Dale Partridge - Real Christianity #125： Why We Need Confessional Christianity in a Clueless Christian Culture.

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00:01:11.840 Okay, good topic today.

00:01:14.260 Unfortunately, as many of you know, the vast majority of Christians in the West know very little about what they say they believe.

00:01:26.040 They say things like, Jesus is my theology, or I don't need doctrine, I just need the Bible, or my only creed is Christ.

00:01:35.060 I've heard these things said before. We have a big issue with me, my Bible, and I theology.

00:01:40.800 In addition to this, we also have several other groups out there who call themselves Christian, but their definition of the Bible, God, Christ, and the church are out of step with historic, biblical, evangelical Christianity.

00:01:58.300 So the truth is, if someone calls themselves a Christian today, that needs to be qualified.

00:02:04.840 But how do we do that? 0.78

00:02:06.060 How do we discern genuine believers from deceived religious groups, from cultic movements, and from heretics?

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00:04:34.240 Okay, today's question is from Jake from Columbia in South Carolina, or I should say Columbia, South Carolina.

00:04:40.340 And he asked the question, Pastor Dale, I'm a youth pastor, and in recent years, we've had more people join our church from Bethel, Hillsong, or one of these other megachurches who promote a health and wealth-like gospel.

00:04:57.200 Additionally, we have also had people join from several fundamentalist Baptist churches here in the South.

00:05:04.680 Essentially, I'm realizing that many of these new people at our church are unaware that they hold a variety of heretical ideas about the gospel, the church, and the Bible.

00:05:15.140 How can I bring our church or help bring our church as a whole to an orthodox view of Christian doctrine?

00:05:23.340 Okay, this is a really good question, and it's actually something that I'm going to try to talk to you as a pastor, Jake, but also I think is very helpful for the average Christian.

00:05:32.620 And so let's just all dive in together on this.

00:05:36.340 And I can assure you, Jake, that this is a problem for all pastors, basically for all time.

00:05:44.200 Always having people come in from different walks of life and different experiences and different historical church standards and statements of faith.

00:05:55.320 So this is a very common thing.

00:05:57.020 We live in a generation where many people, I mean, many, many people in the church are the walking dead.

00:06:05.520 And by that, I mean that they're physically alive, but they're spiritually dead.

00:06:10.320 And this is because we've, again, peddled Christianity from the pulpit. 0.91

00:06:15.140 And we've told people if they pray the sinner's prayer and they get baptized, that they're saved.

00:06:20.840 This is very different from the historical biblical Christianity that we see down the annals of church history.

00:06:29.380 Biblical Christianity preaches the gospel, and they do it repetitively and boldly.

00:06:35.200 There was no altar calls or sinner's prayers to initiate conversion.

00:06:41.320 These, again, are extra biblical practices that I believe have no place in the church.

00:06:45.940 People don't need to come forward at church to come to Christ.

00:06:49.960 Okay, this idea of calling people forward, if you look at it through when it started, you know, coming into church practice, I really believe that it's man's way of measuring the success of his own evangelism.

00:07:04.060 You know, I've had people come to Christ through this podcast.

00:07:07.880 They never came forward or said the sinner's prayer.

00:07:11.200 The sinner's prayer doesn't save people.

00:07:14.260 God saves people by opening their ears and their eyes to the gospel, granting them repentance and faith, and bringing them through regeneration and into the fold of God's people.

00:07:26.360 People need to hear the raw biblical gospel, and then we need to wait for the Lord to birth these people into his kingdom.

00:07:35.500 You know, I want to preach and to proclaim.

00:07:39.720 I'm not trying to intellectually persuade people when I preach.

00:07:43.760 I'm trying to penetrate the heart.

00:07:45.860 That's my aim, is to penetrate the heart.

00:07:49.500 And I can't break through.

00:07:50.900 It's the Lord that's got to do it, but I'm just going to preach the gospel faithfully, direct it at the heart.

00:07:56.360 And the gospel, we have to believe, guys, is a knife.

00:07:59.800 It's sharper than any two-edged sword.

00:08:02.080 And we need to let it do the piercing and the wounding

00:08:06.760 and allow people's brokenness and crumbling self-reliance

00:08:11.340 to drive them to repentance and belief.

00:08:15.500 But again, unfortunately, that's not what we have today.

00:08:19.120 At least we have so many decades of recent history

00:08:22.060 of that's not what's happened.

00:08:23.380 And for that reason, we have thousands of cultural Christians, these Bible belt kind of Americana Christians, conservative Republican Christians, religious moralist Christians who are deceived.

00:08:38.140 They're misinformed, and many of them are actually on their way to hell and they have no idea. 0.70

00:08:44.100 And so I'm just going to be very bold there.

00:08:46.920 And Jake, I'm going to break down my response in two pieces.

00:08:50.380 First, we just need to first commit to a constant re-preaching of gospel basics.

00:08:58.280 I'm talking over and over and over and over and over and over again.

00:09:04.640 Every Sunday, gospel basics over and over.

00:09:08.960 Because you don't know when the Lord might break through the heart of somebody.

00:09:14.920 Oh my goodness, I can't believe that.

00:09:17.240 Wait, what? That's what the gospel means?

00:09:18.980 Like the breakthroughs are just amazing when they come, but it's just faithful preaching of the biblical gospel integrated into your sermons, integrated into your discussions, integrated into your announcements, whatever you possibly can get that gospel basic doctrine out there.

00:09:39.460 And in American churchianity, you really need to pry people's dead hands from their church camp testimony where someone asked them at 12 years old if they don't want to go to hell.

00:09:52.660 And if that was the case, they should come forward and accept Jesus.

00:09:56.240 I mean, these people are white-knuckled onto that testimony.

00:10:00.740 And I'm not saying that every church camp convert is false.

00:10:05.580 You know, many people are saved through these ministries, but many are also deceived through these moments.

00:10:11.460 They believe that they're actually saved, when in reality, they're actually not.

00:10:17.880 They're just in a religious state.

00:10:20.300 Again, Dr. Steve Lawson says this quote.

00:10:22.540 I say it all the time.

00:10:23.600 I'm going to have you guys memorize this quote.

00:10:26.140 He says, the only thing worse than not having the assurance of salvation is having the false assurance of salvation.

00:10:35.620 Now, I don't want anybody here to just start doubting their salvation because I'm saying this.

00:10:41.060 But I do want all of us to self-examine and to look at our comprehension of the gospel against biblical, Christian, historic, evangelical Christianity.

00:10:53.720 I look at it and go, do we believe what the Bible says we're supposed to believe?

00:10:58.060 Is that the view? 0.99

00:10:59.340 Because Pharisaical living is a real thing. 0.99

00:11:03.600 It's a real thing. 0.95

00:11:05.300 And we need to be aware of that.

00:11:06.700 John Wesley, George Whitefield, Charles Wesley, you know, Jonathan Edwards, Martin Luther, John Calvin.

00:11:16.860 I mean, guys, these are people who were in the church for years, in ministry for years.

00:11:24.060 Some of them had doctorates and master's degrees in theology before they actually were born again.

00:11:30.300 Now, God has unique stories for these men, and I don't want to project those stories upon you. 0.52

00:11:34.080 But what I'm saying is they were deceived by the Catholic church.

00:11:39.500 And today we have all types of deceiving things that are out there.

00:11:43.060 and we need to get very clear on what biblical Christianity is

00:11:48.280 and make sure that we are in step or in alignment with that.

00:11:54.400 So that's my little preach section right there.

00:11:59.980 And so secondly, that was the first thing.

00:12:03.000 We've got to preach the gospel basics over and over again,

00:12:05.500 not assume that people are actually, that everybody in your church is saved.

00:12:10.000 Actually, I'm going to go on a tangent just for a second.

00:12:11.940 We have to remember that revival, historically, when we think of the word revival, okay, this is not historically defined as a group of people who were a bunch of atheists that came to Christ.

00:12:23.340 Like the Great Awakening in the 1700s and the Second Great Awakening, these are great awakenings of people who call themselves Christians.

00:12:33.640 These are people in the churches who didn't know they were dead coming alive because someone started preaching the biblical gospel.

00:12:44.100 I mean, if you read the accounts of people who are listening to Jonathan Edwards' Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God,

00:12:53.440 this is a sermon that he delivered, and there's accounts of people that are like wallowing.

00:12:59.960 I mean, I'm like, like just wailing, screaming out, asking for forgiveness, crying at the foot of the cross, like wild stories of repentance because Jonathan Edwards preached the biblical raw gospel.

00:13:17.160 Paul Washer talks about this same thing as well, that he was preaching once, and all of a sudden he started seeing, without an invitation to come forward, people are coming, and they're like wailing and crying and laying themselves on the front of the steps before him, and they're just quiet, and he just continues preaching and preaching, and more people start coming forward.

00:13:40.840 This is, this is what we're, I'm trying to say here is that when we preach the biblical gospel, you just are the midwife of God's work.

00:13:51.240 He is, he is birthing out these people.

00:13:55.380 Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

00:13:58.000 Preach the word of God, preach that gospel and let people just come to faith and on their own.

00:14:04.820 You don't need to invite them forward.

00:14:06.260 You don't need to have them say a printer's prayer.

00:14:07.640 Just preach that gospel and let the Lord do the rest.

00:14:11.920 Secondly, and to get to the more direct issue at this episode, catechize your church members.

00:14:20.980 Okay, present to them biblical, historic, evangelical Christianity and let them again examine that very clear definition written down against what they believe.

00:14:35.140 And as you stated, Jake, in your question, you have people from all types of Jesus-related religious backgrounds.

00:14:44.820 But when someone says, I'm a Christian today, what does that even mean?

00:14:50.460 We have to determine what that means because the Jehovah's Witnesses call themselves Christians.

00:14:54.300 The Mormons call themselves Christians. 0.96

00:14:56.360 The grave-sucking Christian tarot card reading extreme Bethel church people call themselves Christians. 1.00

00:15:03.420 The Amish call themselves Christians, right? 0.99

00:15:06.040 There's all these people out there that call themselves Christians, 1.00

00:15:09.080 but there is only one gospel,

00:15:11.220 and every single one of these groups disagrees with the other about what it is.

00:15:16.960 Okay, so this is the value of confessionalism, okay?

00:15:22.640 Confessionalism.

00:15:24.020 Like our ministry at Reformation Seminary,

00:15:27.680 we're planting biblical house churches.

00:15:29.580 um our ministry is a confessional church movement this doesn't mean that we elevated above scripture

00:15:38.220 that's not what i'm saying is that we have clear confessions about what we believe um our little

00:15:44.880 house church confession book is a hundred pages long and it talks about what we believe and we're

00:15:50.580 always clarifying that and clarifying that to get more clear and so we need confessions in the church

00:15:57.940 This is a very helpful tool for a church.

00:16:00.040 And I'm not talking about, again, shallow, easily misinterpreted, three-paragraph statement of faith on your church website that makes the entire world feel accepted either.

00:16:09.960 I'm not talking about that.

00:16:11.400 I'm talking about churches who either adhere to or adopt their own historic statements of faith.

00:16:20.040 I'm thinking about like the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith or the Westminster Statement of Faith.

00:16:25.680 John MacArthur spent, I think, several months, maybe even several years, writing the Grace Community Church Constitution.

00:16:38.920 But these need to be, again, ultra-clear, thorough, well-documented, explained, biblically-backed, robust statements of faith on Christ, the Trinity, Scripture, the Church, the Gospel, right?

00:16:53.980 Some confessional churches have even gone as far to confess openly their beliefs on marriage and children and sexuality and gender and divorce.

00:17:02.120 And bottom line, we live in an information age that's riddled with relativism and self-determining truth.

00:17:12.260 Okay, we have a low intellect and a low, I mean, meaning that our desire for intellectual assent is low.

00:17:20.120 We have very low understanding of logic, very low understanding of philosophy or religion.

00:17:26.760 We have a low value for mental theological discipline, low respect and trust for experts like pastors who have been trained.

00:17:36.960 We have high emotions. We have high desires for pleasure.

00:17:41.240 We're self-centric. We're autonomous and independent by nature.

00:17:45.460 I mean, guys, we are a generation that has every ingredient for creating and adopting bad theology, okay?

00:17:53.440 This is why the church is a mess right now.

00:17:58.340 The founding president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, he wrote a really cool little two-paragraph piece, short paragraphs.

00:18:06.840 I'm going to read them to you just to kind of explain.

00:18:10.960 He wrote about confessionalism.

00:18:12.840 He says,

00:18:42.840 jellyfish and means less unity and less morality. And it means more heresy. Definitive truth does

00:18:51.380 not create heresy. It only exposes it and corrects it. Shut off the creed and the Christian church

00:18:58.900 or the Christian work would fill up with heresy, unsuspected and uncorrected, but nonetheless 0.85

00:19:05.800 deadly. This is just, it's exactly what I'm talking about here. We need to get clear. And so 0.77

00:19:12.540 So I'll talk more about that in a second, but I would say, Jake, take your church, or if you're a listener, take your family through a robust confession of faith.

00:19:24.720 For example, I'm holding right now in my hands the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith in Modern English.

00:19:32.420 It's produced by Founders Ministry, a friend of mine, Tom Askell, I've actually just had him, I did an interview with him that'll be coming out on the podcast in the future.

00:19:42.540 founders.org you can actually pick up a copy of that and read it it's about 60 pages long

00:19:48.480 now these confessions are they're not to again supersede the scriptures they're simply to

00:19:55.720 organize and succinctly identify the grand teaching or the grand narrative of the scriptures

00:20:02.100 and i like these older confessions because they've stood the test of time and scrutiny

00:20:08.260 And additionally, I like them because they're developed by hundreds of pastors and theologians

00:20:14.480 and not just a small team of men.

00:20:17.180 And to get really practical, there are, again, several Q&A catechisms that can help Christians

00:20:26.280 grasp what they believe.

00:20:28.580 And these I use with my children.

00:20:30.620 I think it's something we can use in the church, small groups.

00:20:33.900 This is a great tool.

00:20:35.840 For example, if you're a believer and you've been a believer for many years and you can't answer just questions like, what is the Trinity?

00:20:44.200 Or why does Jesus need to be fully man and fully God?

00:20:47.220 Or what is the chief end of man?

00:20:49.900 Or how were godly people saved before the coming of Christ?

00:20:53.860 Or what does communion represent?

00:20:56.280 Or what is the purpose of the church?

00:20:58.260 Or how does Christ's resurrection benefit us?

00:21:01.900 Or how many sacraments did Christ institute in the New Testament?

00:21:06.660 You need to have the answers for this.

00:21:08.160 And those questions that I just listed off,

00:21:10.160 those come from the catechism for children between the ages of 8 and 10.

00:21:15.320 Okay, this is basic stuff that we need to really take hold of

00:21:21.140 in our churches, in our families, so that we understand what we believe.

00:21:27.200 Ultimately, a confessional church is a place of informed and unified members who are more equipped to guard against heresies and false teachings.

00:21:39.520 We need to be informed, and then we can be unified around these ideas, and we're more equipped when we know the truth to notice a lie.

00:21:48.880 Okay, Christians need to be clear about what Christianity is, and when you have a church that's filled with people who hold varying views on critical issues, one, this is just grounds for a church to explode and divide and turn into a mess.

00:22:16.860 But the only way to deal with that, in my opinion, if this is what's going on in your church,

00:22:21.560 a bunch of people who are unclear, a bunch of people who don't like,

00:22:25.700 they don't even know they have a statement of faith on their church's website.

00:22:28.780 This is not good because this is a breeding ground for deception.

00:22:34.420 And the only way to get past this, as I said, is preaching the biblical doctrine and gospel truth

00:22:40.660 over and over again.

00:22:42.120 And then again, offering systematic training and reading of historic statements of faith that are robust, deep, and then grasping those fundamentals through catechism, through question and answer catechism.

00:22:58.680 Guys, these are wonderful tools that have proven to be very fruitful throughout church history.

00:23:05.720 So I'll give you guys a few resources on this episode, and hopefully it'll be helpful for you guys as we close out.

00:23:12.120 But a few things that I'm going to say just kind of you can just Google around and find is the Apostles' Creed is a good one.

00:23:19.700 Just it's essential, basic Christian fundamentals.

00:23:23.780 It's something that a lot of churches would recite on a regular basis or many Christians have memorized.

00:23:28.580 But I would look at the Apostles' Creed.

00:23:30.920 I would look at the Athanasian Creed. 0.78

00:23:33.220 And this is a Trinitarian defense against Arianism early, I believe, I think it's the 4th century is when that happened.

00:23:43.360 But the Athanasian Creed is a great creed to understand the complexity of explaining and representing the Trinity faithfully when people ask about it.

00:23:53.760 And guys, so many issues come, I mean, the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons, I mean, the way they view Trinity, I mean, it's very, very different than how we view Trinity.

00:24:02.300 The Nicene Creed, same thing, kind of a reaction to the Arian view from the, I guess it would be mid to late 4th century.

00:24:14.580 And this is, again, another Trinitarian view, but it also talks about the hypostatic union, Jesus being fully man and fully God.

00:24:22.160 So there's some great things there.

00:24:23.500 These are, again, just basic creeds, which are different than statements of faith.

00:24:28.600 The 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith is great.

00:24:31.260 It's a Reformed theology on a Reformed view of the Christian faith.

00:24:38.460 And it's robust, not overwhelming, but robust.

00:24:42.500 The Westminster Confession of Faith can be a little overwhelming,

00:24:44.860 but it's a fantastic read getting through it,

00:24:47.860 especially if you could find a version and it's in modern English.

00:24:50.640 Banner of Truth produced a version of that, I believe.

00:24:55.040 I don't know if it's in modern English or not,

00:24:56.920 but it's worth having on your bookshelf for sure.

00:24:58.940 Another great resource is the Heidelberg Catechism. I like that catechism actually the most because instead of talking in a third-person perspective, it's talking in a first-person perspective. It's very pointed at you and at your heart, and it's just a really great catechism.

00:25:17.720 It comes from a Presbyterian background, but there's actually a Baptist version of the Heidelberg Catechism.

00:25:24.540 So you can look those up as well.

00:25:26.640 Kevin DeYoung wrote a book called The Good News We Almost Forgot, Rediscovering the Gospel in a 16th Century Catechism.

00:25:35.020 And it just goes basically question by question, bringing explanation to that catechism.

00:25:40.320 It's a really great book. It's published by Moody.

00:25:42.300 um and then um over at founders again tom askell and his crew i've been doing this little catechism

00:25:49.440 with my children it's called truth and grace and they're stage one stage two and stage three and

00:25:54.060 they go for like young kids little kids to like uh you know you know eight to ten year olds and

00:25:59.520 up to like like early teen kids and they're actually really good for you uh when you're

00:26:04.400 reading through our through them to your kids you'll go wow i know the answers to these things

00:26:08.320 Now, my daughter is about to be seven, and she knows, I think, about 100 Q&As at this point, all the way through the first book.

00:26:21.360 And she's getting ready to go into the second book.

00:26:23.200 And so just a great little resource there.

00:26:25.620 They're cheap, too.

00:26:26.460 I think they're like $5 to $10 each.

00:26:29.240 And just go to founders.org.

00:26:31.240 I'm not making any money on it, so just go over there and support their ministry and what they're doing.

00:26:36.400 And again, those are called the Truth and Grace Memory Books 1, 2, and 3.

00:26:41.040 So I will put some of those links on the post page for this episode.

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Dale Partridge - December 23, 2020

Real Christianity #125： Why We Need Confessional Christianity in a Clueless Christian Culture.

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