Firebrand - Matt Gaetz - October 13, 2023


Episode 120 LIVE: Speaker-Designate Jim Jordan – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

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First Amendment liberties J6 tapes release and Hunter Biden subpoena 55 names
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Matt Gaetz
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Kevin McCarthy John Rutherford Donald Trump Hunter Biden Fauci Austin Scott Getter Hillary Clinton Tom McClintock Steve Scalise Mike Johnson Dan Bishop Jay Carney Paul Ryan Chip Roy Papadopoulos Designate Jordan Jacob Chansley Robert Mueller Joseph Mipso and 12 more
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Jim Jordan has been nominated to become the next Speaker of the House of Representatives by the Republican Study Committee. Jordan is a conservative firebrand who has been a long-time member of Congress and has served as a primary challenger to current House Speaker Kevin McCarthy for the past two years. Jordan's name has been on the short list of potential replacements for McCarthy, but there are still 55 Republicans who refuse to vote for him on the floor of the chamber. Will he win the primary and become Speaker? We'll find out on tonight's Firebrands. Firebrand: It's Choose Your Fighter Time! Subscribe to our new show on Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your shows, and don't forget to rate, comment and subscribe to our other shows CRITIQUE, The Anthropology, The HYPE Report and HYPETALKS. Subscribe and comment to stay up to date with the latest Firebrand news, and stay tuned for our next episode on the future of the Firebrand brand! Subscribe today using our podcast s hashtag and tag so we can keep sharing it on social media! and help spread the word to the firebrands out there! Thank you for listening and supporting our efforts to elect the firebrand firebrand! Love, Firebrand Nation! Timestamps: 4:00 - Matt Gaetz 6:30 - What's your favorite firebrand? 7:15 - What do you think of Jim Jordan's chances of becoming Speaker? 8: 9:00 11:15 13:30 15:00 | What would you'd like to see Jim Jordan as Speaker of The House? 16:10 - What does Kevin McCarthy do better than Kevin McCarthy? 17: Who would you vote for Jim Jordan? 18:40 - Is he a good guy? 19:30 | Is he the best choice? 21:15 | Should he have a better chance of winning in the next election? 22:10 23: Does he have the best chance of being the next speaker? 25: Is he good at it? 26:40 27:10 | What are you looking forward to be the best person to win the next guy to win in 2020? 30: What s your favorite candidate? 31:40 | Who do you have a plan for the job? 32:30 Is he better than Mr. Jordan?

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00:00:00.000 Thank you.
00:04:29.000 Matt Gaetz, the biggest firebrand inside of the House of Representatives.
00:04:47.000 You're not taking Matt Gaetz off the board, okay?
00:04:50.000 Because Matt Gaetz is an American patriot and Matt Gaetz is an American hero.
00:04:54.000 We will not continue to allow the Uniparty to run this town without a fight. 1.00
00:05:00.000 I want to thank you, Matt Gaetz, for holding the line.
00:05:04.000 Matt Gaetz is a courageous man.
00:05:06.000 If we had hundreds of Matt Gaetz in D.C., the country turns around.
00:05:11.000 It's that simple.
00:05:11.000 He's so tough, he's so strong, he's smart, and he loves this country.
00:05:16.000 Matt Gaetz.
00:05:18.000 It is the honor of my life to fight alongside each and every one of you.
00:05:23.000 We will save America!
00:05:25.000 It's choose your fighter time!
00:05:27.000 I'm sending the Firebrands. 1.00
00:05:28.000 Welcome back to Firebrands.
00:05:36.000 We are live and we are excited.
00:05:38.000 Simulcast streaming from Room 2021 of the Rayburn House Office Building here in the Capitol Complex on Washington, D.C., where we have been working to uproot the Uniparty, to squash the hopes of the special interests and lobbyists who run this town, and to put somebody in the chair for Speaker of the House who will deliver for the American people. 0.77
00:06:00.000 An America First agenda.
00:06:02.000 A rigorous oversight agenda.
00:06:05.000 And a plan on budgeting that ultimately can get us liberated from smushing everything together and on to single subject spending bills.
00:06:14.000 That is what we've been fighting for.
00:06:15.000 And frankly, Kevin McCarthy is who we've been fighting against for nine months.
00:06:19.000 His tenure as speaker is over.
00:06:22.000 And now we have the opportunity.
00:06:24.000 We're not there yet.
00:06:26.000 I'm going to walk you through all of it.
00:06:27.000 Still a lot of work to do.
00:06:28.000 Do not uncork the champagne.
00:06:30.000 But we have an opportunity, greater than ever before, to elect Congressman Jim Jordan of Ohio, Speaker of the House.
00:06:38.000 Just moments ago, in the House Republican Caucus, there was an election that occurred between Jim Jordan of Ohio and Austin Scott of Georgia.
00:06:48.000 They both did a great job in the candidate forum, and at the end of that, Jim Jordan got the most votes.
00:06:55.000 And Austin Scott, someone who's been very critical of me, who doesn't hold my view on every subject, was a complete class act.
00:07:03.000 He stood up immediately.
00:07:04.000 He endorsed Jim Jordan.
00:07:06.000 He asked the hundred or so members who'd voted for him to vote for Jim Jordan.
00:07:12.000 We had a subsequent vote where it was simply a question of acclaim to accept the will of the Republican Conference to make Jim Jordan the Speaker of the House.
00:07:23.000 And we're not there yet.
00:07:26.000 We're actually 55 votes short.
00:07:28.000 Even after Austin Scott of Georgia dropped out and endorsed Jim Jordan, there are 55 Republicans, and we don't know who all of them are, though we know some and we're going to talk about them, 55 Republicans saying that they will refuse to vote for Jim Jordan on the floor of the House of Representatives.
00:07:47.000 Here's my take.
00:07:49.000 Other than Donald Trump, Jim Jordan is the most popular Republican in America.
00:07:54.000 And I know what it takes to stand on that floor and to stand on principle and to vote against the Republican nominee.
00:08:03.000 I know the pressures that puts on.
00:08:05.000 I know how hard it is to hold a coalition together like that.
00:08:09.000 And it is not as easy said as it is done.
00:08:13.000 And so if we've got some moderate, squish, weak Republicans who will not vote for Jim Jordan...
00:08:20.000 They shouldn't be able to do that in some closed-door room in the basement of the Capitol.
00:08:24.000 We should be having public votes on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives as many times as it takes to elect Jim Jordan Speaker of the House.
00:08:33.000 And if these no-name, no-nothing members want to stand up and oppose Jim Jordan, my sense is that they're going to hear a lot from their Republican constituents who know Jim Jordan to be a good man and a fighter.
00:08:48.000 And a hero for the Republican cause.
00:08:49.000 I am so excited to go to that floor again and cast my vote for Jim Jordan.
00:08:54.000 We showed you in our last episode my nominating speech for Jim Jordan.
00:08:59.000 I believe Jim Jordan should have done it all along.
00:09:02.000 But we are at this moment now.
00:09:04.000 And he truly may be the last best hope to save this country and to bring our Republican majority into the posture of a fighting force.
00:09:15.000 I want to address some of the criticism.
00:09:17.000 Folks have said, oh, Matt Gaetz, you had no plan.
00:09:22.000 This was the plan.
00:09:23.000 Upgrade the position of Speaker of the House.
00:09:25.000 And by the way, I was so confident in the plan because there are so many options better than Kevin McCarthy.
00:09:32.000 Scalise would have been better than Kevin McCarthy.
00:09:35.000 A lot of people would be better than Kevin McCarthy.
00:09:37.000 But Jim Jordan represents a monumental upgrade.
00:09:40.000 One that I know...
00:09:42.000 Republican activists, conservatives, really Americans of all stripes should be very, very excited about.
00:09:48.000 But we've got work to do, and it's important to go into why there are 55 Republicans who don't want to vote for Jim Jordan.
00:09:55.000 Some are trying to keep their intentions clandestine, hidden.
00:10:00.000 Maybe they're working for A promotion in their committee assignment.
00:10:04.000 Maybe they want a leadership post.
00:10:05.000 Maybe they want some other feature of the kind of tapestries of public service that aren't sought by many but may be sought by some.
00:10:18.000 One member, Representative John Rutherford of Florida, said just moments ago publicly that he will not vote for Jim Jordan on the floor because he's angry with me.
00:10:30.000 Take a listen.
00:10:33.000 What do you need?
00:10:34.000 Oh yeah, so tell me where you are on Jim Jordan right now.
00:10:37.000 Okay, where I'm at right now is I'm, since the folks that want to follow the majority, which is the rule, we should follow the majority.
00:10:47.000 Kevin McCarthy had 96%.
00:10:50.000 4% took him out, joining with the Democrats.
00:10:55.000 Now we're in conference where the Democrats don't get the vote.
00:11:00.000 And I'm back with Kevin McCarthy.
00:11:03.000 Since he, out of all of the folks that have thrown their hat in the ring, he is head and shoulders above the rest in the majority that he's able to put together.
00:11:13.000 It was 96%.
00:11:16.000 And you're a no on Jordan on the floor right now. 1.00
00:11:19.000 I'm a no on allowing Matt Gaetz in the other seven to win by putting their individual in as speaker.
00:11:32.000 I've known John Rutherford for a long time.
00:11:35.000 I've known him to be a good man.
00:11:37.000 I've known him to be a man of patience, of good sensibility.
00:11:41.000 I know him to be a person who cares deeply about public service.
00:11:44.000 He was the sheriff in Duval County prior to being elected to Congress.
00:11:48.000 And in that role, I worked with him very closely because I had previously chaired the Criminal Justice Subcommittee of the Florida House of Representatives.
00:11:56.000 I know him to be a better person than what you just saw.
00:12:01.000 Because what you just saw from Congressman John Rutherford was selfish and bad for the country and childish.
00:12:10.000 It is beyond any type of rational explanation to say that because he's got a problem with me, he's not going to vote for Jim Jordan.
00:12:23.000 I'm not running for Speaker of the House.
00:12:26.000 And true public servants...
00:12:30.000 Would not use Jim Jordan as their whipping boy because they're mad at me for removing Kevin McCarthy.
00:12:37.000 We had nine months of the Kevin McCarthy experience.
00:12:40.000 It wasn't going anywhere.
00:12:42.000 Our budgeting process was a mess.
00:12:44.000 We hadn't even sent a subpoena to Hunter Biden.
00:12:47.000 And Kevin McCarthy could no longer be trusted because he had made multiple contradictory promises that he never intended to keep and couldn't possibly keep.
00:12:56.000 Those things don't infect a Jim Jordan speakership.
00:13:02.000 And John Rutherford should reconsider.
00:13:04.000 I know there are many Floridians who watch this program, and I would encourage you in the most polite and respectful way to find Congressman Rutherford's social media accounts and lay out why you believe he ought to be with the team, be with the Republicans, and be with Jim Jordan.
00:13:22.000 I hope you'll call his congressional office not to badger or to be crude in any way, But to help a good man like John Rutherford understand why supporting another good man, Jim Jordan, is the right choice.
00:13:38.000 There's also a fallacy in this 96% argument.
00:13:42.000 I've heard this before.
00:13:43.000 96% support Kevin McCarthy.
00:13:45.000 That fiction was burst in our Republican conference meeting by Kevin McCarthy.
00:13:54.000 You see, there was an effort by California Congressman Tom McClintock to deem the removal of Kevin McCarthy null and void, to sanction and condemn the folks who voted with me to remove Kevin McCarthy, and then to reinstate him as Speaker of the House.
00:14:13.000 And when Congressman McClintock made that motion, Kevin McCarthy stood up before the body and he said, you all need to know that it's not just eight who are against me.
00:14:26.000 Kevin McCarthy, to his credit, had the self-awareness to acknowledge that while eight did what had to be done in voting against him on the floor, the hard eight, that there are many others who would never vote for Kevin McCarthy again.
00:14:42.000 Now you may ask, why is that the case?
00:14:43.000 How come they didn't vote against him the time before?
00:14:47.000 Political courage is not exactly in abundance in this town.
00:14:50.000 I think a lot of you know that.
00:14:52.000 And once people saw that McCarthy was going to be removed, there were plenty who said, well, he's gone anyway.
00:14:59.000 I don't want my fingerprints on the political murder weapon, and so I will simply allow him to be removed in the absence of my vote to do it.
00:15:07.000 Some people did that out of comity.
00:15:10.000 Some people did that out of personal friendship with Kevin, even though they knew he had failed.
00:15:15.000 And a number of them did it.
00:15:17.000 Because while Kevin McCarthy has never been particularly popular with our party's activists, he certainly was popular with many of the special interest donors.
00:15:26.000 And if you want to keep a good relationship with the special interest donors, why vote against McCarthy if you don't have to in order to remove him?
00:15:35.000 So it's a little inside baseball bringing you in the room.
00:15:38.000 You should never believe the argument that 96% were ever...
00:15:43.000 For Kevin McCarthy, upon my motion to vacate, they were just willing to hide in the bushes as the hard eight did what had to be done.
00:15:52.000 And some of the people who didn't vote with us have heard a lot from their constituents about how popular removing McCarthy was, and there are some who regret the fact that they weren't with me.
00:16:01.000 And I know that because many of them have called me and said it to me in private.
00:16:05.000 And I will keep their confidence, but I also know we did the right thing and we are on the right path with Jim Jordan.
00:16:13.000 Matter of fact, I've known it for a while.
00:16:16.000 You see, back in 2021, the 14th episode of Firebrand was entitled Speaker Jordan, and I laid out the case with him that his vision and his trust factor would likely contribute to a very productive speakership if he chose to pursue the gavel.
00:16:36.000 Now, ultimately, he didn't, but see if you can catch any tells in the From episode 14 in November of 2021, Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan, take a listen.
00:16:48.000 Is one reason people need to read, do what you said you would do, because you're going to be Speaker of the House one day, Jim?
00:16:55.000 No, I'm not.
00:16:55.000 I want to be chair of the Judiciary Committee, Matt Gaetz chair in one of the subcommittees, whichever one he wants.
00:17:02.000 I want to fight for the things I think the American people sent us here to fight for.
00:17:07.000 And first and foremost is their rights.
00:17:10.000 I mean, what's happened to Americans?
00:17:12.000 I mean, I remember in Florida with you and Ron DeSantis going from small town to small town in my district, you didn't have a speaker campaign with a great deal of corporate infrastructure, but people showed up with homemade signs.
00:17:25.000 And I'm going to put them on the screen.
00:17:27.000 They brought their homemade signs that said, Speaker Jordan.
00:17:30.000 I don't like that.
00:17:30.000 And I've never seen people react to a leadership race in our country the way they did that.
00:17:35.000 That was such a fun trip.
00:17:36.000 What was the day you realized you didn't want to be speaker anymore after that?
00:17:39.000 I never really did want to be speaker.
00:17:41.000 We just sort of had to run at that time.
00:17:44.000 But I still remember that was such a fun trip.
00:17:46.000 You had to run at that time.
00:17:47.000 Yeah, I don't want to run.
00:17:48.000 I didn't want to do it.
00:17:53.000 Didn't you know then?
00:17:54.000 I mean, you can look at...
00:17:56.000 I am pressing my dear friend Jim Jordan in that clip because I know he knows he's the man.
00:18:01.000 And sometimes we're called for jobs that we don't pursue or we don't want because you get the right person with the right skills and there is divine providence in all of this.
00:18:10.000 But if you notice there, I'm pressing Jordan and he's saying he doesn't want it as he's kind of looking down and looking away because he is so humble.
00:18:19.000 And so kind and so self-effacing.
00:18:23.000 I mean, you even look at that question and answer.
00:18:27.000 I'm asking a popular politician about their own political ambitions.
00:18:32.000 And he pivots it around to talk about what he wants to do to empower me.
00:18:38.000 That is the kind of guy Jim Jordan is.
00:18:40.000 If Jim Jordan were a basketball player, he's a wrestler, not a basketball player, but he'd be the guy on the team that didn't lead in scoring but led in assists because he's willing to dish the ball to someone else for them to be able to score, for them to be in a position to be successful.
00:18:55.000 It's one of my favorite clips, one of my favorite episodes that we've done in Firebrand, and certainly Jim Jordan is one of my favorite congressmen.
00:19:03.000 And one of your favorites as well, Joe on Facebook, says Jim Jordan's the man.
00:19:09.000 Benji, South Dakota, would love a speaker, Jim Jordan.
00:19:13.000 On Getter, Patricia says it's not about the speaker to her.
00:19:17.000 She wants no omnibus bills, no CRs. 1.00
00:19:20.000 And Holly on Facebook saying eight is enough.
00:19:24.000 John on Facebook, Jim Jordan is the person.
00:19:28.000 Oh wait, we got another one here.
00:19:30.000 On Rumble, There's a concern that Paul Ryan might return.
00:19:36.000 I promise you, we will not make Paul Ryan Speaker of the House again.
00:19:40.000 Just like Kevin McCarthy, we've seen enough of that particular brand of failure.
00:19:44.000 And we want to move away from the American Enterprise Institute vision of conservative public policy and toward the America First vision for public policy.
00:19:56.000 That's what I represent.
00:19:58.000 It's what President Trump represents.
00:19:59.000 And undeniably, it is what Jim Jordan represents.
00:20:03.000 The one thing I'll miss, though, if Jim's speaker, are these electric moments in committee where he is able to display a skill set that I admire, that admittedly I try to replicate.
00:20:16.000 One of my favorites, Jim Jordan torching Dr. Fauci.
00:20:20.000 Take a listen.
00:20:23.000 Dr. Fauci, over the last year, Americans' First Amendment rights have been completely attacked.
00:20:28.000 Your right to go to church, your right to assemble, your right to petition your government, freedom of the press, freedom of speech, have all been assaulted.
00:20:35.000 For a year now, Americans haven't been able to go to church.
00:20:37.000 Even today, when they go to church, they're limited in the size of worshipers who can meet.
00:20:42.000 Your right to assemble?
00:20:44.000 Oh my goodness.
00:20:45.000 We had a curfew last fall in Ohio.
00:20:47.000 You had to be in your home at 10. In Pennsylvania, you had to be in your home.
00:20:50.000 When you're in your home, you had to wear a mask.
00:20:52.000 In Vermont, when you're in your home, you didn't have to wear a mask, Dr. Fauci, because you weren't allowed to have people over to your house.
00:20:59.000 Yeah, Congressman Jordan.
00:21:00.000 Your ability to petition your government?
00:21:02.000 For a year, American citizens haven't been able to come to their capital to petition their government.
00:21:10.000 To talk to their representatives and freedom of the press.
00:21:13.000 These very pictures that Representative Scalise just showed you and talked about, guess what?
00:21:18.000 The press isn't allowed in those facilities.
00:21:20.000 The Biden administration will not let the press in there.
00:21:23.000 And certainly freedom of speech.
00:21:25.000 I mean, the governor of our third largest state meets with physicians and that video is censored because they dare to disagree with Dr. Fauci?
00:21:39.000 So I just want to know when do Americans get their First Amendment liberties back?
00:21:44.000 We're back live.
00:21:45.000 That was Jim Jordan showing some of the best skills in the House of Representatives questioning Dr. Fauci.
00:21:50.000 And you are asking about the mask at that time in the House of Representatives.
00:21:54.000 You were not even allowed to be recognized.
00:21:56.000 You surrendered your questioning if you did not wear a mask.
00:21:59.000 But I love the subtle act of defiance for Jim Jordan not pulling it over the nose.
00:22:05.000 He never pulled it over the nose.
00:22:07.000 Maybe that was a little bit of mask resistance.
00:22:10.000 There also is concern about the J6 tapes.
00:22:13.000 Julia just raised this point on Getter. 0.89
00:22:15.000 Is Jim Jordan going to be there to get these J6 tapes released?
00:22:18.000 That is something we still need to work on.
00:22:20.000 I plan to have a conversation with him about it, but...
00:22:23.000 With Jim Jordan, you're going to know where you stand.
00:22:25.000 With McCarthy, he made a promise.
00:22:27.000 He was derelict in the promise on the J6 tapes.
00:22:30.000 And you just can't have that.
00:22:31.000 I want to see the J6 tapes released.
00:22:34.000 And a release does not mean some curated hour at a terminal for a few television producers.
00:22:43.000 I'm glad Tucker and his team got to look at those tapes.
00:22:46.000 Jacob Chansley would be in a prison cell rotting right now.
00:22:49.000 If that had not occurred, we have to acknowledge that.
00:22:52.000 But it is not enough, and it is not what was promised.
00:22:55.000 And I'm hoping to speak with Speaker Designate Jordan about the importance of a timetable for the release of this information.
00:23:03.000 And I see no basis for delay.
00:23:05.000 None at all.
00:23:06.000 I think it would be a terrific thing to get that subpoena for Hunter Biden out in the first week of Jordan and to get these J6 tapes released at the outset of the Jordan speakership.
00:23:16.000 So thank you, Julia, for raising that important point.
00:23:19.000 One of the other great Jordan moments, his questioning of Robert Mueller.
00:23:25.000 Take a listen.
00:23:27.000 When the FBI interviewed him in February...
00:23:30.000 FBI interviews him in February when the special counsel's office interviewed Mifsud.
00:23:35.000 Did he lie to you guys too?
00:23:37.000 Can't get into that.
00:23:38.000 Did you interview Mifsud?
00:23:39.000 Can't get into that.
00:23:40.000 Is Mifsud Western intelligence or Russian intelligence?
00:23:43.000 Can't get into that.
00:23:44.000 A lot of things you can't get into.
00:23:46.000 What's interesting, you can charge 13 Russians no one's ever heard of, no one's ever seen, no one's ever going to hear of them, no one's ever going to see them.
00:23:54.000 You can charge them, you can charge all kinds of people who are around the president with false statements, But the guy who launches everything, the guy who puts this whole story in motion, you can't charge him.
00:24:06.000 I think that's amazing.
00:24:08.000 I'm not certain I agree with your characterizations.
00:24:11.000 Well, I'm reading from your report.
00:24:13.000 Mifsud told Papadopoulos, Papadopoulos tells the diplomat, the diplomat tells the FBI, the FBI opens the investigation July 31st, 2016, and here we are three years later, July of 2019, the country's been put through this, and the central figure who launches it all, Lies to us, and you guys don't hunt him down and interview him again, and you don't charge him with a crime.
00:24:36.000 Now, here's the good news.
00:24:37.000 Here's the good news.
00:24:39.000 The president was falsely accused of conspiracy.
00:24:41.000 The FBI does a 10-month investigation, and James Comey, when we deposed him a year ago, told us at that point they had nothing.
00:24:47.000 You do a 22-month investigation.
00:24:49.000 At the end of that 22 months, you find no conspiracy.
00:24:52.000 And what's the Democrats want to do?
00:24:54.000 They want to keep investigating.
00:24:55.000 They want to keep going.
00:24:57.000 Maybe a better course of action, maybe a better course of action is to figure out how the false accusation started.
00:25:04.000 Maybe it's to go back and actually figure out why Joseph Mipset was lying to the FBI. And here's the good news.
00:25:11.000 Here's the good news.
00:25:12.000 That's exactly what Bill Barr's doing.
00:25:15.000 And thank goodness for that.
00:25:16.000 That's exactly what the Attorney General and John Durham are doing.
00:25:19.000 They're going to find out why we went through this three-year saga and get to the bottom of it.
00:25:27.000 Clarity and purpose.
00:25:28.000 We're back live.
00:25:29.000 Megan on Facebook says, Jim Jordan is the guy who asks the questions...
00:25:34.000 That lead to more questions.
00:25:36.000 And that is the curiosity that our oversight has largely been lacking under Speaker McCarthy because we would get the subpoenas ready, we would want document requests to go out, we would want people in the witness chair, and there just seemed to be a bottleneck in the Speaker's office where we couldn't get things dislodged and moving and going toward an end that would reveal to the American people what's really going on in this government, affecting them.
00:26:00.000 What's going on with a compromised First family out there selling access and influence to foreigners who want to harm American interests so that they can get rich. 0.71
00:26:12.000 I've been to Jim Jordan's home.
00:26:13.000 I've stayed there.
00:26:14.000 I've stayed the night.
00:26:15.000 This is someone who knows his neighbors.
00:26:18.000 This is someone who, in his own community, people look to for a helping hand, for inspiration.
00:26:24.000 He served in the state legislature before coming to the United States Congress.
00:26:28.000 I did as well, and I think that is really important service to inform how we think about governance.
00:26:34.000 Because so much is broken here in Washington.
00:26:37.000 If you hadn't been in any other Lawmaking or policy or legislative body, you might come here and think this is the only way to do it.
00:26:45.000 But those of us who've come from good legislatures, like Ohio, like Arizona, like Florida, we've seen how budgets get balanced.
00:26:55.000 How the appropriations process can be used, even in a bipartisan way, to ensure that we're doing programmatic review of how your money is being spent.
00:27:06.000 So I think that's really going to inform how Jim Jordan asks questions, maybe not from that dais in the House Judiciary Committee, but maybe in the Speaker's office where we can get some real answers.
00:27:19.000 We had someone today at the meeting where we were debating Jordan's candidacy get up and say well they were concerned and undecided about voting for Jim because they see all this great work that I've been showing you from the Judiciary Committee and they wonder well if Jim's not there are we still going to have the same rigor and the same effort in judiciary and I can I will tell you exactly what I told that congressman with Mike Johnson and Chip Roy and
00:27:49.000 Dan Bishop and yours truly we have got a great team on the House Judiciary Committee and while there is no replacing a Jim Jordan we're going to do everything we can to make sure That we take the lessons we've learned from him about how to ask questions, how to move oversight forward, and we're going to do a good job for you.
00:28:10.000 I can tell you that with a very high confidence level with people like Mike Johnson, like Chip Roy, like Dan Bishop, we've got really, really a great team on that committee, and I look forward to being a part of it and to supporting our leadership there however we can to make sure that Jim's successful and that we're successful, and This committee's got to do really important work just beyond the January 6th tapes.
00:28:33.000 It was a point made by someone on Getter watching the show that it's about the political prisoners.
00:28:38.000 It's not just about the tapes.
00:28:39.000 It's about this wide array of civil rights violation that has occurred, whether it's public defenders who actually wanted their clients to get convicted, whether it's judges who gave draconian, crazy sentences.
00:28:53.000 Or whether it's an FBI that was out there harassing and targeting people who had no intention of ever committing a crime.
00:29:03.000 But in the This morass of just the protests and riots on January 6th may have crossed a line onto federal property that wasn't even marked, that wasn't delineated in any way.
00:29:17.000 So we still think about those folks every day.
00:29:19.000 We have to fight for them.
00:29:20.000 and we have to utilize the Judiciary Committee to deliver outcomes.
00:29:23.000 Process has failed us.
00:29:26.000 Outcomes, deliverables, that is what we all should be judged by.
00:29:30.000 That's what you should judge me by.
00:29:31.000 And I saw we weren't getting those outcomes with McCarthy, so we had to try something different.
00:29:36.000 And I knew we would get better than McCarthy.
00:29:39.000 But if we can move these 55 votes, we're going to do something very special and great for the country.
00:29:48.000 And it was even something President Trump noted, that we're moving in the right direction with Jim Jordan.
00:29:53.000 As we showed you on the program previously, President Trump endorsed Jim Jordan for speaker, and I think for very good reason.
00:30:01.000 And we couldn't possibly end the show without giving you some of the best Jim Jordan moments.
00:30:07.000 And that collection would be incomplete without his questioning of one of the most evil people on the planet Earth, Hillary Clinton.
00:30:15.000 Take a listen.
00:30:18.000 Heavily armed militants assaulted the compound and set fire to our buildings.
00:30:22.000 That's what it says.
00:30:23.000 Secretary Clinton.
00:30:25.000 That's all good, but you said you were trying to communicate to folks all over, all the folks you have around the Middle East, right?
00:30:33.000 Yes, I was trying to send a message, yes.
00:30:35.000 Okay, I got it.
00:30:36.000 But that's not what the experts said.
00:30:38.000 They said, don't conflate the events.
00:30:42.000 Tell the truth about Benghazi.
00:30:44.000 Talk about what happened there.
00:30:46.000 Other places where the video may have had an impact, fine, say that.
00:30:49.000 Why did you put them all together?
00:30:50.000 When you didn't do that privately, when you told your family about Benghazi, it was terrorists killed two of our people.
00:30:57.000 When you talk to the Libyan president, Ansar al-Saria did it, al-Qaeda did it. 0.92
00:31:02.000 When you talk to the Egyptian Prime Minister, we know it's not a film, we know it's not a protest, we know it's not a video, it's a terrorist attack.
00:31:08.000 Well, Congressman, I was working off the information that we had, which was that Ansar al-Sharia claimed responsibility.
00:31:16.000 And at that point, I did say that it was an al-Qaeda Madam Secretary, look at the difference in these two statements.
00:31:29.000 One says it wasn't a pre-planned attack.
00:31:31.000 That's Jay Carney talking publicly.
00:31:33.000 The other one says, from your experts in Libya, says it was a well-planned attack.
00:31:36.000 Now, they could not be further apart.
00:31:39.000 They could not be.
00:31:41.000 That's what I'm having a hard time figuring out.
00:31:44.000 And you know what's interesting?
00:31:45.000 The date of this, 9-14-12, 9-14-12.
00:31:48.000 You know what else happened on the 14th?
00:31:50.000 September 14th?
00:31:51.000 There's another document that's kind of important.
00:31:53.000 That's the same day that Ben Rhodes drafted his talking points memo.
00:31:58.000 Bullet point number two, to underscore that these protests are rooted in an internet video, not a broader failure of policy, because we couldn't have Libya, Mr. Roskam pointed out earlier, we couldn't have that fail.
00:32:13.000 Can't have that.
00:32:13.000 So the same day you got Jay Carney saying, This was no way a pre-planned attack, and the experts in Libya talking Greg Hicks and the Near Eastern Affairs people are saying it was a well-planned attack.
00:32:24.000 That same day, the talking points that get Susan Rice ready for the Sunday shows, make sure you focus on the video, not about a broader policy failure. 0.94
00:32:34.000 After all, we've got an election coming in 50-some days.
00:32:39.000 We are back live.
00:32:40.000 I want to get to some of the questions folks have been posting on our social media platforms.
00:32:44.000 Remember, if you are not subscribed, make sure you're subscribed either on our listening platforms or our viewing platforms, particularly Rumble.
00:32:52.000 And you've got to click the bell on either Rumble or YouTube to ensure that your notifications are turned on because just the very nature of the congressional calendar is such that we don't always go live at the same time.
00:33:02.000 So this is not...
00:33:04.000 Appointment, viewing, you've got to be on notice, ready, so that I can give you the information first.
00:33:09.000 So here's some of the questions people have.
00:33:11.000 First, will the motion to vacate still exist at a one-person threshold?
00:33:16.000 The answer to that question is yes, unless it is changed.
00:33:20.000 Now, a lot of Republicans have come to me and some of my colleagues saying, we want to negotiate an increase in the threshold on the motion to vacate.
00:33:28.000 And I'll tell you this.
00:33:30.000 I'm negotiable if, in exchange for increasing the threshold for maybe one person to three people or five people or more, we get other ethics reforms for accountability over the United States Congress.
00:33:44.000 I've partnered with Democrat Ro Khanna to lay out some of those reforms.
00:33:48.000 They include a ban on congressional stock trading, a ban on taking money from lobbyists and political action committees, a lifetime ban on members of Congress from becoming registered lobbyists or registered foreign agents, If we did those things, if we did all of them, if we did some combination of them, I really believe that your interests would not be left aside as people are valeting for the special interests and putting their needs first.
00:34:14.000 I really think that would be important.
00:34:16.000 So right now, if there's no change, Merely the replacement of McCarthy with Jordan would not change the motion to vacate threshold.
00:34:25.000 There may be an effort to change it.
00:34:27.000 I will only change it if I get substantial accountability and ethics reforms over Congress.
00:34:33.000 Would love your feedback on that.
00:34:35.000 If you've got other ethics ideas that ought to apply to members of Congress, leave them in the comments.
00:34:40.000 Send me a direct message.
00:34:41.000 Let me know what you're thinking on it.
00:34:43.000 Next question.
00:34:45.000 You guys want to know exactly the 55 names.
00:34:48.000 Someone says, I want to know the 55 names so that I can start working the phones to get these folks to vote for Jim Jordan.
00:34:53.000 Now, some of these 55 have self-identified.
00:34:57.000 We showed you Congressman John Rutherford, Republican from the Sunshine State of Florida, who said he right now will not vote for Jim Jordan.
00:35:04.000 He will vote for Kevin McCarthy in order to spite me.
00:35:07.000 But this was a secret ballot.
00:35:09.000 And there was a push among some in the room to say, we want a roll call.
00:35:12.000 We want to know who the 55 are.
00:35:15.000 And Jim Jordan said, let's not do that right here, right now.
00:35:20.000 If you're part of the 55, I want you to come to me. 1.00
00:35:23.000 I want to set up a conversation.
00:35:25.000 I want to set up some small group meetings.
00:35:27.000 I want to hear you out.
00:35:28.000 I don't want to put you on blast.
00:35:29.000 So I think there might have been some sense on the part of Jim Jordan that if we were to have like a public flogging of these people politically, that that could harden their Resistance to his candidacy rather than being more accommodating to hearing him out.
00:35:45.000 What he wants to do and where he wants to take the conference.
00:35:47.000 So I think that is very important.
00:35:50.000 And here's the thing.
00:35:51.000 One way or the other, you're going to know these names.
00:35:53.000 Because either Monday or Tuesday, depending on the progress Jim makes, we're going to the floor.
00:35:58.000 And we're taking these votes.
00:36:00.000 And it ain't going to be 55 at that time.
00:36:02.000 I think it'll be considerably lower.
00:36:04.000 And I think we'll be successful in getting Jim over the line.
00:36:08.000 Another question about the border.
00:36:10.000 Are we going to have a speaker who cares about the border?
00:36:13.000 I'll tell you this.
00:36:14.000 We just removed one who gave it a lot of lip service, but didn't do what was necessary.
00:36:21.000 We've got to tie border policies to the budget.
00:36:24.000 You cannot give the Biden administration an endless amount of debt that they can accrue, continuing resolutions, without forcing a closure of the border.
00:36:35.000 So it's a point of leverage.
00:36:37.000 On the Judiciary Committee, we have subject matter jurisdiction over this question.
00:36:42.000 And so I think Jim Jordan is uniquely poised to be able to bring this together.
00:36:46.000 HR2, our very best border bill that we passed and the Senate won't take up, And one of the principal architects of that bill was Jim Jordan.
00:36:54.000 So I think he's going to be great for us on the border.
00:36:56.000 And I got to say, there is a little nostalgia on the live stream for the Speaker Trump talk.
00:37:02.000 So let's just address that.
00:37:04.000 Some of you have said you really wanted to see President Trump or you really wanted to see me as a candidate for Speaker.
00:37:10.000 In our last episode, we went over the prospect of a Trump candidacy, the prospect of a Gates candidacy.
00:37:17.000 I went over why those things were less likely than the candidacy of someone like a Jim Jordan or a Steve Scalise.
00:37:24.000 Steve Scalise has now withdrawn.
00:37:26.000 He has backed Jim Jordan.
00:37:29.000 And it looks like we've really got the wind at our back.
00:37:31.000 Now, there's more to do.
00:37:33.000 My homework assignment for everybody watching Firebrand, listening to Firebrand, Keep your eyes out for folks who share the position of Congressman John Rutherford of Florida that they refuse to vote for Jim Jordan in a nice, polite, appropriate way.
00:37:47.000 I want you to encourage them to back Jordan and I trust you to be able to do it.
00:37:52.000 I trust all of us because we are the only institution in the U.S. government right now in the House of Representatives that Republicans can rely on to fight.
00:38:03.000 And I couldn't come to work here every day not fighting for you.
00:38:07.000 And Kevin McCarthy got in the way of that.
00:38:10.000 And I think we can do better.
00:38:11.000 On Rumble, Jax says that he used to believe in me, but not anymore because he does not think that Jim Jordan does anything but talk about stuff.
00:38:22.000 I could understand that perspective.
00:38:25.000 But here's what you should know.
00:38:26.000 Here's what you don't see.
00:38:28.000 All of the work we do to try to get subpoenas, to try to get accountability, to try to get Hunter Biden the witness chair, I believe, based on my experience on the Judiciary Committee, that the principal logjam for that was in the House Counsel's office and in the Speaker's office.
00:38:43.000 So Jim Jordan's efficacy was limited by Kevin McCarthy.
00:38:49.000 And with Jim in the Speaker's office, I think we're going to have a green light to get the facts, expose the truth, cut off the money to the corrupt entities in our government, and put downward pressure on spending.
00:39:02.000 So this is participatory.
00:39:03.000 You have a say in this.
00:39:05.000 You have agency in it.
00:39:06.000 I'm counting on you to get on the phone lines, to get on the internet, and do everything you can to help me elect Jim Jordan, the 56th Speaker of the House.
00:39:15.000 Thank you all so much.
00:39:16.000 Thank you for your support.
00:39:18.000 Look forward to chatting soon.
00:39:19.000 Roll the credits.