Dale Partridge - Real Christianity #75： Why Christians Should Celebrate Christmas

00:00:00.000 welcome to real christianity today we are talking about why christians should celebrate christmas

00:00:04.560 and if you're watching this on youtube you should know that because we're wearing red and green this

00:00:10.920 is the extent of our festivity festivistness um we're not that festive but we did kind of

00:00:18.160 coordinate this um so yeah a lot of people you think that all christians celebrate christmas

00:00:23.020 but actually um not all christians do celebrate christmas and we're going to give our reasons why

00:00:29.520 we personally celebrate Christmas and why we think Christians should, but we also respect

00:00:35.500 the decision of those Christians who don't.

00:00:38.940 And a lot of you guys appreciated the episode that we did on Halloween, and we had so many 0.87

00:00:44.340 people try to start applying the logic of Halloween, yeah, to Christmas, like why you're

00:00:52.200 not celebrating Halloween, and then they apply that to Easter and Christmas and, you know,

00:00:56.140 good Friday or whatever. Um, and, and just because the, the founding roots, um, were not in scripture

00:01:04.320 and sure. Yeah. The founding roots of Christmas are not in scripture. Neither are they for Easter

00:01:09.880 and neither are they for, uh, for, uh, you know, good Friday or any of the other church holidays,

00:01:15.700 whatever. Um, but we don't celebrate Halloween just because of where it started. We sell it.

00:01:22.500 We don't celebrate Halloween because of what it is.

00:01:24.300 It's the celebration of death, gore, horror, promiscuous and scandalous costumes, darkness, right?

00:01:30.640 And so I just want to remind you guys the massive difference that, you know, between Halloween and other holidays, and especially Christmas.

00:01:38.480 And there's really no redemptive quality in Halloween.

00:01:41.300 But Christmas, even St. Valentine's Day, Easter, Good Friday, you know, there's a massive opportunity for the gospel in these holidays.

00:01:50.480 And there is a redemptive quality of these of these holidays.

00:01:54.380 And again, we know some anti-Christmas Christians, anti-Christmas Christians.

00:01:59.160 That sounds like a bad title, but I don't want to be that guy who have chosen to not participate.

00:02:07.620 But again, you know, my statement for them is is this in our depraved and broken culture.

00:02:14.400 are we really going to evacuate the one time per year that Jesus is openly discussed in the public?

00:02:23.720 And that's just an important question.

00:02:25.580 It's like, man, this is a big opportunity here that culture is talking about Jesus.

00:02:30.800 And unlike Halloween, Christmas, again, has those huge redemptive opportunities,

00:02:35.160 especially if you eliminate the American perversions of Christmas like Santa Claus and materialism,

00:02:41.600 which we will talk about today.

00:02:44.400 Yeah. So last year we did an episode on Christmas. It's episode number 22 if you want to go back and listen to that.

00:02:49.720 And then today's episode is basically an updated version of that previous episode.

00:02:54.560 So you don't have to go back and listen to it because you're going to hear a lot of that same content here.

00:02:59.780 But here are some thoughts from us on the topic of Christmas for this year.

00:03:07.600 Yeah. As Dale said, it seems like every year we get someone messaging us to.

00:03:14.400 present to us why we shouldn't celebrate christmas and because a lot of people say that

00:03:20.400 we're elevating one day above another or why we shouldn't have christmas trees because the book

00:03:26.240 of uh jeremiah speaks against them um so dale's going to go ahead and address these two issues

00:03:31.520 and then i'm going to go ahead and talk about how we do gifts in our family and why we don't

00:03:36.420 include santa in our celebrations um i'll also go ahead and give you guys an outline of what

00:03:42.000 traditions that we do as a family um in our home and then what we're trying to accomplish by doing

00:03:48.060 those things um but dale is going to go ahead and open us up with a short historical background on

00:03:53.640 christmas and then we'll go ahead and dive in yeah so i think that you know a good question to

00:03:58.360 have an answer to is you know how do we get christmas what's where do we get this idea

00:04:02.400 of christmas um well the word comes from christ mass um that's where the word comes from in in

00:04:08.800 204 A.D., Hippolytus of Rome, St. Hippolytus of Rome's Christian Hippolytus, not the Greek

00:04:16.860 philosopher. In his commentary on Daniel, he actually wrote a commentary on Daniel, and you

00:04:21.520 can actually go find the line that he actually mentions this, but he calculated that Jesus was

00:04:25.980 born on December 25th, and it's actually not like a flippant calculation. He did like a pretty

00:04:32.160 serious calculation, and there's actually still even some modern-day scholars that end with

00:04:37.840 around Christmas as being the date of Christ's birth,

00:04:41.440 but, you know, no one will ever really know.

00:04:45.120 But, you know, and I would even say actually other church fathers

00:04:47.760 like Augustine even kind of agreed with this December 25th idea.

00:04:53.120 And this 25th date of December

00:04:56.060 basically became universally accepted by the church,

00:05:00.120 the early church, the Catholic church at that time.

00:05:03.380 And in Rome, you know, people always say,

00:05:05.480 oh, but there's just this pagan roots of Christmas.

00:05:08.000 Well, in Rome, there was a popular holiday held on the same day, December 25th,

00:05:14.100 and it had the name the Day of the Birth of the Unconquered Sun, S-U-N.

00:05:18.880 And this is basically a day of worship to the sun god.

00:05:24.540 And it's the idea that, you know, I think the shortest day of the year,

00:05:27.600 or, you know, at least they thought it was,

00:05:29.060 the shortest day of the year is around December 25th.

00:05:30.920 And so there's this kind of rebirthing of the sun that's occurring

00:05:34.420 from that day forward and so this is kind of that that's what was going on um i don't think

00:05:40.980 that christmas birthed out of that i actually think christians in an attempt to show superiority

00:05:44.600 of the one true god uh started celebrating jesus's birth and you know as an alternative

00:05:50.320 to that date around that same time you gotta understand the kind of societal and and political

00:05:57.060 context of all this and the religious state at that time but they started doing it really in

00:06:02.240 the form of kind of an early way of Advent, which we'll talk about here in a bit, too.

00:06:07.080 So Advent means just coming.

00:06:09.100 That's what the word means.

00:06:09.940 It's a Latin word.

00:06:10.720 And it's not just talking about his first coming that we kind of associate with Christmas,

00:06:15.020 the birth of Christ's coming.

00:06:16.640 But it's also his coming into your life.

00:06:19.220 And then the third coming, which would be coming back to judge the world, you know,

00:06:23.820 the revelation story, basically.

00:06:25.860 And Advent dates back in terms of a real practice of Advent, dates back to the 500s.

00:06:31.680 It's really the first, you know, four weeks, basically, before Christmas.

00:06:37.180 It's December 1st.

00:06:38.100 Starting December 1st.

00:06:38.980 Yeah, December 1st to the 24th.

00:06:41.840 And so, again, all this to say, was Jesus born on December 25th?

00:06:47.860 Nobody's going to know.

00:06:48.780 Nobody knows.

00:06:49.300 There's actually really great scholarly papers on all types of different dates.

00:06:52.620 But the point is not so much when Jesus was born, but the fact that Jesus was born that we're focusing on.

00:06:59.760 And we're going to celebrate that.

00:07:01.360 that's worth celebrating. And the Christmas season is really just, we got to continue to remember

00:07:08.700 that it's about a reflection time on the fact that God sent his son into the world so that we

00:07:15.820 might be saved. And that's really the heart of this. And I don't think there's anything wrong

00:07:20.400 with celebrating that reality. So before I dive into the doctrines of days and Christmas trees,

00:07:28.860 uh veronica is going to touch on santa claus gifts and share what we do as a family yeah um

00:07:36.420 so one thing that i'm learning is that tradition is a teacher um i've been asking myself what do

00:07:43.580 our family's traditions teach our children about god um do they complement the truth or do they

00:07:48.460 compete with it um and that's something that i often just ponder on when we're trying to

00:07:54.080 incorporate traditions or anything yeah we've been we just did this for thanksgiving you're just

00:07:57.920 really more intentional yeah and i try also to keep it pretty simple because in our season of

00:08:04.900 life it's just stressful to do more extravagant yeah um uh now if we apply that question to

00:08:11.460 christmas and specifically santa claus i think that we can find a conflict there um god commands

00:08:17.380 us not to lie and specifically to not bear false witness and that's going to be found in ephesians

00:08:22.400 uh 425 therefore laying aside falsehood speaking truth to one another or speaking truth truth each

00:08:29.200 one of you with his neighbor for we are members of one another um so regardless if it's fun or

00:08:35.120 whimsical or nostalgic or whatever it is uh when we teach our children that santa is real we are

00:08:41.620 bearing false witness to them and we are lying to our children and that specifically is just

00:08:46.180 something that we don't want to do. Yeah, and I think personally, just as a father, as the man

00:08:53.260 of the home, and the head of the home spiritually, I think that Santa is a distraction from Christmas,

00:08:59.440 and not like Christmas trees either, because Christmas trees are kind of like a peripheral

00:09:04.520 issue of Christmas. Santa is the culture's replacement for the figure of Christ.

00:09:10.740 That's really what it is. Santa is a replacement figure. Well, even if you think of the song,

00:09:16.180 he sees you when you're sleeping he knows when you're awake he knows if you've been bad or good

00:09:20.460 does it be good for goodness sake yeah those lyrics i'm like just replace that with jesus

00:09:25.200 christ yeah and the idea is that you've just applied the omniscience attribute to santa

00:09:31.740 yeah and to something that you're told and are eventually going to find out is not real it's not

00:09:36.460 real yeah and so so santa really shifts the focus from the gift of salvation um which is what we

00:09:42.500 should be focusing on Christmas time in the form of Christ to the entitlement of materialism

00:09:48.100 in the form of greed. And so it is a big shift for a child. And you can see this as you build

00:09:54.920 up an appetite in your child every year that they're waiting for Christmas to get gifts and

00:10:01.580 to get things. And if you continue to build that appetite into your child, they're going to

00:10:07.520 confuse what christmas is actually about and and again we should be really careful to not allow our

00:10:13.980 children's eyes to get diverted from christ to something that's far less significant like santa

00:10:18.240 claus which i mean even last night we were watching um uh some old like frosty the snowman

00:10:25.040 stuff and i don't mind the kids watching some of these you know these things i try to really

00:10:29.220 eliminate santa claus from everything and aria was asking me dad no i want to watch the rudolph

00:10:34.440 the red-nosed reindeer the one from like the 50s with the claymation and i was like like even for

00:10:38.980 me nostalgic i was like you know what all right let's just turn it on see how it goes we're about

00:10:42.620 four minutes in and i go nope turning it off boom i heard you doing that from upstairs yeah and so

00:10:47.960 i just i heard you even like put it on i was like oh all right we'll see how this goes yeah sure

00:10:52.640 enough a few minutes later i heard that whole scene play out yeah so yeah um i think but the

00:10:58.040 most uh most important reason why we don't include santa or saint nick or any other replacement

00:11:03.900 figure is if you tell your children that santa this person that you can't see is real and then

00:11:09.820 they find out when you're um find out later that you're deceiving them how do you expect them to

00:11:17.200 believe uh to believe you when you tell them that jesus is real yeah um do you expect them not to

00:11:24.780 apply that deceptive experience about santa to your own words about jesus yeah that's a really

00:11:31.180 important. Like that's the core piece right here is that if you tell your children about Santa

00:11:37.160 Claus and, you know, again, he's this person that you can't see, you know, um, and Ari's even asked

00:11:43.880 me about Jesus, like, why can't I see Jesus? So there's this kind of, you're putting this parallel

00:11:47.020 figure there and you tell them that he's real. And then they find out later, uh, which they will

00:11:52.160 that you're deceiving them and that you lied to them. Um, again, yeah. The question that you ask,

00:11:57.360 how do you expect them to not apply that deceptive experience to your words about Jesus?

00:12:06.760 It just doesn't make any sense.

00:12:08.380 And so this is a major trust-breaking opportunity for parents here.

00:12:13.020 And I would say it's unique, too, because it's actually a major trust-breaking opportunity

00:12:19.120 that's actually in a similar scenario to Jesus.

00:12:22.880 Like it's this figure that has omniscience, that cares about you, that's invisible, that you can't see.

00:12:30.060 There's kind of a similarity there.

00:12:31.660 So it's like I feel like it's a trap of the enemy in many ways.

00:12:35.700 And again, if you've already lied to your child about Santa, if you're this person that goes, oh, man, we've already done the Santa thing.

00:12:43.460 What I would do is I would just go, okay, let's go confess to our children.

00:12:50.000 Hey, you know what?

00:12:50.800 It's just a fun thing.

00:12:51.820 We made it up.

00:12:52.460 you know a lot of kids do that we actually feel uh like it's wrong and we shouldn't have done that 0.70

00:12:58.140 i'm sorry santa isn't real um uh you know will you forgive us for telling you that we shouldn't

00:13:05.240 have done that like depending on the age of your kids but um i think that's something to consider

00:13:11.220 because you want to redeem that moment so that they can trust you they might even ask you well

00:13:16.760 are you lying about jesus there's actually people that i've when i did a post about this

00:13:22.140 uh last year in the comment section i had several people say that they questioned jesus after their

00:13:28.260 parents told them that santa wasn't real yeah crazy um yeah so what do we do instead um our

00:13:35.300 family we celebrate the advent december 1st through the 24th um and that includes a few things um

00:13:40.900 remember that traditions teach and so we want to teach our children how beautiful christ's birth

00:13:46.860 truly was um not just for us but for the whole world um and kids need reminders as to what is

00:13:55.000 so beautiful about the redemption of advent or repetition excuse me repetition of advent

00:14:00.420 um so we use an advent calendar um i just bought a blank you know fabric one with a bunch of little

00:14:08.960 pockets and i kind of made up my own um in each pocket there are these little cards there's a

00:14:15.500 scripture on it that basically walks us through um you know the coming of jesus um and his birth

00:14:21.360 and there's some type of activity for us to do that makes it fun and we are not super rigid with

00:14:27.020 it like i don't know it's december 4th 5th today or something like that and i don't think i've done

00:14:32.320 one with them but we have read with them we've done the advent book already with yeah we've done

00:14:36.180 the book with them um so yeah we're not super rigid like we have to do it every single day

00:14:40.160 but it is something you know a little bit extra that's a little bit fun for them during this

00:14:45.300 season we also I have a lot of Christmas books that I bought over the last few years and so we

00:14:51.280 also read a book to them every night and that's been fun for them as well and then on Christmas

00:14:59.120 morning we will read them the Christmas story in the book of Luke as far as gifts go we do do gifts

00:15:07.260 in our family we typically just do one gift per child um plus their stockings and their stockings

00:15:13.700 are something usually like socks and toothbrush like nothing extravagant or crazy um but we usually

00:15:20.240 do try and do one gift per child um and then let's see we don't want our children to be more excited

00:15:27.640 about what they receive than what was given to them through christ so materials breeds entitlement

00:15:35.120 and entitlement breeds a lack of gratitude um so christmas is a great opportunity to model

00:15:42.520 generosity um serving one another we have a lot of things like that in our advent calendar

00:15:47.820 um so yeah and we have lots of conversations about things like that opportunities how they

00:15:54.100 can look for opportunities to serve someone else um but the main point is is your focus on the gift

00:16:00.580 or on the ultimate ultimate gift giver yeah and that's the good question for your home and it's

00:16:06.860 hard it's hard you'll realize how much influence the culture has had on you when you're like

00:16:12.520 trying to pull away and like not watch certain movies at the christmas season um not watch or

00:16:19.140 not not participate in certain activities and and not go and get your kids all these different

00:16:24.000 things and different gifts because you're trying to create usually a nostalgic experience from

00:16:29.520 your childhood that you really enjoyed in the flesh, all these gifts that were given to me,

00:16:33.900 and it made that time special. You can also make that same nostalgic experience with just giving

00:16:40.340 them one gift and allowing them to gift give as well and teaching them that it's actually better

00:16:46.160 to give than it is to receive. That's something really core to get into the kids. And so I want

00:16:52.460 to briefly just talk about the two doctrines that people sometimes struggle with. One is elevating

00:16:57.200 the days above another, and

00:17:01.060 the other one is on Christmas trees. And so

00:17:05.100 Romans 14, 5 through 6, and 0.92

00:17:09.040 this idea of elevating the days, the Jehovah's Witnesses actually take this doctrine

00:17:12.780 way out of context, in my opinion, but they

00:17:15.640 don't celebrate any days. There's no days elevated above one another.

00:17:22.260 And this passage says in Romans 14,

00:17:24.980 five through six, one person esteems one day above another. Another esteems every day alike.

00:17:30.540 Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day observes it to the Lord,

00:17:35.340 and he who does not observe the day to the Lord, he does not observe it. And so basically, you know,

00:17:42.540 what it's saying here is there's freedom, the right of the law of liberty, and as a Christian,

00:17:48.500 you're free to do so, to celebrate any certain day for any certain emphasis,

00:17:53.300 as long as it honors the Lord and it doesn't violate Scripture.

00:17:57.920 And that's what I would say is really key.

00:18:01.600 And, you know, because Christmas, yeah, is it biblical? No.

00:18:08.180 Is it extra biblical? Yes.

00:18:11.360 Is it unbiblical? No, not the way we're talking about it.

00:18:16.560 It can be, you can make it unbiblical, but Christmas is done in a way that honors the Lord and doesn't violate scripture is a great thing.

00:18:27.100 Now, if you, as it says, if, you know, it says, let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

00:18:32.380 Romans also talks about the idea of don't violate your conscience.

00:18:34.700 If you have a conviction, then don't do it.

00:18:37.920 It's not safe to violate your conscience.

00:18:41.760 But yeah, so that's one thing.

00:18:43.020 And then, you know, those families who choose not to celebrate Christmas. Great. That's fine, too.

00:18:48.780 Just as long as they make sure that their absence is both honoring to the Lord and doesn't violate Scripture.

00:18:56.900 Like they're not doing it because of a reason that is actually not honoring God.

00:19:02.560 Like they're not going to participate, even if there was an opportunity to go show the gospel to someone.

00:19:06.640 They're not going to like you don't want their absence to violate.

00:19:09.560 And so we have some freedom there, the law of liberty.

00:19:13.220 So I just go, hey, you know, we choose to do this as a family.

00:19:17.000 We think it's a great opportunity in culture that everybody's talking about Jesus for 25 days.

00:19:21.820 Yeah, I'm not going to run away from that.

00:19:23.340 I'm going to figure out ways to get creative, talk about Jesus, remind people of what Jesus is,

00:19:27.840 remind of the gospel message that they do need a savior.

00:19:31.240 And we're going to take advantage of that as a family in creative ways.

00:19:34.800 The second one is Jeremiah 10, 2 through 4.

00:19:37.900 and we get this all the time yeah it's either the santa claus thing or the christmas trees

00:19:42.760 that's like yeah during this holiday season those are the if they see a christmas tree in the back

00:19:47.660 of our instagram stories they're like do you know that christmas trees are an idol you know um and

00:19:53.080 and so let me read this passage to you and explain to you and if you do some googling um like if you

00:20:00.000 look at any scholarly article they're going to agree with me on this because i did all the research

00:20:05.060 as well. But yeah, like the Gospel Coalition or Desiring God or any of the major websites yet,

00:20:10.800 they're going to agree with what I'm saying here, because this is the context. If you look back in

00:20:15.560 all the commentaries that I've read in the 1500s, 1600s, 1700s, 1800s, they're also agreeing here.

00:20:21.100 If you look at the commentary anywhere, it'll generally agree and at least reveal to you what

00:20:26.520 this passage is really about, and it's not about Christmas trees. Okay, so Jeremiah 10, 2 through 4,

00:20:31.900 It says, thus says the Lord, learn not the way of the nations, nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens, because the nations are dismayed at them. 0.96

00:20:42.780 For the customs of the people are vanity.

00:20:45.820 Now pay attention.

00:20:47.160 A tree from the forest is cut down and worked by an axe by the hands of a craftsman.

00:20:53.380 They decorate it with silver and gold.

00:20:55.800 They fasten it with a hammer and nails so that it cannot move.

00:20:59.500 okay so um people go oh wow look that sounds exactly cut down a tree and you decorate it

00:21:06.220 with gold and silver like that must be a christmas tree no that's not what it's talking about um

00:21:11.200 this again first this instruction is specifically to the nation of israel under the old covenant

00:21:16.520 this is not a new testament doctrine um you know just regardless of of the doctrine we're going to

00:21:23.500 talk of the context here um secondly the context of the chapter makes it abundantly clear

00:21:29.300 that Jeremiah was condemning the practice of carving idols for worship,

00:21:36.040 not festively decorating Christmas trees.

00:21:38.920 And so they're talking about the idea of you cut a tree down,

00:21:42.660 you work it and carve it by the hands of a craftsman,

00:21:45.680 turning it into a wooden idol, decorating it with silver and gold,

00:21:50.620 and then fastening it down so that it can't move.

00:21:56.180 This is talking about the forming and carving out of an idol that they worship.

00:22:00.640 And the very next verse actually reads,

00:22:03.000 quote,

00:22:03.340 Like a scarecrow in the cucumber field are they, and they cannot speak.

00:22:08.120 They must be carried, because they cannot walk.

00:22:10.740 Do not fear them, for they can do no harm, nor can they do any good.

00:22:15.980 And so they're not talking about a Christmas tree,

00:22:17.740 because nobody thinks a Christmas tree can walk.

00:22:19.560 They're talking about the fact that they carved a piece of wood

00:22:21.600 into looking like some sort of creature or person decorated it and they're worshiping it.

00:22:27.840 And Jeremiah is pointing out that we don't need to be afraid of these false gods

00:22:31.420 and that they're idols and that they're lifeless carvings and they're not really gods at all.

00:22:36.640 And yes, if people are sitting there and they're worshiping and praying in front of their Christmas tree

00:22:41.160 and they're worshiping their Christmas tree, then you've got a problem.

00:22:43.840 But I don't think anybody that I've ever seen worships their Christmas tree.

00:22:50.920 And so, you know, again, they're extra biblical.

00:22:54.980 Doesn't mean they're necessarily unbiblical.

00:22:57.420 They're actually, you know, the custom that kind of came from Christmas trees, the 13th century, is this idea of the evergreen tree, right?

00:23:06.120 So the trees like in the Northwest, they're like pine trees, right?

00:23:10.580 And the fact that in winter, everything dies except the evergreen trees.

00:23:15.220 They stay alive.

00:23:16.180 They stay green.

00:23:17.460 And in the 13th century, it was basically kind of a symbolic representation of Jesus.

00:23:22.780 Like, look, this tree that has life, like the tree of life.

00:23:26.080 Jesus is actually represented as a tree in scriptures.

00:23:29.420 Again, we're not using the tree and worshiping the tree as Jesus.

00:23:32.400 That's not what I'm saying.

00:23:33.360 But it's a symbolic idea, and it's fun, and it's nostalgic.

00:23:37.700 And, you know, you can totally eliminate the tree if you want to do Advent without a tree.

00:23:43.380 I'm just saying is that don't be afraid of the tree because you think that it's condemned by scripture because it's definitely not condemned by scripture.

00:23:50.580 It's just extra biblical, just like light bulbs and doorknobs are extra biblical.

00:23:55.760 You're not going to, you know, the doorknobs in your house, you don't have to go get rid of them.

00:23:59.560 They're actually, they're not unbiblical.

00:24:00.660 They're extra biblical.

00:24:01.800 And so that's what we do as a family.

00:24:05.960 We take all our doorknobs off and then we, no, I'm kidding.

00:24:09.420 But we do have a Christmas tree.

00:24:10.700 we do gifts um we don't do santa claus we do the advent season and that seems to be really fun for

00:24:18.200 our family um and you know hopefully that's helpful for you guys i don't know if you have anything

00:24:23.600 yeah and and in terms of the santa stuff just you know um if again if you've if you've already

00:24:34.480 told your kids about santa just spend some time with the lord praying about how to confront that

00:24:38.420 issue, but I do think it's wise personally. That's just my perspective. If you guys are a regular

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00:24:56.260 on Shopify, on Spotify, on YouTube, Google Play, and maybe even Pandora now. I think we're in the

00:25:08.080 middle of getting Pandora, uh, for the episode there too. And another big thing that I wanted

00:25:13.200 to share is that guys, we hit our ministries goal for 2019. Um, so thank you guys so much for

00:25:20.320 making donations this year. We, we met our goal, our financial goal and our budget and what a huge

00:25:26.980 blessing it is. So any donations that come in after this, uh, you know, December here are going

00:25:33.440 to go to funding the next year. So we're kind of ahead of ourselves a little bit and that feels

00:25:37.020 really good um so thank you guys for your support this year and um next episode veronica and i are

00:25:43.920 gonna maybe do some back and forth q a just kind of get out of the i did some heavy theology back

00:25:49.200 to back to back to back so we might just do a little fun episode for our next one and we will

00:25:54.140 see you next wednesday all right see you guys

Dale Partridge - December 11, 2019

Real Christianity #75： Why Christians Should Celebrate Christmas

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