Firebrand - Matt Gaetz - April 28, 2022


EP. 39 LIVE: Biden’s Military Purge (feat. Active Duty Service Members) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

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Jordan Carr Sergeant Nick Cupper Austin Joe Biden Lee Valit Terry Adoram Mike Rogers Walgreens Gilbert Cisneros Hannah McDonald Nakayla Sampson Freedom Keepers Ali Mayorkas Sam Sigiloff Comirnaty Herlbert Superman Sigaloff Sigilov Sigloff and 4 more
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In this episode, we interview three active duty service members of the U.S. armed forces. They talk about their experiences with the Biden administration and how they have been impacted by it. Also, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas testifies before the House Judiciary Committee about the immigration crisis and the need to remove 1.2 million illegal immigrants from the United States. Firebrand Live is a production of the Firebrand Media Podcast. If you like what you hear here, please HIT SUBSCRIBE so you can receive notifications when new episodes are available. Subscribe, Like, and Share to stay up to date with the latest Firebrand News and discuss all things going on in the community. Thank you so much for being a part of this movement and supporting the movement! It means the world to me and my fellow patriots everywhere. - Your support is so appreciated, we will keep bringing you the best and the most authentic and authentic reporting on the issues affecting our everyday lives. Stay tuned for new episodes every Monday morning! - The Firebrand Movement - Our mission is to bring you the highest quality, unadulterated, uncensored and unapologetically unfiltered reporting on all things happening in our everyday life. We will not tolerate mediocrity, corruption, greed, abuse, and money-based politics. - Firebrandism, we won t tolerate it. - We will burn it all down, we are going to burn it down, not build it to the ground, not up. - Tweet us . Tweet us what you like it and tweet us :) to let us know what you think of it! Timestamps, tweet us what it means to you guys think about it. Tweet Me! or do you agree with us? or disagree with it? or don t burn it up? - Timestop it down! ? & we'll tweet it up in a tweet us a picture of what you thought it's good or don't burn it away? #Firebrandlife or send us a screenshot of it or leave it down on Insta story? & tag us a message ! or a retweet it's a tweet about it? or a screenshot or a story you think it's great, right? or something like it's better than it's beautiful or not?

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00:00:00.000 Thank you.
00:04:44.000 Matt Gaetz was one of the very few members in the entire Congress who bothered to stand up against permanent Washington on behalf of his constituents.
00:04:51.000 Matt Gaetz right now, he's a problem in the Democratic Party.
00:04:54.000 He could cause a lot of hiccups in passing the laws.
00:04:57.000 So we're going to keep running those stories to get hurt again.
00:05:01.000 If you stand for the flag and kneel in prayer, if you want to build America up and not burn her to the ground, then welcome, my fellow patriots!
00:05:10.000 You are in the right place!
00:05:11.000 This is the movement for you!
00:05:13.000 You ever watch this guy on television?
00:05:16.000 It's like a machine.
00:05:17.000 Matt Gaetz.
00:05:18.000 I'm a canceled man in some corners of the internet.
00:05:22.000 Many days I'm a marked man in Congress, a wanted man by the deep state.
00:05:26.000 They aren't really coming for me.
00:05:28.000 They're coming for you.
00:05:30.000 I'm just in the way.
00:05:35.000 Welcome to Firebrand Live.
00:05:37.000 We're here in the Longworth office building simulcasting, so make sure that you've got those notifications turned on so you get each and every one of our video reports.
00:05:46.000 The Joe Biden administration is doing everything in their power to purge our military of There has been a substantial impact on America's military readiness as a consequence of the flawed policies of the Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, and frankly, some of the Republicans have gone along with it.
00:06:13.000 Even some of the Republicans on the House Armed Services Committee.
00:06:16.000 So in this episode, we have an unbelievable interview with three service members, active duty today, loving our country, willing to fight for our country and lend their talents to America's defense.
00:06:30.000 But they're at risk of coercion, retaliation, expulsion, dishonorable discharge.
00:06:37.000 You see, I think when Republicans retake control, we're going to have to find the circumstances where members of our military were driven out as a consequence of vaccine mandates and we're going to have to restore those people.
00:06:48.000 But you are going to be moved and inspired when you hear what these military members have been through, what their colleagues have been through.
00:06:56.000 And now, what they think about military service, it's really something.
00:07:00.000 But a lot is happening on the Hill today as well.
00:07:03.000 The Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, is testifying right now before the House Judiciary Committee.
00:07:12.000 Our border is in total crisis.
00:07:14.000 And the point that the American people have to get is that this is on purpose.
00:07:18.000 It's not like the border can't be sealed.
00:07:20.000 The policies of Title 42, Remain in Mexico, and Save Third Country, all working together alongside a physical barrier, a wall, changes to asylum laws.
00:07:34.000 All of this in the Trump administration had dramatically reduced illegal immigration.
00:07:38.000 And now we have the highest number of border migrant illegal alien encounters in America's history.
00:07:47.000 And we have the lowest number of deportations.
00:07:50.000 Just a few moments ago, I questioned Homeland Security Secretary Ali Mayorkas on these matters.
00:07:56.000 Take a listen.
00:07:58.000 One million people are undetained, free, roaming about the country.
00:08:05.000 They've gone before a judge.
00:08:07.000 A judge has issued a final order of removal.
00:08:11.000 How many ICE agents do you need to deport them?
00:08:16.000 Congressman, I think what we need is legislation to fix a broken immigration system.
00:08:22.000 You don't need legislation to overcome a final order of removal, right?
00:08:26.000 Look, I get it.
00:08:27.000 You want comprehensive immigration reform and a big amnesty thing.
00:08:30.000 Very unlikely that's going to happen.
00:08:32.000 So we have to operate under the laws that exist now.
00:08:34.000 So under the laws that exist now, a judge has told 1.2 million people that they have no right to be here.
00:08:42.000 Do you plan to remove those 1.2 million people?
00:08:46.000 Congressman, with the resources we have, and I would appreciate the opportunity to answer your question fully.
00:08:51.000 With the resources we have, we have to allocate those resources.
00:08:56.000 How much money do you need to deport all of them?
00:08:58.000 How much money?
00:08:59.000 How many agents?
00:09:01.000 To deport the 1.2 million who a judge has said has no right to be here.
00:09:07.000 Congressman, there are a number of questions that your question Erases with respect to whether all of those individuals actually have been given due process.
00:09:17.000 No, no, no, they have.
00:09:18.000 These are the people who've had the due process, okay?
00:09:20.000 And here's the point.
00:09:21.000 You have no plan to remove them.
00:09:23.000 You don't know how many ICE agents it would take and you don't know how much money it would take because you actually don't want to remove them.
00:09:29.000 That's why you issued the September 30th guidance that says, well, you know, if you haven't committed a crime and you just came to our country illegally, we're not going to remove you. 0.98
00:09:36.000 Isn't that your position?
00:09:37.000 No, it isn't, Congressman.
00:09:39.000 Not at all.
00:09:40.000 Then what is your plan to remove the 1.2 million?
00:09:43.000 Do you have one?
00:09:45.000 Yes, we do.
00:09:46.000 If I may, Congressman, as a former prosecutor, let me ask you a question.
00:09:50.000 If one has a finite amount of resources and one has a finite number of hours, And one has a choice of removing 20 shoplifters or three fugitive armed bank robbers.
00:10:05.000 How would you spend your time?
00:10:07.000 I know how you've spent yours.
00:10:08.000 I know how you've spent yours by decreasing by 48% the number of criminals you arrest, by deporting 63% fewer convicted criminals.
00:10:17.000 You have the lowest deportation rate in the history of the department, right?
00:10:23.000 Your data that you cite is misleading.
00:10:25.000 No, it's your data.
00:10:26.000 This is actually what your own agency is reporting.
00:10:29.000 So do you think that it just might be the case that one reason that we will encounter the highest number of illegal immigrations in our nation's history this month and next month?
00:10:40.000 Because everybody knows that even if they come here, even if they go through the removal procedures, even if a judge issues a final order, you still think there might be more due process and you have no plan to remove them.
00:10:53.000 And then when I ask you what the plan is, you say, oh, well, resources.
00:10:55.000 I've got to make finite decisions.
00:10:57.000 I go back to my first question.
00:10:59.000 How many ICE agents to remove the 1.2 million?
00:11:02.000 Congressman, I'd be pleased to provide you with the resourcing data subsequent to this hearing, if I may.
00:11:08.000 And I think it's telling that you've got plans for pronouns and you've got plans for misinformation.
00:11:15.000 But when it comes to the plan to remove the people that have had due process, you don't have one at all.
00:11:21.000 Now, 800,000 people Have encountered your CBP agents, and those folks have been released into the country.
00:11:27.000 Like, some of those people are going to commit crimes, aren't they?
00:11:31.000 Congressman, may I have a moment to answer your questions?
00:11:34.000 Will some of the 800,000 commit crimes, yes or no?
00:11:38.000 Undoubtedly.
00:11:39.000 Undoubtedly.
00:11:40.000 And so the Americans who are the victims of the crimes for the people that you release in the country are collateral damage that you are willing to accept in order to have our border function as a turnstile.
00:11:52.000 You're willing to accept that collateral damage.
00:11:54.000 Congressman, I couldn't disagree with you more.
00:11:56.000 Let me give you, if I can, some data that will actually...
00:12:00.000 More than the data, how about this?
00:12:02.000 How did it feel to you when you went to the border and the Border Patrol agents turned their back on you?
00:12:08.000 One Border Patrol agent turned his back on me and I addressed that as the leader of the Department of Homeland Security.
00:12:16.000 So if I can return to data because I want to Make sure that you have accurate information.
00:12:22.000 Everyone knows that you have more people coming in than ever and you're removing fewer people than ever and it's because you have no plan and because it's on purpose.
00:12:30.000 See, I don't buy the theory that you don't know how to do this.
00:12:33.000 I think you're actually a highly competent dude.
00:12:35.000 But the reality is your plan is to bring these people in and to send the message to the smugglers and the criminals that they will never have to leave.
00:12:44.000 That's why your workforce turns their back on you.
00:12:46.000 And you have tools that you could use to deport these people.
00:12:49.000 You have facial recognition.
00:12:50.000 You have flights going all over the country, dropping people off.
00:12:53.000 And I think we ought to use the best tools in the country to find these folks, round them up like they were at the Capitol on January 6th, and deport every last one of them.
00:13:01.000 I yield back.
00:13:02.000 The gentleman yields back, Ms. Bass.
00:13:04.000 Congressman, may I have a moment to answer a question?
00:13:09.000 No, he didn't ask the question.
00:13:13.000 So we're back live here at the Capitol simulcasting and you can see there the crisis at the border is not the result of an accident.
00:13:21.000 It's not the result of neglect.
00:13:23.000 This is a purposeful effort to do damage and harm to our country.
00:13:28.000 And if our nation's sovereignty is degraded, if there are people who are victims of crimes, that's acceptable collateral damage for the Biden administration.
00:13:39.000 It's sickening and unpatriotic.
00:13:42.000 And it bears a sharp contrast to the patriotism that we see from our uniformed military.
00:13:49.000 I represent Florida's first congressional district.
00:13:51.000 We have the highest concentration of active duty military in the country.
00:13:56.000 And at a recent event in my district, I had a number of military members come up to me and express their frustration that the Department of Defense is just abandoning its own set of policies, its own requirements for review of exemptions to vaccines, and they're doing all of it for control.
00:14:16.000 It is a purposeful Biden purge of our military.
00:14:21.000 Three great heroes coming up.
00:14:23.000 Two from the United States Air Force.
00:14:25.000 One from the United States Army.
00:14:26.000 I hope you enjoy the conversation.
00:14:28.000 Take a listen.
00:14:31.000 We're joined today by three of America's best, Air Force Captain Jordan Carr, Air Force Master Sergeant Nick Cupper, and Army Major Sam Sigiloff.
00:14:40.000 And I'll start with you, Major.
00:14:42.000 How has your medical career progressed in the Army?
00:14:46.000 Talk about the nine years you've spent in just part of the administration of healthcare in the Army.
00:14:53.000 Well, first I want to say that any of you that I express is solely my own.
00:14:57.000 It is not held by the government, not by DOD, nor the Department of the Army.
00:15:02.000 I am currently on leave and my PAO officer is aware.
00:15:05.000 And this disclaimer goes for all of us.
00:15:08.000 So I've been in the Army for about nine years now.
00:15:10.000 I did ROTC in college.
00:15:13.000 I did HPSP scholarship, which is to pay for medical school.
00:15:16.000 Then I went to residency at Fort Benning.
00:15:18.000 And I completed a family medicine residency there.
00:15:21.000 And I stationed a couple places, went to Alaska, and that's when COVID kind of exploded all around us.
00:15:27.000 And I was the only doctor that volunteered to go out into the COVID tent, if you will, the COVID clinic.
00:15:33.000 And for a month and a half of being out in that clinic, I did not diagnose a single case of COVID. And are you able to practice medicine now in the Army?
00:15:42.000 No, so that leads me to where I am stationed now.
00:15:44.000 I went to Fort Huachuca to be the medical director.
00:15:46.000 I was their first pick and they were my first pick.
00:15:48.000 And then after a month of work, I was suspended for granting medical exemptions to soldiers who do not want to get the shot.
00:15:55.000 So since September 13th, I have not been in medical practice and I'm in threat of losing my license in Texas.
00:16:03.000 Also at this institution, Ivermectin has been banned for off-label use.
00:16:10.000 And it was not a medical doctor and not someone licensed to practice medicine.
00:16:15.000 So this person that did this is practicing medicine without a license.
00:16:19.000 Well, America is certainly not stronger when people who are engaged in the provision of care to our service members are in any way treated unfairly.
00:16:29.000 And let me go now to you, Captain Carr.
00:16:32.000 Talk to us a little bit about your service for the United States Air Force.
00:16:36.000 Yeah, so I've been in the United States Air Force for about nine years now.
00:16:39.000 I come from a family of patriots.
00:16:41.000 Every single family member generation has served in some capacity in the Armed Forces.
00:16:47.000 My sister is a Space Force officer who's going through the same process that I am.
00:16:52.000 I've been deployed overseas.
00:16:54.000 I've had a lot of amazing opportunities in my career and You know, this is unprecedented, what's going on.
00:17:02.000 And I could spend all day talking about myself, but I really don't want to do that.
00:17:05.000 I want to talk about testimony that other service members are going through.
00:17:09.000 The most disheartening aspect of all this is the junior enlisted, you know, they're the backbone of our forces.
00:17:16.000 And the stuff that they are going through, same with our cadets at our military academies, what they're going through, they feel very alone and they feel isolated.
00:17:25.000 And, you know, part of the reason that we're here is to show them that they're not alone.
00:17:29.000 That there are things that can be done that the American people can do on our behalf, and thank you for giving us this opportunity to share that.
00:17:36.000 What's been your observation of how some of these mandates have impacted morale in the fighting force?
00:17:43.000 Yeah, so morale is very low.
00:17:45.000 Again, like Sam said, these views are my own, not that of the Department of Defense, which I think is pretty clear since all three of us are plaintiffs in a lawsuit.
00:17:54.000 The morale is very low.
00:17:55.000 The people who got the shot maybe didn't want it or maybe didn't know that the mandates being passed down were unlawful.
00:18:04.000 They're seeing it now too.
00:18:05.000 I've heard testimony from service members who got the shot and they don't want to re-enlist.
00:18:11.000 They're feeling it across the course.
00:18:12.000 I have friends that have been grounded from flying.
00:18:14.000 They're fully capable.
00:18:16.000 They are able.
00:18:17.000 They're trained.
00:18:18.000 The taxpayers pay them to fly.
00:18:20.000 They're not allowed to fly because they're unvaccinated.
00:18:22.000 And the irony here is they've actually had to fly for vaccinated members who have had to call out sick.
00:18:28.000 And so it's, you know, members are feeling it across the course.
00:18:32.000 Let's bring in Master Sergeant Nick Cupper.
00:18:36.000 Master Sergeant, one of the things that concerned me in an investigation that my office ran into the United States Navy is that when people submitted requests for religious accommodations, they were often met in response by a form letter, which to me indicated that an individual review of people's claim, how this decision was grounded in faith or scripture, Wasn't really made.
00:19:01.000 Do you have any observations about the process of requesting a religious accommodation and how the Air Force looks at those?
00:19:11.000 Yes, Congressman, thank you.
00:19:13.000 I've seen hundreds of denied religious accommodation requests to include denied appeal requests.
00:19:21.000 I've seen a handful of the approved ones.
00:19:24.000 And all of them start with the premise that the government has such a strong interest in vaccinating us that while they determine all of our religious beliefs are to be sincerely held, they determine that even as strongly as our beliefs are, they're not as strong as the government's desire and need to vaccinate all of us.
00:19:44.000 Even in situations such as my own where I currently have No restrictions on me as an unvaccinated member at my location.
00:19:51.000 I don't have to wear a mask.
00:19:52.000 I don't have to weekly test.
00:19:53.000 I don't have to do any social distancing.
00:19:57.000 My life at my job is the exact same as any vaccinated members, and I'm not unique in that scenario right now. 0.99
00:20:04.000 But the only approvals they've been doing that I've been able to see and that court documents have shown are for people who are already on terminal leave, already in their final months, where they won't return to a base.
00:20:15.000 In fact, the approval specifically says that they are only approving it because they will not return to a base.
00:20:20.000 If the member's not returning to their duty station, that's not an accommodation.
00:20:24.000 They're accommodating nothing.
00:20:26.000 I'm here talking with three service members, active duty in the United States military, who are dealing with the realities of vaccine mandates.
00:20:34.000 One thing that we've got to be really concerned about in the Congress and on the Armed Services Committee is whether or not these mandates affect readiness and our ability to do certain things.
00:20:45.000 I believe it was Captain Carr who said that she had observed circumstances where there were impacts From some of the changes in the fighting force as a result of these mandates, is there any advice that the three of you would give a member of Congress about how mandates affect readiness specifically?
00:21:06.000 So if we're talking about readiness, I feel like I got a pretty strong grasp on that one.
00:21:11.000 And that's actually the main reason for all the denials of the religious accommodations is we need a ready force.
00:21:17.000 And they're absolutely right as far as we do need a ready force.
00:21:19.000 That's the whole point of our military, to be ready for anything that might come our way.
00:21:23.000 However, according to the DOD's own numbers that are released publicly, to date, we've only lost 95 service members due to COVID. Now, every single death is a very sad, tragic loss.
00:21:35.000 But if we're looking at it from a logical perspective, we've lost 95. At the same time, we've already kicked out over 3,200 service members For not taking the COVID vaccine.
00:21:45.000 So if readiness is really the issue, 95 versus 3,200 is a significant difference.
00:21:52.000 And from my perspective, and I don't speak for the DoD, but from my perspective, I'd say 3,200 is the bigger readiness issue with thousands more behind them.
00:22:02.000 Sir, if I can jump in.
00:22:04.000 The irony there too is in the Air Force, you know, we were given a pathway to voluntarily separate.
00:22:10.000 Well, a lot of members are finding that when you submit a voluntary separation application, they're coming back denied saying that we can't lose you.
00:22:18.000 You're too important to us.
00:22:20.000 And they're instead forcing them through the discharge process and they're getting rid of them anyway.
00:22:25.000 So, which is it?
00:22:26.000 Can you not stand to lose us or are you going to try and force us out anyway?
00:22:29.000 Well, I believe that we ought to require a review of how these mandates have affected readiness, and it's my belief, though I would never want to prejudge any outcome, that driving people out of the military doesn't make our force stronger, it makes our force weaker.
00:22:45.000 Major Sigilov, one of the things that an investigation I conducted into some activities at West Point showed that when people were resistant, To some of the desires of DOD that there was a tremendous amount of retaliation against service members.
00:23:03.000 Are you aware of any circumstance where because of a view someone's held or because of someone performing their duties for DOD that they were retaliated against?
00:23:14.000 Yes, and I want to make it clear that this is protected communication right now.
00:23:18.000 And I am personally being retaliated against.
00:23:21.000 I tried to commit felony crimes to CID, and my present for reporting those crimes was getting a negative counseling statement where I had to write about Article 94. And Article 94 is mutiny and sedition with the max penalty of death.
00:23:39.000 That is very threatening to me.
00:23:41.000 And that's the very fact of writing an article or any sort of negative counseling statement against me for trying to report a crime is also a crime under UCMJ. And the man that did that carries a longer than four inch blade knife everywhere he goes on post in the hospital, in the clinic, which is also a felony.
00:24:03.000 There is a nurse in the building that put, in a 15-6 commander's investigation, she put my HIPAA information in her sworn statement.
00:24:12.000 There's another nurse in the building that put an overheard, privileged patient-physician conversation into a sworn statement. 1.00
00:24:24.000 She was in another room and heard me talking on the phone and put that in a sworn statement against me. 1.00
00:24:30.000 There is an unbelievable amount of retaliation happening.
00:24:34.000 I recently had some of my charts in Alaska opened up.
00:24:38.000 To see if I was guilty of malpractice.
00:24:41.000 They found I was guilty of malpractice.
00:24:43.000 And these are people that haven't liked me for a long time because my thoughts and ideas have not changed.
00:24:49.000 They've been pretty stable ever since the start of this in regards to the shot.
00:24:53.000 If you don't want to get it, don't get it.
00:24:55.000 If you want to get it, fine.
00:24:57.000 Go ahead.
00:24:57.000 But they've opened up my charts and they've claimed that I'm guilty of malpractice.
00:25:02.000 And now they have also suspended me and put a hit against my license, which will go to Texas.
00:25:08.000 That sounds like some of the most intense and severe tools that the medical profession has to bring against anyone.
00:25:17.000 You know, Captain, I wanted to go to you and ask, there is a dynamic that plays out sometimes here in Washington where the military leaders come forward and they say, well, the number, the percentage of people being vaccinated is increasing, so what we're doing is working.
00:25:33.000 Are you aware of any circumstance or are you concerned about The way people are coerced into taking the vaccine up against this mandate, and if you are, how does that coercion manifest?
00:25:45.000 Yes, sir.
00:25:46.000 Absolutely.
00:25:47.000 So actually, what got me first interested in all of this was, you mentioned West Point Cadets.
00:25:52.000 I know Hannah McDonald. 0.98
00:25:53.000 I know Nakayla Sampson. 0.79
00:25:56.000 They were 1 of the 1st cadets at West Point to come out and say, I'm not doing this.
00:26:01.000 Like, this is religious discrimination.
00:26:03.000 What happened to them and their testimony?
00:26:04.000 It's been published in multiple articles across the mainstream.
00:26:08.000 But what happened to them was the 1st situation occurring and this was pre mandate.
00:26:13.000 Once the mandates were implemented across the DOD, we started to see the coercion, the abuse happening across services.
00:26:20.000 I know personally one security forces airman at Herlbert, she's already discharged.
00:26:26.000 She was encouraged not to appeal for religious exemption.
00:26:33.000 So she didn't appeal.
00:26:34.000 Instead, her chain of command encouraged her to apply for voluntary separation.
00:26:38.000 They said, if you apply for voluntary separation, you're likely to get an honorable discharge.
00:26:43.000 So she listened to her chain of command.
00:26:44.000 She applied for voluntary separation.
00:26:46.000 Her chain of command, the same one that was encouraging her to do this, denied her voluntary separation, and instead started wrapping up adverse paperwork against her, issued her with an Article 15. She signed the Article 15. She was threatened with jail time if she didn't sign it.
00:27:02.000 And she got a general discharge with a misconduct code characterization.
00:27:06.000 Her only crime or offense was not getting the COVID shot.
00:27:10.000 Why would any organization try to trick someone into a path regarding their career that would seemingly be a lose-lose for both the military and the service member?
00:27:23.000 I mean, are we looking at a purposeful purge, I guess, is what I'm trying to get at?
00:27:26.000 Or is this a mishandling of policy?
00:27:30.000 Something very concerning to me is if you are a believer and you are listening to this podcast, you need to understand that God-fearing service members are being intentionally purged from the services.
00:27:41.000 And when I became a plaintiff in the lawsuit that we're in, initially, I did not feel that I should be forced to apply for religious exemption.
00:27:50.000 And there are many service members In my situation who felt the same way because we did not and we still don't believe that there is a legal mandate that there is an FDA approved vaccine.
00:28:02.000 But the blessings that have come through this is that our religious convictions are much stronger because we've seen through the Liberty Council lawsuits that this is a religious purge.
00:28:12.000 That the people who are being discriminated against hold religious convictions and are people of faith.
00:28:18.000 Yeah, Major, did you have something to add to that?
00:28:21.000 It's a purposeful purge.
00:28:23.000 Anyone who would disobey an unlawful order is being purged out of the military.
00:28:29.000 And there is a shadow policy in place that is protecting all of these people enforcing the shadow policy.
00:28:36.000 We've all put in IG complaints and they've all fallen on deaf ears.
00:28:39.000 And I have evidence that what's going on where I am is directly against Secretary of Defense Policy, which is also – Secretary of Defense Policy is also in line with the law that's been in place since 2003. And I have been suspended, and there's been no repercussions.
00:28:55.000 Congressman Matt Gaetz here, joined by three active duty members of our military sharing their observations and experiences with the vaccine mandate.
00:29:03.000 And, you know, Master Sergeant Cupper, one of the oversight responsibilities of Congress is to ensure that our laws are being faithfully executed, And that we're responsive to conditions as they exist in the world.
00:29:16.000 And when the coronavirus vaccine mandate was announced by Secretary Austin, we had a number of statements from members of Congress regarding their reaction to that.
00:29:27.000 And really, while no one here speaks for the DOD, you're all expressing your First Amendment right to petition your government, and I'm a government official.
00:29:34.000 I want to really understand from you What do you expect of your representatives and lawmakers in the face of this decision by DOD? What should the Congress be doing to be doing right by the men and women who wear the uniform?
00:29:51.000 Well, Congressman, what I would like to see, and I think I could probably speak for my two partners here, is I would like to see Congress and the government hold the DoD accountable to the law.
00:30:04.000 The law states that any emergency use product, whether it be a vaccine, a test, or otherwise, cannot be mandated to any service member without letting the service member know you have the right to refuse it.
00:30:18.000 Unfortunately, and I don't want to suppose malicious intent or anything, but the fact on the ground is there has been no FDA-approved vaccine available to service members since the beginning of the mandate.
00:30:32.000 Now, the Secretary of Defense's memo specifically says that we will only be mandated to take fully approved, fully licensed, and labeled vaccines.
00:30:40.000 At the time of the memo, Comirnaty was the only one.
00:30:43.000 Now you have Spikevax as an approved one.
00:30:45.000 The problem is, and we have ample evidence, recordings from Pfizer, recordings from the FDA, documents from the CDC, that all say Comirnaty has not been shipped.
00:30:56.000 No one has it.
00:30:58.000 Spikevax has not been shipped.
00:30:59.000 Nobody has it.
00:31:01.000 I mean, my base specifically, I have multiple email correspondence over months where my base immunologist agrees we only have emergency use vaccine.
00:31:09.000 So, whether it's malicious intent or not, every single service member since the day of the mandate who has been mandated to take a vaccine has been illegally mandated to take an emergency use vaccine and it's all predicated upon one memo Written by Dr. Terry Adiram.
00:31:24.000 That memo mistakes what the FDA says about an interchangeability between the emergency use vaccine and the fully approved vaccine.
00:31:33.000 The FDA was attempting to say it's only medically interchangeable, but they had a footnote that specifically pointed out that they were two legally distinct vaccines with certain differences.
00:31:45.000 This memo written by Dr. Terri Adirim says that those two vaccines, the emergency use and the fully approved one, because the DOD knew they didn't have the approved one on hand, she said in there that they will be used both interchangeably to meet the mandate.
00:31:59.000 And every doctor, every commander, Has been going off of that, and so every time we file an IG complaint, or we complain up to our Commander, and you can't blame our Commander, they're low level.
00:32:10.000 They don't control the entire DoD.
00:32:12.000 They're just doing what they're told, and I understand that.
00:32:14.000 But when we complain up, everyone gets referred to that one memo, That is an unlawful order in and of itself.
00:32:21.000 If for no other reason than the fact that that order takes into account in no way that the fact that these vials of vaccine are not labeled appropriately as the Secretary of Defense has required.
00:32:33.000 So, Dr. Terri Aderum's memo that she wrote is unlawful. 0.95
00:32:37.000 And I believe they knew that because they routed another memo a few weeks later for signature that they ended up not signing.
00:32:44.000 Mr. Gilbert Cisneros was requested to sign it.
00:32:47.000 It would have effectively just said, hey, we have to follow the law.
00:32:50.000 If there's an emergency use vaccine and the member wants to take a fully approved one, you have to allow them before you punish them.
00:32:56.000 And what ended up happening is all the services got their chance to comment on whether they thought that should exist or not.
00:33:02.000 And in the Air Force's comments specifically, they effectively said, we've already been discharging people, we've already been punishing people under the auspices that this was legal.
00:33:12.000 If we have to now have this new memo that proves that what we did was illegal, it's going to cause a lot of headache.
00:33:18.000 We recommend you not sign the memo.
00:33:20.000 And almost to a person, the folks I know in military service are quite versed on regulations.
00:33:25.000 That's why a lot of people excel in the military is the ability to understand, adhere to regulations, to be able to perform the functions that our nation requires the same way each and every time with a great degree of confidence.
00:33:40.000 We are right now in the process of having the hearings that establish the National Defense Authorization Act.
00:33:47.000 And as a member of the Armed Services Committee, I will be introducing amendments to the National Defense Authorization Act to ban any mandate for experimental vaccines for the COVID-19 vaccine as it currently applies to the military.
00:34:02.000 And I will also be filing an amendment to restore, to rank and pay anyone who was forced to leave the military or coerced to leave the military as a consequence of these vaccines.
00:34:14.000 That's the good news.
00:34:14.000 The bad news is that if the vote were held on those amendments today, it would fail.
00:34:20.000 It would fail because the majority party would oppose it and even some in my party would oppose it.
00:34:25.000 And so I want to get your advice in this section of our interview about how you would go about persuading someone who believes in these mandates, maybe to reflect on some of the insights that you've shared.
00:34:38.000 And I'm going to present to you, this is an August 9, 2021 statement from United States Representative Mike Rogers of Alabama, who's the ranking member of the Armed Services Committee.
00:34:48.000 And he says in part, today, Secretary Austin announced plans to require all members of the military to be vaccinated against COVID-19 starting in mid-September or upon licensure by the Food and Drug Administration, whichever comes first.
00:35:05.000 He continues.
00:35:06.000 Vaccines protect our men and women, many of whom live in cramped and crowded conditions, from the spread of disease while at home or deployed across the globe.
00:35:17.000 Our adversaries will take advantage of everything they can over us.
00:35:21.000 We must not allow COVID-19 to be a hindrance of our force.
00:35:25.000 Secretary Austin earlier confirmed that as of mid-July, over 70% of active duty troops had received at least one vaccine shot.
00:35:34.000 That is encouraging news and I hope that number reaches 100% quickly.
00:35:40.000 I also want to encourage President Biden to work with the FDA to approve the vaccine as soon as it's safe to do so.
00:35:47.000 Who wants to go first?
00:35:48.000 What argument would you present to Congressman Rogers to sway his view that anything less than 100% vaccination rate is not acceptable?
00:35:58.000 May I start?
00:35:59.000 Go right ahead.
00:35:59.000 So I'm going to be publishing an episode on Sunday, May 1st on After Hours with Dr. Sigloff.
00:36:06.000 I encourage everyone to listen to it because I think I just recently learned this and I've heard this recently that, you know, you want to give the right treatment for the right disease.
00:36:15.000 And so if you have a broken arm, I'm not going to give you an injection to help with, you know, some infection you may never get.
00:36:23.000 And so I say that to say, listen to that podcast.
00:36:29.000 I don't 100% believe that this is a virus.
00:36:32.000 I think this is a poisoning that's going on.
00:36:34.000 And it sounds insane, but it's the only thing that brings all of the unrelated medical issues together.
00:36:41.000 Like, how can two people in one household, like my parents, that lives off a well, my dad gets sick and my mom didn't?
00:36:49.000 It's supposed to be this horribly contagious disease.
00:36:51.000 How do smokers get less disease than non-smokers?
00:36:55.000 It's supposed to be a respiratory illness.
00:36:57.000 Well, if nicotine blocks the poison from working, then that's how it helps keep you from becoming ill.
00:37:03.000 And I'm not encouraging anyone to smoke, but there may be use for nicotine in a patch or a gum.
00:37:09.000 And so if we're being poisoned, and let's say the shots are hurting people, which we know they are, Then yes, we want to keep our adversaries from taking advantage of the US, and the way we do that is we don't do what our adversaries want us to do.
00:37:23.000 And they want us to inject our soldiers so that we don't have an effective fighting force, because we will not have an effective fighting force.
00:37:30.000 If we kick out, let's say, 3,000 people and we can't work with those few people, How more or less will we be able to work if 5% are non-combat effective?
00:37:39.000 Or more realistic, maybe 50%.
00:37:41.000 Right now there's about 80, there's an article about 80 dead soldiers from Fort Bragg.
00:37:48.000 80 in the past year, two years?
00:37:50.000 That's an insane amount of number of dead soldiers.
00:37:53.000 That's unusual.
00:37:54.000 That needs to be investigated.
00:37:55.000 So we need to take a pause on an unaffected treatment It has negative efficacy, meaning you're more likely to get infected if it is indeed an infection and not a poisoning, which it seems like it is, because all the things that work for this particular type of poisoning seem to help people.
00:38:13.000 Captain Carr, what would you say to a member of Congress who held that view that I expressed?
00:38:18.000 From a national security standpoint, we stand to lose upwards of half a million military members because of these mandates.
00:38:25.000 That's total force.
00:38:27.000 There's only a couple million service members serving right now.
00:38:30.000 So, from a national security standpoint, I think it is very important.
00:38:34.000 Also, these COVID shots are not safe, nor are they effective.
00:38:38.000 Members who have gotten the vaccines have many issues.
00:38:42.000 They're scared to report them.
00:38:43.000 And from a safety and efficacy standpoint, I know Nick can speak personally on this.
00:38:49.000 He is basically Superman.
00:38:50.000 He has so many antibodies and that's not being considered.
00:38:54.000 And he has an exemption because of his antibodies for almost every single vaccine in the military.
00:39:01.000 Captain Carr is absolutely right as far as in the past I've gotten natural immunity exemptions to every single shot that I'm required to take with the exception of the flu.
00:39:09.000 I understand the flu changes.
00:39:11.000 I get that.
00:39:11.000 But the data that's available for COVID, you know, it shows unequivocally with the exception of a very small study out of Kentucky that the CDC posted with maybe 235 participants.
00:39:24.000 It shows unequivocally that natural immunity, especially if you can prove you actually have it, is better than the shot alone.
00:39:30.000 I mean, even today we just learned that Vice President Harris got COVID only 25 days after her fourth shot.
00:39:36.000 That doesn't seem like a very effective vaccine to me.
00:39:39.000 But if you look at the numbers of this, and I'm not sure if you're aware or not, but Walgreens, you know, they're one of the biggest vaccinators we have in this country.
00:39:48.000 You know, there's Walgreens on every corner.
00:39:50.000 They actually have a website where they list all the positive cases by percent based on how many shots a person has, whether it's zero shots, one, two, three, whatever.
00:40:00.000 If you look at their data, and it's up-to-date data, you're seeing that the positivity rate for the unvaccinated member is far lower than anyone else.
00:40:09.000 One shot, two shot, three shots, doesn't matter.
00:40:11.000 Which, that directly speaks to natural immunity, because at this point, there are very few people in our country, or in the world for that matter, that haven't already had COVID. Me specifically, I've gone and taken eight different antibody tests now, and the most recent one I just took was last week, 15 months after I had infection, and I'm still reading off the chart on the test.
00:40:31.000 My base immunologist even wrote me a letter of endorsement for my appeal stating that I am immunized.
00:40:37.000 And what we're going to have here is we have An all-or-none solution, which is not the right solution.
00:40:44.000 So, if I were to talk to another member of Congress, if I were going to try to convince them, first off, I would come to them with compassion.
00:40:51.000 I wouldn't come to them from a stance of anger or a stance of sadness.
00:40:55.000 I'm a very logical person.
00:40:56.000 I would come with the numbers.
00:40:58.000 I would come with an understanding that, look, I get it.
00:41:01.000 We wanted these shots to be a miracle cure.
00:41:04.000 And, you know, everyone was looking for some hope.
00:41:07.000 They've clung to it, unfortunately, This isn't the miracle cure everyone looked for.
00:41:11.000 And with the variants changing, with the waning efficacy and everything else, and I mean just the myriad of data, it's clearly not the cure it was.
00:41:21.000 If you look at the Air Force alone, from the date the mandate started until today, the Air Force has seen a 400% increase in COVID deaths, whereas the United States, as a general population, has only seen a 58% increase in COVID deaths.
00:41:35.000 But at the same point, the Air Force's vaccination rate has increased by 73%, whereas the U.S. has only increased by 24%.
00:41:42.000 How on earth is that possible?
00:41:44.000 And when you look at the DOD as a whole, you see the same similar thing.
00:41:47.000 You see a 179% increase in deaths over that same timeframe.
00:41:51.000 Why is it that with a younger, healthier, more vaccinated force, we're seeing more COVID deaths per capita than the United States is seeing with a much older, unhealthier, less vaccinated population?
00:42:02.000 One thing I worry about is that the data would be unpersuasive to people who are motivated by corrupt purposes.
00:42:10.000 And frankly, I see a little too much of that in Washington, D.C. when it comes to the influence of Big Pharma.
00:42:17.000 Big Pharma has multiple lobbyists for every member of Congress.
00:42:21.000 They shell out Millions of dollars in campaign donations to people.
00:42:26.000 And then you have oftentimes a revolving door between a lot of these public health entities and big pharmaceutical companies.
00:42:34.000 I mean, you know, I've seen in the military at times a concerning revolving door between senior leaders in the military and Defense contractors.
00:42:43.000 And at times, you know, that's where Congress plays an important role to make sure that conflicts of interest and bias doesn't in any way impact decision-making in a bad way.
00:42:53.000 And what I have to report to the three of you is that I think that people don't want to hear it on the data because you know what?
00:43:01.000 Big Pharma just loves the idea of having everyone forced to utilize their product.
00:43:06.000 I mean, who wouldn't want to live in a world where the government was forcing you to utilize your product?
00:43:12.000 As strong as I think that appeal may be, Nick, I think there also has to be an appeal with service members about, like, these are our bravest patriots.
00:43:20.000 We have a volunteer fighting force.
00:43:23.000 You know, the best of the best volunteer for our military and are willing to go anywhere and do anything and fight everyone and accept any mission.
00:43:30.000 On behalf of the rest of us, and so if you retaliate against those people, if you improperly coerce them, if you try to hem them in against regulations, it creates a far broader problem.
00:43:43.000 I mean, you know, all of you have made the decision to serve in our military.
00:43:46.000 Are there any of your family members who are concerned about your careers and the opportunity that you have to make a patriotic contribution based on these mandates?
00:43:55.000 How do they think about this?
00:43:57.000 I know.
00:43:58.000 So I believe I'm the closest one in this group here to retirement.
00:44:01.000 I can retire next year so long as I'm not kicked out in the meantime.
00:44:05.000 And I mean, you know, I'm a grown man.
00:44:08.000 My mom, my dad, they're very worried for my career.
00:44:12.000 They're very worried for the nearly 20 years I put in and that it may all go to waste.
00:44:16.000 You know, they're also very worried about me being forced to take an experimental vaccine.
00:44:20.000 You know, they don't want to see that.
00:44:22.000 And I used to recruit for years, and I can tell you there was just a report that came out that shows that for the Air Force alone, their population that wants to join, they've lost 50% already.
00:44:34.000 People are not wanting to join anymore.
00:44:36.000 And honestly, if it's my own kids, I'm not going to suggest they join.
00:44:39.000 In fact, I'm going to do whatever I can to dissuade them.
00:44:41.000 Now, in my career, up until this point, Things have been relatively fine.
00:44:46.000 I mean, you have an issue here or there that you discuss with your command, you know, once and again, and you get it resolved, or maybe you think something's stupid and that's, you know, just water cooler talk.
00:44:56.000 Never in my career, and like I said, this has been nearly 20 years, never once has there been something that I have been this passionate about because I realize how wrong it is.
00:45:05.000 I mean, I would not put my name to a lawsuit.
00:45:07.000 I would not buck against this if it were not that serious.
00:45:10.000 I'm literally putting my entire career on the line here.
00:45:13.000 I've got a family of four children and my wife.
00:45:16.000 One child is adopted and disabled from Armenia.
00:45:19.000 If I don't get this retirement, I lose my medical.
00:45:22.000 You know, this is something I've worked my entire life for.
00:45:25.000 But I know what's right.
00:45:26.000 I know what's wrong.
00:45:28.000 And I'm willing to put it all on the line to do what is right.
00:45:32.000 And I've tried to make that extremely clear to my leaders that, look, if a person like me is willing to put everything on the line, you might want to listen to me.
00:45:39.000 I might not be crazy.
00:45:41.000 Amen to that.
00:45:43.000 Absolutely.
00:45:44.000 Captain, do you have something to add to that about just how family and loved ones look at this dynamic that our service members are put into?
00:45:52.000 Yes, sir.
00:45:52.000 So, like I said before, I come from a family of service members.
00:45:55.000 We honestly can't believe what's going on.
00:45:57.000 I feel more concerned for the junior enlisted, the members who were coerced or tricked into getting the shot that is not an approved shot.
00:46:06.000 And they did it because, like Nick, they have family to consider, you know, their lifestyle.
00:46:12.000 I actually, there's a tech sergeant who just joined a lawsuit.
00:46:14.000 He couldn't even afford to pay the $500 for the lawsuit, and so a couple officers Helped him because, you know, he's concerned about supporting his family.
00:46:22.000 There's a Navy chaplain.
00:46:24.000 I have his testimony right here, actually.
00:46:26.000 He He's 16 years in service.
00:46:30.000 He was holed up in a hotel with his family of five and their dog, his pregnant wife, for seven months.
00:46:35.000 He had to shell out $21,000 of his own money because if you are not vaccinated, this occurred when the mandates were first implemented.
00:46:43.000 If you are not vaccinated, they declared that you could not PCS, and they were in the middle of PCSing.
00:46:48.000 So for seven months, he and his five family members with his pregnant wife And dog were in a hotel and they had to shell out their own money for this.
00:46:57.000 He still hasn't gotten reimbursed.
00:46:58.000 And this is a Navy chaplain.
00:47:01.000 All three of you know these regs a great deal, and there is litigation that you've joined to resolve some of these issues.
00:47:08.000 And there are going to be a lot of folks from my district who are wearing the uniform, who have loved ones who are wearing the uniform, who are going to watch this, and they're going to think the three of you have tremendous bravery, and they're going to want to know how they can connect with you, how they can follow the progress of this litigation and any rulings that come out of it.
00:47:26.000 So how can people stay informed into the battle that you're waging?
00:47:31.000 So, I don't have any social media, but there are groups that are out there.
00:47:35.000 So, Terminal CWO on Telegram, Military Freedom Keepers on Telegram, Fight for Veterans with the number 4 on Telegram.
00:47:41.000 Those are ways that you can reach out to people.
00:47:43.000 There are service members helping each other through this process and, you know, putting out, you know, how to go through the religious exemption process, how to go through the appeal process.
00:47:53.000 So, those are good ways.
00:47:54.000 What about the litigation?
00:47:55.000 How can folks follow the litigation? 0.95
00:47:58.000 So with litigation, one of the biggest lawsuits, and this isn't ours, but Liberty Council has a couple different ones.
00:48:04.000 They have a pretty good Instagram, Twitter following, if anyone wants to look up Liberty Council.
00:48:09.000 They really focus on their religious freedom.
00:48:12.000 Our particular case is Coker v.
00:48:15.000 Austin, and honestly, for that, it's really just a matter of you can look it up online, and there's...
00:48:21.000 Websites that allow you to, for free, look at the documentation.
00:48:25.000 We're not letting go to the council.
00:48:26.000 We don't have a big presence on media.
00:48:28.000 We're not trying to blast it out there necessarily.
00:48:31.000 But, you know, some of the sites, the terminal sites that Jordan was talking about, They are also on Instagram, Terminal CWO, Military Freedom Keepers, and what they will do is they will kind of be a collective source for all these lawsuits, and they will oftentimes post what's going on, what the big updates are, you know, little things don't really matter, but the big updates, and give people hope.
00:48:55.000 You know, that's one of the biggest things with all of us, especially at the beginning of this.
00:49:00.000 A lot of these service members, they don't know there's anyone else standing with them.
00:49:04.000 They might be the only person in their unit.
00:49:06.000 And they don't know any better, and they feel alone, they feel scared.
00:49:09.000 I've honestly been extremely fearful with the steep rise in suicides we've seen across the DoD, that some of these members may take their life waiting for the DoD to do the right thing, which it may never do.
00:49:21.000 Dr. Sigaloff, how can folks follow your podcast and on what platforms?
00:49:26.000 So I'm on all platforms where you can find podcasts.
00:49:29.000 It's After Hours with Dr. Sigalov.
00:49:31.000 Also, I'm in a military advisory council with Truth for Health Foundation.
00:49:37.000 That's with Dr. Lee Valit.
00:49:38.000 It's a 401c3.
00:49:42.000 It's a non-for-profit, non-political group.
00:49:45.000 And she is giving grants.
00:49:48.000 to soldiers that need money for lawsuits and helping them get through this process.
00:49:51.000 And she's also donating a lot of her personal time to treat soldiers who have been injured.
00:49:56.000 And I want to put a little plug out there. 0.96
00:49:58.000 If any general sees this And wants to have an actual understanding of the injuries that are happening to soldiers, email me at afterhours at 1791.com.
00:50:10.000 That's afterhours at 1791.com or get ahold of Dr. Valit.
00:50:15.000 I will get you in touch with Dr. Valit and she will give you A true honest opinion with no big money, with no outside influence, with nothing other than truth and knowledge and wanting the best for our service members and our country members to give you that because any general can make this stop right now.
00:50:36.000 I want to thank the three of you not only for fighting for our country but for fighting for your fellow service members who are, I think, waiting with bated breath for these legal determinations and hoping that their careers and lives will not be ruined.
00:50:51.000 I will endeavor in the House Armed Services Committee to pursue legislation to block the administration of these mandates And to restore the people who have been harmed by them.
00:51:00.000 I think that restoration is going to be very, very important and we're going to have to have a process for that because, you know, the United States military is possibly the most important institution in our government because it's what keeps us safe.
00:51:13.000 And it always has attracted the best and brightest among us, and if we wanted to continue to do so, I think there are a lot more people in Washington who need to hear the feedback that all of you just gave, feedback that you're entirely entitled to give under your First Amendment rights to petition your government.
00:51:29.000 Thank you so much for joining me, and I look forward to sharing updates regarding your progress and the progress we're able to make in the Congress.
00:51:36.000 You guys have been fighting for this great country, and you deserve lawmakers and representatives who will fight for you.
00:51:42.000 Thanks so much.