On this episode of the Plaid Army Podcast, the boys are joined by the one and only David Icke. The guys discuss a variety of topics, including: What is it like to be Jewish in Canada? Why do we have to go back to the old days of the gay disco? What does it really mean to be a Jew in the 21st century? And what does it have to do with race and identity?
01:08:37.880I like the car driving beside the wall.
01:08:40.880They've forgotten all about what the wall would be there for and everything.
01:08:45.880I don't know. It seemed like a good concept.
01:08:51.880Often the fan concepts are actually better trailers than anything I would want to watch today.
01:08:56.880Have you ever seen the these are hilarious to me, but where they they kind of splice in like a character into a different film set and it's like a trailer style thing.
01:09:08.880But like it's like Jim Carrey in Lord of the Rings and stuff like that.
01:09:13.880Or like, yeah, sorry, Ace Ventura in Lord of the Rings or Ace Ventura and stuff like that, you know, whatever the what's the the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket.
01:13:01.880The new batch, the third generation that we're getting of this, you know, new batch.
01:13:07.880Every single one of them has no idea who we are, right?
01:13:13.880They're not familiar with like Jeremy, myself, Diagalon in most cases.
01:13:19.880They don't know the whole tale, whatever.
01:13:22.880They don't know how, you know, we got to the point where Second Sons was created.
01:13:25.880All they've seen is Second Sons stuff on social media.
01:13:30.880And the really interesting aspect of it is that most of these guys describe themselves as things like center right, libertarian, right?
01:13:40.880So I see that and I'm like, that's, that's kind of, um, not concerning, but like odd, like, why are they applying to, you know, they, they've seen the articles, they've seen what we post, like, that's weird that you would label yourself a center right or libertarian and then apply with us.
01:13:59.880And the funny thing about it is that despite the fact that they, they don't really understand the political, um, they don't understand like political, uh, uh, like mapping, they don't really get what those things are, or they consider themselves to be those things or whatever.
01:14:17.880Every single guy that I interviewed today was an ethno-nationalist, even if he didn't know how to describe it like that.
01:14:31.200Every single one of them, uh, was familiar with historical revisionism when it comes to World War II.
01:14:38.280Every single one, they, they, they fucking get it, even though they can't necessarily articulate it.
01:14:43.660And they were all, you know, radicalized and figured this out in the past year.
01:14:49.120Now, the really interesting aspect of it is that the reason that they're joining us is because there's this new batch of people that are actually looking for solutions.
01:15:02.200And so these guys have been looking around trying to figure like, they're not, they're not interested in political parties.
01:15:07.280They're not interested in, you know, lobby groups or petitions or any of that shit.
01:15:12.220And then they came across our stuff on social media and they were like this.
01:15:17.920And so I mentioned this to some of the other, you know, guys who do the interviews and they are experiencing the same thing.
01:15:25.660The same basic, you know, story with the new recruits, which is they a hundred percent get it.
01:15:32.220They aren't completely like developed in terms of, you know, ideology and rhetoric and being able to articulate what, you know, what it is that they see and why, you know, they want to join us, but they are there.
01:15:46.240Something is, something is fucking happening.
01:15:48.420And it's like, you know, I feel like the, the office meme.
01:15:58.380I've had this feeling for a while as well.
01:16:02.280I think it may just be prominent because of the context in which you're speaking of it.
01:16:07.520But the more people I talk, cause I don't talk to a lot of people, my social circles are not big, but when I do talk to them, I kind of tend to remember what they're talking about.
01:16:16.760And it's always about these topics, you know, and my daughter's known, like she's been asking me a lot of questions right down a lot further than what I ever could have imagined.
01:16:50.420So it's not that they are not all from what I could gather.
01:16:57.880Like, obviously the interviews aren't, you know, they don't last three hours and you don't get into every single little detail with, with each one.
01:17:06.200But from what I could gather, these guys have always been right leaning, right?
01:17:12.040And then what's been happening over the past two years, the combination of the insane leftism with the pushback of the, the, the opening of Pandora's box of JQ, historical revisionism.
01:17:28.000Uh, you know, basically the, the onslaught of, you know, racist memes and, you know, infographics and all that stuff has had this compounding effect where a lot of these normie conservatives or ex-normie conservatives or something that was more moderate have gone completely over the edge.
01:17:47.380And so the reason I'm talking about this is because you guys are fucked.
01:17:54.120Like they're the, the people that are detractors watching this, like you guys are in so much fucking trouble.
01:18:02.540No, there's been, this is a, been a bubbling.
01:18:05.040This isn't our, these aren't our guys, you know, finally applying, you know, a year and a half after we opened recruiting.
01:18:11.120These are guys that applied within the last three months because they've seen what we're doing and they agree with it because they were radicalized six months ago or something.
01:20:17.840We, obviously this is a good thing and obviously it's helping, you know, with things go in the right direction.
01:20:23.240But the problem is these guys, you know, most of these guys sounded like they had absolutely no outlet or even a hope for an outlet or a solution until they saw us.
01:20:38.020And so the problem with just focusing on awareness and not translating it into something productive is, yeah, tons of people know, what are they supposed to do?
01:20:48.720Who's going to provide them somewhere that they can go to start working, you know, productively in a different direction?
01:20:55.480It was the same attitude with the PPC.
01:20:57.520A lot of people were there out of the gate because we knew we had no other option.
01:21:02.560Every single one of them, you know, sometimes I ask them when we were talking about, you know, political, um, you know, perspectives or worldview.
01:21:10.780I always try to bring up like, so do you support like any party?
01:21:31.500That's what I'm saying is, is they may, maybe they're not able to articulate every aspect of it.
01:21:36.220Maybe they don't have like a complete knowledge, but they understand the core principles of what's going on here and that something needs to change like soon.
01:21:46.300So like, we're in a, we're going in a good direction here and 2026 is going to be a big year for us because again, that's not just, I, I asked the other, some of the other interviewers because I'm like, are you guys seeing similar things?
01:22:00.100And everyone was like, yes, exactly that.
01:23:15.740The politicians, like there is serious momentum of thousands of people.
01:23:20.580Like the irony is that if Albertans had worked like this in order to get influence in Canada and assert themselves within the country, they wouldn't have to do this.
01:23:49.860If you just, if you go to separatist Twitter, basically there's thousands of people attending events all over the province.
01:23:57.500And I don't know what kind of numbers in terms of like, you know, total percentage they're looking at in terms of support, but it's got to be a lot.
01:24:06.020It's got to be past 30%, which is not insignificant.
01:24:11.320I'm not an Albertan and I'm not out there.
01:24:13.080So I'm just saying this is a, this isn't just a problem in the sense that like, I'm not saying Alberta separatism is going to succeed.
01:24:20.180I'm saying this is the creation of a, it's the creation of a new identity in the Canadian, you know, you know, mosaic that is not going to go away.
01:24:38.160Like there are, there are always going to be Alberta separatists now, and there's always going to be some, you know, relevant, like there's going to be something about relevant for a long time now in the same way that Quebec separatism does.
01:24:52.460Well, I, I've said this for a long time.
01:24:54.480I'd like to see them form the block redneck qua and like that, that should have been done a long time ago.
01:25:01.840If Quebec was ever a thing, these guys should have been a thing too, but you really pulled it into perspective.
01:25:08.160When you said, it's not that they work harder than anybody either.
01:25:10.820It's just, that's where the jobs were, where people go.
01:25:13.160And the majority of their profits are from what's in the ground.
01:25:22.360So the problem with this in one aspect of it is completely delusional.
01:25:28.620And the other aspect of it is hitting at something that's kind of, you know, the closer to the truth.
01:25:33.900The reason that Albertans have that perspective is because they're not entirely wrong because unlike say Ontario or Quebec or British Columbia, Alberta's economy is, is greatly skewed towards blue collar jobs.
01:25:51.580Whereas Ontario is greatly skewed towards white collar jobs, administrative work, bureaucracy, you know, management, finance, all that stuff.
01:26:01.860And so I can see, I can see how people look at like that.
01:26:04.440Cause when I go out there, I feel more comfortable in Alberta.
01:26:13.020Brampton used to be like the blue collar town.
01:26:15.280I'm not saying it's I'm saying generally Alberta is more blue collar than Ontario is.
01:26:22.240And the reason that that matters is because when they say they're, they're, you know, they're working hard and like they're, they're busting their balls relative to Ontario.
01:26:33.260And I don't mean that to denigrate Ontarians because of course on people in Ontario work hard too.
01:26:38.080But what I'm saying is, you know, you know how we all talk, we, we talk about this all the time about how, you know, there's a problem with the administrative class and the bureaucracy and these, you know, basically corporate Jewish daycares.
01:27:05.640We know that it's true that there's, there's this really soft element to, to white collar work now that basically is not even work.
01:27:14.380And it, especially in government work and especially in some of the, the bigger unions, I'm telling you now you can walk into a government department office in Ottawa and nobody's doing fucking anything.
01:27:26.440I would definitely say it's expanded though, but I mean, that's where the primarily where the population is in Canada is in Ontario.
01:27:33.020So it's a lot easier to have things like unemployment numbers and more, you know, cause people, there's so many jobs because of the oil sector out there that people were going there to fill the job.
01:27:43.440So it's hard to have an unemployment rate at all in your, in your province when that's, I understand, like, I'm not, I'm not making excuses for this bullshit attitude of like, we're the hardest workers.
01:27:54.180And you guys are just leeching off us or this kind of nonsense.
01:27:57.240I totally get the perception from where they're standing.
01:28:01.160They're seeing, they're seeing, they are doing actual productive work that results in actual goods that have legitimate value.
01:28:08.400Like manufacturing, like manufacturing, the oil industry, housing, you know, forestry, like those are legitimate.
01:28:25.760It's actual blue, like they're, they're doing actual work, right?
01:28:29.400Whereas white collar, like we all know this is true.
01:28:33.280A lot of white collar jobs are not fucking work.
01:28:35.780And if, if they go gasey, it's a woozy, it's a wazzy, it's a whatever.
01:28:40.460And so the perception that they're working harder, like, you know, is kind of true in a way they're doing actual work and they are working hard.
01:28:50.480Whereas a lot of these professional class, you know, people in Toronto and Ottawa, the snakes and sharks, basically at adult daycare.
01:29:00.380Yeah, I get, I get what they're saying.
01:29:02.340And the perception that's where Ottawa is.
01:29:04.260So they just get this, but it sucks that they're like, you'll be sitting here facing the same people, yelling at them.
01:29:10.300And then you hear from back behind you, fucking Easterner.
01:29:15.840So both people's, both sides' attitudes in this situation are not helping anything.
01:29:23.620Alberta is, you know, acting like, this is a generalization, obviously, but you know, just go with me for a second.
01:29:31.500Alberta is acting like a petulant child to a certain extent.
01:29:36.760And then the Easterners are acting like absolute fucking douchebags in return and calling them, you know, all like hillbillies and dumb fucking rednecks.
01:29:49.860And they're just denigrating them and acting like, so there's this, it's going both ways and it's antagonizing both sides.
01:30:21.620Yeah, like, a lot of people will admit it, but like, I'll admit, I can, I will.
01:30:27.820Dude, we've all had jobs where we're not sure what we're actually doing there.
01:30:30.920Well, the reason I know is because I've worked, when I was in architecture, engineering, you know, interior design, I went into a lot of particularly government buildings and nothing is happening.
01:32:10.460And this is during, I remember it was during Rob Ford days.
01:32:14.600Fucking guys were sitting, they would come in, sit there and read the paper, complain about how much they're getting paid, complain about the bullshit government, complain about this, get up, go for the break.
01:32:27.240You just sat there doing nothing, watching us fucking clean this entire boiler, rebuild it from scratch, and you're complaining while doing nothing.
01:33:52.180It's being given to them by a DEI hire black lady who basically explains to them how, you know, even though they're women, they don't know how hard it is for her compared to, you know, like, they have no idea what it's like to be at, okay?
01:34:08.840That's two nights in hotels for hundreds of people, whatever the speaker costs, all of the money for the food, the train tickets, whatever is going into it.
01:34:20.740And then, like, I want you to consider that and then understand that that is multiplied hundreds of times across this country.
01:34:27.600It's happening not just in Toronto, not just in Ontario, all over the place.
01:34:32.860And that's just one instance of something like that.
01:34:35.640Those things are occurring all the time.
01:34:37.420The amount of money and resources that's being wasted on fucking complete nonsense is endless and infinite.
01:34:45.140Like, like, it really puts in perspective how fucked we are when you understand that that shit is going on on a daily basis a thousand times over across this country and you're paying for it.
01:35:01.060You want to know what else I found out?
01:35:03.100The same government contracts when I was working for, right?
01:35:06.620I was making, with benefits and all everything, about 43 bucks an hour at the time, right?
01:35:14.800And to get the contract, they came in at a bid.
01:39:49.060The liberal faggots that live in Calgary are no different than the liberal faggots who live in Toronto.
01:39:55.780And the hardworking rural people who live in whatever, Stavely and Nanton and like any small Grand Prairie or wherever you go in Alberta where you find good, hardworking, blue-collar people, they're not working any harder than the people who live in fucking Renfrew, Ontario.
01:44:01.240It comes from part of this attitude is based in the differences between the French position that, like, very early on in, you know, Canadian history or North American history and the English perspective early on in Canadian history.
01:44:17.820The French were not interested in, like, they considered, like, mercantilism and this pursuit of, like, endless capital being vulgar and kind of just gaudy.
01:44:29.520They didn't think that that was a noble pursuit.
01:44:32.940Dude, that sentiment was right up into the FLQ.
01:44:37.780It was a very ethno-nationalist movement that they were having then, and they were against British colonialism in there and the corporatists coming in, like, GE and...
01:46:20.180And to be fair, the stereotypes about BC are kind of right.
01:46:23.320Like, Dr. Genstein is talking about Cam and CRJ took off doing drugs tonight and clubbing.
01:46:28.160But then CRJ is over on Rumble saying, Alberta only consists of two crumbling brownoid cities and 62,000 RV storage yards for escaping Alberta during time off.
01:47:53.360But, again, even that whole thing, the funniest thing about that exchange with her is that it all started with me admitting that, like, Albertans are kind of on to something when they say that they are working harder.
01:48:08.060Because, like, they kind of are, in a way, because of the blue-collar element.
01:48:11.660Like, they're doing real, actual work that produces real, tangible goods and value, whereas a lot of what's going on in the administrative class of Ontario is just nothing.
01:48:29.060Well, a lot of the blue-collar jobs have been gutted from Ontario as well when they started ripping away different car plants and shit as well.
01:49:07.920But, like, this is the kind of delusional shit that just makes you look ridiculous if you're serious about it as an Alberta separatist.
01:49:15.360Not worried about the migrant situation in the West.
01:49:17.720They will be exiled and likely head east to remain on the tit of Ottawa.
01:49:21.840Bro, name one person who is considered to be a leader or prominent figure within the Alberta separatist movement who is actively talking about deporting immigrants.
01:49:33.240Do you know what would happen as soon as you guys separated or made any kind of movement towards that?
01:50:18.880If you go, I could look it up right now.
01:50:21.280If you just search, you know, Ontario, you know, key industries, it's finance, it's like tech services, it's retail.
01:50:30.220Yeah, I did this search where we talked before and it still says that Ontario is the manufacturing hub of Canada.
01:50:36.800Well, it might be, you know, in total, but per capita, it might not be because manufacturing is like Alberta's third or fourth top industry.
01:50:46.380Whereas I don't think that's correct for Ontario, but I could pull it up right now.
01:50:55.720And whatever new jobs are coming up, there's hordes of brown people that are going to be incentivized to work at these places and to be hired at these places.
01:51:21.200Can you imagine I was in a coma from when I first got to know Canada, the first time going across Canada, seeing how white it is and not knowing what Indians are back then?
01:51:35.540Because I didn't, I thought Indians were the guys with feathers in their hats.
01:51:38.640I got into a coma and I just woke up and you start walking around like, why are these people sick?
01:52:27.700So he walks over with his phone and orders the pizza.
01:52:31.880Oh, dude, it's just, we could have done this the easy way, you fucking idiot.
01:52:40.860Sorry, like, I know this is why I tried to avoid the topic, but it's going to keep happening with Alberta separatism, unfortunately, for probably two years or at least.
01:52:51.680But still don't have a monkey god out west yet, just saying, no, you have northeast Calgary and southeast Edmonton.
01:53:14.380Remember when Danielle Smith paid how many, you know, was it a couple million dollars so that the Sikhs could build a Sikh cultural center, community center?
02:05:25.900Your reaction to what's going on is based in demoralization and being, the sense of hopelessness.
02:05:33.420That's why you're like this towards us.
02:05:35.100That's why you're still listening to us.
02:05:36.840If you were truly all about Alberta separatism and that's the way and you're confident about it and you're ready to fight for it, then go fucking fight for it.
02:05:55.800I'm sick of these fucking, like, he's not, I'm telling you right, he's not going to do fucking anything.
02:06:05.360He's not going to help the independence process.
02:06:07.920He's not going to help actually make separation a reality other than he's going to sign the sheet and he's going to click the button to vote.
02:06:14.300He wants somebody else to provide the solution for him.
02:06:17.180And that's why he feels like a hopeless piece of shit.
02:06:19.680I tried to express the sentiment, like, I get how you're feeling and it's easy to categorize everybody into their own little victim groups.
02:06:31.680They've done it to everybody else and that's the Albertan identity is, and don't get me wrong, you have more of an identity to stand behind than an Ontarian.
02:06:43.540Nobody thinks, hey, I'm Ontarian, you know, or I'm a proud Manitoulin or whatever the fuck they call themselves.
02:06:51.200You want the, you guys want the truth about the state of Alberta separatism?
02:06:55.880You don't have a strong man or charismatic figure at the center of the movement.
02:07:45.620It gives you temporary relief or temporary denialism where you get to go around and have a common enemy with your average Albertan around you.
02:07:53.300You get pulled over by a cop and say, oh, those, fuck those guys down there.
02:10:06.300Um, but I was around when it happened.
02:10:08.720The lady was just keeping some ballots and keeping them under the thing and then looking at them and changing them.
02:10:15.260You don't think that can't happen on a mass scale in Canada?
02:10:18.400We're still using paper ballots in 2026.
02:10:21.960It doesn't matter any, even in a hypothetical situation where Albertans do achieve independence.
02:10:28.700Like the, specifically the craziest thing about this is the people in here being on board with it.
02:10:36.080Like you guys know, you guys know that the people in charge of this shit are corrupt and that they're not interested in actually deporting the foreigners and that they're not actually interested in going after the insanity with the, um, the degeneracy and the homophobe, the homosexuality and the transsexuality.
02:10:55.400They're not interested in going after that.
02:10:56.760They're not going to push back on the, you know, suck native dick forever because your ancestors were, they're not going to do any of that.
02:11:03.740All the people involved bend the fucking knee to these things.
02:11:08.640And if, if they succeed, they will too.
02:11:11.660You're going to have an independent, maybe you'll, this is it.
02:11:16.240Maybe you'll have a better economic situation.
02:11:18.240And all of the things aside from that will be the same because you haven't actually fixed the core problem, which is cultural.
02:11:25.680You have to build a cultural movement.
02:11:29.600And this is what you, what Albertans are after is economic nationalism.
02:11:34.020That's the primary motivating factor behind it.
02:11:36.500And that doesn't make a nation that makes an economic zone, a different economic zone than the one that you're already in.
02:11:42.900So if that's what you want, you want to be, you know, not the Canadian economic zone.
02:11:47.160You want to be the Alberta economics, let me go for it, but you're not going to be a nation and you're not going to get the things that you actually want out of it.
02:11:56.540And if you do want to get those things, you guys basically need to do what we're doing for Alberta itself.
02:12:05.040You need some kind of nationalist movement that is expressing explicitly what an Albertan is, what that identity means, who is Albertan, who is not Albertan.
02:12:18.100Like you have to be able to clarify these things and that's going to be an even more difficult thing for you to do than with Canadian.
02:12:24.300So I don't see how you have a genuine nationalist movement in Alberta that isn't completely.
02:12:32.160Well, if you do have one, it's most likely going to be completely astroturfed by some egomaniacs, parasites and yeah, it'll be a brown guy.
02:12:46.440You'll end up having a brown guy saying Alberta separatism and you'll vote for him just because it says Alberta separatism on the package.
02:12:54.300You'll have to double that population if you want to be able to keep up with the rest of Canada.
02:13:09.600So I try to avoid this topic and we're not going to be able to.
02:13:19.680Sean was sending me an article there, but it's all in French, so I had to get him to fucking change it.
02:13:28.800The president of the association representing tow truck drivers in Quebec spent this week at the public commission on the transportation issues,
02:13:36.800along with his drivers, according to their figures, 78% of heavy truck accidents involved Indian companies or Driver Inc.
02:13:45.880Second Sons Canada demonstrated to denounce this unacceptable situation.
02:15:50.020And instead of being in the situation where I am now, where I started talking about stuff publicly and when I prided myself on telling the truth, well, then you just have to tell the truth about what's going on in the world.
02:16:02.200That's not what the world wants to hear.
02:16:03.820That's not what the world wants to hear.
02:16:07.520That's actually another element to a lot of what's going on, too.
02:16:14.240Guys, the way the masses perceive the truth is often more important than what the actual truth is.
02:16:22.000It's something everybody has to consider.
02:16:24.240So, Uncle said that the masses are like a woman that must be wooed, right?
02:16:58.020That's exactly what they did with the big portion of the population with Q.
02:17:02.320They were so enthralled with being detectives and figuring out the information first and all the stuff that you just completely ignored reality of what was going on.
02:20:49.440I saw more about saying it should be East Indians.
02:20:52.660There was some people, you know, doing like, you know, calling us Christian nationalists because of that.
02:20:59.280Other people complained that we were co-opting Christian messaging to, you know, advance our racism and things like that, which we weren't doing.
02:25:08.340Sparring with your friends and you fight with your enemies.
02:25:10.340Good example of that is, like, okay, so when Transplendor and I had a debate, it was civil and it was productive because we're not trying to, like, we're not trying to destroy each other.
02:25:21.820We're trying to, you know, outmaneuver one another and come to who's closer to, you know, the correct, you know, way of thinking about, you know, where we both want to go.
02:25:31.900When you're debating somebody who's your complete enemy, it just entrenches both sides in the position that they were already in.
02:25:41.580And it's basically just a cheerleading exercise for people to watch and cheer on their own side.
02:25:46.720So very, very few people, like, if they watch those things, they're going to have their mind made up one way or another by, you know, what is debated and who comes out on top.
02:25:56.000Well, it's like watching those old videos.
02:25:57.960It's like, and you know what, it's why he became famous is like Jordan Peterson had these clips talking to unhinged leftists where he could logically take them apart instead of coming off like a bumbling fool.
02:26:08.160And people enjoyed that because he could articulate the position properly.
02:26:12.680That's why they like Ben Shapiro, too, because he has a high verbal IQ and he could just talk so fast and confidently without saying like, um, or ah, you think he knows exactly what he's talking about.
02:27:29.840I'll, I don't want to take any credit for that because there's actually good leadership out there that deserves all the credit for being able to do that.
02:27:37.200Cause I know how stressful that is when you're also taking care of the camera, the guys, the, whatever else, what, what, you know, whatever it is that we have to take care of.
02:27:48.840people underestimate the logistics that goes into planning.
02:27:52.880One of these things to do it the way we do it.
02:27:56.240Of course, if you, Hey, we're, we're all going to show up at this overpass today.
02:28:01.320Do you want to, you know, hold signs and we'll wave, like you'll wave a Canadian flag and I'll wave.
02:28:06.120If anybody and everybody can come for hot dogs and brunch and we'll have parties and bring streamers.
02:28:12.680And yeah, you know, that's actually a really good way of putting it because, you know, the freedom crowd does do stuff like that all the time.
02:28:23.520And it usually consists of like five people and there's no coherency to it at all.
02:28:28.600It's like, like the fact that you can do that with 30 guys across or 15 guys, 20 guys in different regions across the country, isn't nothing.
02:30:06.240And, you know, it's happening across the country now.
02:30:08.440And even New Brunswick guys were out this weekend.
02:30:11.100Northern BC guys were out this weekend.
02:30:13.340It was the Hamilton guys were out there.
02:30:15.040And other guys were too, but they just, you know, they didn't take photos or they weren't in a situation where it made sense to whatever it was.
02:30:22.540Like, there's these little groups all over the country that are building slowly.
02:30:27.040And they make, they mock it and they're like 12 guys and then 20 guys.
02:30:32.880And then, you know, all of a sudden it's 400 guys marching down the street and they're going to shit their fucking pants.
02:30:38.940So, I don't know, keep on, yeah, by all means, keep underestimating us.
02:30:44.480You know, it doesn't change what we're going to do.
02:32:01.720They, uh, I think we underestimate Facebook because the amount of people that have families and normal lives using marketplace and things for like you staying in contact with families and stuff like that.
02:33:55.160That's like, I was saying actually to the guys today, like the, uh, you know, the, the div lead and one of the other guys from Eastern Ontario.
02:34:03.820I can't believe that the Niagara Christmas, you know, banner drop and March that we did, did not get picked up.
02:34:12.420Anyway, we were filmed by, it had to be over 200 people filmed us either walking or putting the banner.
02:34:18.360Like, you know, at some point and not a single candid version of video went out.
02:34:29.200So in a few places, we just can't idea that it's almost like, to me, it's almost like we got fucking so unlucky with that one that it didn't get picked up and go viral somewhere.
02:34:42.340It did really well still, but I think it's just like, so this was so many people very aggressively, you know, filmed by everyone goes nowhere.
02:34:52.320You take 30 guys to a random London overpass, it blows up everywhere.
02:34:57.300Like, yeah, it was actually, it was like our Christmas party.
02:36:16.360So the first thing is trying to understand the ultimate objective of SSC.
02:36:20.900Everybody wants that they want a goddamn 10 point plan laid out on how we go from completely fucked to total victory.
02:36:30.520And they want a perfect description of every step of the way.
02:36:34.360And they basically, they want the solution delivered them to, uh, to them the way Google maps delivers them direction to their destination.
02:36:42.260They want a little Siri voice telling them, do this, do that.
02:36:51.420Just say no, because we have no power to fucking change the existing systems or anything to do it.
02:36:56.900I think the, the answer to this is that obviously the things that guide us day to day and the reason we're doing what we're doing is because we do want to reclaim our sovereignty in this country.
02:37:11.340We do want to expel the foreign invader.
02:37:13.400We do want to, um, you know, seize power and bring about a better system for our, you know, the Canadian people.
02:37:20.880Um, but latching onto those things at this stage is foolish and not productive because that's, it's too far away.
02:37:31.080Like you can't visualize how you get there at that point.
02:37:51.820No, I think the, the best way of summarizing, you know, what we are trying to achieve in terms of like a system is we need a new confederation.
02:38:04.340We need a, we need to renegotiate the terms of confederation with all of the provinces that, that takes into account the fact that this, this goes off on a little bit of a tangent, but it's important.
02:38:16.600When John a McDonald, what, you know, was doing his architecture of the Canadian state, one of the most important things that he was considering was that the decentralized system of the federal states of America.
02:38:31.760resulted in the bloodiest war in that country's history.
02:38:37.220And so this happened right before confederation.
02:38:40.220And so John a McDonald was dealing with a situation where he was trying to unite a bunch of colonies that had former British colonies that had slightly distinct cultures and identities, right.
02:38:53.360Into a system where they would feel that their, you know, unique culture is preserved, but strong enough so that it wouldn't result in some kind of situation like the United States where the country falls apart and ends up, you know, destroying itself because of, you know, the power of individual colonies.
02:39:10.800And so the blend that John a McDonald used was a confederation of provinces or, you know, states, right.
02:39:19.600So similar to the American system where the individual colonies that became provinces would have power, you know, to govern themselves to a certain extent.
02:39:27.860And it would have the centralized authority of a constitutional monarchy that would allow for a strong central government capable of keeping the colonies united and doing what needs to be done to build the country because it needed to be united.
02:39:45.320The difference between our system and the American system is that the American system guarantees undefined rights and jurisdictions to the states where and not the federal government, whereas in Canada, undefined or undetermined rights and jurisdictions are given to the federal government.
02:40:05.960So when something comes up and it's not defined through the Constitution, right, the default is it goes to the federal government.
02:40:12.700The reason that was like that is because over time, those rights and privileges in the states kept going to the states and they became more powerful than the federal government itself.
02:40:24.840And that's what led to a situation where you had this secessionist movement and that conflict.
02:40:29.760So that's what he was trying to avoid.
02:40:31.800That was absolutely the correct approach to take in 1867.
02:40:36.020But it doesn't work anymore because the provinces are no longer small, like small population, you know, rural, unindustrialized, you know, agricultural.
02:40:48.380Like, that's not what we have anymore.
02:40:50.240We have urbanized, capable provinces that are able to govern themselves.
02:40:55.260And so we need to readdress the balance of powers between the federal government and the provinces, right?
02:41:03.720The only way we can do this is by having some kind of reconfederation because the federal government is never going to do this and they're never going to instigate it.
02:41:11.480So you need to unite the provinces, the people of the provinces to agree that we want a new, you know, deal.
02:41:19.140Basically, we want to come to the table and come to new terms on how confederation is going to run.
02:41:27.700OK, so this is all to say, do I want to preserve the Canadian system?
02:41:31.120No, I don't want to preserve the Canadian system as it stands.
02:41:33.740I want to redress it and modernize it for the state of Canada as it is now with an understanding that, you know, systems aren't, you know, indestructible.
02:42:16.980OK, in order to do that, you have to slowly build up and build a more sophisticated organization.
02:42:22.520So right now we have like a propaganda department, right?
02:42:25.200There's a chief propaganda officer and there's people that work under him.
02:42:28.300And the more sophisticated the club gets, the bigger that department gets and so on and so forth.
02:42:34.060And the reasoning behind that is that even if you you have enough people behind you, if you don't have the structure in the organization to replace the systems that exist within the government, you're never going to be able to succeed.
02:42:45.520The PPC could win an election and they won't be able to do anything because they don't have that built in infrastructure to replace the one that exists in the government now.
02:42:53.900So they're just going to get blocked at every turn by the by the bureaucrats and the activists that exist in the ministries.
02:54:17.680Canada doesn't happen without Johnny MacDonald.
02:54:19.600It certainly doesn't survive much longer without Johnny MacDonald and how he went about, you know, conducting the architecture of the country.
02:54:27.400And his vision guided it and kept it, you know, intact for, I don't know, at least until the post-war era.
02:54:34.500And that's whenever it started to come undone.
02:54:36.360So, like, you don't even have a, who is your Johnny MacDonald in this situation that's going to go through the legal process and, you know, just have this tenacious, aggressive, you know, iron will about, I will do this, you know, through the stroke of a pen.
02:54:57.480Might be a little off topic, but I remember going through this, learning about the RCMP and the coordinated campaign to make them look good and have this red coat Mountie that was just the trustworthy, whatever.
02:55:15.420And before the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, it was the Northwest.
02:56:40.800And a happy new presence in the 2000s.
02:56:43.820The difference is that the prairies had a larger proportion of the post-war era immigration than the eastern provinces did because there was more space and, you know, opportunities and stuff like that to build it.
02:57:01.160So, they have, like, you know, more Ukrainians, Poles, like, stuff like that.
02:57:06.900The interesting aspect of that is there's potentially an argument to be made that the reason this kind of distance, like this, what would you call it?
02:57:22.880Like, this kind of repression of their British, you know, history, their, you know, their Canadian links is due to that pool of immigration that came in the 50s and 60s and 70s and stuff like that.
02:57:41.260Yeah, there's very much fuck the crown sentiment out there.
02:57:56.480They were Eastern Europeans and they were Meds.
02:58:00.440Predominantly more Eastern European than Med.
02:58:02.420And so, the reasoning behind this is that that's whenever you first started getting in the 60s and then definitely in the 70s, you got this concept of pluralism beyond French and English.
02:58:13.900And so, this idea that, like, everybody is Canadian and what that did is, like, basically the introduction of multiculturalism, what that did is, unlike the previous, you know, generations of Europeans that came in and assimilated into it, they were basically able to hold on to their ethnic origins much easier than, you know, they could in the past.
02:58:37.080And so, this is where you start to get this idea of, like, well, no, I'm not Canadian, I'm Ukrainian.
02:58:42.900And so, this attitude, though, is when people, those people, the people who came in the post-war immigration era, so, like, even that can include my family, right, from the Netherlands, they are much more susceptible from what I've seen to the argument of, well, we're all just immigrants here.
02:59:00.460Because the truth is that their grandparents were literally immigrants.
02:59:04.160They weren't settlers, they were immigrants.
02:59:06.980And so, they're not wrong in that sense.
02:59:09.260Like, they are, you know, the descendant of an immigrant, not, like, a pioneer or settler.
02:59:13.140So, there's a difference there, and this is what makes them susceptible, and this is what makes them hostile to the, you know, assertion of, you know, the old stock identity, and there's this resistance to it.
02:59:23.560So, that, I think, actually does play a role in the attitudes of Albertans, but, you know, the prairies in general.
02:59:31.620BC is a little different because it was a British colony, and that's what its ethnogenesis still is.
03:00:38.240And so, they don't have that link to, you know, Alberta, the British territory or, you know, the colony or, you know, territory of Canada that became a province.
03:00:51.380It was somewhere they migrated to and then, you know, they were there.
03:00:56.160Like, they didn't have a connection to that history.
03:00:58.080So, there's probably a little bit of that.
03:02:58.440The founders, the fathers of Confederation understood this, which is why when you look at what they wrote around this time period, it's very obvious that they were making accommodations and basically allowing for the, you know, the notion that other Europeans could integrate and assimilate into, you know, the Canadian identity.
03:03:18.700But they were very assertive about it being English and French.
03:03:26.960They were very aggressive about that until the 1960s and 70s.
03:03:31.680And that's whenever you get the multicultural pluralism that turned into multiracialism.
03:03:36.760So, until after the Second World War, they were much more aggressive about asserting, you know, the Canadian identity on any Europeans that came here.
03:03:50.420Europeans can mix in, but they have to culturally adapt, linguistically adapt.
03:03:56.280And if they don't, then that was an issue.
03:04:01.240Our system was ripe to be fucked over.
03:04:06.760Like, we did have a lot of high-trust stuff, and still to this day, we let low-trust people into high-trust positions, and it's just going exactly how you think it would.
03:04:19.600We're just funneling government contracts.
03:04:21.740And once the Indians figure it out, you get government contracts, it's over.
03:08:33.260Like, take that phrase, make sure it's on your overlays so every time it comes up, you can just, there you go, take a snapshot of that, read it, come back, and then we'll address your question again.
03:08:44.200Basically, what does our organization do?