Firebrand - Matt Gaetz


Episode 166 LIVE: El Salvador Is Being Saved (feat. John Wilson & Gavin Wax) - Firebrand with Mat…


Summary

In this episode, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-GAZ) talks about his recent trip to El Salvador and the country s incredible turnaround from one of the deadliest countries in the world to the safest country in the Western Hemisphere. Rep. Gaetz is joined by the President of the New York Young Republican Club, Gavin Wax, and legislative counsel, John Wilson, to discuss Nayib Bukele s recent swearing in as president of El Salvador, and his vision for the future of the country under his leadership. They also discuss the impact of the Trump trial, the indictments, and the Democratic response to them, and how the country is emerging from the rubble of a brutal gang war that spanned decades and left much of Latin America in ruins. They also talk about Nayib's vision for El Salvador's future, and why he should be commended for what he s done to turn the country around in the face of a country that has seen nothing but bloodshed and conflict for the better half of the past half a century and is now rising from the ashes under the leadership of a man who has turned it into a place of peace and security. President Nayib Biukele is a man of vision and vision, who has transformed El Salvador into a nation that is safer than the United States, safer than any other place in the western hemisphere, and a place where you can be proud to call home. than you can go to sleep at night without fear of the dark night of the night. Thank you, Congressman Gaetz, for standing up to the uniparty, and standing up for the fight for our fellow Americans! and for fighting for our country. Thank you also for standing for our values, and fighting for what matters. . . . Thank you for being a fighter. Firebrand. -Jon Wilson, Gavin, Jon Wilson, and Gavin, for joining us in El Paso, Texas, and for supporting us. And thank you for all your support, Jon, for being here, for listening, and supporting us, for all the support, for your service, for supporting our cause, for doing what matters, for our future, for the people, and our country, and so much more. Tweet us to let us know what you think of this podcast, and what you re listening to this podcast. Timestamps: 1:00:00 - What do you think about it? 3:30 - What are you looking forward to in the future? 4:15 - What's next?


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00:00:00.000 Thank you.
00:01:51.000 Matt Gaetz, the biggest firebrand inside of the House of Representatives.
00:01:55.000 You're not taking Matt Gaetz off the board, okay?
00:01:58.000 Because Matt Gaetz is an American patriot and Matt Gaetz is an American hero.
00:02:03.000 We will not continue to allow the Uniparty to run this town without a fight.
00:02:08.000 I want to thank you, Matt Gaetz, for holding the line.
00:02:12.000 Matt Gaetz is a courageous man.
00:02:14.000 If we had hundreds of Matt Gaetz in D.C., the country turns around.
00:02:19.000 It's that simple.
00:02:20.000 He's so tough, he's so strong, he's smart, and he loves this country.
00:02:24.000 Matt Gaetz.
00:02:26.000 It is the honor of my life to fight alongside each and every one of you.
00:02:31.000 We will save America!
00:02:33.000 It's choose your fighter time!
00:02:35.000 I'm sending the Firebrands. - Welcome back to Firebrand.
00:02:44.000 I know it's been a minute and a lot has been going on here in Capitol Hill and really throughout the world.
00:02:49.000 We're going to talk about some of that, but if you've tuned in for the latest on the Trump trials, the lawfare, Attorney General Merritt Garland, you will be disappointed today because our focus is going to be exclusively external, global, things going on in the rest of the world as America struggles through this period of decline presided over by President Joe Biden.
00:03:08.000 So if you're interested In the questions we ask the Attorney General, strongly encourage you to check out our X timeline.
00:03:14.000 That's got our takes on those matters.
00:03:17.000 But we will focus today on a nation that is in the Western Hemisphere, in Latin America, in our sphere of influence, that is experiencing one of the, really one of the most miraculous turnarounds We've witnessed for any country in my lifetime, for sure.
00:03:34.000 And the president of that country is Nayib Bukele, who we have covered extensively here on Firebrand, and his bold vision is creating a security dynamic in El Salvador.
00:03:45.000 El Salvador, of all places, that could turn that small Pacific country into the Singapore, the Dubai, the Doha of the Western Hemisphere.
00:03:57.000 So, here to join me, I've got two great friends and colleagues, Gavin Wax, the president of the New York Young Republican Club, and my legislative counsel here in our congressional office, John Wilson.
00:04:08.000 John and Gavin were both with me in El Salvador, To experience the swearing in, the inauguration of President Bukele for his second term, his second mandate, and this is a time where he was addressing security issues, moving on to the next phase of that country,
00:04:23.000 and got a lot of thoughts on it, but I want to first start with you, Gavin, because you have traveled the world to places like Hungary, to places throughout Europe, where populism is trying to take hold and in some cases taking hold and here in El Salvador we seem to see a lot of those common sense populist policies increasing quality of life for people so give us your take on the Bukele inauguration and really where you think it sits within this broader move to embrace populism globally.
00:04:54.000 Well, thank you for having me on, Congressman.
00:04:56.000 And it certainly was a fantastic trip.
00:04:58.000 I was honored to share it with you.
00:04:59.000 And seeing what's happening on the ground in El Salvador is nothing short of a miracle.
00:05:03.000 For some of your listeners, if they're not aware, this is a country that was engulfed in a brutal, vicious, bloody gang war that spanned decades.
00:05:12.000 And even before that brutal gang war, they were also in the midst of a civil war that also spanned decades.
00:05:18.000 So this is a country that's seen nothing but bloodshed and conflict For the better half of the past century and is now coming out of that, rising from the ashes under the leadership of Nayib Bukele, who has, in a short period of time, turned this from one of the deadliest countries based on the homicide per capita rate.
00:05:39.000 In the world to, I believe, the safest country based on its homicide per capita rate in the Western Hemisphere, even safer, I believe, than the United States.
00:05:48.000 So it just goes to show that with strong leadership, visionary leadership, populist leadership, you can achieve massive results in a very short period of time.
00:05:57.000 And that's what Nayib Bukele was able to achieve in El Salvador, bringing about safety and security for his people, sort of the base needs of this, you know, hierarchy of needs of a nation, if you will.
00:06:08.000 And now he can begin to focus on the rebuilding, on these additional improvements to his country's infrastructure, to its economy, to its overall well-being, things that were impossible to even conceive of under the boot of a civil war.
00:06:24.000 And the gang war that have basically destroyed that country's future for the past several decades.
00:06:31.000 So what we're seeing on the ground is nothing short of a miracle.
00:06:34.000 It's a boom country.
00:06:35.000 You can see it in construction that's all over.
00:06:38.000 You can see it in just the aura and atmosphere and the vibes that people are giving off.
00:06:43.000 It's very hopeful for the first time.
00:06:45.000 They're excited to welcome in tourists.
00:06:47.000 They're excited to welcome in You know, foreigners to invest.
00:06:50.000 He's legalized Bitcoin as legal tender, the first in the world, a kind of a revolutionary move.
00:06:56.000 All of these things are being done towards one goal, and one goal only is the rebuilding of El Salvador, making El Salvador great again.
00:07:05.000 It's something that any American can appreciate.
00:07:07.000 It's something that any European can appreciate, as we've seen a lot of managed decline across the Western world.
00:07:12.000 It gives us hope for the future.
00:07:15.000 So John, you run the El Salvador desk in our office.
00:07:18.000 You've been studying President Bukele and the reforms that he's put in place to achieve what Gavin just described.
00:07:23.000 If you were talking to somebody who only thought about El Salvador in terms of like the invading migrant force in our country and only thought about El Salvador as like a bastion for MS-13 to wreak havoc on Really, the United States and other countries in Central and South America.
00:07:42.000 How would you describe to someone like that what the Bukele Doctrine is, what he encountered when he got there, and how he brought us to this moment that Gavin illuminated?
00:07:51.000 Well, President Bukele first and foremost mentioned this in his inaugural speech.
00:07:56.000 He said, first, you have a diseased body, you have to remove the cancer before you heal the rest of it.
00:08:01.000 So President Bukele declared a state of exception and he physically removed a parasitic, violent, criminal class of gangs from society.
00:08:11.000 And society began to flourish.
00:08:13.000 And by physical removal, all I mean really is that he took these people and put them in prison.
00:08:18.000 He wasn't tossing them off helicopters.
00:08:19.000 This was very humane, in fact.
00:08:21.000 And because he did this, it blows the left's ideas of restorative justice right out of the water and the idea that poverty...
00:08:30.000 Builds a culture of crime.
00:08:32.000 El Salvador is still a developing nation by our standards, but as you can attest, we went all over the country from the rural areas to the inner cities and we did not feel in danger at all.
00:08:41.000 These were good people that are now able to thrive, build and create and live their lives without worrying about being murdered or worse by these criminal gangs.
00:08:51.000 And because of that, he's inspired his country with a very service mentality, a very law-abiding mentality.
00:08:58.000 The roads were paved not only from the airport to the wealthy parts of town, but they were paved all the way out to the ocean and up into the mountains.
00:09:05.000 Better than the roads we deal with here in Virginia.
00:09:08.000 You know, it's completely inspiring.
00:09:10.000 It reminds me of one story that he told us about a school in a rural area.
00:09:14.000 It was an elementary school, and he said that every Halloween these kids would try to dress up as gangsters back in the old days, and the teachers would have to try and stop them, and sometimes they were successful, sometimes they weren't.
00:09:25.000 He said this past Halloween these kids dressed up like firemen, policemen, soldiers, and even one kid who wore a business suit maybe wanted to be president.
00:09:33.000 Who knows?
00:09:34.000 That type of inspiration is what Bukele has changed in El Salvador.
00:09:38.000 He's given his people something to be proud of and some leaders to look up to.
00:09:42.000 And you would think that with that type of success, there would be universal acclaim and celebration and undeniably in these images you're seeing from the inauguration.
00:09:51.000 There were 84 international delegations in El Salvador.
00:09:55.000 Something completely unheard of.
00:09:58.000 But he's not without his critics.
00:10:01.000 Neil Patel, one of the founders of The Daily Caller, put out some great commentary.
00:10:06.000 I want to put it on the screen and then have Gavin Wax from New York Young Republican Club react.
00:10:10.000 Here's what Patel says.
00:10:12.000 After just returning from Bukele's inaugural in El Salvador, it's glaring just how truly dishonest the American coverage is.
00:10:20.000 Here's the essential true story of what happened in El Salvador.
00:10:23.000 You will not find it in a single American corporate media outlet.
00:10:26.000 It's a huge reason why they are failing.
00:10:28.000 The U.S. helped screw up El Salvador and all of Central America by ousting dozens of governments when it suited our interests.
00:10:35.000 As a result of those and other forces, El Salvador was left in ruins and racked by a 12-year civil war between communists and the government, followed by more than a decade of dominance by rival gangs originally from the U.S., with roots in Satanism.
00:10:50.000 These gangs terrorized the small nation for more than a decade.
00:10:52.000 They used torture and disbursement and even human sacrifice as a matter, of course.
00:10:57.000 They brought El Salvador to the world's highest per capita murder rate.
00:11:01.000 They took huge extortion payments from virtually every business crippling the economy.
00:11:06.000 All this is our business because it resulted in a huge exodus of migrants to the United States.
00:11:13.000 Under new President Nayib Bukele, virtually every gang member has been put behind bars in a brand new prison he built in only seven months.
00:11:20.000 He has the highest adult prison rate per capita in the world right now.
00:11:25.000 The murder rate went from a peak of 103 per 100,000 down to 2.4 per 100,000.
00:11:33.000 This means El Salvador went from having the highest murder rate in the world to a lower murder rate than the United States.
00:11:39.000 Once the gangs were all locked up, the economy started to come back to life.
00:11:42.000 The streets are now vibrant and safe.
00:11:44.000 Most importantly for us, illegal immigration to the U.S. virtually stopped.
00:11:47.000 And in fact, many law-abiding Salvadorians who fled to America are now returning home.
00:11:52.000 The MS-13 Salvadorian gang members still prefer The U.S. They torture our citizens rather than return to face actual justice back home.
00:12:01.000 Salvadorians rewarded Bukele for saving their country with polls showing to be one of the world's most popular leaders with approval in the high 80s.
00:12:10.000 He won re-election with similar numbers and now has virtually all of the legislature as well.
00:12:15.000 His inaugural address celebrated the victory and continued to focus on rebuilding the economy that the multi-decade crime problem has impacted.
00:12:24.000 This is the only solution offered to date that could actually help fix the immigration system to the U.S. Other countries are flying in to learn what he did and replicate it.
00:12:32.000 So Gavin, in the face of that, what is the criticism from the left of Bukele as you understand it and how is that working out in the information space as a lot of countries are oscillating between productive populism and destructive socialism?
00:12:49.000 Well, it's the usual array of attacks against any effective leader globally who goes against, you know, the State Department's interests.
00:12:57.000 You know, what we're seeing is him under fire for supposed human rights violations.
00:13:00.000 They're calling him a dictator.
00:13:02.000 All the usual, you know, smears that they've used over the past, you know, several decades.
00:13:07.000 But they're no longer effective.
00:13:09.000 For one, calling him a dictator.
00:13:11.000 He has mass popular support, evidence not just by polling, but by recent election results, which Neil was alluding to in his tweets, where he secured, I believe, over 80-85% of the vote.
00:13:20.000 He has practically every seat in the legislature under his party, Nuevas ideas, except for four.
00:13:27.000 So there's four members of the opposition.
00:13:29.000 And if you look at the human rights abuses, this is a typical line of attack where they elevate the criminal Ahead of the victims.
00:13:37.000 You have tons of victims of these criminal gangs.
00:13:40.000 Now they're being locked up.
00:13:41.000 Now they're being jailed in a new modern facility.
00:13:44.000 You know, housing close to, I think, 70,000 of these gang members.
00:13:47.000 Crime has been virtually eradicated.
00:13:50.000 And instead of talking about the successes Of this, of these policies, which was all under the auspices of the Territorial Control Plan.
00:13:57.000 It was a seven-phase plan.
00:13:59.000 They're in phase six of it.
00:14:00.000 We don't know what phase seven is, actually.
00:14:02.000 Nayib Bukele has not told the world what phase seven is yet, but we are in phase six.
00:14:07.000 Despite all of these massive improvements to the lives of the law-abiding citizens of El Salvador, you know, the international, you know, collective liberal elite West And all their associated NGOs and government actors, etc., have nothing but, you know, criticism for Nayib Bukele because he threatens all of their narratives.
00:14:26.000 He threatens all of the propaganda that they've been pushing, that you can't have a strong man, you can't have any strong leadership, you can't have a country that's putting their national interest first, you can't actually solve crime in an effective way.
00:14:40.000 All of these are just the things we have to accept as part of living in modern society, yada, yada, yada, yada.
00:14:45.000 It's all this sort of weaponized nihilism that they push out on the airwaves here in the United States.
00:14:51.000 But he is showing firsthand that we don't have to live like this, that we don't have to accept crime as just a way of life.
00:14:58.000 We don't have to accept our country being taken over by corrupt interests.
00:15:02.000 A big part of his success was not just taking on the gangs, but was taking on the corrupt political class that ruled El Salvador for decades and in many cases was propped up by the United States and other foreign interests.
00:15:15.000 There's a lot of parallels there to what we're seeing in the United States and the broader Western world.
00:15:20.000 So with strong visionary leadership, And a national unity, a national consensus to solve these problems.
00:15:25.000 Anything is possible.
00:15:27.000 So if you could take the deadliest country on the face of the earth and make it the safest in a matter of years, months, there's no excuse for why we can't solve, you know, a litany of our problems here at home.
00:15:37.000 And we are hearing some of that criticism.
00:15:39.000 Chris McVeigh on Facebook says that our podcast here is amounting to MAGA worshipping authoritarianism.
00:15:46.000 No, Chris, we just like the order and safety.
00:15:48.000 Is it a bad thing to want people to be able to start a business without being extorted?
00:15:53.000 And the critique of Bukele that he's some sort of authoritarian belies some of the direct discussions we had with him.
00:16:00.000 So I want to let you guys into the room.
00:16:01.000 Sasha, I think we've got a clip where President Bukele within it is talking about his vision for innovation and how partnership can lead to free market systems that would be the best resilience against authoritarianism.
00:16:14.000 Play that clip.
00:16:15.000 It's such an honor to meet you.
00:16:17.000 This is my wife, Ginger.
00:16:20.000 Hi.
00:16:20.000 Wonderful to meet you.
00:16:22.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:16:22.000 I know who you are, of course.
00:16:24.000 Well, we're big fans.
00:16:25.000 Me too, me too, yeah.
00:16:26.000 And we have a lot of common friends.
00:16:30.000 We do, indeed.
00:16:31.000 Yeah, we do, indeed.
00:16:31.000 All the inventions, AI, for example, isn't it?
00:16:34.000 Everybody's copy because AI will become a commodity.
00:16:38.000 It's not like, you know, everybody will have AI on their phones and their watches, so AI will become a commodity.
00:16:43.000 It's not that.
00:16:44.000 But right now, it's still an invention.
00:16:46.000 And it's still in the U.S., basically.
00:16:48.000 Well, a lot of our...
00:16:52.000 I mean, all innovations are still in the US. But once you start going to Europe, like we're going to ban this and ban that and ban this and ban that, innovation is going to move.
00:17:06.000 If you lose the innovation advantage that you have right now, you lose more.
00:17:13.000 Yes.
00:17:14.000 So the United States has a lot going on for them, for you.
00:17:19.000 Well, we leave inspired now.
00:17:22.000 No doubt.
00:17:22.000 Thank you all.
00:17:23.000 Great to meet you.
00:17:24.000 Best of luck.
00:17:26.000 Thank you.
00:17:27.000 Great to meet you as well.
00:17:28.000 Thanks.
00:17:29.000 It's been wonderful.
00:17:32.000 Thank you.
00:17:32.000 Thank you so much.
00:17:36.000 President Bukele was so kind to host us at, I guess, their version of Camp David, a chance to be able to get his perspective on, really, the technology agenda.
00:17:45.000 And that's what I want to talk with you about, John.
00:17:47.000 John Wilson had a cameo there as well as our executive producer, Joel Valdez.
00:17:50.000 But, John, he made a point with me where he said, Matt, if I go back to manufacturing and textiles, It'll take me a hundred years to catch up because the industrial revolution passed by El Salvador.
00:18:05.000 And so now Bukele's got this vision where the way to advance an economy is actually to leapfrog some of the kind of traditional things we push the global south to do.
00:18:15.000 And he's embracing fintech, Bitcoin, these various technology platforms.
00:18:22.000 Do you think there's a role for the Global South in those things, where they get away from the Western Union theory of the case on economic transfers, and we start to see a decentralized society occur in the Global South through some of these embraces of tech?
00:18:39.000 Yeah, it's a very, very aggressive policy.
00:18:42.000 The early United States had a similar problem on its hand.
00:18:45.000 Do we want to become a peripheral economy that exports raw goods and textiles and certain things to places like Great Britain?
00:18:51.000 Or do we want to rival them?
00:18:53.000 And I think Bukele sees that a small country like El Salvador can't rival us in industrial might, but it might be able to play a role like Taiwan or some other small nation in tech or things that are more niche.
00:19:07.000 So trying to To leapfrog his adversaries and competitors through financialization and foreign investment and getting ahead in the tech industry is a huge gamble, but it's also a huge challenge, and it could reward him greatly.
00:19:22.000 And if education in his country and foreign investment keeps up, then there's no telling what you could do under a man like his leadership.
00:19:30.000 Maria on X says that on All Hallows' Eve, the only appropriate outfit is saints.
00:19:35.000 It shouldn't be anything other than the saints.
00:19:37.000 Very base take from Maria on X. Gavin, you know, I wanted to ask you about the imagery and the symbolism of all this.
00:19:46.000 Sasha, go ahead and put up the outfit side by side here.
00:19:50.000 Here you can see on the screen what Bukele wears and a striking kind of homage to Simone Bolivar The great liberator of Latin America.
00:20:02.000 You're president of the New York Young Republican Club.
00:20:04.000 The event of the year every year on the political right is the New York Young Republican Club Gala.
00:20:09.000 You understand all the pomp and circumstance.
00:20:12.000 Should we take something from the Bukele outfit choice, the pageantry, the way you saw it all play out?
00:20:19.000 Oh, absolutely.
00:20:20.000 This is a man that understands aesthetics, the power of aesthetics, the visuals, the imagery.
00:20:24.000 All of these are very effective tools to convey your vision of the future, and he certainly has one.
00:20:30.000 I mean, there's a lot of history to that outlet.
00:20:33.000 There's a lot of history, you know, to Central American political dynamics.
00:20:37.000 I mean, this was a region that was once united in a very similar way to the United States.
00:20:41.000 They had the Federal Republic of Central America, these United Provinces of Central America.
00:20:46.000 They eventually fell apart.
00:20:47.000 They sort of modeled themselves on the United States.
00:20:50.000 And there's always been a large political contingent in Central America, in these various nations, to unite these different countries back into one once more under some sort of federal model.
00:21:00.000 And that's something that Bukele has discussed and promoted.
00:21:03.000 And it's something that's been coming up more in the discourse there because of his successful leadership in turning El Salvador around.
00:21:09.000 So I think between that history, the visuals, the outfit, I mean, everything, it's all pointing in one direction and one direction only.
00:21:16.000 This sort of returning to greatness, elevating the nation, elevating the people.
00:21:20.000 And again, you know, we saw this at the inauguration, this big, beautiful palace, I think, constructed in the early 1900s, the artillery firing, the flyovers, the beautiful, you know, decor and the uniforms.
00:21:33.000 Everything is showing that this is a country on the upswing.
00:21:36.000 And you can always Look to these sort of outward signs to show the health of a country and you look at our country and what we're producing and the symbols and the rhetoric and the visuals that the Biden administration is putting out and it's one of a decline and it's one of a nation moving rapidly towards sort of tyranny.
00:21:54.000 On the other hand, you have Bukele with this optimistic imagery, this optimistic discussion about fixing the country and moving forward, and now being able to focus on things like the economy and infrastructure and building.
00:22:06.000 And they are building, right?
00:22:07.000 In that plaza that we were in, they built a beautiful new library that I had the pleasure of visiting.
00:22:13.000 It's a modern facility, and it just goes to show where his administration's priorities are.
00:22:19.000 And every administration or regime, however you want to describe it, has their priorities.
00:22:23.000 And what are his?
00:22:24.000 Well, one of the first things he did was build a beautiful large library dedicated to improving literacy, dedicated to improving the education and well-being of the youth of El Salvador.
00:22:35.000 So they're not being drawn into gangs, they're being drawn into learning and studying.
00:22:38.000 And I visited this library and it was filled with young families and young people reading books, studying and enjoying the facilities.
00:22:45.000 That several years ago would have been completely unavailable to them.
00:22:49.000 Everything from the books to the computers to the air conditioning, I sure as hell needed it, and everything else about that facility.
00:22:55.000 So these are the types of things that he's focusing on, uplifting his people, uplifting his country, and building new and building better.
00:23:02.000 The concern that he has as we're experiencing this 18% increase and just the way construction is impacting the GDP, it's at 18% right now.
00:23:13.000 But the concern is that our State Department does not go into these interactions with what I think you and I would want, a reinvigorated Monroe Doctrine.
00:23:23.000 I get criticized all the time for being an isolationist because I don't want to go fight every single war in the Middle East and I don't believe we can turn every cave in Central Asia.
00:23:32.000 And to the next Jeffersonian democracy.
00:23:34.000 But when it comes to our neighborhood and a reinvigorated Monroe Doctrine, you have to have shining examples outside the United States that other countries could see their own future looking like.
00:23:46.000 And John, you see all the time here on Capitol Hill how much the staffs, how much the members, the committees are focused on Indopaycom and focused on Centcom and even to an extent focused on Africom.
00:23:59.000 But right here in Southcom, Oftentimes, there is neglect.
00:24:04.000 How do you think policymakers ought to be thinking about using the progress here in El Salvador to reinvigorate a regional Monroe Doctrine?
00:24:14.000 Well, what's going on right now with our federal government and our State Department, USAID, and these globalist NGOs is just absolute criminal malpractice.
00:24:22.000 You have a budding country like El Salvador that we could be incredible allies with.
00:24:27.000 And instead of reaching out to them and working with them, we're treating them standoffishly, criticizing how Bukele goes about The day-to-day governance that is very much up to him, in my opinion.
00:24:39.000 And, you know, an America First foreign policy is an isolation.
00:24:42.000 An America First foreign policy is interest-based rather than value-based.
00:24:46.000 So right now, you know, the Russians will come to your country and they will say, we'll give you security.
00:24:51.000 The Chinese will come to your country and they'll say, we'll give you money.
00:24:55.000 And then the United States will come to your country and say, we're going to give you drag queen story time in your public library unless you work with us.
00:25:02.000 And that's not attractive.
00:25:04.000 So people like President Bukele say, yeah, I don't know if I want to work with these guys.
00:25:07.000 We need to go to them and offer them economic security.
00:25:10.000 We need to have security assistance.
00:25:13.000 This could be a great ally in the war on cartels.
00:25:16.000 Now that...
00:25:17.000 The MS-13 style satanic gangs have moved out of country.
00:25:22.000 There is a vacuum potentially that needs to be filled by President Bukele and he's working hard to do it.
00:25:26.000 But the last thing you want is Sinaloa cartels and other cartels in Mexico filling the void down there.
00:25:31.000 And if we can stop them there, we don't have to worry about as much of the drugs, the violence, Take just a moment and educate people about really how MS-13 was not an El Salvadorian gang that invaded the United States so much as it was a feature of the U.S. prison system that then was visited in El Salvador where it then grew, it was nurtured, and then became a more capable and dangerous force.
00:25:58.000 Yeah, that's exactly what happened.
00:25:59.000 So MS-13 was actually founded in California's prison system by El Salvadorans who had immigrated here during the Revolution.
00:26:07.000 So we took these people and deported them, rightly so, but unfortunately that meant El Salvador got a hold of all these new gangsters who set up shop in their country.
00:26:15.000 And it took their country from You know, a normal developing country into a state of not only just anarcho-tyranny or decline, but frankly, in my opinion, a complete and total failed state.
00:26:24.000 And it stayed that way for some time.
00:26:26.000 And we played both sides in the region down there, and to no avail, gangs dominated El Salvador.
00:26:32.000 But they were still not as sophisticated.
00:26:34.000 And as we see with President Bukele and his military, you know, once he got the military up and operating, the gangs were no match for them.
00:26:41.000 Cartels are a totally different entity, and we have to take that very, very seriously.
00:26:46.000 I know President McKellie told us about when he got into office, he saw that his military had holes in their shoes and terrible uniforms.
00:26:53.000 They got paid less than minimum wage, and it was viewed in this country as if you joined the military, well, then you must have had something go wrong in your life.
00:27:01.000 So when he gets into power, he says, you know what?
00:27:03.000 We're going to fix the equipment.
00:27:04.000 We're going to give you good boots, good uniforms, good weapons.
00:27:07.000 You're going to be proud to serve.
00:27:08.000 We're going to get out the corruption.
00:27:09.000 And now these guys are walking around wanting to join the military.
00:27:12.000 They want to get the girls, right?
00:27:13.000 That's what he told us.
00:27:14.000 And the girls think they're awesome.
00:27:16.000 They are.
00:27:16.000 Because instead of being in some holy shoes and some rat-tat uniform, these guys are decked out.
00:27:22.000 They're looking sharp.
00:27:23.000 They created medals when there is merit, when they showed bravery, when they were successful.
00:27:28.000 It's just what Gavin was saying earlier.
00:27:30.000 Symbols are a feature of nationalism.
00:27:32.000 They do.
00:27:32.000 Bukele created a national band.
00:27:34.000 There's a national campaign to get people to not litter on their streets, but to take pride in the environment of their country.
00:27:41.000 When you love the country, then you create a permission structure to allow for beauty and joy.
00:27:47.000 And in so many places on Earth, and frankly, in the United States, we see regression off of that standard, I fear.
00:27:54.000 Yeah, beauty inspires hope.
00:27:55.000 And they have it in El Salvador right now, and they're better off for it.
00:27:58.000 So Gavin, I've got to tell you, I've got to bring you into one of the discussions we had because there was a New York Democrat, and I can't say it was like a criticism of Bukele, but the New York Democrat turns to Bukele and says, yeah, yeah, yeah, you've dealt with the gangs, but you really need to lay off them now.
00:28:13.000 You really need to move past this very strident security policy and move on to something else you can worry about.
00:28:20.000 And Bukele first described that anything built by man, a wall, a building, a dam, Requires maintenance and that the security system has really been created by this government.
00:28:33.000 It will always require maintenance and diligence.
00:28:36.000 And then he turned to this New York Democrat and said a quote.
00:28:38.000 I will not forget that he borrowed.
00:28:40.000 He said, he who spares the wolf forsakes the sheep.
00:28:46.000 You were out there in that crowd with those Salvadorians as they celebrated this man, as they took an oath alongside him to recommit themselves to the country.
00:28:57.000 Give the Firebrand viewers like a sense of what it was like being out in that crowd and how people were reacting to the inauguration and to this promise of a brighter future.
00:29:09.000 Oh, I mean, it was pandemonium out there.
00:29:11.000 I mean, they were loving it.
00:29:12.000 The cheers, you know, the support.
00:29:15.000 I mean, it was all around us.
00:29:17.000 And the crowd was massive.
00:29:18.000 I mean, you know, we talk a lot about crowd sizes in American politics.
00:29:21.000 You know, this is not a large country.
00:29:23.000 This is not exactly a large city.
00:29:24.000 But the crowd was as far as the eye could see.
00:29:26.000 People were coming out from all over.
00:29:28.000 I mean, again, this is a man who has achieved national unity.
00:29:31.000 This is a man who's brought about a national consensus, who's been able to unite All these different factions, left and right, under this sort of pragmatic, almost big tent, populist-style movement that's really just about results and is about delivering results for the Salvadoran people.
00:29:49.000 I believe I know the gentleman you're referring to, this New York Democrat, and it's very funny.
00:29:53.000 That he would say something like that.
00:29:55.000 You could say the same thing about how we dealt with crime here in New York City under Mayor Rudy Giuliani and later Bloomberg.
00:30:01.000 And again, it didn't take much for that to all those gains that we made in terms of public safety and turning the city around from its low point in the 70s and 80s.
00:30:10.000 It didn't take more than one term of Mayor de Blasio to turn that entire situation back on its head.
00:30:17.000 So the same thing can easily happen in El Salvador.
00:30:20.000 Civilization is very fragile at the end of the day.
00:30:23.000 And the situation that John was describing of it being a failed state, it could return to that status of being a failed state very quickly.
00:30:31.000 You just have to simply replace this strong visionary leadership with weak and corrupt leadership like it once had.
00:30:38.000 So all of this is a very thin line between barbarism and civilization.
00:30:44.000 And I think Bukele fully understands that and understands That this needs to be maintained, that this needs to be built up, not just over an election cycle like most Republicans think, but over generations, which is how the institutional left thinks.
00:30:56.000 They think in terms of generations.
00:30:58.000 So again, now he's able to focus on rebuilding the country, to fixing the roots, to fixing a lot of these other issues that have been neglected for decades.
00:31:06.000 And again, the hope is in the air.
00:31:08.000 The people appreciate it.
00:31:09.000 They love him.
00:31:09.000 They're rewarding him.
00:31:10.000 With electoral mandates that you fail to see in most countries across the world, winning by the percentages he won by, really shows that he had a tangible, immediate, and visceral impact for the better on the lives of the vast majority of Salvadoran people.
00:31:26.000 And listen, there are many people in the West, in these globalist elites, that don't like that this is happening.
00:31:32.000 Again, because it's showing that it can be replicated in other countries.
00:31:36.000 There were dignitaries there from across Latin America, other countries that are facing similar issues, including in places like Ecuador, for example, who are now adopting this sort of Bukeleism to fix the issues, similar issues involving gangs and cartels in their own countries.
00:31:51.000 The more these countries begin to stabilize and fix their problems at home, the less migration the United States is gonna see, the less drugs and other criminal enterprises we are gonna see crossing our border.
00:32:03.000 And of course, if you have an agenda to flood the border, not just with people, but also with illicit substances, and if you have an agenda to degrade the foundation of our society, then of course you want to see instability across Latin America because it's all going to pour northward, which is what's been happening for the last several years.
00:32:20.000 My wife, Ginger, has a Salvadorian friend who showed her dad the videos and the images that we had taken there of that very joy and that sense of a brighter future, and I was told that he started crying because he looked at that and said, that's what I was fighting for in the Civil War.
00:32:37.000 I was fighting for the chance that people could get past what had constrained better lives, investment, better futures, and certainly To see that explosion of emotion is no surprise, knowing what the people there have been through.
00:32:51.000 But John, final question I want to ask both of you.
00:32:53.000 What would be your message to the Salvadorians who are in the United States right now and who are observing this transformation from afar?
00:33:02.000 I'll say go home.
00:33:03.000 I mean, it's time.
00:33:05.000 You know, you've come here for economic reasons.
00:33:07.000 You still love your people.
00:33:08.000 You still love your country.
00:33:09.000 And now your country is amazing.
00:33:12.000 It's beautiful.
00:33:13.000 It's inspiring.
00:33:13.000 It's changed.
00:33:14.000 And they desperately need you.
00:33:15.000 They need the labor force.
00:33:17.000 They need the intellectual capital that you all have grown inside our country.
00:33:21.000 And now there has been no better time in your nation's history and your history in our country than right now to voluntarily go back to El Salvador And join your compatriots in building a better society.
00:33:32.000 Gavin, what's your message to the Salvadorian community after this experience?
00:33:37.000 Well, I certainly share John's sentiments.
00:33:39.000 And if they do not decide to repatriate, then I would encourage them to vote for President Trump.
00:33:44.000 If you support Bukele's policy platform in El Salvador, you should have no reason not to support the Trump America First agenda here.
00:33:51.000 It shares many parallels.
00:33:53.000 It shares Many of the same principles ideologically in terms of turning our country around.
00:33:58.000 We are facing an unprecedented crime wave in our country.
00:34:00.000 We're facing unprecedented levels of institutional corruption.
00:34:04.000 And if you want to prevent the country you immigrated to from turning into the country you left, then the only choice is to vote right, to vote for President Trump, and to vote for other America First candidates up and down the ballot.
00:34:14.000 But I certainly think now is the time to repatriate.
00:34:17.000 Certainly if a lot of tech bros and Bitcoin bros We're good to go.
00:34:41.000 Across the world, we need more visionary, populist, pragmatic leaders who are going to address the problems of this country, fight through the corruption, fight through the foreign influence, and fight through all of the societal ills that are plaguing us and fight for a better future.
00:34:54.000 It can happen in El Salvador.
00:34:56.000 It can happen anywhere.
00:34:57.000 Absolutely.
00:34:57.000 I will leave with this sentiment.
00:34:59.000 There are certain things that happen throughout the course of your life where you'll always remember where you were.
00:35:04.000 For me, 9-11.
00:35:06.000 I'll never forget standing in the student union at Florida State University getting that news or the death of Princess Diana and seeing the anguish on the face of my parents in South Walton County in Florida.
00:35:19.000 Gosh, the fall of the Soviet Union.
00:35:24.000 Conviction of President Trump was such a sad moment for me personally.
00:35:28.000 I've dedicated my whole life to the law, going to law school, learning the law, practicing law, writing the laws in my state and now my country.
00:35:36.000 And so to see the law Used in such a way to achieve politics.
00:35:42.000 It angered me, but even through the anger was such an emptiness and a sense of sadness.
00:35:49.000 And there I was.
00:35:50.000 No one thought this verdict was coming in.
00:35:53.000 Judge was about ready to send those folks home.
00:35:55.000 And there I was sitting in a beautiful Skyrise Hotel in El Salvador, of all places.
00:36:03.000 Watching my country arrest a political rival, watching my country descend into near third world chaos, and then I see this country in the third world believing in strong borders, an orderly society, a celebration of nation, disagreement politically without these corrupt uses, and then a real focus on rooting out real corruption.
00:36:28.000 Bukele, when he had his first cabinet meeting, he brings everybody in and says, that's the Attorney General, and he'll be investigating everyone in this room, including me.
00:36:37.000 And indeed, they found a rat in the woodpile.
00:36:40.000 Somebody that was going to be in the cabinet was compromised, and so they were able to excise that and deal with that.
00:36:46.000 And I think we need that level of focus on honest, fair government in the United States.
00:36:51.000 And guess what?
00:36:52.000 If it can happen in El Salvador, if turnaround can happen in El Salvador, it certainly can happen for the greatest country that has ever existed in all of humankind.
00:37:01.000 Special thanks to John Wilson and Gavin Wax for going with me to El Salvador, spending time there.
00:37:07.000 I think Gavin probably had the best Spanish of the group, but there were times we had to team up to get all the verbs conjugated correctly.
00:37:15.000 But thank you everyone for watching.
00:37:17.000 We'll have other important updates regarding the work in Congress, some of the spending bills we're dealing with.
00:37:23.000 And the way we need to use the power of the purse and the power of subpoena to right our nation again.
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