Ultimate Marriage #11： Our 4-Part Process For Fighting, Forgiving, and Forgetting
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In this episode, we talk about how we fight, forgive, and forget in our marriages. We also talk about the biblical process we go through in order to learn how to deal with conflict in our marriage and family.
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Hey everyone, welcome to Ultimate Marriage. Today we're going to be talking about
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how we fight, forgive, and forget. So, fun conversation today, and I am excited to talk
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about it. I think it's a common need in the church today. Some expectations before we
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had an issue at a kidney stone and this week my stomach's hurting and we're trying to make
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we're trying to help with um what are we talking about today how we fight forgive and forget
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so just give us your veronica just give us your experience of of you know the fight life
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oh man where do i begin i'm just kidding we know nothing about this um all right on a serious note
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um the first two and a half to three years of our marriage especially the first two
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were just a nightmare we fought tooth and nail like crazy yell at the top of our lungs whoever
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can get the loudest one i guess and uh we would threaten divorce we would leave the house i would
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i would leave get in the car and take off for a couple of hours not tell you where i was and
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oh man it was it was a nightmare and i and i was really bad at holding grudges too
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like not just like for the rest of the night like for days yeah yeah and um you know so a couple
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things guys you know we have a four-step process that we follow now that is a i think a biblical
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process we'll talk about that here in a little bit we want to share that with you on how we fight
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right i guess would be able to say that um so a couple things disagreements and discussions are
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very normal in a marriage fighting is sinful so if you guys fight a lot you're sinning a lot
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Okay, that's just a real reality is that a fight is sinful and we want to Christian marriage should not be having a fighting marriage and fighting really occurs when there's at least one but generally two prideful people in the room.
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And I'm going to actually say two because you can't argue with a humble person and a lot of people think that fear is the enemy of love.
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I believe that pride is the enemy of love or at least one of the enemies of love and pride is the.
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core heart of of a marital fight and um so yeah we're going to talk about the uh the way that we
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fight and the way that we actually don't even fight the way that we have a disagreement
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disagreement yeah that's and come to a conclusion yeah so yeah today we rarely fight we don't fight
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pretty much at all i mean it very rarely does something like that come up um but it's literally
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like nothing compared to how it used to be when we first got married and so what
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Dale and I do is we try and follow this four-step process that is rooted in
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Scripture to get to a conclusion to become unified again and to have peace
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in our marriage again yeah and people this is a thing that I think that a lot
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of the people in the church need I mean I think Christian couples are really good
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in the publicity department I mean that they can actually put on kind of like an
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academy award-winning level you know performance that everything's good over here and we're okay
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when we get home we fight like cats and dogs but hey you know on the internet and at church we're
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good but the reality is is that uh god marriage is in turmoil your marriage is turmoil and and
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just because people don't see it god does see it and so uh let's talk about a few scriptures
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that are important for the conversation uh about fighting these are just precursor scriptures
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that we're going to mention that I think set the foundation
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for a proper discussion, debate, argument in a marriage.
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Yeah, they're good scriptures to know when you're, like you said,
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Love does not parade itself, does not puffed up,
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does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked.
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that word provoked or there means is not easily offended
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does not rejoice in iniquity but rejoices in the truth
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I want you guys to just have that in consideration
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Let each one of you look not only to his own interests
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you need to be looking to the interest of your spouse
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than the outcome for ourselves, meaning that we should be looking at growth. We should be hoping
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for unity, for their emotions, their heart. And, you know, we have to realize that we're not having
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a conversation with a problem. We're having a conversation with a person. And, and we can't
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fight, if we fight just against the problem, we could just wound that person really badly.
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And if you just realize that you're talking to a person, you need to treat them as Christ would
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treat them it's just a really important process that that has helped us find restoration is just
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having a biblical mindset on fighting and so we're going to talk about our our four-point process of
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how we fight which means for us is have a discussion have a discussion yeah because we
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don't really fight anymore but you can apply this on top of if you guys get into fight mode like it's
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fight night so yeah there but there was a transition we didn't just like go from fighting
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like cats and dogs to not fighting at all it was learning this process and like getting mad and
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angry and wanting to fight and then having self-control and controlling ourselves and
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you know just yeah carrying out the conversation um in a much more healthy manner yeah totally so
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um our first step that dale and i usually well always um start with is the offended spouse gets
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to speak first. So that's, you know, tally point number one. And in Matthew 18, 15, it says,
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if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he
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listens to you, you have gained your brother. So first, what I will do is I'll go up to Dale and
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instead of just spewing out my offense, I'll let him know that, hey, there's something that I'd
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like to discuss with you. And typically he knows what that means. Like it's, it's not usually like,
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unicorns and dandelions it's okay we need a discussion needs to be had yes and um and so
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we'll set up a time to get together to have that discussion we're not going to have it right then
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and there especially if there's going to be tension or frustration um right about to go to
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dinner or we have friends coming over or our kids are in the room yeah um not that we haven't had
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these discussions in front of our kids because we have in a healthy manner we're not yelling at each
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other. Um, but we'll set up a time typically in the evening after her kids go to bed. Um,
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and so what, like going back to that scripture, I'm going to go straight to Dale once we are at
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that time. Yeah. She's not going to go tell her friends. I'm not going to go to my friends. I'm
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not going to go to my mentor. I'm not going to go to his mentor to have his mentor call him and
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correct his behavior. She's done before in the early years. I've done that before. Yes. That
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was a long time ago and i don't do that anymore it was bad and and um but that was again like in
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the first couple years of marriage yeah and so yeah don't go to anybody else go to the person
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who has offended the offended you first yep and so once we're at that schedule time i'll go ahead
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and do that um and a rule that we stick to which is i think where a lot of couples can really
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struggle i know we used to really struggle with this it kind of just snowballs is people start
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to bring in other offenses and other things well you always do this and you always do this and
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um so our role is to stick to the issue don't bring in past offenses don't bring up um other
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people's flaws it's stick to the issue um and yeah that's been focused on that point yeah it really
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is if you're bringing up past offenses you know it says in first corinthians 13 that love keeps
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no record. Are you keeping a record of offenses? If you are, that's sinful. Well, and if you're
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keeping a record of offenses, then you never really forgave them in the first place. Exactly.
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It's resentment and bitterness, which we'll talk about in a little bit. And so we don't do that.
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Mature Christian couples, biblical couples do not do that. And again, we used to be this way.
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So just know we are speaking from walking outside of these boundaries, outside of these.
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I do believe that we can look you in the eye and say, follow our example.
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So we're not hypocrites in saying this, but it is hard.
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And so we're empathetic to that process of how hard it is.
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So step one is to the offended spouse gets to speak first.
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Step two is the offended, the offending spouse gets to humbly respond or repent.
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You get to respond if it's a illegitimate accusation.
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You get to respond with, you know, some sort of, well, let me explain, actually.
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Let me bring some clarity to your curiosity or to your criticism that you brought here.
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If it's legit, then it's time for repentance, and we'll talk about that.
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My stomach hurts because I've eaten so much humble pie.
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Yeah, I've had to literally, in our house church, stand up and repent to the entire church because of my behavior before.
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But the reality is, is I understand how painful that is to our flesh, to walk in the spirit and do something humble.
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it's from the guy that disciples me, Matt Jacobson,
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So Proverbs 9, I'm going to read this real quick.
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It says, rebuke a wise man and he will love you for it,
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A godly, wise man or woman appreciates being corrected.
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it's the fastest way to a healthy marriage if there's something wrong if your spouse if you're
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one and unified with your spouse and there's something hurting them you should be ready and
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excited to correct that so that you can be one again you shouldn't want to be divided and that's
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that's so just again remember that rebuke a wise man and he's going to love you for it that's
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wisdom right there proverbs 15 1 i'm gonna give you another proverb here it says a soft answer
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turns away wrath but a harsh word stirs up anger um what do you want to say on that i'm just i've
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had this one memorized before i mean it's i'm a little rusty but yeah i'm in our personality
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traits i'm definitely more likely to get angry easier than you do i'm get flustered easier than
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you so i've had that had to have that scripture memorized not only just for our marriage but even
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in parenting yeah harsh answer turns away a soft answer yeah so yeah just being very just tone of
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your voice control yourself um you know i'm looking at my notes here there's a massive difference also
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i want to say between being apologetic and being repentant an apology means i'm sorry being
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repentant means that i'm changing my behavior there's that quote that says the best apology
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is change behavior um that's repentance okay repentance means the word literally means to
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turn from or to turn away from means that you're no longer going to behave that way
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yeah i think it's actually both because i can tend to um if i've offended you or i've done
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something wrong even if i know i did like spoke to the kids too harshly i'm better i'm pretty
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good at being like okay well i just won't do that again and just try and make it better from there
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where I actually haven't repented yet. Sure. Like to them. Yes. And so when I humble myself
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and apologize for my actions to your face or to the kids, which I did that earlier today, I
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thought on Ari's case about doing or about yelling. And, uh, she was like, Oh no, that
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wasn't me. It was honor. And their voices sound so much alike. And I turned the corner and it was
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honor. Um, and so I had to apologize to her. I'm like, I'm so sorry. I thought that was you anyway.
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um so acknowledging it and repenting for it they both need to happen yeah yeah and we got to
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remember that christianity is about dying it's a it's a faith of self-denial jesus says to pick
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up your cross monthly no he says to pick up your cross daily and you know we have to you know the
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cross is the instrument that destroys your flesh it literally kills your flesh aw tozer says
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allow the cross to do its deadly work in your life.
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He puts his flesh into subjection of his spirit,
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It requires that in an argument, in a discussion.
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and I will not fulfill the desires of the flesh.
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And Veronica's going to talk about the defensiveness part of it because that's another thing.
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Yeah, like if there's an issue that I want to approach Dale with and you're instantly defensive every time,
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it makes me afraid to bring up any type of correction or offense to you.
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I've trained her to believe that when you bring something, I'm going to fight back.
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You're not that way anymore, but we've grown through that.
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And every now and then, we can struggle with it.
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But for the most part, you're definitely ready to listen now.
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Yeah, defensiveness is a declaration that you're not wanting to grow or not willing to grow.
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Point number three, the offended spouse gets to forgive.
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Veronica and I have struggled with this conversation about forgiveness for a long time.
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Veronica can speak to her own experience with this.
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She was in a home where she didn't see forgiveness modeled a lot.
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um very rarely if ever yeah i think you know i can probably count on one hand the amount of times
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um i would see someone asking for forgiveness in my house as a child yeah so it's it's something
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that we've been trained by our experience and um just because that happened to us doesn't mean
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that we get to behave like that we get to be sanctified in the word of truth just like everybody
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else. So Matthew 6, 15 says, but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your
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father forgive your trespasses. This is the words of Jesus. That scripture should scare you. How
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many unforgiven people are in heaven? Zero. None. And so don't mess around with that scripture.
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You can have theological gymnastics around that, but C.S. Lewis and myself would come to the same
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conclusion. I've studied what he said about this specific scripture. But if you don't forgive men
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their trespasses, neither will your father forgive you. And so if you want to not forgive your spouse,
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you're dancing in the danger zone, at the very least, of your eternal security. It's a scary
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thing. And sure, there's a fantastic argument, I'm sure, against what I'm saying. But the reality is
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there are two pretty prominent camps in theology on this, and one of them is filled with great
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theologians and makes the same case as I do. So be very, very careful with that scripture,
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to say the least. Ephesians 4.32, Paul says, he also says this in Colossians,
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and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God and Christ
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forgave you. We forgive our spouse because we've been forgiven. You know, withholding forgiveness
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You know how you are reconciled with God the Father
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And then you're going to not forgive this one small trespass.
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There is a parable about this that you can read about Jesus
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talking about the parable of the debtor and the king forgiving his debt.
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And then he goes and asks the people that owe him a little bit of money
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And you need to read that parable if you're struggling with that.
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Hebrews 12 15 tells us to not let a root of bitterness rise up in us that root will bear
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fruit what kind of fruit bad fruit bad fruit not good fruit um and then also how much does God
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think about your sin after you've been forgiven yeah or after you've repented yeah uh he doesn't
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think about it at all yeah it's as if it never happened yeah he wipes the slate clean yeah we're
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white as snow as far as the east is from the west bottom of the ocean floor these
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are the the scriptures that talk about that when someone repents that's where
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the sin and the memory of it goes yeah so if you want to be like Christ then to
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forgive means to forget it really does which is why I brought up earlier in the
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middle of an argument you do not bring up past offenses if they were worked
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through and they were repented of and asked for forgiveness and they the words
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I forgive you have been spoken then they have now been forgotten yeah and it's it's advertising
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your own unwillingness to forgive is what what that that record keeping is um yeah and this
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doesn't mean that life stays the same um there might be new boundaries because of sin if there
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you know if there was infidelity or something something like that um this is for the benefit
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of building back trust and not for the resentment of sin. Yeah. So you can, just because you've
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forgiven, you forgot about it, it's gone. It doesn't mean it doesn't change the life or the
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relationship going forward, but you're not putting up changes that are for resentment
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and for protection. You're putting them for the benefit of building trust back because there was
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something lost and it needs to be brought back. You are not having a divine relationship with
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your spouse but you are to model that divine relationship so i think that that does give some
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some clear boundaries for you there um so our last step step number four number four both of
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you get to pray with each other it's the hardest part so a fight is not over until both of you pray
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with one another yeah and um we did this a few days ago like last week and we had a conversation
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and yeah about yeah we gotta we gotta pray with one another and um are you willing to so when this
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if there's if you've been forgiven and a lot of people are really good at verbalizing oh yeah
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you're i can't forgive you but deep down it's like hurting still um the praying together is
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the authentication of that forgiveness because it really authenticates like was this real are you
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actually forgiven and so um and we both pray i'll start i'll initiate the praying i believe this is
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the husband's job and um you know outside of sex i think that praying together is probably one of
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the most intimate things you can do with your spouse um and so uh caring for one another so
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yeah and then veronica will pray with us and i mean how does that feel as a wife you know when
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that's on that journey i think it shows me um yeah you care about restoration and unity in our
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marriage um it's also hard for me um just because i am naturally more of like the heated one i need
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more time to get over it but but it forces me also to humble myself and to look at the grace
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has been extended to me that Christ has extended to me um like you mentioned earlier yeah remembering
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how much you've been forgiven it is it's one of those moments because you have an encounter with
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God when you do that um so a few additional rules that we're going to just kind of throw on top of
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this right now um is I'm going to start with this one because it goes best with point number four
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if you can um and you're married have sex and the reason is because that's the truest i think sign
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of restoration even more than prayer i mean i think you should pray for sure but if you can
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have sex it is actually a a surefire sign that you have been unified representation of restoring
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unity yeah and um and so that that is another way that you know you can be fully back into
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a unified relationship with one another. Um, a note I wrote down here is that if you can't walk
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in the spirit, then ask to walk away. So if you guys get into your anger mode and it's fight night
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at nine o'clock at your house, um, if you can't walk in the spirit, then ask to walk away. And
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we've done this before. Yeah. And I would actually say, um, if you are going to take that step to
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ask to walk away, give yourself a timeframe, 20 minutes, 15 minutes, don't walk away and not
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return or without a time yeah giving like yeah don't let the sun go down on your anger like you
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need to come together and still have that conversation give yourself 10 15 minutes to
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cool off um but make sure you come back after that yeah and that's what i tell people who call me
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if they're having a fight in their marriage because you know we're i'm a pastor at a at our
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house church and um yeah if we get a call about that kind of stuff we go we'll just take 15 20
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minutes and walk away and then come back and try again and remember these things um and so the
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other thing never fight in front of your children you can discuss in front of your children you can
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argue even gently in front of your children but so that you can show what biblical restoration
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and reconciliation looks like but don't fight in front of your kids yeah no yelling no you want to
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just throwing a tantrum yeah you want to destroy your child's heart do that you know um one of the
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quotes that i love is uh is you know your your relationship with your spouse might be the only
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marriage book that your children ever read and don't make them hate god's design for marriage
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because you walked in an immature manner um and um the last thing i'm going to say is if there's
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conflict currently in your marriage like right now if you guys aren't like totally unified
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i'm going to put the responsibility on the husbands to go and seek out it wasn't the church that
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sought out christ it was christ that sought out the church and we are to be modeling that that
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relationship so i i'm encouraging you men who are listening if you're not totally good with your
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wife right now it's your job tonight to go and start the reconciliation process and try this
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try our four steps out it works for us i believe it's biblically backed and hopefully that'll help
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um so that's that's our teaching time for today um we're going to talk about some questions we
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have two i think really good questions that we're going to answer we answer two questions at the
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end of the show and uh hopefully that'll kind of help you guys uh on your journey walking out
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biblical christianity all righty question number one how important is it really to have a marriage
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mentor I'm letting you take it oh great I don't think it's like absolutely necessary there are
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people out there that have healthy marriages and never had a marriage mentor but I will tell you
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that the day Dylan I got a marriage mentor our marriage turned around yeah in a huge way yeah
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it was so yeah we got had this two and a half to three really rough years two years were the worst
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that last third year was kind of getting better and then year four was no yeah year four year
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four to like eight yes year four was when we met our marriage mentors yep and completely turned
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around yeah it's changed our life in terms of just having a biblical perspective uh a a disinterested
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third party um now meaning that they're not like vying for one side right they're for our
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unity yes they're for both of us yeah not for just me or just you um but and so yeah i would
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just highly recommend it if you can find a biblical married couple um to mentor you do it
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i mean what's what's the harm in it yeah and and you know there's a difference i think between
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i'm just to do a vocabulary thing here is that the difference between mentor and discipler
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I think that these people are our mentors or are they discipled us they really did there's a
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difference I think mentoring is is kind of got a business sense to it where discipling is like
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they're fathering us and mothering us the way that a biblical father and a biblical mother
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is to do that and we have kind of I guess um eradicated this way of walking out of the church
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in a big way there's we're not pairing up older couples with younger couples or older believers
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with younger believers this was very commonplace in the early church there was discipleship
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happening it is part of the great commission um go therefore make disciples of all nations
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baptize in the name of the father the holy spirit teaching them to obey teaching them to obey all
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that i have taught you or that i've commanded to you so it's that's the process of the great
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commission in Matthew 28 to do that. And so, um, we, we, we really do seek it out. It's hard to
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find, sadly. Um, if you could find it, it is a game changer, in my opinion, to have someone
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discipling you towards Christ, towards the word of God, and who is more mature than you and can
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walk you, walk you through those things. So. Great. Question number two, is it a husband's
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job to teach his wife scripture or should she be zealous in her own walk and seek clarification
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and expounding from him? Yeah, both. So yeah, Veronica seeks out scripture on her own,
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but I am also her lead pastor. And if I have a question, I ask you, I don't go to Google. I don't
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go ask our mentors. I don't ask a pastoral figure. I'll ask you. Yeah. And it's not that it's sinful
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that she if she went to google the reality is that she wants to to follow what the scriptures
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say is that if you have a question about the scriptures in first corinthians chapter 14
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go ask your husband now it's talking about the church context um but the idea is that the church
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is to turn to the to the savior to christ and we are to model that relationship again
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so she seeks those things out now i have a thing to say to the men again to the husbands
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is that if there's any other man in your life who is pouring into your wife spiritually more than
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you are, you got a problem. If there's any man pouring into your children's life spiritually
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more than you are, you got a problem. So the average church sermon is, say, 45 minutes,
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60 minutes. That means that if your pastor is pouring more into your wife than you are,
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that means that you're not even doing an hour of investment per week into your wife you should be
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investing it you know at least 20 minutes a day you know just a conversation um veronica and i
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the way we look at it is i talk to veronica about the bible kind of all day um or whenever i get a
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chance or what this teaching or i'm you know this podcast well yeah we're in full-time ministry so
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your job is preparing messages for podcasts or Mary preparing messages for
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the ultimate marriage group or messages for Sunday and so you're a verbal
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processor as well and so I'm I tend to be a sounding board for you and so yeah
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it's just kind of all day but even outside of preparing like we still
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conversations it's just our way of life we just talk about it all the time we
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will the kids will do something and it sparks the thought on a scripture and
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start talking about that. We also, you know, I read to the kids in the morning. Every morning,
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I haven't been doing the last week because we're on vacation. But generally, most of the year,
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I'm reading every morning for 10, 15 minutes in the morning. And we're talking about a lesson,
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we're praying together. And I try to do just some sort of lesson with Veronica as well. I just
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talk to her about certain concepts or certain stories or what's in the news or whatever it is,
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just pouring into her spiritually. So it is the man's responsibility, the husband's, I should say,
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responsibility to pour into his wife spiritually, um, about the word of God, wash her mind with the
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water by the word is what it says in Ephesians five. Um, and, uh, yeah. And that's, that's really
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the core issue of it all. So, um, we got a memory verse for you guys this week and this is a, you
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guys should have this one memorized. This was a really good one. Um, we've, I've learned this a
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lot practical books of the bible just read philippians i love philippians um it's one of
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my favorite books of the bible um it's such an easy read very practical very applicable um all
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right philippians 2 3 and 4 do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit but in humility
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count others more significant than yourselves let each of you look not only to his own interest but
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also to the interest of others awesome memorize that guys we need to know the word of god in order
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to live out the word of god so again if you guys would be willing to leave a review they really do
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