Dale Partridge - Real Christianity #83： Five Questions people ask about Veronica

00:00:00.000 welcome to real christianity today we are talking about me five questions with veronica

00:00:07.160 and if you didn't hear last week's episode it was five questions with dale and so now i'm going to

00:00:14.260 ask questions and veronica doesn't even know what these questions are i'm nervous and so she's

00:00:18.960 nervous to to be able to uh i don't like knowing something's coming but not knowing what it is

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00:02:46.680 for you how old are you and where did you grow up i am 30 years old just turned 30 well i guess just

00:02:55.240 a few months ago um and i grew up in southern california um in good old rialto california

00:03:01.480 is where i grew up fontana for like my young childhood then junior high we moved to rialto

00:03:06.840 which is right next door i lived there pretty much until we got engaged like right before i got

00:03:12.580 engaged and your grandparents lived next door and my grandparents lived next door and you lived

00:03:17.860 right next to a freeway across the street from a freeway yes and a lower income neighborhood yeah

00:03:23.220 and this is yeah because this is like something for those that like live on a farm and live in

00:03:27.940 the middle of ohio it's like a weird thing to think about like veronica lives on a southern

00:03:31.440 california freeway which is like a well when we first moved there the freeway wasn't there

00:03:35.120 yeah when i was 12 there was no freeway there was just a massive field and then they put this

00:03:39.760 massive freeway in there like a few years after we moved like a 10 lane freeway oh yeah like

00:03:44.580 huge it's definitely a main freeway down there um and that was just you know there's our street

00:03:51.240 there was one house across the street a little bit of the field and then the i mean you could

00:03:55.220 see the on-ramp and off-ramp from our front porch and you you have uh some siblings yes i have an

00:04:02.820 older brother and an older sister i'm the youngest um my brother they're both technically my half

00:04:08.660 siblings um my brother is eight years older than me and lives in texas and my sister is five and a

00:04:17.180 half almost six years older than me and she lives in la okay so um sometimes people wonder they

00:04:25.120 they make an assumption that you and i were raised in a christian home um that you know we kind of

00:04:30.440 learned all the things that we know about family and marriage or the bible because we were raised

00:04:35.940 in these kind of homes that nurtured that as children so were you raised in a christian home

00:04:40.240 and um how and when did you come to christ um okay so i wouldn't necessarily say i was raised

00:04:47.940 in a christian home i was raised um in a home that knew who jesus was i mean in god um i was

00:04:57.120 i grew up catholic if anything um and i was put in catholic school from kindergarten through sixth

00:05:02.840 grade um with pockets here and there while i was going to the catholic school my parents started

00:05:08.660 on sundays you know going to a calvary chapel for like two of those years or something like that

00:05:13.660 um but yeah i wouldn't say i was a christian um i didn't become a christian until i was 18

00:05:20.040 um and that's because i was dating this guy in high school and his dad was a senior pastor

00:05:26.540 of a mega church down there in california um and i went to go visit the church one sunday

00:05:33.400 and his dad just preached a really powerful message and the holy spirit woke me up and

00:05:39.760 i gave my life to christ that sunday um so yeah i became a christian in december of uh when i

00:05:47.240 turned 18 2008 2008 yeah yeah and um and so yeah you you didn't have this modeled for you as a kid

00:05:56.020 no even though i was going to a catholic school um from kindergarten through sixth grade my parents

00:06:02.460 we didn't go to church together like i went to mass with my catholic school with my class every

00:06:07.880 wednesday well during school hours but my family together we never went to church even to the

00:06:13.920 catholic church together um like i said for a short season on sundays we were going to a calvary

00:06:18.280 chapel um down the road and i think you know there were some seeds planted there for sure um i had an

00:06:25.700 uncle that was a pastor so my parents were never like anti-christian yeah i think that they might

00:06:31.040 say that they would be christians um but there was no fruit yeah yeah you weren't at a spot

00:06:39.440 where it was like your your dad wasn't reading scripture and and walking you guys the family

00:06:43.500 you're modeling a biblical marriage in terms of um headship and submission and my parents were

00:06:48.420 the same way i mean it was just kind of classic america like we're christians you know like if

00:06:54.740 there's a god it's jesus um okay so i remember this is the number question number three

00:06:59.720 and this is probably a bigger one i remember last year this is someone who actually asked

00:07:06.640 this question i remember last year hearing that both you and dale were diagnosed with

00:07:11.060 lyme disease and a few co-infections how is your health now and what has god taught you

00:07:17.520 in the process of healing yeah so summer of 2018 2018 august of 2018 i guess it was technically

00:07:25.880 july um i was bit by an insect i never saw what it was um likely a tick or a spider you felt it

00:07:33.120 i felt get the bite yes um on the river yeah and as i i felt the pain i you know slapped my leg

00:07:40.040 like ow something just bit me but i never saw what it was um and then within five days i had

00:07:46.500 a bullseye rash on my leg which I'm very grateful that I got because only 20 percent of people get

00:07:51.080 the bullseye rash um went to the doctor first doctor I saw said you're crazy there's no Lyme

00:07:56.560 disease on the west coast you don't have Lyme disease she almost Veronica almost oh I totally

00:08:01.200 would have taken her word for it I'm like okay she like totally neglected it and I was like

00:08:05.160 that's not a normal bite that looks weird like I was like it's all looks weird because I've been

00:08:10.400 scratching it so much it's totally fine but yeah we're so glad for Dale's persistence um because

00:08:15.700 yeah if it wasn't i'd probably be much worse figuring out what the heck's going on we would

00:08:20.000 have no idea yeah um so yeah we like i said the first doctor kind of discredited whatever i had

00:08:28.820 to say um and we took a photo of it and sent it to our personal general practitioner doctor who

00:08:35.680 we've also hung out with a couple of times she's a friend um so we had her cell phone number so

00:08:40.700 you took a picture of it and sent it to her and immediately she's like yeah that looks like

00:08:45.240 lyme disease like you might have gotten bit by a tick or something um go see this doctor because

00:08:50.820 he's more knowledgeable in that area than i am so we did i got tested um and for those of you who

00:08:58.720 might ask what that test was called it's called the igenex test um very expensive but worth it

00:09:03.520 because it gave me all the answers um and yeah came back positive with lyme disease bartonella

00:09:09.160 and babesia which are two of the co-infections that came with it and you already started having

00:09:12.740 all the symptoms classic Lyme symptoms like probably within a few weeks three weeks to a

00:09:18.460 month yeah joint pain yeah I was having really bad joint pain migraines um I don't really remember

00:09:24.640 all the symptoms but a lot of weird things pain in my feet um things like that and so

00:09:32.300 it's tested positive the doctor basically gave me an option he's he's actually an integrated

00:09:38.180 medicine doctor so he's very natural in his approach but he gave me the option still he's

00:09:42.500 like you can do antibiotics or you can do herbal antibiotics which is the natural protocol you know

00:09:48.140 both of them generally work um antibiotics are obviously not as good for you but they kind of

00:09:54.640 knock it out and especially because it was early because you caught it early um it kind of knocks

00:10:00.900 it out right away um that's the best thing we have going for you is that you caught it early

00:10:05.080 and if you go the herbal route that will likely work too it just takes way longer um and because

00:10:11.300 i was so scared and i was already having so many of the symptoms and i'm like i i can't live like

00:10:16.420 this with three little kids um i chose to go on antibiotics and so i was on antibiotics for a while

00:10:21.440 um and then eventually you were just like you can't do this anymore i don't you didn't want

00:10:27.560 me on antibiotics anymore and i didn't really want to do it either but i'm so like just i'm

00:10:33.100 stuck in that routine i don't want to change it yeah it was a you know it's probably four or five

00:10:37.520 months of really heavy different different things that we were trying um we're still new at learning

00:10:44.220 about it too at that time yeah and then um anyway got off regular pharmaceutical antibiotics switched

00:10:51.220 to earn herbal protocol um i can i still have what's called herxing from that um herxing is

00:10:57.180 basically it's called a herxheimer effect where you get worse before you get better when you

00:11:00.880 introduce a new medication or herbal whatever it is um so i still have moments of that and

00:11:06.440 moments of flare-ups here and there this last week was actually a little bit harder on me

00:11:10.200 um but generally I'm doing a lot better than I was that's for sure um there were you know

00:11:16.720 times where I was in bed for a couple of weeks at a time and um and then yeah with Lyme it's

00:11:24.620 sexually transmitted which we didn't know and so Dale has some of the yeah so I was interesting

00:11:30.880 you know we were at the doctor and then Veronica was sitting there and the doctor was asking about

00:11:36.140 her symptom checklist which are like some of the most terrible like 80 different symptoms you could

00:11:40.780 be having the whole time they they basically ask you the same questions every time you're in the

00:11:44.300 office and as you're sitting there he's just like typing out your answers asking the next question

00:11:48.700 so they're keeping a record of things that have changed or things that are new yeah and veronica

00:11:53.100 was getting better and then i was actually sitting there at her appointment and i said man i have

00:12:00.440 that that symptom like and I have that symptom and I have that symptom and and he was like you

00:12:06.640 know what you should probably get checked um and I got checked and then yeah I came back positive

00:12:11.940 with um not as much in the Lyme category I had a small blip on the radar for Lyme but it wasn't

00:12:20.580 if you have the co-infections that come with Lyme it's kind of like you're under the Lyme umbrella

00:12:24.920 yes so i did have came back with positive bartonella and babesia and i may have had them

00:12:30.520 one of those even before we don't know but i definitely had them after that and and that was

00:12:36.820 one of those things that yeah i fell very ill for several months too um and that was a long road

00:12:44.180 for for you know i remember those days that yeah a week straight that you're probably a solid year

00:12:48.680 of not letting up of consistent like pain discomfort trials being in bed yep it just

00:12:57.440 destroyed both of our immune systems that was a big hit for us is um is getting her body back 0.94

00:13:04.260 and she would she would her elbows hurt so bad in the beginning like she couldn't even lay her

00:13:09.580 elbows on the bed um for just the pain on their on her joints and headaches that were so bad that

00:13:14.660 she couldn't get out of bed um and dizziness and and some of the other things that came along with

00:13:19.960 it it was pretty terrible um what has god so yeah you're feeling well now yeah much better i mean

00:13:28.100 like i said still have flare-ups and stuff i'm not necessarily cured um but i'm functional i can

00:13:33.640 80 to 90 percent most days you just feel yeah um what has god taught you in the process

00:13:40.080 just to remain faithful um and

00:13:45.700 there you know this is obviously just off the top of my head I'm sure I'd come up with a much

00:13:50.940 more eloquent answer if I had more time but um just remain faithful to reading his word and being

00:13:56.880 in fellowship with him I also learned that like I have nothing without without him and without

00:14:02.240 my health and to steward that well um I haven't been doing the best job lately but I want to start

00:14:08.920 getting better at that um yeah i mean i i there were literally days where i could not

00:14:17.180 i felt like i couldn't survive without being in prayer and being in his word yeah and i remember

00:14:24.180 you know changing your perspective on trials that they the lord you know was accomplishing

00:14:32.340 something in you you were growing learning some of these deeper lessons like contentment

00:14:39.340 that you learn how to be obedient not just in times of ease but in times of difficulty i mean

00:14:47.600 you still have to be a good mom um when you feel terrible as best as you can yeah and so you know

00:14:54.740 a statement that i always say is that the difficulty of obedience doesn't change the

00:14:58.160 duty of obedience and i think we got a chance to experience that one um deeply when you're not

00:15:04.820 feeling well luckily it was kind of by god's grace that we would trade off like you'd feel

00:15:09.020 well and i'd feel terrible and then i'd feel well and you'd feel terrible and it was

00:15:11.680 so um okay question number four did you ever expect to be a pastor's wife

00:15:18.700 what has been what has been in ministry taught you

00:15:23.800 uh no not necessarily ever expected to be a pastor's wife um i never thought that i would

00:15:37.520 be cut out for that type of position um what has being a pastor's wife taught me

00:15:42.900 it's taught me that i need jesus a lot um i've learned to have grace a lot more grace for

00:15:51.020 um other people um what else has it taught me i don't know this is a hard one to answer on the

00:15:58.820 on the spot i mean i think about you know just

00:16:02.280 a lot of people have expectations on you um and you've had to feel that you've had to help people

00:16:11.340 you know you point people back to the lord or to their husband to their husbands you know maybe

00:16:16.940 talk about that you know just your experiences being a pastor's wife is that you get a lot of

00:16:21.540 people expect you to be something and you know what what should they be doing instead well they

00:16:29.360 should be doing is seeking out the Lord on their own um praying not that they can't have a

00:16:33.420 conversation with me about it that's fine um but when you're looking to your pastor's wife not just

00:16:40.700 meet as a pastor's wife in general to fill you up to um to basically be like the main source of

00:16:49.120 your spiritual growth that's not okay and it's not biblical um so especially if you're married

00:16:57.560 you should be going back to the word of god and going back to your husband for all of those

00:17:01.540 heavier questions theological questions biblical questions things like that um but yeah having

00:17:08.620 And that was an adjustment in realizing that there was a lot of expectations put on me that I didn't realize were there.

00:17:17.240 And then also feeling the need to, I don't like to let people down.

00:17:21.900 And so feeling like I needed to meet all their expectations when in reality I just can't.

00:17:27.320 And so it made me focus on like, okay, well, what does the Lord call me to?

00:17:33.920 And focus on that, you know, being a wife and a mother.

00:17:36.940 and it's probably one of the greatest ways that you can display those truths in your life yeah

00:17:43.880 and so um to focusing in those areas is my most important yeah and I think I think about you know

00:17:53.260 yeah Titus 2 it you know says yeah let the older women teach the younger women how to love their 0.67

00:17:56.860 husbands and love their children how to be you know keepers of the home and that's kind of the

00:18:00.680 stuff that you have no problem talking to women about um but there is this thing in church where

00:18:07.720 it's like if you're a pastor you automatically assume that the pastor's wife is the women's

00:18:12.380 pastor and that's not a biblical idea right that's that's something that we've added um there's in

00:18:19.080 the bible there's a pastor and the pastor is is the same word for an elder which is someone in

00:18:25.920 first timothy chapter three it's a man and titus chapter one talks about it and so this idea that

00:18:31.260 we saw this we learned that a lot of people projected their institutional church experience

00:18:37.760 with oh my pastor's wife is my pastor and i expect her to do these things and then that would come in

00:18:44.520 on veronica and i think it's typical like i mean i don't think it's wrong i think that's exactly

00:18:49.360 what you would do if that's all you know but we've had to teach people it's like no um she would

00:18:55.800 say no i'm not your pastor dale's your pastor but your husband's your first source you know as a

00:19:01.980 human and then the lord is your central source you know um you're reading a book on pastor's

00:19:08.500 right now what are you thinking about it just started it like on our chapter five or something

00:19:12.540 like that what's the title like how to be a pastor's wife or something something very general

00:19:17.920 like that yeah i don't remember exactly it's it's by nancy wilson doug wilson's wife who you've

00:19:22.300 mentioned in the last podcast of um one of your current favorite authors um is by nancy wilson

00:19:28.300 who's been a pastor's wife for like 40 years or something like that yeah yeah so um okay last

00:19:34.560 question is what are your favorite christian books on womanhood wifehood and mothering and i have i

00:19:41.880 put a couple down here for you on the notes because i know that these are some but um and

00:19:47.400 maybe share about what your quiet time looks like uh so I'll start with quiet time um

00:19:54.260 mine you mentioned it was in the last podcast you mentioned um kind of your quiet time routine

00:20:00.940 um and in that you mentioned you give me an hour so yeah in the morning generally when I wake up

00:20:05.960 Dale gets the kids breakfast and gets them settled gets them emptying out the dishwasher

00:20:11.220 get dressed all their kind of morning duties um and so as soon as i get up i say good morning to

00:20:17.440 everybody and then i kind of go hunker down in my closet in my room literally like her legitimate

00:20:22.760 closet and i have a desk in there that dale built me and so i've got all my books and bible quiet

00:20:29.240 time stuff is in there um so i pray and read my bible and uh once i'm done with that i will put

00:20:38.540 on some worship music um generally hymns while i'm getting dressed and ready for the day um

00:20:44.440 then i come out and you go upstairs and then i'm with the kids the rest of the day and when you're

00:20:50.580 uh when you're reading you know you're also on top of that reading usually a book at some point

00:20:57.240 i mean i i feel like the last couple years my book during my quiet time though yeah it's usually

00:21:01.760 like i want to spend time with the lord and read my bible and do those things in the morning

00:21:05.260 and then at the end of the day at bedtime is when i'll read my book because i feel like i don't want

00:21:11.440 i'm not as focused yeah so tell me um yeah what are some books that you really appreciated

00:21:17.200 over the years and maybe some authors if you can think of any that you really like

00:21:21.800 um a book that i just recently read was called learning contentment also by nancy wilson

00:21:27.260 um i thought it was a really great book um i think it's something that um i've definitely

00:21:33.760 struggled with off and on um for my whole life um but i think it's something that most people

00:21:41.700 struggle with especially women and with the social media today um you know you go on instagram and

00:21:48.580 you instantly see a bunch of people just complaining um and so not all of them there's

00:21:54.940 people rejoicing too um but a lot of it is that and so i just thought it was really great read

00:22:01.100 um you know i had some convictions in it and i feel like i learned and grew through some of the

00:22:06.880 content in that book but i also just think it's a great book for like almost for most women to

00:22:10.860 read it's like an annual reread book almost yeah that's a good one um and then what would you say

00:22:16.260 on womanhood wifehood mothering nancy wilson also has a series of books that are old they probably

00:22:22.160 came out in the 90s um and it's like a three-step book fruit of her hands praise her in the gates

00:22:29.220 and there's another one on child rearing um but i had read fruit of her hands and i just was like

00:22:37.280 kind of laughing through it i thought it was really good um but i was laughing because she's

00:22:42.780 just like a straight shooter and straight to the point which i appreciate um she's not fluffy and 0.98

00:22:48.900 make you feel good really direct yeah and so i like that especially coming from a woman author 1.00

00:22:53.980 um i thought that's a good one especially for um maybe wives that struggle with submission

00:22:59.500 that's a good one the fruit of her hands the fruit of her hands yeah yeah um and then learning

00:23:04.420 contentment is also by her another book that i read just for enjoyment which i generally anytime

00:23:10.820 i read a book it's almost always on mothering wifehood parenting whatever it is i don't usually

00:23:16.740 read a lot of books just to just for enjoyment um but someone had recommended this book called

00:23:22.060 defying jihad and i think i mentioned it in a podcast not too long ago um something what's her

00:23:28.240 name what's her name who wrote the book anyway it's called defying jihad that covers black and

00:23:33.620 the uh titles in bright orange um and yeah it's about a woman who was formerly muslim who became

00:23:42.840 a christian and it's her story and her testimony and it was just a really incredible really

00:23:46.820 incredible story powerful story that um motivated me to like want to pray more for the persecuted

00:23:53.100 church and just exercise my freedom to practice my faith and things like that what's another

00:24:01.360 couple other good books i think about if you're in early motherhood um shepherding a child's heart

00:24:06.020 by ted tripp uh don't make me count to three by ginger hubbard those are good for like toddlers

00:24:11.880 shepherd and child's heart's good for general any age but specifically um what's the new zealand

00:24:17.660 captain three is from ginger hebert and that's for like toddlers uh new zealand nancy campbell

00:24:23.000 nancy campbell yeah she's got a good devotional called 100 days of blessing and then what's the

00:24:27.140 other one that you like that you finished um mission oh i like anything by sally clarkson

00:24:31.000 to uh mission of motherhood and ministry of motherhood yeah motherhood is a really good

00:24:35.700 one too i like her and sally clarkson specifically and nancy will or nancy campbell um

00:24:41.760 because they're more tender yeah they're tender and i'm not a generally pretty tender person i'm

00:24:47.140 kind of rough around the edges and i can you know say things without thinking sometimes and um i need

00:24:54.160 to be aware of myself when i'm speaking especially if i'm getting frustrated or flustered i need to

00:24:59.220 be like ultra in control of my my tone and so i i like listening to them because they're encouraging

00:25:06.000 me they kind of give me a little bit of an example by using scripture um of how to be more how to

00:25:11.680 say things more gently we're we're probably backwards to what everybody expects at home

00:25:17.180 and so out in the public i'm bold and i'm um i'm intense um at least that's how people perceive me

00:25:27.600 i think and uh i hope that i can also be perceived as compassionate that's what i'm working on um

00:25:34.960 but veronica you know is you know kind of the counterbalance to me and you know quiet and

00:25:40.220 you know meek and um in the public eye in the public eye uh but at home if we're actually a

00:25:47.140 little bit flip-flopped i'm i'm generally the more softer parent parent and she's more of the

00:25:55.500 authoritarian i mean i i'm definitely still like the the head i'm still the leader yeah the heavy

00:26:03.320 side of the law but you know veronica is more of the um i don't know i'm just kind of like a get it

00:26:11.500 done yeah like this is what i said to do let's get it done and like i'm focused and um when things

00:26:18.300 throw me off it's a little bit hard for me to come back from that which when you have three

00:26:22.700 little kids it's a growing point for me an area an area that i'm always growing in um yeah dale's

00:26:29.180 definitely the more gentle one when it comes to the kids which is yeah it's just so fascinating

00:26:35.160 um it's even fascinating to me but it's the loads balanced that he just made us this way and we have

00:26:40.800 this unique thing publicly and personally um but good those are some good uh good questions and

00:26:48.140 good answers and hopefully you guys got a chance to better understand veronica um and uh yeah just

00:26:54.640 get a chance to to know who she is a little bit more next week we'll be back into our topical

00:27:00.260 typical podcast that we tackle some of the issues that the church seems to be avoiding or that

00:27:06.560 there's not much great content about biblical issues that need to be discussed

00:27:10.560 in the church of jesus christ so thanks for joining us and we will see you guys next week

00:27:16.660 see ya

Dale Partridge - February 06, 2020

Real Christianity #83： Five Questions people ask about Veronica

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