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Dan Martell
- August 05, 2019
How to Lose Less Customers (Churn Reduction)
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What's up, everybody?
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Dan Martell here, a serial entrepreneur, investor,
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and creator of SaaScademy.
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In this video, I'm going to teach you
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why your churn is hurting and potentially killing
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your business, to teach you how to understand churn.
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I'm just going to pass this to Jarrett.
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How to understand churn, how to fix it,
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and really understand the true cost.
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And be sure to stay to the end.
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We're going to share with you an exclusive resource
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called the Churn Buster Cheat Sheet
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to help you stop the bleeding and also scale up your marketing.
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Let's get into it.
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So recently, I was doing a growth session
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with a potential new coaching client.
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And we were just going through kind of understanding
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their business, where they're at, where they want to go.
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And the question of churn came up.
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And they said this, oh, it's not that bad.
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It's only about 20% per month.
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my brain kind of went like, whoa, and I just asked them.
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I said, do you realize that 20% per month,
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that means that if you didn't add any new customers,
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essentially in five months, you're
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going to churn through all of your existing customers.
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And they were like, what?
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I was like, yeah, essentially 20%, five months, 100%.
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It's a big issue.
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So they didn't even understand how big of an issue,
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because it makes it really hard to scale.
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And when I explained it to them, then
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we talked about how would you measure it,
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What are the strategies to fix it?
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And that, to me, is what I want to share with you today,
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because I think that churn is a really weird thing,
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and people don't really understand it,
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how it impacts your financial reporting,
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but also why it's truly killing your SaaS business
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and how to fix it.
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So let's get into it.
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Number one, churn flatline.
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So I call this moment where your growth rate goes like this
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and slowly declines and declines to a point
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where you start going sideways.
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Usually when I get the call, so SaaS founders
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will reach out to me, usually around year three or five,
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because what's happened is their ability
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to add new customers on a monthly basis
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to overshadow the percent, the total percent,
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because it's a net number, but it's
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a percentage of customers that they're losing
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hits essentially the flat line, the threshold.
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Let's say when you're small and you've only
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got like 20 customers and you're losing a few,
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you can usually add a lot more.
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But whatever that number is, your ability
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to add how many x amount of customers per month
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and the percentage of churn, so just figure it out
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for your business, that will be your churn flatline
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if you don't figure out expansion revenue, how
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to capture more value from your customers.
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I'm going to talk to you later in this session
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on how to fix it.
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But the big thing is understanding
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that at some point, you're going to hit the churn flatline,
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which means that your ability to replace customers
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is at the same level as the amount of customers
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that you're losing from a churn problem.
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So you want to run the math for yourself
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and figure out what that is, because that's
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going to give you a clear indication of even if we spend,
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based on what we're doing today, we're
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going to hit a flatline in our growth.
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Number two, maximum viable churn.
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Now, this is a concept that I got from Thomas at Redpoint.
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If you don't read his blog, you must.
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It's an incredible.
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Just search Thomas.
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It's actually Tomas from Redpoint.
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I won't even try to butcher his last name.
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But it is all about sass and growth and stuff.
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And he talks about maximum viable churn.
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And in there, he gives an example.
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Now, I'm not going to get into the math,
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but the whole argument that he had
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is that your churn is impacting your ability to grow.
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And here's the way to think about it
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is if your sales efficiency rate,
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let's say you're a $3 million ARR business,
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and you have a 5% monthly churn, and your sales efficiency
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is about 0.8, meaning that it takes you like eight,
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out of a year, it takes you eight months of a spend.
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So whatever your CAC is, your cost
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to acquire customer and your LTV,
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let's say it's $1,250 to acquire a customer,
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to $1,500 a customer.
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If you run the numbers with a 5% churn,
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means that you're going to spend through 60% of your revenue
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for that year just to replace the lost customers,
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to acquire new customers.
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Not to grow, but just to replace them.
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And it's a really important understanding
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because in doing the math, when you look at it that way,
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if you're trying to create forecasts,
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if you're in the fundraising mode,
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if you're a venture-backed founder,
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then you need to calculate not where you need to be
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for the next level of funding based on MRR.
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But how does churn impact that?
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So a lot of people, they're like, OK, we're at this level.
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We're at a million.
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We want to get to three.
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We need to add two.
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No, you don't.
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You don't need to just add two by going to say, OK,
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well, what's our LTV per customer?
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We need to go add x amount of customers.
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You have to also then calculate over that period of time
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how is churn going to impact your revenue growth
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and make up for it.
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So when you think about the amount of money
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that you're going to need to raise based on your ability
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to acquire customers, the number could be dramatically
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different than what you think if you haven't run through this
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math and this understanding of that concept.
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So minimum viable churn is understanding
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what's your minimum churn allocation or allowability
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so that you are able to grow your top line revenue
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to hit your next round of funding.
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Because if you don't, what I've seen many times
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is unfortunately a down round.
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So understand not only your growth targets,
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but your churn and how that's going
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to impact what your needs are going
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to be from a capital point of view to hit those targets.
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Number three, moment of churn.
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So one thing I want to share with you guys
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is what does true churn mean?
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Recently, I was working with a client,
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and they found out that their customer success team
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had a very sneaky thing they were doing,
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because their definition of churn was a canceled account.
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So customer success had a metric of improving retention.
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What he found out was that their customer success team
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was convincing customers to not cancel or close their account,
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but essentially go to a no-cost monthly membership
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to a pay-per-use.
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Now, this is a very creative solution.
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It's easily fixable.
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But if you don't know, you manage what you measure,
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they measured it, and then they realized the customer success
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team was being sneaky about how they do it.
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Because essentially, the account never canceled,
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But there was no new revenue.
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So technically, it was canceled.
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But they went on as a pay-as-you-go.
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So essentially, if you ever want to do this in the future,
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you can just pay every usage.
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You don't have to pay the monthly, which is obviously
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not the way I would calculate revenue and revenue churn.
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But here's the thing.
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There's two types of churn that's
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going to occur in your business.
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There's cancellations, and there's involuntary churn.
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A lot of founders don't realize involuntary churn
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could be up to 20% to 40% of your total churn.
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And that's usually caused by payment failures, right?
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Or roles changing and somebody, the company's
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still wanting to use the product,
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but nobody updated the payment.
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So it's usually a payment issue.
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And there's a bunch of different reasons.
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I'm not going to get into the credit card decline
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situations because there's a whole lot of different scenarios.
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If you want, check out ProfitWell.
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So Patrick Campbell, the founder of ProfitWell,
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has built an incredible tool that you can use for free.
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And they get paid on a success basis
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to fix your involuntary churn.
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Also, check out FlexPay.io is their website.
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They're really about increasing the credit card side,
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not the credit card dunning challenge.
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So check out FlexPay, two incredible companies.
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And Daryl, the founder, is a good friend of mine.
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So cool products that's going to help with involuntary churn.
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But there's also the cancellation churn.
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Now, here's the thing is, if somebody's
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already paid for the end of the month
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with their monthly subscription, but they
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canceled a third through the way,
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I just want you to know that they're not technically
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churned yet.
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The churn happens when essentially their payment
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or their billing doesn't renew.
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So even if they cancel a third way through the month,
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and this is something I teach called the cancellation request
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flow, is we want to make sure that we have a process
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for capturing that cancellation and engaging with them
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to save the account.
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There's probably 30% to 40% of canceled accounts
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that happen in that scenario that
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could be saved through downgrades,
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showing your solution, talking to them about their problems.
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Sometimes there's features that you
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have that will help provide the benefit,
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your customers that canceled loss,
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because they didn't even know.
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They weren't even aware.
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So to me, it's just really understanding
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the moment of churn under those two filters, involuntary
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and cancellations, and knowing that there's actually
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things you can do to improve it.
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So make sure that you understand and define that
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with your team.
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What does churn mean?
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Because a lot of founders have not had that conversation
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with the team.
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You're going to run into issues, like I mentioned earlier,
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where your customer success team is fixing retention,
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but involuntarily masking it more than anything.
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Number four, fight the impact.
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Here's the deal.
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There's only a few ways, really five key things
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you can do to fight the impact of churn, OK?
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Now, I'm going to tell you how to get my Churn Buster Cheat
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Sheet, but these are the five things
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that you need to understand to really overcome revenue churn.
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is one, you need to be growing your new active trials
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or sign-ups or sales.
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Essentially, you need to be able to grow faster
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than your churn account just by being more efficient
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in funnels, marketing, and becoming cheaper on your CAC
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so you can grow it, find new channels, et cetera.
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So that's number one.
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Number two is raise prices.
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Now, here's what I know.
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So one question I love asking my founders,
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if somebody bought you tomorrow from your industry,
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they bought your business tomorrow,
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what is the first thing that they
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would change in your business?
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And I got that question from Andy Grove.
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He wrote a great book called High Output Management.
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And the reason I ask that is because there's things that,
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you know, as a founder, that you should change,
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that you probably haven't because of whatever reasons,
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whatever values, whatever beliefs that you've had,
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that somebody that actually is more knowledgeable
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would make that in a heartbeat.
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And raising prices is definitely on that list.
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It's typically the first thing if a private equity firm
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buys your SaaS business, it's the first thing
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they're going to change.
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So that's two.
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Three is improve your retention.
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Actually build a concerted effort
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to increase your retention.
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Number four, see four just pops up there with the pinky.
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Number four is improve your upsells
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to be able to have, so a lot of founders
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don't have a strategic product strategy, essentially
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for packaging and add-ons, et cetera,
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to create expansion revenue.
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I've got another growth stacking show session just
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on how to increase your expansion revenue,
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So search that in my name.
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And then number five is improve your downsells.
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So if you have people that are going
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to churn because they're at this level,
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figure out how you can increase.
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Instead of canceling on you, get them
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to take maybe a lower plan.
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Maybe some people talk about putting a pause plan
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or adding some value and keeping them on the plan.
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But you just got to reduce and improve the downsell as well.
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So those are the five ways to fight back on churn.
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So quick recap on how to think about churn
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and why it's killing your SaaS business.
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Number one, figure out what your flat line is today
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in regards to the ability to replace being less than your
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total number of customers that are churning every month.
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Number two, maximum viable churn.
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Figure out based on your CAC what
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you need to get from an MRR point of view
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if you're in that fundraising mode
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or you've set some aggressive growth channels
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and you've got so much capital to kind of grow into.
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Don't forget to take into consideration
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the lost customers to essentially stack on top of your new MRR
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growth.
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Number three, moment of churn, getting clear with your team
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what it means to churn and understand
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involuntary versus cancellations.
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And number four, how to fight back,
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review those lists of five and educate yourself
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on how to improve your expansion and your MRR growth.
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As I mentioned in the beginning, I
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want to share with you an exclusive resource
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called my Churn Buster Cheat Sheet.
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Essentially, it's nine different strategies
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that you can deploy into your SaaS business
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to really dial in your churn to reduce it.
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Now, you're always going to have some because of your market.
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You might be SMB, mid-market, or enterprise.
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But getting to those industry norms
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and understanding what those are,
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you can learn all about that if you click the link,
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download the Churn Buster Cheat Sheet below.
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I really break it down and give you those specific strategies.
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As per usual, I want to challenge you
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to live a bigger life and a bigger business.
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Build a bigger business.
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And I'll see you next Monday.
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Employ, deploy, deploy, impact.
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