00:08:20.260bam that was like really i think clear on yeah so it's just um it's an important topic of this
00:08:31.080culture of the american culture and the modern culture especially in warmer climates it seems to
00:08:35.920be even more of an issue i remember when we went to hawaii i thought man i don't know if like
00:08:40.280this would be difficult to live here as a man um just because of the sheer nakedness that's all the
00:08:46.460time you know uh we grew up in southern california and it's similar there too it's similar there too
00:08:52.820we actually made a determination that we wanted to raise our kids somewhere else because we didn't
00:08:56.100want our daughters uh to be identified as their value with their body which is almost impossible
00:09:03.360to get around in southern california um where everybody's half naked pretty much year round
00:09:08.620and um yeah especially in the area where we lived yeah so modesty is just a big big conversation
00:09:14.500that we need to have often i think the whole discussion can be wrapped up in two scriptures
00:09:18.480about this um first corinthians 8 verses 9 it says but beware lest somehow this liberty of yours
00:09:26.220becomes a stumbling block to those who are weak and so the bible tells us that we need to be
00:09:31.380sensitive to the conscience of others um and even if they're permitted like these even if the
00:09:36.120activity that you do is permitted in scripture let's just say drinking alcohol for example is
00:09:40.100permitted um in scripture you know you're not allowed to be drunk but if you know you have a
00:09:43.780glass of wine you're not going to find a scripture that's going to support that you can't do that
00:09:47.800so it's permitted in scripture this this idea we need to limit our liberties to prevent
00:09:57.000a stumbling opportunity for another brother or sister who's has a weaker conscience and that is
00:10:05.220love when we actually sacrifice what we can do because of what because that ability or that
00:10:12.960freedom or that liberty might actually stumble another brother or sister and that same thing
00:10:18.880with modesty i mean ladies you have to know that the men of this culture are completely obliterated
00:10:27.720by pornography i mean men everywhere are under attack constantly and they are full-blown addicted
00:10:37.980in terms of looking at porn on a regular basis yeah and many women today too but this we're
00:10:43.480obviously talking directly yeah and so you know you don't want to be a sexual prompt
00:10:48.180in another man's life ever unless it's your husband and so i just say it comes from love
00:10:55.300a modesty conversation and sure the application happens to be more on women in this situation but
00:11:02.340this application of limiting our liberties for the love of others is something that all christians
00:11:06.960men and women need to do the second scripture i think about is philippians 2 3 through 4
00:11:11.700it says let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit but in lowliness of mind
00:11:16.240let each esteem others better than himself let each of you look out not only for his own interest
00:11:21.540but also for the interests of others and so we're called to just not do anything out of selfish
00:11:27.200ambition like i'm here to do this and establish myself from this position of political thought
00:11:33.340or whatever. Um, and I also need to not just consider me, but consider others. Um, and that's
00:11:42.100a really important principle that we need to apply to this conversation. Yeah. Just, um, since you're
00:11:48.460saying, you know, not just consider myself, but consider others. And then we also touched on
00:11:51.840the, uh, young boys going through puberty type of age, but me thinking as a mom, I've got two
00:11:58.860young children that are, you know, I've got three young children, but boys particularly that are
00:12:02.960three and one uh almost two and i even now in their young age want to protect their purity0.66
00:12:09.820and if there is a woman uh nursing without a cover i try to distract them and don't want
00:12:17.080them getting comfortable with that yeah it's it's a sacred thing uh sexuality is a sacred thing
00:12:22.620it's connected to god and yeah i want to protect my son's purity even as young as they are yeah
00:12:29.080And so it's something that, again, I think that, you know, a lot of women maybe have never heard this before.
00:12:37.340So if this is you and you're concerned and you're like, oh, maybe embarrassed or convicted by the Holy Spirit on this, you know, praise God that the convictions come.
00:12:49.220And it's not me convicting you or Veronica convicting you.
00:12:52.500It's just what we're saying with scriptures teach.
00:12:54.600The church, sadly, doesn't teach a lot on this topic.
00:12:57.980And you get an opportunity at this point to go, okay, you can repent, you can change your behavior and never think about it again.
00:13:04.540And just not be shameful, not be embarrassed about it, just move forward.
00:13:10.400And the second thing is, if you're defensive on this conversation, like, no, I'm like, I'm not going to do that.
00:13:17.360Like, I just want to ask you, well, one, what do you, like, why?