Firebrand - Matt Gaetz - Episode 21: Fedsurrection (feat. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Darren Beattie) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

00:00:01.000 The embattled Congressman Matt Gaetz.

00:00:03.000 Matt Gaetz was one of the very few members in the entire Congress who bothered to stand up against permanent Washington on behalf of his constituents.

00:00:10.000 Matt Gaetz right now, he's a problem in the Democratic Party.

00:00:13.000 He could cause a lot of hiccups in passing applause.

00:00:16.000 So we're going to keep running those stories to keep hurting him.

00:00:20.000 If you stand for the flag and kneel in prayer, if you want to build America up and not burn her to the ground, then welcome, my fellow patriots!

00:00:29.000 You are in the right place!

00:00:30.000 This is the movement for you!

00:00:32.000 You ever watch this guy on television?

00:00:35.000 It's like a machine.

00:00:36.000 Matt Gaetz.

00:00:37.000 I'm a canceled man in some corners of the internet.

00:00:41.000 Many days I'm a marked man in Congress, a wanted man by the deep state.

00:00:45.000 They aren't really coming for me.

00:00:47.000 They're coming for you.

00:00:49.000 I'm just in the way.

00:00:54.000 Welcome to Season 2 of Firebrand.

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00:01:20.000 Now, it's January 6th and we've got two of the Firebrand Nation's favorite guests that we're going to be chatting with today.

00:01:28.000 First, Dr. Darren Beattie and then, of course, the great Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:01:34.000 Now, on January 6th, Democrats are trying to seize the narrative and seize the day.

00:01:39.000 But know this, the game you are watching is not the game being played.

00:01:44.000 This was far less an insurrection and likely far more a fedsurrection.

00:01:50.000 And the most in-depth reporting, the best investigative news you could possibly get on this subject, you're going to find at revolver.news.

00:01:59.000 And I am here to announce that today, I took the body of reporting from Revolver News, from Stuart Rhodes to Ray Epps to Even those acting likely in concert with Ray Epps.

00:02:12.000 And I inserted those into the official congressional record.

00:02:16.000 So we're gonna get the truth out there.

00:02:19.000 No better person to chat with than Dr. Darren Beattie, the austere publisher of Revolver News.

00:02:25.000 Thanks for joining me, Darren.

00:02:27.000 It's a delight to be here.

00:02:29.000 Thanks for having me.

00:02:30.000 So, Darren, we're going to talk about the 6th and how that day unfolded.

00:02:34.000 But you revealed in your most recent reporting on Revolver News something that happened on January 5th that I don't think a lot of Americans really know about.

00:02:44.000 But it was this monumental event that unfolded literally almost on the steps of the Department of Justice.

00:02:52.000 Explain to the audience.

00:02:54.000 Yes, and there are several things on the 5th, but I believe you're referring to the so-called Trump hippie van, colloquially referred to by researchers as the Trump hippie van.

00:03:07.000 And this was a van with stop the steal insignia and at least presenting as people who would have an intention to go to the Trump rally the next day.

00:03:18.000 Well, on the 5th, This so-called Trump hippie van was stopped right outside of the Department of Justice, and the federal law enforcement authorities discovered there were explosives in this van and firearms.

00:03:35.000 What did you find in there?

00:03:36.000 Do you know?

00:03:37.000 Sir, I can't comment on it.

00:03:38.000 Is there anyone who's authorized to comment?

00:03:40.000 Nope.

00:03:41.000 And they made a big deal out of it, as you would expect.

00:03:44.000 They processed everyone in the van.

00:03:47.000 They wanted to take DNA swabs, the whole works.

00:03:50.000 And what's remarkable, well, there's a couple things that's remarkable about this.

00:03:55.000 One is that I would imagine most of your listeners who are generally very educated on these matters Have not even heard about this.

00:04:03.000 And what's strange about that is that the media would have seemed to have every incentive in amplifying coverage of a story of, oh, look, another van of Trump supporters with explosives right outside the Department of Justice.

00:04:16.000 This is a huge deal.

00:04:18.000 This is the next 9-11.

00:04:20.000 Like, they would have far more justification blowing that up than...

00:04:24.000 You know, the treatment that they've given to the subsequent event of 1-6.

00:04:28.000 And so why is this thing buried in local media coverage and something that nobody's talking about, nobody's covering?

00:04:35.000 That's an interesting story in its own right, and we can speculate on that basis and say, hmm...

00:04:42.000 If there was a threat of this magnitude right outside of the Department of Justice, it makes it yet more difficult to account for the fact that January 6th, the Capitol building and the surrounding environment enjoyed uniquely poor security.

00:04:59.000 It wasn't just that they didn't have enhanced security, which would have been entirely called for and justified and even expected given something like this, and simply given that there would be a big politically charged rally nearby.

00:05:12.000 But that it didn't even enjoy normal security on that day is something that is quite astonishing.

00:05:19.000 Darren, now, I've been to dozens of Trump rallies all over this country, and I have never seen a group called Hippies for Trump.

00:05:29.000 Yet all of a sudden on January 5th, they show up in this bus and we start to learn about one of the individuals who's on this bus.

00:05:39.000 We later kind of learn about him as black ski mask guy in your reporting.

00:05:45.000 But there's actually a little interview he does right there on the 5th.

00:05:50.000 Let's play that clip.

00:05:51.000 And then they tried to get us to take DNA swabs.

00:05:56.000 DNA swabs?

00:05:57.000 Yeah.

00:05:58.000 Let's see if our DNA matched the weapons that were found on the vehicle.

00:06:03.000 How many weapons?

00:06:05.000 I don't know.

00:06:08.000 How many weapons did they find?

00:06:09.000 I think one or two.

00:06:12.000 They were pretty quick at getting them out of there.

00:06:14.000 They were also hinting that there was a bomb on the bus.

00:06:17.000 You're absolutely right.

00:06:18.000 So the significance of this story goes far beyond the fact that there was this major terror scare, effectively, on the 5th, right outside the Department of Justice.

00:06:28.000 And even that couldn't justify normal levels of security on the next day when a major politically charged rally would occur within close proximity to the Capitol and other relevant buildings.

00:06:43.000 But this very person...

00:06:45.000 Who's on the hippies for Trump bus, who gives this interview, who is subjected to federal law enforcement questioning, then all of a sudden appears on the 6th.

00:06:57.000 They weren't detained.

00:07:01.000 They weren't held.

00:07:02.000 Yet again, black ski mask guy appears on the 6th.

00:07:06.000 What are we to think about the fact That this individual on the 6th seems to be animating violence, on the 5th has an encounter with law enforcement, and seemingly has faced no charge.

00:07:17.000 Well, you're absolutely right to point this out.

00:07:20.000 And so in the latest bombshellrevolver.news investigative report, we cover a handful of characters who were at the peace monument, near the peace monument at the very beginning, Well before Trump finished his speech,

00:07:38.000 by the way, they were all hanging out in the same spot early in the day, and they all went on to play decisive roles in creating the conditions for the Trump rally to turn into a riot at the Capitol.

00:07:52.000 And they did that by removing barriers, cutting down fencing, effectively creating a booby trap so that the people coming over to the Capitol from the rally had no idea That they were technically trespassing on Capitol grounds because the barriers had been removed.

00:08:09.000 And then, of course, you had various provocateurs ginning them up and we cover those people too.

00:08:14.000 And this individual black ski mask guy who was in the Hippies for Trump van is one of those key individuals who just showed up very early on and was methodically In a seemingly cool, detached, professional way, removing barriers and helping to create the conditions for this rally to become a riot.

00:08:36.000 And what's amazing about this individual is that we know that the feds know who he is because he was stopped in the van the previous day.

00:08:45.000 There's not even this plausible deniability excuse of, oh, they haven't found out who he is.

00:08:51.000 We know that they know who he is because he was stopped in the van literally the day before and what are the chances that this guy who was stopped in this bizarre Hippies for Trump van with explosives and firearms right outside of the Department of Justice and let free then just happens to be one of the key individuals removing fencing to allow for the riot to occur on January 6th.

00:09:14.000 We know that they know who he is and he's unindicted.

00:09:17.000 So there's an important element here of pattern recognition, Darren, where sometimes when there is a federal asset or a federal agent or someone who's acting in response to a federal handler, that there may be other people that are subjected to that type of control from the FBI or other federal law enforcement, and they don't necessarily know what each other are doing.

00:09:43.000 Now, we learned about this From your reporting from the sort of the phony Gretchen Whitmer, governor of Michigan, kidnapping plot that I think a lot of reporting has shown was animated by elements within the federal government.

00:09:58.000 But just talk about that dynamic where you can actually have multiple people acting in response to stimuli from federal law enforcement and they might not even know that another person, part of the plot, is doing the very same thing.

00:10:12.000 Absolutely. 0.89

00:10:13.000 And, you know, when you look at the history of these types of operations, federal infiltration operations, you know that the feds are very much like cockroaches. 0.92

00:10:23.000 There's never just one. 0.93

00:10:24.000 There are multiple.

00:10:26.000 And you see that in the incredible fed infiltration ratio of the Michigan plot, which, as I've talked about on your program and elsewhere, has a remarkable fed infiltration percentage increase.

00:10:40.000 12 out of the 26 so-called plotters turned out to have been informants or federal agents proper.

00:10:48.000 And this was essentially a dry run for 1-6.

00:10:51.000 Inasmuch as it was the same plot, it involved storming the Michigan State Capitol, it involved one of the three main militia groups imputed to 1-6, namely the three percenters, And just as the cherry on top, the head of the Detroit field office, who oversaw this Michigan Fed infiltration operation, was later promoted to D.C., where he went on to oversee the January 6th investigations.

00:11:15.000 Well, it is a false flag operation, in essence.

00:11:18.000 Right, precisely.

00:11:20.000 Van was a false flag.

00:11:22.000 Ray Epps was a false flag.

00:11:24.000 In a lot of ways, you know, Stuart Rhodes and his involvement raises many of these serious questions.

00:11:30.000 Precisely.

00:11:31.000 And what's brilliant in the revolver piece is you actually have some of the timestamped video that shows how these people were all doing very distinct things.

00:11:41.000 And, you know, in your prior coverage of Ray Epps, You raise the question, well, how did this person come all the way from Arizona to Washington, D.C., presumably to hear Donald Trump speak?

00:11:52.000 But as Trump is speaking, you've actually got video of Ray Epps at the breach site.

00:11:58.000 Let's play that video and get your reaction.

00:12:01.000 So can we come up?

00:12:03.000 Yeah, who's side are you on?

00:12:06.000 Constitution?

00:12:07.000 Constitution?

00:12:08.000 Or the government.

00:12:09.000 Because they're not the same thing.

00:12:13.000 I'm not picking on them, but you know what?

00:12:18.000 Noted.

00:12:19.000 All right, noted.

00:12:20.000 Okay, but one more thing.

00:12:20.000 Yeah, so can we go up there?

00:12:22.000 No?

00:12:23.000 When we go in, leave this year.

00:12:26.000 You don't need to get shot.

00:12:27.000 Can you arrest us all?

00:12:28.000 And so now, Darren, react to just sort of the methodical nature of Ray Epps being there at the breach site and the significance of that geography.

00:12:37.000 Right.

00:12:38.000 Yes.

00:12:39.000 So this is the initial breach site.

00:12:41.000 This is the fateful and first breach event.

00:12:44.000 It occurred on 1253 p.m., so well before Trump.

00:12:50.000 I've finished his speech, which is important to note, because the people who were there breaking down these barriers, cutting down the fencing, they weren't at the Trump speech, because Trump was speaking as this was going on.

00:13:03.000 They were creating the conditions such that when the Trump people The significance of Epps being right at that breach site,

00:13:29.000 literally two seconds before the breach, he whispers in someone's ear who goes and breaks down the metal barricades.

00:13:36.000 This needs to be understood in the context of Epps' activities for the previous 24 hours.

00:13:42.000 Because the most famous video of Epps is on January 5th, in the evening, going to all types of different groups, stating explicitly, we need to go into the Capitol tomorrow.

00:13:55.000 We need to go into the Capitol.

00:13:56.000 I'm going to put it out there.

00:13:57.000 I'm probably going to go to jail for it, okay?

00:13:59.000 Tomorrow, we need to go into the Capitol!

00:14:03.000 Into the Capitol!

00:14:09.000 Peacefully!

00:14:10.000 Fair!

00:14:15.000 The mountains of video documentary evidence on January 5th and 6th, this is the only guy we have on tape, dead to rights, explicitly calling for this bizarre mission to go into the Capitol.

00:14:29.000 And people treat it as bizarre.

00:14:31.000 They said, what are you talking about?

00:14:32.000 Going into the Capitol?

00:14:33.000 You must be a Fed.

00:14:34.000 What's going on?

00:14:35.000 But it turns out he wasn't just some random drunk guy who had a crazy idea and we never heard from him.

00:14:40.000 He followed up on his stated mission On January 6th, a Where's Waldo figure everywhere around the Capitol, reminding people, go into the Capitol.

00:14:50.000 After the rally, go to the Capitol.

00:14:52.000 That's where our problems are.

00:14:53.000 As soon as President Trump is finished speaking, we are going to the Capitol.

00:14:58.000 It's that direction.

00:14:59.000 That's where our true problems lie.

00:15:01.000 When President Trump is done speaking, we are going to the Capitol.

00:15:04.000 That's where our problems lie.

00:15:07.000 Okay, folks, we need your help.

00:15:09.000 As soon as President Trump stops speaking, we are going to the Capitol.

00:15:14.000 The Capitol is in that direction.

00:15:16.000 Let people know.

00:15:17.000 Spread the word.

00:15:19.000 And sure enough, right at the initial breach site, that fateful first breach event at 12.53 p.m., he's right there and whispers into someone's ear and two seconds later, we have the very first and decisive breach.

00:15:33.000 So and this guy, Ray Epps, he was originally, as I said, on the FBI's 20 most wanted list for January 6th.

00:15:41.000 They claimed to be so interested in him when the Internet identified who he was.

00:15:46.000 And the day after Revolver.News ran a report on his fellow former fellow Oathkeeper, Stuart Rhodes, the FBI scrubbed his name and his face from their public database. And since then, their only pronouncements regarding Ray Epps is to pretend like they don't know who he is. And this is the most sweeping investigation ever, right?

00:16:08.000 We've heard from senior officials at the Department of Justice and the FBI that they'll turn over every stone.

00:16:13.000 They were ransacking the home of some boomers in Homer, Alaska.

00:16:18.000 But somehow, Ray Epps, who methodically is trying to get people into the Capitol, doesn't seem to face those same tough questions.

00:16:26.000 But could Ray Epps's mission been accomplished alone?

00:16:29.000 I think your reporting suggests that it could not have.

00:16:32.000 It required people Like Blaskey, Mask Eye, and I want you to take a moment and talk about Fence Cutter, because right as you got Trump not even done with his speech yet, you have someone who seems almost emotionally detached from the circumstances around them, removing the fencing so that future people who would arrive at the Capitol would be unsuspecting of that having been a barrier.

00:16:56.000 What do we know about the Fence Cutter, Darren?

00:16:58.000 Exactly.

00:16:59.000 And look, so, I mean, people have different degrees of investment in this story, different degrees of knowledge in this story.

00:17:05.000 I think one really powerful thing about this latest Revolver.News report is to a large degree, the video evidence speaks for itself.

00:17:13.000 Like nobody can watch those videos And come to a basic, a common sense, objective conclusion that there isn't something severely off here.

00:17:23.000 But of course, we need to put together the evidence into a story, a narrative of what was actually taking place.

00:17:30.000 And as you suggest, there's no way Ray Epps was acting alone.

00:17:33.000 That's just not how the Feds do things. 0.97

00:17:35.000 There are multiple people in place.

00:17:38.000 And one tell that applies to Epps and these other people is the contrast, the profound contrast between the radical nature of what they're doing, demanding people go into the Capitol, cutting down fencing and so forth, and the emotional detachment, the cool, methodical, professional manner in which they conduct themselves.

00:17:59.000 It would be one thing for people to get caught up in the crowd psychology and just go angry and crazy and just flail about and do something wild.

00:18:09.000 It's another to see that cool, detached, professional, methodical manner of operating.

00:18:15.000 You see that in Epps and you see that in this other guy who, again, he's not at the Trump rally.

00:18:20.000 He's there at the Capitol cutting down fences methodically and removing the fences such that when the Trump crowd gets there at the direction of Ray Epps and others like him, they're not going to see any barriers and they're going to have no idea that they're technically committing a criminal offense.

00:18:36.000 And then you have this other individual that I think is a Ray Epps-sized scandal in its own right, scaffold commander, who's there with his bullhorn repeatedly and constantly saying, Move forward!

00:18:48.000 Move forward!

00:18:49.000 Please help!

00:18:50.000 Move forward!

00:18:51.000 Move forward!

00:18:52.000 Climb up over the wall!

00:18:54.000 Get into those bleachers!

00:18:56.000 Don't just stand there!

00:18:58.000 Move forward!

00:19:00.000 Move forward!

00:19:02.000 Help somebody over the wall! 0.99

00:19:04.000 Help somebody over the wall! 0.99

00:19:06.000 Move forward!

00:19:08.000 Now, when we go to the organizations, the front-end destruction and the people who run them, it becomes louder or better.

00:19:14.000 Just as the basic of crowd psychology, you get there with a crowd, you hear a repeated, continuous, authoritative voice from a bullhorn saying move forward.

00:19:24.000 You move forward.

00:19:25.000 You don't know if something happened in the crowd and they need you to clear up space.

00:19:29.000 You obey.

00:19:30.000 And so, it just...

00:19:32.000 All of these pieces are in place to engineer this scenario where there would be a riot, where people would be at the Capitol grounds and there would be ultimate breach of the Capitol.

00:19:41.000 And when the Capitol building itself was breached, the same guy with the bullhorn is saying, we need to fill up the Capitol.

00:19:48.000 Fill it up right now.

00:19:49.000 Come on.

00:19:49.000 We need more people.

00:19:50.000 Please help.

00:19:51.000 Fill up the Capitol.

00:19:52.000 Okay, we're in.

00:19:53.000 We're in.

00:19:54.000 Come on.

00:19:54.000 We've got to fill up the Capitol.

00:19:56.000 Come on.

00:19:59.000 We need help.

00:20:05.000 He's up on the top of the scaffold with his bullhorn, yet another person who showed up right at the peace monument early on before anyone else, along with these other figures, and yet another person who's unindicted completely.

00:20:20.000 And Scaffold Commander doesn't seem to just have a tactical role here.

00:20:24.000 He seems to have a leadership role commanding this group of people.

00:20:28.000 So you can start to see how sort of the different instruments of the Fed's erection start to come together as one orchestra.

00:20:35.000 The night before, you've got Ray Epps with this professional focus on entering the Capitol.

00:20:40.000 You've got black ski mask guy saying, we have to take that ground.

00:20:44.000 We have to go inside.

00:20:45.000 Then you've got the fence coming down, and then you've got this loud voice from the scaffold commander.

00:20:50.000 I don't even know how he gets up there, how he gets a bullhorn that seems to look a lot like the bullhorns that are elsewhere in the crowd.

00:20:58.000 What do we know, Darren, about the federal government's pursuit of scaffold commander?

00:21:06.000 Well, as far as I know, there's been no pursuit whatsoever.

00:21:11.000 There's been no arrests.

00:21:13.000 There's been nothing.

00:21:14.000 Which is remarkable because, again, it's not just that he happens to be a guy on the scaffold calling for people to move forward and go into the Capitol.

00:21:23.000 He fits that precise pattern of the key individuals who are just hanging out, loitering right by the peace monument, right nearby the site where that initial breach occurred at 1253. He's hanging out there,

00:21:40.000 provoking law enforcement very early on in the day I see a person around her Are you thinking about it?

00:21:55.000 We've got it!

00:21:56.000 We see you pacing!

00:21:57.000 Are you thinking about it?

00:21:59.000 And he, like the others who are hanging out at the same place at the same time early before everyone, before the Proud Boys contingent even arrived at the initial breach site, and it's the official story that the Proud Boys kicked everything off.

00:22:12.000 And yet, you have this collection of individuals hanging out at this very spot before the Proud Boys even got there, who all went on to play decisive roles in engineering The riot of January 6th.

00:22:26.000 And all of these people, unlike many of the Proud Boys, are unindicted and even unsearched.

00:22:34.000 So what's the motive, Darren?

00:22:35.000 I mean, if the federal government didn't just have one person, but had almost a cadre of people doing very specific things to ensnare a bunch of people who thought they were part of a rally or a march or a peaceful protest in this investigation, it seems like a lot of effort and resource was put into it.

00:22:55.000 To what end?

00:22:57.000 Well, that's a great question.

00:22:58.000 And before I get to that, I'd just like to very briefly state that not only is it overwhelmingly likely that there are multiple feds, that Ray Epps is not acting alone, that there are multiple feds, but I would suspect it's overwhelmingly likely that multiple different federal agencies had people in place And there very likely wasn't a centralized coordination and communication between those various agencies.

00:23:26.000 So I would not be shocked at all if, you know, when all is said and done, it turns out that the FBI had people there, the JTTF had people there, Army Counterintelligence had people there, DHS had people there, and they may not have necessarily known what the other people are doing.

00:23:42.000 In fact, just two days ago, Newsweek came out with a report That the DOJ, the acting Attorney General, unilaterally authorized this highly classified, top-secret, shoot-to-kill commando force.

00:23:57.000 To go to the Capitol on January 6th on the basis of some bizarre intelligence that they received regarding weapons of mass destruction.

00:24:05.000 I'm not even kidding.

00:24:07.000 This Newsweek came out with this piece a couple days ago, and they didn't communicate this to the Capitol Police or other law enforcement agencies.

00:24:13.000 And that's reporting from Newsweek, and we know that fairly well now.

00:24:20.000 There's a lot of different actors involved from a lot of different government agencies, I would say.

00:24:26.000 What's the purpose?

00:24:27.000 Well, the purpose is political.

00:24:29.000 I mean, we have to understand the broader context here.

00:24:32.000 The broader context is to feed into the agenda whereby anyone who is a Trump supporter or adjacent to Trump support or even in the most remote sense of being an objector to the agenda and direction of our corrupt regime, anyone who fits into that category doesn't completely comply and fall into line is by extension, by implication, a domestic tax.

00:25:03.000 And therefore the government can justify its movement to marshal the full weight and influence and force of the national security apparatus domestically in order to crush this alleged national security threat of people who hold political opinions that are inconvenient for the people who control our country.

00:25:24.000 It would be one of the greatest scandals in our nation's history, and it is unfolding before our very eyes.

00:25:31.000 Part of the Republican response to all of this concerns me, Darren.

00:25:36.000 Republican leadership tells our members, you know, we should spend January 6th talking about Pelosi's failures and not marshalling sufficient Defenses and why weren't there more National Guard on call and why didn't we protect the capital more?

00:25:50.000 What I worry about that is it seems to justify that enhanced utilization of the national security infrastructure against our people and far more productive to actually get to the truth.

00:26:02.000 Would be to issue the subpoenas to people like Ray Epps, to identify people like Scaffold Commander, to get to the bottom of any records created on January 5th for the hippies for Trump bus.

00:26:14.000 Do you worry that an overemphasis on, well, Pelosi just wasn't defensive and prepared enough might really miss the point and distract us from the pursuit of the truth that is so necessary in this scandal?

00:26:28.000 That's an excellent point.

00:26:29.000 I'm really, really happy that you raised that point.

00:26:32.000 And it really underscores the general proposition that the narrative matters so much.

00:26:39.000 Before Revolver.News is reporting, the narrative on 1-6 from the right It fit into two categories.

00:26:47.000 One category was, oh, you know, these are leftists.

00:26:51.000 These are Antifa infiltrators.

00:26:53.000 And the second category is, oh, the people are largely harmless.

00:26:57.000 Now, there could be truth to both of those narratives.

00:26:59.000 I'm not discounting those entirely.

00:27:01.000 But it was only when revolvers shifted the narrative to, wait a minute, This looks like the government doing exactly what it's been doing for decades now.

00:27:11.000 And it fits all the patterns and there's a tremendous amount of evidence that this is the best explanation.

00:27:16.000 It's not Antifa.

00:27:18.000 It's not the left.

00:27:20.000 It's not Nancy Pelosi.

00:27:21.000 This is the national security apparatus doing what it's done to the American people for decades.

00:27:29.000 That is an extremely subversive narrative.

00:27:32.000 It happens to be true, but it's extremely subversive because it can't simply be dismissed away or dissipated or neutralized in the bread and circuses performative nonsense of typical, you know, partisan politics narratives.

00:27:50.000 And that's why I think, like, the Nancy Pelosi stuff, I'm not a fan of Nancy Pelosi.

00:27:55.000 She may have had some idea of what was going on and just tacitly knew to keep out of it and to not call for more security.

00:28:02.000 But to make her a... 1.00

00:28:04.000 Primary figure of all of this, given the political avatar that she is, like, we might as well blame it all on AOC and her dress, because it's equally ridiculous, it's equally weak, it's equally a part of this universe of bread and circuses nonsense political discourse, 0.99

00:28:24.000 and if we do that, the actual perpetrators, the actual evil forces that We'll laugh all the way to the next plot against the American people unopposed.

00:28:39.000 And so that's why Revolver.News, myself, you, everyone who's been brave and discerning enough to focus persistently on this one narrative that they don't want you to touch.

00:28:51.000 The FBI involvement, the government involvement narrative, that's why we've got so much incoming, because the powers that be would love for nobody to talk about it at all.

00:29:01.000 The second best is for it to be caught up in the typical bread and circuses of dumb political discourse, partisan discourse.

00:29:08.000 What they don't want is for us to talk about it the way we're talking about it now, and that's why they've been so freaked out and pushed back so hard and tried to silence us so vigorously.

00:29:19.000 And it is uncomfortable.

00:29:21.000 And frankly, Darren, I think that if we talk to a thousand regular Americans out in the country, there probably wouldn't be too many of them that think about January 6th one way or the other as a principal element of their daily life or something that informs on their quality of life to a great degree.

00:29:40.000 And so there is this real binary question that will present to Republicans if we take power after the next election.

00:29:46.000 What to do with the January 6th committee? 0.98

00:29:49.000 There was certainly a time where I thought, just disband the darn thing. 0.81

00:29:53.000 Let's get to solving people's actual problems. 0.95

00:29:55.000 Let's get to making their lives better.

00:29:58.000 But after the most recent report from Revolver.News, I don't think we can disband the January 6th committee.

00:30:04.000 I think we have to take over the January 6th committee, issue subpoenas, bring Ray Epps forward, use the best technology to identify these people like Scaffold Commander, like Fence Cutter, like Black Ski Mask Guy, and put the truth, however uncomfortable it may be, before the entire and put the truth, however uncomfortable it may be, before the Do you think that Republicans need to make that commitment regarding January 6th to our voters and really just to the essence of the truth?

00:30:31.000 Absolutely.

00:30:32.000 I think...

00:30:33.000 There needs to be a real committee investigating this and using real authority to get to the bottom of this.

00:30:40.000 And we need to be able to take control of the committee in order for that to happen.

00:30:46.000 Until that happens, the committee is just a political clown show, an element of political theater that exists to obfuscate the truth about 1-6 and to aggressively promote the very dangerous political issues Narrative that was the purpose of the 1-6 setup in the first place, which is to demonize half the American people as de facto domestic terrorists.

00:31:10.000 Through the valiant efforts of yourself and other brave members of Congress, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massey and others.

00:31:20.000 I think we can have some real progress on that side.

00:31:23.000 But until there's full control over the committee, my sense now is that a productive avenue to get to the bottom of things is actually through the various defense counsels for January 6th defendants.

00:31:36.000 Who can use their capacity as defense counsels to demand potentially exculpatory evidence, to demand evidence that could point to entrapment.

00:31:47.000 That's what the defense counsel is doing in the Michigan case.

00:31:50.000 And I'm pleased to report that a defense counsel for Kelly Meggs, who is an oath keeper who's been charged, has put forth I think we can start to see progress as well from the Defense Council,

00:32:11.000 who's also starting to take up this idea of, hmm, what really happened here was much darker than we ever expected, and they do have some power and authority in their legal capacity to get to the bottom of this as well.

00:32:25.000 We will be following that litigation closely, and I think we have to make a commitment to expose these uncomfortable truths wherever they may bring us.

00:32:34.000 You know what?

00:32:34.000 I've learned, if you give it enough time, three things that always show themselves.

00:32:39.000 The sun, the moon, and the truth.

00:32:42.000 Thank you for exposing the truth on Revolver.News.

00:32:44.000 I am proud to take the body of your reporting work, place it into the congressional record, So here we

00:33:15.000 are, Marjorie.

00:33:16.000 January 6th, we're in Washington, D.C., manning our post.

00:33:20.000 And I guess one thing that has always been kind of bizarre to me, why do you think Democrats are so obsessed with this day?

00:33:28.000 I mean, you know, back in Florida and Georgia, people are worried about their families, their jobs, their freedoms and liberties.

00:33:35.000 As they should be.

00:33:36.000 And Democrats in Washington act like this is the end all be all.

00:33:41.000 And I just I just wonder why that is.

00:33:44.000 Well, I'm pretty amazed with it too, Matt.

00:33:46.000 Actually, you know, if Democrats cared about riots, they would have done everything they could have done to stop all the riots over the summer of 2020. They would have rescued American businesses.

00:33:55.000 They would have protected federal courthouses.

00:33:58.000 They would have put the National Guard In front of police officers that were trying to stop all the violence in the streets from BLM, but they don't care about riots and they don't care about the riot that happened here at the Capitol on January 6 last year.

00:34:11.000 What they care about is they care about drama, they care about theatrics, and they care about creating an image That they can try to sell through the media who's completely bought in to convince the American people that an insurrection happened here in Washington when it didn't happen.

00:34:27.000 It wasn't done by the people.

00:34:28.000 There was a riot here.

00:34:29.000 It was violence.

00:34:30.000 You and I didn't like it.

00:34:32.000 But the real insurrectionists, I think, are the Democrats because of what they're doing to our country and how they are completely perverting The Constitution and Congress and what it's set up to be.

00:34:43.000 And I'm really glad I'm here with you today and I wish that there was more of our conference with us.

00:34:48.000 Well, and let's think about that because, you know, the standard Republican thinking on this day is, you know, hide under your bed, hope the day passes, sort of survive and live through it. 0.96

00:35:00.000 And there was a time I definitely thought, you know, when we take power, one of the things I'm most looking forward to is disbanding this stupid committee and getting on with the work of the people.

00:35:09.000 But the more we seem to uncover about the federal government's own involvement with January 6th, The more I'm thinking we might have to own this day, own finding the truth for our constituents. 0.99

00:35:22.000 So do you fall more on the side of this is dumb, this is a stupid obsession, let's get over it? 0.97

00:35:27.000 Or do you think we actually have to ask some very tough questions about what the FBI and DOJ were doing? 0.99

00:35:36.000 involved with people on those grounds.

00:35:38.000 We have to send subpoenas to people like Ray Epps.

00:35:41.000 We have to find out who the scaffold commander is.

00:35:44.000 I mean, you know, which side of this are you on?

00:35:47.000 Do we have to get those answers or do we just move on from this?

00:35:51.000 Well, you're asking at the right time.

00:35:53.000 I'm fresh off of being permanently suspended on Twitter.

00:35:56.000 So I'm ready to rip the whole thing wide open and expose everything.

00:35:59.000 I don't think we do away with this at all.

00:36:01.000 I think we dig deeper into it and find out what happened with Governor Whitmer and how was the FBI involved?

00:36:07.000 I think we go even further and go, how was the FBI, the Department of Justice, or any of our agencies involved in what happened on January 6th?

00:36:14.000 I want to know why on January 3rd, they were training, they had these groups, I mean, incredibly trained military So, you know, Matt, I think you brought up the right questions.

00:36:37.000 We want to know why didn't we see Ray Epps in the D.C. jail?

00:36:41.000 Why isn't he being held in solitary confinement for months on end when other people are?

00:36:48.000 And who is scaffold commander and why did he position himself at the top of that scaffolding right at the peace gate directly above Ray Epps where they were commanding people to go into the Capitol, go into the Capitol, and they were there before President Trump even finished his speech.

00:37:04.000 So yeah, I'm game on.

00:37:06.000 Let's rip it wide open and find out what's happening.

00:37:08.000 You mentioned the January 6th detainees, and there are a lot of Americans today who will think, gosh, you know, are these folks being treated unfairly, unjustly?

00:37:17.000 Are they being deprived of their constitutional rights?

00:37:20.000 And when all of the conventional thinking in Washington, D.C. was to have Republicans not talk about that.

00:37:26.000 You really took on civil rights and constitutional rights as your cause.

00:37:32.000 And you produced an oversight report for the entire Congress that now we've put into the congressional record that exposed a lot of stuff there.

00:37:40.000 What gave you the instinct to speak up for those folks when it seemed like everybody else was just willing to abandon them?

00:37:47.000 Well, you were with me.

00:37:48.000 Well, but you led it.

00:37:49.000 I mean, in all honesty, you led that effort and you were the catalyst for it.

00:37:53.000 Well, I'm grateful for the support you gave and you went with me.

00:37:57.000 I think you and I both care about our country and we care about our Constitution and we care about due process.

00:38:03.000 I mean, here you studied and you're an attorney, so it's something that you've seen up front and been involved in.

00:38:10.000 The due process, it's an incredible thing.

00:38:13.000 Being presumed innocent before you're proven guilty.

00:38:17.000 Pre-trial defendants, they have rights, but yet their rights are being completely abused.

00:38:22.000 And we're seeing a real two-tiered justice system in America that we can't allow to stand regardless of the crimes they committed.

00:38:30.000 Because we have an institution for a reason.

00:38:33.000 And we've got to do everything we can to protect it.

00:38:35.000 So this is important to me, but I think it's important to all Americans because everywhere I go, you know, people are angry about inflation.

00:38:43.000 They're really mad at it.

00:38:44.000 And people are so mad at the border, but they're used to it because it's been going on so long.

00:38:49.000 And they don't want to see any of the things that are happening.

00:38:52.000 But what they're very upset about is they're very upset about what's happening to these people in jail.

00:38:57.000 And they're so upset about what is happening to our country and who are the Democrats really?

00:39:03.000 And what are they going to do with COVID? And when does it ever stop?

00:39:07.000 And so these are the things that people care about most.

00:39:10.000 They don't care about, ooh, take back the majority.

00:39:13.000 Yeah, we want to take back the majority, but we want to do something with it.

00:39:16.000 Well, Jim Jordan has made the commitment on this podcast publicly that if he is the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, he will establish an oversight and investigation subcommittee that can review the border, the Department of Justice, the FBI, the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

00:39:32.000 I don't want to put you on the spot, but would that be the type of assignment that would be of interest to you, being that that is an issue portfolio you've already built out in the absence of that committee assignment?

00:39:42.000 Absolutely, Matt.

00:39:43.000 You know, I've been committee-less the entire time I've been here pretty much.

00:39:46.000 Yes, that would be the type of committee work that I would like to take on.

00:39:50.000 And I think the American people would like for me to be involved in that.

00:39:53.000 Oh, I think that you've really used a lot of the tools that committees have, even in the absence of that.

00:39:59.000 And frankly, a lot of people are grateful that the truth is coming out.

00:40:02.000 And speaking the truth is, I think, what got you banned from Twitter, admonished by Facebook.

00:40:09.000 And what's crazy to me, a lot of people are talking finally now about how unfair that was to you.

00:40:14.000 I think we had to encourage some of our Republican colleagues to speak out with particularity about you and how unfair that was to you.

00:40:22.000 But no one really talks about the substance of what you were saying that is, in many cases, fundamentally accurate.

00:40:29.000 You got a strike from Twitter for saying that if people were less obese, they would be less frail to COVID. Is that something that's really in dispute anymore?

00:40:39.000 Well, it's very offensive to Twitter, but I want to dig a little deeper into this because I've done some research and uncovered some things that really bother me.

00:40:47.000 You know, COVID misinformation, that isn't what Twitter is set up for.

00:40:53.000 This is a platform where people are supposed to be able to speak their mind, share their ideas, communicate, socialize even.

00:40:59.000 And for us, as members of Congress, this is a place where we debate political speech.

00:41:04.000 Now, here, me putting out information from the CDC.gov, the VAERS system, where people are self-reporting vaccine injury and death.

00:41:13.000 This is something that absolutely should be talked about, especially by members of Congress, because we provide oversight over all of our government, right?

00:41:22.000 This is what we do.

00:41:23.000 And so for me to be suspended for tweeting things like that, that is a huge red flag.

00:41:28.000 And I also want to point something out about my permanent Twitter suspension.

00:41:34.000 President Trump was kicked off before me and now I have been kicked off and we are both the same kind of Republican and we have the same type of support from the American people all over this country.

00:41:46.000 So what does that say?

00:41:48.000 That means Twitter hates a certain type of Republican They hate you too, Matt, and they're probably either going to come for an event.

00:41:53.000 Oh, I've been shadow banned, and frankly, they're dropping the shadow more and more each day.

00:41:58.000 But I think you were punished by that platform because you challenged the regime.

00:42:04.000 You challenged the regime's thinking.

00:42:06.000 And we ought to live in a world where we think enough of our fellow Americans to confront challenging topics and to review data and to discuss it.

00:42:15.000 And then have the best ideas and policies and practices emerge from those debates.

00:42:21.000 And, you know, you've never been afraid of that.

00:42:23.000 You would take on CNN your first day here at one of my favorite press conferences you've ever done.

00:42:27.000 And it just seems like we live in a world where the left wants to constrain that thought and constrain that truth and define the truth themselves.

00:42:36.000 You know, that legislatively, There are two different schools of Republican thinking on this.

00:42:42.000 One is we use the power of the legislative branch to break up these companies, to force them to abide by the values that undergird our Constitution.

00:42:52.000 And another is to simply serve up a series of questions to the judicial branch.

00:42:57.000 What branch of government?

00:42:59.000 And frankly, I had the perspective when Trump was president that we ought to have the FEC and the FCC kind of from the executive side go after them.

00:43:06.000 But like, is there a branch of government that you think is best suited to take on this challenge?

00:43:12.000 See, that one's hard for me because I'm not a big government person.

00:43:15.000 So I have a really hard time.

00:43:18.000 This is the rub.

00:43:19.000 That's the core issue.

00:43:20.000 Here's what I want to point out to you.

00:43:22.000 So there is something bigger going on with my Twitter suspension that we haven't had a chance to talk about You see, it's not just Democrats that work at Twitter that don't like my political speech, President Trump's political speech, your political speech, and then, gosh, the countless conservative Americans that have been kicked off.

00:43:39.000 There's Republicans there, too, that don't like it.

00:43:41.000 And we both know that in this town, in Washington, D.C., it's the Democrats and then those rhino Republicans together really are the worst enemy to the American people. 0.97

00:43:53.000 Something that's really important is to understand that Jack Dorsey was recently pushed out by someone that moved in there, and I think it's important for us to start digging into where do these donations go, these people that sit on the board, and who do they donate to?

00:44:07.000 Which Democrats?

00:44:08.000 Most of them donate to Democrats, but there's some people there that donate to Republicans.

00:44:13.000 And if so, what kind of Republican are they and why is their political speech chosen by the establishment media and by platforms like Twitter and Facebook?

00:44:24.000 And then if you challenge, say that kind of Republican, like I did when I tweeted about Dan Crenshaw just within an hour.

00:44:33.000 So you think that you being critical of Crenshaw from a policy standpoint, it wasn't a personal attack.

00:44:39.000 It was a dispute about the right way to use government to collect information, to administer vaccines.

00:44:47.000 You were making a policy point.

00:44:50.000 Yes.

00:44:50.000 Do you think that tweet informed on the punishment they dished out?

00:44:54.000 Well, Dan Crenshaw was on Fox News and he was talking about using FEMA to increase this testing for COVID, for coughs and sneezes and runny noses that President Joe Biden wants to implement on the American people just to keep counting cases.

00:45:11.000 And Dan Crenshaw was talking about using FEMA for that.

00:45:14.000 And then he was also talking about sending FEMA into hospitals Where they are very short on healthcare workers, but yet healthcare workers have been fired.

00:45:23.000 The ones that worked on the front lines that are unvaccinated.

00:45:26.000 Connect that to the punishment.

00:45:27.000 Okay.

00:45:28.000 So what I tweeted about was I disagreed with him.

00:45:30.000 I disagreed with that policy.

00:45:33.000 And as a member of Congress, I disagreed with my Republican colleague that we should be using government resources that way.

00:45:39.000 Most Republicans, especially Republican voters, Do not want FEMA testing sites and they do not want FEMA in the hospitals.

00:45:46.000 They want to see the unvaccinated healthcare workers hired back and these people to be able to provide for their families and do the job that they did, especially when people were really dying from COVID. I disagreed with him on that and I pointed out that his policies were not conservative.

00:46:01.000 That was hurting the conservative brand.

00:46:03.000 Within an hour, I was kicked off of Twitter You know, I've talked a lot about COVID on Twitter, but so have many others.

00:46:10.000 And I've noticed that a lot of their Twitter pages are still there and they've said the same thing I said about bears and other things about COVID. But when I looked further and checked into the donations and the people that sit on the board and the people that are so powerful that they're able to push Jack Dorsey out of his own company.

00:46:27.000 Are you talking about Paul Singer?

00:46:29.000 Yeah.

00:46:30.000 I found out he's a big donor.

00:46:31.000 The singerization of Twitter.

00:46:32.000 Yeah, and he's a big donor to Dan Crenshaw, but he's not a fan of me, and he's not a fan of President Trump either.

00:46:38.000 Well, we're not for everyone, but I think we should be able to make our point on matters of policy difference without getting the Twitter death penalty.

00:46:48.000 Well, you know what?

00:46:49.000 A message to Twitter.

00:46:51.000 When Nancy Pelosi took you off those committees, she made you one of the most powerful people in the House of Representatives. 0.98

00:46:56.000 Twitter kicking you off may make you one of the most powerful people on all of the internet.

00:46:59.000 Thanks for asking the tough questions.

00:47:01.000 Thanks for being here in Washington, D.C. on January 6th.

00:47:04.000 We're about to hop over and be on Steve Bannon's War Room Podcast and join us there.

00:47:09.000 We'll be answering even more questions.

00:47:11.000 Thanks, Marjorie.

Firebrand - Matt Gaetz - January 06, 2022

Episode 21: Fedsurrection (feat. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Darren Beattie) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

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