Firebrand - Matt Gaetz


Episode 22: Global Domination (feat. Raheem Kassam) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz


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In this episode of Firebrand, I sit down with Rahim Kassam, co-host of the National Post Podcast and co-creator of the Bannon's War Room podcast, to discuss the current events unfolding around the world, including the scandal surrounding Boris Johnson's boozy party in Downing Street, and the growing number of calls for him to resign from his position as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Rahim also shares his perspective on the current state of politics in the United States and around the globe, and why it s so important to have a healthy dose of the populist right in the midst of the current political climate. Firebrand is a production of Native Creative Podcasts. New episodes drop every Tuesday morning, wherever you get your podcasts, including Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Pocketcasts, and Stitcher. Subscribe, Like, and Share to stay up to date with what s going on in the culture and politics of the moment. Music: Fair Weather Fans by The Baseball Project, Recorded live at WFMU and produced by Riley Braydon Hill and the Vigilante. Art: Mackenzie Moore Music: Hayden Coplen Editor: Joseph McDade Additional Compositions: Ian Dorsch Cover art by Ian McKellen Art Credit: Jeff Perla Logo by Geoff Tuchman Theme Music: "Goodbye Outer Space" by Suneaters, by Haley Shaw - Music: Jeff Kaale - "Space Traveler" - "Outer - "Incompte" & "Outtro: "Let's Talk About Us" by Fountains - "Good Morning America" by Ian McElroy , "Outro: "Solo" by Jeff Perlan, "Feat. - "The Real" by John Singleton (feat. & Jon Foreman, "The Good, the Bad, the Good, The Bad, The Great, The Wrong, The Good, & The Bad & The Other One" -- "The Other" , "The Great, the White House - "Mr. & The Others" by Roberta - "Noah" & , & "The White House -- "A Good Morning, The Right, The Other" -- "Soleil & The Great" -- "Fucking Good, " by , and "The Wrong, the Wrong, "


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00:00:01.000 The embattled Congressman Matt Gaetz.
00:00:03.000 Matt Gaetz was one of the very few members in the entire Congress who bothered to stand up against permanent Washington on behalf of his constituents.
00:00:10.000 Matt Gaetz right now, he's a problem in the Democratic Party, and he could cause a lot of hiccups in passing applause.
00:00:16.000 So we're going to keep running those stories to keep hurting him.
00:00:20.000 If you stand for the flag and kneel in prayer, if you want to build America up and not burn her to the ground, then welcome, my fellow patriots.
00:00:29.000 You are in the right place.
00:00:30.000 This is the movement for you.
00:00:32.000 You ever watch this guy on television?
00:00:35.000 It's like a machine.
00:00:36.000 Matt Gaetz.
00:00:37.000 I'm a canceled man in some corners of the internet.
00:00:40.000 Many days, I'm a marked man in Congress, a wanted man by the deep state.
00:00:45.000 They aren't really coming for me.
00:00:47.000 They're coming for you.
00:00:49.000 I'm just in the way.
00:00:53.000 Is he now going to do the decent thing and resign?
00:00:58.000 The famously unflappable Boris Johnson, the great political survivor, has finally flinched.
00:01:06.000 He was hosting a boozy party.
00:01:11.000 In Downing Street.
00:01:12.000 After an outpouring of condemnation for attending what critics allege was a bring-your-own-bottle party at his official residence, 10 Downing Street in May, while the country was under strict COVID rules.
00:01:25.000 The Prime Minister says he saw it as a work event, but finally made an apology of sorts.
00:01:31.000 Even if it could be said technically to fall within the guidance, there would be millions and millions of people Who simply would not see it that way.
00:01:43.000 And to them and to this House, I offer my heartfelt apologies.
00:01:47.000 Without actually admitting to wrongdoing and citing a pending investigation, his apology stoking even more anger.
00:01:55.000 It's a potentially lethal blow to Johnson and a scandal that's made casualties of top advisers and staff.
00:02:02.000 I'm truly sorry.
00:02:04.000 Now he's losing the support of his own party with calls for his resignation.
00:02:11.000 Welcome back to Firebrand.
00:02:13.000 I'm Congressman Matt Gaetz.
00:02:14.000 As a consequence of Joe Biden's failed leadership in the world, a rising China, globalist institutions flexing their muscle, pro-lockdown politicians ascendant, the world is on fire right now.
00:02:28.000 And I could not have a better guest to discuss those issues than the guy I'm about to introduce.
00:02:34.000 You know him as the co-creator, co-host of Bannon's War Room Podcast, the editor-in-chief of the National Pulse, nationalpulse.com, place I go daily to get my news, and also the co-host of the National Post Podcast, Rahim Kassam.
00:02:52.000 Rahim, thank you so much for joining me.
00:02:54.000 Great to have you on Firebrand.
00:02:56.000 Thank you for having me.
00:02:57.000 It's been a long time coming, I feel like.
00:02:59.000 Well, I really view you as one of the top information operatives on the populist right, and you may resent and reject that characterization.
00:03:08.000 But really, globally, you seem to see a lot of these trends as they're unfolding, and with events unfolding as fast as they are today, I can't wait to get your perspective on a number of things.
00:03:17.000 But for those who don't know, Rahim was really the guy who was the catchment apparatus for all of the energy that was behind Brexit.
00:03:25.000 You know, for many years, there had been a populist movement in Britain, but really no infrastructure to support big election wins like you saw in Brexit.
00:03:34.000 And I remember traveling around the country campaigning with Nigel Farage during the last presidential election, and he talked about how you would sit in the pubs in Britain, in London, and you would listen to the discourse and use that as part of the Cauldron to churn out speeches and op-eds and press releases.
00:03:53.000 And now as we see, you know, the UK, I think, revert to its establishment mean in Boris Johnson in much the way the United States has reverted to an establishment mean in Joe Biden.
00:04:05.000 I wonder what you think about kind of what you see in the politics of the UK at this time.
00:04:11.000 What's an amazing question for somebody like me, because I will try and bend anybody's ear off about what's happening in the United Kingdom right now.
00:04:18.000 So thank you for that.
00:04:20.000 I mean, predominantly, the way you surmised it is correct.
00:04:23.000 In a post-Brexit world, you had the Conservative Party, which is by no means conservative.
00:04:30.000 It's just a moniker nowadays.
00:04:33.000 We try to re-establish itself as the electoral force in the United Kingdom.
00:04:40.000 And they did a pretty good job of it.
00:04:41.000 Boris Johnson got a whopping 80-seat majority in the House of Commons.
00:04:46.000 It meant that he could basically rule as he wanted to, introduce whatever legislation that he or his wife, which I'll get into in a second, wanted him to.
00:04:57.000 And it hasn't worked out very well because as the Conservative Party always does, it kind of reverts to this establishment disconnected with the public type of governing philosophy.
00:05:09.000 And now there are all sorts of scandals swirling around 10 Downing Street, which is the executive branch of the British government, not least to do with Boris Johnson's new wife, We don't have a constitutional role for kind of a first lady in the United Kingdom.
00:05:26.000 So people are starting to ask questions because this lady, Carrie Simmons, Carrie Johnson, appears to be at the heart of so many decisions that are being made at the heart of the British government.
00:05:36.000 A lot of the climate change policy stuff.
00:05:38.000 She was very well entrenched with the Clinton initiative, for instance.
00:05:42.000 She used to work for one of their offshoots.
00:05:44.000 People are starting to ask, well, where exactly is Boris Johnson getting his...
00:05:49.000 Left-leaning credentials from.
00:05:51.000 Where is he taking this all from?
00:05:52.000 And it appears to be her.
00:05:53.000 And there are scandal upon scandal upon scandals which are building in the United Kingdom right now.
00:05:58.000 If I were a betting man, I would say that Boris Johnson doesn't look like he could desperately hold on to power for much of this year.
00:06:08.000 It does depend if there's a challenger from within the Conservative Party.
00:06:12.000 But it looks to be a tumultuous year in British politics in the very same way it looks to be a tumultuous year in US politics.
00:06:19.000 Well, is that a country that's just gone, Rahim?
00:06:22.000 I mean, one of the questions we have to ask in the United States is, you know, is the motherland kind of a thing of the past?
00:06:28.000 Have they allowed so much unchecked immigration?
00:06:31.000 Have they allowed a deconstruction of the social fabric kind of emerging out of the, you know, how urban London became and the suburbs of London kind of flipping against those on the right?
00:06:42.000 Do you think it's salvageable?
00:06:46.000 That's a very difficult question to answer, you know, briefly.
00:06:50.000 I'm reminded of an article that appeared in The Atlantic magazine just over the past couple of weeks that specifically talked about this.
00:06:57.000 And it took to heart the idea that the United Kingdom is a functioning union at all.
00:07:03.000 Of course the Scots are always trying to leave.
00:07:05.000 Increasingly the English want the Scots to leave.
00:07:07.000 You've now got this division in a post-Brexit world Between Northern Ireland and the rest of the United Kingdom, which we know is Great Britain.
00:07:15.000 I know there are all these sorts of different names for all these different territories in that really small plot of land, but they all mean something.
00:07:22.000 They especially mean something to their native populations.
00:07:25.000 And, you know, what the writer in The Atlantic concluded, and I actually couldn't agree more, With this, which is very rare for me in the Atlantic magazine, but it is that there isn't necessarily a belief in Britain, and there isn't a belief in Britain amongst the public, amongst the establishment, amongst the media, because there isn't anything such as Britain.
00:07:46.000 Nobody's actually stepped forward and described what Britain is In the 21st century and where it needs to go.
00:07:53.000 There is no long-term strategic thinking.
00:07:56.000 And as I sit here in the United States and look sort of wistfully back at a Britain I remembered growing up as a child and don't really recognize that in modern Britain anymore, I see the same things going on in the United States today.
00:08:11.000 Very, very little in terms of long-term strategic imperatives that emanate from the institutions that we're told are supposed to do that and you could take the pandemic as an example you know the NIH the NIAID for all these decades have told us that billions upon billions of your dollars your American taxpayer dollars have been funneled into pandemic preparedness but then when the pandemic actually came along there was no preparedness to be had well the same thing occurs in foreign policy
00:08:42.000 you funnel billions upon billions as a nation into foreign policy its apparatus the institutions all of that some wonderful buildings In Washington, D.C. But not any wonderful thinking that's coming out of them.
00:08:55.000 And for Britain, this is as big of a problem, if not a bigger problem, than the United States.
00:09:00.000 I will always say, to quote Vera Lynn, they'll always be in England.
00:09:04.000 What that England looks like, I'm not sure anybody has actually managed to put the sentences together that really describe it.
00:09:12.000 And that's the biggest problem.
00:09:14.000 There's a vacuum of ideas right now.
00:09:15.000 And when we think about how history is going to judge the Boris Johnson era, you have to look at the government incompetence as well as the embrace of this very globalist pro-lockdown regime.
00:09:28.000 And we've seen that embrace, you know, in other parts of Western Europe.
00:09:32.000 I know you talk to a lot of the folks who serve in representative government throughout Western Europe.
00:09:38.000 What are you hearing about the reconstituting of the populist movement, the extent to which these new issues about healthcare freedom inform on political activism?
00:09:49.000 Is this a time when populism, you think, is ascendant broadly there, or are we going to see more of the Boris Johnson-flavored surrender to whatever is churning out of these globalist institutions that, like you say, have really failed the people of the world, certainly over the last several years?
00:10:08.000 Well, you use a very interesting, and this is a word I use a lot too, institutions, right?
00:10:15.000 And in as much as we can complain about the corruption of the institutions as we've known them, in as much as we can point to the failures of the institutions as we've known them, I'm afraid the political right hasn't particularly done a good job of creating new institutions and it certainly hasn't done a good job of reforming old institutions.
00:10:37.000 One of the things that I said when Trump first took office back in 2016 was there is this entity called the National Endowment for Democracy Which gets its money from Congress, hundreds of millions of dollars a year, and the president of the organization is appointed by the president of the United States.
00:10:54.000 And there should have been a move initially in those first couple of months to use every single piece of power at the president's fingertips to change the apparatus.
00:11:06.000 You change the apparatus by changing the leadership.
00:11:08.000 If you can't change the leadership and change the apparatus, you have to start again.
00:11:12.000 Start new institutions.
00:11:14.000 Now, the populist, you know, cause around the world is only growing, I think, in steam.
00:11:20.000 You're seeing people who I would have never thought that I would stand shoulder to shoulder with, who are coming out as, you know, on our side on a whole range of different issues.
00:11:30.000 I think of people like Russell Brand for instance.
00:11:33.000 I mean I watched Russell Brand many years ago when he was in debate with Nigel Farage on the BBC one night and he was on the opposite side of the debate and we were in the green room and he was having his chest hair back combed by one of his staff assistants, you know, to zhuzh up his chest hair so he could go on this television program and be this Lothario and get all these people to like him.
00:11:54.000 And I just thought, oh my goodness, what an absolutely awful individual.
00:11:58.000 I don't want anything to do with this person.
00:12:00.000 And as time has progressed, you start to see people come around to a more populist way of thinking.
00:12:06.000 And I actually listen.
00:12:07.000 Rogan too, right?
00:12:08.000 I mean, hasn't Rogan really gone through a red-pilled evolution even over the last several months?
00:12:14.000 A lot of the old feminist thinkers now are starting to realise as they come under fire for being TERFs and whatever the latest trend is of calling them.
00:12:24.000 And so what do you do with that?
00:12:25.000 What do you do once you get a group of people together who aren't necessarily strictly ideological bedfellows but who find common cause in things?
00:12:34.000 Well, you're supposed to start institutions so that you can have these discussions, hash these ideas out and come up with policy proposals on the back of it.
00:12:43.000 I'm afraid that barring some good conferences and things like that, the political right is actually pretty bad about setting those things up.
00:12:50.000 We have some fusty old think tanks here in Washington DC that churn out a white paper or two every so often, but you don't actually have the philosophical intellectual undergirding that you need to assist the populist movement into that next step, and that's what's missing in this equation to me.
00:13:07.000 It's very interesting.
00:13:08.000 And yet, despite that infrastructure, we do see successes.
00:13:13.000 And you were one of the early people to see that coming in the United States for Donald Trump.
00:13:20.000 And I think that you saw a lot of the conditions that you were able to harness and really give an infrastructure to in Brexit starting to gel around the Trump candidacy.
00:13:31.000 Is there anything that you can see regarding this political realignment in Western Europe that forecasts anything or teaches us anything about the way the balance of power might shift in the United States in the midterms or still too early to tell?
00:13:46.000 Well, it comes back to your question about Boris Johnson and the Conservative Party.
00:13:50.000 You know, I sat behind, there are pictures, much to my chagrin, of me standing behind David Cameron when he launched the Conservative Party's election campaign back in 2010 with Big Ben in the background and the River Thames and the House of Parliament in the background.
00:14:07.000 It felt like a real sea change moment after 13 years of failed Socialist Labour Party lack of leadership.
00:14:15.000 In that country.
00:14:16.000 And of course, what did Cameron do the second he got into power?
00:14:20.000 He made an electoral pact with the Liberal Democrats and governed effectively as a Liberal Democrat.
00:14:26.000 Tried to get out of holding a referendum on the European Union.
00:14:29.000 We soon showed him in that regard.
00:14:31.000 But there was nothing that came out of that government that was particularly revolutionary.
00:14:35.000 There was nothing that came out of that government that was particularly conservative in terms of policy proposals.
00:14:40.000 And so when I look at the midterms and I see everybody You know, across the United States saying, rah rah, cis boom, we're going to red wave, it's going to be fantastic.
00:14:48.000 I say, but what would be the point if you then have a leader McConnell, a leader McCarthy, and a GOP chairman, Ronna McDaniel?
00:14:58.000 It would be the same thing as watching David Cameron and Nick Clegg walking into 10 Downing Street and running the country as Liberal Democrats.
00:15:06.000 So what the right must do in this country before the midterms Is make sure that they have people in power, in situ, in positions that can either oust those people or hold them to account for the bad decisions that we know they are going to take once they get control.
00:15:23.000 Well, and some of it in the minority is just such obvious theater, right?
00:15:27.000 Like, I remember when Paul Ryan put the bill on Obama's desk like 60 times to force him to veto to repeal Obamacare, and then when we actually had the power, well, He took all that money from all those healthcare lobbyists and all those healthcare institutions, and then lo and behold, it looked more like an embrace of Obamacare than a repeal of Obamacare.
00:15:48.000 We couldn't get the support.
00:15:50.000 We ended up being vulnerable where John McCain was able to scuttle the legislation.
00:15:54.000 And, you know, I look at Leader McCarthy's recent statements where he's saying, well, I'm going to throw Democrats off of committees.
00:16:01.000 And I have to ask myself, Raheem, you won't even throw off Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger.
00:16:07.000 Like these two people are engaged in an active insurrection against the Republican conference through their membership in the January 6th committee that has just gone totally off the rails constitutionally and otherwise.
00:16:19.000 And it's just hard to believe that McCarthy is going to remove Democrats from committees when he won't even remove Kinzinger and Cheney.
00:16:25.000 And they openly are at war with the Republican conference.
00:16:29.000 I mean, is there something you think I'm missing?
00:16:32.000 Well, the good news is if they do end up behaving like we said they were going to behave, we can claim to have been right all along.
00:16:38.000 If they don't end up behaving like we said they were going to behave, we can claim that we shifted them in our direction.
00:16:44.000 But the broader point is this.
00:16:46.000 I mean, we're going to be doing some reporting.
00:16:48.000 In the next, I hope, two weeks to a month, that shows just where a lot of the hard-earned dollars from ordinary Americans, when they sign those checks to the RNC, where that money's been going and who it ends up with in the long run.
00:17:03.000 And I've been going through some of the data on this.
00:17:06.000 Congressman, it's not good, okay?
00:17:08.000 To say the least, it's not good.
00:17:10.000 Law firms, advocacy groups, all of these sorts of things that you absolutely must get control of before you can trust a party apparatus again.
00:17:19.000 I struggle to think of anybody now in the Republican movement that I talk to at all who trusts the apparatus.
00:17:26.000 And you simply cannot go into a situation where you have a majority...
00:17:30.000 In the house, but you don't trust the apparatus at the top of that.
00:17:33.000 So this will be our focus for the next several months at least.
00:17:37.000 The NationalPulse.com is where folks can check out Rahim's reporting, also co-host of the National Pulse podcast.
00:17:44.000 And of course, one of the co-creators and co-hosts of Bannon's War Room.
00:17:49.000 Rahim, you were one of the people during the Ukraine impeachment.
00:17:54.000 To really understand that Ukraine wasn't just a country that had been randomly selected.
00:17:59.000 No one sat around and threw a dart at Ukraine and said, well that will be the basis to set up Donald Trump.
00:18:05.000 That actually Ukraine is really viewed as A critical player in the overall NATO expansion strategy.
00:18:14.000 And when you seek NATO expansion and you're deeply corrupt, as the Biden family is, the ability to plow cash into Ukraine is something that can benefit the elites to a greater extent even than plowing money into other European countries.
00:18:29.000 So you got that during impeachment.
00:18:32.000 Now, as you see, you know, the relationship between the United States and Ukraine under Joe Biden, what's your perspective on that?
00:18:40.000 And then obviously we're going to get to this standoff at the border with Russia.
00:18:45.000 Yeah, I mean, Ukraine is, the whole situation is so wildly out of control now, and it's been going that way for some time.
00:18:56.000 I was there during the Medan Revolution in Kiev in late 2014, I believe it was, and saw firsthand what we were being told in the West was this spontaneous uprising of ordinary people who was just trying to throw and saw firsthand what we were being told in the West was this spontaneous uprising of ordinary people who was just trying to
00:19:21.000 And I got on the ground and I sort of started to get to grips with the different factions and whose interests were playing into all of this.
00:19:28.000 And it was really this one moment where I was in the middle of that square looking at the stage, very nice audiovisual setup, lots of money clearly been pumped into that moment for the world to see.
00:19:39.000 You know, these color revolutions that one of your regular phenomenal guests, Darren Beatty, is always talking about.
00:19:47.000 Sure.
00:19:47.000 Saw that playing out in front of my eyes and it was a moment where there was an EU-sponsored tent.
00:19:54.000 It was almost like you were at a fair, right?
00:19:56.000 And there was a tent and you could go up to this tent and pick up an EU flag and stand in the crowd and wave this EU flag and it got me thinking, you know, what is this expression of this like...
00:20:06.000 What is this supranationalism that's going on here in Ukraine and why is that taking place?
00:20:11.000 And I started to do some digging on this.
00:20:13.000 I actually came to the issue totally, you know, bereft of any loyalty to any side.
00:20:18.000 I just wanted to see what was taking place, honestly, on my doorstep.
00:20:22.000 Three and a half hours flight away from London Heathrow Airport or whatever it was.
00:20:26.000 This was an extraordinary time to see something take place in real time.
00:20:32.000 And the more we dug into it, the more we started to realize that actually what was going on on Russia's border, i.e.
00:20:38.000 Ukraine, was this continuation of the idea that Russia was going to somehow try to militarily overwhelm Europe and NATO. Now, you can make of that what you will, and I know Barack Obama had his thoughts on this when debating with Mitt Romney, talking about the 1980s wanting their foreign policy back.
00:21:01.000 But whatever you believe about whether or not Russia poses a threat to Europe, the way to not go about forcing the West into an active war is to actually position troops...
00:21:13.000 Right upon that border and actually say to Russia, hey, we're closing you in here.
00:21:18.000 There's an old expression, I think some attribute it to Machiavelli, whatever, that says, always give your enemy an ability to retreat.
00:21:29.000 Because if you don't allow your enemy the ability to retreat, then you're going to force them into a standoff with you.
00:21:35.000 And that standoff is what we're seeing take place right now.
00:21:39.000 Luckily, I don't believe, in my heart of hearts, that Vladimir Putin does actually want to get into a prolonged war on that border and doesn't want to force NATO to actually solve a lot of its internal problems with mobilizing troops in Europe.
00:21:56.000 For instance, I'll give you an example.
00:21:57.000 I was talking to a pretty high-level source who's involved in a lot of the NATO wargaming recently, and he told me that the Russians could effectively march to Madrid before each separate parliament across Europe would Give the okay to their troops to run under the NATO commanders to actually fight back if the Russians tried to invade in Ukraine.
00:22:19.000 And it's kind of a jarring thing to hear this, to say, okay, so a lot of what we're seeing is posturing, but a lot of what we're seeing on the other side is posturing as well.
00:22:28.000 Then how do we actually tamp that down?
00:22:30.000 We tamp it down by coming to the table and saying, well, here are the problems that Russia has, here are the problems that the United States has.
00:22:36.000 And that's what's happening right now.
00:22:38.000 I mean, it doesn't please me at all to say this, but where the United States stands today, after the conversation that was had between...
00:22:47.000 The Russians and the Americans on Monday morning is actually probably one of the first, albeit tiny, wins that Joe Biden has had in a foreign policy sense for a long time.
00:22:58.000 And that could be attributable to what's happening in Kazakhstan as well, or it could just simply be attributable to the fact that Vladimir Putin was after one thing and one thing only during this whole fracas over the last couple of months, this war of words that we've seen taking place in the media, which is to say, you guys are going to have to recognize which is to say, you guys are going to have to recognize that we will not accept Ukraine as a
00:23:20.000 And it does seem to me that the Americans and NATO are starting to accept that if Ukraine is subsumed into that NATO power structure, then they are going to have a hot war with Russia, which they are not prepared for, as I just said.
00:23:33.000 And it seems that Putin does have outs if he's able to obtain those concessions on the expansion of NATO. And, you know, there are basic questions sort of about the viability of the Ukrainian government.
00:23:47.000 And we always seem to see, like, the war hawks I think what I see right now,
00:24:14.000 Rahim, is that there are three principal vectors of global power competition.
00:24:20.000 Russia, which offers regime preservation.
00:24:24.000 I mean, like, if you're a regime and you're about to topple, Russia's probably the best friend to have in the world right now.
00:24:30.000 I mean, go ask Assad, go ask Maduro.
00:24:32.000 In Kazakhstan, you saw somebody who really came into political power, not as some stooge of Russia, leap into the arms of Vladimir Putin.
00:24:42.000 I mean, one of the first phone calls that Tajib Erdogan got during that coup in Turkey was from Putin saying, we're here to help you.
00:24:49.000 So regime preservation is kind of the Russia model.
00:24:52.000 Then you go to the China model, which no one has covered better than the National Pulse.
00:24:58.000 A lot of you are reporting getting into the way that China basically just buys people off in big tech, in government, and uses that bribery system, that cash system to really fuel the one belt, one road strategy.
00:25:15.000 And then the United States value prop is we're the best friend to have in the world if you owe people money.
00:25:20.000 Like if you are a debtor nation and you owe money to globalist institutions, we could kind of keep the banker off your back that long.
00:25:27.000 And I'm just kind of wondering, as you see these flashpoints around the world, How that is going and particularly through the lens of the terrific reporting at the National Pulse that's covered the Chinese Communist Party's malign influence campaign that seems to be pretty darn persuasive without a whole lot of hot lead flying.
00:25:47.000 Right, and that is one of the most terrifying things is that there is a power in the world now that is able to quite, I wouldn't say easily, but at least they have a lot of people who are amenable to how much the Chinese Communist Party is willing to throw its weight around.
00:26:09.000 A lot of this comes from the fact that, I mean, I want to bring it back to the institution point.
00:26:16.000 I don't think America has a very serious long-term strategic foreign policy anymore.
00:26:24.000 I'm actually of the belief that it hasn't really had that for most of America's history.
00:26:30.000 There were some periods of time where you didn't really want to interact with the rest of the world.
00:26:35.000 We are very cognizant of the fact that...
00:26:37.000 In fairness, you would barely give us credit for the Revolutionary War.
00:26:40.000 That's also true.
00:26:42.000 That was a fight between Englishmen and other Englishmen.
00:26:44.000 Right.
00:26:45.000 But I just, you know, the idea that there is a consensus view about where America stands in the world amongst its own foreign policy institutions is completely incorrect.
00:26:59.000 The idea that there is any kind of cohesive foreign policy from administration to administration, by the way, this is not limited to Democrats.
00:27:08.000 You don't think that the neocons in the foreign policy establishment Kind of create an American narrative over time.
00:27:13.000 I mean, I think it's only recently that we've started to deconstruct that under Trump.
00:27:16.000 But I mean, if you look at the Obama doctrine and the Bush doctrine and the Clinton doctrine, I mean, they're not all that dissimilar.
00:27:23.000 The establishment seems to be able to sort of weave itself into one American policy.
00:27:28.000 You wouldn't give them that?
00:27:30.000 I would give the fact that the right has given up on foreign policy.
00:27:35.000 And I think a lot of this comes down to the fact that America is probably the predominant nation in the world where I find it difficult to get international news because you're...
00:27:47.000 Populous and your news media are kind of not really in the weeds on it like other places are.
00:27:54.000 I mean, three out of four of every front page newspaper that you see in the United Kingdom on a weekly basis, the front page story will be about something that's happening elsewhere in the world.
00:28:06.000 You don't really get that in the United States.
00:28:08.000 Yeah, how many more about the royals?
00:28:10.000 The rest.
00:28:11.000 But that would bring me back to the point that I'm trying to make about the idea that the institutions don't really have this sort of common thread.
00:28:20.000 Now, the right has, I think, as a result of this lack of interest, I mean, nobody really votes for a government in the United States based on their foreign policy.
00:28:29.000 And I think the right has given too much up in that regard.
00:28:32.000 And so what you had is you had the neoconservatives who were Democrats, who were leftists, who were a lot of former communists, who have been allowed to kind of run the institutions in terms of foreign policy for several decades.
00:28:47.000 That bled over to the right.
00:28:49.000 And as we know, there are a lot of now right-wing institutions that take the neoconservative interventionist line on so many things.
00:28:55.000 But there has to be an America first foreign policy.
00:28:58.000 It can't just be we don't care about what's going on overseas.
00:29:02.000 It can certainly be that it ranks far lower.
00:29:05.000 But when you come to issues like this, when you come to issues...
00:29:09.000 I think Trump did a wonderful job with NATO, by the way.
00:29:12.000 You know, reading them the riot act and telling them to pull their socks up We're good to go.
00:29:35.000 The LGBT flag or the transgender flag from an embassy somewhere around the world is somehow making a point.
00:29:42.000 And the only point it makes to most of those countries is that America is an unserious nation on the world stage.
00:29:48.000 This is what I mean when I say there has to be a renewed interest in what America's role in the world is amongst the America First movement, and that can only come by forcing these Democrats out of these institutions and taking a role in foreign policy again.
00:30:02.000 Well, and ensuring that the Republican Party doesn't just become the controlled opposition on a lot of these questions.
00:30:09.000 Which it is.
00:30:09.000 I tell you what, I do see optimism in this new batch of people that are running for Congress.
00:30:15.000 You would have never seen, even two cycles ago, people talking about a focused foreign policy rather than, you know, invade everywhere, invite everyone, right?
00:30:25.000 And now you're starting to see that in more and more of the candidacies that I think are compelling to voters.
00:30:29.000 So we'll see.
00:30:30.000 You know, that's why we have elections in our country.
00:30:32.000 Folks will select their nominees.
00:30:34.000 And it's certainly my hope that the foreign policy that the Republican Party embraces looks a lot less like Dick Cheney and more like Donald Trump.
00:30:43.000 I think that will ultimately be viewed better by history.
00:30:45.000 I think that is the way to Preserve and utilize American greatness to its fullest extent, not to squander it for people that frankly are undeserving of our best.
00:30:56.000 And, you know, these issues are kitchen table issues in Northwest Florida, because it's my neighbors that actually go fight these wars.
00:31:02.000 It's, you know, the schools in my district that are without the room mom when somebody has to deploy and when they have to do it eight, 10, 11 times, you know, in circumstances that I think have been dubious as a consequence of poor leadership, not diminished patriotism on a in circumstances that I think have been dubious as a consequence of poor leadership, not I think that the Biden regime is going to be judged by a lot of their decisions as they unfold.
00:31:28.000 And if they squander American greatness, I think that the American people will not take kindly to that.
00:31:34.000 Rahim, I want to ask you one last question.
00:31:37.000 And it really has to do with China because at the National Pulse, we see every major China You have covered the fusion of our technology companies and China, our government leaders in China better than really any site that exists right now.
00:31:54.000 What worries you most about China's strategy and really the lack of resistance that our country has put up to it?
00:32:01.000 What honestly worries me most is that for some reason it comes down to myself and Natalie Winters to pick up on these stories.
00:32:09.000 A great American.
00:32:11.000 That is genuinely the thing I don't get about all of this.
00:32:15.000 We barely scratch the surface of so much of what's going on.
00:32:20.000 We can pick up on a trend here or a funding stream there or a staff are moving from this place to the other or whatever it is.
00:32:28.000 But it terrifies me that there isn't the journalistic interest in what China is doing.
00:32:34.000 I mean, the amount of land China is buying through either individuals or through businesses across the United States is absolutely stagnant.
00:32:45.000 But you know why there isn't a journalistic interest.
00:32:47.000 It's because they're corrupt.
00:32:48.000 It's because they're on the take.
00:32:50.000 It's because companies that are controlled by the Chinese Communist Party are a huge part of their ad revenue.
00:32:55.000 I mean, corporate media, that's what they do.
00:32:57.000 They're part of the group.
00:32:58.000 That's the corporate media.
00:32:59.000 That's the corporate media.
00:33:00.000 But, I mean, if America has anything going for it, That the rest of the world doesn't is that everybody now gets to have an outlet, right?
00:33:07.000 And everybody is allowed to, you know, almost freely, and thanks to places like Getter now, a little bit more freely in the social media space, can investigate these things and get these things.
00:33:18.000 I mean, look, Natalie came to me as a, you know, somebody still in college who just cared about the future of her country and wanted to investigate this stuff.
00:33:26.000 I came to this issue as somebody who recognized how foreign money and foreign interest had already poisoned the well of so much of Europe and my country, the United Kingdom.
00:33:34.000 And so I wanted to make sure that America knew what was happening here too and tried to stop it.
00:33:39.000 And so my message would be to people out there, there is no special source that we have at the National Pulse that allows us...
00:33:45.000 A unique level of intrigue and interest into this subject area.
00:33:49.000 We just do the hard work of the research and going to the source documents and finding out all of this stuff.
00:33:54.000 And I implore more people to do that because this is going to come down to good old-fashioned work.
00:34:00.000 What I think is a very American thing of rolling up your sleeves and getting into the muck of it yourself.
00:34:05.000 This is how we ended up effectively, I wouldn't say defeating Marxism because I think it's right here on these shores now, but at least deferring for a generation the perils that were attempted to be foist on us by foreign powers.
00:34:17.000 And we've got to do that all again.
00:34:19.000 And it's going to come from the grassroots upward.
00:34:22.000 The Chinese Communist Party will stop at nothing.
00:34:25.000 There is never a time where Xi Jinping is going to go, oh, Oh, I'm so sorry about all of that, guys.
00:34:30.000 I didn't realize I was making life difficult for you.
00:34:33.000 The evils of this world will only be stopped when you, the people, confront those.
00:34:38.000 And I truly believe that America is the last place in the world where that's going to happen.
00:34:41.000 If it doesn't, we're looking at a Chinese Communist Party-run future, the world over.
00:34:46.000 And not even the world over, frankly, out of this world.
00:34:49.000 We're looking in the next 100, 200 years of technological changes, the likes of which we can't even fathom right now.
00:34:58.000 Do you really want to leave that up to the Politburo in Beijing?
00:35:02.000 No, I am not here for it.
00:35:03.000 That's why we're fighting back.
00:35:05.000 He is the editor-in-chief of The National Pulse, the co-creator and co-host of Bannon's War Room, co-host of The National Pulse podcast.
00:35:13.000 This is the third best podcast he will be on this week.
00:35:17.000 Raheem Kassam, thanks for being on fire, Brand.
00:35:19.000 Thanks for sharing your perspective.
00:35:21.000 Thank you.