00:07:39.180We're afraid to be bold and different and unpopular.
00:07:45.480Yeah, so this is, I would say this is a call to examine yourself after this conversation today.
00:07:51.140yeah is yeah exactly examine yourself of going are we any different to the point where
00:07:58.320people are asking us questions that first peter 3 15 verse it's saying
00:08:03.980um be ready for people to ask you questions and to give a defense for the hope that is in you
00:08:13.220are people asking you questions are people curious about your life because if they're not
00:08:19.600that's a pretty big red flag. And so we want you guys to, we want to challenge you guys in your
00:08:25.800marriage to be different and to be separate. Anything you want to add on that? No, I think
00:08:34.240that that's great. I think, you know, you came up to me the other day even and asked me after you
00:08:39.700were studying this and asked me, so do we look different? Do we look different? And I sat back
00:08:45.920and thought about that for a while. And I think, yeah, I think that we do look different in a lot
00:08:50.440of areas and there's also other areas that I'm sure that we can improve in. But for the most
00:08:54.520part, I think, yes, that, uh, our live, our lives in the way that we live them and the way that we
00:08:59.680treat each other and the way that we parent looks different in comparison to the world.
00:09:05.220Yeah. People can see us and go, that's an interesting, I want to like, tell me more.
00:09:10.800like why do you why do you do that you know um so again it's a call to holiness and if you hear a
00:09:17.540little ta ta ta ta ta ta ta in our microphones it's because there's a fly in here always that's
00:09:22.560that's part of the studio yeah okay i was like oh do we have a leak no it was like it was dripping
00:09:28.980or something yeah guys i hate i need to get like a fly zapper in this in the studio it drives me
00:09:34.040nuts um okay we are gonna those big blue glowing lights exactly yeah yeah it kills possums
00:09:40.880so we're gonna answer two questions um veronica's gonna go ahead and read them and add her input as
00:09:48.040she sees fit all righty what is your advice to a couple who are searching for a church in a new
00:09:54.800town when the wife is more spiritually mature and has a and has stronger preferences about the
00:10:00.000worship style liturgy sermon content etc but still desires to help her husband be a spiritual leader
00:10:07.520for the family in this process you want to say anything yeah the first scripture that comes to
00:10:16.720my mind would be um so yeah if you're both christians and you get to follow the instruction
00:10:25.100that is given to us in scripture yeah in ephesians 5 22 it says wives submit to your own husbands
00:10:31.360as to the lord for the husband is the head of the wife is also christ's head of the church and he is
00:10:36.780the savior of the body therefore just as the church is subject to christ so that wives be to
00:10:42.380their own husbands in everything that was ephesians 5 22 through 24 um so yeah you regardless if you're
00:10:50.820spirit more spiritual mature if you know scripture more if you're just you know more emotionally into
00:10:58.140it regardless of all of that you your husband is to be leading that out and walking that out
00:11:05.360yeah it regardless if yeah you're this a type person if you're both christians yeah exactly
00:11:10.700um and uh and yeah i mean that's that's what this question sounds like so if you're a wife
00:11:17.520Just, you know, again, I know it's difficult, but it's what it says.
00:11:20.760It says, therefore, just as Christ is subject, or just as the church is subject to Christ, so let wives be to their own husbands in everything, everything.
00:11:36.020We have to remember that Christian women, I'm actually specifically talking to you, when you lead, your husband won't.
00:11:44.560like that is just the simple fact and I see that everywhere I and again I believe the number one0.64
00:11:51.740cause of divorce right now is not sex money or um children I think it's passive men I think
00:12:01.500passive passive men is the if not it definitely isn't the church because that is just exactly
00:12:08.020what's going on is this passive men and um you know I know it's difficult to be patient in the
00:12:13.520process it is a very difficult thing to wait we have watched and walked with several couples who
00:12:20.620are the wives are more mature spiritually they are more um inclined to lead yeah well and and
00:12:31.640just speaking to the patience thing i know that it's really hard um dale and i dale's always been
00:12:37.760more spiritually mature than i have um than i've been but we walked through a season earlier on in
00:12:43.280our marriage where we weren't going anywhere we weren't going to church anywhere for two and a
00:12:47.640half three years um and yeah there were some moments for sure where i was like a little bit
00:12:54.020uneasy or wanting to get plugged in somewhere but ultimately dale walked us through that journey
00:12:59.540and i have um i'm thankful for where we are today in that journey yeah hope you know
00:13:08.020my flesh wants to say i wish that season was a little bit shorter yeah um but you know we are
00:13:15.440where we are today because of that yeah and and i didn't hear about it really at all from her like
00:13:20.860in terms of she she expressed her concern when it was appropriate but it wasn't a con it wasn't
00:13:26.620like leading from behind or anything like that yeah make maybe make a suggestion here and there
00:13:30.760but ultimately you have the final call yeah exactly and and that's how we we want to i mean
00:13:35.400Ladies, we have to just make sure that we're allowing the Holy Spirit to do his job.
00:13:39.640And Christ, I feel like just Christ doesn't want to give us, allow us to think that the change that occurred in our brothers and sisters in Christ are from us.
00:14:02.420And so just allow, I just go, man, if, if, if Christian wives spend as much time praying for their husbands as they do complaining about their husbands, we might have more radical change.0.95
00:14:14.380And so, um, you know, again, I think I mentioned this a couple of shows ago, um, the case for Christ, you just watch this wife beautifully just pray and pray and pray and then gently present, but pray all the time for her husband.0.84
00:14:29.520And so, again, I want to see that from you ladies.
00:14:31.580If you're in that situation, let the Holy Spirit, so that the credit can go to God,
00:14:35.640to God be the glory if that changes where your husband walks in those things.
00:14:39.820And there are some tactics and strategies we've talked about before
00:14:42.760on how to help your husband get in that position.
00:14:45.380The biggest thing is just get out of the way.
00:14:49.180So what I would say is, yeah, let him choose the church.
00:19:05.160um uh we know that that uh paul tells timothy to drink some wine for his stomach to heal his
00:19:14.400stomach um and the answer that's the answer to your stomach problems right there which is funny
00:19:19.800because my stomach problems are the opposite i can't drink wine because it would be bad for my
00:19:23.940stomach right now um anyway yeah the the reason i think that you know back in the day the water
00:19:28.840wasn't super clean sometimes people were getting sick and slightly fermented wine you know lower
00:19:38.440alcohol than today's alcohol was actually a safer bet for some type of liquid and sometimes would
00:19:45.120actually kill the bacteria in your stomach and so that was a common thing to drink wine then again
00:19:50.840it was probably more like eight percent instead of like 14 or 16 percent which is a wine today
00:19:55.340um now a lot of people say no but their wine didn't have alcohol in it and i go okay well
00:20:01.300you got a dilemma because the scriptures um teach a bit otherwise uh jesus turns water into wine
00:20:08.520that's kind of the the main thing and some people say no but their wine didn't have alcohol in it
00:20:13.600and i go oh okay well let's just read what it says in john chapter two it says every man at
00:20:18.240the beginning this is someone coming up to the to the groom okay jesus is at this wedding they
00:20:24.060come up to the groom after Jesus has turned the vats of water into vats of wine. And someone
00:20:31.420walks up to the groom and says, every man at the beginning sets out the good wine. And when the
00:20:36.700guests have well drunk, then they bring out the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now.
00:20:46.900Okay, I don't think they're talking about, he implies there's an impaired judgment that occurs.
00:20:52.700then you bring out the crappy one after you, you know, can't tell that you're drinking crappier
00:20:57.660wine. Um, no, it's, it's an implied that the alcohol or the, the wine is, is alcoholic here.
00:21:05.000Um, so, uh, yeah. So I wanted to bring that up. Drinking is a sin or is not a sin. Drunkenness
00:21:12.860is. And, um, like most things, it's a self-control issue. That's just the reality of it. And we've
00:21:19.640seen this close to home yeah in my uh my mother's life um uh my mom as an alcoholic uh she passed
00:21:29.800away from uh liver disease almost three years ago now dang is it really next month will be three
00:21:36.480years i think or is it two years i can't remember um it's a it's uh but it was a hard trial that we
00:21:42.200walked through and we watched the the uh the grips of that on people she had stopped drinking
00:21:47.800and became clean but the damages had already been done to her body so she ended up passing
00:21:54.620away from liver failure and i got a chance to baptize my mom which is really cool to
00:21:59.020to be a part of that process um and uh to see her come to the lord so praise god on that
00:22:05.600um and actually i'm going to say another thing i actually had a dream what was it maybe a year ago
00:22:10.440i think so i had a year ago it was and again i don't like want to put too much theology onto
00:22:15.580this, but it was just interesting that I had a dream that, that, um, middle of my dream, I was
00:22:20.000like, I was always uneasy about my mom and, you know, was she Christian? Was she not? You know,
00:22:24.160she, she struggled with these things and she, you know, did she believe, did she not? Cause it was
00:22:28.900so close to her death. And, and I remember having a dream, um, in the, in the middle of my dream,
00:22:36.300all of a sudden I just like see this vision of my mom telling me that she's safe and that she's in
00:22:41.400heaven in my dream out of nowhere. And I remember like this feeling of like utter, like, I don't
00:22:50.440know if it's peace, like that I had no need for faith anymore. Like I totally believed almost
00:22:55.460like, wow, everything I believe about God is absolutely true. Like this is, it was like one
00:23:00.560of those kind of vision dream moments. I mean, you know, the Muslims and Muslim nations right
00:23:05.160now, they're seeing lots of people come to Christ through dreams. Anyways, it was one of those kind
00:23:08.600of different than a regular dream moments and um but yeah she died from from alcoholism so i know
00:23:16.220it very well um it's a self-control issue we're we're called to not allow our bodies to be
00:23:23.580mastered by anything pornography money alcohol you know anything else um james uh 417 why don't
00:23:35.200to read that scripture um for us here james 4 17 so whoever knows the right thing to do
00:23:40.760and fails to do it for him it is sin yeah so this is a concept of of yeah it might be a sin for you
00:23:50.060to drink yeah if you struggle with it yeah and we've you know there's a variety of things that
00:23:56.100it might be a sin for you to eat dessert you know if you got an eating problem but i also want to
00:24:02.460And if I can say something really quick is say that, for example, for your mom, before she passed away, we knew that she struggled with alcoholism.
00:24:15.320It would be a sin probably for you and I to drink in front of her because we are causing our sister in Christ to stumble.
00:24:23.080And so we need to use wisdom when we're drinking.
00:24:26.020If you are having a glass of wine or a beer or whatever it is, you need to use wisdom in that and who you're drinking around, who you're with, because you can be causing somebody else putting a stumbling block in their way.
00:24:40.360Yeah, this concept that she's talking about here is 1 Corinthians chapters 8 through 10.
00:24:44.960And it's the idea that love, our love for one another in the church, will limit our liberties.
00:24:51.540And the liberty is that, yeah, you can have a glass of wine or a beer at your house.
00:24:56.020yeah if you don't struggle with it if you don't struggle with it you don't it doesn't have any
00:25:00.260power over you um you've not you can you're a lot you're able to walk in the spirit and you're not
00:25:06.080getting drunk but um but if someone comes that does struggle with it then yeah your love for
00:25:12.860that brother will limit your liberty and you're not going to drink at that time and so yeah
00:25:18.180veronica and i we are very careful about that i mean right now with my stomach i haven't
00:25:22.760had drinks for for several weeks and will probably not drink for several months and you know I'm not
00:25:30.260a big drinker um and I think that as a believer um as a Christian if you're one of these people
00:25:37.000that kind of gets off work and go man I need to I need a beer or you had a hard day I had a hard
00:25:41.600day and I yeah I need I need a drink if you say things like that watch yourself um if you're
00:25:48.660drinking pretty often, you know, a couple of drinks a day or a drink a day or two, you know,
00:25:53.920again, examine yourself, examine yourself. Do you look like the world or are you holy?
00:25:57.740Yeah, exactly. It's just that. And just being careful of things having power over you because
00:26:03.980man, it's stuff sneaky. That's a reason that there's, you know, millions of alcoholics because
00:26:10.400it's sneaky. It's sneaky stuff. Um, so yeah, on that note, we're going to end the show pretty
00:26:15.200early on that. We're going to go into our memory verse, which I want to give you guys.
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00:26:58.540But we'll close out with a memory verse that I think you guys should memorize.
00:27:02.740Yeah, memory verse this week is 1 Peter 2.9.
00:27:06.340But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,
00:27:10.340his own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of him
00:27:13.820who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
00:27:17.660Yeah, so we're called to have that perspective on our lives.
00:27:24.500If you believe wrong, you'll never live strong.
00:27:27.260And it's important that we we we believe correctly about who we are and we're not we're not of the world.