Dale Partridge - July 17, 2019


Real Christianity #54： The Four Criteria For Creating Biblical Community


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00:00:00.040 Welcome to Real Christianity. Today we are talking about the four criteria for creating biblical community.
00:00:08.560 This is going to be a good conversation. We're going to really kind of show you our process of how we walk people into community here in Central Oregon in our house church community.
00:00:22.520 The questions that we ask, the process that we take, and how that could apply to your life.
00:00:28.260 but before we get started a couple things um one this is a video if you don't know that you can
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00:02:24.440 Okay, I'll open this up 1.00
00:02:27.300 and then Veronica will dive in here in a second. 1.00
00:02:30.680 So we plant house churches. 0.99
00:02:32.400 That's what we do.
00:02:34.280 And these are kind of small communities
00:02:36.260 about 10 to 15 Christian families
00:02:38.940 who gather each Sunday to do church
00:02:40.460 according to the scriptures.
00:02:41.480 That's just in a short nutshell, that's what we do.
00:02:43.660 We do nothing less and nothing more
00:02:45.080 than what the scriptures teach.
00:02:46.000 That's our goal.
00:02:46.540 It's kind of just do biblical church. 0.94
00:02:49.500 Our central mission is to really establish a culture of Christians who are walking out, growing into and conforming with the teachings of the Bible. 0.77
00:03:00.740 That's what we do. 0.70
00:03:02.820 Now, to say this another way, if people ask us, what do you really do?
00:03:09.560 We wouldn't just say, oh, we plant house churches or, oh, I'm a pastor.
00:03:16.540 You know, what we really do is build biblical culture.
00:03:19.920 That's at the core what we do is we build biblical culture.
00:03:22.940 We shepherd followers of Jesus to and through the teachings of Jesus.
00:03:30.060 That's what we do.
00:03:32.620 We help kind of men and women understand and abide in God's expectation for his children in his community.
00:03:41.620 um this is probably close to like a really practical description of what the apostle
00:03:46.520 paul did it's just shepherding people to biblical culture it's multifaceted multidimensional
00:03:53.820 um and deeply relational um so i'll let veronica dive in yeah just hearing you mention that over
00:04:02.500 the years i think um dale and i have probably seen i don't know over 100 families come and go
00:04:08.640 um you know some come some go from our biblical communities here in central
00:04:13.180 Oregon um but in addition to that we get so
00:04:17.520 many messages just about every day I know you
00:04:20.120 definitely do um from people who are just curious
00:04:24.020 about biblical house church or um I should just say just biblical
00:04:28.020 church doesn't have to be house church um biblical church or are looking for
00:04:31.660 biblical communities in their area and we totally get it we've been there
00:04:36.000 before um and we've mentioned it before kind of walk through a desert not really going anywhere
00:04:42.160 we don't recommend that um but we totally hear you on that um and from the outside looking in
00:04:49.920 biblical community can seem like a spiritual oasis um where the fruit is just overflowing
00:04:57.860 and it is um but the reality is from the outside people don't see what is required
00:05:04.940 to yield that type of fruit yeah um go ahead yeah they do i mean it's just there's so much
00:05:11.200 internal work oh yeah everyone wants the results um but few are willing to adhere
00:05:17.280 to the doctrines required to achieve them yeah and i mean when we talk about communities we have
00:05:23.780 three gatherings here in central oregon as of now um and uh probably another one soon and maybe
00:05:32.020 another one shortly after that and you know we when a church gets too big um to fit a new home
00:05:37.500 we we don't go get a building we multiply into another house and uh just so if that question
00:05:43.860 comes up in your mind uh but as veronica said since we started doing this in 2014 uh and we
00:05:50.240 were really learning just kind of from the very beginning at that point and so it's not like wow
00:05:55.980 you only have three communities after 2014 well there was several years of just learning what to
00:06:01.100 do yeah before we're still new to us in 2014 so um we had to learn and figure it out we've probably
00:06:07.500 seen 30 to 40 families leave the community over the years um just like okay like that didn't work
00:06:14.280 for them and um or moving or whatever it is yeah and some of them had clear callings from god
00:06:19.680 to move away to move to a different church uh some move because of a career change
00:06:24.620 some missions some doing missions but i'd say that um maybe a majority uh definitely at least half
00:06:33.340 um have left because they weren't actually interested in conforming to what the bible
00:06:40.580 calls Christians to do as the church. Now, we're not perfect, you know, in our churches. And I'm
00:06:48.840 not saying that like, man, we have it right. And if you don't get it right, you know, if you don't
00:06:51.860 conform to what we're doing over here, then, you know, you're definitely wrong. That's not what
00:06:54.840 I'm saying. I've eaten a lot of humble pie over the years and understand what it means to be
00:07:00.560 humble. But I think you'll understand what I'm saying as we get through this episode. But my
00:07:05.020 experience has shown me that people really struggle to embrace the bible's instructions
00:07:11.000 for real christian community they they really do it's it's hard on the flesh it's a struggle
00:07:17.040 especially if you haven't grown up in that it is most people haven't yeah and so this show is
00:07:22.960 almost like an evaluation like a personal evaluation uh tool to see if you really do
00:07:30.140 want biblical community a lot of people say they oh i would love that um but do you really want it
00:07:35.480 um you know uh is this something you're really looking for um and at the end of the episode if
00:07:43.080 it is something you're really looking for we'll give you a few uh tips to kind of further that
00:07:47.740 journey that you might be able to establish a biblical culture or biblical community uh in
00:07:52.500 your own hometown because that's a question we get a lot um so let's talk about biblical culture
00:07:57.240 building. And when someone leaves your church, the natural inclination of the flesh is to determine
00:08:07.140 what we did wrong or what we need to change to prevent people from leaving in the future.
00:08:17.520 Sadly, many churches begin to focus on how they can better accommodate people's preferences,
00:08:25.860 even if they're not biblical and you know god forbid uh the bible's way of doing something
00:08:31.180 offends them right um this is bad thinking to kind of accommodate uh and kind of
00:08:40.240 cater to cater to some of these desires the reasons that people leave it and you'll
00:08:45.240 we'll find out why veronica's gonna explain just a few days ago just since you're talking about
00:08:50.520 You actually posted a quote on your Instagram that I wanted to share since we're kind of on that topic.
00:08:57.860 And it said, when a church changes their values to match the current culture, they're no longer following the Bible.
00:09:04.820 They're following the lost.
00:09:06.400 Can you elaborate?
00:09:08.440 Yeah.
00:09:08.580 Yeah, I mean, so I think about this is that, you know, the only reason that a church should change based on someone leaving is if the party who left did so because the church was doing something unbiblical.
00:09:25.280 And so if someone leaves our community, it's, you know, we're so close and like, oh, why did they leave?
00:09:30.140 Like, you want to introspection and go like, what did we do wrong?
00:09:33.500 and if it's not anything unbiblical then you know it's not us needing to change
00:09:39.900 you know however you know we do not need to change our values or theology in order to make
00:09:48.740 people more comfortable like that's that's not what we're here to do as the church if we started
00:09:53.660 changing our values in our theology to make people comfortable that's what you get when you have
00:09:59.020 of these churches that are doing big, giant concerts
00:10:01.880 and aren't really talking about Scripture
00:10:03.560 and are talking about prosperity
00:10:05.700 or just focusing on things that really have nothing to do with the Bible.
00:10:09.380 Instead, we really need to focus on creating a culture
00:10:12.580 around the Scriptures, around the biblical doctrine.
00:10:15.820 And we offer grace and patience and compassion,
00:10:18.600 but we do not compromise in order to accommodate to ungodly ideas
00:10:24.760 or just because someone doesn't want to conform to a biblical idea.
00:10:29.020 um and again this is deep stuff if you haven't heard this before yeah and and the truth is at
00:10:35.420 least in in our experience um if you have a strong biblical culture within your community it's going
00:10:41.440 to naturally push people away who are not willing to harmonize yeah um meaning when people leave
00:10:47.860 they're not leaving because of you yeah they're leaving because of the bible um and they probably
00:10:52.520 won't admit that but no they usually come up with another reason um uh and and you know what
00:10:59.760 i'm not one to say that that's invalid or valid um but in my experience that they come up with
00:11:05.880 we get we're escape artists from accountability and so we come up with these really creative ways
00:11:11.440 to kind of um avert our the attention to something else i should say divert the attention to something
00:11:19.160 else yeah um and now for us i think the best way uh to limit the coming and going uh the coming and
00:11:27.600 leaving experience is to be ultra clear and up front with the families who are interested in
00:11:33.100 being part of the communities um in the first place yeah so um to be clear we don't layer on
00:11:39.600 any more expectations than what the bible calls for but we also do not accept anything less than
00:11:45.140 what the bible calls for either yeah and and so again this is we're gonna talk about um there's
00:11:53.280 also grace for people who you you're they're they're eager to grow they're wanting to learn
00:11:58.180 they're wanting to grow and they're they're not there yet yeah and so we have grace for those
00:12:02.300 people who are on the journey it's not a black and white process right um but we're gonna try
00:12:06.860 to give you a somewhat of a format that i think is just helpful for you to guys to go oh wow that
00:12:12.600 that's what biblical culture is. And, um, and if you are interested in at some point creating a
00:12:18.160 biblical community where you're at, uh, from the five years in which we've been doing this
00:12:24.560 every single week, these are some things that we've learned. Um, but when a family is interested
00:12:30.020 in joining our community, um, we do what a house church, you know, a house church from China or
00:12:35.700 house church from Bulgaria, house church from Iran, house churches all around the world do.
00:12:39.560 and we go to dinner or coffee with these people first, okay?
00:12:44.700 And, you know, we want to get to know these people.
00:12:49.200 Like, that's what we want to do.
00:12:51.080 It's really a safety precaution as well.
00:12:54.920 In China or any other persecuted church region in the world,
00:13:00.040 you don't just let someone come to your house church
00:13:02.640 because they're interested in wanting to come to your house church.
00:13:06.420 This is how people have been put in jail.
00:13:08.180 Our entire churches have been killed or martyred because of that.
00:13:11.420 I mean, it's not a wise thing to do.
00:13:14.180 No, you go and you attempt to build authentic relationship with these folks.
00:13:19.280 You answer their questions.
00:13:20.900 You ask questions.
00:13:24.060 Again, these people will be in your home.
00:13:26.560 They're going to be around your children.
00:13:28.420 They're going to be around your friends' children.
00:13:30.440 They're going to have authority to speak and teach in the church gathering,
00:13:34.740 um uh according to scriptures uh the scriptures um you know there's a bit of a protective shepherd
00:13:41.900 role to play when you invite people into a biblical community um now i know some of you
00:13:48.820 guys are thinking but what about like the lost like people that don't know jesus like what if
00:13:52.660 they want to come well in in a in a house church experience that's usually not the case because
00:13:59.160 we don't have a building we don't have a website we're not it's usually uh not something we're
00:14:03.380 dealing with um my my my just quick we're not spending time on this today touch on it touch on
00:14:10.980 it quickly yeah just kind of ecclesiology on evangelism in the church is that this this isn't
00:14:17.060 a time um the church isn't a time to do evangelism evangelism is an outward work go therefore and make
00:14:26.220 disciples of all nations it's an outward work you never see in the scriptures this being an activity
00:14:32.040 that happens in the church, it's always an activity that happens outward. Individuals are called to go
00:14:38.700 and preach the gospel, baptize people, disciple them, and then bring them to the church. We're
00:14:44.200 not supposed to just bring them to the church and outsource our role of evangelism to the paid
00:14:48.340 pastor so that he can do the evangelism for us. The idea of church being an evangelism hub isn't
00:14:54.260 something you see in the scriptures. Evangelism and the church meeting are separate endeavors,
00:14:58.100 and the church itself really is for the meeting of the saints it's the edification of the body
00:15:04.960 to do the work of the ministry this is what the gathering is for um if you look uh first
00:15:10.500 corinthians chapter 14 ephesians 4 kind of explains this idea uh that it's for the edification
00:15:16.140 but side note i digress um and so i'm moving back now to the conversation of the process that we
00:15:24.300 have and the heart of the reason to get to know these people through these dinners and through
00:15:28.260 these coffees is to understand what biblical community really is and i'll tell you we've done
00:15:34.060 it how many i mean we've had hundreds of dinners with families right like that are curious and we
00:15:41.020 we you know yeah some have decided to not come actually after those dinners and some have decided
00:15:47.380 to come and check it out stay or leave yeah and this you know because the institutional church
00:15:55.220 has trained christians to view and understand church in a way that has very little to do with
00:16:01.120 the bible um this means there's a lot of unlearning and relearning to do in terms of when it comes to
00:16:07.680 church we just met with a couple today who comes from a um baptist orthodox um russian church and
00:16:16.660 was asking us all these questions and like i was like well there's there's really nothing in the
00:16:22.380 bible that says to do it like that and it was just a lot of unlearning and relearning to do
00:16:28.000 and so we all kind of walk in with some of that stuff and so over a handful of dinners we usually
00:16:34.100 do two to four dinners uh with families uh here's what i would say the four scriptural requirements
00:16:41.980 for christians who want to do church according to the bible and um and they're they're pretty
00:16:47.200 heavy and i'm excited to share them with you guys yeah so as we um go through these it might be a
00:16:52.140 now would be like a good time it might be a good exercise for you to examine if you would thrive
00:16:56.820 or end up leaving a biblical community um so let's dive in the first thing that is central to being
00:17:02.680 part of a biblical community is first thing number one do you allow scripture to be authoritative
00:17:08.820 yeah authoritative in your life the first thing uh that people generally ask is does the bible
00:17:16.640 have authority in your life um i'm sorry the first thing that we usually ask is yeah does
00:17:21.720 the bible have authority in your life um do you submit to scripture even if it's unpopular or
00:17:25.980 uncomfortable um or do they have a pick and choose relationship with scripture yeah are they pulling
00:17:32.980 a theology that's just kind of cherry picking like i like this verse i like that verse i like
00:17:37.200 this idea i like that idea i don't like that idea i don't want to talk about that over there though
00:17:40.300 that's written in scripture yeah that's that's not my thing uh we have to remember that we received
00:17:46.220 the gospel because it was written down in the bible so if you're not going to believe the rest
00:17:51.640 of the bible is true then why should the gospel be true it's so interesting to me how people do
00:17:57.520 that they go oh i don't want to listen to that verse right there or that verse over there or
00:18:03.040 that verse over there but hey i love the gospel it's very illogical it's a very contradictive
00:18:07.740 idea um second timothy uh 3 16 through 17 says all scripture is given by inspiration of god and
00:18:14.260 is profitable for doctrine for reproof for correction for instruction and righteousness
00:18:17.600 that the man of god man mean man and woman man of god may be complete thoroughly equipped for
00:18:22.940 every good work you combine that with the promise of scripture that god cannot lie
00:18:28.100 And you have a dilemma that the Bible is true or it's not.
00:18:32.520 And when it says that all scripture is given by inspiration of God,
00:18:35.320 and we've done episodes on this idea before,
00:18:38.020 but this is really important.
00:18:39.660 You don't try to go do biblical community with families who are not interested
00:18:44.420 in having the scriptures be authoritative in how they live.
00:18:48.220 And because you're always going to be playing by different rules.
00:18:52.720 Yeah.
00:18:53.160 If you are in a community with people that do adhere to the Bible, is authoritative, 0.61
00:19:01.060 then you always have something to go back to. 0.98
00:19:03.320 Yes.
00:19:03.740 And you don't need to worry about the emotions that get involved and engaged.
00:19:07.800 We need to care for the emotions.
00:19:09.400 We need to be gentle with each other.
00:19:11.140 But at the end of the day, I don't want your emotions to be the arbiter of what we're doing.
00:19:15.840 We're going to just do what the scriptures teach.
00:19:18.080 And if we're all unified on that, man, you can do community
00:19:22.280 because there's guidelines and there's rules.
00:19:23.980 And again, what are the purpose of rules in a game?
00:19:27.440 To give you a clear path to win.
00:19:30.240 They're not bad.
00:19:31.120 They're not here to oppress you.
00:19:32.220 They're here to give you a clear path to win.
00:19:34.720 Every Christian doctrine,
00:19:37.000 whether it's the doctrine of God, sin, salvation,
00:19:39.700 is drawn from the Bible.
00:19:41.600 If we can't trust the Bible,
00:19:42.980 then we've lost the very foundation of our faith.
00:19:46.420 To put it in the terms of Psalm 11, 3,
00:19:49.280 it says, if the foundations be destroyed,
00:19:51.280 what shall the righteous do and so yeah the the first thing that's so critical if you're going to
00:19:58.680 do church with other people is that everybody believes that the scriptures are inerrant and
00:20:04.720 true and authoritative in the way they live yeah and this conversation about scripture generally
00:20:09.800 leads to a flurry of questions um about interpretation and then people these are like
00:20:15.680 the first questions people usually ask us um well how do you view women in the church or what about
00:20:22.360 head coverings which we've done podcasts on these before um what do you do with the children or um
00:20:28.200 do you guys do church discipline uh yeah and giving how does that work and and which we just
00:20:33.780 did a podcast on that and so these are common questions actually like 10 of them i i have
00:20:38.280 written down because i just i i train church planters and i go man these 10 questions you're
00:20:42.480 to get the first questions that people always ask always ask and you got to have the answers for
00:20:46.380 them um but then we walk these families through their questions we take them through scripture
00:20:52.340 over these dinners and we walk them through and we let them make their own decision we're not
00:20:56.500 trying to convince anyone to come and be a part of what we're doing no very i mean almost every
00:21:01.580 time we're gathering with people who say you know if this is where the lord's leading you we'd love
00:21:05.300 to have you but if this isn't where he's leading you then don't come like that's fine we're not
00:21:10.480 going to be offended. If you choose to go to another church, that's totally fine. I'll even
00:21:14.700 say we don't want you here if the Lord doesn't want you here. Like don't come for us. Come for
00:21:20.460 God's leading you to this place to be with his people. You know, God is building his church.
00:21:26.040 Jesus says on this rock, I will build my church. He is building the church. I don't need to worry
00:21:30.800 about it. I need to sell the church idea. The Lord is building the church. And we're simply
00:21:36.640 called just to be faithful to his word but when people learn how serious we are about the scriptures
00:21:41.420 and how much we hold those in in such high honor um they either love it or they pull back
00:21:50.340 and so that's why it's it's like the first thing you got to deal with um in in a conversation with
00:21:56.140 folks if you're trying to start a biblical community is is the scripture is true and
00:22:01.380 interestingly, the people that pull back are sometimes the people who say, man, I want to do
00:22:07.500 church like the book of Acts. I want to do the Acts church, man. That's like what everybody says.
00:22:11.560 I want to do like that. Yeah, I read that and I want to do that. And man, I'm just here to tell
00:22:16.720 you the Acts church, the first century Christians, man, they believed in scripture. It says that they
00:22:22.120 labored in the apostles doctrine in Acts chapter two. And so what about you? Is the Bible authoritative
00:22:28.760 in your life and how you live um are you excited and hungry for being in a community that loves
00:22:37.360 the bible that's the first criteria all right second thing we're going to discuss which will
00:22:42.500 be number two are you hungry for god yeah that's it that's the second point first one is do you
00:22:49.080 want more yeah do you want more yeah um aw tozer once said uh to have found god and still pursue
00:22:55.800 him is the true evidence of love so are you looking uh for a church solution because it's
00:23:01.800 something that you know is good for your life or are you looking for a church because you're so in
00:23:06.880 love with god that you want to pursue him with his people yeah yeah and this is this is a a great
00:23:14.040 discussion that'll kind of naturally reveal um if a person is a christian by philosophy or even by
00:23:22.640 what I call bibliology, meaning that they really enjoy the moralism of the Bible, but they don't
00:23:29.260 actually have a relationship with Christ. And I think there's a lot of people out there that have
00:23:33.040 that. They really love the conservative politics and they really love Jesus, the idea. They really
00:23:38.540 love, you know, just the, yeah, you know, hey, no swearing and live clean and don't have sex
00:23:45.680 before you're married. They love those boundaries, but they're not actually in a deep saving
00:23:52.620 faith relationship with christ and um and so we're looking for people if they're hungry for god you
00:24:01.080 could even say man scripture's authoritative it's it's it's there and still not have a hunger for
00:24:05.960 god like you kind of go like hey i found him like i'm here like that's all you know um and usually
00:24:13.560 what that is in my experience is it's someone who lacks the vision of the kingdom um the bible says
00:24:22.120 where there is no vision, the people perish.
00:24:24.480 And man, if you don't see God and his work in the world
00:24:28.080 and your ministry that he's given you,
00:24:30.140 it's easy to not be hungry for God.
00:24:31.800 But over the years, we've met many of these people,
00:24:34.780 these people that are in this philosophy, Christianity.
00:24:37.840 I call it churchianity.
00:24:40.260 They love the values of the Christian life,
00:24:42.660 but it's not a daily heart-driven relationship with God.
00:24:47.540 And again, if you don't love God deeply,
00:24:50.020 you'll actually be confused by those who do.
00:24:52.120 and eventually feel out of place in a biblical community and you'll eventually leave or or like
00:25:01.480 have a moment with God like where you come closer and I've seen families that do that just like a
00:25:06.420 breakthrough and you go oh or they just go I don't get it guys and then they they walk away
00:25:12.740 yeah uh Jesus said in Matthew chapter 22 verses 37 through 38 you shall love the Lord your God
00:25:20.440 with all your heart with all your soul with all your mind this is the first and great commandment
00:25:25.080 it usually takes time for this to become evident um if they're hungry or not yes um but the
00:25:32.960 discussion up front usually starts the personal evaluation if it's needed um and so the third
00:25:40.920 thing we're going to try to determine when meeting new folks is number three are you eager to grow
00:25:48.880 and bear fruit yeah so again i want to just kind of review these real quick um we have number one
00:25:55.480 is do you allow scripture to be authoritative number two is are you hungry for god um and the
00:26:02.720 third one is are you eager to grow and bear fruit um i'm gonna read a passage in hebrews um actually
00:26:12.480 babe why don't you read it hebrews 5 12 through 14 yeah let's start there for though by this time
00:26:19.360 you ought to be teachers you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of
00:26:24.040 god and you have come to need milk and not solid food for everyone who partakes only of milk is 0.97
00:26:29.560 unskilled in the word of righteousness for he is a babe but solid food belongs to those who are of
00:26:34.780 full age that is those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and
00:26:41.160 evil. Yeah. So pretty heady passage of scripture. And what I want to talk about here is the apostle
00:26:48.620 is saying when you're a baby, you can't digest anything but milk. And that's fine. If you're
00:26:54.540 new to the gospel, you need the gospel. You have to start somewhere. Yeah. You need the milk parts
00:27:01.100 of the doctrines of God.
00:27:04.260 But as an adult, you cannot grow on milk alone, right?
00:27:10.200 You need something else to provide the sustenance for growth.
00:27:15.740 And sadly, the vast majority of the Western church
00:27:19.340 is trying to survive on rations of milk.
00:27:24.020 That's really what we are.
00:27:25.440 We're on starvation rations of milk.
00:27:27.580 We never get to the deep end of the pool.
00:27:30.620 And so, again, this topic that we're talking about is, are you eager to grow and bear fruit?
00:27:37.680 And, you know, you need meat to digest to produce growth and maturity.
00:27:45.700 And with growth and maturity comes fruitfulness.
00:27:49.920 You don't have a lot of fruit that comes from the growth from milk.
00:27:54.520 Because milk's really just to get you started.
00:27:55.980 but you need to eventually start eating meat
00:27:57.460 just like a child does
00:27:58.320 so they can start to continue to really grow.
00:28:02.360 Yeah, but I think what you're saying
00:28:05.380 is that there should be a desire to grow,
00:28:07.680 a desire for content that is nourishing
00:28:11.060 to make you more mature.
00:28:13.940 In my experience,
00:28:15.640 I grow through the consumption
00:28:17.980 of meaty elements of God's doctrine.
00:28:21.700 And then through obedience to those things
00:28:25.160 is when the fruit appears yeah i mean think about some of the things that you're reading romans
00:28:31.700 right now right and it's hard because romans is hard for me to read sometimes i'm like dang this
00:28:36.380 is heavy stuff i have to go back and read it a few times back and read a few times but
00:28:39.660 you know we were talking uh when we were a night away and you were mentioning just some
00:28:44.040 like wow this is some some heavier deeper thinking content and it's moments like that
00:28:49.940 that you go you're expanding your understanding of who god is you know your your faith and just
00:28:56.240 this desire to even go and look at romans and to even go sit and reread a section because you want
00:29:03.340 to know god more i mean is that something that you're just kind of enjoying that expansion
00:29:08.180 experience when you go through the bible yeah definitely i think at first um naturally in my
00:29:14.300 flesh it's intimidating um but i i love the lord and i want to grow and i want to understand his
00:29:20.220 word and so yeah it is enjoyable and i'm grateful that you're my husband because you have to explain
00:29:26.240 it to me well and i i think you know the cult of the cultivation of growth does not occur alone
00:29:34.060 just as veronica said right there like i'm involved as her husband um there might be other
00:29:39.780 women involved in her life in that journey of growth as well. It doesn't occur alone, and this 0.52
00:29:45.820 is an important element of this kind of section. Are you eager to grow and bear fruit? Because
00:29:51.820 cultivation of maturity, of Christian maturity, does not occur alone. And we're part of a body,
00:29:57.700 as what the scriptures tell us, that is called to relational accountability, and I would say
00:30:02.820 purification. And I'll explain what purification means. Galatians 6.1, brethren, if any man is
00:30:09.340 overtaken in any trespass. You who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness. We
00:30:15.140 have a responsibility to restore, to correct, right? 2 Timothy 4.2, preach the word, be ready
00:30:20.980 in season and out of season, convince, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and teaching. There's
00:30:24.460 a purification, a growing element, a kind of nurturing element that goes on in the body of
00:30:31.000 Christ. James 5.19-20, brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone turns him
00:30:37.320 back. Someone takes initiative to turn
00:30:39.400 him back. Let him know that he who turns a sinner 1.00
00:30:41.320 from error of his way
00:30:43.060 will save a soul from death
00:30:45.320 and cover a multitude of sins.
00:30:47.320 Matthew 18 talks about how to deal
00:30:49.520 with a brother or sister who's
00:30:51.220 sinned against you and how to restore
00:30:53.580 such a person. 1 Corinthians chapter
00:30:55.280 5 talks about church discipline and how
00:30:57.300 that's to be walked out.
00:30:59.960 So again, it's a purification 0.73
00:31:01.040 system. We are a body.
00:31:03.320 We're not independent entities. We're a body
00:31:05.280 together and we grow together and we
00:31:06.880 we nurture and bear fruit with one another and it's a not an independent isolated my relationship
00:31:13.360 with jesus over here in the corner type thing yeah and so what this means is that the health
00:31:19.400 of your marriage is my concern yeah like the health of that those people's marriage over there
00:31:24.120 in our community uh it's our concern yeah and the health of our parenting is your concern yeah like
00:31:31.660 if you see something off have a conversation about it and we're willing to hear it right
00:31:37.320 totally and yeah and so it also means that overlooking sin which is injuring to your soul
00:31:42.380 is not loving um so this this is biblical community um so that leads us to our fourth
00:31:49.440 and final criteria which is are you willing to participate if you don't have this last piece
00:31:58.540 it just doesn't work it just doesn't work we've had many people over the years like leave just
00:32:06.280 because there's just not willing to participate and not even maybe because they don't want to
00:32:14.260 or they're just there's just you know sometimes it's an introvert thing sometimes it's like a
00:32:18.000 it takes a lot of growth to kind of participate um so let me i'll walk you guys through this one
00:32:24.680 too um but again number one is do you allow scripture to be authoritative in your life
00:32:29.840 are you hungry for god even though you've already found him do you still pursue him
00:32:33.660 are you eager to grow and bear fruit um and then the last one are you willing to participate
00:32:41.120 because we talked about before in the previous point it's together that we grow um sure the
00:32:49.480 lord's teaching you one-on-one but together there's a lot of growth to be done community
00:32:54.280 we this word community man this generation loves the word community it takes a village yeah they
00:32:59.300 have no idea what the word community really means in the biblical sense but but community does not
00:33:04.700 mean i'll engage with you as long as i don't have anything better to do um and so that's how like
00:33:12.400 most people view church it's like i'll be there if i have nothing better to do but if my family's in
00:33:17.200 town, then I won't be there. If, you know, we have, uh, an opportunity to go do something fun for the
00:33:24.340 day, then we won't be there. And I'm not saying that we need to have this, like, cutthroat
00:33:29.760 legalistic, you gotta be at church every Sunday. But again, our heart should be, man, we want to be
00:33:36.380 there because it's the people of God. We want to be there with them. Um, biblical community is built
00:33:42.020 on commitment and obligation to one another uh hebrews chapter 10 is it 10 or 13 oh geez
00:33:49.740 um i think it's 10 no it's maybe it's 13 anyways you have to look it up guys not forsaking the
00:33:55.380 gathering of yourselves together as is the manner of some um but instead we're to be exhorting one
00:34:02.040 another um until the day of the lord appears i'm paraphrasing slightly um but you cannot read the
00:34:10.780 New Testament. See the nearly 100 one another's of scripture and start to view those as optional
00:34:19.440 behaviors and moments of convenience. That is impossible to do if you read the Bible. Love one
00:34:24.940 another. Have peace with one another. Pray for one another. Forgive one another. Bear one another's
00:34:29.520 burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ. Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another
00:34:34.880 that you may be healed. I mean, this is a call to deeply engaged relationship. When you start
00:34:40.700 looking at these, Paul writes 60% of the one another's in the New Testament, but there's lots
00:34:44.680 from Jesus, there's some from Peter and James, and you get through there and you go, wow, you cannot
00:34:49.240 do Christian life alone. It is a participatory activity of one anothering in scripture to carry
00:34:58.540 out those doctrines in real life. Yeah, we've been trained to view church as a place to go and to
00:35:05.340 consume when in reality it's a people to join and contribute yes um so and we also have to realize
00:35:13.260 that friendship is not fellowship we confuse those things a lot um yeah it's it's not fellowship um
00:35:22.760 we have lots of we we want to kind of take the experience of the world my friends and apply it
00:35:29.940 to church my friends there's a the bible calls for a different sure there is friendship within
00:35:36.280 fellowship but fellowship is different fellowship the word of the greek means koinonia and that's
00:35:43.900 the new testament greek word for fellowship is koinonia and it means to participate with those
00:35:50.560 in which you have something in common and that thing in common is christ
00:35:55.000 um are are you willing to participate are you willing to enter into relationship on somebody
00:36:03.000 else's terms when it's inconvenient for you um i'll tell you what pastoring is all about that
00:36:10.280 you get to enter into a situation a relationship you don't have a natural affinity maybe
00:36:15.820 they have a problem that you have to deal with that is not convenient it's all about entering
00:36:21.340 in on relation on relationship on someone else's terms because you love them because you want to
00:36:26.460 shepherd them or seek the best for them um are you willing to be known this is another thing
00:36:32.800 people if you want to be in biblical community you're not willing to be known
00:36:37.340 it's never going to work you got to be willing now it could take time it's okay if it takes a
00:36:43.620 little bit of time to get there right but you got to eventually be known and are you willing to be
00:36:49.240 exhorted and corrected are you willing to give exhortations and corrections um it's awesome
00:36:56.140 we've been corrected so many times over the years and we've corrected others what a what a loving
00:37:02.060 thing to do if someone saw something in our marriage or our parenting and didn't bring it
00:37:07.420 up to us what a that is not loving so we love when someone comes to us in a with the truth
00:37:14.760 in love and presents us a correction. Are you willing to care for others? Are you willing to
00:37:21.340 leave margin in your schedule to have time for other people? Are you willing to serve and labor
00:37:29.060 in people's lives? If you are, it's because you love people. That's why. Because it's not easy
00:37:38.320 on the flesh to do that. It's because you love people. And if you love people, you're going to
00:37:42.320 do great in biblical community and what the church is really about and but if you're concerned about
00:37:51.320 your needs um only if you're focused on what you get and what you want out of the church experience
00:38:00.760 um or you're too busy to engage with others because you're not prioritizing uh the family
00:38:08.660 you have no margin you can't serve anybody um you leave no space for anything else
00:38:15.220 um you're you're never going to experience the beauty of biblical community um and
00:38:23.540 i i'd say this is why it takes so much to be a church planter of one of these types of
00:38:30.440 gatherings. I really do think that you need to be trained for an extensive period of time before
00:38:39.200 you want to go out and plant a church community doing this. And it's something that our ministry
00:38:45.860 really hopes to do. Next year, 2020, we're going to try to build a curriculum on church planting
00:38:50.860 training. What I would say is a seminary grade curriculum. You're going to have to fly out to
00:38:55.960 central oregon and spend some time in our communities here and really get a chance to
00:39:00.500 experience it go to dinners with people feel it online books to read to read papers to write
00:39:07.080 videos lectures interviews whole thing that's something that we've been praying about and lord
00:39:12.580 willing it comes next year but ultimately when people behave like jesus and think like jesus
00:39:21.740 the natural result is biblical community and so when you come into a community like this
00:39:29.400 small gathering just like jesus is gathering which is you know his 12 guys maybe a couple
00:39:34.660 more people here and there and you start just walking and living that way it's amazing it's
00:39:40.340 like wow this is like the environment for the christian this is like where i need to be
00:39:43.820 um but it's hard it's difficult um it's not a culture that's friendly to the flesh
00:39:50.140 uh it's a spiritual culture it's it's ran upon the economics of god's kingdom
00:39:57.140 and not the world system and so this idea of like it's spiritual and it feels good in the spirit
00:40:04.200 it's it's not going to feel good in the flesh let me tell you why galatians 5 17 says for the flesh
00:40:08.760 wars against the spirit and the spirit wars against the flesh and these are contrary to 0.79
00:40:13.920 one another so that you do not do the things that you wish and so man these cultures you walk in
00:40:20.020 you go, wait, you're going to correct me. Oh, I have to conform. Oh, I have to mature. Oh, I have 0.94
00:40:23.960 to grow. Oh, I have to pray. Oh, I have to sacrifice. Oh, I have to serve. That stuff's
00:40:28.500 hard in your flesh. But if you have a kingdom perspective, you go, oh, I'm so excited to serve.
00:40:32.700 I'm so excited to give. I'm so excited to pray. I'm so excited to worship. I'm so excited to
00:40:36.460 be a part of that person's. I'm so excited to help. You shift everything into spiritual
00:40:40.720 perspective because you have a view of God's kingdom. And again, this is what shepherds are
00:40:46.640 called to do. This is what we do as a couple. This is what I do as a shepherd is, is we build
00:40:52.720 biblical culture by the grace of God and the patience of God, uh, and the humility of God.
00:40:57.980 I aim to help establish biblical culture in these community kingdom cultures, I guess a good way to
00:41:03.500 put it. Um, I said at the beginning, if you're interested in doing something like this,
00:41:08.620 it's so big you know like there's so much um i do offer uh calls like i do weekly calls with
00:41:19.320 a handful of guys all around the world who are trying to establish a biblical community in their
00:41:24.160 area um that's something that i do i only have limited time we do it in trade for donations to
00:41:30.800 our ministry um if you're a pastor and you have like some theological training maybe already
00:41:37.500 if you don't that's fine but I really lends itself to a faster experience if you have the theology
00:41:45.180 kind of established already you can email my assistant christy at relearnchurch.org and she
00:41:54.860 will facilitate that conversation if that's something you're interested in the other thing
00:42:01.180 is you can go to relearnchurch.org and we got lots of articles and things like that podcast videos
00:42:07.180 that might help you on that journey you can also start by going to relearnchurch.org forward slash
00:42:12.420 biblical dash church and i wrote kind of like a white paper on what is biblical church we have a
00:42:18.880 little bug zapper in our studio and it doesn't freak me out at all but veronica flinches every
00:42:23.740 time and uh it's summertime guys so it's starting to get some three times during this
00:42:28.560 we're starting to get some more bugs um we should probably turn that off during our
00:42:33.400 are filming um anyways guys hopefully this is helpful and quick review biblical culture is
00:42:42.800 are you going to allow the scriptures to be authoritative are you hungry for god are you
00:42:48.680 eager to grow and bear fruit and are you willing to participate if you are man biblical culture
00:42:54.960 is going to be great for you you would love that so anything else to add no it's nine something
00:43:03.360 o'clock over here it's 10 o'clock here guys we are recording at night so we're gonna check out
00:43:09.380 for the night anyways thanks guys for listening to this episode um if you guys have any questions
00:43:14.820 you can always get the uh podcast notes and the scriptures that we reference at realearnchurch.org
00:43:19.900 forward slash listen and we will see you guys next week on the real christianity podcast take care
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