Dale Partridge - Real Christianity #48： Do All Denominations Lead People to Heaven？

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00:00:59.980 This is episode number 48, and it'll probably be titled something about denominations because that's what we're going to be talking about today.

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00:02:33.660 why don't you tell us the questions that we're going to be tackling today? Okay, the first

00:02:36.780 question dale's going to be tackling and that's going to be will all denominations lead people

00:02:40.720 to heaven all righty and the next question that i will be answering is outside of reading my bible

00:02:48.980 and praying how can i mature as a woman of god so fun topics today yeah good questions i mean i

00:02:55.720 wanted to try to make them closely related um they're not super related they're church related

00:03:01.140 I guess. But let's tackle this one. Will all denominations lead people to heaven?

00:03:07.940 Good question. First, I'm only going to talk about the Protestant denominations. I'm not

00:03:14.700 going to get into the Catholic-Protestant conversation on this podcast. Bigger conversation. 0.96

00:03:19.960 Second, to bring some more clarity, is Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christian

00:03:26.700 denominations so for those that might be wondering these are actually cults and they have a wildly

00:03:35.180 different doctrine on salvation on end times the sacraments your relationship with god heaven all

00:03:43.160 these things and they're not christian doctrines they're not biblical doctrines these religions

00:03:49.440 actually you know i believe the enemy offers i say he has a blueprint for false religion

00:03:55.540 and Islam, Jehovah's Witness, and Mormonism all follow the same model of the Bible is corrupt.

00:04:05.400 Therefore, we need another book and another holy scriptures, quote holy scriptures, to ultimately follow. 0.98

00:04:15.860 And so the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormons and the Quran, they all do that. 0.94

00:04:21.600 The Bible is corrupt. Here's our extended holy scriptures to look at. 0.98

00:04:25.540 So those are very different religions than Christianity.

00:04:29.840 So I wanted to clarify that up for a second.

00:04:32.100 Now, so let's talk about the idea of a denomination.

00:04:35.420 Like think Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, right?

00:04:41.580 These are denominations in the Christian space under the Protestant umbrella.

00:04:47.820 And what is a denomination?

00:04:49.460 I think we need to understand what that is just like Webster Dictionary.

00:04:52.460 What is a denomination?

00:04:53.240 and it means to separate by class or identity, which the next question we have to ask ourselves

00:05:01.160 is, are denominations sacred? We should protect them, or are they sinful? We should reject them.

00:05:09.260 In other words, are they a good thing, or are they a bad thing for the church?

00:05:13.160 Now, there is a lot of opinions on this. I'm going to give you my opinion.

00:05:18.600 I'm not saying that it's absolutely right. I'm just saying this is just my opinion.

00:05:23.240 So denominations can actually be really helpful in bringing clarity to interpretation of doctrine.

00:05:32.060 So there's some value in terms of like, oh, like that's where you kind of draw your lines and your boundaries.

00:05:37.200 Like it's nice to understand that and it's very clear.

00:05:40.320 If you want to be a part of this denomination, you have to believe this set of doctrines.

00:05:44.120 So there's some value in that.

00:05:45.580 But I think that a lot of these denominations have been formed out of a sense of certainty or certainty of their interpretation or pride, even of like, man, this is absolutely right.

00:06:02.020 And actually, if you don't see it this way, you're wrong. 0.57

00:06:04.920 And sometimes if you don't see this way, you're actually a heretic.

00:06:08.720 And so it can get that extreme and divisive in terms of the conversation around denominations.

00:06:15.580 And know that I'm going to get back to the answer to this question,

00:06:18.700 but I wanted to give you guys some front-loading information about this.

00:06:22.120 Now, if we look at Jesus' opinion on how he wants his church to look,

00:06:28.440 this is a really important scripture.

00:06:30.080 It's John chapter 17.

00:06:31.920 It's verses 20 through 21.

00:06:33.740 This whole section is called the High Priestly Prayer.

00:06:36.940 And it's right before the Garden of Gethsemane.

00:06:39.440 He's getting ready to go to the cross.

00:06:42.520 and he is praying for his disciples

00:06:47.120 and then he actually prays for all believers.

00:06:49.340 So if you're a Christian,

00:06:50.680 he actually prays for you

00:06:52.520 in this passage of scripture

00:06:54.620 and he shows his heart

00:06:57.140 what he wants for his church.

00:06:59.100 And he says,

00:06:59.840 I do not pray for these alone,

00:07:01.880 these being his disciples,

00:07:04.300 but also for those

00:07:05.720 who will believe in me

00:07:07.360 through their word,

00:07:09.040 which is you and I,

00:07:09.840 that they all may be one, as you, Father, are in me, and I in you,

00:07:18.040 that they also may be one in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.

00:07:24.960 Okay, so Jesus wants his church to be perfectly unified.

00:07:29.980 That's just, he wants us to be one the same way that him and his Father are one.

00:07:36.060 He wants us to be one.

00:07:37.640 Now, why?

00:07:38.160 he actually says he tells us why because our unity in the church will actually be the vehicle

00:07:45.700 that convinces the world that God sent Jesus it's a pretty big statement a divided church

00:07:53.460 brings doubt that God sent Jesus but a unified church brings belief and confidence in the

00:08:01.700 message that we have. So it's really important to think about. Um, I actually heard a statement

00:08:08.940 once from a, um, I would say a cynic, someone who was mocking the church. He put out a meme

00:08:17.880 that said, um, something like the Bible is right. 500 denominations can't be wrong.

00:08:25.980 he's mocking the fact that we're divided upon the book and why should anyone else believe it if we

00:08:33.500 can't figure it out on our own so we got to be paying attention to to denominations and again

00:08:39.900 i don't think anybody's intention in the establishing of denomination is to be divisive

00:08:45.120 but we do have to look at the roots and the fruits that come from that um i think paul

00:08:51.520 continues this doctrine of unity that's important about denominations, then we'll get to answering

00:08:56.400 this question. 1 Corinthians chapter 1, 10 through 13. This isn't the doctrine on unity. This is Paul

00:09:03.980 teaching on the doctrine that Jesus laid down in John chapter 17. So he's just kind of reiterating

00:09:10.980 the same idea, but I'm going to read it for you. He says, Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name

00:09:15.380 of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among

00:09:21.000 you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has

00:09:26.340 been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe's household, that there are

00:09:31.560 contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, quote, I'm of Paul, or I'm of Apollos,

00:09:39.960 or I'm of Cephas, which is Peter, or I am of Christ. Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for

00:09:47.400 you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? Okay. So, uh, Paul is saying, dude, no, no, no,

00:09:54.000 no. First thing you got to be unified. Second thing is don't start creating denominations.

00:09:59.220 I follow Paulina theology. Oh, I follow Apollonian theology. Oh, I follow Peter and his theology.

00:10:07.820 Oh, I just follow Christ. Now you think that's the holy choice. That's actually not the holy

00:10:13.160 choice because what they're trying to do there is saying, I follow just Christ and not

00:10:17.260 his apostles. And that's kind of like, I'm only red letter, you know, anything else that's

00:10:23.560 not red letter, man, that's not for me. That's wrong too. God's word has been written by

00:10:30.460 these apostles and these men have been sent. And so we are to be, the apostle Paul's authoritative

00:10:35.860 tone throughout the scriptures is just as authoritative as Jesus's words. He's sent by

00:10:43.420 Jesus. And so he's saying, no, don't, don't create these, these divisions, these titled divisions

00:10:52.140 with names. The bottom line is that we need to be very, very careful to identify ourselves with

00:11:01.880 any other name than christian that's what we are we're following christ we're not following

00:11:05.880 martin luther which is the lutherans you know we're we're not um following john wesley the

00:11:13.680 wesleyans i mean these things really exist so um your loyalty to calvinism or to lutheranism

00:11:21.480 should not be more pronounced than your loyalty to christ and christianity and so um calvinism

00:11:28.740 more of a systematic theology versus a denomination but you you get what i'm saying there um now

00:11:34.560 very important point unity doesn't mean uniformity i'm going to say that one more time

00:11:42.640 unity doesn't mean uniformity uh meaning that we can actually have why is veronica smiling at me

00:11:49.920 she's laughing why so you mean like we don't all have to wear like the same outfit the same

00:11:57.980 exactly so i'm being guarded with what i'm actually thinking it's similar but well there's

00:12:05.420 lots of groups of christians that yeah you have to wear the certain things and say the certain

00:12:10.760 things and you know so unity doesn't mean uniformity there's actually um variety in the

00:12:18.980 body and it's actually really good it's a really good thing to have a variety in the body even

00:12:23.960 variety of interpretation of doctrine you're like we can actually work out uh the the scriptures

00:12:30.520 come and reason with one another we know in our church meeting i mean i might teach something and

00:12:35.900 how many perspectives do we get two or three other perspectives which is great because yeah

00:12:39.940 you're generally more of a uh truth deliverer you're very clear you um say things more i don't

00:12:47.720 know not sternly but you're just confident and directly direct yeah and so where we have other

00:12:54.080 men in the fellowship who are just more tender-hearted and soft and they totally align

00:12:59.640 with what you're saying but then they'll come in and bring their perspective and a little bit more

00:13:02.780 of a gentle approach or whatever it is and you guys are all saying the same thing um but you're

00:13:08.780 hearing different perspectives and i really do think that that brings a lot of clarity to the

00:13:12.960 other people in the fellowship when they hear that yeah because some people need to hear it directly

00:13:16.340 um the people that listen to this podcast you guys know that I'm a pretty direct teacher

00:13:20.660 um it can come off and I my heart is never for it to come off as prideful um but it can come off

00:13:28.000 that way uh my heart is really just to be direct and there's a certain part of the body that really

00:13:33.900 likes direct teaching I think Dave Ramsey is a great example some people really like Dave Ramsey

00:13:38.580 yeah he's pretty direct he's direct he's a coach and that's I mean in like oh yeah a lot of women

00:13:44.000 do like that more gentle side i'm personally more of just like give it to me straight type person i

00:13:49.120 like the direct but i do um i've heard from the women in our own body where they hear um the more

00:13:54.920 gentle men speaking up and be like oh i really liked that perspective it was totally where i'm

00:13:59.860 just like i mean i liked it for sure i'm not saying that but it was just um i don't like the

00:14:05.240 sugarcoating things sure tell me how it is yeah and some people are offended by dave ramsey and

00:14:11.360 his directness. Again, my heart, just so you guys know, if you ever think that I'm just being

00:14:16.840 prideful or not humble, it's not to be that way. It's really to just be clear and direct. And that's

00:14:22.820 the gifting I think the Lord has given me for the people in the body that seem to follow this

00:14:29.160 podcast. They like direct teaching. And I'm always working on trying to deliver that as best as

00:14:35.240 possible um now what we do need to remain unified on i always say uniform on like where we actually

00:14:44.200 do need to be exactly the same is the biblical gospel which is saved by grace alone through

00:14:51.360 faith alone by christ alone um and that's that's the core that that needs to that or that can't

00:14:59.860 change at any denomination level every christian denomination agrees on that that's saved by grace

00:15:05.540 alone through faith alone in christ alone okay that's that's the gospel message of the you know

00:15:11.760 again protestant group there because the catholics have a different perspective on that however

00:15:16.140 saved by grace alone through faith alone in christ alone we need to be uniform on that

00:15:20.560 so we can actually achieve unity even in denominations because we're unified on the gospel

00:15:26.780 even though we're not unified on oh this guy needs to be baptized some you know when he's older this

00:15:32.660 one needs to be baptized when they're younger this one needs to be baptized fully underwater this one

00:15:36.960 you know whatever the denominations have divided themselves i i would never identify myself with a

00:15:43.220 denomination i appreciate a lot of the teachings that come out of different denominations and we

00:15:50.080 have friends that are all a part of different denominations as well yeah absolutely yeah so

00:15:55.240 to answer your question you know at the end of this teaching on denominations will all denominations

00:16:01.480 lead people to heaven well it all depends on if they're presenting the biblical gospel or not

00:16:06.100 if they're presenting the biblical gospel then yes they will lead and um and if that one individual

00:16:13.260 person believes it exactly because just because you're part of a certain denomination doesn't

00:16:16.880 mean you're going to heaven yeah and that's the thing yeah will it lead people to heaven

00:16:20.380 um yeah so that's that's hopefully the core message and again i'm not saying that denominations

00:16:26.320 are sinful i don't necessarily know if they're helpful and i don't think you can align them up

00:16:31.080 with scripture um sometimes if you look throughout history and you really study church history

00:16:37.300 you might even look at them as necessary like almost like a necessary evil because of the

00:16:43.000 world we live in we are endeavoring to keep the unity of the spirit of the bond of peace

00:16:46.800 veronica's going to mention the scripture later um but it's just something that it might be

00:16:53.580 necessary because we need to draw lines of clarity of what uh what the biblical interpretation is

00:17:00.000 and again you know god's desire is not for us to be divided so we should be always going for

00:17:06.140 unity and to be very careful to labor ourselves by any other name except christ all right that's

00:17:12.580 my amen answer okay then let's hop into the next one um this question i mentioned earlier um outside

00:17:21.260 of reading my bible and praying how can i mature as a christian woman of god all right good question

00:17:27.100 um we get this question pretty often as well um so god offers three core ways to grow in our

00:17:34.180 relationship with him and you mentioned two in your question which was reading your bible and

00:17:38.160 praying. Um, those are definitely vital things. So seek those two first, because I don't want you

00:17:44.540 to, um, think that I'm not saying that because I'm going to mostly be having my answer directed

00:17:49.700 in a certain area. Definitely. Those are foundational things. Um, and then, yeah,

00:17:54.960 his word and our relationship with him, being in fellowship with him through prayer and worship,

00:17:59.420 reading his word, definitely foundational things. Um, the third way to become close to God

00:18:05.140 is to be close with his body, the church, his bride,

00:18:08.820 the people of God in your life.

00:18:11.360 Now, I think that it's pretty easy as a woman

00:18:13.940 to have your relationship over here with your family 0.99

00:18:16.340 and have your private relationship over here with God

00:18:18.160 and just pour yourselves into just those areas.

00:18:21.200 But we're not called to live autonomous and independent lives.

00:18:27.400 We're called to live and to be unified with the body of Christ,

00:18:31.900 um as you you know just mentioned with the denominations question um so i'm just going

00:18:37.640 to go ahead and read a few scriptures on this topic um first peter 3 8 finally all of you have

00:18:43.980 unity of mind sympathy brotherly love a tender heart and a humble mind philippians 2 2 complete

00:18:50.520 my joy by being of the same mind having the same love being in full accord and of one mind

00:18:56.540 Ephesians 4 verse 1 through 6.

00:19:26.540 who is above all and through all and in you all yeah so you think about that you just go

00:19:32.060 back to if you can't if you read the new testament and you can't see the theme of unity

00:19:37.960 and oneness you're blind because you go back and read it again yeah you go back and read it again

00:19:42.660 because it is so prevalent everywhere it's all over the place you're not an independent

00:19:48.820 entity unto yourself and in a culture that we live in today so many people and families just

00:19:55.660 want to kind of peel off into the corner as you said and just live their own christian life

00:20:00.700 disconnected from the body just the bible and prayer and really good information good podcast

00:20:06.120 good books but never really being connected yeah with the bride of christ with his body yeah so

00:20:13.800 what happens when you're working to become one it generally kind of gets messy right yeah it's

00:20:18.680 difficult it's hard why um because it requires correction and um admonition and yeah a rebuke

00:20:28.700 exhortation and yeah and even rebuke um this is where i think most christians kind of miss that

00:20:34.500 third area of maturity um because this area it requires humility and that's i feel like it's

00:20:41.920 something that's so um not rarely seen i don't know maybe it is kind of rarely seen at least in

00:20:48.300 today's culture at least in my generation um with young with young women we actually have been seeing

00:20:53.880 it a lot over the last couple years i see yeah i see it with a lot of young men and women but

00:20:59.140 since we're this question specifically women and i am in women's ministry i would definitely say

00:21:03.920 that because i agree with you with that as well i mean it's probably a young person thing in terms

00:21:07.880 of just you know young people being being prideful but it is it's and it's i would say it's not just

00:21:13.680 even humble i mean i think it's the core is humble but vulnerable like we just don't want to be a

00:21:19.200 known we're so protected and and so worried about what other people are going to think about us

00:21:24.760 yeah wounded like they're not going to like me or love me or care about me if they knew that i

00:21:30.600 struggled with this or whatever it is um but yeah this area really requires community and it also

00:21:36.260 requires not being defensive or easily offended um which you know we live in a culture whose

00:21:42.300 favorite pastime is getting offended yes and so um this area also requires um your theology to

00:21:49.320 become real and to actually be walked out in the lives of the women that you are walking with

00:21:53.940 um so i just ask yourself are you a humble woman um can you be corrected without being defensive

00:22:00.960 um and actually truly if somebody does bring a correction or an exhortation or an admonishment

00:22:06.280 whatever it is like listen to it and not necessarily you may not necessarily have to

00:22:11.140 agree with them right off the bat but hear their point of view try and understand where they're

00:22:14.660 coming from where would they get that idea from if it is something that you're struggling with

00:22:18.420 listen to the heart is it coming from a person that you know truly loves you and cares about you

00:22:23.140 and has your best interest in mind um all important things to think about and um yeah so can you be

00:22:30.420 admonished without being offended um yeah this is one point i want to make is that i found in my

00:22:37.720 experience that people who are easily offended or easily um defensive is that man one little

00:22:46.840 correction i think what it like sets them off i think what that the core root of that is

00:22:53.340 is they are so broken and so wounded that this potential um i guess making known of an error

00:23:05.980 in their life they're they're like rubbed raw and just this one little correction can feel

00:23:13.580 like a massive attack like they can't take anymore like and so so instead they just like

00:23:19.220 deny it through defensiveness and offensiveness and like walk away and pull back and like get

00:23:22.620 out of community and step away and and so you know keeping that in mind with a lot of people

00:23:29.400 we're so emotionally driven today to deliver these things like you know and this is preaching

00:23:36.560 to the choir for me but just delivering them gently in love you know some of those things

00:23:41.960 um anyway i just think about that in our experience like every time someone's brought

00:23:46.360 a correction to me if i've received it it's because i'm in a good spot with the lord

00:23:51.060 like i just go like i feel confident like this guy's not going to just strip away my identity

00:23:56.240 and like my worth but if i'm how many times you've been corrected in the last four years

00:24:01.300 oh hundreds like and and if i've if i'm defensive and offensive it's usually because i'm in a place

00:24:09.660 where i'm like doubting my own value you know like and you just came and just pushed on an area where

00:24:16.540 i'm like oh you know it was already tender yeah so yeah the proverbs um speak directly to this

00:24:23.440 um in many many spots so i'm going to go ahead and read a few of those scriptures as well proverbs

00:24:29.120 nine eight through nine do not correct a scoffer lest he hate you rebuke a wise man and he will

00:24:35.140 love you give instruction to a wise man and he will and he will be still wiser teach a man and

00:24:42.700 he will increase in learning like so that that's core is it um rebuke a wise man and he will love

00:24:51.240 you for it like that's what a wise man can take correction thank you for telling me that like you

00:24:57.660 know what i do need to work on that like what a humble response like oh man you're right i i have

00:25:03.500 been failing there or even as a as a mature believer as a mature christian um going to

00:25:09.940 people um approaching other people that are more mature than you and in their walk of their faith

00:25:15.360 a mentor figure and just ask them like hey is there anything in my life that you see that

00:25:19.720 could really use some work in some areas that need some focus that I need to focus on to get 0.92

00:25:25.500 better at um I've actually seen Veronica do this several times over the years with older women so 0.99

00:25:30.860 she's not just saying that she literally does that she'll go to older women and say hey if

00:25:35.000 there's anything in my life that you see would you be willing to tell me um and that is again

00:25:40.240 super core humility of just going I want to be better I want to be more like Christ

00:25:45.980 um and if you see something in my life that's off of scripture tell me yeah the reason why i share

00:25:55.480 that um is not to toot my own horn dale did that but is because i've seen it be fruitful in my own

00:26:01.960 life yeah if somebody did have something that they noticed in my life that had they haven't

00:26:06.160 actually verbalized it to me because it wasn't a huge deal or whatever it is but i've sought that

00:26:10.340 out from them um and i actually had a direction of where to focus on it has it's blessed me and

00:26:16.340 my family when it gives people permission like that idea of just giving people permission to

00:26:21.220 speak into your life yeah because that that's people are we live in a culture whose has not

00:26:26.000 been trained to do this if you come into our biblical community you'll you will get corrected

00:26:30.860 over time if something is seen that's wrong not because we're the correction police but because

00:26:36.300 we've looked at the scriptures and said this is a good thing if you see a brother or sister

00:26:40.080 and their marriage is hurting go ask them about it and they know that they can come up to us as

00:26:45.460 well if they were to see something yeah in our lives they have there's that openness where hey

00:26:50.320 like if you see dill and i bickering or whatever it is like come up and talk to us about it check

00:26:54.960 in with us be curious yeah and giving people permission is just you're allowed to do this

00:26:59.360 like we we want this it's a good thing uh to to to be corrected um and in align with scripture

00:27:06.220 um okay next scripture i'm just trying to make sure i didn't read this one already okay proverbs

00:27:12.700 13 20 whoever walks with the wise becomes wise but the companion of fools will suffer harm

00:27:18.200 surround yourself with godly biblical wisdom people you are going to become like the people

00:27:23.800 that you hang out with um same with your kids they're going to become like the people they

00:27:28.540 spend time with um so just be wise and who you spend your time with um proverbs 11 14 where there

00:27:36.820 is no council the people fall but in the multitude of counselors there is safety so that's i mean yeah

00:27:44.140 that's that that is what it is i i don't know about you but i want to be in safety yeah so i

00:27:49.900 i always appreciate the um being able to ask for advice wisdom or um have somebody offer a correction

00:27:58.060 Yeah, totally. And I think it's just so critical about wanting to be in community like that. And maybe you're in a community of Christian friends who never tell you hard things, which is sadly much of Christian church because, again, we're an audience church.

00:28:16.180 Oh, and we're also in a time where everyone's offended. 0.91

00:28:20.900 Everyone's offended.

00:28:21.440 For example, recently there was a woman that she comes to our fellowship and she was at

00:28:28.220 our house and I was playing with her baby, watching, and I just noticed something in

00:28:33.120 his mouth and I said, hey, like, and I felt in my spirit like a little bit nervous and

00:28:38.360 a little bit hesitant, like, I don't want to offend her.

00:28:40.580 I don't want to, like, feel like I'm insulting.

00:28:45.180 i don't know i just felt nervous about it and i just pointing out something that she didn't see

00:28:49.700 that she didn't see exactly and um and i was like hey like did you notice that your son

00:28:54.520 might have like a lip tie um and she's like what no like i just he was just at the pediatrician a

00:29:02.280 couple days ago and she looked and i was like yeah i mean like just something to look at it's

00:29:06.660 i'm not trying to like overstep any boundaries or anything but and she totally received it was

00:29:11.900 really appreciative and the reason also why i noticed is because all three of our kids have

00:29:14.900 had them um and so she was super receptive took him to a pediatric dentist yeah he has a lip tie

00:29:22.680 he's got it surgically corrected and so things like that and um that could have gone one or two

00:29:28.700 ways yeah you know she was super humble kind receptive to it um and i really appreciated that

00:29:35.220 um where i've had other experiences as well yeah you just never really know yeah and this is a

00:29:41.400 small example that's not even doctrine related it's around just like practical practical and

00:29:46.320 that's i think a lot of the stuff that happens in church today we got to be known we got to be

00:29:50.660 willing to be known so one is you want to grow outside of your word outside of the time you have

00:29:56.260 with the bible and in prayer go get connected with god's people and being close with god's people

00:30:04.120 and being connected with god's people is different we are close with each other on sunday proximity

00:30:09.140 that proximity doesn't equal participation we got to participate in each other's lives

00:30:14.100 reciprocating making it we're obligated fulfilling the one another's in each other's lives

00:30:18.540 and walking out that relational stuff even when it gets difficult messy frustrating we've had to

00:30:25.240 walk out things with people where we do weeks long church discipline multi-people involved

00:30:32.240 difficult stuff and we've reconciled it because we've walked in humility and we walked in the

00:30:39.160 power of the spirit and we walked in scripture's truth and it's made us more mature because of it

00:30:45.980 and we in being in a biblical community that we are in our our little house church community

00:30:50.960 we have just a machine that really helps us grow constantly like we're just having constant

00:30:59.500 opportunities to grow to be corrected to correct others to be a part of correction to to be a part

00:31:03.880 of conversation and encouragement and admonishment and it's just really good for the christian to grow

00:31:09.540 that way so the last thing is is yeah are you in a community that nobody ever tells you the hard

00:31:15.660 things um are those your friends according to the bible that's not what friends do um

00:31:25.480 Proverbs says, faithful are the wounds of a friend, but deceitfulness or deceitful are the kisses of

00:31:33.340 the enemy. Like, hey, everything's good. Hey, how are you guys doing? Everything's great. I see this

00:31:37.760 problem in your life. I'm not going to say anything. Yeah, cool. Okay, see you next Sunday.

00:31:41.880 That's not loving. What's loving is to sit back and go, oh man, I saw something. It's a one-off

00:31:50.040 thing. Okay, I'm not going to say anything next week. Oh man, I saw that thing again. It looks

00:31:54.620 like it's a pattern in that brother's life. Maybe he's struggling with that. All right, I'm going to

00:31:59.160 pray about this. Lord, give me the wisdom. Should I talk to this brother about this? Because it looks

00:32:04.240 like something could be going on here. One more time happens. Ooh, there's a pattern. Lord, I feel

00:32:10.560 like you're just, I'm going to go do that. And you go, hey, brother, I just saw something in your life

00:32:14.520 according to scripture, what it says right here. I just want to say, I want to be curious. I'm not

00:32:19.820 going to necessarily say that i'm critical right now but hey what what is going on are you okay

00:32:25.480 that's a good thing for the church that interaction we need more of that and i think that's what if

00:32:32.840 you want to grow up and get mature in the word and in your relationship with god go be a part

00:32:36.820 of god's people so amen amen so um that'll wrap up our show today but again if you want to listen

00:32:43.660 to the show notes or look at the show notes and watch the video of this podcast you guys can

00:32:47.660 totally do that at relearnchurch.org forward slash listen. If you want to be a part of the

00:32:52.220 launch team for my new book, which I would be super blessed by, we're looking for probably

00:32:57.400 about 100 people. Again, you can go to relearnchurch.org forward slash launch. And the last thing is you

00:33:05.120 guys can always follow Veronica and I on Instagram. And also you can follow relearnchurch and

00:33:10.520 Ultimate Marriage, our companion ministry on Instagram as well. That is it for the episode

00:33:16.720 of the day we will see you guys next week next wednesday take care guys

Dale Partridge - May 29, 2019

Real Christianity #48： Do All Denominations Lead People to Heaven？

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