Firebrand - Matt Gaetz - February 22, 2024


Episode 154 LIVE: Hunting Hunter (feat. Clint Lancaster) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

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Clint Lancaster
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Hunter Biden Clint Lancaster Byron Pineda Kelly Wong Robin Voss Joe Biden Burisma Trump George Mazzeer Mike Johnson Ron DeSantis D.C. Reeves Bob Good Melissa Melanie Zanona Kathy McMorris-Rogers Michael Gableman Janelle Branchin Josh Gottheimer Carlos Jimenez and 17 more
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A new piece from CNN's Melanie Zenona looks at why so many name brand Republicans are stepping down, even if it means more chaos in Congress. She's joined by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-GA) and Annie Greer (D-VA) to talk about why this is happening and what it means for the future of the Republican Party and the country. Plus, a look at why a growing number of senior Republican members of Congress are leaving, and why it could have a big impact on the upcoming mid-term elections. And, a special guest on the show talks about why the border crisis is so bad and why we should all be worried about it. Firebrand is a production of the Firebrand Podcast Network. New episodes of Firebrand air every Tuesday morning. Subscribe to our new podcast Firebrand on iTunes and leave us a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and other podcasting platforms. Thanks for listening and share the podcast with your fellow Firebrand listeners! Timestamps: 1:00:00 - Why so many high profile Republicans are leaving the party? 2:30 - Why is this happening? 3:15 - What role of Bob Good in Congress? 4:20 - Is this a good or bad thing? 5:40 - Who will replace Bob Good? 6:00 7:10 - Is it worth it? 8:30 9:10 11:40 What are you waiting for? 12:15 13: Is this problem bigger than a problem? 15: What are we going to fix? 16:00 | Is this country better than this country? 17:30 | Is it better than that? 18:40 | Can we fix the border? 19:10 | Is there a solution? 21: Is it possible to fix the problem we can fix it better? 22:00 + 17:20 | Is the country better now? 25:20 26:30 Is this deal better than it can we fix it ? 27:30 // 27:15 | Are you ready for a better than we can change the problem or do we have a better or not? 30:00 Is it really? 35:00 Do we really have a problem or a problem we need to fix it?? 36:00 Are we done? Or do we need a better country ?

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00:00:00.000 Thank you.
00:01:58.000 You're not taking Matt Gaetz off the board, okay?
00:02:01.000 Because Matt Gaetz is an American patriot and Matt Gaetz is an American hero.
00:02:06.000 We will not continue to allow the Uniparty to run this town without a fight. 1.00
00:02:11.000 I want to thank you, Matt Gates, for holding the line.
00:02:15.000 Matt Gates is a courageous man.
00:02:17.000 If we had hundreds of Matt Gates in D.C., the country turns around.
00:02:22.000 It's that simple.
00:02:23.000 He's so tough, he's so strong, he's smart, and he loves this country.
00:02:27.000 Matt Gates.
00:02:28.000 Wow!
00:02:29.000 It is the honor of my life to fight alongside each and every one of you.
00:02:34.000 We will save America!
00:02:36.000 It's choose your fighter time!
00:02:38.000 I'm sending the firebrands. 1.00
00:02:46.000 Is it worth it?
00:02:47.000 More and more high profile Republicans are asking themselves that question and deciding the answer is no.
00:02:52.000 CNN's Melanie Zenona out today with a new piece looking at why so many name brand Republicans are just heading, running even for the exit smell. 0.97
00:03:00.000 She joins us now.
00:03:02.000 What's the consensus about why this is happening?
00:03:05.000 Well, of course, there are a lot of factors that go into a decision like this.
00:03:08.000 It's a very personal decision.
00:03:10.000 Some lawmakers cited family reasons.
00:03:12.000 Others are running for higher office.
00:03:13.000 But one thing that me and my colleague Annie Greer really picked up on was that there is an overwhelming amount of frustration right now with just how dysfunctional the House, particularly the House Republican conference, has been, from all of the chaotic speaker drama to even just the struggle to pass basic procedural votes on the floor.
00:03:32.000 Just take a look What some members told us on the record here, Ken Buck, one of those members retiring, said, we're not doing serious things.
00:03:38.000 Carlos Jimenez told us, I thought that some of our members would be smarter.
00:03:42.000 Steve Womack, we are fractured.
00:03:44.000 And Don Bacon told me, when you have folks on your own team with their knives out, It makes it less enjoyable.
00:03:49.000 And, you know, it's not just the number of Republicans who are retiring.
00:03:53.000 It is the caliber of the people who are deciding to call it quicks.
00:03:56.000 There are five committee chairmen, chairwomen and chairmen, who are deciding to retire, and that includes Kathy McMorris-Rogers.
00:04:03.000 She is not even term-limited yet on her top post on the Energy and Commerce Committee.
00:04:08.000 That's a very powerful position that some members work their entire careers to achieve.
00:04:13.000 And then also Mike Gallagher.
00:04:14.000 He's only 39 years old and he was once seen as a rising star in the GOP. So there is a lot of concern right now about a brain drain as these senior members decide to leave and take all of their institutional knowledge with them.
00:04:25.000 And there's also concern about what this means for the governing wing of the GOP as those members decide to exit and its members, hardliners like Bob Good, who are largely blamed for a lot of the turbulence and chaos, who are deciding to stick around.
00:04:38.000 Jess?
00:04:39.000 A big, big difference, because to your point, that graphic we just saw, those are some big names who have been there for a very long time and really are responsible for making things go.
00:04:47.000 All right, Melanie Zinona, great reporting.
00:04:48.000 Thanks so much.
00:04:51.000 Welcome to Firebrand.
00:04:53.000 We are live.
00:04:54.000 I'm Congressman Matt Gaetz.
00:04:55.000 We are back, simulcast, streaming out of room 2021 in the Rayburn House Office building here in the Capitol Complex in Washington, D.C. We're glad you're with us.
00:05:03.000 At CNN, they're melting down because the high caliber, the name brand, the governing wing of the Republican Party, they're deciding to call it quits because it's not so enjoyable when we actually focus on I don't know.
00:05:18.000 Using the leverage that we need to in this town to fix the border, drive down spending.
00:05:22.000 They don't like it, but you know what?
00:05:24.000 If they want to blame me for it, if they want to blame Bob Good for the fact that we are changing Congress because we don't think we can win with the team we have, well, I think that's blame that we're willing to take.
00:05:34.000 So, quite interesting.
00:05:36.000 Make sure, by the way, if you're watching this program, you go download the Rumble app and then turn notifications on.
00:05:42.000 That's the best way to get those live updates, to get the news posted.
00:05:46.000 Immediately direct from the source.
00:05:47.000 And the news in Northwest Florida is certainly sad today that I have to share.
00:05:52.000 There are around 10 million illegal immigrants that have invaded our country since President Biden took office.
00:05:57.000 This number includes 1.8 million known gotaways.
00:06:00.000 And remember, there are also unknown gotaways.
00:06:03.000 but also 7.3 million border crossers, most of whom have largely been paroled into the interior of the country, and they're waiting up to eight years for a court date.
00:06:11.000 Now, this reckless abuse of authority by Alejandro Mayorkas and President Biden is not without real-life consequences.
00:06:18.000 Yesterday, a 21-year-old constituent of mine was killed when Byron Pineda recklessly changed lanes, crashing into the 21-year-old constituent of mine's motorcycle, knocking it into the median.
00:06:31.000 Byron Pineda, as it turns out, is wanted by ICE.
00:06:33.000 We don't know yet all the details of the crash, and we don't know how Byron Pineda came into the country, whether he crossed the southern border and disappeared, whether he was paroled by Alejandro Mayorkas, or maybe he's overstaying a visa.
00:06:46.000 But if Alejandro Mayorkas and the Department of Homeland Security were doing their job, then my constituent might still be alive today, and Byron Pineda would be out of this country.
00:06:56.000 It's a sad, sad state of affairs that we allow dereliction of duty at the federal level to mean life or death in every congressional district in America.
00:07:06.000 And the fact that this man was wanted by ICE and yet felt bold enough to just drive around the streets of our community, that's terrifying.
00:07:14.000 The brazenness of it.
00:07:16.000 And you know why?
00:07:17.000 Because nobody is getting deported.
00:07:19.000 And especially not people whose chief crime is unlawful entry into the country.
00:07:23.000 So the fact that this guy is on the list that ICE actually was looking for to get rid of...
00:07:28.000 That's alarming.
00:07:29.000 My guess is he's one bad hombre.
00:07:32.000 That's not just fentanyl or gang violence.
00:07:34.000 The externalities of rampant illegal immigration affect every aspect of our daily lives, even in the paradise of Northwest Florida.
00:07:42.000 There is no escaping this crisis.
00:07:43.000 And the Biden-Mayorkas administration has made their position clear.
00:07:47.000 They have no intention of putting a stop to it.
00:07:50.000 They're actually facilitating it.
00:07:51.000 This is why it's more important than ever to impeach Secretary Mayorkas, to hold him accountable, to convict him in the Senate, And then to ensure that Joe Biden cannot do harm to our border or our nation going forward.
00:08:03.000 We cannot survive 10 million more Byron Pinedas crossing our border of the next four years. 1.00
00:08:10.000 Can't even survive hundreds of thousands of those types of circumstances.
00:08:15.000 Now, there are other developments I want to talk to you about regarding illegal aliens and voting.
00:08:20.000 A Chinese national named Kelly Wong, who cannot vote in the United States, has recently been sworn in to San Francisco's election commission despite her lack of citizenship, this news from the New York Post.
00:08:34.000 This means that a non-citizen who spoke Cantonese during an interview with local media before swearing in, despite knowing English fluently, will take part in overseeing critical aspects of our election process. 0.78
00:08:46.000 This includes voter registration, vote-by-mail policies, balloting, voting locations, drop boxes, election observation, chain of custody review from someone who's not a citizen.
00:09:01.000 This is a basic premise.
00:09:03.000 If you're not an American citizen, you should not be in a position to have authority over our elections. 0.85
00:09:09.000 I can't even believe we're having that debate.
00:09:12.000 That's why Ms. Wong's unanimous appointment by San Francisco's Board of Supervisors to the city's Elections Commission demands more attention for multiple reasons. 0.98
00:09:21.000 Coming from Hong Kong in 2019, Wong has worked with a San Francisco-based advocacy group, Chinese for Affirmative Action.
00:09:30.000 Quite the name.
00:09:31.000 She reportedly plans to continue to work in this role even though she's going to be part of the elections infrastructure.
00:09:39.000 The group was previously responsible for lobbying the government to change the law to allow non-citizens to vote in San Francisco school board elections if their children attended school in the district.
00:09:49.000 This alone was controversial, but Wang's appointment to the Election Commission takes things to a new level.
00:09:55.000 Additionally, the implications for national security cannot be overstated.
00:09:59.000 With hundreds of Chinese nationals entering the United States illegally through the southern border from Mexico, Wang's position on the Election Commission adds another layer of complexity to the debate on immigration and electoral integrity.
00:10:11.000 The principle here is simple.
00:10:13.000 The integrity of our elections is something that should be reserved for our citizens, non-citizens, It only erodes our democracy to put them in positions to have that kind of primacy and that kind of influence. 1.00
00:10:27.000 So, it's not about xenophobia.
00:10:29.000 It's about safeguarding the electoral system for all Americans and giving us confidence in it.
00:10:34.000 The decision to appoint Wong is a stark reminder of the need for a serious conversation about who should hold authority.
00:10:42.000 It isn't just a local issue.
00:10:44.000 It's a national concern that strikes at the heart of our democracy and our sovereignty.
00:10:50.000 In just moments, I've got this terrific interview for you.
00:10:53.000 So Clint Lancaster is a guy who's a fantastic whiz lawyer in Arkansas.
00:10:59.000 He ends up representing Joe Biden's, I'm sorry, Joe Biden's really his granddaughter's mother.
00:11:07.000 So the woman who had a child with Hunter Biden who resides in Arkansas and has this family law dispute with Hunter Biden, the lawyer for that case that got the DNA swab, That got the child support matter sorted out.
00:11:22.000 That saw a lot of the financial stuff.
00:11:25.000 Going to be here in just moments for an interview.
00:11:28.000 But I wanted to let you know of a few other things that are cooking.
00:11:33.000 FloridaPolitics.com is reporting that the primary runoff proposal that the state of Florida was considering has been temporarily postponed in its first House hearing.
00:11:43.000 So the state of Florida is...
00:11:45.000 A system that is first past the post, which means if you have the highest number of votes, you advance from the primary election to the general election.
00:11:53.000 Seems like a pretty democratic and reasonable process.
00:11:57.000 And that process has produced prosperity, safe streets, good schools, a clean environment in Florida.
00:12:03.000 And with two weeks to go in the legislative session, there were efforts by the House Speaker Paul Renner to airdrop a piece of legislation into the process to change 20 years of election law over the course of two weeks.
00:12:20.000 That is irresponsible.
00:12:21.000 And the change they want to make is not a good one.
00:12:24.000 Sure, it's great if you're a political consultant.
00:12:26.000 When you go from two elections, the primary and the general, to three elections, the primary, the runoff, and then the general, oh, political consultants love it.
00:12:34.000 They get to charge more money.
00:12:36.000 They think it's great.
00:12:36.000 The media will champion it because they get to place more advertisements.
00:12:41.000 But what does it mean for us, we the people?
00:12:44.000 One, it's a more target-rich environment for fraud feasors.
00:12:48.000 Two, it costs way more money.
00:12:50.000 And third, it's actually quite anti-democratic because the turnout and the runoff is so much lower than either the primary or the general, it becomes a funnel point.
00:12:59.000 Some have predicted this was done to help the establishment ensure that if a firebrand candidate in any election in Florida was able to Accumulated plurality of the vote that that firebrand, that MAGA, that America First candidate would face an additional hurdle of a runoff election. 0.65
00:13:19.000 So we're against this.
00:13:20.000 We're glad this was temporarily postponed.
00:13:23.000 Another matter I want to bring your attention to, Axios, is reporting House Democrat floats Mike Johnson protection measure.
00:13:30.000 A moderate House Democrat is circulating a proposal to protect Mike Johnson, Republican of Louisiana, from potential removal by an attempt of one of the party's hardliners.
00:13:40.000 The resolution, authored by Representative Josh Gottheimer, Democrat of New Jersey, would require Democrat or Republican Party leadership to To sanction any vote to vacate the Speaker's chair according to a copy that was obtained by Axios.
00:13:54.000 Some Democrats have suggested they would oppose another conservative-led motion to vacate.
00:13:59.000 They all were with me when we were vacating McCarthy.
00:14:03.000 And as it comes to this...
00:14:07.000 I've been very clear with the Firebrand audience.
00:14:09.000 I am open to some increase in the threshold in the motion to vacate in exchange for other accountability tools, like a ban on congressional stock trading, a lifetime ban on members of Congress becoming lobbyists or registered foreign agents.
00:14:23.000 And I don't think that lobbyists should be funding our campaigns.
00:14:26.000 And we could do those things by House rule.
00:14:30.000 And if we did, I'd be pretty open-minded to raising the threshold on the motion to vacate.
00:14:34.000 But if they want to erode an accountability tool and then continue to not pass the accountability tools that the American people want on the stock trading ban, I'm not so up for that.
00:14:46.000 Also wanted to bring your attention to a local story from the city of Pensacola.
00:14:50.000 Pensacola is finalizing a key sailing deal with American Magic.
00:14:55.000 Enhancing its national image on Tuesday, Pensacola Mayor D.C. Reeves, a good friend of mine, announced that the City Council will review a 10-year lease agreement with American Magic.
00:15:03.000 As part of that deal, the club would pay more than $291,000 per year.
00:15:09.000 The deal also would call on the team to host a preliminary regatta in Pensacola.
00:15:13.000 That would be so cool to have one of the preliminary regattas in Pensacola Bay.
00:15:18.000 I would be thrilled by that.
00:15:20.000 It would also have two national or international events in Pensacola each and every year.
00:15:27.000 My wife Ginger loves sailing. 0.97
00:15:28.000 She's got friends on the American Magic team, and we love the fact that American Magic, out of the New York Yacht Club, will be calling Pensacola home.
00:15:38.000 So they're just part of that great...
00:15:41.000 Migration from New York to Florida for people that like nice things, sailing, good schools, great weather, low taxes.
00:15:51.000 This Florida man, so proud of my state and so proud of Mayor Reeves for getting that done.
00:15:56.000 So I now want to get you to this great interview with Clint Lancaster, phenomenal attorney, also an advocate on election integrity.
00:16:04.000 You won't believe what's going on to block some of the accountability in the state of Wisconsin to try to get that state going the right direction on election integrity again.
00:16:15.000 So a lot of Hunter Biden stuff, a lot of election stuff.
00:16:17.000 Take a listen.
00:16:20.000 Recently I had the chance to be in the great state of Arkansas with fellow conservatives, patriots, those fighting for election integrity, and I spent some time with Clint Lancaster.
00:16:30.000 Now, Clint is an Arkansas attorney He served in the United States Marine Corps.
00:16:35.000 He was on the streets as a certified public officer, a field training officer.
00:16:41.000 And during his five-year career in law enforcement, Clint made countless arrests that led to successful prosecutions.
00:16:48.000 Went to law school at the University of Arkansas.
00:16:51.000 Now is the principal founder of the Lancaster Law Firm in Benton.
00:16:55.000 He's litigated over 2,000 cases, including a number of very high-profile matters, family law matters.
00:17:01.000 And he's on the program to talk a little bit about the new things he's doing on election integrity.
00:17:05.000 But first, Clint actually ended up serving as the attorney for the mother of one of Hunter Biden's children, or his child.
00:17:13.000 And so I wanted to talk to Clint because, in a lot of ways, the discovery that they got in that litigation over family law issues revealed a lot about the Biden family.
00:17:25.000 And some of the allegations and pleadings in family court in Arkansas are really interesting to talk about and review through the lens of what we see Biden family members testifying to in the halls of Congress.
00:17:37.000 One of the jokes around here is that Clint Lancaster might have done more actual oversight work than some of our committees tasked with that very purpose.
00:17:44.000 So, Clint, thanks so much for joining us.
00:17:46.000 Why don't you start by explaining to the Firebrand audience how you got to be involved in a case that dealt with the first family.
00:17:53.000 Of course, Matt.
00:17:54.000 It's good to see you again, and thank you for having me on your show.
00:17:57.000 So literally, I had a woman call my office and schedule an appointment, and usually we always ask who the other party is to make sure we don't have a conflict, but she wouldn't say.
00:18:07.000 So I was like, okay, just come on in.
00:18:09.000 And so it was London Roberts.
00:18:12.000 I want to say her sister-in-law or something like that, was a former client of ours, mine and my wife.
00:18:18.000 And she came in, we met with her.
00:18:21.000 I told her, yeah, sure, I'd do it.
00:18:24.000 And that's how I got the case.
00:18:26.000 Now, when thinking about these family law matters, generally, one of the first things you have to do in a case where there's a child support question is establish paternity.
00:18:35.000 So talk a little bit about how the law on establishing paternity in the state of Arkansas functions and how, in the matter you were litigating, you actually got the dispositive DNA test on Hunter Biden.
00:18:48.000 Well, it was a trick.
00:18:50.000 So, you know, right after we filed, maybe six hours after we filed the lawsuit, I got a phone call from George Mazares from Chicago.
00:18:56.000 And George was going to work with us kept promising to do stuff and then he never would deliver so I'm like okay you either you're going to deliver or we're going to serve your client and he laughed and said good luck and uh so I found uh I did a pretty comprehensive nationwide search and I found one address off of uh Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood I thought well that's it you know and so we sent our process server out and it was uh the same apartment that he he did a story with with the New Yorker But yeah,
00:19:24.000 nobody trusted each other with this DNA test.
00:19:27.000 They didn't trust us and we didn't trust them.
00:19:30.000 And my wife was adamant about not letting Hunter get out of this DNA test somehow.
00:19:36.000 So she found a DNA lab in Oklahoma City that opened up just for us on a Saturday.
00:19:43.000 And so we headed to Oklahoma City listening to Sean Hannity talk about Hunter Biden and the China money.
00:19:51.000 And we got there and they had a...
00:19:54.000 I brought Hunter in.
00:19:56.000 It was Hunter, his wife, Melissa.
00:19:58.000 And I watched him take the DNA out of his mouth.
00:20:01.000 Like physically watched him do it in the same room.
00:20:04.000 Had a conversation with Melissa.
00:20:06.000 Then they brought my client...
00:20:07.000 And when was this, Clint?
00:20:08.000 When did this DNA swab occur in Oklahoma City on a Saturday?
00:20:12.000 November of 2019. Okay, so way before you had any subpoenas going to Hunter Biden from the House or the Senate, way before we were getting documents or really any of the most significant wire transfers or bank records, You are literally getting his DNA. And is that something that usually happens in an Arkansas paternity case?
00:20:36.000 Is this stuff usually stipulated?
00:20:38.000 You do a lot of family law, so give us a flavor of how unusual this was.
00:20:43.000 This was unusual in how the DNA was obtained because usually, you know, most people will say, okay, I know that's my kid and we don't have to do that.
00:20:50.000 Or they'll say, you know, I want a DNA test, at which point you just go to a laboratory and you send them in at separate times.
00:20:58.000 It could have been very easy for a hunter just to walk into a DNA lab in California and get a DNA swab and for us to do it in Arkansas and avoid this.
00:21:06.000 But having him actually physically come and I didn't trust him.
00:21:10.000 I didn't trust any of them.
00:21:11.000 And so I wanted to watch the DNA process work.
00:21:14.000 I wanted to know that the sample they took from Hunter was the sample they were testing.
00:21:21.000 And that established paternity, right?
00:21:23.000 I mean, you having that chain of custody where you were observing it right there in the lab, you get the results that you were expecting based on the proffers of your client, and you find out that Hunter Biden has fathered a child with your client.
00:21:37.000 And as I understand it, part of the litigation you're involved in is over money and payments and finances.
00:21:44.000 How did money kind of play into how you were learning about the Biden family and their activities?
00:21:50.000 So at that time period, Hunter was still just kind of a blip on the national radar.
00:21:55.000 And he had the Burisma money and nobody really knew how much he got.
00:22:00.000 They knew it went to his firm.
00:22:01.000 But we were going to dive into it and know exactly what he got.
00:22:05.000 And we did.
00:22:05.000 We found out down to the penny of what he got and we used that that Burisma money was a basis to set child support and so we never really so you found the Burisma money how did you find it did you get it through the normal request for production did you have to subpoena banks how did how did you in this family law matter uncover the Burisma stuff even before the united states congress was really on it They had to give it to us through the discovery process and we compelled them to do it.
00:22:32.000 What we missed at that time period, we didn't know we had missed it, was the China money.
00:22:37.000 And so we knew about that the second time around.
00:22:40.000 But Hunter Biden wasn't making payments to your client as was previously occurring, right?
00:22:46.000 Was there some interruption in the payments he was making?
00:22:49.000 Well, so London had worked for Hunter, and that's one of the ways they knew each other, and he was paying her around $1,000 a month.
00:22:58.000 And Hunter had acknowledged that this was his kid long before the baby was born, but after the baby was born, he cut off the money.
00:23:08.000 He got out of rehab, and I guess he needed money or saw that he was short, so he was like, I'm cutting all these people off.
00:23:13.000 And so my client just wanted the thousand bucks a month and, you know, and so he ghosted her.
00:23:21.000 And so she found me and just, you know, what I do is I put pressure on people until they give me what I want.
00:23:26.000 And so that's what I began doing to Hunter Biden.
00:23:29.000 No doubt.
00:23:30.000 And it's just something when I'm hearing the testimony of Jim Biden regarding the millions of dollars flowing in from the Chinese, all of all of this Activity that they're doing under the Biden name.
00:23:42.000 You've got the other people in this orbit really describing an enterprise that is influence peddling.
00:23:51.000 And sometimes influence peddling is legal and sometimes it's illegal, right?
00:23:55.000 That's why we're sorting through all this stuff.
00:23:57.000 But as they've got that operation going, here you are representing this woman.
00:24:00.000 And one thing that we saw the media do, that we saw really the Biden operation do, was try to smear your client and to try to call her a bunch of bad names and refer to Work that she had done or hadn't done.
00:24:13.000 Talk about what it was like advising and counseling someone who's on the opposite end of the Biden and the media smear campaign.
00:24:22.000 Well, I'll tell you, for my wife and I, it was a lot like living in a John Grisham book that we couldn't get out of.
00:24:28.000 Every day, it was something.
00:24:30.000 It was always just going.
00:24:33.000 I never really had any training in how to deal with the media, but I became the media front person.
00:24:38.000 And what we did was, when it came down to things we didn't like, we just didn't address them.
00:24:42.000 We'd just say, well, you know, they'd call and say, was your client a stripper?
00:24:46.000 And we'd say, well, what does that have to do with the fact that Hunter is this kid's father and he needs to support her?
00:24:51.000 You tell me what that has to do with that.
00:24:53.000 Well, they're trying to smear.
00:24:54.000 They're trying to say if she was a stripper, then she's somehow less worthy of the resources to be able to raise this child, which is a pretty grisly and offensive suggestion, but it's obviously the suggestion made when they try to ripen that as a question, right?
00:25:11.000 Yeah, so fortunately for us, the media had also just come out and reported that Hunter Biden was going across the street from strip clubs and buying dildos for the strippers to use on him.
00:25:20.000 And so we have fed it back to him pretty heavily with that.
00:25:24.000 Well, they might have opened up a can of worms there. 0.76
00:25:26.000 They were not too interested in pursuing further than if you had that level of factual development.
00:25:33.000 Yeah, they shut up after that, but we did make a policy that if you published that my client was a stripper, we would not comment to you, period.
00:25:40.000 And Fox News, you know, Jesse Waters, he always likes to say baby mama, and he says it like that, and I'm pretty sure he's talking to me because I told him I wasn't going to talk to him because of what he said.
00:25:52.000 Well, nothing wrong with being a baby mama, right? 0.74
00:25:56.000 I mean, that's not a smear.
00:25:57.000 Well, you know, she's a great mom and, you know, the child support laws changed, but, you know, his attorney in open court said that before it changed that London was getting five figures a month from Hunter and child support.
00:26:11.000 So where does that case stand now?
00:26:12.000 Is it resolved?
00:26:13.000 Is there a final order?
00:26:15.000 Is there anything else you've got to police regarding that jurisprudence going forward?
00:26:20.000 No, it's over with.
00:26:21.000 It's done.
00:26:21.000 We sat down for a deposition in Little Rock and Hunter showed up for a deposition and my client was there.
00:26:27.000 And, you know, we started asking him questions.
00:26:31.000 My client wasn't supposed to stay very long and I didn't want to get into like a lot of grilling questions with her there.
00:26:37.000 But then she and Hunter started talking.
00:26:39.000 And, you know, I tell people she's not anti-Biten.
00:26:43.000 She didn't get pregnant because she doesn't like Bidens, and the kid wants a relationship with her dad, and that was more important.
00:26:51.000 Than the amount of money that we were talking about.
00:26:55.000 That took the, as it should, it took the precedent over financial aspects as the relationship that he might possibly have with Navy.
00:27:02.000 No, we would hope that for every child, for every parent, no matter how much we disagree with them, if they're willing to be in any way a nurturing part and not a negative part of a child's life, that's something we're for.
00:27:16.000 I want to move past that important work that you have done to now the important work that you're doing on election integrity.
00:27:24.000 Help is not coming from the federal government on election integrity, right?
00:27:29.000 In the Senate, it's their hope to block anything that we would produce here.
00:27:34.000 The Democrats' vision that they presented under Nancy Pelosi, fortunately, we were able to get stopped in the United States Senate.
00:27:40.000 So the battle space has largely become the several states.
00:27:43.000 And you've got states like Arizona and Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan on the front lines of this.
00:27:51.000 Talk a little bit about how you've engaged now in the election integrity fight.
00:27:55.000 So I got into election integrity.
00:27:57.000 My wife got me into election integrity when she volunteered us both to go to Madison, Wisconsin for the 2020 Trump recount.
00:28:03.000 And through her work there, we both got to represent Trump in Wisconsin.
00:28:09.000 And I tell people not the release the Kraken team, the real team of lawyers.
00:28:13.000 We split the Wisconsin Supreme Court and lost over turning the election by one vote.
00:28:18.000 So that's how I initially got into it.
00:28:20.000 And then when Justice Michael Gabelman was appointed to do his investigation, he hired me to come back to Wisconsin and help him with the investigation.
00:28:29.000 And then after that, I came back and I just started, you know, had a lot of election law experience.
00:28:33.000 So people started calling me to do recounts and make election challenges.
00:28:37.000 And so we've evolved from that to now trying to change our election laws to make voting more secure.
00:28:43.000 And how would you describe to like even a casual observer what the state of our election integrity infrastructure is now, particularly in a state like Wisconsin that could be highly dispositive where you've got some experience?
00:28:56.000 So in Wisconsin they have a lot of problems and it's very weak in Wisconsin.
00:29:02.000 There's no doubt.
00:29:04.000 I mean, we had evidence of improper election activities that swayed the 2020 election in Wisconsin for Biden.
00:29:11.000 That if they hadn't done this, you know, we're talking 20,000 votes and they knew that.
00:29:16.000 And so the problem is a lot of those infrastructure changes, regardless of what the Liberals say, that were made to support 2020 are still in place.
00:29:24.000 You know, you can still go in there and just request a ballot be sent to you, tell them you're in the military, and basically with no proof of ID, no verification, they will mail you absentee ballots.
00:29:34.000 And they did this to fictional people.
00:29:36.000 We found that.
00:29:37.000 And so what's the antidote?
00:29:40.000 The antidote is to strengthen the laws.
00:29:43.000 The state laws, right?
00:29:45.000 You're talking about state laws.
00:29:46.000 Okay.
00:29:47.000 Yeah, I think state laws, and I would say state laws because of the cause.
00:29:52.000 You know, the federal constitution doesn't permit the federal government to regulate elections, and we don't want that because as soon as the power tide turns, that's going to be used against us.
00:30:01.000 But at the state level, to make our elections secure has to happen on a local level.
00:30:06.000 And that's also important because elections happen at a local level.
00:30:10.000 Even the presidential race, the voting happens at a very, very local level.
00:30:15.000 So to stop the fraud, to stop the abuse, you have to stop it at the local level.
00:30:20.000 So we saw that in Georgia, right?
00:30:22.000 The folks in Georgia proved capable of such shame and embarrassment that they went and fixed their laws. 0.83
00:30:29.000 They got stronger signature match.
00:30:31.000 They got better chain of custody laws with their ballots.
00:30:34.000 And certainly I'm not entirely convinced that we're going to have everything cleaned up in Fulton County and DeKalb County.
00:30:40.000 But we've got more tools at our disposal to catch the cheating as it's happening, rather than trying to unwind the facts when you've had legitimate ballots polluted with illegitimate ballots.
00:30:52.000 In Wisconsin, how are you tracking the legislature's willingness to make those changes?
00:30:57.000 How are the grassroots efforts to try to get legislators on board with ending this indiscriminate mailing of ballots?
00:31:05.000 So the biggest problem in Wisconsin right now is Speaker of the Assembly, Robin Voss.
00:31:10.000 So he will not advance legislation that will remove the WEC administrator, the Wisconsin Election Commission's administrator, who under her watch is where all the fraud happened in 2020. She's still there and she's still going to do it.
00:31:24.000 What's the Speaker's basis for this, for blocking it?
00:31:26.000 What argument is made?
00:31:30.000 He doesn't have any real good arguments other than what he says is, well, we don't know who will get in there, or we don't need to change it this soon, or something along those lines.
00:31:40.000 But really what I think it is, is that I think he's got a financial connection to a vendor that the Wisconsin Elections Commission is using.
00:31:46.000 Oh, so you think it's just corrupt?
00:31:48.000 I think there's a level of corruption there.
00:31:51.000 There's really no other way to explain it.
00:31:52.000 How do you, as a Republican, leave the woman in charge of your elections who let Who suspended voting deputies in nursing homes where they forced people to vote. 1.00
00:32:01.000 We have videos of people in nursing homes that said, we were told we had to vote Joe Biden or we couldn't live here any longer.
00:32:07.000 That happened under her watch.
00:32:09.000 So if the Speaker is doing this and if you perceive that there could be some potential self-dealing feature to this, are there other lawmakers that are standing up to the Speaker and are working to advance this?
00:32:23.000 Yes, Representative Janelle Brantgen from Wisconsin has been leading the fight up there.
00:32:28.000 She led the fight on the election investigation that their house did up there. 0.91
00:32:34.000 And she's the one who's actually proposed legislation to remove Megan Wolf through impeachment, which they can do. 0.99
00:32:41.000 They have every ability to do that.
00:32:43.000 And the speaker will not let that resolution be called to the floor so they can impeach in the House.
00:32:49.000 And they hold a majority in the Senate.
00:32:51.000 And the Senate's already, you know, they've already tested the waters and they'll have the votes in the Senate.
00:32:55.000 But it's Robin Voss who's stopping it.
00:32:57.000 Personnel is policy, particularly when it comes to election integrity.
00:33:01.000 We knew this in Florida.
00:33:02.000 When we had supervisors of elections who were breaking the law, who had been subject to judgments that they had violated the state constitution on transparency requirements, Ron DeSantis took the oath of office and then fired the supervisors of elections in Broward and Palm Beach County for their wicked Ron DeSantis took the oath of office and then fired the And the result was everybody else cleaned up their act a little bit because you got the sense that you weren't going to just be able to break the law and keep your cushy six figure job as a supervisor of elections.
00:33:32.000 And we're all the better for that decision.
00:33:34.000 So I would encourage folks, whether it's in Wisconsin, Georgia, anywhere really, if you have officials who are operating outside of the color of law in their actions, you have to use the tools that are available for legislative removal, executive removal, whatever you have to do.
00:33:50.000 And what you'll find is, if you do that with a few folks, you will raise the floor.
00:33:54.000 You will raise the behavior of everybody.
00:33:57.000 I hope that that is something that the Wisconsin legislature takes real seriously.
00:34:04.000 Just final question.
00:34:06.000 Let me add this real quick if I could.
00:34:09.000 There's a recall effort underway in Wisconsin to recall Voss Out of his position as the Senate or as the Speaker of the House to just take him out of the House completely.
00:34:17.000 So if you have listeners that are in Wisconsin, please get out there and support that effort and, you know, get signatures.
00:34:22.000 So we believe that Voss is very much an anti-Trumper.
00:34:26.000 He said he'll do everything in his power to keep Trump from getting reelected.
00:34:30.000 And so let's just get rid of him.
00:34:32.000 We think we have the votes if we can get the signatures.
00:34:35.000 Well, certainly if someone is standing in the way of good policy and if there's any connection to self-dealing, that would be a warranted endeavor.
00:34:45.000 So, final question before we get out of here.
00:34:48.000 I want to ask you, just big picture, what is your confidence level that the 2024 election will not be stolen?
00:34:58.000 Low because right now a lot of the same things that existed are still out there and you don't have to what people don't understand is you don't have to steal an election through a massive amount of numbers.
00:35:09.000 You don't have to have Widespread corruption to steal an election.
00:35:14.000 You can do it in a localized area and it will be impactful.
00:35:18.000 And so I'm not confident of it, but what I am confident about is that this time, what's different is I see the RNC and Trump and a lot of other people doing the groundwork ahead of time.
00:35:29.000 Where in 2020, we were reactionary.
00:35:32.000 We were just waiting for the plane to crash before we started even trying to stop it.
00:35:37.000 And now we're trying to, we're saying, okay, We gotta make sure we have infrastructure in place.
00:35:41.000 Trump's now got a lawyer, I think, in every state that's standing by and ready to do something with election stuff.
00:35:48.000 It's a lot more preventative this time around.
00:35:51.000 But what we're still in the process of doing is catching them cheating instead of ending the ways that they can cheat.
00:35:57.000 Clint Lancaster, brilliant lawyer, election integrity advocate.
00:36:01.000 He's doing it everywhere from Arkansas to Wisconsin.
00:36:04.000 Clint, how can people follow your work and stay up with the front lines of this fight?
00:36:09.000 Well, I'm on Twitter at ArkansasClan.
00:36:11.000 I get on there and post it from time to time when I have something interesting or developing.
00:36:15.000 You can also go to avii.org, and that's the organization that is supporting election integrity efforts across the United States.
00:36:22.000 So you can find us and our team there.
00:36:25.000 Awesome.
00:36:25.000 Well, thank you for joining us on Firebrand.
00:36:27.000 Thank you all for being with us.
00:36:29.000 Roll the credits.