Dale Partridge - Real Christianity #40： Is it Okay For A Pastor to be Rich？

00:00:00.660 Welcome to another episode of Real Christianity. Today we are talking about...

00:00:06.380 Is it okay for pastors to be rich?

00:00:08.700 Important conversation. I think a lot of Christians are wondering,

00:00:12.020 what are the expectations for pastors?

00:00:14.980 What are the expectations for money in the mature Christian?

00:00:20.700 And we've done episodes about money before in the context of marriage,

00:00:27.340 But we wanted to tackle this, I think, from a different perspective.

00:00:30.720 So that's what we're talking about today.

00:00:32.380 Veronica will open us up in a second.

00:00:35.000 A few things before we get started.

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00:01:08.580 on that note let's dive into the conversation. Alrighty so earlier this week Dale had actually

00:01:16.280 showed me an instagram account that has recently popped up and it's going viral and it's called

00:01:21.720 preachers and sneakers which basically highlights all of these mega church pastors wearing incredibly

00:01:27.860 expensive shoes or clothing um and now i think the value of this account which could easily turn

00:01:33.840 dark and divisive is in keeping pastors accountable keeping pastors accountable to the word of god

00:01:39.880 yeah um james 3 1 warns pastors my brethren let not many of you become teachers knowing that

00:01:46.300 we shall receive a stricter judgment um and dale and i know this verse pretty well we've we've gone

00:01:53.120 over it quite a bit um because we're we're even trying to manage not just our own wealth but how

00:01:59.920 it's stewarded and given and perceived by those who follow us um and what some people don't

00:02:06.260 actually know is that Dale and I came out of the entrepreneurial business space, uh, where we own

00:02:11.700 several large companies and we, you know, for a while we're making great money doing it for many

00:02:17.220 years. Yeah. A lot of people that just joined in on our podcast think that maybe we've been doing

00:02:21.960 ministry for years and years and years. This is actually quite new. We came from the business

00:02:26.580 space and, um, sold companies and went into full-time ministry, not even two years ago.

00:02:33.340 Right. So, yeah. And then, and in that time we had become, you know, in the time of us running and operating those businesses, we had become debt free. We paid off our house, um, paid off our car. We acquired a few small rental units. Um, and so we were trying to steward that, those finances well. Um, but in, like Dale said, in 2017, we sold our company, um, along with our income with it.

00:02:59.800 We no longer have that income and went into full-time ministry.

00:03:04.540 We now live on a modest monthly income supported by the donors to our ministry.

00:03:10.160 Yeah. And so this is just important context to have when we talk about this because I'm a pastor.

00:03:15.220 And so I'm trying to come at this level-headed and not just looking out, but also looking in on our own example.

00:03:23.860 And, you know, without knowing this history about us, that we were in the business space and that we had several companies, some of which that had, you know, 50 employees.

00:03:35.800 And, you know, you could think that our property and our film studio and our backhouse, the things that you might see on Instagram stories, you might think that we're living large on everybody's donations.

00:03:46.060 But that that's not that's not the case. That's not what's happening here.

00:03:49.940 Yeah, we actually had all this paid off before we even went into ministry.

00:03:52.940 Yeah, exactly. And we are trying to, again, be transparent and live on a modest budget that I think like the average person in our area would live on.

00:04:07.980 The point is, as a pastor, I have to be very careful how my life is being perceived by those who follow me as I follow Christ.

00:04:18.080 You know, that's what the shepherd does, right? Follow me as I follow Christ.

00:04:20.940 So I have to be really careful about that.

00:04:23.140 And I think that's kind of the heart of this issue, of this conversation today, is just being careful.

00:04:30.220 And I'm an under-shepherd of Christ.

00:04:33.540 That's really the position that I hold as a pastor.

00:04:37.060 And we serve a God who chose to be born in a barn instead of being born in a palace.

00:04:42.100 We've got to remember those things.

00:04:43.360 2 Corinthians 8, verse 9 says,

00:04:45.720 For you know that the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for our sakes he became poor, that you through his poverty might become rich.

00:04:55.700 Now this is talking about eternal wealth here, but the idea is that this is like the theme of Jesus.

00:05:02.360 We know that Jesus did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many.

00:05:10.280 So there's this generosity element, this very meek element, humble element of Jesus.

00:05:17.000 And we know that Jesus didn't have anywhere to lay his head.

00:05:20.780 And so there's all these elements that talk about Jesus's perspective on how he lived.

00:05:26.600 And it would be pretty absurd to put together an argument that Jesus lived a luxurious lifestyle.

00:05:31.040 Like that's definitely not something that I think you could really put together.

00:05:36.300 Yeah.

00:05:36.720 Through scripture.

00:05:38.000 Yeah.

00:05:38.140 Yeah, and so Dale and I are actually still really growing in this area.

00:05:42.380 We really want to be sure we're not living an excessive or lavish lifestyle, but why?

00:05:48.860 Is it sinful to enjoy luxury once in a while?

00:05:52.040 No, not at all.

00:05:53.560 Is it sinful to have a nice house?

00:05:56.280 No.

00:05:56.960 The real issue, it all just comes down to the heart.

00:05:59.680 Yes.

00:06:00.080 Where's your heart?

00:06:01.200 And Dale and I really look at any privilege or liberty we might have in our family through the lens of 1 Corinthians 8 and 9.

00:06:08.140 um and in these chapters paul shares the doctrine of our love for the the doctrine of our love for

00:06:13.900 others and how it can often be limited or limit our liberties or privileges yep and when we say

00:06:20.360 like nice house we're going to talk about like those are relative words like oh nice house that

00:06:25.400 could be your 20 000 square foot house or that could be your you know 1600 square foot house

00:06:30.480 in downtown like we're going to talk about that because nice is relative and it's important to

00:06:35.660 kind of bring clarity to those words um you know what veronica's talking about in first corinthians

00:06:41.160 chapter eight and nine it's this idea again of of our love for our brothers and sisters in christ

00:06:47.760 will limit our liberties if our liberties let's just say drinking a glass of wine watching a

00:06:55.800 certain movie um driving a luxurious car if those liberties might possibly make another brother or

00:07:04.400 sister stumble or view christ in a manner that's inconsistent with the scriptures and so we we want

00:07:11.920 to limit those liberties even if they're totally you can do those things like the scriptures don't

00:07:15.660 condemn those things uh necessarily in their own right but we'll limit those things if there's any

00:07:22.580 chance that it might stumble a brother or sister um ultimately just because we can do something

00:07:32.100 doesn't mean that we should do something, and that's the mature question asked. Just because

00:07:37.420 we can doesn't mean we should, and I think Paul wraps this concept up really nicely,

00:07:42.860 and it's in 2 Corinthians, I believe. I didn't write down my reference point, but here, but it

00:07:47.980 says, all things, no, it's in 1 Corinthians. He says, all things are lawful for me, but not all

00:07:53.900 things are helpful. All things are lawful for me, but not all things edify or build up. Let no one

00:08:00.660 seek his own but each one the other's well-being and so it's just again like just because you can

00:08:07.540 doesn't mean you should it's not something that you know um it's it's really a deep maturity

00:08:14.580 heart issue yeah so let's get back to the question is it okay for pastors to be rich

00:08:21.480 um dale's actually put together a biblical argument that i think frames this question

00:08:26.380 correctly and we'll focus on the root issue and not the surface result yeah because i don't want

00:08:32.120 to talk about like is it a sin to wear gucci shoes on stage like that's not what we're talking about

00:08:37.020 um so i have a couple points i want to make and then we'll close up it'll be a maybe a shorter

00:08:43.560 show i don't know um we'll see we'll see yeah uh so first off um it's important to realize that

00:08:50.860 it's not a sin to be wealthy like it's not a sin to be wealthy so we got to just get some things

00:08:55.820 off the table. Just like we see the prosperity gospel deceiving people to believe that riches

00:09:02.820 are God's favor in someone's life, I've actually seen the opposite, which I call the poverty

00:09:08.400 gospel, when people seem to view a Christian to be more holy if they're poor. And again, I'm going

00:09:18.320 to bring a lot of clarity on this here. So, you know, if you know me, I'm far from a prosperity

00:09:23.060 teaching perspective. But the truth is, historically speaking, there have been both

00:09:31.380 holy, righteous men and women who have been both wealthy and poor. Now, you know, my experience is

00:09:41.920 that the majority of those people are the great saints of past were actually impoverished. They

00:09:49.500 were poor. And so there's something just to note with that. And I don't think it's because these

00:09:55.120 people were unskilled that they were poor. I think most of these people were servants and had chosen

00:10:01.020 to live a life of little, mostly for the reason to avoid anyone doubting their intentions,

00:10:08.680 anyone doubting that they're telling the gospel for money or that they're discipling for money.

00:10:13.740 um and uh you know paul does this with the corinthians in chapter 9 he says this line

00:10:20.820 nevertheless we have not used this right he's talking about uh the right to receive money for

00:10:27.380 the services of sharing the gospel or being a pastor in their life he says nevertheless we

00:10:33.740 have not used this right but endure all things lest we hinder the gospel of christ like he's

00:10:40.240 Saying, I don't want you to ever think that I'm preaching the gospel for money.

00:10:47.020 So therefore, I'm not going to even exercise my right to be paid for serving you in this manner.

00:10:52.880 I don't even want your money.

00:10:53.900 Just so it brings no doubt to you thinking that I'm in this for money.

00:11:01.180 That's Paul's stance there.

00:11:02.600 Now, he does receive money from other churches, but the Corinthian church, he chose to do that because it was a stumbling block for them.

00:11:10.240 Um, the second thing we need to realize is that our money and possessions are not disconnected from our relationship with God.

00:11:19.220 We like to think that there's these, like, private, off-limit areas, um, and money's definitely not one of those, those areas, um, that, that kind of escaped God's jurisdiction.

00:11:30.400 That's definitely not true.

00:11:31.880 Um, the Bible actually speaks more about money and possessions than, I think, almost any other topic.

00:11:36.680 There's, like, 2,300 verses on money and possessions.

00:11:39.260 that's more than like the Bible's added up combined verses on faith love and prayer

00:11:47.040 and so it's a big deal and so God talks about what he cares about and if we just look at emphasis

00:11:54.260 alone um uh we should just realize that the topic of money and possessions is something we should

00:12:01.640 take seriously the Bible talks about it a lot so therefore we should probably adopt and learn and

00:12:06.400 understand the Bible's perspective on that. Um, the third thing is, uh, that we don't see

00:12:12.660 scripture rebuking people for just simply being wealthy or rich. Um, but we do see scripture

00:12:20.200 absolutely warning Christians about the deceitfulness of riches, um, to be modest in

00:12:29.200 their appearances, uh, or using, uh, usage of that to be wise in their stewardship and to be generous. 0.76

00:12:36.400 And so those are things that we absolutely see and need to talk about some more.

00:12:41.520 But the question that we're talking about today isn't, should Christians be rich or wealthy?

00:12:47.300 It's, should pastors be rich or wealthy?

00:12:49.620 And I want to make a distinction here that's critical.

00:12:52.540 You know, Veronica read this verse earlier, James 3.1,

00:12:55.260 My brother, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.

00:13:00.080 Sometimes people think that it's talking about stricter judgment just from Christ.

00:13:04.060 I don't think that's what it's saying

00:13:06.720 I think that it's saying stricter judgment from the body

00:13:09.360 like people are going to be looking at you

00:13:11.760 and talking about you

00:13:13.080 and evaluating you

00:13:14.240 and examining you

00:13:15.260 and we know that

00:13:16.260 we're in ministry

00:13:16.780 we have lots of people asking those questions to us

00:13:20.300 now biblically speaking

00:13:23.240 there's a difference between someone who has a pastoral gifting

00:13:28.240 and someone who's sitting in a pastoral office

00:13:31.380 and so I want to just draw that distinction

00:13:34.180 you might think somebody's a pastor

00:13:36.340 but they really don't have any authoritative power

00:13:38.640 over a flock of people

00:13:40.960 they might have a pastoral gifting

00:13:42.680 but someone who actually holds an office of pastoral

00:13:46.680 like that's what they

00:13:48.200 not just even just like what they do for a living

00:13:50.580 but I'm talking about

00:13:51.480 they have a shepherd

00:13:52.920 or they have a flock of people

00:13:55.360 that they are spiritually overseeing

00:13:57.640 their development

00:13:59.040 and protecting and guiding and feeding those people.

00:14:03.420 And so for those folks that are walking that rollout,

00:14:09.780 there's actually, they're held to a higher set of standards in Scripture.

00:14:15.600 We actually talked about this a couple episodes ago,

00:14:17.640 but you can actually find those standards in Titus 1 and 1 Timothy chapter 3.

00:14:23.820 And people say, oh, that's for the elders.

00:14:26.300 Well, the word elders is really the same word in the scriptures for shepherd and pastor.

00:14:31.700 And so if you're in the office of pastor, I'd say you should be looking at those qualifications in 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1 and going, checking those boxes, making sure that those are true in your life.

00:14:42.420 And one of those standards is that you're blameless, meaning that you don't have any like opportunity for accusation.

00:14:53.660 That you're like above reproach.

00:14:55.940 You're really like living a life trying to avoid people misinterpreting something that you did.

00:15:05.900 Like you're so above reproach.

00:15:08.000 And then the second thing is that to not be greedy about money.

00:15:11.100 And so that's a really critical part about what a mark of a mature, godly man, pastoral man is to be.

00:15:20.040 um and so but again there's no biblical mandate that pastors can't be wealthy like let's just

00:15:28.360 say that you're a pastor of a small church and um you're a faithful man and all of a sudden

00:15:36.000 you inherit two million bucks is that person sinning now no let's just say that you're a

00:15:43.540 pastor and you have a book deal that comes up and it just goes bonkers and you make a million dollars

00:15:49.620 Is that sinful?

00:15:50.580 No.

00:15:51.960 The management, the poor management of that money absolutely could be sinful.

00:15:56.860 And as I said earlier, if a pastor is wealthy because of whatever success they have had financially, they should be wise stewards of that wealth, very generous with that wealth, modest with that wealth.

00:16:17.860 which is I think the bigger problem we're going to talk about today on this issue

00:16:21.480 and on guard for the deceptiveness of that wealth and I've never met a man who or family who had

00:16:30.860 all four of those components and was I worried that they're gonna let their their money take

00:16:39.080 over their life and we have good friends that make great money incredible money they're blessed

00:16:44.940 in money they are incredibly generous they are always on guard about the deceitfulness of riches

00:16:52.860 they are wise stewards with their money and they are incredibly modest you would never know

00:16:59.620 that they're wealthy and they walk out pastoral ministry um and so i think i want to close this

00:17:08.760 as veronica is going to get started here in a second is you know how we handle our material

00:17:12.700 wealth is a barometer of our spiritual health and so if someone isn't generous isn't modest

00:17:23.600 with their money um you know isn't recognizing the deceitfulness of those things um you know

00:17:32.080 isn't um what's the other what's the fourth thing that i'm looking for here um modest on guard

00:17:40.640 uh generous there's one more i thought though oh and isn't a wise steward

00:17:46.100 then man that that's not a spiritually mature brother it might they might be gifted

00:17:51.620 and i think that's what's going on these megachurch pastors are we cannot

00:17:55.560 confuse spiritual giftedness with spiritual maturity because just because you're a fantastic

00:18:02.800 communicator and you have a lot of bible knowledge it actually doesn't mean that you're spiritually

00:18:07.740 mature um maturity is something that's much much deeper and hard harder to evaluate um i'll close

00:18:15.460 with just the first timothy 6 10 verse that says for the love of money is the root of all kinds of

00:18:20.280 evil now the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil um the love of money for which

00:18:26.000 some have strayed from the faith in their greediness and pierced themselves through with many

00:18:30.580 sorrows I think a really good lesson that we heard from one of our friends um he's a

00:18:38.020 not a pastor um the president of a well-known non-profit um out in New York and he one time

00:18:44.540 told us uh perception is reality to many people therefore as leaders and shepherds for Christ we

00:18:50.660 must also manage perceptions and he gave us a few examples that I thought were really helpful

00:18:55.940 one of them being um i remember him saying i can drive i can drive a fifty thousand dollar volvo

00:19:01.940 but i cannot drive a thirty thousand dollar mercedes and uh this guy also has a lot of

00:19:08.120 famous designers who donate their clothing to him um but he actually requests that they remove all

00:19:13.860 of the labels and all of the tags that can be seen publicly um so that people cannot attach

00:19:19.780 a uh like a financial value or right yeah monetary value monetary value to his to his clothing um

00:19:27.420 so again looking back at these megachurch pastors who are wearing two thousand dollar shoes while

00:19:33.020 they preach or a thousand dollar gucci belt or you know fifteen hundred dollar burberry pants

00:19:38.800 um what can we learn from this yeah so this is i think the the point of the discussion is what do

00:19:45.520 I don't want to give you my opinion.

00:19:47.580 I just want the Bible's perspective on these things.

00:19:51.460 I think pastors need to be very careful about what their example teaches others.

00:19:58.120 We're shepherds.

00:19:59.960 And so our sheep are looking at us and trying to modify their lives to follow us as we follow Christ.

00:20:08.060 I mean, Paul even says, like, behave like me, follow me, follow my example, is what he says.

00:20:16.420 And so we need to realize how our example actually teaches people, not just what we say, but how we conduct ourselves.

00:20:26.440 And, you know, are our examples teaching others that spending their money on luxury items is wise?

00:20:34.020 um are they causing their flock to be envious or um resemble the culture you know you look at

00:20:42.820 some of these pastors and they have these really expensive cars and really expensive

00:20:47.020 airplanes and really expensive clothing like i would assume that causes envy in people

00:20:52.160 and so about going oh i want that like covetousness covetousness yeah there we go that's a better

00:20:57.920 word um are are is your example teaching your flock that your influence and authority comes

00:21:06.440 from the way you dress in the things that you wear the things that you have instead of by your

00:21:12.740 character in christ so we got to think about these things as pastors that's really important

00:21:17.540 secondly um i want to talk about the difference between luxury and functionality um this is a

00:21:24.140 really important distinction a toyota camry is functional a lamborghini is luxury um uh you know

00:21:32.240 sometimes people are just like hey it's their money you know again this is pastors don't get

00:21:38.280 to walk the same life that everybody else gets to walk we're literally in scripture called to a

00:21:44.440 higher set of standards um and i i've watched pastors that yeah buy lamborghinis it's wild to

00:21:51.520 me. A pair of $70 dress shoes from Macy's that you are your dress shoes because you only have

00:21:57.800 one or two pairs of them. You have brown ones and black ones and you wear them for, you know,

00:22:00.960 four years. That's different. That's a functional pair of shoes versus a $3,200 pair of Gucci

00:22:06.640 slippers that you wear and then you switch into your other shoes and your other shoes and your

00:22:11.620 other shoes. Even if they're given to you. Again, you're managing modesty. You're managing

00:22:16.740 perception you know a Patagonia or North Face jacket for where we live in the cold like it's

00:22:23.560 just functional technology yeah they're $200 jackets but they last for several years and at

00:22:29.280 the end of the day we want the technology that actually keeps us warm and and if we can get it

00:22:35.960 at Costco we will but which our Costco does sell Patagonia jackets yeah and so sometimes but you

00:22:42.720 You know, a $4,000 Armani snow coat is luxury.

00:22:47.980 And so a nice single-family home that, you know, is clean and it's put together is functional.

00:22:56.240 It can be nice.

00:22:56.960 It can have hardwood floors, whatever, you know, your thing is.

00:23:01.280 But like a 9,000-square-foot house for your four-person family that feels overwhelmingly grand when you walk in.

00:23:09.300 where people like walk in and immediately like whoa you know I think a pastor should really

00:23:17.720 not set himself above it's the opposite of what Jesus does sets himself below

00:23:22.300 and so people need to be able to walk in your home and go this feels like a normal house like

00:23:28.960 like my house or my my parents house or like the house I grew up in or you know like it's not

00:23:34.620 It could be beautifully designed, and it can be, you know, but it's modest in terms of you're not feeling like, whoa, I'm in a mansion right now, you know?

00:23:45.060 And so that's something that I just, for pastors, I want to be clear on.

00:23:53.080 You know, my point is that Christians can be centered on quality and functionality.

00:23:58.980 Just, I would be very careful for pastors, especially, to be centered on luxury.

00:24:04.620 And can you have nice things? Sure, that's between you and the Lord on what you want to do there.

00:24:11.320 um you know but having a you know buying a nice necklace for your wife on your 20th anniversary

00:24:17.120 is much different than buying flashy lavish consumer goods that have very little long-term

00:24:25.260 value like a shirt that's gonna like go away in a while you know where compared to like maybe a

00:24:33.020 nice gold necklace celebrating 20 years of marriage with your bride that that's a different

00:24:36.400 thing so again this takes wisdom and discernment and all of this there's no like right answer and

00:24:43.640 and you just got to understand some of these deeper things bottom line i want to say as we

00:24:49.540 close here is what is the heart behind you as a pastor or as a christian even wanting luxury items

00:24:56.780 like what's the heart behind that because there's really great quality stuff that isn't luxury and

00:25:04.140 that rest that money could be used to serving the poor or whatever it might be um are you trying to

00:25:10.260 seek approval or superiority um over your fellow man just to kind of set yourself above people

00:25:17.600 do you think that luxurious items somehow validate your leadership or authority like because i have

00:25:23.840 these nice brands and wealth maybe it makes me seem more or just to be accepted by your peers

00:25:29.000 Yeah. And a lot of these celebrity pastors are friends with celebrities. So maybe that's a thing. I don't know. As a Christian, do you really want your money and materialism to be what you used to motivate other people with?

00:25:47.600 like are you really like wanting to use that to be your motivator like bragging about your

00:25:54.380 wealth or your things is that how you want to really motivate people as a Christian

00:26:00.540 or do you want to motivate others with godliness and good character and humility and again remember

00:26:07.520 like I'm talking to like people in leadership mostly but even all Christians we should be very 0.66

00:26:12.440 careful around this um i said last episode that um you know the culture says if you got lots of

00:26:19.980 money you're standing on thick ice the bible says if you got lots of money be careful you're standing

00:26:25.480 on thin ice um so you know in my experience the most effective and godly wealthy people

00:26:33.080 that we know and we've got a chance to meet some incredibly wealthy people over the years

00:26:38.380 when we were in the business world veronica oh man should we tell veronica's story sure we should

00:26:43.960 it's one of my moments oh this is so funny guys you're gonna let i hope that he listens to this

00:26:49.080 episode oh my gosh um i don't even remember his name chad oh great chad i don't remember his last

00:26:54.640 name you don't need to say it don't say it um this guy who's a billionaire sold his company

00:27:01.020 to google for like a couple billion dollars several yeah several billion dollars i had no

00:27:05.620 idea who this guy was i knew he was wealthy and i i knew his story but i like i didn't know him

00:27:09.880 personally um and dill had a dinner we had had a dinner or something to go to with them um

00:27:17.840 for this business group that you were a part of and you i walked up and you're like oh hey chad

00:27:25.400 this is my wife veronica i was like oh hi nice to meet you and i he's wearing this really nice

00:27:33.080 you know clean pressed button-up shirt and I was like oh here you have you look so nice you have

00:27:38.860 a hair on your shirt like let me pull that off for you and I pulled it and it was attached to

00:27:44.640 his chest it was like one of his chest hairs poking through his shirt and I was like oh my

00:27:50.340 goodness I'm so sorry it was very funny it was pretty funny and he was totally gracious like

00:27:56.460 didn't care he laughed it off but i was pretty embarrassed and this guy gives money away to the

00:28:03.280 poor i mean this guy's an amazing amazing man i haven't i haven't talked to him in many years now

00:28:08.440 but um but i would still call him a friend and uh and what i'm saying here is that you know

00:28:14.460 these godly people that you that have wealth the people that we've seen in our experience

00:28:21.740 the ones we really appreciate or i don't want to say appreciate the ones that we just

00:28:26.240 go man that's incredible is that you never even know that they're that wealthy

00:28:30.640 you know they're a good example to follow they're a good example to follow they're humble

00:28:35.840 they're radically generous um they're modest they're reserved um it doesn't mean they don't

00:28:43.080 have like a nice house and you know those kind of things because they do but you just go just

00:28:49.360 the humility in it all that's the mark and and it's a journey for all of us it's a journey for

00:28:55.480 us you know we're we're coming out of the business world into ministry and we're even evaluating like

00:28:59.780 how much do we show how much do we give away like we're on our own journey here too and so

00:29:06.460 i'm gracious with even these pastors are on their journey and and um you know while i'm not going

00:29:13.880 to condone or say that man i would do that or i think that's okay um i think that it's something

00:29:18.920 that we just go hey you know they're on a journey i'm glad that this account that came up uh if it

00:29:24.100 stays healthy which i i don't know if it will um but but it does hold people accountable it's

00:29:32.860 holding them accountable to the public square of showing a problem like hey this is a little

00:29:37.080 bit off the bible says this you're supposed to be representing jesus and you're wearing thousands

00:29:41.320 of dollars of clothing um on stage and some of these guys are wearing like ten thousand dollar

00:29:46.240 outfits fifteen thousand dollar outfits and so it that's why we want to do the show i thought it was

00:29:52.320 a good a good conversation hopefully it was helpful and edifying um it was even edifying

00:29:58.460 to me when i was writing it so um i think that's it for today um i guess you have anything else to

00:30:05.440 say no okay um again if you guys haven't left a review this would be a great time to do that

00:30:11.620 just be able to go to itunes and just hit the stars that'd be a huge blessing for us

00:30:18.840 And again, you guys can watch this on YouTube and all the other places.

00:30:24.260 And thanks for supporting us and just being a part of our journey with us.

00:30:27.780 We're excited for just the season of life of walking through and teaching every single week.

00:30:34.220 It's a lot of work for us, but we are very excited to be able to edify you guys in the ways that hopefully it's helpful for you.

00:30:41.680 So thank you, and we will see you next.

00:30:47.140 And the day that this episode comes out is actually Dale's birthday.

00:30:50.260 Oh, dang.

00:30:51.640 So.

00:30:52.380 Well, look at that.

00:30:52.860 Go ahead and write in until I'm having a birthday.

00:30:54.280 Oh, dang.

00:30:54.800 Yeah.

00:30:55.100 34.

00:30:55.500 That's true.

00:30:56.000 34.

00:30:56.520 That's coming.

00:30:57.700 All right, guys.

00:30:58.440 Well, thank you guys so much.

00:30:59.300 We'll see you next week.

00:31:00.000 Take care.

Dale Partridge - April 10, 2019

Real Christianity #40： Is it Okay For A Pastor to be Rich？

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