Dale Partridge - Should Women Teach Theology to Other Women？ With Dale Partridge

00:00:00.000 In this episode of Real Christianity, I'm going to be resolving the question,

00:00:02.640 what is a woman's role in theological education? This episode is going to be acting as part three

00:00:08.420 on my discussion, should women teach theology to other women? All that and more coming up right now.

00:00:30.000 Welcome to Real Christianity. My name is Dale Partridge. Real Christianity is an audio and

00:00:36.620 video ministry of relearn.org. Thank you for joining. I am going to be offering really a

00:00:44.020 part three to the discussion that has become a national, maybe even an international discussion

00:00:50.840 around should women teach other women theology. Two weeks ago, we had part one,

00:00:56.780 which started the discussion.

00:00:59.440 Part two offered further clarity

00:01:01.020 and I offered maybe 10 question and answers

00:01:04.120 of frequently asked questions around the issue.

00:01:07.600 Today, I wanted to offer ultra clarity

00:01:10.940 and giving more information to help anybody

00:01:14.240 that might be misunderstanding what I'm saying.

00:01:17.480 And hopefully it's a helpful resource for you 0.82

00:01:20.260 to understand a woman's role in theological education.

00:01:24.620 Now you can read this exact episode.

00:01:28.560 It's available at relearn.org as an article.

00:01:31.340 I'm going to be reading it,

00:01:32.340 but I'm also going to be offering my commentary.

00:01:34.920 So let's go ahead and dive in.

00:01:41.740 Give you guys a little bit of context.

00:01:44.340 The two-part series, if you haven't listened to that, 0.54

00:01:47.200 Should Women Teach Other Women Theology,

00:01:49.220 the natural course of development

00:01:50.900 when I was producing these episodes,

00:01:53.820 I would say there's more clarity in episode number two

00:01:56.460 instead of episode number one.

00:01:58.440 So I would say if you want to go back,

00:02:00.880 you can listen to episode number two first

00:02:02.660 and then move on to episode one

00:02:05.060 and then read this article or listen to this episode.

00:02:07.780 I think that would be the best approach.

00:02:10.600 This episode, I think, will bring maximum clarity.

00:02:13.180 Now, hey, if you're already listening to this episode,

00:02:14.860 just go ahead and finish it.

00:02:15.760 That's fine as well.

00:02:16.960 Now, as you might know,

00:02:18.220 this topic has caused a significant discussion

00:02:21.280 around the globe.

00:02:23.160 I mean, I've had the most of it's happened here in the American church, but I'll tell you what,

00:02:27.400 I have seen screenshots and text messages and social media tags from people all over discussing

00:02:35.680 this concept of what is a woman's role in theological education. And so several influential

00:02:43.960 women made comments during this discussion over the last several weeks. Some of them were helpful, 0.99

00:02:50.040 Some of them were respectful. Others were slanderous and sinful. And I'm not going to name names on those individuals. As expected, my message was encountered with resistance from especially those women who had platforms that were built upon themselves teaching theology to other women.

00:03:09.480 essentially by agreeing with me would be an admission of guilt or at least a reformation

00:03:17.980 required of their current ministry. And so I expected to have that kind of resistance from

00:03:23.140 these women that had platforms built on teaching other women theology. I linked a handful of these

00:03:29.980 individuals, Haley Williams from Kindled podcast, Felicia Masonheimer, her platform is Every Woman

00:03:36.820 a theologian in essence um there's been a big discussion among the ladies and ali stuckey

00:03:44.500 offered her feedback and i think that she i respect ali but i think she misrepresented my

00:03:51.380 claims i also don't think in that episode she used enough scripture to back up her position

00:03:56.500 i think that she made biblical patriarchy look to be not what the doctrine actually is which

00:04:02.340 which we'll talk about today.

00:04:04.500 And I think that she didn't really approach the substance

00:04:08.560 of the discussion with care.

00:04:10.800 Maybe she listened to the whole thing,

00:04:12.120 maybe she didn't listen to both episodes, I'm not sure.

00:04:14.740 But I think that she did have a mischaracterization

00:04:17.680 of my argument.

00:04:18.760 A few pastors engaged with the content

00:04:21.820 that I had some good conversations,

00:04:23.960 lots of, I think, fruitful,

00:04:25.900 even critical and fruitful discussions.

00:04:28.080 And Pastor Anthony Wood, I think, absolutely misrepresented my claims when he did a sermon and had a 10-minute section on his sermon a couple Sundays ago.

00:04:43.020 You can, again, find the link to that. It's available in the article.

00:04:47.800 But I believe that he distorted the argument and also refuted positions that I never even took.

00:04:53.220 And so this is pretty common in theological discourse.

00:04:56.900 you're going to have people that straw man your argument or they're going to misrepresent it

00:05:02.100 and we often fail to put in the time that it takes to really have a careful reading and to

00:05:09.700 represent the other argument well and so i understand that we're sinful and you know i've

00:05:16.580 done the same thing too and it's one of those things that we need to be careful about so there's

00:05:20.340 just going to be passionate discussions around a topic like this uh despite the resistance i have

00:05:25.780 received hundreds if not thousands of messages and social media comments and emails from men and

00:05:34.020 women that have been thanking me for the clarity because i believe they're seeing what's going on

00:05:40.020 with the church being so highly influenced by the feminist movement and they're not even realizing

00:05:45.700 it and i think the initiation of the broader conversation is important you know a lot of

00:05:51.220 people say man why are we having these conversations they seem so heated they see so unfruitful

00:05:55.700 Twitter was just having a conversation around Christian nationalism is really need to be

00:05:59.680 talking about this. Joel Webin was talking about things between G3 and there became kind of taking

00:06:04.520 sides. I actually think it's an important topic to discuss. We should be having these passionate

00:06:11.260 debates around theological and doctrinal matters because they need to be clarified at large,

00:06:18.700 especially among pastors.

00:06:20.900 And so these types of debates are important.

00:06:24.580 There's a big discussion going around 0.92

00:06:26.960 what the women is motherhood and marriage, 1.00

00:06:29.700 a woman's highest calling. 1.00

00:06:31.700 So there's lots of those things.

00:06:33.460 They're important.

00:06:34.300 Now we need to do them well.

00:06:35.800 We need to have those discussions with love and care,

00:06:38.880 but they are important discussions.

00:06:40.760 I know they can make some people feel uncomfortable

00:06:42.300 because of the passion behind them,

00:06:44.080 but they must happen.

00:06:46.360 Now, as for this article,

00:06:47.880 I wanna remind you that my effort

00:06:50.220 is to express the biblical ideal, the biblical ideal.

00:06:54.420 And I understand that we live in a fallen world

00:06:56.360 with fallen families, unqualified pastors, 0.98

00:06:59.360 unbelieving fathers, spiritually immature husbands,

00:07:01.660 passive men, okay? 0.79

00:07:02.800 This is the world that we live in. 0.99

00:07:05.000 And this often leaves women 1.00

00:07:07.100 with less than ideal circumstances

00:07:09.300 when it comes to having a shepherd,

00:07:12.420 a spiritual shepherd, a theological advisor in their life.

00:07:16.940 Now, having said that,

00:07:17.860 I believe that the biblical ideal 0.55

00:07:19.160 for theological instruction is to come from men,

00:07:22.060 from fathers, from husbands, from pastors.

00:07:25.600 And we as Christians and churches

00:07:27.660 should be working toward the biblical ideal.

00:07:30.460 We shouldn't accept the status quo.

00:07:32.120 We should be working toward the ideal.

00:07:33.600 We need to know what the ideal is.

00:07:37.200 Furthermore, my argument in this article, in this podcast,

00:07:40.980 and the both previous episodes,

00:07:44.100 it's a systematic argument because

00:07:46.440 there's no passage of scripture that says women shall not teach other women theology now on the

00:07:52.040 flip side there's also no other passes that says women shall teach other women theology so what

00:07:58.840 we need to do is i'm going to draw from biblical theological historical evidence to build a and

00:08:04.520 demonstrate a systematic argument of why i believe that women are not to be regarded as the proper

00:08:13.000 or the ideal or preferred source of theological instruction

00:08:17.480 to their female counterparts. 0.98

00:08:20.140 And so please stay with me here. 0.99

00:08:22.100 Now, what I am not saying,

00:08:23.540 and I said this, I think, in all three episodes,

00:08:25.980 but what I am not saying, just to be ultra clear,

00:08:29.720 and I just don't wanna get people firing off statements of,

00:08:36.940 oh, Dale, you're saying that women can't have discussions

00:08:38.640 about theology?

00:08:39.500 No, I'm not saying that.

00:08:40.360 So here's a couple of points.

00:08:41.220 I'm not saying that women cannot learn theology.

00:08:43.960 Women should learn theology, okay? 0.74

00:08:46.540 I'm not saying that women cannot learn theology.

00:08:48.940 I'm not saying that women cannot read their Bibles, okay?

00:08:52.680 This is, I've heard some people say 0.99

00:08:54.500 these dumb statements out on the internet 0.97

00:08:57.120 that I'm claiming that. 0.98

00:08:58.980 That is clearly not what I'm claiming.

00:09:01.260 I'm not saying that women cannot have

00:09:02.980 other theological conversations with other women.

00:09:06.740 Okay, remember, a theological conversation

00:09:08.420 at a mommy play date around Calvinism 1.00

00:09:11.420 is significantly different than a woman

00:09:14.240 enrolling into a six-week workshop theology course

00:09:20.260 to learn soteriology from another woman.

00:09:23.260 Very, very different categories,

00:09:26.480 which we'll talk about in a bit.

00:09:28.040 I'm also not saying that women cannot learn

00:09:30.280 biblical womanhood and wifehood and marriage

00:09:33.560 and homemaking from other women. 1.00

00:09:34.900 They absolutely must do those things. 0.93

00:09:37.200 So I'm presenting the question, should women teach other women theology? Or the inverse, should women learn theology from other women? So again, please note that my question began with should and not can. I'm not saying can a woman learn theology from other women? Certainly. You certainly can, but what I mean by that is women are capable. 0.76

00:10:02.280 women are absolutely capable of teaching that theology. But I'm asking whether a woman should 0.98

00:10:09.240 learn theology from another woman. That is, does the Bible thematically and theologically push 0.98

00:10:17.600 for women to teach other women's theology? Is that what we see thematically in scripture?

00:10:24.920 Is that the biblical ideal that women are teaching other women theology? Is that the ideal?

00:10:30.580 Or does the Bible thematically and theologically push for men to teach other men, women, and

00:10:38.800 children theology?

00:10:39.940 Is that what we see in scripture?

00:10:42.180 So we're talking again about the ideal.

00:10:43.580 So I understand terms like theology must be defined since theology, in a sense, bleeds

00:10:51.360 into every area of the Christian life.

00:10:53.500 for that reason, I clearly define how I'm using the word theology in subsequent paragraphs. So

00:11:00.780 just stay tuned as we get to that. Now, this entire argument, I think this is probably

00:11:06.020 maybe the most helpful section because a lot of people that listen to these first two episodes

00:11:11.920 don't understand that I hold to a doctrine of biblical patriarchy. Now, biblical patriarchy

00:11:18.280 is a different position than complementarianism.

00:11:23.900 And I'm going to talk about that just for a second.

00:11:25.900 So my stance on this matter is founded on my unwavering belief

00:11:32.000 in the doctrine of biblical patriarchy.

00:11:34.780 Now, I've observed that many Christians lack a theological comprehension of this doctrine. 0.64

00:11:42.440 And as a result, they default to the complementarian position 0.85

00:11:46.420 because that's just the air we breathe

00:11:48.200 in American Christianity.

00:11:50.480 Everybody is complementarian. 0.99

00:11:51.880 It sounds like a really good word.

00:11:53.320 Oh yeah, we complement one another.

00:11:54.840 That's gotta be right, right?

00:11:56.580 That's definitely the way.

00:11:58.220 And also, you know, the great teachers

00:11:59.940 of the last, you know, 50 years,

00:12:02.600 Piper and Grudem and MacArthur,

00:12:05.180 and these people are in the complementarian camp.

00:12:09.680 Now, like many others of my generation,

00:12:12.740 I have come to recognize the significant flaws

00:12:15.500 within the complementarian view and a term that now so when we think about this term complementarian

00:12:22.700 it's a new term it came in 1988 at the council for biblical manhood and womanhood

00:12:30.000 uh piper and grudem are really backed up this whole movement uh it's they wrote the danvers

00:12:37.100 statement on uh on essentially this view of complementarianism and so this is a new word

00:12:45.300 It's not something that's, you would say complementarianism to an 1800s Christian,

00:12:51.960 and they're not going to have any idea what you're talking about.

00:12:55.300 And so what I will say is that the complementarian view, I believe,

00:12:59.660 has contributed to a lot of the church's detrimental effects concerning sexuality in the church,

00:13:08.660 roles, marriage, family dynamics, leadership and submission, headship, gender distinction. I think

00:13:17.520 that there's actually a true connection between the complementarian view and these issues today.

00:13:24.120 Now, again, this podcast isn't intended to produce an exhaustive definition of the doctrine

00:13:30.440 of biblical patriarchy, but it's vital to provide you guys a summary of what is biblical patriarchy

00:13:37.740 because essentially my view on women teaching other women theology

00:13:42.300 is intertwined with the tenets of that doctrine.

00:13:45.420 So biblical patriarchy simply means father rule.

00:13:49.620 It emphasizes the God-ordained authority of men as heads of household

00:13:53.920 and leaders in the church, in the home, and in society.

00:13:59.580 Okay, so this is one of the major distinctions.

00:14:02.880 The conviction is rooted in the clear, again, thematic example

00:14:06.440 of the Old Testament and the New Testament.

00:14:09.520 So namely that the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,

00:14:14.120 they are male.

00:14:16.320 The prophets are male, the priests are male,

00:14:19.540 the kings are male.

00:14:21.540 In the New Testament, we see the apostles are male,

00:14:25.720 the scribes are male, the elders in the church are male.

00:14:30.400 And unlike complementarianism,

00:14:33.060 which limits the rule of men to the house and to the church,

00:14:39.500 biblical patriarchy holds to the idea

00:14:42.820 that leadership stays the same in all spheres of life,

00:14:46.240 including civil life. 1.00

00:14:47.380 So there would be no female leaders or government leaders 1.00

00:14:52.820 or in business management. 0.93

00:14:54.920 So I'll talk about that in a second.

00:14:55.840 So I think complementarianism reveals its central flaw 0.99

00:15:00.840 in that specific discussion it's inconsistent and what i mean by that it allows women to rule

00:15:09.720 over men in certain contexts such as politics or law enforcement or business management

00:15:17.560 essentially in the professional or political field however if a woman cannot rule over her church 0.99

00:15:23.160 or her household, how can she rule over a city 0.99

00:15:28.580 or state or country of churches and households?

00:15:33.180 That seems like an inconsistency to me.

00:15:35.720 Isaiah 312, God acknowledges the tragedy of disorder

00:15:41.200 in Israel's nation state.

00:15:43.520 He says, quote,

00:15:44.360 My people, infants are their oppressors 0.99

00:15:47.200 and women rule over them. 0.70

00:15:48.900 Oh, my people, your guides mislead you. 1.00

00:15:51.900 and they have swallowed up the course of your paths." 0.94

00:15:55.800 Now, because of the failure of men in Israel, 0.70

00:15:59.200 the influence of the young people and the women

00:16:01.260 had become Israel's source of leadership.

00:16:04.420 And unfortunately, with the influence of pop culture 0.99

00:16:07.500 and feminism today,

00:16:09.400 it's not much different here in America or the West.

00:16:13.200 So I believe complementarianism's inconsistency

00:16:18.580 is seen in its view of ontology.

00:16:21.220 Now the word ontology just means the study of being.

00:16:25.160 And according to scripture,

00:16:26.220 male and female roles are rooted in creation.

00:16:29.560 They're rooted in creation.

00:16:30.860 First Corinthians 11, two through 16,

00:16:32.780 first Timothy two, 11 through 15, Genesis one through three.

00:16:36.800 You can go back and look at those.

00:16:38.260 The question that complementarians must face

00:16:40.160 is why men's and women's roles should change

00:16:44.480 when in the political or professional sphere. 0.90

00:16:47.020 Like why would we change if we're rooted in,

00:16:50.600 if our differences are rooted in creation

00:16:52.940 and our actual being,

00:16:55.820 are men all of a sudden designed in a professional setting

00:17:00.180 to submit to women in that context? 0.72

00:17:05.180 Are women all of a sudden designed to be leaders 1.00

00:17:10.280 instead of helpers and keepers at the home 1.00

00:17:13.280 in another context? 1.00

00:17:16.500 are women designed to not be subordinate in some context,

00:17:22.960 but then be subordinate to men in other contexts?

00:17:25.940 And so again, I think there's a clear inconsistency

00:17:29.280 that's there that causes a lot of problems

00:17:31.360 in civil life and in professional life.

00:17:34.720 So instead, biblical patriarchy affirms

00:17:38.240 that God has uniquely and beautifully designed men

00:17:41.200 and women differently, not just in roles,

00:17:44.420 but in actual being, in our very being.

00:17:47.340 That is that men are to be leaders

00:17:49.120 because they are made to be leaders.

00:17:52.420 And that doesn't change regardless of the circumstances. 0.77

00:17:55.720 And women are to be helpers 1.00

00:17:58.100 because they're made to be helpers. 1.00

00:18:01.060 That's what they're made to do.

00:18:03.560 And this isn't something that we should ever think

00:18:05.380 is a bad thing, right?

00:18:06.200 Because this isn't that men should ever feel guilty

00:18:08.940 that they're made to rule and lead

00:18:10.200 because God designed men this way before the fall.

00:18:13.260 This is exactly what he gave to Adam

00:18:14.680 before sin entered into the world. 0.97

00:18:16.320 This is a good thing.

00:18:17.440 And so we don't need to feel bad about being the leaders

00:18:20.480 because this is an all holy and all wise God

00:18:24.440 has designed men to be the leaders and shepherds

00:18:29.440 in these various contexts. 1.00

00:18:31.900 Now, a woman on the flip side 0.98

00:18:33.320 doesn't need to feel oppressed or that she's anything less

00:18:37.660 because again, this is a station that God has given her.

00:18:41.620 She's designed for the station.

00:18:43.500 In fact, she will be most fruitful 0.57

00:18:47.380 when she is in accordance with her design and same with men.

00:18:51.460 And so, because complementarians believe our differences

00:18:56.820 are rooted in roles and not in being, 0.96

00:19:01.680 they think that women can interchange roles

00:19:03.580 based on certain different circumstances.

00:19:07.120 And so, on the other hand, again,

00:19:08.740 biblical patriarchy recognizes that men

00:19:10.640 are to be pastors and preachers

00:19:13.880 and shepherds and leaders and kings

00:19:16.820 because God designed men to be these very things.

00:19:20.820 We talked about in episode two

00:19:22.160 that the difference between men and women,

00:19:23.720 that there's actually men's chess and women's chess

00:19:27.660 and the sheer reality that men actually think differently,

00:19:32.020 we're made differently.

00:19:35.200 Men are made to preach. 0.59

00:19:38.000 It's not just like, oh, a woman can preach or a woman can be a theologian or a theological 0.92

00:19:45.480 shepherd or whatever. It's that men are actually designed for these things. Now, women, by virtue

00:19:51.400 of their distinct design, do not share the same duties as men because it's not part of their 1.00

00:19:58.420 being. Women are made to nurture and they're made to care, to be compassionate, and they have a 0.95

00:20:05.080 more agreeable nature, and they're more driven by emotion 0.99

00:20:08.480 to help be a counselor to the man that they help.

00:20:11.620 And men can't do those things as well

00:20:14.940 because it's not part of their being.

00:20:17.360 And so because biblical patriarchy is based on being

00:20:21.420 and not on roles, it universally lays the responsibility

00:20:25.780 for women and children on the shoulders of men.

00:20:28.500 And so this is getting into more of the responsibility

00:20:31.320 and has a connection with what we're talking about today.

00:20:34.120 That is that a father is responsible for his family

00:20:36.940 in a way that his wife is not. 0.81

00:20:40.740 Ephesians 5, 26 through 27, Colossians 3, 18,

00:20:44.580 1 Timothy 5, 8, Ephesians 6, 4, Colossians 3, 21,

00:20:48.540 1 Peter 3, 5 through 6.

00:20:49.780 So he is the answerable party to God

00:20:54.340 for his family's spiritual health and moral actions.

00:20:58.560 And we see this as far back as the Garden of Eden.

00:21:01.080 So let's just look at that for a second.

00:21:02.180 So Adam was not guilty of Eve's sin,

00:21:06.360 but he was responsible for it. 0.75

00:21:08.580 He was responsible for it.

00:21:10.360 After their disobedience, God did not call Eve.

00:21:13.120 He only called Adam.

00:21:15.140 That's Genesis chapter three, verses six through nine.

00:21:18.280 When they were banished from the garden,

00:21:21.580 God didn't banish Eve.

00:21:23.280 No, God just banished Adam

00:21:24.980 because Eve's banishment was included

00:21:27.600 in Adam's banishment.

00:21:30.040 You can see that also in Genesis 3, 22 through 24. 0.61

00:21:35.440 In a similar way, Christ was not guilty of the church's sin,

00:21:39.340 1 Peter 2, 22, Hebrews 4, 15,

00:21:42.800 but he took responsibility for the church's sin.

00:21:46.860 And this is 2 Corinthians 5, 21, 1 Peter 2, 22 through 24,

00:21:51.200 3, 18, Galatians 3, 13.

00:21:53.360 And he took responsibility and it paying for it on the cross.

00:21:56.840 And so this model of male rule and responsibility and love is the Bible's explicit instruction for other men to follow, other pastors, other fathers, other husbands in Ephesians 5, 22 through 33.

00:22:14.000 ultimately biblical patriarchy upholds order in the home in the church and in the social

00:22:22.960 political civil sphere and more than that it does so in a manner that represents the supreme

00:22:30.280 patriarch jesus christ and so it's not in this you know misogynistic uh overpowering

00:22:38.760 oppressing view. No, biblical patriarchy is different than sinful patriarchy. No, this is

00:22:45.980 loving, caring, godly leadership, taking responsibility for those who have been entrusted

00:22:55.500 to you. It rules from, again, from love and wisdom and compassion, and it tries to glorify God in

00:23:01.520 everything. And so this is, again, it's a different view. This is a view that's held by

00:23:05.360 Douglas Wilson, he wrote a book called Federal Husband

00:23:08.600 that might be interested for some of you

00:23:10.080 if you're looking into this.

00:23:10.960 Joel Webin just recently put out an episode

00:23:13.680 talking about a father's authority over their home.

00:23:16.960 You can listen to that episode if you wanted to find it

00:23:18.900 on his podcast or his YouTube channel.

00:23:21.280 And so it's from this position

00:23:23.000 of the doctrine of biblical patriarchy

00:23:25.040 that I'm grounded in this profound sense

00:23:30.040 of being responsible for the moral state

00:23:35.380 of my wife and children.

00:23:37.260 And so I really believe that,

00:23:39.120 yeah, I'm not guilty of my wife and children's sins,

00:23:41.520 but I'm responsible for them.

00:23:43.960 I'm the answerable party for how my wife believes

00:23:48.240 and how my wife acts and how my children believe

00:23:52.100 and how my children act.

00:23:53.860 I believe that is the clear teaching of scripture.

00:23:56.360 It's the clear example of Jesus Christ

00:23:58.360 and his marriage with the church. 0.74

00:24:00.340 And so my conviction regarding women

00:24:02.260 teaching theology to other women

00:24:03.480 emerges from that position. 0.59

00:24:06.640 Now, the heart of the problem.

00:24:07.900 So the heart of the problem

00:24:09.260 is that we're witnessing a trend 1.00

00:24:11.380 where more and more women 0.99

00:24:13.160 are taking on the task 1.00

00:24:15.740 of providing theological shepherding

00:24:17.680 exclusively for other women.

00:24:20.280 And they're doing this in a variety of ways,

00:24:22.820 from theology conferences for women

00:24:25.340 and biblical workshops for women

00:24:27.180 to female-focused podcasts and video courses

00:24:30.960 that are dealing with systematics and soteriology

00:24:33.220 and ecclesiology and eschatology

00:24:35.200 and other vital doctrines.

00:24:36.280 So this is a real thing.

00:24:37.500 I actually linked a bunch of examples in the article

00:24:40.100 if you wanted to look at that.

00:24:42.440 Now, what makes it even more alarming 0.99

00:24:45.020 is the increase in women who actually prefer 0.98

00:24:49.340 to receive theological instruction from other women

00:24:53.100 and not from men.

00:24:55.020 Okay, this is really my big concern. 1.00

00:24:58.520 You have more and more women 1.00

00:25:00.720 are taking up this role of theological shepherding 0.99

00:25:05.400 of other women,

00:25:06.960 probably because they see a need 1.00

00:25:09.300 and they're trying to fulfill it or trying to fill it. 1.00

00:25:12.880 And then you actually have another movement of women 1.00

00:25:15.900 who are actually preferring to learn theology

00:25:18.460 from other women and not from men.

00:25:20.560 Okay, that is a big, giant red flag

00:25:23.620 because you never see this in church history.

00:25:26.440 We're going to talk about that more,

00:25:27.860 but I just want you to see that's the problem,

00:25:29.940 the heart of the problem.

00:25:31.700 And so the shift tells you a couple of things. 1.00

00:25:33.740 Number one, it informs us that Christian women 0.97

00:25:37.480 are assuming the biblically and historically male role 0.98

00:25:42.300 and responsibility of theologically shepherding other women. 0.94

00:25:47.240 This is what pastors did. 0.96

00:25:49.520 The idea of the woman pastor or the women's pastor, 0.96

00:25:52.300 this is an unbiblical concept. Historically, the pastor is the pastor of the men and the women

00:26:01.660 and the children. The father is the pastor of his wife and his children. The husband is the

00:26:10.740 pastor of his wife and his children. I mean, this is what we see historically, what we see biblically.

00:26:16.860 number two it expresses that more women are rejecting the biblical and historical channels 0.62

00:26:23.080 for theological guidance from their god-given shepherds and so i know that they're not

00:26:28.640 necessarily just rejecting it they're also maybe not even receiving it uh which is my third point

00:26:34.500 and remember your god-given shepherd as a as a woman is either your father your husband or your

00:26:40.940 pastor. Now, number three,

00:26:43.220 it demonstrates that men are failing to provide sufficient

00:26:47.660 theological education for their wives and daughters.

00:26:49.900 Thus, they are turning to other women. 0.89

00:26:53.000 And so what I'm saying is that I'm not saying that, 0.63

00:26:57.460 well, I'll say this. 1.00

00:26:59.500 They're turning out of necessity to other women 0.94

00:27:02.400 because the men are failing.

00:27:04.840 I'm saying that's not ideal.

00:27:07.260 That's not ideal.

00:27:09.240 That's not what we see in scripture.

00:27:10.940 So we as Christians and churches

00:27:14.240 should work toward the ideal.

00:27:16.180 We need to get these men and fathers and pastors

00:27:20.760 back in the shepherding role 0.99

00:27:23.680 where women are turning back to their God-given shepherds.

00:27:27.060 Okay, all that said, a man's concern

00:27:30.840 for a woman theologically shepherding his wife, 0.96

00:27:33.880 daughter, parishioner, it's not without merit.

00:27:37.440 It's not, the concern's not without merit.

00:27:39.760 1 Timothy 2.14 speaks to this issue within the church.

00:27:42.300 Paul says, quote, 1.00

00:27:43.360 "'Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. 1.00

00:27:46.120 "'I do not permit a woman to teach 1.00

00:27:48.600 "'or to exercise authority over a man. 1.00

00:27:50.640 "'Rather, she is to remain quiet. 0.96

00:27:52.960 "'For Adam was formed first, then Eve,

00:27:55.320 "'and Adam was not deceived, 0.80

00:27:57.040 "'but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.'"

00:27:59.940 So the text teaches us a couple things.

00:28:02.020 Number one, a woman is to learn quietly 1.00

00:28:04.760 and with all submissiveness. 1.00

00:28:06.820 Number two, a woman is not permitted to teach 1.00

00:28:09.540 to the church. Number three, a woman is not to exercise authority over a man. So Paul anchors 1.00

00:28:17.560 his reasoning for three or for these commands in both creation order. And what he's doing there is

00:28:23.740 he's appealing to the male to female flow of leadership and to the events of the fall where

00:28:30.200 he's appealing to the woman's susceptibility to deception. So you need to pay attention,

00:28:35.640 read that passage of scripture. If you want to go back and look at it again, it's 1 Timothy 2.14.

00:28:39.540 Now, the late theologian Henry Morris said of this verse,

00:28:44.000 I thought this was really good,

00:28:44.900 quote, the many daughters of Eve

00:28:47.420 share the trusting nature of their first mother.

00:28:51.500 And so in general, at least,

00:28:53.800 are more easily deceived by those evil spirits

00:28:56.600 who can masquerade as angels of light,

00:28:59.320 2 Corinthians 11, 13 through 15.

00:29:02.320 Although there may be exceptions,

00:29:04.380 there may be exceptions when, 1.00

00:29:06.900 for want of masculine leadership, 1.00

00:29:08.660 a Christian woman may be forced to assume 1.00

00:29:11.700 the spiritual leadership in the home,

00:29:13.980 for example, Timothy's own mother and grandmother,

00:29:16.760 or even in the family of God, Deborah, Judges 4 and 8.

00:29:22.280 This is not the divinely ordained way. 1.00

00:29:26.880 There is no New Testament example of a woman

00:29:29.300 serving as an elder or bishop or pastor of a local church,

00:29:32.280 with the possible exception of the false prophetess Jezebel

00:29:35.620 in the church of Thyatira, Revelation 2.20,

00:29:38.660 who was evidently herself also deceived by Satan."

00:29:42.440 End quote.

00:29:44.340 Now in his commentary on this verse,

00:29:46.420 Matthew Henry also adds,

00:29:48.980 quote, this verse emphasizes the vulnerability of women

00:29:53.100 to deception and as a basis for the teaching

00:29:56.680 that women should not have teaching authority

00:29:59.120 in the church, end quote. 0.99

00:30:00.980 Okay, so since the inception of the church,

00:30:03.660 an ecumenical consensus has been reached

00:30:05.980 regarding the interpretation of women's authority

00:30:09.740 in teaching the Bible.

00:30:10.860 We all are landing on the same page

00:30:12.980 in terms of the Reformed community. 1.00

00:30:14.880 Now, this consensus maintains that women are not to exercise

00:30:19.380 teaching authority in the church. 1.00

00:30:23.040 And that is specifically extending out

00:30:25.860 to Communicate members of both men

00:30:28.540 and all Communicate members, even women in the church.

00:30:31.740 Now, it's important to clarify that this position

00:30:35.640 is not based on the inability of a woman. 0.73

00:30:38.880 Okay, we know we've all seen Beth Moore,

00:30:40.680 and we've all seen Priscilla Schreier.

00:30:43.460 You know, it's not an inability. 1.00

00:30:45.620 Okay, but rather, again, it's their inherent nature

00:30:48.660 or being, their greater susceptibility to deception,

00:30:55.140 and we're basing it on the teachings of scripture.

00:30:57.980 And so, again, we're not talking about

00:31:00.580 that they're incapable, we're talking about

00:31:02.400 that they're actually not designed for that.

00:31:05.060 You know, I think Doug Wilson talks about,

00:31:07.120 well, you can use a screwdriver as a chopstick.

00:31:13.140 You can do it.

00:31:13.980 It's not designed for that,

00:31:16.060 but you can eat spaghetti with it.

00:31:17.300 I mean, you can try that,

00:31:18.700 but that's not what it's for.

00:31:20.680 And I think that's what's happening in the church 0.99

00:31:22.520 is that a lot of women are doing male roles. 0.99

00:31:27.700 They can do that, 1.00

00:31:28.760 but they're not actually designed for that.

00:31:31.980 I mean, I think we see this in the military,

00:31:35.020 combat positions.

00:31:36.860 Men are designed for battle.

00:31:39.240 We're more aggressive, we're more accurate under pressure.

00:31:42.560 There's statistics after statistics

00:31:44.400 that prove this to be true.

00:31:47.980 And yet we still try to think that we're the same

00:31:51.860 instead of being different in being.

00:31:55.120 Now, church history provides several examples

00:31:58.380 to support what I'm talking about here

00:31:59.960 when examining the more recent history of women

00:32:03.220 who have self-identified themselves as, quote, theologians

00:32:06.680 and engaged in the theological shepherding of other women,

00:32:11.560 it becomes apparent that a significant majority of them

00:32:15.140 have actually succumbed to what?

00:32:16.980 To heresies and emotionalism and unorthodox practices. 0.99

00:32:21.120 Show me a church with a rainbow flag 0.88

00:32:25.680 and a Black Lives Matter sign waving out front, 1.00

00:32:29.200 and I'll show you a woman pastor inside. 1.00

00:32:31.480 I mean, that is generally what's happening. 0.97

00:32:33.400 Not every case, but generally that's what we expect.

00:32:38.400 Even here, I'm looking for a church building for our church

00:32:41.140 and I find these beautiful buildings.

00:32:42.560 I see a rainbow flag out front. 0.60

00:32:44.680 I go to the website and boom, there it is, woman pastor.

00:32:47.900 And so again, I linked all types of examples here,

00:32:52.180 even from people like Beth Moore and Priscilla Schreier.

00:32:54.780 And so they're here in the article

00:32:56.700 if you want to go read them. 1.00

00:32:58.000 So Christian men, again, have a legitimate concern 1.00

00:33:00.860 for refusing to place their wives and daughters 0.99

00:33:03.940 for whom they are responsible for

00:33:06.000 under the theological shepherd of other women.

00:33:09.720 Now, as I mentioned in both podcasts, 0.62

00:33:12.320 much of the shift has been built

00:33:13.560 on the modern psychotherapy fallacy

00:33:15.740 that a person cannot speak

00:33:17.680 into what they have not experienced.

00:33:20.440 In other words, experience becomes the authority

00:33:23.060 instead of scripture.

00:33:24.660 And if experience is the authority,

00:33:27.220 I, as a man, can't speak into women's issues

00:33:29.960 because, of course, I am not a woman. 0.99

00:33:32.140 I don't have woman experiences.

00:33:34.440 And as a result, I become disqualified

00:33:36.600 to teach on women's issues 0.60

00:33:39.220 because I'm a mansplainer or whatever it may be.

00:33:42.340 And therefore, churches say, 0.98

00:33:44.560 well, we should hire a woman to come in 1.00

00:33:46.980 and teach theology to the women 1.00

00:33:48.340 because they're gonna do a better job than I will. 0.96

00:33:52.100 Even though I'm responsible for the souls

00:33:53.680 and care of these individuals,

00:33:55.020 I actually am gonna outsource that

00:33:56.180 to another woman that this is not something you would ever see in church history so male pastors

00:34:03.440 as a result what do they do they avoid shepherding women and theological issues and instead outsource

00:34:07.100 the duty again to the quote woman's pastor and so uh this reversal um sits at the heart of my

00:34:17.140 argument this reversal of roles uh where we're seeing this kind of shift again even in the church

00:34:24.480 because the church is influenced by feminism

00:34:26.560 more than we think.

00:34:28.860 Now, like Christ the church, 0.98

00:34:30.760 husbands are to be their wives,

00:34:33.080 their primary and earthly spiritual shepherd.

00:34:36.940 And according to scripture,

00:34:37.840 husbands have two responsibilities

00:34:39.220 regarding the theological development of their wives. 0.70

00:34:41.040 So first, they are to model Christ

00:34:43.840 by lovingly sanctifying them 1.00

00:34:45.960 and cleansing their wives 0.73

00:34:47.740 by the washing of water by the word.

00:34:49.800 That's Ephesians 5, 27. 0.99

00:34:51.500 Second, because women are to learn 0.77

00:34:54.400 from other men, their pastors, in silence and subjection. Again, you're going to see that in 0.88

00:35:01.180 1 Timothy 2, 11 to 12. A wife's husband is solely responsible for clarifying and interpreting 1.00

00:35:09.800 biblical and theological questions that arise from his wife. And that's in 1 Corinthians 14, 35. 0.94

00:35:16.400 So the same is true with children, right? Children are to come to their dad to ask questions about

00:35:21.720 God. And it's because dad is responsible as the primary shepherd of his children, Ephesians 6,

00:35:28.600 4, Proverbs 4, 1 through 4, Joshua 4, 21 through 24. So when a woman seeks to theologically 1.00

00:35:37.300 shepherd my wife or my daughter or my kids in a particular way, the females whom I'm responsible 0.97

00:35:46.980 for before the Lord, I'm very concerned. 1.00

00:35:52.420 And that's essentially what I'm trying

00:35:55.160 to kind of maybe whistleblow.

00:35:58.980 I'm like, hey, men, wake up.

00:36:01.940 Stop outsourcing the theological shepherding 1.00

00:36:03.820 of your wife to all of these women teachers. 0.99

00:36:07.780 No, it's your job to be the primary shepherd, 0.97

00:36:11.260 to be overseeing whatever is coming

00:36:13.880 into her heart and mind,

00:36:15.340 because you're responsible for her before the Lord.

00:36:19.140 Now, this concern also extends to pastors, right?

00:36:23.000 Pastors are also uniquely accountable to Christ

00:36:24.740 for female congregants,

00:36:27.080 their spiritual development 0.97

00:36:29.780 and their spiritual state, 1.00

00:36:31.040 their theological beliefs in a way that women are not. 0.95

00:36:34.400 Acts 20, 28 tells pastors,

00:36:37.120 quote, pay careful attention to yourselves

00:36:38.800 and to all the flock

00:36:40.020 in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers

00:36:43.120 to care for the church of God,

00:36:44.340 which he obtained with his own blood, end quote.

00:36:47.700 Now, this degree of responsibility

00:36:49.100 is further expressed

00:36:51.080 in a variety of passages of scriptures,

00:36:52.960 1 Peter 5, 2-3, 1 Timothy 4, 16, and Titus 1, 9.

00:36:58.260 Now, for example, in a biblical congregation,

00:37:01.620 a member, male or female, 0.97

00:37:03.740 they're gonna commit themselves

00:37:05.120 to that particular church's statement of faith

00:37:08.260 and theological convictions.

00:37:09.420 This is very common.

00:37:10.600 In many churches, they actually take membership vows

00:37:12.780 to stay to that statement of faith. 0.82

00:37:16.480 And so when a woman moves into theological positions, 0.97

00:37:19.740 think about Calvinism, paedo-baptism, 0.95

00:37:22.580 open theism, patriarchy, post-millennialism,

00:37:26.280 Molinism, theonomy, whatever, right? 0.95

00:37:28.360 When a woman moves into one of these positions 1.00

00:37:30.020 without the awareness or support of her husband

00:37:32.400 and her pastor, she puts herself in a precarious position.

00:37:36.960 She pits her conscience and newfound convictions

00:37:40.140 on this particular theological matter

00:37:42.140 against her husband's spiritual authority

00:37:44.780 in their marriage

00:37:46.480 and her pastor's spiritual authority in her church.

00:37:49.800 And the husband has to either follow his wife

00:37:51.840 into this new doctrine, 0.77

00:37:52.740 which is, again, the opposite,

00:37:54.360 not ideal order for theological development at a home,

00:37:57.100 or he has to shepherd her back to orthodoxy

00:38:00.420 into the position that he believes is sound

00:38:04.700 and that allows them to maintain oneness in their marriage.

00:38:08.500 And as for the pastor,

00:38:09.400 depending on the circumstances, 0.98

00:38:10.360 he might need to revoke a woman's membership from the church if she adopts one of these other

00:38:16.260 positions. And like her husband, he might need to shepherd her back to orthodoxy. Now, this is,

00:38:24.200 again, the fundamental issue that I am having with women teaching other women theology, 1.00

00:38:32.080 is that by doing so, these women assume a spiritual authority that does not rightfully 1.00

00:38:37.000 belong to them they take on the role of guiding the wives daughters and parishioners of husbands 0.54

00:38:44.360 fathers and pastors who alone bear the responsibility for their spiritual and moral well-being

00:38:51.720 that is the core that is the core of what i'm talking about if there was a group of adults

00:38:58.200 that were interested in parenting your child in ways that only you should be parenting your child

00:39:06.280 i think about like the public school system for example is maybe one of those

00:39:10.280 you would be right to be concerned about those adults that are interested in parenting your

00:39:15.160 child and all the ways that you should be parenting your child uh you should be even

00:39:19.320 more concerned if your children begin to prefer to be parented by those other adults rather than

00:39:27.080 being parented by you and in a sense that's really kind of a parallel illustration to the issue

00:39:35.240 at hand. Just as parents are uniquely called and equipped to care and guide for their own children,

00:39:42.920 fathers, husbands, and pastors are uniquely called and equipped to care for the spiritual development

00:39:49.040 of their wives and their children. So deviating from this biblical structure not only raises

00:39:54.940 concerns about the distortion of spiritual authority, but also highlights the potential

00:40:00.440 consequences that arise when individuals seek guidance from sources that are outside of their

00:40:07.000 God-ordained channels. Okay, so women teaching theology in church history. I want to talk about 0.96

00:40:13.800 this for a second. One of the key reasons I hold so firmly to my position is the lack of historical

00:40:19.280 evidence showing women teaching theology to other women. Now, again, we're going to talk about this 0.79

00:40:25.940 in a minute, but when I'm talking about teaching theology, I'm not talking about like two women

00:40:29.780 sitting next to a fire in the winter over tea talking about the doctrines of grace. I'm not 0.95

00:40:38.240 talking about that. I'm talking about the giant movement of women that are trying to have theological 0.99

00:40:48.120 conferences and workshops and Bible studies and expositional work that are inviting hundreds of

00:40:55.100 women to have theological development under their care, and these women that are growing and more

00:41:01.120 interested and preferring to be theologically shepherded from other women rather than their

00:41:06.620 husbands and rather than their pastors, they like to be under the woman's, quote, pastor. I'm talking 0.87

00:41:11.800 about just, again, this movement at large here. And so please catch my drift when I'm communicating

00:41:18.480 getting about this issue. 0.99

00:41:20.280 Now, when examining the accounts of influential women

00:41:24.520 throughout scripture in church history,

00:41:27.380 but I'm gonna say biblical history

00:41:28.480 because I'm talking about the New Testament.

00:41:30.980 Mary, the mother of Jesus, Priscilla, Junior,

00:41:35.720 Mary Magdalene, there's no biblical record

00:41:39.100 of these women engaging in theological instruction

00:41:43.340 to other women.

00:41:45.060 Now, Priscilla and her husband Aquila

00:41:47.300 are mentioned in Acts 18, 24 to 26

00:41:50.320 as offering clarification of the gospel to Apollos.

00:41:54.480 Or Mary Magdalene is telling the disciples

00:41:57.920 about the resurrected Christ in John 21 through 18.

00:42:01.720 But that's a stretch to cite those specific instances

00:42:05.500 in scripture as supportive evidence

00:42:07.480 for women's theological ministries.

00:42:09.500 Instead, it demonstrates a specific instance

00:42:11.920 of providing guidance or conveying information

00:42:15.860 to an individual rather than serving as an endorsement

00:42:19.360 for widespread women's theological teaching ministry.

00:42:22.920 So there's a difference between what we see,

00:42:25.340 again, descriptively versus prescriptive instruction

00:42:31.180 for women in the New Testament.

00:42:34.060 Now, when we're exploring notable women in later centuries,

00:42:38.000 such as Perpetua or Felicity,

00:42:40.440 these women were martyred for their faith

00:42:42.040 in the third century.

00:42:43.300 But again, there's no indication of them functioning

00:42:45.680 as theological teachers.

00:42:48.400 Cassia, a renowned 9th century hymn writer

00:42:51.580 is recognized for her musical contributions,

00:42:53.600 but again, not for her theological instruction.

00:42:56.700 Again, I know there's some overlap there.

00:43:00.020 Argula von Grumbach, I believe is how you say her name,

00:43:03.260 the first Protestant woman.

00:43:05.040 She was a journalist in the 16th century,

00:43:07.320 focused on promoting and defending Reformation figures

00:43:10.340 like Martin Luther, Philip Melanchthon,

00:43:14.020 but she did not, again, have a ministry focusing on theological instruction for other women.

00:43:20.400 We have remarkable women like Anne Boleyn, Queen of England. She played a significant role in

00:43:28.100 advancing the Protestant Reformation. Figures like Elizabeth Melville, Susanna Wesley,

00:43:34.320 they contributed through poetry, their personal piety. There was, again, no evidence of them

00:43:40.940 engaging in formal ministries, teaching women theology.

00:43:44.920 Instead, what we see in church history

00:43:46.620 is we witness godly women renowned for their reverence,

00:43:50.560 commitment to mercy ministries,

00:43:52.220 which is caring for the poor,

00:43:53.980 dealing with social issues, services to their local church.

00:43:58.960 They're known for loving their families well

00:44:01.080 and passing on practical skills and wisdom

00:44:03.200 and lessons to future generations.

00:44:06.780 These women were women that are exemplifying virtues

00:44:10.340 that were integral to their faith,

00:44:13.920 but there's a noticeable absence

00:44:15.920 of documented instances

00:44:18.500 of women teaching theology to other women.

00:44:22.100 In fact, before the 20th century,

00:44:23.800 the concept of a local evangelical church

00:44:26.440 commissioning a woman to teach theology

00:44:31.360 or walk the feminine portion of the congregation

00:44:36.720 through an exposition of a particular Bible study 1.00

00:44:40.760 was utterly non-existent.

00:44:43.640 You will not find it.

00:44:45.400 I tried to find it.

00:44:46.580 I tried to find anything.

00:44:47.760 I spent two and a half hours,

00:44:49.560 and I'm a researcher,

00:44:50.800 meaning that I actually,

00:44:51.980 I spent many years researching.

00:44:54.820 I know how to research effectively,

00:44:56.660 and I couldn't find any instances

00:44:59.800 of a parallel nature

00:45:03.540 to what we have today in the church.

00:45:05.920 it just doesn't exist now if you find something said it to me but i could not find anything

00:45:13.060 meaning that at least at large vastly there is not a movement in church history of women teaching

00:45:23.280 theology to other women no this is the domain of men it doesn't again were there women having

00:45:30.000 theological discussions and making you know contributions to their church and some other

00:45:34.220 facet absolutely women they're still having theological discourse with one another but

00:45:40.080 there's not this again theological shepherding movement of women teaching women other theology

00:45:44.540 they would teach other women the curriculum of titus 2 which is to love their husbands and love

00:45:50.780 their children and to uh talking about homemaking and talking about what is good for a woman

00:45:55.820 and uh yes again those things overlap with theology but the the historical witness of the

00:46:05.640 church is out of alignment with what we have today and we are living in the third wave third

00:46:12.820 wave feminism so we we do have to realize that hey we are actually living in a unique time

00:46:18.900 and uh we we are doing things that the church never did and we should really think about that

00:46:24.320 And so, considering this historical context, it's crucial to acknowledge that either every generation of the Christian church has failed and improperly restrained women from participating in theological teaching ministries, or that our generation has been so influenced by the feminist movement that we have permitted women to take up roles of theological shepherding that are out of alignment with Scripture.

00:46:51.900 And so, again, ultimately, I agree that women have played vital roles within the church,

00:46:57.660 caring even for children and catechizing their own children.

00:47:03.160 But again, historically, their impact has been more focused on practical aspects,

00:47:08.380 compassionate service, nurturing the faith of other women and children

00:47:12.580 through, again, more of that one-on-one discipleship conversations

00:47:19.600 and pointing them back to the God-ordained channels

00:47:24.880 of authority and spiritual responsibility for them. 0.97

00:47:28.660 And so when a woman comes to you

00:47:29.920 and she has these questions about theology,

00:47:33.920 you're having discourse around some of these topics.

00:47:36.340 And what you want to do as a woman, 0.85

00:47:38.220 you want to point them back,

00:47:39.320 say, hey, you know, this is a great conversation,

00:47:40.660 but you really do need to,

00:47:43.780 before you adopt this position,

00:47:46.060 you really should talk to your husband about this.

00:47:48.040 You really should ask your husband some of these questions.

00:47:51.240 I've asked my husband some of these questions.

00:47:53.240 These are the questions and statements you should be making.

00:47:55.120 Or if they don't have a husband, then pointing them back to their pastor.

00:47:58.300 Or if they're not married and young, you point them to their father.

00:48:02.060 You don't want to take up that responsibility 0.99

00:48:05.260 of shepherding a woman into a theological position 0.59

00:48:09.500 when you're not responsible for her soul before God

00:48:13.340 like her father or her husband or her or her pastor is and so again just watching those territories

00:48:20.380 there so i want to take a minute just to define theology we live in a time when people want to

00:48:27.820 homogenize and equalize everything and they say that men and women are the same that adults and

00:48:35.740 children are essentially the same and we're seeing this with oh your child your child can totally

00:48:39.980 choose their gender right because they're basically an adult right i mean they can

00:48:43.340 they can make those decisions right uh you know there's also this movement in the church of

00:48:47.900 of pastors and parishioners are the same um and it's an unfortunate fallacy uh dr anthony wood who

00:48:55.420 is uh one of the critics of this position uh starting in a video that he did at uh time code

00:49:01.820 30 minutes and 25 seconds um he falls prey to this fallacy he says this quote uh and it sounds

00:49:09.340 good when you hear it it says you know all theology is is god logic we're all theologians

00:49:15.660 and god wants us to know who he is and that's theology don't let anyone tell you that you can't

00:49:22.220 help other people grow in theology end quote now if you listen to these episodes you know that i've

00:49:29.500 never talked about the idea of not letting up women learn theology we must have women learn

00:49:36.860 theology i'm talking about how women are theologically shepherded is it through uh

00:49:46.060 women ministries uh of women teaching them theology or is it actually through their pastor

00:49:52.860 or through their husband or through their father that's taking them and who's who's responsible for

00:49:58.220 or their beliefs about God, their morality before God.

00:50:04.020 And so, you know, he makes this statement

00:50:06.740 and sure, in a sense, we're all theologians, right?

00:50:10.040 You can't, it's hard to go, I disagree with that.

00:50:12.380 No, it's sure, in a sense, yeah, we're all theologians.

00:50:15.180 But let's just apply this way of thinking

00:50:17.280 to some other spheres.

00:50:18.260 I mean, we're all scientists, right?

00:50:19.680 Cause I mean, we do some science, right?

00:50:22.280 I mean, every day we do some sort of science, right?

00:50:24.380 So we're all scientists, right?

00:50:25.360 We're all doctors.

00:50:26.120 I mean, I mean, I certainly have diagnosed my kids with certain things and, and treated them

00:50:31.280 with different supplements. And I mean, so essentially, essentially, I'm a doctor, right?

00:50:35.940 I mean, we're all doctors, right? You know, you know, we're all, you know, I've made things,

00:50:41.540 you know, and we, you know, we've, we've made things in our backyard and we built things over

00:50:45.220 the years. I mean, we're all engineers, right? We're all engineers, right? No, you know, again,

00:50:49.540 in a sense, we're all those things. But what Anthony Wood is attempting to standardize and

00:50:56.040 neutralize this term, in my opinion, to support his bias and his view. And so the truth is that

00:51:02.040 we're not all theologians. In the context of this conversation, like what I'm talking about,

00:51:09.360 when we're using the term theologian here, we're talking about shepherds, we're talking about

00:51:13.500 pastoral, we're not actually all theologians in that sense. And Webster Dictionary defines a

00:51:23.880 theologian as, quote, someone who is an expert in theology. Now, I know we live in a generation that

00:51:30.180 thinks they're an expert in everything, you know, because they read, you know, four articles on the

00:51:33.440 internet, all of a sudden the expert. But, you know, Chad GPT, actually, I asked Chad GPT to

00:51:39.660 define a theologian, and it said, quote, a scholar or an expert in the field of theology who engages

00:51:45.960 in critical analysis, interpretation, and reflection on religious texts, traditions,

00:51:50.900 and philosophical concepts, end quote.

00:51:52.980 Okay, again, this is certainly not the description

00:51:55.420 of every Christian.

00:51:57.820 When I say, you know, or when Anthony Wood says,

00:52:01.020 we're all theologians, like that,

00:52:02.980 that's not really true.

00:52:05.640 Yeah, we're all theologians in a sense,

00:52:07.960 but we're not all scholars.

00:52:10.400 We're not all those individuals

00:52:12.320 who have studied the original languages

00:52:14.060 in Hebrew and Greek and understand systematic theology

00:52:16.540 and have spent a significant amount of time in their life

00:52:19.000 because they're called by God to know these things,

00:52:23.000 to be able to divide the truth from error,

00:52:25.980 to write and research and study and have discourse.

00:52:30.740 We're not all that.

00:52:32.640 We're not all theologians at that degree.

00:52:36.100 And many pastors actually

00:52:38.640 don't even call themselves theologians

00:52:40.240 because to be a theologian is a matter of specialization.

00:52:46.300 I mean, it really is.

00:52:47.340 is when I'm not a scholar,

00:52:50.760 I might be considered maybe a pastor theologian,

00:52:54.440 where I'm more of a...

00:52:57.200 Pastors are essentially generalists.

00:52:59.920 We need to know a lot,

00:53:01.500 or we need to know a little about a lot.

00:53:04.900 Scholars and theologians in the more formal definition

00:53:10.180 are specialists, right?

00:53:11.720 They need to know a lot about a little.

00:53:15.620 And so we're very different.

00:53:17.260 in that term.

00:53:18.100 And so when you go to seminary

00:53:20.140 and just because you're in seminary

00:53:22.500 doesn't mean you would ever call yourself a theologian.

00:53:24.980 If you even get like a doctorate of ministry,

00:53:26.880 you're not necessarily considered really

00:53:29.340 like a theologian or a scholar.

00:53:30.880 You would go for like a PhD program if you were a scholar.

00:53:34.100 And so there's differences there.

00:53:35.700 And I think the average Christian doesn't understand this,

00:53:38.000 but even our Christian publishing industry

00:53:41.580 understands what I think, again,

00:53:45.600 Anthony Wood misses here is if you look at Amazon,

00:53:48.760 there are over 50 categories of Christian literature,

00:53:52.080 and one of them is theology.

00:53:55.040 Out of the 50 categories of Christian books,

00:53:58.720 only one of those categories is theology, right?

00:54:02.220 So the subdirectory of just that theological section

00:54:06.800 includes angelology, demonology, anthropology,

00:54:10.000 apologetics, Christology, ecclesiology, eschatology,

00:54:13.240 ethics, history, liberation, Mariology,

00:54:16.780 pneumatology, soteriology, and systematics.

00:54:19.780 In other words, in a sense,

00:54:21.820 again, in a sense we're all theologians kind of,

00:54:25.760 but in the context of this discussion,

00:54:27.580 what I'm talking about around theological shepherds,

00:54:31.340 people who are qualified according to scripture,

00:54:34.680 designed in their very being

00:54:37.000 to communicate the truths of God

00:54:38.940 because they're responsible for the development

00:54:41.860 and nurturing of souls.

00:54:46.300 Those theologians, we're not all those people.

00:54:52.580 We're not all those people.

00:54:57.480 Doug Wilson, I would say, is a theologian.

00:54:59.220 John MacArthur is a theologian.

00:55:02.100 John Piper is a theologian.

00:55:04.040 Paul Washer is a theologian.

00:55:08.740 Tim Keller, who's actually in the middle

00:55:11.120 of passing away as we're recording this episode here

00:55:16.260 is a theologian.

00:55:20.180 We're not the same as those individuals, you know,

00:55:23.160 and Lord willing in some time as I continue to study,

00:55:26.800 maybe I'll be in those same categories,

00:55:29.360 but I would even be very slow to call myself a theologian.

00:55:35.700 And so the type of theologian I'm talking about

00:55:40.700 is, again, these rich, deeply trained individuals

00:55:49.820 that are able to correctly

00:55:52.760 and faithfully teach the word of God.

00:55:56.820 And so we're not all the same.

00:55:58.620 In both podcasts,

00:55:59.520 I want to talk about categories of theology real quick.

00:56:01.600 I emphasized the importance of breaking down

00:56:04.180 the concept of the word theology

00:56:06.160 into practical categories

00:56:07.820 that can relate to everyday life.

00:56:09.100 And so this approach aims to provide women with a clearer understanding of the limits within which their ministries to other women can operate.

00:56:19.600 And so I understand that the Bible does not give us explicit categories of theology, but all theology, in a sense, kind of overlaps.

00:56:26.420 When you talk about one thing about God, you essentially talk about everything.

00:56:30.020 And so there is overlap there.

00:56:32.600 But we do see this categorization in our Christian life.

00:56:36.920 So there are categories of theology.

00:56:40.220 And let me give you an example.

00:56:42.560 Like the type of theology that you learn at seminary

00:56:45.740 is different than the type of theology

00:56:47.800 that you learn on Sunday in the pulpit.

00:56:52.480 For people that don't go to seminary,

00:56:53.880 they might think that maybe it's the same, it's not.

00:56:56.600 And the stuff that you learn at seminary,

00:56:59.380 I've been in seminary for five years,

00:57:02.100 And seminary is deep.

00:57:06.860 There's a glossary of terms

00:57:09.160 that you're required to even have a level of clarity

00:57:14.340 on the vernacular before you can even enter

00:57:17.260 into the conversations at that level.

00:57:20.960 And so there's a distinct difference

00:57:22.800 between that type of theology

00:57:24.160 and the more practical, expositional,

00:57:26.860 gospel-focused, devotional-style theology

00:57:29.300 that you would hear on Sunday.

00:57:31.540 The type of theology required to make a good sourdough

00:57:34.140 is distinct from the theology required

00:57:37.400 to teach your five-year-old to stop lying.

00:57:41.200 So what I want to do is I want to present

00:57:43.260 a couple of categories, just again, as general markers,

00:57:47.420 knowing that every person's situation, again,

00:57:49.500 is going to be unique and that these categories

00:57:51.060 will require individual discernment from you. 0.89

00:57:53.420 But for this discussion, women will encounter 0.57

00:57:55.840 three general categories of theology.

00:57:57.700 And you need to figure out how you can distinguish these

00:57:59.780 because again, we're not all theologians,

00:58:02.700 meaning that we're not all the same.

00:58:04.300 And then if we go to theology,

00:58:06.160 all theology is not the same.

00:58:08.120 It's not.

00:58:09.220 I know we like to just make everything the same

00:58:11.000 in this generation,

00:58:12.160 but all theology is not the same.

00:58:14.680 And so three categories.

00:58:17.460 Number first category, biblical womanhood.

00:58:20.720 And this is focusing on issues surrounding

00:58:23.620 the practical development of Christian women.

00:58:28.160 so there's a whole bunch of theology that's in that area and i know you want to just think that

00:58:33.920 it's all the same it's not the same okay this is throughout church history this is the general zone

00:58:41.520 that women generally were known for is focusing on the issues surrounding the practical development

00:58:46.800 of christian women and motherhood and wifehood and uh homemaking and all the things that come

00:58:53.760 along with that modesty and reverence and prudence and you know all of it okay the second category is

00:59:00.960 devotional theology and this is focusing on the core tenets of the gospel and the general orthodox

00:59:08.880 truths of the christian faith and so this is the type of theology that you generally hear on sunday

00:59:15.520 this is the type of theology that you would see in all the historic statements of faith or

00:59:20.000 the catechisms um the catechisms to us seem like academic theology because we're so theologically

00:59:28.160 illiterate biblically illiterate that we are like overwhelmed by these fundamentals of the faith

00:59:36.480 like basic christianity to someone in the 1700s was it's like extreme christianity to someone

00:59:44.080 today. I remember Paul Washer actually said that he read a book on philosophy that was from

00:59:52.320 like, I think the 1700s. And he said it was the most intense, deep, rich book on philosophy that

01:00:04.260 he had ever seen. And then he found out that it was for junior high students in the 1700s.

01:00:10.440 that's that's kind of what's going on with us today is that devotional theology when you're

01:00:17.900 catechizing your kids you're like wow this is robust stuff well honestly it's not it's actually

01:00:24.580 like basic christianity we're just so biblically and theologically literate illiterate today

01:00:29.880 that it seems extreme okay the third category is academic theology and this is really the territory

01:00:37.480 that a lot of women I've been seeing are trying to enter. 0.99

01:00:42.640 And this is focusing on scholastic doctrines

01:00:46.000 that often lead to denominational divisions

01:00:48.400 and are generally studied by men

01:00:51.680 called the pastoral ministry.

01:00:54.660 Now, this is like,

01:00:58.500 when academic theology does deal with things

01:01:01.360 that divide denominations, 0.95

01:01:03.400 you're either gonna be a Baptist

01:01:04.220 or you're gonna be a Presbyterian,

01:01:05.620 or maybe you're gonna be a Lutheran,

01:01:06.700 you're going to be an anglican if you view it this way um and so academic theology is is

01:01:13.820 it can be very divisive within orthodoxy um so uh you know we can be unified without being uniform

01:01:23.100 you know we can be unified on the gospel but these secondary issues you know paedo-baptism

01:01:27.740 versus credo-baptism and paedo-communion versus credo-communion and pre-millennialism

01:01:32.060 versus dispensationalism and amillennialism versus postmillennialism and theonomy you know verse you

01:01:38.060 know uh your views on the trinity whatever it is these are very important categories and they're

01:01:45.580 upstream in a sense that they they can really divide um uh they can divide people into different

01:01:51.900 churches and so again not all categories of theology are the same so we notice that there's

01:01:56.380 not we're not all theologians in the same way we're categories of theology are not all the same

01:02:00.860 And now I want to talk about categories of teaching.

01:02:04.920 To assert that all forms of teaching are equal

01:02:08.340 would also be unwise.

01:02:10.740 They're not all the same.

01:02:12.520 The act of theological instruction

01:02:14.440 occurs across a spectrum of formats,

01:02:17.560 ranging from casual conversations among Christian friends

01:02:20.700 to structured lectures in a four-year,

01:02:24.420 rigorous PhD program at a seminary.

01:02:27.240 And so scripture even recognizes the distinction

01:02:31.360 between formal teaching and ordinary conversation.

01:02:33.680 It says in James 3, one, quote,

01:02:36.320 not many of you should become teachers, my brothers,

01:02:40.440 for you know that we who teach

01:02:43.880 will be judged with greater strictness, end quote.

01:02:47.360 This passage indicates that God has appointed

01:02:49.440 certain teachers, certain individuals who are brothers,

01:02:54.880 Adelphos. It's probably Adelphoi, I guess, in the plural. Brothers. This is masculine

01:03:02.380 men. This is men, okay? Some translations are going to want to change that to brethren 0.56

01:03:08.880 so that they can make it, you know, egalitarian. Oh, they're talking to the church. It's not just

01:03:13.300 men. It's not just men. It's all men and women. No. In the Greek, it's talking about men.

01:03:18.880 And Paul's not writing scriptures

01:03:21.140 in the first century letters to women.

01:03:24.960 No, that would just be so out of step

01:03:26.880 with the historical cultural reality of that day.

01:03:29.540 No, he's writing these letters to men.

01:03:31.800 And he knows that the men are gonna disseminate

01:03:34.020 this information to their wives and to their children.

01:03:36.880 And so, again, this passage indicates

01:03:41.700 that God has appointed certain teachers,

01:03:43.260 men within the church to build up the body.

01:03:46.100 and these men will be held to a higher level of accountability

01:03:49.020 for the weightiness of their role

01:03:51.340 and responsibility to teach.

01:03:52.920 Again, there are different classes of teaching.

01:03:57.080 You can have a great conversation

01:03:58.380 and teach somebody something over a cup of coffee,

01:04:01.180 but that is very different than the taking up the mantle

01:04:05.760 of theologically shepherding an individual

01:04:08.600 to a particular doctrine

01:04:11.540 that might cause division in their home or church

01:04:14.980 or cause them to move churches or...

01:04:17.920 So again, all scripture also encourages believers

01:04:23.940 to talk about Christ.

01:04:25.160 So we're all to talk about Christ, right?

01:04:26.940 Proclaim Christ, defend Christ in our everyday lives.

01:04:29.140 We need to do this.

01:04:29.980 This is Matthew 28, 19 to 20, 1 Peter 315,

01:04:32.800 Colossians 4, 5 through 6, Psalm 105, 1.

01:04:37.360 Recognizing the difference between formal

01:04:40.300 and informal modes of teaching is helpful

01:04:44.980 as it provides Christians with boundaries that determine what is appropriate according to their

01:04:50.100 being, according to their calling, according to their role within the body of Christ.

01:04:55.380 And so I've categorized, just again, trying to being helpful here, two types of teaching and

01:05:00.740 outline them with several characteristics that I can help distinguish them for you here in a second.

01:05:06.340 So we have, we're not all theologians in the same way. We're not all the same.

01:05:11.620 theology is not all the same we have biblical womanhood we have academic the our devotional

01:05:19.020 theology and academic theology and then we have different types of teaching we have

01:05:23.960 um informal teaching and we have formal teaching informal teaching is non-pastoral

01:05:32.800 non-authoritative non-systematic but it's informative you know it's casual conversation

01:05:40.220 I mean, these are conversations, group discussions,

01:05:43.420 social media discourse.

01:05:45.100 Maybe you're listening to an interview or testimonies

01:05:47.820 or maybe some worship music or biographies.

01:05:50.380 Many Christian books actually fall

01:05:51.820 into this category of informal.

01:05:53.900 They're not having authority over your life.

01:05:55.460 It's not necessarily pastoral.

01:05:58.060 It's not maybe systematic theology.

01:06:01.860 It's informative though.

01:06:03.300 And you can actually take that information

01:06:05.100 to your spiritual head and shepherd and as a woman,

01:06:10.660 and go, hey, what do you think about this?

01:06:12.660 Let's have a discussion around this.

01:06:13.620 What are your thoughts?

01:06:14.820 Can you help guide me in these directions?

01:06:16.440 Can you counsel me, pastor or husband or father?

01:06:20.380 And then you have formal teaching.

01:06:22.020 And formal teaching comes with responsibility.

01:06:25.180 Formal teaching is pastoral, it's authoritative,

01:06:27.620 it's systematic, again, it's responsible.

01:06:30.820 And this is pulpit preaching, this is Bible study,

01:06:33.760 This is Sunday schools.

01:06:35.200 This is conference lectures.

01:06:37.360 This is formal classes and courses and workshops,

01:06:40.940 training programs, seminary and mentorships

01:06:44.600 that you have, again, like a, I don't know,

01:06:47.320 you can have informal and formal mentors,

01:06:48.920 but you can have some authority and a mentorship.

01:06:52.060 But academic publications,

01:06:54.620 Louis Burkhoff's Systematic Theology,

01:06:58.080 these are some of these formal things. 0.99

01:07:01.700 And again, women need to be learning in this category. 1.00

01:07:05.500 I'm not saying that women can't learn 0.93

01:07:07.820 from formal teaching. 1.00

01:07:08.760 They certainly should be.

01:07:11.240 They should be reading

01:07:12.280 some of these academic publications.

01:07:14.040 They should be taking some of these classes

01:07:16.840 and courses and conference lectures and things like that.

01:07:19.660 Those are great. 1.00

01:07:20.780 They just should be by men. 0.97

01:07:23.740 They should be by men. 1.00

01:07:25.000 They should be by men that their husbands 0.85

01:07:26.580 and their pastors and their fathers have approved

01:07:29.000 and are not going to create conflicts

01:07:32.580 within their own marriage and authority structures.

01:07:35.360 And so in our current generation,

01:07:36.920 we must, again, constantly fight against this inclination

01:07:40.280 to blur boundaries and treat everything as if it's equal.

01:07:45.080 As we know, establishing boundaries

01:07:47.340 will often be viewed as legalistic.

01:07:49.660 It'll be viewed as discriminatory.

01:07:51.620 It's not.

01:07:53.040 Okay, we have to be willing to confine ourselves

01:07:55.880 to our God-given beings

01:07:58.760 roles work and responsibilities we have to confine yourself to that territory that's the

01:08:07.720 mess of this generation is that we have just treated ourselves if we're all the same and if

01:08:14.700 we're all the same we can just basically just keep treating each other as if there's no distinctions

01:08:20.800 or differences between us and that's the mess that we're in and so this generation would benefit

01:08:26.440 from a clearer understanding of these limitations

01:08:30.520 and helping people have boundaries

01:08:33.720 and stay within their respected stations. 1.00

01:08:37.820 And women, you know this. 1.00

01:08:39.240 I mean, imagine if you tried to go, 1.00

01:08:40.560 you restrain yourself from getting in the pulpit

01:08:42.640 on Sunday and preaching.

01:08:44.200 There's a clear boundary there.

01:08:46.120 I'm just saying that there's other boundaries here.

01:08:47.620 There's categories of teaching

01:08:49.220 and what you should be communicating.

01:08:52.300 There's types of teaching.

01:08:54.180 There's types of theology.

01:08:55.580 And so I'm trying to give you guys helpful markers

01:09:00.580 of boundaries for your journey.

01:09:02.460 Now, I'm gonna close here.

01:09:04.580 The ultimate solution to this whole mess

01:09:07.460 is while this article or this podcast,

01:09:14.140 again, my intention has been to offer clarity

01:09:16.920 and practicality in restoring biblical boundaries

01:09:19.120 for theological shepherding for both men and women,

01:09:22.520 it's not by itself a comprehensive or lasting solution.

01:09:27.840 This article, this podcast,

01:09:30.000 this is just intended to start a conversation

01:09:32.520 within the church to reform back

01:09:35.700 to the biblical channels of authority

01:09:38.600 within the home, within the church, within society,

01:09:42.840 around men and women,

01:09:43.920 specifically around theological instruction and education.

01:09:47.260 Now, the ultimate remedy lies in cultivating

01:09:49.520 a generation of biblical, godly, loving, and willing men

01:09:55.800 who will assume spiritual responsibility

01:09:59.480 for the women under their care. 1.00

01:10:02.060 So ladies, raise up some godly little boys. 0.51

01:10:06.280 Men, please raise up some godly men.

01:10:10.380 Walk in your biblical role. 1.00

01:10:12.980 So many women are walking to other women 1.00

01:10:15.420 And because of necessity, 1.00

01:10:17.880 because their stinking husband or father or pastor 0.95

01:10:22.420 isn't providing them a sufficient amount 0.99

01:10:26.000 of theological guidance. 1.00

01:10:29.040 And so when men won't lead, women will turn other places.

01:10:32.520 Now, again, we both have roles to play, right? 1.00

01:10:34.000 So women need to confine themselves and stop doing that. 1.00

01:10:36.340 And men need to step up. 0.99

01:10:39.200 And so fathers, pastors,

01:10:42.540 they must earnestly strive to raise up men

01:10:45.160 who are eager and ready to shepherd, qualified, capable.

01:10:48.840 And it's going to require equipping them

01:10:50.840 with the necessary knowledge and skills

01:10:52.320 to lead their wives and children

01:10:53.400 in the study of God's word.

01:10:54.820 It demands fostering a continuous hunger

01:10:57.580 for theological growth and maturity.

01:11:00.240 We need to be doing this in men at our churches.

01:11:03.520 And to achieve this,

01:11:05.000 we have to emphasize the importance

01:11:07.440 of intentional discipleship among men,

01:11:11.240 providing resources and support for men

01:11:13.460 to develop their spiritual confidence

01:11:14.880 and authority in addition we should encourage and facilitate opportunities for men to engage

01:11:23.120 in theological education and discourse and mentoring and accountability

01:11:28.560 if we would just spend so much it's so frustrating like i was reading a stat that was like i don't

01:11:34.320 know seven percent of the family comes to christ if the kids come to christ first and it was like

01:11:41.760 like 20% of the family comes to Christ

01:11:45.060 if the mom comes to Christ first.

01:11:47.980 And then it was like 94% of the families come to Christ

01:11:53.440 if dad comes first.

01:11:56.980 And if that's true,

01:12:00.500 which I've seen several studies that prove that to be true,

01:12:03.800 why the heck are we spending so much money

01:12:05.860 on children's ministries, right?

01:12:08.740 because if we're investing thousands,

01:12:14.060 millions of dollars in children's ministries

01:12:15.760 at our church, yet men's ministries

01:12:18.820 and equipping men is actually the way

01:12:21.320 that we're seeing more people come to Christ

01:12:23.860 because if dad comes to Christ,

01:12:26.240 we have a covenantal reality there

01:12:28.320 of proclamation and authority and spiritual authority.

01:12:32.280 It just doesn't make sense. 1.00

01:12:33.720 We need to be investing into more men's ministries 1.00

01:12:38.400 and just masculine churches. 1.00

01:12:43.440 Just get rid of this effeminate stuff 1.00

01:12:46.160 that's at the church,

01:12:47.060 start attracting more godly, strong men.

01:12:51.720 And so when we do this,

01:12:53.600 we focus on developing strong male leaders

01:12:55.700 within the church,

01:12:56.280 we can create an environment 0.99

01:12:57.340 where the desire of women

01:12:59.860 to seek other women for theological guidance

01:13:02.160 can be reduced

01:13:03.520 and where they can flourish

01:13:05.920 under the loving guidance

01:13:07.000 and protection of their fathers and their husbands and their pastors and again this approach

01:13:14.680 aligns with the biblical principles and promotes the biblical order of authority and care

01:13:19.320 within the family and the church that is essentially what we're trying to do and so

01:13:26.360 that's the end of the article you can read it it's titled on relearn.org

01:13:32.120 resolving the question,

01:13:34.560 what is a woman's role in theological education?

01:13:38.240 It's not a perfect article, neither is this podcast.

01:13:41.360 It's really my first attempt

01:13:45.300 to open up a discussion to the church

01:13:49.540 and raise a red flag about what we're seeing, 0.93

01:13:52.220 about how much feminism has influenced the church,

01:13:54.980 and how do we get back to raising up godly men,

01:14:00.100 to theologically shepherd their wives and daughters

01:14:04.840 and feminine female parishioners 0.73

01:14:09.180 so that women aren't turning to other women 1.00

01:14:12.180 for their theological development. 1.00

01:14:16.040 And again, using this phrase as academic theology

01:14:18.400 versus devotional theology,

01:14:19.860 please listen to all the episodes,

01:14:21.480 episode one, episode two, episode three,

01:14:23.120 if you want ultimate clarity.

01:14:25.300 And again, it's not a perfect defense.

01:14:29.060 It's just a conversation that's starting.

01:14:30.860 And I think it's been fruitful

01:14:33.020 and I hope it's helpful for your journey as a Christian,

01:14:37.240 understanding your biblical roles

01:14:39.900 that God has designed for men and women.

01:14:42.040 So if this episode has been helpful for you

01:14:43.880 and you found our podcast to be a blessing to you

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01:14:56.760 They are very encouraging to me.

01:14:59.160 On that note, thank you for listening

01:15:01.260 to this episode of Real Christianity.

01:15:02.640 My name is Dale Partridge.

01:15:03.720 I'll see you guys next time.

Dale Partridge - May 24, 2023

Should Women Teach Theology to Other Women？ With Dale Partridge

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