Dan Martell - January 15, 2018


How To Build The Ultimate SaaS Onboarding Experience


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In this episode, we talk about how to use the power of story to build powerful software products. How do you tell a story about your product? What are the three core areas of your product that you need to identify and move forward in order to get your product into the hands of your customer?

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00:00:00.240 There's no bombs, no bombs.
00:00:02.440 Oh, I shouldn't say bombs.
00:00:04.000 I remember my brother saying bombs at the airport
00:00:05.680 and this guy stopped him.
00:00:08.080 He's like, hey!
00:00:09.080 He's like, uh, I'm sorry.
00:00:13.680 I was like, I don't know this guy.
00:00:24.000 Using the power of story to build powerful software products.
00:00:29.040 Now this is a super fun video for me because I know a lot of
00:00:33.240 folks that get challenged sometimes of building the right
00:00:36.080 experience that's going to engage customers right off the
00:00:38.380 bat, get them motivated to sign up for their product,
00:00:41.360 become activated and end up loving, and this is key,
00:00:44.320 referring their software because a lot of them are
00:00:47.460 challenging like how do we get people to take action and I feel
00:00:51.100 like maybe the setup process is too complicated.
00:00:54.300 And for me what I've learned over the years, you know, I was
00:00:57.160 super lucky to share an office building with Twitter.
00:01:01.460 So Flowtown, when I started that company,
00:01:03.300 it was a venture-backed company, social marketing app.
00:01:06.260 We were on the first floor, Twitter was on the fourth floor
00:01:08.500 and one day my friend Laura called me up and said,
00:01:10.800 hey, I want you to meet my friend Josh.
00:01:12.800 He just came from Facebook.
00:01:13.920 He was leading growth there, I believe,
00:01:16.720 and they just hired him at Twitter
00:01:20.220 to fix their onboarding and their growth challenges.
00:01:23.320 So I was like, yes, please sign me up.
00:01:25.160 So I went upstairs, took the elevator,
00:01:26.820 all the way up, and I was talking to Josh,
00:01:29.520 and you know, I had done a lot of market research.
00:01:31.820 When I moved to San Francisco, one of my areas
00:01:35.300 of expertise was marketing and product
00:01:38.000 and trying to understand what caused software
00:01:41.440 and features to grow organically
00:01:44.080 and really get distribution, so I was talking to Josh
00:01:46.000 about some ideas I had, I was just asking like,
00:01:47.800 are you gonna add this, you gotta add that?
00:01:49.340 He goes, no, because it would actually tell
00:01:50.580 the wrong product narrative, and I was like,
00:01:52.480 what does that mean?
00:01:53.320 He's like, you know, and he started unpacking
00:01:55.780 the work he's done, and the short version is
00:01:58.140 that no matter what you do,
00:02:00.660 your product will tell a story to its customer,
00:02:02.920 and that starts with the homepage
00:02:04.920 and the language you use there,
00:02:06.400 the onboarding experience,
00:02:07.660 how you set up that experience for the customer,
00:02:09.720 and finally, what you ask them to do,
00:02:11.660 or what's the first interactions
00:02:13.560 when they first get going in the product, you know?
00:02:15.940 And he explained to me, you know, like Instagram,
00:02:18.500 he goes, a lot of people, they think that Instagram
00:02:21.400 is a social network for photos,
00:02:22.740 and the truth is, is even though that's a byproduct,
00:02:25.100 One of the core aspects of Instagram is to take a photo,
00:02:30.180 add a filter, and share it on social networks
00:02:32.140 as fast as possible.
00:02:33.580 So what I want to share with you guys is
00:02:35.440 the product story framework.
00:02:37.280 How do you think about your software as it relates
00:02:40.040 and the three core areas that you need to identify
00:02:42.860 and kind of move forward?
00:02:43.680 The first one is the homepage,
00:02:45.560 specifically these two characteristics.
00:02:47.620 One is called the hook, the other one is called the promise.
00:02:50.200 The hook is the what.
00:02:51.560 What does your software do?
00:02:52.920 If you go to the sas1000.com list or the Montclair 250
00:02:58.060 top publicly, for the most part, publicly traded
00:03:00.920 at least biggest SaaS companies, software companies
00:03:03.400 in the world, and you look at their homepage,
00:03:05.660 they follow this pattern.
00:03:07.240 It's the hook.
00:03:08.300 What do you do?
00:03:09.780 The easiest way to send invoices.
00:03:11.940 The fastest way to understand your personal finances.
00:03:14.540 Whatever it is, that's the hook that tells somebody like,
00:03:17.580 this is for me.
00:03:18.740 Now, the promise is how they do that.
00:03:21.980 and that might be mobile management of your money,
00:03:26.860 using reports, et cetera, et cetera.
00:03:28.660 Those are usually the features or benefits.
00:03:30.220 They say it in that kind of right underneath it.
00:03:33.160 Again, go look at these home pages.
00:03:34.900 Underneath that, there's usually a button with a CTA,
00:03:37.560 a call to action to sign up for free,
00:03:39.600 no credit card required, in little brackets, et cetera.
00:03:42.260 That is the most valuable area to focus on.
00:03:46.580 At the end of this video, I'm gonna share with you guys
00:03:48.240 a tip on how to really get through those iteration
00:03:52.440 and tests as fast as possible using a quantitative method
00:03:56.420 that you're not gonna wanna miss.
00:03:57.280 But that homepage experience, how you communicate what you do
00:04:01.780 and how you do it is what is going to set the positioning
00:04:06.120 and the frame of the customer in their mind.
00:04:08.300 Once they get into your product,
00:04:09.620 they're gonna be looking for evidence
00:04:11.800 of what you said on the homepage.
00:04:13.900 So if you're not deliberate, you're not thoughtful,
00:04:15.840 you're not intentional about that language,
00:04:18.340 it could really hurt you from activating
00:04:20.280 and engaging customers,
00:04:21.240 especially in that first time user experience.
00:04:23.340 Second big part of the product story framework
00:04:26.720 is to ensure that you have
00:04:28.120 an incredible onboarding experience.
00:04:29.620 The way I like to think about onboarding
00:04:31.020 is it's the setup, it's the level one of a game.
00:04:35.160 It is the three steps that you ask the user to do
00:04:38.120 that it tells a story.
00:04:39.740 It's like why are you asking me to do this
00:04:42.200 and why is this second?
00:04:43.240 So for example, with Josh at Twitter,
00:04:46.340 he said to me, I said,
00:04:47.620 are you gonna add an address book importer
00:04:49.340 to kind of like build a viral K factor?
00:04:51.880 And he said, we could do that,
00:04:52.960 but the truth is is Twitter's not a social network
00:04:55.180 and if somebody came in
00:04:56.320 and that was the first thing we asked them to do,
00:04:58.320 they would go, I already have a social network
00:04:59.860 so I don't need this new product, right?
00:05:01.900 Whereas what Twitter's really about
00:05:03.960 is consumption of media, content.
00:05:06.120 It's a content consumption platform.
00:05:08.400 So the first thing we wanna do is get them
00:05:10.060 to start following people based on their interests
00:05:13.240 and who they know and maybe celebrities
00:05:15.640 and authority figures so that if they went to their feed,
00:05:18.440 even if they never tweeted or shared anything,
00:05:21.040 their personal feed would have incredible content
00:05:23.780 that's relevant to their lives.
00:05:25.180 And if we can do that, then we can get them
00:05:27.280 to stick and stay around.
00:05:28.660 And that was really fascinating for me.
00:05:30.420 It's just the sequence of steps.
00:05:32.460 Now they still had the address book importer
00:05:34.760 so that they could create kind of some distribution
00:05:37.360 for the product, but that was like the last step, right?
00:05:40.640 Not the first thing.
00:05:41.640 And again, how you present your product,
00:05:43.980 how it unfolds will tell a story.
00:05:46.420 Now you can either be deliberate about it
00:05:48.020 or it's just a byproduct of you building your software.
00:05:51.860 I'm a big fan of being intentional.
00:05:54.060 The third big area is the core value.
00:05:56.880 What is that moment in your product
00:06:00.200 that if a customer experiences, they will retain,
00:06:04.500 they will activate?
00:06:05.500 Some people call that the must-have experience.
00:06:07.500 Some people call it the aha experience.
00:06:09.940 I just call it the core value.
00:06:11.500 At the core of an Instagram,
00:06:14.280 it is not about the photo sharing,
00:06:16.380 it's not about the social network of photos,
00:06:18.140 it was about the easiest way to take that photo,
00:06:20.800 add a filter, and share it on the social network
00:06:22.880 of their preference, and that's why they beat out in it.
00:06:25.360 And back in the day of Instagram,
00:06:26.660 there were a ton of photo sharing,
00:06:28.820 or photo taking, editing, annotating apps out there.
00:06:32.420 I mean, probably like 50 of them in the app store,
00:06:37.000 and they just cut through the noise
00:06:38.580 because they said, here's our product hook,
00:06:40.300 or here's the core value.
00:06:41.960 We're gonna just drive people in the signup process
00:06:44.340 to understand that, to get there, to do that action
00:06:47.080 in the first time they sign up and get that experience
00:06:49.900 so that they come back and they tell their friends about it.
00:06:52.840 And that's how you build a product that gets
00:06:54.980 what's called VWAM, viral word of mouth marketing.
00:06:58.320 And it's a beautiful thing that really
00:07:00.460 can expand your distribution.
00:07:01.920 Now, if you wanna learn the right way
00:07:04.400 to test your product hook and your promise,
00:07:06.220 because this is really where people get stuck,
00:07:08.200 My tip is to use AdWords.
00:07:10.040 You know, AdWords gives you a restricted amount
00:07:12.080 of details for the title and the description.
00:07:14.340 Usually the same amount that you'd want on your homepage
00:07:16.980 right above your kind of call to action button
00:07:19.260 to get people signed up in your software
00:07:20.580 or request a demo or whatever your sales funnel looks like.
00:07:23.500 But you can use AdWords to quickly iterate
00:07:26.540 and test different tests, multivariant tests,
00:07:29.100 the specific targeting to just see
00:07:31.300 what the click-through ratio is.
00:07:32.720 And just getting the CTA or the language
00:07:36.700 that gets the highest click-through
00:07:37.700 will give you some real data
00:07:39.000 because most people want to split test their homepage
00:07:41.100 but the truth is they don't get enough traffic.
00:07:43.980 And the fastest way is put that in front of an ad,
00:07:46.680 show it to your ideal customer,
00:07:48.220 see which one gets the highest click-through rate
00:07:49.840 and the most engagement, then test that on your homepage
00:07:52.580 and keep iterating from there.
00:07:54.380 So three core areas.
00:07:55.680 One, just nail your homepage's hook and promise.
00:08:00.220 Two, ensure your onboarding experience
00:08:02.460 is a clear three-step setup process
00:08:05.920 that really tells the story and the narrative
00:08:07.760 of driving them towards finally the third thing
00:08:10.200 which is the core value of your product,
00:08:12.220 that aha, that must have experience 0.74
00:08:14.300 to just make your product deliver for your customer.
00:08:17.740 That is my challenge to you is to build something
00:08:21.900 that is spectacular, leveraging the story narrative
00:08:24.900 so that, and if you're stuck, here's another tip.
00:08:27.380 Ask your customers how they explain your product
00:08:30.220 to a friend or colleague.
00:08:31.320 That question will unlock the language
00:08:34.640 and even the things you might want to front load
00:08:36.840 in your product.
00:08:37.680 Another tip, and I apologize,
00:08:38.820 I'm just really excited for you.
00:08:41.180 There's an opportunity for you to analyze
00:08:42.780 a clickstream in your software.
00:08:44.180 If you have products and users,
00:08:45.420 look at the clickstream of your top customers,
00:08:47.620 top 20 customers.
00:08:48.520 Look at the path.
00:08:49.820 Where did they come in?
00:08:50.820 What did they use?
00:08:51.660 What features did they use?
00:08:52.500 What were they exposed to?
00:08:53.400 What did they set up?
00:08:54.500 And try to figure out what's the 80-20?
00:08:56.500 What's the common path and clickstream that they use
00:08:59.700 that got them to experience that aha or gratitude
00:09:02.740 or whatever moment that will get other customers retained
00:09:06.580 so you wanna front load that in your new user
00:09:09.020 onboarding experience.
00:09:10.180 That's what I got for you today.
00:09:11.340 As per usual, I wanna challenge you to live a bigger life
00:09:13.580 and a bigger business and I'll see you next Monday.
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