Real Christianity #82： Five Questions with Dale
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In this episode, Pastor Dale and I talk about how he became the man he is today. We talk about his early life growing up in Southern California and how he ended up in the middle of nowhere, living on a farm in Oregon.
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welcome to real christianity today we are talking about q a with dale q and a with dale and the only
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reason it's not q a with dale and veronica is because next week is going to be q a with veronica
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and so uh we're gonna do some questions with me today and then you guys get to stay tuned for
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questions with veronica um welcome to the show if it's your first time listening to our podcast
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that a husband that wants to invest into their marriage um yeah we'll just move on from there
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i was going to say something else but we're not going to um jumping right in yeah i i think the
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purpose of this guys is that i think people need to realize that we're just regular people
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yeah this q a isn't like a some of the q a's that we've done in the past where it's on theology
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or certain circumstantial type situations um and how the bible applies to it this is a q a
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yeah and we just want people to understand that yeah
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spot on a different part of the journey that the Lord
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but also Dale just the Christian man so go for it okay let's start off with how old you are and
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where did you grow up I'm 53 no I'm kidding I'm 34 I was born April 10th 1985 so I'm an 80s baby
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and I actually remember writing down 1989 on some things and I think it was kindergarten I guess or
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preschool but i just remember writing the year 89 down i don't remember writing the year 89 down
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well because you were just a baby i was born in 89 yeah i was raised in southern california
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so i haven't lived my whole life here in oregon in the woods people sometimes think oh dale you're
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weird theology you don't know the real world because you live in the middle of nowhere in
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the middle of the woods on a farm in oregon um yeah i i do live in the middle of a farmland in
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Oregon and in the middle of the state now, which actually is kind of a big town. There's about 80
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to 100,000 people to live here. So it's not that small, but we spent 29 years, 28, 29 years in
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Southern California, about 45 minutes outside of LA, maybe an hour outside of LA. Yeah. We were
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both born and raised there. Yeah. And so that's my life there. I played baseball as a kid. I did
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boy scouts as a kid before boy scouts compromised on their values um but i did that you know all the
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way up from like tiger cubs to cub scouts boy scouts and that was a really big part of i think
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developing who i am a love for the outdoors that's probably why i enjoy being in oregon
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so much camping as a kid uh so much outdoor uh lifestyle as a kid um i was a river rat and if
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you're from southern california you know that there's what everybody in southern california
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calls the river is actually the colorado river that runs through arizona and nevada um and so
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i would go there boating like wakeboarding boating all from when i was like a little child
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like four years old until i was probably in my 20s um every summer it's like 120 degrees there
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it is it's like legitimately that hot and i just lived there all summer it was a really great
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experience as a kid and skateboarding. So I was another just total Southern California skateboard
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kid, um, listened to punk rock music. And that was, you know, like as, as deep as you can get
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into skateboarding. I was, I was, um, sponsored by a few different companies. I was competing
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in skateboarding. I still love skateboarding. Um, if I could get over to a skate park, I have a
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skateboard recently like within the last year i've done a 360 flip just letting you guys know
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for those that know at 34 at 34 years old yeah and a and a crooked grind down a rail so just
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letting you know that's that's still possible dale side note well not side note but how do the uh
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central oregon skate parks compared to the southern california skate parks okay yeah so i don't know
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very big reason why you don't skate as much yeah who designs these skate parks here i don't know
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um but southern california i mean it's it's where like the birth of skateboarding happened
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so there is just incredible skate parks in southern california but oregon it's just
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yeah they're like designed for the razor scooters or something like that that's what's happened is
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that the skate parks are really razor scooter parks or for like rollerbladers and true i see
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a lot of homeschool moms are their kids on scooters gosh yeah so yeah that's a an issue
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of contention um okay moving on uh were you raised in a christian home and how did you learn so much
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about the bible um yeah so no i wasn't raised in a christian home um if there was a god uh it was
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jesus and so you know did we believe in jesus yeah like there was some praying that happened
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you know occasionally occasionally um like i remember my mom having like a john 3 16 like
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uh what do they call like the when you like um weave in a like a picture onto a little
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like a little tapestry there you go like a little tapestry but it has like the circle
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you know i'm talking about like embroidered yeah like that you like i forgot what they're called
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needle point kind of thing i don't know anyways so like a tapestry with like john 316 on it in
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the bathroom i remember those kind of things um you know we went to church maybe once or twice a
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year holidays holidays yeah and so i wouldn't say that i was raised in a christian home um we were
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raised in a like an american home um that believed in jesus and i think most people believed in jesus
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at least especially when i was a kid um i i kind of ran with a hard crowd um even as early as junior
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high and high school um and was kind of into the the wrong things and you know that in my in my
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younger years, and I actually had several friends die by the time I was 20 years old, 21 years old,
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you know, that I think took the lifestyle that we were living as teenagers more extreme,
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overdosing in drugs, drunk driving, suicide, car accidents, just, it was a really crazy,
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you know period of my life and and something that was the lord has definitely protected me and and
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and rescued me from and so my parents divorced when i was 17 um so i don't come from a real
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put together situation i have a brother who's um who's seven years younger than me and so that was
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a big deal for him um it was a big deal for me too but it was it was a much bigger deal for him
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I became a Christian out of a night of sleeplessness at age of 20, and that was in 2005 that I became
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a Christian, and I'm not going to necessarily share the whole details of my testimony, but
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basically, I couldn't sleep, and I was away on a trip, and I couldn't get to bed. I just
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couldn't, so I waited the entire next day. I went to this conference that I was at, out of town,
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And, um, and then I, I, uh, later that evening tried to go back to bed again and it was going
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on, you know, I don't know, 40, some 50 hours or something like that, no sleep.
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I started to get a little bit scared and it, it led me to kind of a terror and putting
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And if he'd let me sleep that I would follow him.
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And I ended up having someone drive me home that evening.
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I woke up, and I've been a Christian ever since.
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And so I didn't have the classic gospel preached to me in certain circumstances.
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And I really do remember a renewal, like a regeneration the next day.
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And that's when you first started going to church.
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Yeah, first started going to church, and that was a big part of that journey.
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And so I built my foundation of my faith through Sunday sermons.
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I mean, that's kind of how I really heard the gospel originally, kind of had a better grasp on what was going on.
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at 29 i started reading the bible more intentionally and we had lived we had lived in
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we moved to oregon that year or was it yeah that year earlier that year yeah so i i started reading
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the bible more intentionally when we got here um maybe it was even 28 anyways by age 30 i was
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reading theology and i was being discipled intentionally discipled by um a gentleman
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who was much older than me and much more mature than me that was a game changer for both veronica
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and I at 32 I was preaching regularly and I was bringing sermons and preparing sermons and I
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enrolled at the end of that year in seminary and then at 33 we planted a church and I started
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pastoring so I've been pastoring now for almost two years and then now today I'm still in that
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seminary graduate studies program and I'm I have this semester and one more semester and then I
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will finish the graduate studies program for Western Theological Seminary. And so that'll be
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a big deal. So that's kind of my background of how I know the Bible. It's, you know, I wasn't
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raised in a Christian home and raised by a pastor and knew all this stuff as a child. It's very
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fresh to me, actually. Yeah, cool. Okay, so a lot of people know about the several books that you
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have written in the past, but can you tell us about the books that you want to write in the
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future yeah so there's you know I've written my first book was when I was in the business world
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because again a lot of people don't realize that you know for the last up until what three years
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ago or two and a half years ago we were in the business world and so I was an entrepreneur
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well known in the entrepreneurial space that's actually where most of our following came
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and I wrote a book called people over profit that became a Wall Street Journal bestseller
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and was a still a very successful book on my philosophy on business it's definitely christian
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founded on christian core values for sure and then launch your dream and then save from success
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which is my first i would say christian book save from success was and then my most recent book
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which is real christianity it's like gone from business business half business half christianity
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to full christianity yeah exactly making that transition was was a part of that so yeah i want
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to write a bunch of books i think i'm going to probably be the guy that maybe writes you know
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lord willing 50 60 books um i i need to write it's a part of what i do and um i read so much
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that i need to write because it's kind of this it's how you process it is how i process and you
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think about it is that writing is a form of giving and so you need to when you fill yourself up with
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reading you you basically give it out through writing and so you start you know forming your
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who you are what you say you start regurgitating basically these ideas in your words and and so
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that's a big part of who i am if you don't read you you actually run out of material to write on
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and because it's like giving and giving and giving without having anything to give
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And a lot of people I know only write one or two books because they just blow all of their knowledge and wisdom on these two books because that's all they have.
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If they're not continuing to learn and to read, you'll run out of material.
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So I want to write a book on manhood really bad.
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and kind of something about the seven crowns of a man
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coming up here in less than a month or about a month.
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um and so marriage that would be something that we maybe we tackle like after we've been married
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for another 10 years who knows but but eventually um the church i i do have a book that's coming out
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here real soon uh that's more like a doctrinal statement but it's also kind of a book it's
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called biblical church uh understanding the doctrines convictions and liturgy of a biblical
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house church and so that's coming out this year and i do want to write a book a bigger book around
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the topic of the church and what does biblical church look like uh lord willing i'll write a
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365 day devotional i do these like short snippets of writing um on instagram and i have so many of
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them i have like six or seven hundred of them and they're i need to collect them edit them and put
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them into something at some point but i i love devotionals i read one which we'll talk about
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later here in a second so i just would love to do that and i already have names for some of these
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books too but i'm not going to share them um suffering and trials um us going through which
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we'll hear about next week veronica and i's suffering through lyme disease and its co-infections
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which are, in many cases, worse than the Lyme disease.
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I spent a lot of time reading about theology, remember that,
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I went to places that you don't go until you're hurting.
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those resources that existed when I was suffering.
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And then another book that I'm working on right now is called, well, we don't know if we'll call it, but the idea is simplifying some sort of, it's a theological book, but simplifying it.
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I found that so many people in the church, they've been Christians for 10, 15 years, and they don't know like a lick of theology.
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They don't know that there's 66 books in the Bible.
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if i asked them the question why does jesus have to be fully man and fully god they probably
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wouldn't have an answer for that if i asked them what is sin like a biblical definition of sin
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they might not have an answer for that and it's because we've lacked this catechism culture and
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you know we're not raising our kids to really know the doctrinal truths of scripture and um and so
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we have all these adults that are actually in the situation and so i want to write a book that
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simplifies that maybe, you know, uh, some sort of a catechism of, of, you know, maybe 50, 60
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questions that you can ask and learn. And so, um, there's this weird thing that's happening right
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now where you're either a churchgoer, um, and then the next step is, uh, seminary. There's like
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nothing in between. It's like, I want to read my Bible more. There are some churches out there
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to offer classes and stuff on certain topics or yeah books of the bible for seasons but it's like
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i want to go deeper but i don't want to go to seminary um you know there's not much in that
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middle space and that's where i'm hoping to to put that that uh that book so yeah those are the
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books that at least that i know right now on my heart and uh hopefully i'll listen to this 10
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years from now oh look those are already all written now yeah hopefully that'd be awesome
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um okay how do you maintain your spiritual health and what disciplines are a part of your daily and
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weekly routine lots of people ask that question and i'm sure you've probably heard us answer this
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before on the podcast but we still get that question all the time frequently yeah so three
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principles that i take into my daily quiet times uh second timothy 2 15 which is be diligent to
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show yourself approved to god a worker who does not need to be ashamed rightly dividing the word
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truth and so first it's a diligence make sure that you're you're diligent to do this in your time
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you're not just like checking something off like you're really trying to study and show yourself
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approved that you actually reading and understanding what you're reading and that you're diligent about
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it and the second thing is the first and what jesus says the first is the greatest commandment
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first and greatest commandment to love the lord your god with all your heart with all your soul
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and with all your mind and so there's that third part i think that a lot of us forget about and so
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you have the heart uh which i think the culture is really good because that kind of aligns with
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emotionalism like i love god with my heart like that's worship music and that you know that's
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that's true and that that's an important part of it um with your soul and this i would say is just
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could be kind of blended in with that uh but also i would say you know has some truth more truth
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connected to it. But then with your mind, it's really the mental state of understanding who God
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is. And so I want to make sure that I understand God intellectually. And that's another part that
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I'm not afraid of deep thinking books. I'm not afraid of studying theology and having deep
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thoughts about God. And then the last one is from, I think it's first Timothy, but it's the idea of
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paying attention to the doctrine or paying attention to the public reading of scripture
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and to the doctrine. And so I don't just want to read the Bible. I don't just want to study the
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Bible, but I actually want to understand the doctrine. And meaning that what I would say
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even is called systematic theologies. I want to actually understand the systems of God's
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truths that have already been defined for the most part through church history. And so there's
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already a doctrine on the Trinity. There's already a doctrine on who Christ is. It's called
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Christology. And I want to understand those things. And those are really important. In terms of a
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practicality of what I do in the morning, I guess one thing that's kind of fun is that I wake up in
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the morning, I get up with the kids, and I give Veronica about an hour so she can do her quiet
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time and, and then, and get ready and things like that. But, um, I want her to have that time. And
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then she comes out and then I go up and do my quiet time and she takes on for the rest of the
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day. Um, and so my quiet time usually lasts about 60 minutes. Um, it starts with a variety of
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different books and tools. Um, I, I first try to start with prayer. It says, um, Psalm 100 verse
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four says enter into his gates with thanksgiving and into his courts with praise be thankful to him
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and bless his name and so um i start with prayer and gratitude and thanking god hey lord i'm here
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i'm living um i bring my my requests my my gratitude my my frustrations the things my
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needs to him in that day and my prayer requests for our church for our family um i i really want
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to be a pastor that can say, I pray about our church and I pray for the members in our church
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and I pray for the unity in our church. That's another priority for me. Um, and I, uh, I, I read
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a couple books. So one of them is the Valley of vision. It's a, you can get in a little leather
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back, leather, leather back, I guess, leather bound. There you go. Um, version it's, it's old
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Puritan prayers. Um, and you know, it's a really great little prayer book because sometimes we
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don't know how to pray, or we don't realize how elementary our prayers are until we read
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prayers of these really mature saints. And you go, wow, this guy's thinking way deeper than I'm
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thinking. And it helps me grow in my prayer life, thinking about those things. And I read a lot of
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Puritan work. And the Puritans are awesome group of people, basically from, you know, the 1500s to
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the early 1800s and um most of them are calvinists you guys know if you guys listen to my show i'm
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not a calvinist but i still really appreciate the puritan work um and i read a devotional um
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that's one i did last year it's called um voices from the past and that's a really great resource
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it's puritan a variety of puritans one page every day a little devotional right now i'm actually
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doing Charles Spurgeon's Morning and Evening, and I'm enjoying it. I'm not enjoying it as much as
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Voices from the Past, though. I read a theological book, like one chapter, and so meaning that some
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sort of Christian book. I was reading a parenting book last week. This week, now I'm reading a book
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on strategic evangelism. I read a sermon a week. And so I'm a big fan of John Wesley. So I'm reading
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one of his 52 sermons every week. And then the last thing that I do is I read the Bible. And so
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I read at least one chapter of the Bible and I really sit there and try to read it, understand
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it, study it. It might only be a few verses. It might be the entire chapter. And this is outside
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of my sermon prep time and outside of my seminary work. So this is really, and I get it, you know,
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it sounds like a lot, but you, you know, you read the prayer book, it takes like three,
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four minutes. You read your devotional, it takes like five minutes. You read your chapter of your
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book, it takes, you know, 12 minutes, 15 minutes, you know, then you're jumping into, you know,
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the Bible, you know, you have your prayer time. You can get this done in about an hour, but it
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just gives me a really robust spiritual time with the Lord. And I'll even sometimes listen to worship
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music and worship him and I go to a private place and do this and so that's that's my that's my
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routine I do that usually five days a week very rare that I do it less than four days a week
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Saturdays and Sundays I try to do it but it doesn't usually happen yeah Saturdays you're
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like wrapping up sermon stuff and trying to get that yeah I'm already in the word at such an
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extensive level for for sermon prep on friday and saturday that i usually you know will move
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things around and sunday i'm preaching and resting and yeah okay so as you just shared you read a lot
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can you share three of your favorite books i feel like you've already mentioned at least one of them
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yeah so if you're watching this on video you can see my little library back here and this is
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actually quite of it yeah some of this is quite new i've actually picked up a lot of these books
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over the last year or so, and seminary does that, I think, to you. You have to read a lot,
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and pastoring does that to you because you have to be able to have the answers
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for a lot of people's questions. So I read about 25 to 30 books a year. I'm not the guy that can
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pull off a book a week. I'm the guy that usually pulls off about a book every two weeks. I'm
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reading like a short book right now. It's 100 pages, and I'll finish that in a week.
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um and so uh my favorite authors i'm going to start with and then i'll say some books
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um so i love aw tozer um aw tozer is probably yeah the way he thinks is most similar to me
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and so if you want to understand a lot about who i am and how i think theologically i would say
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tozer's the right person to represent me in that i've read a good chunk of his work um and i have
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a few that i haven't read yet but i really appreciate his books the puritans as i said
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um you know anybody in that you know um thomas watson is fantastic um some people would call
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charles spurgeon in that sermon era um uh this guy from behind me on the quote you can't see
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uh george swinock um he's he's awesome um and there's just there's so many there that you can
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um that you can look at and uh so the puritans just looking them up doug wilson has become a
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new favorite of mine we actually went and got a chance to spend some time with doug a couple
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a month ago now and so i really appreciate doug's written a hundred and something books 104 books
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maybe. And so I really like his style. And so I'm reading some of his stuff. And then John Wesley.
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And so I'm a big Wesley fan. In terms of the books that I love, The Pursuit of God is probably my
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favorite book. It's 100 pages. It's A.W. Tozer's, I would say, his crown jewel in terms of his work
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that he's done and the concept is that true love is basically pursuing god even though you've
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already found him and so the pursuit of god is this it's for christians who already found god
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but you're still pursuing him and he he hits such a variety of topics in that book but really lays
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a deep um heart for for for devotion to god voices from the past which i mentioned before
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there's a volume one and volume two and that's a devotional set those are produced by banner of
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truth and then doug's doug wilson's uh why children matter i just read that i added it there
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not because i don't have other great books but i really appreciated that book it was just really
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good especially for fathers and so if you're looking for a children's book not a children's
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book a book on children and you're a parent that's a great one um i'm going to close with
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if we are sufficiently interested to make the effort.
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The major cause of the decline in the quality of current Christian literature
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To enjoy a great religious book requires a degree of consecration,
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consecration to God and detachment from the world
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The early Christian fathers, the mystics, the Puritans,
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but they inhabit the highlands where air is crisp and rare field and none but the god enamored can
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come there and so that's the perspective that i have is that you go a book that's really hard to
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read you might be intimidated by it um you're capable of reading it you know and i think
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veronica has been on this journey of like learning her capability you know you've been tackling some
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harder books lately and and you know I would say maybe share your story real quick on just like
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being intimidated on learning and being intimidated on certain books and what you've done kind of
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breaking through that yeah since it's the end of the show I'll just be very long what could be a
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very long story I'll make it quick long story short I had a terrible education and because
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you know kindergarten through high school I skipped school I was around not skip school but
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like went from school to school different schools always having to start fresh new friends I was
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probably a little bit delayed in the way that I learned I just didn't fit into the typical system
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and so it made me hate learning I hated learning I hated reading I wanted nothing to do with it
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and so I didn't really start reading until pretty much I got pregnant with Aria because I was like
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okay well um I'm gonna have this baby and I don't know what I'm doing um what is childbirth about
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what is raising children about so that's kind of when I started reading um and I was like well
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there's actually like some really good information out there as I started reading and then um yeah
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the more kids I've had and the longer I've been married and things like that I've just picked up
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books here and there that I've thought look interesting um and so I've I've I read way
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more now than i ever have um but i still definitely i wouldn't say like i you know
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read tons and tons of books but it's yeah it's just as she's been able to come up to this higher
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level of of education that intimidated her before yeah i wouldn't want to read a book just based off
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of how thick it was or what the cover looked like because i was like oh that looks hard yeah um and
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now that's changed. Yeah. And I mean, I, I even still, I might be intimidated by a book,
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but I want to learn. Yeah. Or I have the, I have the desire to learn now where I didn't before.
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Amen. Amen. So, um, thanks for joining. Hopefully that was helpful that you guys got a chance to
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know a little bit about me and my past. And, um, next episode that's coming out next week will be
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on Veronica and we're going to ask her similar questions, but a little bit different. And a few
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questions that that weren't asked to me and um so again thanks for joining this episode guys