Dale Partridge - May 01, 2019


Real Christianity #43: How Should Christians View Public Breastfeeding?


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00:00:00.240 Welcome to Real Christianity. Today we are talking about public nursing and understanding miscarriage. 0.87
00:00:07.080 Two very common questions that we get, and we are going to do just a Q&A today with just two questions.
00:00:16.040 And again, as Veronica said, we're going to talk about public nursing, which seems to be like a question you get a lot, right?
00:00:21.020 Oh yeah, I get this question multiple times a week.
00:00:23.700 And how are we supposed to view that? And what are we supposed to do according to the Bible?
00:00:28.100 what principle should we apply to that the second thing is understanding miscarriage I think the
00:00:33.000 miscarriage journey is something that more people experience than we even want to realize we've had
00:00:42.160 two miscarriages ourselves and so we thought it was important to answer this young lady's question
00:00:48.040 so these questions are I guess female oriented questions today but again I think they're really
00:00:54.200 great for the men to hear. A couple other things. We saw so many questions on a variety of different
00:01:01.560 topics that kind of just get asked over and over. So I wanted to reference a few episodes that we
00:01:05.620 already have answers for these episodes. If you're looking for how to motivate your husband to be a
00:01:12.400 spiritual leader, we did an episode titled how a wife can motivate her husband to be the spiritual
00:01:17.660 leader. And that's episode number four. And, uh, you can find that on YouTube. You can find that
00:01:24.080 on iTunes. Um, you could find that at ultimate marriage.com. You can find that wherever you
00:01:27.760 found this. Exactly. Uh, and we have another one, uh, which is off a common question about
00:01:33.560 how do I deal with the relationships with in-laws? Um, how do I create those boundaries,
00:01:39.460 healthy boundaries? And we did an episode called five biblical steps for handling holiday conflict,
00:01:45.320 which is episode number 23 that i think addresses that really well so just yeah that episode's
00:01:51.920 talking particularly about around the holidays but it definitely addresses the same issue yeah
00:01:56.080 things are just amplified at the holidays but it's a good uh it's a good answer for that question so
00:02:02.060 two episodes right there to help you on your journey on those two questions so we're going
00:02:06.540 to get started um uh before we get started real quick i forgot to announce or mention um reviews
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00:02:28.300 On that note, we will start.
00:02:30.060 Veronica will read us the first question that we received.
00:02:34.040 We're keeping these anonymous, so we're not going to say who asked them.
00:02:37.780 And she'll have her answer.
00:02:39.260 But yeah, like Dale said, I get this question probably,
00:02:42.220 on average about twice a week um so i knew we'd hit it sooner or later um so now is the time yep 1.00
00:02:49.500 um so first question in recent years there have been more and more women nursing their babies in
00:02:54.140 public without a cover this past sunday after church we were sitting on the lawn outside of
00:02:58.400 the sanctuary and i saw a young woman just pull out her breast and start nursing her child
00:03:02.420 it seemed improper to me what does the bible say about this okay so as dale referenced a couple of
00:03:08.820 other episodes we've actually done an episode on modesty before titled um how a mature how mature
00:03:15.460 christian couples view modesty and that's going to be on episode 12 if you want to go take a listen
00:03:19.140 to that um but the bible doesn't tell us exactly what men and women should wear or should not wear
00:03:25.880 as clothing the bible simply gives us principle the principle of modesty yeah um and if you've
00:03:32.180 been a listener a regular listener for any amount of time you'll know that um dale has mentioned in
00:03:37.380 several episodes that the bible gives us universal principles for local application yeah this idea
00:03:43.400 that we get all these principles like the lord's constantly given us in scripture these universal
00:03:48.560 principles but they're to be applied in your real life locally yeah so therefore the principle of
00:03:56.380 modesty comes from the scriptures but the details of the application of modesty comes from your
00:04:02.520 culture in your time period um for example the application of modesty is going to be different
00:04:07.340 in africa iran and america they're all going to be different um and i'm not saying that modesty is
00:04:13.580 solely determined by the culture that is not what i'm saying i think you could uh argue that the
00:04:19.480 scriptures support that it's never okay to just walk around naked for everyone to consume um that
00:04:25.160 would be i mean hey it's it's actually legal here it's yeah you can be completely naked here in
00:04:30.520 Oregon and walk down the street and there's nothing wrong with it there's there's things
00:04:34.880 that they do annual naked ride on their bikes and it's just we have to cover our children's eyes
00:04:40.720 it's terrible yeah but I think most people can agree that that's like scripture is not for that 0.63
00:04:46.160 yeah so um but what is something like breastfeeding in public what is that like um what is or how
00:04:53.440 should that be done um the short answer as with anything it should be done modestly um so
00:05:02.660 i personally with all three of our children i personally nursed all of my children in public
00:05:08.660 locations however i've always covered myself um with a blanket or you know burp cloth whatever
00:05:14.840 it is i don't know a blanket usually um and if for some reason i even felt uncomfortable or
00:05:21.140 whatever situation i was in even felt appropriate say we're a nice dinner at a restaurant in a
00:05:26.920 meeting or something i would even remove myself from there and go find a more private place to
00:05:32.700 nurse um but you may be thinking why why would you do that um well first i live in a culture 0.99
00:05:40.040 where breasts are sexual i think that there's no argument there that a bare breast uh in america
00:05:46.380 causes sexual arousement um secondly i'm not modest simply for my own benefit um i'm modest
00:05:53.840 for the benefit of others i'm modest because i would never want my body to cause another brother
00:05:59.720 to stumble in his purity um sure i can't control what other men are thinking or what they're doing
00:06:06.240 with their eyes but i can control my part in that both parties are responsible when it comes to
00:06:13.120 sexuality so uh for example i can't just walk into a park in my underwear and then get mad at
00:06:20.360 everybody for looking at me yeah right like i have a responsibility on my own part and so do they
00:06:26.020 um another point that we make in the modesty episode if you guys go back and listen to it or
00:06:31.120 if you've listened to it already you'll know that um we talk about young puberty age boys um and
00:06:37.960 girls could on you know nursing your child without a cover be a stumbling block for this 12 year old
00:06:44.980 boy who's already fighting to not give into pornography yeah or could it be teaching a 12
00:06:50.000 year old girl that her breasts are not private and can be shown in public for all to see
00:06:55.320 personally I also view covering myself as a sign of respect towards my husband
00:07:01.020 uh the scriptures say you know my body is not my own um in first corinthians chapter seven chapter
00:07:08.660 seven um but it's his too and even before it's mine and my husband's it my body belongs to the
00:07:16.460 lord as it says in first corinthians chapter six verse uh 19 through 20 and i have the scripture
00:07:21.580 here that i can read to you or do you not know that your body is the temple of the holy spirit
00:07:26.040 who is in who is in you whom you have from god and you are not your own for you were bought with
00:07:32.220 for you were bought at a price therefore glorify god in your body and in your spirit which are
00:07:37.720 gods so ultimately um i'm not looking for ways to prompt any type of sexual attention in fact
00:07:46.620 a godly woman should be looking for ways to protect herself from sexual attention yeah um 0.95
00:07:52.600 The only sexual attention a woman should desire should be from her husband. 0.99
00:07:57.540 And God calls us to be holy. 1.00
00:08:00.780 That word means separate. 0.91
00:08:03.240 He called the Israelites to eat different, to work different, to dress different, and to speak different. 0.99
00:08:09.160 And I know that nursing without a cover is more convenient.
00:08:13.120 I know sometimes our children don't like it.
00:08:15.640 But God doesn't call us to do the easy thing.
00:08:18.660 He calls us to do the holy thing.
00:08:20.260 bam that was like really i think clear on yeah so it's just um it's an important topic of this
00:08:31.080 culture of the american culture and the modern culture especially in warmer climates it seems to
00:08:35.920 be even more of an issue i remember when we went to hawaii i thought man i don't know if like
00:08:40.280 this would be difficult to live here as a man um just because of the sheer nakedness that's all the
00:08:46.460 time you know uh we grew up in southern california and it's similar there too it's similar there too
00:08:52.820 we actually made a determination that we wanted to raise our kids somewhere else because we didn't
00:08:56.100 want our daughters uh to be identified as their value with their body which is almost impossible
00:09:03.360 to get around in southern california um where everybody's half naked pretty much year round
00:09:08.620 and um yeah especially in the area where we lived yeah so modesty is just a big big conversation
00:09:14.500 that we need to have often i think the whole discussion can be wrapped up in two scriptures
00:09:18.480 about this um first corinthians 8 verses 9 it says but beware lest somehow this liberty of yours
00:09:26.220 becomes a stumbling block to those who are weak and so the bible tells us that we need to be
00:09:31.380 sensitive to the conscience of others um and even if they're permitted like these even if the
00:09:36.120 activity that you do is permitted in scripture let's just say drinking alcohol for example is
00:09:40.100 permitted um in scripture you know you're not allowed to be drunk but if you know you have a
00:09:43.780 glass of wine you're not going to find a scripture that's going to support that you can't do that
00:09:47.800 so it's permitted in scripture this this idea we need to limit our liberties to prevent
00:09:57.000 a stumbling opportunity for another brother or sister who's has a weaker conscience and that is
00:10:05.220 love when we actually sacrifice what we can do because of what because that ability or that
00:10:12.960 freedom or that liberty might actually stumble another brother or sister and that same thing
00:10:18.880 with modesty i mean ladies you have to know that the men of this culture are completely obliterated
00:10:27.720 by pornography i mean men everywhere are under attack constantly and they are full-blown addicted
00:10:37.980 in terms of looking at porn on a regular basis yeah and many women today too but this we're
00:10:43.480 obviously talking directly yeah and so you know you don't want to be a sexual prompt
00:10:48.180 in another man's life ever unless it's your husband and so i just say it comes from love
00:10:55.300 a modesty conversation and sure the application happens to be more on women in this situation but
00:11:02.340 this application of limiting our liberties for the love of others is something that all christians
00:11:06.960 men and women need to do the second scripture i think about is philippians 2 3 through 4
00:11:11.700 it says let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit but in lowliness of mind
00:11:16.240 let each esteem others better than himself let each of you look out not only for his own interest
00:11:21.540 but also for the interests of others and so we're called to just not do anything out of selfish
00:11:27.200 ambition like i'm here to do this and establish myself from this position of political thought
00:11:33.340 or whatever. Um, and I also need to not just consider me, but consider others. Um, and that's
00:11:42.100 a really important principle that we need to apply to this conversation. Yeah. Just, um, since you're
00:11:48.460 saying, you know, not just consider myself, but consider others. And then we also touched on
00:11:51.840 the, uh, young boys going through puberty type of age, but me thinking as a mom, I've got two
00:11:58.860 young children that are, you know, I've got three young children, but boys particularly that are
00:12:02.960 three and one uh almost two and i even now in their young age want to protect their purity 0.66
00:12:09.820 and if there is a woman uh nursing without a cover i try to distract them and don't want
00:12:17.080 them getting comfortable with that yeah it's it's a sacred thing uh sexuality is a sacred thing
00:12:22.620 it's connected to god and yeah i want to protect my son's purity even as young as they are yeah
00:12:29.080 And so it's something that, again, I think that, you know, a lot of women maybe have never heard this before.
00:12:37.340 So if this is you and you're concerned and you're like, oh, maybe embarrassed or convicted by the Holy Spirit on this, you know, praise God that the convictions come.
00:12:49.220 And it's not me convicting you or Veronica convicting you.
00:12:52.500 It's just what we're saying with scriptures teach.
00:12:54.600 The church, sadly, doesn't teach a lot on this topic.
00:12:57.980 And you get an opportunity at this point to go, okay, you can repent, you can change your behavior and never think about it again.
00:13:04.540 And just not be shameful, not be embarrassed about it, just move forward.
00:13:10.400 And the second thing is, if you're defensive on this conversation, like, no, I'm like, I'm not going to do that.
00:13:17.360 Like, I just want to ask you, well, one, what do you, like, why?
00:13:20.980 like get before the Lord and pray
00:13:25.020 and just ask the Lord why why am I feeling this way
00:13:29.320 why am I feeling defensive the New Testament
00:13:33.000 says be holy as he is holy and so
00:13:37.140 we have a call modesty is a pretty clear directive in scripture and so just something
00:13:41.160 to think about as you're on this journey question
00:13:44.800 number two I'm going to take but Veronica is going to read the question
00:13:48.240 um miscarriage pretty hard topic yeah okay next question about six months ago i had a miscarriage
00:13:55.240 then i hear the idea that god is sovereign so if god is sovereign did god take my baby
00:14:00.760 so i feel like we've been through some of these things thinking through them before i mean um
00:14:07.760 why don't you share a little bit about just the miscarriages that we've had yeah we've had two
00:14:11.540 miscarriages we've had um one right after aria well not right after but you know after her between
00:14:16.600 her and honor um and then we had one i don't know back in august um july august so not even a year
00:14:24.360 ago um and each experience was devastating it was hard um it was a really tough thing to walk
00:14:33.780 through um i would say the second one was probably harder on me emotionally than it was the first one
00:14:42.460 i'm not saying that's the case for everybody that was just for me personally um it was farther
00:14:47.540 along we were i think 11 i was 11 weeks 11 weeks that one yeah and uh my first one was at seven
00:14:53.520 weeks and yeah it was just hard it's hard physically because you have to you basically
00:14:59.040 go through you know not as intense but you basically go through labor and you pass the baby
00:15:03.420 um lord willing you know you can do that at home without intervention if you can um which i was
00:15:10.600 able to praise God um and so yeah you go through these physical pain um and you're bleeding and
00:15:19.220 it's emotional pain and it's traumatizing with no like reward in the end kind of thing um yeah
00:15:26.980 and I remember the first time uh I got the phone call you know we I was having I was bleeding and
00:15:34.400 we went to urgent care um they said it's a threatened miscarriage it's not a miscarriage
00:15:39.800 because their baby is still in there with a heartbeat but it's a threatened miscarriage
00:15:44.060 um anyway i ended up having a miscarriage um and they called to confirm that i don't remember
00:15:50.100 exactly this is you know five years ago four years ago um called to confirm it and i remember
00:15:56.260 hanging up the phone and crying and as i hung up the phone aria puked all over the floor i remember
00:16:02.540 that and so i'm like trying to grieve and bawl my eyes out but also care for my child who just 0.68
00:16:09.180 vomited all over the floor just felt like spiritual attack it totally did um and so that was the first
00:16:15.940 one and then yeah the second one was a few longer than a few months ago but in august yeah i think
00:16:22.120 a lot of um husbands really don't know how to handle this either you know just as a man the
00:16:27.960 first one i feel like i was just like i didn't even know what was going on i think the big change
00:16:30.800 for a man is that you um you have a plan as a man like you're the leader of your home you have a
00:16:38.260 vision man we're pregnant we're having another baby i'm planning i'm working i'm getting things
00:16:41.740 organized and then nobody changes your plans as a man like that's kind of like a thing that you
00:16:47.260 kind of your domain you know we're going somewhere and generally most generally yeah so to have that
00:16:52.500 kind of shift for me was a big thing of like going whoa like like someone slammed on the brakes and
00:16:58.080 changed directions yeah and i'm like okay lord like that wasn't what i expected and and um and
00:17:04.400 what a weird thing to happen and and then also i think for me you know not understanding of the
00:17:08.620 first one uh yeah i understand a lot more the second time around but the first miscarriage
00:17:13.580 just caring for you emotionally and uh i don't think i really clicked heavily with me in that
00:17:20.840 first time it was mostly like caring for you trying to understand it going theologically
00:17:25.900 and logical about the whole thing and trying to really figure it out the second one i kind of
00:17:30.600 i broke down a few times and started really understanding we had more children children
00:17:35.200 were older we'd gone through some pregnancy or some another birth um two more births and so it's
00:17:41.240 just a journey so ladies be patient with your husbands on on those things um because it is
00:17:46.040 different um they can't yeah you guys don't go through the physical side of it or necessarily
00:17:51.060 the emotional side because we feel the emotional side the day we find out we have a baby in there
00:17:55.900 yeah um where it takes men generally not all but a little bit longer uh time to grasp that concept
00:18:03.480 yeah so i put together a question or an answer to this question um i guess that was a preface
00:18:08.940 of our own story i'm gonna read the question one more time says about six months ago i had
00:18:12.160 a miscarriage then i hear the idea of the sovereignty of god um so if god is sovereign
00:18:16.160 um did god take my baby and i think that's a pretty common question i want to just give you
00:18:21.540 a theological argument of why God did not take your baby
00:18:25.840 that I think the scriptures support.
00:18:28.420 But I'm just going to explain it to you.
00:18:30.040 It might be a little bit heady in terms of just intellectual thinking.
00:18:34.140 But hang with me and try to,
00:18:37.300 I'll try to put it all together here in a minute.
00:18:40.600 So first off, I want to talk about this idea of sovereignty.
00:18:45.960 You know, and I'm looking at my notes here if you're watching the video.
00:18:48.300 We have to determine where God's sovereignty ends
00:18:51.460 and where human responsibility begins.
00:18:55.320 And this is a really important conversation
00:18:57.520 because we know we have free will.
00:19:00.120 So there is a point where God's sovereignty ends
00:19:03.020 and that human responsibility begins
00:19:04.680 because we do have free will.
00:19:07.160 If we didn't have free will,
00:19:08.200 then God would not be loving.
00:19:09.780 And I want to explain that.
00:19:11.360 Love requires choice.
00:19:14.120 It does.
00:19:14.720 It absolutely requires choice.
00:19:15.900 A choice to believe
00:19:17.120 or a choice to disbelieve in God.
00:19:20.140 A choice to come to Christ or a choice to leave Christ.
00:19:25.680 You know, if we don't have a choice in this world and we can't leave our relationship with God,
00:19:33.380 we're not in a loving relationship.
00:19:35.060 We're in a compliant relationship.
00:19:37.000 And God doesn't force himself upon us.
00:19:40.440 We get to choose him.
00:19:42.260 We get to be in relationship with him.
00:19:44.260 and so in order for love to get to exist choice must exist and we have to realize also that
00:19:55.280 for humans to have free will if we if we didn't have free will then there would be no sin in the
00:20:02.560 world because if we didn't have free will and sin existed then God created sin and your entire
00:20:08.000 theology on a holy God is gone so the idea is that sin is evidence that we do have free will
00:20:13.660 and so again i'm just going to connect this back to you guys here in a second
00:20:17.720 so why is this important to a conversation around miscarriage
00:20:21.140 uh we got to take god off trial for our miscarriage like we blame god he's on trial
00:20:29.540 you know um we do this with suffering like why am i suffering god why do you why have you done
00:20:34.340 this to me you know why are you taking this now there's a journey god says in the scriptures that
00:20:39.580 he disciplines those he loves um there's a distinguished difference between like conviction
00:20:44.260 and change and like inflicting illness or killing babies um in terms of the new covenant and
00:20:52.500 understanding there it's important that you understand that distinction um but we can't
00:20:58.080 blame god for what man and the enemy has done through free will okay we can't blame god
00:21:06.840 for what man has done with his free will.
00:21:11.340 We've created, through choice,
00:21:14.340 a world filled with sin.
00:21:17.160 We've rebelled against God.
00:21:18.680 This is literally the start, Adam and Eve,
00:21:21.360 the becoming of the need for the gospel.
00:21:24.160 We also know that Ephesians 2 says,
00:21:27.640 And you he made alive,
00:21:31.240 who were dead in trespasses and sins,
00:21:33.460 in which you once walked according to the course of this world,
00:21:35.480 According to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience.
00:21:42.060 So we know that there's evil in the world.
00:21:44.460 Like God has allowed evil to exist because evil cannot exist if good doesn't exist.
00:21:52.720 And I should say the other way around, good, in order for good to exist, evil must exist.
00:21:58.940 In order for love to exist, hate must exist.
00:22:02.900 These opposites are important.
00:22:04.280 You can't just have love because there's no alternative, then it's not love.
00:22:09.920 Love requires choice.
00:22:12.260 And again, this is really important.
00:22:15.240 And so in relation to miscarriage, did God's sovereignty take your baby?
00:22:20.660 No.
00:22:21.580 And that's the short answer.
00:22:23.940 The effects of sin in this world have literally altered the earth.
00:22:28.080 Okay, they've altered our bodies.
00:22:30.080 They've altered our health.
00:22:32.000 And they've altered our minds.
00:22:33.360 and this is sin has devastated the world
00:22:39.700 and that is why your baby miscarried
00:22:44.020 that is it's a result of a broken and fallen world
00:22:49.640 in a perfect world without sin
00:22:52.620 there is no miscarriage
00:22:54.060 there is no brokenness in that capacity
00:22:56.800 we again can't blame God
00:23:00.620 for the choices that men have made
00:23:04.260 and the sin that mankind has come up with
00:23:07.680 and the rule that the enemy has here.
00:23:11.380 And again, you can easily go,
00:23:13.200 well, gosh, Lord, why did you create a world that has sin?
00:23:16.680 It should have just been all loving, all good.
00:23:18.920 But again, that's why I explained before,
00:23:20.620 you can't have that world.
00:23:22.220 That world with just love isn't love.
00:23:26.320 It's compliance.
00:23:28.180 And so the beauty is that in order for love to exist, sin had to exist.
00:23:33.580 In order for good to exist, evil had to exist.
00:23:37.000 In order for love to exist, hate had to exist.
00:23:40.060 And so this is important, just kind of logical side of understanding God and putting this into correct perspective.
00:23:49.240 Yeah, so this sin is our enemy in this element.
00:23:52.780 The enemy is our enemy in this element.
00:23:55.320 God is not the enemy in this element.
00:23:57.260 God merely gave us the choice and we have all sinned and we know that that sin actually breaks
00:24:03.940 down our bodies we know that when we commit sexual immorality and we know that we we do
00:24:08.400 these things we think these thoughts it breaks us down um and this is why the gospel is here to
00:24:14.700 to save us from the spiritual power of sin it's to heal us from the disease of sin
00:24:22.260 2 Corinthians 4, 16 says,
00:24:24.680 Therefore, we do not lose heart,
00:24:26.080 even though our outward man is perishing,
00:24:28.280 yet the inward man is being renewed day by day.
00:24:31.120 Our bodies are falling apart. 0.99
00:24:33.480 Why are they falling apart?
00:24:35.480 Well, it's because of sin.
00:24:38.040 And when our bodies fall apart,
00:24:41.840 sometimes our baby's bodies fall apart.
00:24:45.320 And so there's a scripture here in Romans 8, 18 through 21,
00:24:49.340 I'm going to read.
00:24:50.200 It says,
00:24:50.300 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be received in us.
00:24:57.360 For the earnest expectation of creation eagerly awaits for the revealing of the sons of God.
00:25:01.860 For the creation was subject to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it in hope.
00:25:07.860 Because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
00:25:15.920 There's other scriptures that talk about that the earth even groans.
00:25:19.320 for redemption like sin has broken things down and so God's sovereignty in these things and man's
00:25:30.360 responsibility in these things and so there's those two things and we got to be very careful
00:25:35.180 that we don't blame God for the acts of man or blame God for the acts of the enemy and it's so
00:25:42.620 easy to do. I think I heard a really good statement and argument. Blaming God for the evil in the
00:25:52.220 world would be like blaming Henry Ford for all the car accidents that are in the world. Henry Ford
00:25:58.900 made the vehicles, but is it his fault that the car accidents were made? No, it's not. So it's
00:26:04.260 just an important way to look at that. But we're still left with lots of questions after a
00:26:08.620 miscarriage uh you know what caused the baby to die could we prevented it could we have prevented
00:26:13.540 its death i know women oftentimes like is it something that i did did i fall did i eat something
00:26:18.860 wrong or or whatever did i get not you know exercise too hard exercise too hard yeah exactly
00:26:23.840 um you know why did god surprise us make us you know excited about this and then shock us with
00:26:29.260 loss like why does god do these kind of things um but those questions i think only lead to anxiety
00:26:36.680 and frustration because we don't actually have those answers yeah we'll never know yeah and so
00:26:43.720 instead we get to cling to what we do know that has been revealed by God to us in the scriptures
00:26:49.800 and I want to talk about that for a second there's a scripture that Moses says he says
00:26:55.500 the secret things belong to God but the things revealed belong to us and our children forever
00:27:02.560 this is Deuteronomy 29 29 and I love that that the secret things they do belong to God and as
00:27:09.420 of right now we'll see things through a glass darkly is what it says in first Corinthians I
00:27:13.580 believe 13 and we just don't know everything the things that we do know are the things that the
00:27:19.040 Lord has revealed to us and there's no there's no fruitfulness in questioning and wondering all the
00:27:25.980 things that we'll never know and um you know we we do have a sovereign god and he's on our side
00:27:33.260 um but we got to remember in these moments that one day there is going to be a world
00:27:38.360 a new world with new creation with a new relationship between christ and his bride
00:27:44.120 with new bodies and um there's not going to be crying or distress there's not going to be any
00:27:49.280 more dying of babies or people taken too young um but there's only going to be flourishing there's
00:27:54.820 only going to be joy um you know every tear will be gone and for now we take comfort in god's
00:28:01.120 promises uh for now we get to know that he's there for us that he's sovereign um and that he holds
00:28:08.460 us up with his righteous right hand and this is the things that we get to lean on in moments like
00:28:12.540 this so it's a it's a difficult conversation it's very theological i think when you get into
00:28:18.480 suffering you have to kind of come to that like take god off trial did god cause this no we can't
00:28:28.280 blame god for the works of evil that's my main point yeah and i encourage you to even think
00:28:33.600 through that even before you enter a season of suffering because we're all going to suffer at
00:28:37.240 some point and totally um and battling through those thoughts and emotions in the midst of
00:28:44.260 distress in the midst of suffering in the midst of being overly emotional we did this is a lot
00:28:52.280 harder yeah we we we had to figure out like lord why do you have us here and it's really easy to
00:28:58.200 like i guess assign your struggle to like god's plan god works together all things for good for
00:29:05.500 those who love him and so he'll take your tragedy tragedies and turn them into triumphs we know that
00:29:11.940 but it doesn't mean that God caused the tragedy right and so we got to be real careful about that
00:29:18.520 and take God off trial in these moments and I love what Veronica said yeah you don't want to
00:29:23.700 have to search this after the cancer diagnosis you want to know these things about God before
00:29:32.160 and so whatever comes at you you can properly place the uh cause of it uh on sin and the enemy
00:29:41.760 and not have a doubt that it could ruin your faith um okay that was those are two questions
00:29:51.380 two questions for today um so weird to like exit out of a deep thing like that um and then come
00:29:58.400 into like oh hey but now we're gonna talk about something else um we finished the podcast section
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00:31:27.380 we wanted to ask you guys if our ministry has been edifying for you and your family um would you
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00:32:00.700 are just the questions people send in yeah and it's interesting you know when you do marketing
00:32:05.040 you know as a non-profit ministry we do marketing but like i don't know who needs
00:32:10.220 the things, I mean, not that everybody couldn't benefit, but there are certain people that need
00:32:15.720 this conversation about miscarriage. There are certain people that need the conversation about
00:32:19.720 how to care for young children. There's certain conversations that we talked about modestly that
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00:32:34.800 on that note um we thank you guys for taking the time to listen to this episode
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