Real Christianity #72： Dying to Self and Alive in Christ
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In this episode, we continue our four-part series on Dale's new book, "Real Christianity: How to Be Bold for Christ in a Culture of Darkness" by covering chapters 3 and 4 of the book. We discuss the concept of dying to self and dedicating your life to God.
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Welcome to Real Christianity. Today we are talking about dying to self and being alive in Christ.
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So yeah, we're going to be continuing in our four-part series on Dale's new book, Real Christianity,
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How to Be Bold for Christ in a Culture of Darkness.
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And if you missed last week's episode, we are basically going to be covering all eight chapters of Dale's book
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and I wanted to actually read a few reviews that I saw on Goodreads and Amazon just to let you guys
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hear what other people are saying about the book this one is from Amanda Thomas and it says get
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this book it will change your life by changing your heart it's a must-have no matter where you
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are or what you have been through what you have done or where you find yourself in life it does
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not matter you need what is written here everyone does I'm going to get a copy for everyone I know
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this year for christmas it's really that good that's awesome um alicia says uh this book is
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five inches wide seven inches tall and 10 feet deep a must read richard davis says this book
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is like a splash of warm water to your face you still get the shock of being wet without the sting
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of cold words it's direct it's bold but most of all it's accurate to the scriptures
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that's a really awesome compliment and i would say not just because i'm your wife but also
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because I'm a Christian that I would actually agree with all these comments as well I think
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that the book is short and it's super powerful and it's definitely worth adding to your library
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so in the last episode we covered chapters one and two and today we're going to be tackling
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episodes chapters three and four chapter three is titled dedication and death and we're going to
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discuss the idea of an altar in scripture um so dale this title can seem a bit intense uh can you
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tell us both what you mean and where you got this idea of dying and dedicating yourself to god
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yeah so um excited to just chat about it and thank you guys for so many of you i've already
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purchased a copy of the book we've sold several hundred copies at this point yeah and i've
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actually seen quite a few people say that they read the entire thing the day they got it because
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it is a short book and then i also see other people like are saying that like i know i can
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read it all but i want to savor it i'm only allowing myself to read a chapter at a time or
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yeah there's some really good reflection questions at the end so um anyways yeah if you're watching
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the video here you can see the book if you haven't seen it yet you can also go to my instagram account
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and see and they can also buy a study guide that can go with it yeah the study guide we actually
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have the study guide right here so if you're watching the video again you can see it but
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there's a little study guide it's a it's like a 40 to 60 page study guide so it's a it's a little
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it's a little beast and um people are buying that too you can go if you just go to shop
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dot relearn church dot org uh you can get the book and then add the study guide you can also
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i think this the study guide is actually available on amazon as well and so it's available there you
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can do that but to answer your question um pull my notes over here uh this is probably one of my
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favorite chapters in the book it might even be my favorite chapter in the book um but i'm the guy
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that you know i i lean towards the intense stuff right so uh dedication and death um you know
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what what i basically argue in this chapter is that there's two types of altar calls there's
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the altar call in the bible and then there's the altar altar call experience that we've seen
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with the kind of uh gently strummed guitar the smoke machines the piano in the background
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and the pastor that says hey with everybody's heads bowed and eyes closed uh why don't you
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raise your hand if you want to accept Jesus. That is a very different experience than the altar call
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that you see in Luke chapter 14, which I'm not going to read necessarily today, but you can go
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check that out. This idea, they're so radically different. You know, just the idea of like
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everybody's heads bowed and eyes closed, raise your hand for Jesus. Your profession of faith is a
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public thing, like baptism. It's like a public thing. You don't want to hide it. It's not intended
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to be hidden. And I know we're all about making people comfortable. And that's just, that's not
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what Jesus did in that chapter. You know what? I'm going to read it because I'm going to read that.
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I don't have it in my notes, but I'm just going to read it. I'm going to look it up in my Bible
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and you guys are just going to wait along here. It's Luke chapter 14. And this is why I have a
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bible on the desk because i can do this you're going off script i'm going off script yeah
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and um you're going to the correct script scripture scripture sure scripture okay so
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it's luke chapter 14 verses 26 through 33 uh this is jesus's altar call okay this is if he was a
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pastor pastoring at a church this is how he would do it um it says now great multitudes went with
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him, and he turned and said to them, I'm quoting now Jesus, if anyone comes to me and does not hate
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his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, his own life also, he cannot be
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my disciple. Now, stop for a second. The word hate there means love less in the Greek. That's how I've
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interpreted it, at least. Most people interpret it that way. He's not going to tell you to go hate
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somebody, especially your wife. So it's loving less. It means the prioritization needs to be
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Christ ahead of all. Verse 27, and whoever does not bear his cross and come after me cannot be
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my disciple. For which of you intending to build a tower does not sit down and first count the cost,
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whether he has enough to finish it, lest after he had laid the foundation is not able to finish it
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what kind of person doesn't count the cost involved
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of making a huge decision like following Jesus?
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Like, he's not trying to pull the wool over anybody's eyes.
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of the massive amount of consequences that are required
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or that occur in someone's life when they become a Christian.
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And we're going to talk about what those consequences are, right?
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So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be my disciple.
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A lot of people turned away when Jesus said that.
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And I think that, you know, instead of trying to sell people into Christianity,
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Jesus was trying to be very raw and real and upfront about exactly the cost involved in following Christ,
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Anyways, so we have to remember that an altar in Scripture is not a friendly place to our flesh.
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If you look at the Old Testament, you think of an altar.
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And it's where you go and you kill a lamb or a goat to make sacrifice and atonement for your sins according to Levitical law, right?
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In the New Testament, an altar is a wooden cross.
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Jesus dies on this cross and his blood is spilt from this cross, right?
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Today, you know, we really, I think, lost this idea of what it means to come to the altar, an altar call.
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And so instead of kind of dying and repenting, we're made comfortable to remain how we are, remain who we are.
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And it's just not the narrative that Jesus presents.
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And so I want to talk about this idea of dedication and death.
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Like you think, oh, Dale, are you going to build a whole systematic theology of like a few scriptures?
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This is like, I only have enough time for a few of them,
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but there's like 30 or 40 that I could have found.
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And these passages display this idea of dedication and death,
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or dedication and death, or death and dedication.
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I appeal to you, therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God,
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to present your bodies, dedication, as a living sacrifice,
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Death, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.
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And those who belong to Christ Jesus, dedication, have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires, death.
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For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life, death, for my sake, dedication, will find it.
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Colossians 3, 3, for you have died, death, and your life is hidden with Christ in God, dedication.
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Galatians 2, 20, I have been crucified with Christ, death.
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It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me.
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And the life which I live now in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, dedication, who loved me and gave himself for me.
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And this concept of picking up your cross is really this idea of death.
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And Jesus talks about that, picking up your cross.
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And I'm going to ask the question to Veronica, what does a cross do?
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And Jesus tells us to pick that thing up daily.
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But it's actually the first part of a two-part process.
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And so death, I would say, is kind of related to the idea of repentance.
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Like it's dying to yourself, it's repenting of your sin, it's turning away from your way and turning towards Christ.
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While dedication is more related to belief, like believing in Christ, devoting yourself to Christ.
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And so I'm going to draw a little parallel here.
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And so Jesus and John the Baptist would even often say, repent and believe, repent and believe.
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And again, this follows this pattern of like, die and dedicate, you know, repent and believe.
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You know, turn from your sin and turn to Christ.
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But Jesus adds another element to this discussion of death and dedication.
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But we can't just discipline ourselves to, like, change our behavior and just religiously dedicate ourselves to his preferred demeanor.
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This death and dedication isn't really just like a religious behavior modification.
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You know, I've been called the legalist before.
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Oh, Dale, you're just talking about rule following.
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What Jesus is talking about, he talks about death and dedication, is supernatural rebirth.
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he's talking about the holy spirit entering into you changing you from the inside out yeah it has
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to be the holy spirit because if you're doing it is a behavior modification and or discipline
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thing you know 21 days makes a habit or however you know whatever the number of days is it's not
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going to last because it's not a holy spirit transformation no it's going to fade away it's
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going to fade away exactly and so this is why sanctification is to be driven by the holy spirit
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not by you um however we cooperate in that we're going to talk about that later in this episode
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but the solution jesus's solution to this because you know prior to the holy spirit come in and
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this idea that we're going to talk about in a second like you go wow like well do i just try
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harder is that what you want me to just try harder well no he actually says that we need to be born
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again and um if you listen to my episode on self-love you heard the concept that um well
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we all need to be born again because none of us were born right and therefore we all need to be
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born again and so that's why anybody who even has sin that they've dealt with as a child um or they
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say i was born this way i go well yeah i was born a sinner too that's why we all need to be born again
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and um and you know this idea uh i want to talk about born again see if you guys understand this
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from a biblical perspective and i'm going to use john chapter 3 verse 3 as my example is jesus
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is answering Nicodemus, and he says, Jesus answered and said to him, most assuredly, I say to you,
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unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. And so one thing I'm going to say
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is that if you can't see the kingdom of God, you won't be able to find the kingdom of God.
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So that's just one thing right there, is that you won't have eyes to see or ears to hear. And so I
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think he's saying here is that most assuredly I say to you, unless one is born again, you need to
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be born again in order to even see. And so I think a lot of you guys that are Christians listening to
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the show, I've recognized there was a moment in your life that you just go, wow, like I have new
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eyes. I have new ears. I have like a new sense of like morality or conviction in my heart. And so
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this is Nicodemus asking an obvious question about the claims of Jesus's ministry. What is Jesus
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always claiming the kingdom of God is at hand. It's near, right? And so he's asking him, like,
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how do I see the kingdom of God? Like, this kingdom of God you're talking about, what do you do to get
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there? And then Jesus answers him, most assuredly I said to you, unless you're born again, he cannot
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see the kingdom of God. And of course, Nicodemus is like, well, how the heck do I climb back into
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my mom's womb, right? He's asking the pretty obvious question. And, you know, this is a big
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statement for a Jew and I want to I want to explain this so that you guys have the two
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Jesus's words are applicable to the non-Jews in this moment because it's for Christianity as a
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whole universal but it's also the context we got to look at that this is also a Pharisee asking
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Jesus about this and so there's some Jewish context that I want to show you real quick
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And so this idea of being born again is kind of a big deal because Jews really thought highly of their ancestry, their birth line.
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They were of the seed or line of Abraham, and Abraham's seed was sufficient according to their doctrine, right?
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They were living in the promise of the seed that the whole nation would be blessed through his seed.
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And so this is why Jesus said in Matthew 3, 9, it says,
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And do not presume to say to yourselves that we have Abraham as our father.
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For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.
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And so he's saying like, hey, the seed of Abraham is not sufficient for the kingdom of God.
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um and so your your birth uh even a birth in the seat of promise if you were a hebrew at that time
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um is not sufficient you need to realize that your current state is is useless he's basically
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saying you're depraved and dead he's telling this to nicodemus and he actually says later in john
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i'm about to lay the axe head at the roots of the entire jewish religion that's what jesus came to
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do um when he talks about this idea that like the temple's gonna be torn down and then i'm
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basically going to raise it up in three days. Like these are huge statements to understand the
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context, what's going on. Um, what, what Jesus is really leading into is that you need to be
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renewed. You need to have the law of God stamped on your heart. You need to be regenerated. You
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need to be born of water and of the spirit. You need to be spiritually die through repentance.
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You need to get baptized, be born again. Um, and this is how you're going to have eyes to see and
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ears to hear the kingdom of God, Nicodemus. And this is why first Peter chapter two, verse three
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says, since you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable through
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the living and abiding word of God. And who's the word of God? Jesus, right? Jesus is the word made
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flesh, John chapter one. And so, you know, this is some fun theology stuff, but the idea is
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dedication and death is a really important process. And I want to ask you guys a really
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serious question have you died i see a lot of christians kind of walking around like half
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limping still alive you know um are you kind of partially dead um have you have you truly said
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father your will be done not mine your will be done not mine and and are you seeking his kingdom
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or your kingdom and you can't serve two masters you know this is an idea this is a really important
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question to ask yourself where are you at are you are you still seeking your own or are you
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seeking him yeah so as del mentioned uh the altar represents the moment of justification
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through christ but it does not represent the lifelong sanctification through relationship
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yeah so there's like that two-part side right there right like you can believe when you're a
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little kid be justified but that sanctification process is takes time yeah and it's lifelong
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like i just mentioned um so the next chapter is titled abide or depart and we're gonna look and
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see what jesus claims is the central ingredient to being a in a loving relationship with him
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um so a lot of people want to strengthen the relationship uh but we often go about that
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uh, in the wrong way or just in one of many right ways, I guess you could say. Um, for example,
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some people go to the mountains and sit in nature, hoping to get closer with God by doing that. Um,
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some people pray because they get to talk to God. Um, some people, uh, read the word because they
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get to hear from God. Um, oh, you know, some people like to worship, um, and sing because
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they want to feel close to God um but if relationship is built on love what does Jesus
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tell us about how to love him yeah I mean this is a it's so backwards because we we've manufactured
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a Christian culture that if you ask anybody in a crowd like how do you get close to Jesus
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like those are probably all the answers that you just said you know everyone had would have
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their own opinion on how they get closer to jesus i pray i i read the word you know i listen to
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podcasts or listen to sermons or you know whatever um and and so i want to talk about yeah what does
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it mean to love jesus according to his preferred way of love and what it means to really abide in
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his word and so uh john 14 15 says some words that jesus repeatedly says throughout the new
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testament he says if you love me you'll keep my commandments and and this is a pretty
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large theme of the gospels jesus saying this he actually says it like several times in one
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chapter of john that's like back to back he says like four or five different ways in one chapter
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And so the greatest way to show your affection to God is by keeping his commandments.
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It's actually Jesus' preferred way for us to display love and devotion to him.
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It's not the only way, but it's his preferred way.
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And I want to point out first that you can't keep a commandment that you're unaware of.
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um and i think many of us disobey god in ignorance like we just don't even realize
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that that's like a sinful thing um and again guys i'm not talking about keeping his commandments
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keeps us saved jesus keeps us saved okay i'm talking about relational love here so get just
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get that through your head for a second because i know i could just hear the comments flowing in
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right now oh my gosh you're talking about a workspace religion it's not what i'm talking
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about um and so we do have the holy spirit now that the old testament didn't have in terms of
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coming and living in us dwelling with us convicting us of sin righteousness and judgment and that's
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john 16 8 and he's john uh 14 26 also says that the holy spirit will teach us all things
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but the holy spirit doesn't overtake us he doesn't make us robotic like he doesn't overtake our life
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Like we don't just autopilot, you know what, the Holy Spirit's going to come in.
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This is why scripture teaches us that we can actually grieve the Holy Spirit.
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Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good and necessary for edification,
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And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God by whom you are sealed for the day of redemption.
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Okay, there's God's sovereignty, and then there's man's responsibility.
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There's God's sovereignty and man's responsibility.
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And again, this is one of those themes that's throughout Scripture that I could list 30 verses for.
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I don't have them right now, but there is a lot of this in the book.
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And so God plays a part by convicting, and you play a part by choosing to do the right thing, according to Scripture, keeping his commands.
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you know, following and being holy as he is holy
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is what it says in 1 or 2 Peter, I don't remember.
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is to make yourself familiar with God's commands to you.
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And this is clear in Scripture, 2 Timothy 2.15,
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be diligent to present yourself to prove to God,
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Love the Lord, your God with all your heart, mine.
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And so we're called to love the Lord with all your being.
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Well, you know his word, his precepts, his commandments, his expectations for us.
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thy word I have hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee like it's just this posture of
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like I just want to know your words so that I don't accidentally sin against you because I love
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you and I want to honor you yeah like it's knowing God's preferences I think even in our marriage we
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ask each other often like how do I you know how can I please you how can I behave differently
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what can I do around the house what can we do today right I was rearranging the homeschool
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room and you walked in and i could immediately tell that you didn't like it and in my flesh i
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wanted to get like frustrated and be like just let me do it and then you walk you walked away
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and you're just because you're just gonna let me do my thing and then i was like no this is dale's
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house too and he doesn't like it and so i want us both to like it so we'll figure something else out
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yeah and i thought that was a good statement that you said oh i want you to like it too
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and that was a good statement and yeah you we want to to meet each other's preferences and
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know each other's preferences and so we we seek to understand those things that we don't accidentally
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hurt each other yeah and that's not a situation where either of us would have been hurt but
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just the desire to please you yeah because yeah you have to see that room every day just as much
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as i do yeah no that's a good point anyway and so very small example it is but it's a good example
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And guys, do you know the New Testament commands God's expectation for us that you might not transgress against him?
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There's no amount of righteous law-keeping that's going to keep you saved.
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I'm talking about ordering your life according to the New Testament commands of Scripture.
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to live as a set-apart people, to honor God, to glorify God, to stand out in a way that loves
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people, that fulfills the Great Commission, that preaches the gospel, that supports and upholds
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truth, that makes people believe that Jesus is the Christ. Like, these are parts of the Christian
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life. And we're called to be obedient. I mean, period. We're called to be obedient. We're not,
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what does it say uh just because you're covered by grace should we continue sinning no certainly
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not as what paul says no we should not just because grace abounds like doesn't mean that
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we get to go and doesn't give you a free pass no we're called to be obedient um and so you know
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this is what jesus is saying if you love me you'll keep my commandments now um obedience is not the
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only way to love God, but I would say it is the best and first way to love God. And so when you
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go, man, I just want to love the Lord. Like the first thing in your head shouldn't be, well, I'm
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going to go and like pray with the Lord. Um, or I'm going to go and like worship the Lord. These
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aren't bad things. These are great things, important things, critical things. But Jesus didn't say,
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if you love me, you'll pray to me. Or if you love me, you'll go worship me. If you love me,
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you'll go read the word. I think that there's something deep about a willingness to be obedient
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that kind of is worshipful, that is honoring, that implies you know the word. Like obedience
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is the fulfillment of those things because you go, oh Lord, you know, hide your word in my heart
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I feel like they're not pursuing my will as their parent, but their will.
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And I don't feel like they care about me in those moments.
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I don't feel like they trust that my ways are wiser than their ways.
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And these are real emotions that I have when they are disobedient.
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Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child.
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And, you know, I think these ideas are rebellious in their hearts
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And so 1 Corinthians 6, 19 through 20, I say this all the time.
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Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you,
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whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
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For you were bought at a price, therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.
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Okay, so like first, you're just not even, you're not even yours.
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Like, you're not even allowed to make decisions on your own.
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I actually just put this on my Instagram stories today.
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Like, if you think of yourself as a servant of God,
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now you're a slave to Christ, is what the scriptures teach.
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Like, if you were a literal slave of Jesus Christ,
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you would go oh like lord can i go do this can i lord should i should i sell this house should i
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buy and should we move our family over here should i take this new job should i um what what should i
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be doing today lord what is my priority god what do you want me to do with my children here in this
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capacity how should i order my finances lord there's this posture that you go i just want to
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seek his will his will and and get his through through prayer through understanding through the
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word and through obedience and so god's looking for a yielded heart and a diligent seeker of him
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and that's what this chapter really concludes with and he loves children that i would say
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who are so concerned and even like disturbed at the idea of ignorantly or accidentally
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disobeying him it reminds me of the scripture in first peter three where it goes you know is um
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as sarah obeyed abraham calling him lord you know sarah's obeying her husband calling him lord as if
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he were god himself yeah um as of you know a fear of displeasing him yes exactly healthy fear yeah
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healthy fear of displeasing him exactly it's that you just go i just don't want to displease you
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Lord? Do you have that heart posture? Do you want to know the word of God so well that you can
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not accidentally or ignorantly do something that's sinful? And, you know, what he's looking
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for is sons and daughters who pray regularly, who worship regularly, who read the word regularly,
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but also who discipline themselves to keep his commandments and not because it saves us but
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because of the overwhelming gratitude that we have of his saving work for our sake and so
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that's my take on that on that chapter um any thoughts bravo so it's it's a fun it's a fun
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book and um you know these next couple episodes are just diving into some of those concepts i'd
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love for you guys to get a chance to go through the whole thing it's also an audiobook i had
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several people tag me and the i think audiobooks are becoming even more they've been pretty popular
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i mean with people commuting and driving all the time and flying and everyone wants something to
00:30:51.560
listen to while they're busy and i read it out whatever it is i read it in like an hour and eight
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minutes yeah the audio book is dale reading it it's not somebody else yeah which i i'm so mad
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save from success my other book i didn't read it it's the only book that i've written that i hadn't
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read i was sick or something like that and it's always so weird when i listen to it i'm like who
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is this person i've listened to it though that's he's probably not you he's probably a better
00:31:17.000
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legit professional story person and and she's you're better at stories than me
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you're funny so um i don't know you post some pretty funny memes the memes the one i'm literally
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like trying to hold back in a laugh right now because i was thinking about the gorilla one
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that you posted of the dads it's just like what girl has always looked like they're about to meet
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their daughter's boyfriend for the first time or something all the like serious faces i'm sorry
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this is totally off topic but it was just no it's good popped in my head randomly like 30 seconds
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before we got into this conversation oh there's so yeah the the christian meme space like i follow
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all the theology accounts so there it's like there's the christian memes that i think a lot
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of christians follow but then i follow all the theology accounts that are like higher thinking
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yeah you generally won't find the stuff at like Barnes & Noble
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We've been working with them for a couple weeks now.
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They're actually the creators of Logos Bible software,
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um and there's a uh a few books that i want to show you guys here so one is called christianity
00:33:23.260
considered subtitle is a guide for skeptics and seekers and this is by john frame and he's kind
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of like a philosophy major but also i think he's the president uh our chair of systematic theology
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and philosophy um uh at a theological seminary in orlando and um he's got a lot of really great
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content very apologetics uh type author and i just appreciate his stuff i would say like kind of in
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that ravi zacharias kind of space in terms of high thinking um arguing philosophy of christianity
00:33:55.420
and he has another one called we are all philosophers a christian introduction to the
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seven fundamental questions and so these are just good little resources and i think i showed you
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guys these maybe one of these last week there's a they're doing a series called the christian
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Essentials series, and they're doing it on a handful of topics. The first two are the Apostles
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Creed and the Lord's Prayer, and you guys can see these here. They're little five by seven books
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of the same size as my book, actually. Look at that. So they're five by seven hardback books,
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which I like that size, and they're very short, and they're really good, like pocket books,
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high-thinking books. They're really classy. You almost want them on your shelf, and so it just
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breaks down the apostles creed it breaks down the lord's prayer um and so i just wanted to talk
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about them and recommend them i've actually used these a handful of times already in my study time
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and you can check them out if you go to lexampress.com forward slash real christianity
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check them out okay until next time until next time all right we'll see you guys and talk about
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the next couple chapters of the book thanks for joining us guys take care