the monarchy yes you talk about that okay the church is crumbling who's the head of the church

01:36:19.460 the monarchy so hey it's a headship problem man where is your headship your headship's absent

01:36:24.260 right now you've got an adulterer as the king i love king charles great sense of humor i've heard

01:36:28.040 from from secondhand accounts that he is a christian man at least now he certainly wasn't

01:36:33.300 and he is an adulterer so it's like you you look at i mean do you think elizabeth ii would have

01:36:38.660 stood even for a second a female archbishop if it didn't if she was still alive that would have

01:36:43.620 killed her yeah uh we are seeing the monarchy crumble we're seeing the headship crumble so 0.80

01:36:47.520 this let me let me i guess uh because we're gonna have to light the plane now the the the the i guess

01:36:52.800 the confusion i always have maybe this is a bad thing so it'll bring a much longer conversation

01:36:56.820 but i don't see an america to look back to that won't eventually devolve to the same issue because

01:37:03.900 the whole point of america from the beginning was not protestant reform protestantism it was

01:37:09.000 schismatics it was puritans it was wesleyans it was congregationalists it wasn't a nation founded

01:37:15.020 by a protestant tradition it was a nation founded by the reason we have evangelical multi-million

01:37:20.740 denominations is because of america if we just had the anglican church of america which is

01:37:26.200 essentially the anglo church of america yeah um because you read your abecca book homeschool

01:37:31.320 history book or whatever and it says oh the puritans were escaping religious persecution

01:37:35.080 it's like okay technically definitionally yes it was religious persecution but was it rightful or

01:37:39.720 wrongful religious persecution because the anglicans are saying that's heresy you don't get to do it

01:37:44.680 here and that's a good thing to do to stop heresy and they said well sick we're just going to go do

01:37:49.240 our heresy across the ocean and now we have an america with no church over it where everyone's

01:37:54.920 just allowed to practice their own version of christianity quakerism or impuritism or

01:37:58.840 wesleyanism and it's chaos and there's no headship where there's a lack of hedge i want to sound like

01:38:04.360 a papist now where there's a lack of headship there's no vision and where there's no vision

01:38:08.280 that people perish so the answer to this whole discussion we need a nation like a real nation

01:38:15.560 right now we're kind of an empire but we need a nation we need a reformed catholic church

01:38:21.160 that'll give us authority and then we need a monarchy yeah here we go okay give us a king

01:38:29.200 so we have a nation yeah we have a king yeah and we have a reformed catholic church yeah

01:38:33.080 yeah you get me with king you'll win me over with king if we can get an american american dynasty

01:38:37.720 king bush just kidding that's that's the solution yeah that's a fantastic conversation thank you for

01:38:42.700 taking the time thank you for admitting that yoga pants aren't sinful i'm kidding i'm gonna clip

01:38:46.520 that out um but it was an absolute pleasure i appreciate you allowing me to challenge things 0.95

01:38:50.060 Again, I speak as a fool, somebody who's younger, who does not have family, the leadership, 0.93

01:38:53.940 the wisdom that you have just through sheer age and experience. 0.97

01:38:56.580 So I appreciate you allowing me to challenge you and question you and disagree with you.

01:39:00.220 And we're still going to disagree on things.

01:39:01.780 And that's fantastic.

01:39:02.580 That's great.

01:39:02.960 That's the point of this.

01:39:04.280 Until you get your king into office, then I'll be guillotined.

01:39:07.240 So I look forward to the day.

01:39:09.520 Thanks for the conversation.

01:39:10.480 Thank you, Pastor Dale.

01:39:11.140 Appreciate it.

Dale Partridge - May 13, 2026

Christian Nationalism, Trad Culture, and Interracial Marriage

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