Real Christianity #133： A Biblical Response to Ravi Zacharias
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In the wake of Ravi Zacharias' passing, many Christians have wondered if this means that Ravi wasn't actually born again. Some have asked if this invalidates Ravi's ministry, and some have even asked if they should stop listening to his podcasts and videos going forward. In this episode, Dale Partridge takes a look at the evidence against Ravi, and offers his perspective.
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My name is Dale Partridge, where each week I offer 20 to 30-minute answers to tough theological
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For those who are unaware, after the passing of Ravi Zacharias, several women, mostly massage
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therapists, came forward with claims of multiple accounts of long-term sexual misconduct, rape,
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sexual harassment, and manipulation. The evidence from the investigation found
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compelling proof for these allegations via notes, pictures, emails, and personal accounts of many
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different women. RZIM, the ministry of Ravi Zacharias, in an effort to be completely transparent,
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has released the full independent report of this on their website. As a result, many Christians
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have had valid questions. Some have asked if this means that Ravi wasn't actually born again.
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Some have asked, does this invalidate his life's ministry?
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Some have asked if they should stop listening to Ravi's podcasts and videos going forward.
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And it's my hope to look at the scriptures today and provide some principles that might
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But before I begin, I just want to mention two quick things.
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Number one, just a reminder that the Theologian series begins not next week, but the week
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So get ready for five hard-hitting interviews with some of today's top theologians.
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Then in April, we're going to be featuring our top seven episodes out of the 135 episodes
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And then I'm going to be on a semi-sabbatical for that time, and I'll return with some all-new
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Number two, I want to talk about, especially because we're talking about this issue with
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Ravi Zacharias, I want to talk about our program at standinvictory.org.
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This is a simple gospel-centered program for breaking free from the bondage of pornography.
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I want to read you a testimony from a young lady that just sent this to me from Arizona.
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world. Since I was in elementary school, I struggled with sexual sin, something I felt so
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alone in and didn't know how to escape from. It controlled me for 15 plus years. I began watching
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pornography, and at this point, I felt I had no control and became scared. That same week, I heard
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through your podcast that you came out with the Stand in Victory course. I had nowhere else to
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turn, and I felt that this was my last chance at freedom, so I enrolled in the course. I knew that
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if this didn't work, nothing would. And by God's leading, I took the course, and the Lord had mercy
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on me and graciously saved me. Your course helped me understand how much God hates sin and hated
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what I was doing. I was in complete rebellion to him and loved my sin more than anything. Those
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chains have finally been broken, and the Lord has freed me. I had never heard the gospel in the way
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that you had explained it, and God revealed to me through your ministry that he is not only Savior,
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but also Lord. Now I desire to be a slave to nothing and no one else except my Lord Jesus
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Christ. Thank you for this course. It is bringing those who are in darkness out into the light.
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I hope that was edifying for you. It was for me. And we get messages like this actually quite often,
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testimonies from the Stand at Victory course. It's a short program, just a handful of videos
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with some vital gospel-centered truths around addiction, around freedom, around the gospel,
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on the way that we should be viewing these things. So again, you can enroll at standinvictory.org.
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Okay, so let's get into this episode. To be honest, I would have rather written a eulogy
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than write this podcast. This was a difficult episode to put together because, I mean, for
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many reasons, but one, as scripture says, man looks on the outward appearance, but God looks
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at the heart. I'm limited in my commentary because I'm limited on my view of this situation.
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Proverbs 18, 17 also says, the one who states his case first seems right until the other comes and
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examines him. Unfortunately, we are only hearing one side of this story. Now, I do believe the
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evidence against Ravi is so compelling, numerous, and persuasive that I think Ravi was guilty
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of these allegations. Is it possible that some of these allegations are misrepresentative
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or misrepresented? Sure, but the evidence is too great to say that they were all false allegations.
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Furthermore, as a dad of a little girl, I'm just hurting for the women who were abused and manipulated in this situation.
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May God grant them peace and bring them into a saving relationship with him, despite the tragic sins that they experienced.
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But most of all, I'm righteously angry that through this scenario,
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Ravi tarnished the name of Christ before an onlooking world.
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Make no mistake, the kingdom of hell celebrated the day Ravi's sins were brought to light,
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not because that was the right thing to do, which it was, to bring them to light,
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but because they knew that God's name would be stained across 10,000 websites, videos, and podcasts.
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It's all tragic, but it's very instructive for the church today.
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And I want to start off by saying that for many years, I listened to and was edified by the ministry of Ravi Zacharias.
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He was a brilliant man whom the Lord used to preach not only the gospel, but also to present biblical truth to a broken world.
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Second, as Christians, our first reaction to this news about Ravi shouldn't be,
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No, it should be, oh, Lord, thank you for your grace on my life,
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for without it, I could do something just like that.
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In other words, it's pride that looks down upon other people and says,
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But it's humility before the Lord that says, thank you, God, for sparing me from such sin.
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Dr. David Harvey once said, self-righteousness is a sense of moral superiority that appoints us
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as a prosecutor of other people's sinfulness. We relate to others as if we are incapable of
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the sins they commit. But the truth is, we are just as capable. As a result, this self-righteousness
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in our hearts wages war against our ability to extend mercy to others, end quote. This is really
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the exact lesson that was taught by the woman caught in the act of adultery in John chapter 8.
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sinners in that story aggressively bring another sinner to jesus in an attempt to trap him and
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stone the woman okay jesus as you know makes a statement in verse seven that takes the fingers
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of her accusers and turns them around and points them right back at their own hearts he says let
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him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her the next verse says and they
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which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at
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the eldest, even unto the last. And Jesus was left alone and the woman standing in the midst.
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You know, I think it was Charles Spurgeon who said, if any man thinks ill of you,
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do not be angry with him, for you are far worse than he thinks you to be.
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the point i'm trying to make here everyone is that we need to have a right estimation of ourselves
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before we talk about others okay we are either sinners or we are sinners saved by grace but in
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either case we are all sinners um we are all fallen we are all every day um breaking the
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first and greatest commandment to love the lord your god with all your heart with all your soul
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with all your mind. We most definitely break the second commandment to love our neighbors as
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ourselves. We are constantly in need of God's grace. We're saints who sin, but in either case,
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we are sinners constantly in need of grace. And this is the heart posture of humility and moral
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sobriety that needs to be at the foundation before we even have a conversation like the one
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we're about to have. Okay. Every single one of you listening to this podcast is a rampant sinner,
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just like me, who without Christ and without Christ's decision to sovereignly save you
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would be hell bound. Okay. We are no better than any other person in this world. We are all hopeless
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and helpless without Christ. That is the starting point for this conversation.
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So with that being clear, let's begin with the first question.
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Okay, to begin, I just want to say there's not going to be a definite answer to this question.
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I don't even really like the question, but I think it's important to address because so many of you asked me about it.
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but there's not going to be a definite answer to this question.
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The Bible simply tells us that we will know believers by their fruit.
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Now, this isn't talking about the fruit of their ministry or the size of their ministry,
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but the fruit of the Spirit in their own lives.
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it does make this examination far more complex.
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Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
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So in this particular instance, with a man who clearly claimed to believe and to follow Christ,
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I believe our default position needs to be, as believers, to believe all things and hope all things.
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Now that said, we do get to sit between two towers, grace and truth.
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Now this passage is speaking to the grand narrative of redemptive history.
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God brought the law, which increased sin, but God also sent Christ, which increased grace beyond the boundaries of sin.
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now let me give you some more on this and I'll wrap it up in a second and the next verse
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starts in chapter 6 verses 1 through 14 it continues with some very important truths
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and I want you to pay attention as I read this Paul says what shall we say then are we to continue
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in sin that grace may abound by no means how can we who died in sin still live in it do you not
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know that all of us who have been baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
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We were buried, therefore, with him by baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was
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raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we
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have been united with him in a death like this, we shall certainly be united with him in a
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resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of
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sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died
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has been set free from sin. Now, if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live
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with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again. Death no longer
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has dominion over him. For the death he died, he died to sin once for all, but the life he lives,
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he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in
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Christ Jesus. Verse 12, let no sin therefore reign in your mortal body to make you obey its passion.
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Do not present your members or your body parts to sin as instruments for unrighteousness,
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but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life
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and your members to God as instruments for righteousness.
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since you are not under the law, but under grace.
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It teaches us two general principles here.
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Okay, this is a letter from Paul to Christians about how Christians need to behave
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And it's evident that there are Christians who sin.
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I don't know if you've ever read the book of 1 Corinthians,
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but it's filled with divisive, sexually immoral, selfish, unloving Christians.
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again paul in first corinthians calls these people brothers and sisters in the lord
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and there's a quote i think it's by thomas watson who says in the born-again christian
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sin will remain but in the born-again christian sin will not reign i think that's the point of
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this passage here. Number two thing that we learn from this passage, our identity is what gives us
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our spiritual security in Christ. Okay, if we are in Christ, if we are truly born again, there is
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no sin that condemn us. There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,
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right? God will sanctify us and sustain us. He will glorify us. Jesus says in John 10, 27 through
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28, my sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life and they
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will never perish and no one will snatch them out of my hand. So this is the first tower. Okay. This
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is the grace of God. And it's only fair to run your perspective of Ravi's story through those
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truths of God's grace. I've had several people ask me if they think that Ravi was a believer,
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if they think Ravi went to hell. Again, we need to realize that if Ravi was truly a born-again
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believer, then the answer is no, he didn't go to hell. He's sitting in heaven reigning with
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Jesus Christ. His sins, just like your sins, were paid for by Christ. We are not made righteous
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by our behavior or lack thereof. Our behavior is simply a reflection of our gratitude of the
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one who made us righteous. Okay, so the question is not about how much sin a person can commit
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which are centrally intended to be used in self-examination,
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but can also be helpful in trying to identify those in the church
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who profess Christ yet live contrary to the word
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and fail to yield the fruits of the Spirit in their life.
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everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.
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You know that he appeared in order to take sins away, and in him there is no sin.
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No one who abides in him keeps on sinning. That is, they don't continue practicing sin habitually.
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I'll read that again. No one who abides in him keeps on sinning. No one who keeps on sinning
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has either seen him or known him. Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices
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righteousness is righteous as he is righteous. Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the
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devil. For the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the son of God appeared was
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to destroy the works of the devil. Listen to this verse nine. No one born of God makes a practice
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of sinning. For God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born
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of God. By this, verse 10, it is evident who are the children of God and who are the children of
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the devil. Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love
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his brother or sister. I can't tell you guys how many times I've preached on this passage of
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Scripture, it's so important. In this letter, John is trying to give assurance to believers
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about their salvation and clarity about the signs of false believers. And he says,
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true believers, true born-again believers that have the seed, God's seed abiding in them,
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they don't practice sin. That is, they don't regularly participate in ongoing sin. They
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don't improve their ability to perform it. They don't get better at doing it. They don't get
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better at hiding it. They don't get better at justifying it. And they can't continue sinning
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long-term because as verse 9 says, they cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.
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In other words, at some point, the Holy Spirit will bring conviction
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and God will bring discipline, as it says in Hebrews,
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He will not let his children run rampant in sin.
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He will not let you as his son or daughter drag his name through the mud forever.
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He loves his name too much and he loves you too much
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But what this also teaches us is that those who have been walking in long-term, habitual, patternistic sins, like the ones we're seeing and talking about in the evidence against Ravi, this becomes indicative that they might not be being convicted by the Holy Spirit and are not being disciplined by God.
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and that it could be possible that they're not his children.
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Now, again, the danger of making such a claim is that many saved men and women
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So, again, this is not a clear-cut doctrine, but it's strong principles.
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But in the born-again Christian, sin will not reign.
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Okay, these are truths we as believers get to bring to the table when evaluating situations like the one before us.
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Okay, the second part of this truth is that we must realize that people can claim Christ, be highly religious, incredibly moral, and not be born again.
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On that day, many will say to me, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons in your name and do many mighty works in your name?
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And then I will declare to them, I never knew you.
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In other words, spiritual giftedness is not the best metric to determine if someone is saved.
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Thousands upon thousands of people have come to the church without ever coming to Christ.
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If you haven't read my story on relearn.org, I was serving in the church for years before I was born again.
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Now, Martin Luther, Martin Luther had a doctorate in theology and hammered his 95 theses to the
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castle door in Wittenberg, Germany, before he was born again. John Wesley was a graduate of
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Oxford Theology School, a deacon in the Anglican Church, and a missionary to the Indians in America
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before he came to Christ. Okay, this is the exact picture of the Pharisees, the high priest,
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the man who was supposed to know more about God than anyone on earth was the one who crucified
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Christ. If you don't think that it's possible for men like Ravi Zacharias to have a worldwide
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ministry and not be born again, then all you need to do is turn your eyes to the Pope.
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Okay, religion and philosophy is all around us. We're drowning in it. Now, again, I'm not saying
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As I said earlier, we will not have an answer to that question.
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is how powerful religion and self-deception can be.
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My friend and professor, Dr. Stephen Lawson, once said,
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the only thing worse than not having the assurance of salvation
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so ultimately we get to sit in the tension between these two towers the grace of god
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and the truth of god if ravi was born again everything he has done was covered by the
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grace of god through the righteousness of christ and praise god for that but if ravi's ongoing
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habitual sin was indicative that he was simply a moralistic religious philosopher whose heart had
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never been made new. Then he, like the gifted men who came to Jesus and said, look at all that we've
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done in your name, are going to receive the same answer that they received from those people that
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came to Christ. Depart from me, I never knew you. But again, we're not going to have an answer to
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this question. To be honest, our objective should not be to have an answer about it.
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The only answer that you should be concerned with is this, where do I stand? Have I been born again?
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These are the questions that we need to be asking about ourselves.
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Now, before I close, I want to discuss that idea.
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I want to give some application points that take our eyes off of Ravi and put them back on ourselves.
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But before I do that, I do want to quickly address those two other questions that I received that are both valid and important.
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Number one is, does this news invalidate Ravi's ministry?
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And number two is, should Christians stop listening to Ravi's resources going forward?
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And so let me answer those questions, and then I will close with some application points.
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Let me read a passage from Philippians 1.15 that I think answers the first question.
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Some indeed preach Christ from envy and rivalry, but others from goodwill.
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The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am here, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel.
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The former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, but thinking to afflict me in my imprisonment.
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only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that
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I rejoice. Let me explain this for a second. That word pretense means for appearance sake or for
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show. So whether for appearance sake or in truth, Christ is proclaimed, and in that I rejoice.
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Essentially, what Paul is teaching us here is he's saying there's a correct way to preach the
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gospel. But even if it's preached from an incorrect heart, or from a hypocrite, or from someone who
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doesn't even know God, the gospel is still being preached. God will use a donkey to preach the
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truth. He'll cause the rocks to cry out his word. The means of the gospel have a standard. But even
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if the standard isn't met, and the gospel is being preached, Paul says we can rejoice.
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So in Ravi's case, was his life ministry wasted? Not according to Paul. The gospel was still
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preached, and in that we can rejoice. Now, knowing what we know about Ravi,
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should we continue seeking edification from his resources? I'm going to offer you my opinion,
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which my opinion is a loose no for a few reasons. Number one, I think that Ravi's theology was off
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anyway. Ravi was primarily a philosopher, and he was an Arminian free will theologian,
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and he denied the doctrines of grace and the predestination of God's people.
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His view of salvation was synergistic and not monergistic,
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meaning that he believed that you work together with God to be saved
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versus God doing all of the saving sovereignly.
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And he concluded that Christians could lose their salvation,
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which again makes Jesus a liar in John 10, 27-28,
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so while you know he's a brilliant intellectual with a Christian worldview I don't believe that
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he fully understood the mechanics of the gospel and the grace of God and for that reason his
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resources while helpful in some circumstances and maybe in some research are based upon in my view
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an impotent view of redemption and I think his theology was incongruent so that's my my first
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reason. The second reason is the Bible says in 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 that there's character
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qualifications for those who preach and shepherd God's people. And Ravi was clearly walking
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outside of those qualifications for a significant portion of his ministry. And for that reason,
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I don't feel Christians should turn to Ravi's resources for theological edification.
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In a time where we have resources from, you know, men like Charles Spurgeon and John MacArthur and Sproul and Martin Lloyd-Jones, the Puritans, Paul Washer, and many more, I don't think Ravi's content offers comparable edification.
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but again the most important question and point of this entire episode
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is how does Ravi's story translate to my story how can you take your eyes off Ravi and put them
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on yourself let me just offer you three points of application one I believe this should
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inaugurate a very serious time of self-examination? Are you walking in any habitual long-term sin?
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Are you regularly looking at porn? Are you having inappropriate relationships with someone other
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than your spouse? Do you have a substance abuse problem? Do you have any dark secrets that need
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to be dragged into the light and confessed and repented before God?
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And most of all, what would people find in your phone or in your internet history or
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Number two, as Christians, we're called to live a life that's above reproach.
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That is that we're not to live lives that can even remotely be criticized, which is
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difficult to do. It's this reason why married men and women should have some family rules to never
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be alone with someone of the opposite sex. It's why Christians should be careful who and what
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they associate themselves with. 1 Timothy 3, 7 tells us the reason why. I'm talking about an
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elder. It says, he must be well thought of by outsiders so that he may not fall into disgrace
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is to protect ourselves from falling into disgrace,
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and to protect ourselves from falling into the trap of the devil.
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Number three, don't put your hope or trust in any man.
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When his breath departs, he returns to the earth.
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But blessed is he whose help is the God of Jacob,
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and all that is in them who keeps faith forever.
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The point there is put your hope in Christ alone.
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And at the end of the day, this is just a tragic situation.
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We need to be praying for the Zacharias family.
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We need to be praying for the victims of the abuse that took place.
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We need to be praying for the truth to prevail in all of it.
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But most of all, we need to be praying that the Lord uses this tragedy
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so that the gospel can continue to be pushed forward
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So as always, guys, I'm going to leave you with a few resources
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that'll further your understanding of this topic.
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And you can find them on the post page of this episode at relearn.org.
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This is episode 133, titled A Biblical Response to Ravi Zacharias.
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The first one is an article titled The Character of the Christian by Tim Chalice.
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The second article is Above Reproach by John MacArthur.
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And the third will be, I'm going to give you two books.
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It's John MacArthur wrote a book titled Saved Without a Doubt, and it's understanding if
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you've actually truly been born again, and if not, what to do about it.
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The second is New Life in Christ by Steve Lawson.
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These are wonderful resources for self-examination, assuring that you're not stuck in religiosity
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or churchianity, but you're actually a born-again believer.
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And I hope these resources will be helpful for you in your edification.
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And I hope this episode was helpful for you on bringing some sort of biblical clarity
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to the balance between the grace of God, the truth of God,
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and how we should be thinking of situations of fallen Christian leaders in our day.
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