Firebrand - Matt Gaetz - Episode 145 LIVE: Who Is The J6 Pipe Bomber? (feat. Rep. Thomas Massie) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

On January 6th, a second pipe bomb was discovered in front of the Democratic National Committee building in Washington, D.C. by a passer-by. The FBI has not been able to identify the identity of the person who found the bomb, or how they came to be involved in the discovery. On January 8th, the FBI Director Ray LaHood and the Director of the Metropolitan Police Department, Thomas McInerny, came on the show on Firebrand to talk about what they have found and why they think someone else could have been responsible for the second bomb. They also discuss the lack of indictments in the case and whether or not the FBI should have been more aggressive in their investigation. Firebrand is a production of Native Creative Podcasts. New episodes released every Monday morning, 7 a.m. Eastern. Subscribe and comment to stay up to date on all things Native Creative. Learn more about your ad choices. Become a supporter of our sponsor: Rate/subscribe in Apple Podcasts! Rate, review and subscribe to our new podcast, Firebrand! and leave us a rating and review in iTunes! Thank you for listening and reviewing this episode! and share it with a friend! Timestamps: 0:00 - What do you think of this episode? 1:20 - What would you like to see in the future episodes of Firebrand? 2:15 - How do you feel about this podcast? 3: 4:30 - What are your thoughts on the case? 5:40 - What kind of evidence would you d? 6:10 - What's your favorite weapon? 7:00 8: Which weapon should I use? 9:00 -- Which weapon is your favorite? 11:30 -- What are you looking for? 12:00 | Which weapon do you use to make the most effective tool? 13:40 -- What does your favorite target? 14:30 15:10 -- What s your favorite piece of evidence? 16:40 17: What is your biggest takeaway from this episode would you would you use for the most important piece of information you're looking for in the most authentic piece of media piece? -- Which is the most likely to make a better than the most valuable piece of your most authentic experience? 15th? 18:20 -- What is the worst thing you re looking at?

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:04:29.000 of the House of Representatives.

00:04:53.000 You're not taking Matt Gaetz off the board, okay?

00:04:56.000 Because Matt Gaetz is an American patriot and Matt Gaetz is an American hero.

00:05:00.000 We will not continue to allow the Uniparty to run this town without a fight. 1.00

00:05:06.000 I want to thank you, Matt Gates, for holding the line.

00:05:10.000 Matt Gates is a courageous man.

00:05:12.000 If we had hundreds of Matt Gates in D.C., the country turns around.

00:05:17.000 It's that simple.

00:05:17.000 He's so tough, he's so strong, he's smart, and he loves this country.

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00:05:35.000 - Can you tell us how the second pipe bomb was found at the DNC?

00:05:44.000 - Again, I'm not gonna get into that here.

00:05:46.000 900 days ago is when this happened, and you said you had total confidence we'd apprehend the subject.

00:05:53.000 We've found video that looks like somebody, a passerby, miraculously found this pipe bomb At the DNC and then notified the police.

00:06:02.000 Miraculously, I say, because it was specifically the same, the precise time to cause the maximum distraction from the events going on at the Capitol.

00:06:10.000 Can you show this video that we have, please?

00:06:13.000 I'd like to know if the director has seen this.

00:06:15.000 This is somebody with a mask on, wearing a hat.

00:06:19.000 They're walking in front of the DNC, which is out of the view on the right-hand side.

00:06:23.000 You'll see him come into view.

00:06:25.000 He goes to one police car.

00:06:26.000 He goes to another police car.

00:06:28.000 He's holding a backpack.

00:06:29.000 He's got a mask on.

00:06:30.000 He's talking to the police.

00:06:31.000 And within a minute, they start scrambling.

00:06:34.000 You'll see the camera turn to the pipe bomb, the location of the pipe bomb.

00:06:39.000 By the way, that's, I believe, the Metro Police are now getting out of their car.

00:06:42.000 And that's Vice President-Elect's detail in the black SUV, I believe.

00:06:48.000 Parked about 30 feet from the pipe bomb, eating lunch.

00:06:52.000 Okay, now we go over to the location of the pipe bomb.

00:06:55.000 The cameras are scrambling.

00:06:57.000 It appears to me that that's not a coincidence, that the person with the backpack who walked by that bench and then went up to the police and the detail didn't do that accidentally.

00:07:12.000 They had a purpose in mind and then what transpired after that was the result of information that person gave to them.

00:07:18.000 If that person found the pipe bomb, would they be a suspect?

00:07:24.000 Well, again, I don't want to speculate about specific individuals.

00:07:27.000 I will tell you that we have done thousands of interviews, reviewed something like 40,000 video files, of which this is one, assessed 500-something tips.

00:07:40.000 Have you interviewed that person?

00:07:42.000 We have conducted all logical investigative steps and interviewed all logical individuals at this point.

00:07:48.000 It's 900 days.

00:07:50.000 You need to tell us what you found.

00:07:52.000 Because we're finding stuff you haven't released into the public.

00:07:57.000 We are live.

00:07:58.000 That was Kentucky's Thomas Massey.

00:08:01.000 He joins us now on Firebrand.

00:08:03.000 You asked Director Ray these questions about the person who found the pipe bomb because you believe that that could tell us more about this really exquisite event on January 6th that was unlike anything else that happened on January 6th.

00:08:16.000 There were no weapons that were found on people that were around the Capitol.

00:08:21.000 But before we get into...

00:08:23.000 This person who found the pipe bomb, the work of your staff above and beyond to go and ascertain these video movements.

00:08:30.000 Just for a moment, talk about the significance of the pipe bomb in the overall January 6th narrative and how it's been used against people.

00:08:39.000 Well, I mean, the narrative they're trying to push is this was an insurrection.

00:08:42.000 The problem is there were no weapons.

00:08:45.000 You would think to bring a weapon to an insurrection, but the only weapons there were were weapons of mass destruction, these two pipe bombs, right?

00:08:53.000 It heightens basically the chances that you're going to get indicted.

00:08:57.000 These pipe bombs are mentioned in the statements to indict people.

00:09:01.000 It brings up the overall tenor Of what was going on that day.

00:09:06.000 And so it's significant if these were real or not.

00:09:09.000 And there are theories on why they were there.

00:09:13.000 Were they diversions?

00:09:14.000 Who wanted a diversion?

00:09:15.000 Who wanted to make it easier to get into the Capitol that day?

00:09:19.000 And when the government wanted to have higher criminal acuity and charging documents, the pipe bombs were referenced, even probably factoring into the sentencing decisions of some judges for people that were blocks away and had nothing to do with these pipe bombs.

00:09:33.000 So you have been like a dog on a bone.

00:09:35.000 You've been questioning the director of the FBI and others about Yeah, it looks identical to the training pipe bombs they build or train with that the FBI uses.

00:09:59.000 So I just want to draw a fine point on it.

00:10:02.000 The very type style function that the FBI trains on is substantially similar to what was found.

00:10:08.000 Right down to the 60 minute kitchen timer.

00:10:11.000 Now here's the problem with the 60 minute kitchen timer on these bombs.

00:10:14.000 Both of them had identical 60 minute kitchen timers.

00:10:18.000 The FBI claims that these bombs were placed 17 hours before they were discovered.

00:10:23.000 And so that begs the question that I asked the assistant director in charge of Washington, D.C. field office, because he still claims, they all still claim these were viable pipe bombs.

00:10:34.000 I said, how does a 60-minute kitchen timer set off a bomb 17 hours later?

00:10:41.000 And he said, it can't, it won't, it doesn't.

00:10:44.000 Right, so they essentially set a 17-hour fuse with a timer that was only an hour.

00:10:52.000 Right, because I guess the training manual only shows you how to build one with a kitchen timer on it.

00:10:57.000 So your staff then goes to look at the video, and you send your team to look at the different angles, and you come up with what we're showing on the screen now.

00:11:08.000 And you see a very specific person who ends up finding this pipe bomb and ends up reporting it.

00:11:16.000 Was there anything about these behaviors you're seeing that immediately piqued your curiosity?

00:11:21.000 Well, first of all, the lackadaisical response To the notification that there's a bomb nearby.

00:11:29.000 In that video that I showed Christopher Wray, we had to speed it up and take out parts of it to get all that done in a testimony because they mill about, they finish their lunch in their cars after the guy with the backpack Comes up and says, hey, there's a bomb over here.

00:11:46.000 They sit in their cars eating lunch for a while.

00:11:50.000 It looks like the Secret Service had got in the MPD car and was having lunch with them.

00:11:58.000 And it takes about four minutes for them to get out.

00:12:01.000 By the way, in the meantime, there are school children walking past what they've been told is a bomb sitting there.

00:12:07.000 So you're immediately taking note of the lack of sense of urgency around this...

00:12:14.000 You know, belief that an explodable bomb has been discovered.

00:12:18.000 Right.

00:12:18.000 And then one other thing, Matt, you know, when I first saw the video, we didn't have as much information as we have now.

00:12:25.000 We've got more information.

00:12:27.000 My first thought is, who is that person who found the bomb?

00:12:30.000 Like, because...

00:12:31.000 And I asked Dan Tuano in a transcribed interview, wouldn't that be a suspect?

00:12:36.000 And he said, that's Investigation 101. Dan Tuano is the Assistant Director in Charge of Washington, D.C. Field Office.

00:12:42.000 The guy in charge of this investigation for two years.

00:12:45.000 And so you recently met with Capitol Police?

00:12:49.000 Correct.

00:12:50.000 Today.

00:12:51.000 And what did you learn in that meeting?

00:12:53.000 I learned that backpack guy, January 6th backpack guy, not to be confused with January 5th backpack person, backpack guy was a non-uniform, you know, plainclothes police officer in You know, in the employ of the Capitol Hill Police.

00:13:15.000 The person who found the pipe bomb, the person who, D'Antuano, who was leading the investigation, say, oh yeah, the person who found it, it'd be Investigation 101 that they would be a suspect initially, until ruled out.

00:13:28.000 You're saying that person was an undercover, plainclothes Capitol Police officer, and the Capitol Police confirmed that to you today?

00:13:36.000 They confirmed that to me today, yes.

00:13:40.000 By the way, what does that mean to you?

00:13:43.000 Well, it heightens some of my concerns and reduces some of the other concerns.

00:13:50.000 One of the concerns that's heightened was trying to give the Secret Service and the Metro Police Department the benefit of the doubt when they took four minutes.

00:14:00.000 They finished their lunch before they went and dealt with this pipe bomb.

00:14:04.000 I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt and think that Well, if it's just some random passerby and he said, hey, there's something shiny over there, could be a lawn sprinkler, you know, not sure, maybe you want to check it out.

00:14:15.000 But that's not what it was.

00:14:16.000 It was a person who was, you know, they say, again, when I relate this to you, I'm relating what the Capitol Police have told me.

00:14:25.000 They say it was a Capitol Police officer who found this bomb and that he told them it was a bomb.

00:14:32.000 And he radioed it in, said, We've got the device.

00:14:36.000 We found another device.

00:14:39.000 Remember, here's the other just amazing timing, is that the first pipe bomb, the one at the Capitol Hill Club, now they call it the RNC pipe bomb, but they really should be calling it the Capitol Hill pipe bomb.

00:14:51.000 I mean, the two buildings are next to each other, but it was like...

00:14:56.000 The Capitol Hill Club, which is an entity where Republican members of Congress socialize and fundraise.

00:15:02.000 Right.

00:15:03.000 The reason I'm making that distinction is Darren Beattie, who's done amazing work on this.

00:15:09.000 He's the guy who's said, hey, you should be asking some of these questions.

00:15:12.000 And I said, you know what?

00:15:13.000 You're right.

00:15:14.000 I will be asking those questions.

00:15:15.000 He points out that the RNC-DNC narrative was made up after the fact.

00:15:22.000 It was really the Capitol Hill Club DNC narrative that they should be talking about, but it just sounds a lot better that, oh, we knew to go look at the DNC once we found one at the RNC. Interesting.

00:15:33.000 Well, if you thought somebody was going to blow up the RNC, don't they hate Republicans?

00:15:37.000 Why would they also want to blow up?

00:15:38.000 Anyways.

00:15:40.000 So, you know, they come down.

00:15:44.000 This plainclothes police officer who had been in the vicinity of that one, they had just found that.

00:15:49.000 The timing is remarkable because...

00:15:52.000 It was found five minutes before the breach of the bicycle racks at the perimeter of the Capitol.

00:15:58.000 Just a miraculous timing that would have provided exactly the right timing to distract.

00:16:05.000 After sitting in an alley for 17 hours, found by somebody who says she was going to go do her laundry, then within...

00:16:16.000 They respond to that.

00:16:17.000 They secure the area.

00:16:19.000 And 15 minutes later, they find this other bomb.

00:16:22.000 Like, what miraculous timing.

00:16:24.000 Well, I definitely don't believe...

00:16:27.000 That the Capitol Police would purposefully go and set a bomb anywhere that could potentially blow up and do anyone harm.

00:16:34.000 I am not there that they would do something like that.

00:16:37.000 However, you seem to point out in questioning with the ATF director that this wasn't an operational bomb that was going to blow up and hurt anybody.

00:16:45.000 Remember that?

00:16:45.000 Right.

00:16:46.000 The assistant director in charge, he went on TV and said these were operable bombs and offered a reward, put out a message that they played on TV. And so in the beginning of my transcribed interview with him, he still maintained that they were operable.

00:17:02.000 Well, hold on.

00:17:02.000 We're going to get the ATF director's take on that.

00:17:05.000 Questioning from Congressman Massey.

00:17:06.000 Take a listen.

00:17:09.000 Also, I see that you're cooperating with the FBI. The ATF is on the January 6th pipe bomb investigation.

00:17:15.000 What can you tell us about how that's going?

00:17:20.000 Obviously, that's a significant matter.

00:17:22.000 It is an ongoing criminal investigation, and so I'm not going to comment on an ongoing criminal investigation.

00:17:27.000 Were those pipe bombs operable? 0.62

00:17:29.000 Again, again.

00:17:31.000 The ATF is the expert.

00:17:33.000 Again, it's an ongoing criminal investigation, and under long-standing policy, I cannot comment.

00:17:38.000 And we've just had a whole committee for two years that investigated an ongoing investigation, so I'm not accepting that answer from you.

00:17:45.000 We need to know these things.

00:17:47.000 Do you know how the pipe bomb was discovered at the DNC? We've been told how it was discovered at the RNC. And according to a press release from the FBI, you're working with them on this investigation.

00:17:58.000 Respectfully, I understand your disagreement, but I cannot comment because it is an ongoing criminal investigation.

00:18:05.000 It's an ongoing cover-up.

00:18:07.000 So helpful!

00:18:08.000 It's their policy not to comment on ongoing cover-ups.

00:18:11.000 Yeah, it seems like it.

00:18:14.000 Here's what I've come to know since that interview, too.

00:18:18.000 You chase some leads.

00:18:20.000 I believe, based on discussions with police, with FBI, and with former ATF, who now works for Capitol Police, that the bombs went to Quantico for inspection, not to the ATF. Now, he could have just told me that in the hearing, right?

00:18:38.000 Oh, interesting.

00:18:39.000 He could have said, well, we didn't look at the fragments after we blew these things up.

00:18:43.000 It was actually FBI, Quantico looked at them.

00:18:46.000 But he wouldn't even tell me that.

00:18:48.000 So he either doesn't know it or just is so stuck on it like a broken record on our longstanding...

00:18:54.000 Policy not to comment.

00:18:55.000 So we're in this meeting last night and one of our Republican colleagues turns to you as you're explaining how long it's been that this has been an open investigation.

00:19:03.000 These videos that show the strange behavior of a person we now know was a plainclothes Capitol Police officer.

00:19:10.000 And one of our Republican colleagues kept pressing you and saying, but Thomas, why would they do this?

00:19:14.000 Why would anyone try to How do you plant these phony, fake devices in order to create confusion that day?

00:19:24.000 And, you know, we don't know the answer to that question in all honesty.

00:19:28.000 Do you have a working theory?

00:19:29.000 Yeah, well, again, I don't know who did it, but I can tell you a consequence of this.

00:19:35.000 Because this is buried in the back of the January 6th committee report that...

00:19:41.000 There was a call to bring more bike racks to the Capitol.

00:19:45.000 They had hundreds of them loaded up, ready to bring to the Capitol to reinforce the Capitol.

00:19:51.000 And it turns out those never made it because this DNC pipe bomb was discovered and they set up a perimeter and blocked them from coming.

00:19:59.000 So if there was a booby trap intended to have people commit a technical violation of federal criminal law with no intent to break the law, that was facilitated perhaps by the very interestingly timed discovery of these two devices.

00:20:18.000 Yeah, whether there was intent or not, the result of this, according to the January 6th committee, Was that it made it easier to breach the Capitol because the reinforcements couldn't be brought to the Capitol.

00:20:30.000 There's a report in the Daily Wire.

00:20:32.000 I don't know quite what to make of it.

00:20:34.000 It says, FBI tied January 6th pipe bomber to MetroCard of ex-government official but blocked interview of him, former agent says.

00:20:43.000 This former agent, Kyle Serafin, very outspoken, has been someone who's facilitated other whistleblower testimony and the head The lead here is a former FBI agent says the Bureau quickly believed that it tied the person who planted the pipe bombs at the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee to a particular Metro fare card and license plate but did not allow him to interview the person of interest and pulled his team off the lead.

00:21:10.000 When you hear that, again, any claim that we see has to be corroborated, investigated, reviewed, but what's your reaction to a former FBI agent saying when they had more questions, when there were leads, that there was an impairment to that factual development?

00:21:27.000 It's all fishy.

00:21:28.000 I mean, I'm sure they had several leads.

00:21:31.000 Why they decided not to pursue that one, I don't know.

00:21:34.000 But let's talk about why they don't have this person in custody right now and why they're not sure.

00:21:41.000 I asked Antwano in this transcribed interview, what about the cell phone data?

00:21:48.000 Because...

00:21:49.000 D'Antuano, and this is the narrative that the FBI has put out there, is that the night before, somebody walking around past the DNC and the Capitol Hill Club slash RNC alleyway, they say that person planted those bombs the night before, walking around.

00:22:05.000 Now, we don't actually have video of that person placing the pipe bomb.

00:22:10.000 We have video of that person walking around the neighborhood with a backpack.

00:22:14.000 And sitting on the bench where it was found and reaching down.

00:22:17.000 But the camera angles, which we believe they should have at the DNC that would show the placement of that pipe bob, have never been released.

00:22:25.000 But we know that camera angle exists because they released a still frame of it.

00:22:29.000 But they haven't released that.

00:22:31.000 Anyways, I'm going through all that just to get to this point of what I asked Antwano.

00:22:36.000 We saw that person on January 5th use their cell phone a couple times.

00:22:41.000 Did you geofence that area and use that to find the person?

00:22:47.000 And Dan Tuano, I want to...

00:22:49.000 I probably should read this, right?

00:22:50.000 So I don't get it wrong because we've got this right here.

00:22:54.000 Oh heck, I'll just tell you.

00:22:56.000 He said that the...

00:22:59.000 Let me see if I can find it.

00:23:04.000 It's in there somewhere.

00:23:05.000 I'll just tell you what he said and then people can look it up later.

00:23:08.000 You'll put it on your site.

00:23:09.000 Sure.

00:23:10.000 He said that he didn't want to start any conspiracy theories.

00:23:13.000 He used the word conspiracy theory, but that the cell phone data for one of the providers was corrupted that night in that location.

00:23:21.000 Oh, what a coinkydink. 1.00

00:23:24.000 And not all cell phone data, but cell phone data for one provider, and they suspect that provider.

00:23:29.000 And by the way, cell phone data was used in prosecutions of January 6th defendants quite frequently.

00:23:36.000 So in the geofenced area, there's a whole lot of cell phone data applicability, but then it turns out...

00:23:44.000 Just in the instance of this suspected pipe bomb planter, the cell phone data is corrupted.

00:23:51.000 But we don't want to start any conspiracy theories.

00:23:54.000 No, he didn't want to either.

00:23:56.000 So you have been the leading investigator on this.

00:23:59.000 What are you going to evaluate?

00:24:02.000 Today you broke major news here that this person was Capitol Police.

00:24:06.000 Lay it on us.

00:24:07.000 Okay.

00:24:08.000 The Secret Service, now this may already be in public knowledge, and you may have already covered this, but I confirmed it today, that after five preservation requests, the Secret Service deleted all their cell phone texts for that day and destroyed the phones.

00:24:31.000 Yeah, we had seen those reports, and the January 6th committee tried to act as though that was some effort to cover up reactions to Trump's behavior.

00:24:43.000 Right, it's been covered in that context, right?

00:24:46.000 Whether the Secret Service were wrestling or something.

00:24:51.000 Somewhat of a fantastical story.

00:24:53.000 Right, a crazy story.

00:24:55.000 It's all been in that context.

00:24:58.000 But regardless of that context, in this context, it means we don't know what they were saying to each other when they had Kamala Harris.

00:25:06.000 By the way, it took nine minutes to get Kamala Harris alerted and out of the building after they knew the bomb was there. 0.64

00:25:15.000 Like...

00:25:16.000 Matt?

00:25:17.000 Yeah, there's no way that if they believed there was actually an explosive device, they would have left the incoming Vice President of the United States in a building.

00:25:27.000 What if you hired somebody to be responsible for your health and well-being, and those people found out there was a pipe bomb between you and them, but they wanted to finish their lunch, Before they got out of the car, and then they let some school kids walk by this pipe, Bob.

00:25:45.000 And then they thought to get you out of there five minutes after that.

00:25:51.000 Like, okay, there's a bomb, and I'm supposed to keep the incoming vice president from being hurt, but this is a really good McDouble.

00:26:00.000 And they just nailed it on this McDouble, and I just can't let this one sit and go cold.

00:26:08.000 That seems to be what happened there.

00:26:10.000 Who is the witness that you would want to interview next, have before our committee next?

00:26:16.000 What is the next kind of round of document demands or video demands that you think advance this investigation?

00:26:24.000 Well, I don't want to...

00:26:27.000 Matt, I have an ongoing congressional investigation.

00:26:31.000 But seriously, there are some obvious leads to follow up here.

00:26:37.000 We need to ask, for instance, the cell phone providers.

00:26:41.000 Now, the FBI won't give us their communication with the cell phone providers.

00:26:45.000 But if you're a cell phone provider and you're watching Matt Gaetz's podcast here, consider this as a preservation notification that we need to ask those cell phone providers for their communication with the FBI. Like, the FBI is telling us the dog ate their homework.

00:27:02.000 I want to go talk to the dog that ate the homework.

00:27:05.000 Did you eat this homework?

00:27:06.000 At what point did you tell the FBI that you had eaten their homework?

00:27:10.000 You know, i.e.

00:27:11.000 the cell phone data was corrupted.

00:27:13.000 Like, that is...

00:27:15.000 Anything, anywhere what the FBI is doing or anybody else touches something that's outside of the FBI, we need to go corroborate that.

00:27:24.000 So this cell phone data, that's something, an artifact that we can go corroborate.

00:27:30.000 Talking to the Capitol Police like I did today, that is something that we can corroborate.

00:27:35.000 I haven't actually talked to a backpack person yet.

00:27:39.000 I want to talk to that person.

00:27:43.000 I do believe that that person was a Capitol Hill police officer based on what these other Capitol Hill police told me today.

00:27:50.000 Isn't that the next key witness?

00:27:52.000 Now that we know that it was a plainclothes Capitol police officer who found the pipe bomb, we have to get a transcribed interview of that individual, right?

00:28:01.000 I mean, we have to.

00:28:03.000 I think that person...

00:28:05.000 Well, those people gave statements to the FBI. We need to look at those statements.

00:28:11.000 There are a lot of places you can go with this.

00:28:13.000 Some things...

00:28:17.000 Some suspicions will be shut down and others may be heightened.

00:28:22.000 And we just, like you say, go where the facts lead you.

00:28:25.000 Amen.

00:28:25.000 All right.

00:28:25.000 I want to get your take on just a couple of the things that are in the news right now.

00:28:29.000 Senator Wyden released documents confirming that the NSA is buying Americans' internet browsing records.

00:28:35.000 He's called on the intelligence community to stop buying data that is obtained around the Fourth Amendment.

00:28:41.000 You and I have worked on the Fourth Amendment is not for sale acts to try to stop the government from doing an end run around people's rights to buy commercially available data.

00:28:50.000 I consider this a really strong piece of evidence in support of those legislative efforts.

00:28:54.000 Why don't you have the chance to react to it?

00:28:57.000 Well, I mean, give them credit.

00:28:59.000 They're taking the easiest route to invade our privacy.

00:29:01.000 Just go buy it.

00:29:06.000 I mean, it's disappointing.

00:29:10.000 When people see you're getting chat scrolling by here on your screen, the one thing I hear most frequently is, what are you going to do about it?

00:29:19.000 What are you going to do about it?

00:29:21.000 Quit tweeting about it.

00:29:22.000 Quit going on Matt's podcast.

00:29:24.000 Stop talking about it.

00:29:25.000 Do something.

00:29:25.000 We've got the bill to stop this.

00:29:29.000 The Fourth Amendment is Not-for-Sale Act. 0.68

00:29:31.000 I think, is Warren Davidson the sponsor of that, and we're co-sponsors of it?

00:29:36.000 Yeah, great congressman.

00:29:37.000 Yeah, from Ohio.

00:29:38.000 So, that was part of our FISA reform package that got thrown in the trash when FISA was expiring in December that should have been put on the floor.

00:29:50.000 But it was not.

00:29:51.000 And so, you know, FISA didn't get fully reauthorized.

00:29:55.000 They punted it for a while.

00:29:56.000 They kicked the can down the road.

00:29:58.000 But that legislation needs to be in place to stop this.

00:30:01.000 And some of our colleagues on the intelligence community are actually wanting to expand surveillance authorities.

00:30:06.000 They want enhanced authorities to be able to soak up information that they collect on public Wi-Fi.

00:30:12.000 And I think when you see the abuses that are existing and the end run around the Fourth Amendment, it should give us grave cause for concern.

00:30:18.000 This week they're hammering out the details on this tax extender bill.

00:30:22.000 I've got grave concerns about that bill.

00:30:24.000 I would not vote for it as I see it now.

00:30:27.000 What's the Thomas Massey take on where we are on the tax bill?

00:30:29.000 The Thomas Massey take is when you give people tax money back that they didn't pay in, That's called welfare.

00:30:35.000 This is a welfare expansion.

00:30:37.000 I think they call them refundable tax credits.

00:30:41.000 It's just a giveaway.

00:30:42.000 It's welfare.

00:30:45.000 When you give people tax money back that they didn't pay in, those are cash payments.

00:30:53.000 Why would we put cash payments?

00:30:55.000 How does that fix anything that's wrong in this country to give people cash payments for having kids?

00:31:02.000 I can't imagine it's going to advance our economic interests and probably won't help us from a debt standpoint.

00:31:07.000 He's the smartest member of Congress.

00:31:09.000 He's been the most dogged on the January 6th pipe bomb investigation and many other investigations.

00:31:14.000 Thank you for joining me again on Firebrand Thomas.

00:31:16.000 Thank you Matt.

00:31:17.000 Roll the credits.

Firebrand - Matt Gaetz - January 30, 2024

Episode 145 LIVE: Who Is The J6 Pipe Bomber? (feat. Rep. Thomas Massie) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

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