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00:00:38.780conversation is an important conversation about the origin and the existence of evil in the world.
00:00:46.280Many people have asked this question, why is there so much evil? Why does God permit so much
00:00:54.400pain and suffering. And we're going to be answering the specific question from someone
00:01:00.100who asks, Pastor, I never know what to say when I hear someone state that they don't know if God
00:01:08.140exists because of all the suffering and evil in the world. Does the problem of evil defeat
00:01:14.680Christianity? What should I say to those who think it does? Now, this is obviously a complex question,
00:01:22.060and I'm going to offer the most simplified answer I can. But even then, it is still a
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00:03:48.320to this question, and I'll read it again. He says, Pastor, I never know what to say when I hear
00:03:54.640someone state that they don't know if God exists because of all the suffering and pain and evil in
00:04:00.860the world? Does the problem of evil defeat Christianity? So this is most often phrased
00:04:09.600in my experience, how can a loving God allow such evil to exist? That is, how can the God
00:04:18.380of the Bible, this all-powerful, sovereign, righteous, loving, and good God exist if his
00:04:28.000creation is overwhelmed with war and divorce and murder and tragedy and death. In other words,
00:04:36.200how can these two realities coexist with one another? Because if God is so good, then why
00:04:41.820is there so much evil? And if God is in control, then why is there so much chaos? But more
00:04:47.580importantly, if God is omniscient and omnipotent and omnipresent, then why does he not intervene
00:04:54.980and eliminate evil altogether? Now, these questions plague the minds of not only atheists,
00:05:02.940but agnostics, religious skeptics, but also Christians. The complexity of these questions
00:05:10.840revolving, I should say, really revolves around the origin and the presence of evil. It's actually
00:05:19.800been called the Achilles heel of Christianity, namely that these issues are somehow the central
00:05:27.240location of vulnerability for the Judeo-Christian theological system. Now, I agree that these0.99
00:05:35.860questions are not easy to answer. St. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Edward, Sproul,
00:05:43.520MacArthur. They've all put enormous intellectual and spiritual effort toward these questions.
00:05:50.500And you know what? They still have not come to a conclusive and final answer. Now, that said,
00:05:59.380this does not mean that we don't have sophisticated and biblically supported explanations. We do.
00:06:06.700It simply means that there are still mystery behind elements of this discussion.
00:06:15.320For example, in speaking to the origin of evil, theologians often call it the mystery of iniquity.
00:06:24.240And the attempts that we've made throughout church history to understand the origin and the existence of evil without compromising the righteousness of God is called theodicy.
00:06:35.480And this is an English word that's made up of two Greek words, theos, which means God
00:06:39.960in Greek, and dikaios, which means righteousness in Greek, or righteous.
00:06:45.360And basically what I'm saying is that a theodicy is a defense of God's righteousness.
00:06:52.920This podcast is really a micro-theodicy and a brief Christian explanation for the righteous
00:07:01.780presence of evil, pain, suffering within the biblical worldview. And I want you to catch that.
00:07:08.340I said it's a righteous presence of evil, pain, and suffering within our biblical worldview.
00:07:16.740So when God first created the world, there was no present evil. There was no pain or suffering
00:07:24.740because there was no sin. And sin, which is the cause of evil, okay, so hear that. Sin,
00:07:32.060which is the cause of evil, is also the cause of death. Now, death, by definition, is separation.
00:07:40.880Okay, in the Garden of Eden, in Genesis chapter 3, moral sin caused humanity to be separated from
00:07:49.700God. That is, we died spiritually. So I want you to grasp that concept of separation. Death is
00:07:56.340separation. So in the garden, we sinned, or Adam sinned, and caused humanity to be separated from
00:08:04.800God. And we died spiritually. And this is why Ephesians 2.1 tells Christians that we were dead
00:08:11.600in our trespasses and sins. It's also why the Bible repeatedly states that Christians have to0.74
00:08:18.580be born again or been made alive in Christ. I mean, we have to be born again in the Spirit,
00:08:26.920right? And we have to be made alive in the Spirit because we have been separated from God. We have
00:08:34.480died and been separated from God. Now we need to be born again or made alive in Christ. That is
00:08:41.500that God spiritually resurrects his children. And he does that through regeneration and repentance
00:08:48.900and faith in Jesus Christ. Now, moral sin is also the cause of physical death, which separates our
00:08:58.220soul from our body. And without repentance of faith in Christ, the Bible actually tells us
00:09:03.040that we will experience a second death. You can see that in Revelation 2.18, where our souls will
00:09:10.100be eternally separated from God. But the effects of sin and evil actually go much further than
00:09:19.860death and separation. They also include metaphysical evil, which is like natural disasters,
00:09:29.340storms, tornadoes, hurricanes, physical evil, such as disease and decay and sickness.
00:09:40.100demonic evil, such as possession and temptation. The reality is, and we all know this,
00:09:47.620is that we live in a sin-ridden, evil world. Now, the next question is, what is evil?
00:09:56.080And this is an important question. What is evil? We need to realize that evil is not
00:10:00.600an independent being or force. Evil is more like a parasite. It only finds expression0.98
00:10:11.080when it's connected to a host. R.C. Sproul once said, evil does not exist as an autonomous
00:10:19.360entity, but it is an action of something that does exist. You know, basically what he's saying
00:10:28.240is that evil on its own doesn't exist. It needs to attach itself to an entity in which sin can
00:10:36.200occur, which evil will find its expression. Now, even though evil does not exist in and of itself,
00:10:43.840the effects of evil do exist in and of themselves. And there's even an additional factor that needs
00:10:52.220to be stated. Not only does evil require a host, but it also requires its acts to be taken upon
00:11:00.340the backdrop of good. And what I mean by that is without good, you cannot categorize an action as
00:11:08.640evil. So again, evil, which is the result of sin, is first dependent upon an entity like a parasite,
00:11:19.060And second, it's dependent upon the existence of good.
00:11:24.180For example, murder cannot exist without an entity willing to impart death upon an innocent party
00:11:32.120and a moral law claiming that innocent life should not be taken.
00:11:38.360Okay, now we have somewhat clarity on the question, what is evil and kind of the forms of evil
00:11:47.160and the presence of evil, and these things are helpful for us as we're having this discussion
00:11:53.920and getting to the point of, you know, why is evil here and what's its purpose. The next question
00:12:00.060that needs to be answered is regarding the origin of evil. And, you know, since evil is the result
00:12:06.540of sin, where did sin come from? Romans 5.12 states that sin entered in by one man, Adam.
00:12:20.220That is that sin was not invented by Adam. It didn't start with Adam, but it entered into the
00:12:29.560world by his disobedience. This means that prior to Adam's fall, sin was already present
00:12:37.960in some capacity. And we know this because Adam and the fallen angels before him had the
00:12:45.680inclination to sin, and you cannot be inclined towards something that does not exist. C.S. Lewis
00:12:54.660understood this concept when he wrote his book, Mere Christianity. And I quote,
00:13:00.300creatures are not born with desires unless satisfaction for those desires exists. A baby
00:13:08.400feels hunger. Well, there is such a thing as food. A duckling wants to swim. Well, there is such a
00:13:14.380thing as water. Men feel sexual desire. Well, there is such a thing as sex. If I find myself0.53
00:13:21.280a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy. The most probable explanation
00:13:26.860is that I was made for another world. Now, obviously, Mr. Lewis is using this example
00:13:35.440of saying, if we have a desire for heaven, then it must exist. It's a beautiful argument.
00:13:40.400But in our case, talking about Adam, Adam felt the desire to sin because the possibility of sin
00:13:49.420already existed. And this destroys the weak Arminian arguments of man that man initiated,
00:14:02.520that Adam initiated sin by his free will to disobey. This doesn't answer the question about
00:14:09.420the origin of evil. It only answers the question of who was the first person to sin.
00:14:13.980now i do believe however that adam did choose to or to disobey but i believe that his choice to
00:14:25.560disobey though it was made without compulsion by god was foreordained by god to occur and we know
00:14:34.840this because the scriptures of acts 223 428 first peter 120 explicitly teach that the cross of
00:14:43.020Christ, the crucifixion of Christ was foreordained before the foundation of the world. Therefore,
00:14:51.020the fall of Adam that took place after the foundation of the world was a necessity for
00:14:57.020not only God's plan of redemption, but also if we're to find our theology in alignment with
00:15:03.520the rest of the scriptures. In addition to this, the Bible is saturated with scriptures like