Firebrand - Matt Gaetz - Episode 64 LIVE: Truth Bombs (feat. Rep. Devin Nunes) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

00:01:15.000 Matt Gaetz was one of the very few members in the entire Congress who bothered to stand up against permanent Washington on behalf of his constituents.

00:01:22.000 Matt Gaetz right now, he's a problem in the Democratic Party.

00:01:25.000 He could cause a lot of hiccups in passing applause.

00:01:28.000 So we're going to keep running those stories to get hurt again.

00:01:32.000 Stand for the flag and kneel in prayer.

00:01:35.000 If you want to build America up and not burn her to the ground, then welcome, my fellow patriots.

00:01:40.000 You are in the right place.

00:01:42.000 This is the movement for you.

00:01:44.000 You ever watch this guy on television?

00:01:46.000 It's like a machine.

00:01:48.000 Matt Gaetz.

00:01:49.000 I'm a canceled man in some corners of the internet.

00:01:52.000 Many days, I'm a marked man in Congress, a wanted man by the deep state.

00:01:57.000 They aren't really coming for me.

00:01:59.000 They're coming for you.

00:02:01.000 I'm just in the way.

00:02:07.000 Welcome to Firebrand.

00:02:08.000 We are simulcast streaming live from 1721 of the House office building in Longworth in Washington D.C. Democrats are scurrying now to get an assault weapons ban together for a vote before Congress recesses for the month of August.

00:02:24.000 I'm going to give you the updates on that, the key arguments.

00:02:26.000 But we have a very special guest on Firebrand, Congressman Devin Nunes, former Congressman, I should say, now CEO of the Trump Media Group.

00:02:36.000 Devin Nunes won the—I don't know if you won or you get awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom during President Trump's tenure.

00:02:43.000 He was chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

00:02:45.000 He's got a lot to say about what the future of the Internet, digital interactions, social interactions will look like, and he is helping to shape that future.

00:02:54.000 Devin, thanks so much for joining us.

00:02:56.000 Matt, it's great to be with you.

00:02:57.000 I think I was on your podcast in the early days when you first started it.

00:03:00.000 Now, you're like all professional now, man.

00:03:03.000 You got a chair.

00:03:04.000 You got a professional mic.

00:03:05.000 You've got your live streaming.

00:03:07.000 It's great.

00:03:08.000 You're coming a long ways, man.

00:03:09.000 Well, you understand the importance of breaking through the fake news.

00:03:14.000 And I think it's just terrific that we have these avenues to be able to do it.

00:03:17.000 But you've been a big part of building out that ecosystem.

00:03:20.000 You've taken on as your mission in life.

00:03:22.000 But before we get to truth and big tech and all the work you're doing, you know, you were chairman of the Intelligence Committee at a critical time.

00:03:30.000 And you saw information that, you know, no one else gets to see.

00:03:34.000 And you were able to make assessments and share viewpoints on things that really informed how Congress viewed challenges That we face here in our country and abroad.

00:03:43.000 And so I wanted to ask you just with all of that experience, all that work you've done, what do you view as the greatest external threat to the United States?

00:03:52.000 Well, I think it's actually the Department of Justice.

00:03:59.000 And I say that sadly, but it's just become, it's impossible not to Bring up now, Matt.

00:04:07.000 Through the Russia hoax, dealing with the Department of Justice, dealing with all the intelligence agencies, I think it was You know, we were just at the tip of the iceberg and it's just gotten worse and worse and worse about how weaponized the entire Department of Justice has become along and then using the intelligence agencies to destroy the United States of America.

00:04:28.000 And of course, when I say they're weaponized by the left.

00:04:32.000 So, you know, your colleagues, I guarantee you, are working hand in glove with the Department of Justice, coordinating with the executive branch.

00:04:39.000 And sadly, it's leaked over to the judicial branch of government also, where Almost anything that has to do with a Republican.

00:04:47.000 If it comes to a Democrat-appointed federal judge, almost all the time, it's going to be a very political decision, and the Republicans are going to be treated much differently than the Democrats are being treated.

00:05:02.000 So, look, I'll tell you, China is clearly the external threat, but we're rotting from within. 0.99

00:05:09.000 And as you know, it's why I Why I left Congress is because we couldn't even communicate with one another, much less fight on the battle for ideas and have a fair process in whether it be the legislative branch that you and I served together in for so many years.

00:05:27.000 And look, I ultimately came onto this early because I was vilified as some type of Russian agent And, you know, nobody in the government stood up, you know, and said that that was BS, right?

00:05:41.000 It was also fake.

00:05:42.000 It was fake from the beginning.

00:05:43.000 And you really were the clarion voice in the wilderness.

00:05:48.000 I remember the days when you first learned that our own government had been weaponized against the Trump campaign.

00:05:55.000 And what establishment Washington wanted you to do, probably what a lot of Republicans wanted you to do, was just sit on that information.

00:06:02.000 Allow our political system to be attacked Using our own taxpayer dollars and depriving us of our political freedoms of speech and association.

00:06:11.000 And you went and told President Trump that there was this intelligence collection going that was targeting his campaign.

00:06:19.000 Now that you've had the benefit of hindsight, now that the debate is over about the Russia hoax, that was always fake from the beginning.

00:06:27.000 It lacked a predicate to justify the actions that were taken.

00:06:30.000 But as you look back at that moment, when you literally went over to the White House and told President Trump the truth, how did you go through that decision?

00:06:40.000 What were the factors you weighed knowing that that would make you a pariah with the media and with a lot of establishment Washington?

00:06:47.000 Well, look, there's a lot of moving parts here.

00:06:49.000 So on one hand, that only had one aspect to do with what we were investigating at the time.

00:06:53.000 And, you know, I knew right from the start that the Russia hoax was a hoax because, number one, I was the one who had been sounding the alarm on Russia all through 2014 and 2015 and 2016. So think about this.

00:07:07.000 In the spring of 2016, I go out and say that the biggest intelligence failure Since 9-11 by our intelligence agencies, I'm the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, okay, when this happens.

00:07:18.000 So the biggest failure is our inability to understand Putin's plans and intentions, and just to take the viewers and listeners back to that time period.

00:07:28.000 This is when Putin was just having his way with Obama and Biden and doing anything he wanted.

00:07:33.000 Remember, green men came down. 0.58

00:07:34.000 Planes were being shot out of the sky in Ukraine.

00:07:38.000 They took over Crimea.

00:07:39.000 You had all the situation in Libya and Syria.

00:07:42.000 And finally, I just had enough.

00:07:44.000 And it was very unusual for me at that time because, as you know, it used to be that that committee worked quietly.

00:07:50.000 You only heard from us when there was a terrorist attack or something.

00:07:53.000 And I took this unusual step in the spring of 2016 to say, hey, guys, we got a problem here.

00:07:59.000 And I always say that, thank God that I actually had went on to out to the media.

00:08:04.000 I had written about it.

00:08:05.000 I had talked about it.

00:08:05.000 I actually had some interviews on CNN. Because think about that timing.

00:08:10.000 That was right when Obama, the DOJ were all cooking up and the Clinton campaign were cooking up the Russia hoax.

00:08:17.000 And they were activating all sorts of federal assets and campaign assets all working together to launch and invest a fake and phony investigation.

00:08:26.000 And I think had it not been, For me actually saying that at that time, not knowing any of the Russia hoax that was going on, you know, it's clear when I actually called BS on this, they would have targeted me.

00:08:39.000 But they couldn't because I was, you know, I had too much in writing.

00:08:41.000 I had been too critical to the intelligence agencies.

00:08:44.000 I think they really didn't want to touch it.

00:08:46.000 I think when I say that, I think because I do think there were a time when even Trump appointed officials were playing games with me during that time.

00:08:55.000 And that was only a small sliver because what happened when I went to the White House, that was really about what we knew was illegal.

00:09:03.000 And that was, how in the hell did General Flynn's phone calls with the Russian ambassador leak out all across Washington?

00:09:12.000 Transcripts of that.

00:09:13.000 I mean, that's, you know, to me, that was, you know, that was a fire alarm that said, oh, my God, we've just had a major leak.

00:09:19.000 And I couldn't figure out why isn't the FBI sending out thousands of agents we just had.

00:09:24.000 And then it wasn't shortly after the Flynn leak.

00:09:27.000 Then we had the leak of President Trump talking to the Mexican president, President Trump talking to the Australian ambassador.

00:09:34.000 So that was just one small issue that I was looking at at that time.

00:09:40.000 But they're willing to leak that stuff, Devin, because they actually think that the permanent bureaucratic class, what some people call the deep state, that they ought to run the country and that the people who are elected, they ought to just be actors playing out a script that is designed by them as the central brokers and they ought to just be actors playing out a script that is designed You mentioned something really important I want to pull the thread on.

00:10:03.000 You talked about the DOJ, the FBI, and the Clinton campaign together cooking up the Russia hoax.

00:10:09.000 Now, I've been very critical of the Durham investigation because Durham seems to cast the FBI and the DOJ as the victim.

00:10:17.000 Oh no, it was these people like Michael Sussman, it was the Clinton campaign, lying to us, and we were victimized by those lies, whereas I seem to think that you had them acting in concert, playing different roles in the same conspiracy.

00:10:31.000 You had the Clinton campaign working up the political opposition research, the DIRT, and then you had the FBI and the DOJ processing that through authorized leaks so that you would get these These blistering stories in the mainstream media that Trump was a Russian agent, I was Putin's lawyer, you were compromised, all this stuff that was nonsense, but it was part and parcel with an FBI-DOJ strategy.

00:10:54.000 Do you think that Durham has been sincere in his prosecution, or is the entire Durham endeavor just something to absolve the FBI and the DOJ of their actions?

00:11:07.000 Well, look, I've been very supportive of Durham, and here's why.

00:11:11.000 I'm really just going off of kind of instinct and my experience dealing with all these characters.

00:11:18.000 And that is that this is the first investigation since even before I came to Washington, paying attention to politics, where there hasn't been one leak.

00:11:27.000 And I've always thought that that is very professional.

00:11:30.000 And if you look at the things that he's brought out and brought to light, he clearly knows what happened.

00:11:37.000 We may not know until the Durham investigation.

00:11:41.000 We have a trial coming up with Danchenko, the author, or the guy who's supposedly the Russian agent that supplied the dossier information to Christopher Steele, which then, of course, made it to the papers.

00:11:53.000 And the guy was just a tank tank guy living outside of Washington, D.C. This is just my gut, Matt.

00:12:04.000 I believe that Durham thought that Sussman would cooperate.

00:12:08.000 And, you know, Sussman probably didn't want to end up at the bottom of the Potomac.

00:12:13.000 So he rolled the dice and said, well, I think, you know, we're going to go for it.

00:12:18.000 We'll get a jury that's 95 percent Trump haters and we'll roll the dice and see if we can get this done.

00:12:24.000 And I'm sure if not, he probably would have been pardoned by Biden, you know, had he been prosecuted.

00:12:29.000 But I think Durham probably went Thinking that, okay, Sussman's the guy.

00:12:33.000 He was the gatekeeper.

00:12:34.000 He knows everything that happened here.

00:12:37.000 And if we threaten, you know, if he could possibly go to jail for five years, maybe he will talk.

00:12:42.000 And that's ultimately how you get the bad actors, the dirty cops at the DOJ and the FBI. But that failed.

00:12:48.000 And I think that's a larger problem.

00:12:50.000 You know, we opened up with, you know, what do I think the biggest problem in the U.S. is?

00:12:55.000 You asked external, but I really think it's really internal.

00:12:58.000 And that is that it's a sad state of affairs.

00:13:01.000 I guarantee you, had you or I been prosecuted in Washington DC for exactly the same thing, The jury would have deliberated, Matt, for about just long enough to sign whatever documentation they would have to sign.

00:13:14.000 Oh, listen.

00:13:15.000 We could be convicted of abducting the Lindbergh baby.

00:13:19.000 We could be convicted of killing Jimmy Hoffa inside of Washington, D.C., and everybody knows it, and that is part of the parlance.

00:13:28.000 That is part of the game that the DOJ plays in order to be the enforcement wing of the Democratic Party.

00:13:34.000 It is likely that Republicans will take control of the Congress and Following the midterm elections, I believe that Nancy Pelosi will step aside as leader, and I am already watching your former colleague, my current colleague, Adam Schiff, campaign among the Democrats to lead their caucus.

00:13:51.000 He certainly wants to be the lead on the Intelligence Committee if that doesn't work out for him.

00:13:56.000 How would you deal with Adam Schiff if you were the Republican leader, the Republican speaker?

00:14:01.000 Would you allow him to serve on committees?

00:14:03.000 And how much of a threat is Adam Schiff to the country?

00:14:07.000 Well, the thing that I'm thinking of, Matt, right off the top of my head is that how could they possibly elect...

00:14:17.000 At least what I know of, a straight white Jewish guy as their leader.

00:14:22.000 I mean, have you not been painted?

00:14:24.000 I mean, I think part of their doctrine is all the CRT, critical race theory, BLM. Listen, I think that for the power and the ambition, Adam Schiff might transition.

00:14:33.000 You never know.

00:14:34.000 So you mean he might just become a girl and that way he would fit the... 0.92

00:14:39.000 He would fit one of the categories? 1.00

00:14:41.000 He'd be one ugly woman. 1.00

00:14:42.000 But I don't know. 0.99

00:14:44.000 I know he's an ambitious guy.

00:14:46.000 Some have said he shouldn't be allowed to serve on the Intelligence Committee, given the damage that he did to that committee in politicizing it, in lying, in mischaracterizing intelligence.

00:14:56.000 If you were the Republican leader, would you allow Adam Schiff on the Intelligence Committee?

00:14:59.000 No, I would.

00:15:00.000 And I think there's several of those guys that don't belong on there.

00:15:04.000 But I think there's a bigger challenge that you guys are going to have.

00:15:08.000 And that is that I don't know how you guys can conduct, you and I say the Republicans, would be able to conduct the type of investigation that has to happen Under the current kind of confines of the typical committees,

00:15:27.000 Intelligence Committee, Judiciary Committee, we had enough challenges with that over the years with probably one of the only real successful congressional investigations in modern history was the one that I ran, that you participated in.

00:15:41.000 I think the type of investigating that has to occur here, you have to look at the Congress in the House, we'll have to look at All this crap that probably started in 2015 from the Russia hoax, to the Ukraine hoax, to the Hunter Biden laptop, to the coordination with the big tech companies, to what happened on January 6th, what happened in Michigan, The entire Department of Justice has to be completely turned upside down and looked into.

00:16:10.000 And you guys are going to have to figure out a way on how to conduct that information.

00:16:15.000 Does that way mean excluding Democrats from committees?

00:16:19.000 Does that way mean the Republican leader appointing the Democrats to the committees?

00:16:23.000 What is the tactical move you suggest so that we're able to endeavor on the important work you've called?

00:16:29.000 I mean, it even could...

00:16:33.000 Look, it needs to, at a minimum, be a special committee, I think.

00:16:36.000 And now that Pelosi has created unprecedented, in our nearly 250-year history, of deciding what minority members can and cannot serve on a committee.

00:16:49.000 Would you do that, though?

00:16:52.000 Would you run the Democrats' playbook back at them?

00:16:55.000 Look, I think not only...

00:16:57.000 It's not about the playbook.

00:16:58.000 It's that I've dealt with leftists out here.

00:17:00.000 This is not the Democratic Party.

00:17:02.000 These are not...

00:17:03.000 You know, Southern old Democrats from, you know, the panhandle of Florida or like I used to have here in the San Joaquin Valley.

00:17:09.000 Those people are gone.

00:17:10.000 They've been replaced by Marxists that are very, very dangerous.

00:17:14.000 And I've watched what's happened here in the state of California.

00:17:17.000 And if you don't watch it across the rest of the country, this is going to happen.

00:17:20.000 The only thing that makes these guys move is pain.

00:17:24.000 An extreme political pain.

00:17:27.000 Because as you know, with the propaganda machine that they have, they will just turn, Matt, I mean, you know, They can say, I've never seen people so soulless They'll look outside.

00:17:38.000 I don't know if it's raining or hot or muggy or what it is in Washington, D.C. right now.

00:17:45.000 But they will look outside the window at high noon and they will say, my God, it's the middle of the night.

00:17:53.000 And then the news media will say, yes, it's definitely the middle of the night.

00:17:55.000 And Matt Gaetz says, well, no, I see the sun out my window.

00:17:59.000 Matt Gaetz is this and that.

00:18:01.000 Let's get the Department of Justice to go after him. 0.92

00:18:03.000 I mean, that's what we're dealing with.

00:18:04.000 A midnight denier.

00:18:06.000 A daytime truther.

00:18:07.000 Speaking of truth.

00:18:08.000 So I think, seriously though, you guys are going to have to look at some type of special commission of some kind that basically takes what Pelosi did with the corruption side of it, but actually turn it on its head and do real work.

00:18:28.000 And only allow real people on it.

00:18:30.000 And you have to dissect the DOJ, all the intelligence agencies.

00:18:34.000 You're gonna have the problems with Merrick Garland and whoever's running that shop over there.

00:18:39.000 I mean, the fact that none of us like that, and I've said this from the beginning with Jan 6, Matt, I want the people who broke the windows to be prosecuted.

00:18:49.000 I want the people that broke into the Senate chamber to be prosecuted.

00:18:53.000 I want the people that planted the pipe bombs to be prosecuted.

00:18:57.000 I still don't know who the hell those people are, other than the Viking dude that wasn't even a Republican that got in there that day.

00:19:04.000 But they are prosecuting people.

00:19:07.000 They're leaving them in jail. 0.97

00:19:08.000 They're prosecuting people that didn't even enter the Capitol.

00:19:13.000 They're redefining laws, terrorism laws and other laws.

00:19:19.000 We're in the middle of a dark chapter of American history that started in 15 and 16 with the Russia hoax, and it's continued all the way. 0.66

00:19:28.000 Look, I just want to know, now that I'm sitting outside and not a member of Congress, and you, since I'm part-time in Florida now, Matt, you're in my congressional delegation, I just want to know who the hell Ray Epps is.

00:19:42.000 Just tell me who he is.

00:19:45.000 Why didn't he get arrested?

00:19:47.000 I mean, this is madness.

00:19:50.000 The undeniable headline of this discussion is Devin Nunes, Presidential Medal of Freedom winner and former Intelligence Chairman, says the Republicans have to turn DOJ on their head and dissect them when we take power and that we're going to have to use Some of the tools that we've seen on display that the Democrats have used, we have to have that in our toolkit, and we have to assemble a way to do it.

00:20:12.000 Now, to get the truth out, you know better than just about anyone in the world the headwinds we face from big government, big media, and big tech.

00:20:21.000 And so you left Congress to go and endeavor to make the Internet A free, open place for people to exchange ideas without some Woketopian in Silicon Valley shadow banning or muting or just limiting the delivery of data.

00:20:38.000 What is the Devin Nunes vision for the future of the internet and social and digital interactions there?

00:20:44.000 Yeah, so I left Congress for one reason, one reason only.

00:20:48.000 And I knew a lot about the shadow ban.

00:20:50.000 I was one of the first guys to be shadow banned by these big tech companies.

00:20:53.000 I was the first guy to go to Parler.

00:20:55.000 I was the first guy to go on to Rumble.

00:20:58.000 And, you know, I watched that and kind of what really was the turning point for me was when in 2020, I saw polls that still showed that over half of America believed that Trump and Republicans had something to do with Russia.

00:21:16.000 And I said, how the hell is that possible?

00:21:21.000 And of course, you know, we saw the Hunter Biden laptop story that was completely buried.

00:21:27.000 I mean, so real things happened.

00:21:29.000 Later, we found out that Mark Zuckerberg put in $419 million, which, by the way, That also needs to be investigated by you guys.

00:21:37.000 It's probably not under the DOJ realm, but it's somewhere else.

00:21:40.000 That's got to be completely pulled apart.

00:21:43.000 I mean, $419 million, I mean, maybe in Washington DC terms, it doesn't sound like a lot of money, but in political terms, it's real money.

00:21:52.000 We do vote harvesting now in California.

00:21:55.000 Remember I told you how Marxists just completely destroy the system?

00:22:00.000 So we had to do vote harvesting.

00:22:03.000 Sadly, it's legal in California to do vote harvesting.

00:22:07.000 I don't know, Matt, how you could possibly spend $419 million in those 10 swing states like he did.

00:22:16.000 And so the bottom line is when President Trump called and said, Will you come and do this?

00:22:22.000 I had been around the country.

00:22:23.000 I knew these problems.

00:22:25.000 I had told people that this was the most important issue at the highest level, which is our inability to even communicate with one another.

00:22:35.000 It's basic warfare, whether you're fighting a kinetic war or a propaganda war like we're in right now.

00:22:42.000 If you can't communicate with one another, you're dead and you die.

00:22:48.000 And if truth wasn't there, I will tell you, the world would be a very, very dark place.

00:22:55.000 We have millions of Americans now on the platform.

00:22:57.000 We now just opened up in the UK, and we've only been out.

00:23:02.000 We're not even fully launched yet.

00:23:04.000 Because we're not even on the Google Play Store yet.

00:23:07.000 So we're in the Apple App Store.

00:23:09.000 You can go to truesocial.com and get an account even if you have an Android.

00:23:13.000 And folks can follow you at Devin Nunes on Truth.

00:23:16.000 They can follow me at rep Matt Gates on Truth.

00:23:19.000 And I've really enjoyed the experience.

00:23:22.000 A lot of folks that I follow and I want to see what they're reading and talking about and thinking about.

00:23:28.000 One thing I've really appreciated about Truth is that if you link to external research, your post isn't discriminated against.

00:23:35.000 Like on Twitter, they discriminate against any post that doesn't keep people totally glued and addicted to their platform.

00:23:42.000 And I think Truth is more of a jumping off point to being able to look at the clips you want to look at for that day or read the articles you want for that day.

00:23:53.000 If someone's not on Truth right now, what are they missing, Devin?

00:23:57.000 Look, we're the only place that doesn't censor for political purposes, and we can't be canceled, right?

00:24:03.000 So we're operating on the rumble cloud.

00:24:06.000 A lot of people compare us to Twitter, but I don't care about Twitter.

00:24:11.000 We got a lot of those questions.

00:24:13.000 In fact, President Trump and I both said, If Elon Musk wants to buy Twitter, go ahead.

00:24:17.000 But normal Americans really aren't on Twitter.

00:24:20.000 It's basically a glorified PR wire on the internet for celebrities, Hollywood types, and journalists and corporations.

00:24:31.000 And foreign governments.

00:24:34.000 That's the essence of Twitter.

00:24:36.000 Yeah, and foreign governments.

00:24:37.000 Good point.

00:24:38.000 But it's not a place that people go to social networks.

00:24:42.000 Instagram has real users.

00:24:44.000 Facebook declining, but still has real users.

00:24:46.000 TikTok is on the upswing.

00:24:48.000 So what we're trying to do is take the best of all those platforms, make it simple to use, very intuitive.

00:24:54.000 We're only at five features of the 10 features that we hope to get built this year.

00:25:00.000 And so when you mentioned the timeline, and we just don't censor.

00:25:05.000 So Matt, if you put something on right now onto Truth, And I come in and put something on two minutes later, that's going to be the order.

00:25:13.000 You'll see my post and you'll see your post.

00:25:16.000 And look, we don't allow illegal activity.

00:25:18.000 We try to keep all the bots off, all the spam off, so you're not going to get what you typically get on the other accounts.

00:25:24.000 And I think at the end of the day, we're like that safe place where you know we're not going to steal your data and sell it.

00:25:29.000 We're not going to shadow ban you.

00:25:31.000 We're not going to kick you off.

00:25:32.000 We're always going to have that timeline that's just going to be a timeline that you'll be able to go to that's in real time.

00:25:38.000 And then there's other features, like I don't know if you've seen the new feature build out that we launched three weeks ago, Matt, but now we have a scroll at the top where you can actually go in and the people that you follow and interact with the most, they pop up on there.

00:25:50.000 So it's very easy.

00:25:52.000 We're trying We've accomplished it, keeping it easy to use, and hopefully with the new features we build out, it'll be even better.

00:26:00.000 And look, our goal's been very simple.

00:26:02.000 Hey, we have a question.

00:26:03.000 We have a question, Devin.

00:26:04.000 Someone's asking about Android and Truth.

00:26:06.000 What's the Android experience like?

00:26:10.000 Like I said, you can go to truesocial.com and you can bookmark it and get it on your Android.

00:26:18.000 It's a web system you have to use on Android.

00:26:20.000 That's correct.

00:26:21.000 What people want us to be in the Google Play Store.

00:26:27.000 And we're waiting on Google to approve it.

00:26:30.000 I mean, that's where we're at.

00:26:31.000 And, you know, we are uncancelable, except for two places.

00:26:37.000 And that is Apple App Store, we've got to be there, and the Google Play Store.

00:26:41.000 And we can't get around that.

00:26:43.000 You know, there's no way for, you know, we don't have enough money or time in the world to go develop a whole new phone system, operating system.

00:26:50.000 And so those two companies have, you know, essentially the entire market.

00:26:55.000 So look, the answer is they could approve us Today, if they wanted to.

00:27:01.000 We've got a lot of our Rumble listeners talking about how much they enjoy truth.

00:27:07.000 Truth Social today is busy, busy.

00:27:10.000 Frenzy Friday, says one of our viewers.

00:27:13.000 And another suggests that we ban TikTok.

00:27:16.000 You seem to be a person right at the intersection of intelligence and big tech.

00:27:21.000 Is TikTok a threat to national security, being that all that data ends up with the Chinese Communist Party?

00:27:26.000 Yeah, absolutely it is.

00:27:30.000 And I think it's also dangerous as to, in the long run, the types of algorithms that they can put into there that can actually begin to poison our young people.

00:27:39.000 And that's what I'm really worried about.

00:27:41.000 I've got three young daughters.

00:27:46.000 It's a challenge just to keep them off.

00:27:48.000 They have iPads.

00:27:49.000 At night, we try to make them put them away.

00:27:54.000 Right now, they're really not too happy with us because they got them taken away for the last week.

00:28:00.000 So it's a challenge.

00:28:02.000 And you can imagine, we don't let them be on TikTok, but you can imagine that what's happening to children and how they're being poisoned.

00:28:07.000 So it's not just the data, it's really the data that then you can take AI, build algorithms to then carry messages.

00:28:17.000 I mean, imagine the damage, if the Chinese really wanted to, that they could inflict on this country by just inundating our young people. 1.00

00:28:24.000 And they probably are already doing it.

00:28:26.000 And look, maybe it's just such a sewer pit, the Chinese don't have to do anything anyway. 1.00

00:28:30.000 But in the long run, it's a real problem.

00:28:33.000 I worry about giving the Chinese Communist Party an intelligence collection vector into every American home, into the life of every American family. 0.89

00:28:43.000 And I think the American people need to realize what a threat TikTok is.

00:28:47.000 Truth Social is a great alternative, a great way to interact with folks.

00:28:51.000 Congressman Devin Nunes is the CEO, Presidential Medal of Freedom winner, and the former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

00:28:59.000 Devin, thank you so much for joining me here on Firebrand, and we wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

00:29:04.000 I will, Matt, and one more thing.

00:29:06.000 I don't know if you know this, but just because it fits the work you do, and you should talk about this, but John Rich, country star, music star.

00:29:15.000 A week ago, launched.

00:29:17.000 He doesn't have a record label.

00:29:19.000 Nobody would play his song, Progress.

00:29:21.000 He launched it on True Social and put the video on Rumble.

00:29:24.000 It's now been number one for eight days straight.

00:29:28.000 Nice.

00:29:29.000 So to all the Rumble listeners that are listening now, thank you for the support.

00:29:33.000 I think it just goes to show you, even though we're really on our infancy, we really haven't even fully launched, and yet we have carried, we are beating the left at their own game.

00:29:44.000 I mean, John Rich is a talented guy.

00:29:46.000 The song is great.

00:29:47.000 But the fact that that song got banned and isn't being played by anyone, and Matt, I don't know if you've heard the song, but it's not like it's a Joe Biden sucks and Trump is great and Republicans are the best.

00:29:59.000 The song doesn't say that.

00:30:00.000 It's an artistic song about his feelings about the country now.

00:30:03.000 It doesn't even use the word Republican or Democrat.

00:30:06.000 It's absolutely madness.

00:30:08.000 That probably makes it more dangerous because it just is talking about common sense stuff, and that's what the left really can't combat.

00:30:14.000 Yeah.

00:30:15.000 Well, John Rich, The Song's Progress.

00:30:17.000 We'll encourage everyone to take a listen.

00:30:18.000 Yeah, I just wanted to make sure I said that to all the folks on Rumble.

00:30:21.000 Thanks for making that number one.

00:30:22.000 And Matt, thanks for all the work that you did during the dark days of the Russia Hoax.

00:30:27.000 You were always there as a fighter, and I'll always appreciate it.

00:30:30.000 And good luck, man.

00:30:31.000 Good luck with the deep state there.

00:30:33.000 Let me know if I can help.

00:30:34.000 All right, you always can.

00:30:35.000 Devin Nunes, thanks for joining us on Firebrand.

00:30:37.000 Thanks, Matt.

00:30:40.000 We are here live in the Longworth office building, and right now I want to give everyone a key update regarding what's happening on the House floor.

00:30:49.000 We've got H.R. 1808, the assault weapons ban of 2022. Now, this is legislation that was up in the House Judiciary Committee, and one of the things I found most offensive about this assault weapons ban, other than the abject attack on our Constitution that it clearly is, They exempt government federal bureaucrats.

00:31:11.000 Now, I guess you could understand the FBI are entities that have real law enforcement needs and capabilities, but this bill preserves assault weapons, weapons of war as the Democrats call them, for the Department of Education, for the IRS, for the Department of Agriculture.

00:31:33.000 And it shows that they're actually not really against firearms.

00:31:36.000 They're against you having them.

00:31:38.000 And a lot of Democrats don't understand the principal value of the Second Amendment to curate a balance between the government and free people that nurtures liberty and that does not allow tyranny.

00:31:51.000 And so before the August recess, they're trying to get this bill to the floor.

00:31:55.000 They're rushing it through.

00:31:56.000 We've got folks battling it out to try to get at least some amendments to Into the debate and discussion so that we can show the American people that this version of the Democratic Party is a gun-grabbing party, a freedom-squelching party.

00:32:11.000 I had a debate on this subject in the House Judiciary Committee recently.

00:32:15.000 Take a listen.

00:32:17.000 We warned the country.

00:32:19.000 We said, look, they're coming for your guns.

00:32:21.000 With these active shooter alert bills and red flag bills.

00:32:24.000 And they said, no, no, no.

00:32:26.000 We're not coming for your guns.

00:32:27.000 We just want reasonable regulations.

00:32:29.000 And now we get proven right.

00:32:31.000 They are coming for your guns.

00:32:33.000 They're listing them out in this extensive legislation to try to show people precisely what they ought to be afraid of.

00:32:42.000 And there's nothing to fear from Americans who are lawfully and responsibly using firearms.

00:32:51.000 Punishing law-abiding gun owners, that is the Democrat agenda today, and we are fighting against it in committee, on the floor, certainly with the vote that we can cast on behalf of the great people of Florida's first congressional district.

00:33:03.000 Now, you heard Devin Nunes recently talk about the need to really dissect the corruption that we see in the deep state.

00:33:12.000 And he would know, as the former chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Just yesterday, we had the head of the National Security Division of the Department of Justice before the Judiciary Committee.

00:33:23.000 I had a series of very thorough questions.

00:33:26.000 I didn't get a whole lot of answers.

00:33:29.000 Take a listen.

00:33:32.000 You won't tell me whether or not our own government was out there trying to operate through a cutout to buy software that spies on Americans illegally and improperly.

00:33:42.000 You won't tell me whether or not the legal wing of the Democratic Party was passing you information that was actually opposition research then to be recategorized and repackaged It's national security information, and you won't tell me whether the President of the United States is compromised when we know he's lying.

00:33:59.000 I mean, like Joe Biden came out and said repeatedly that he never talked to Hunter Biden about business, and here you have 14 documented meetings.

00:34:08.000 It's like, are you guys ever going to investigate this, or is it just going to be what Mr. Tebalt said, what Mr. Grassley said?

00:34:15.000 And that is that you guys are basically political shills.

00:34:18.000 I mean, look, this is what Mr. Grassley said.

00:34:20.000 If these allegations are true and accurate, the Justice Department and FBI are and have been institutionally corrupted to their very core, to the point at which the United States Congress and the American people will have no confidence in the equal application of the law.

00:34:33.000 Can't you see that's what your behavior is continuing to just metastasize?

00:34:39.000 So we don't conduct our investigations in public.

00:34:42.000 Yeah, you leak them.

00:34:43.000 That's what you did.

00:34:44.000 You leak them to try to scare people.

00:34:45.000 The gentleman's time has expired.

00:34:46.000 You may answer the question.

00:34:47.000 We take care that the assertions we make about facts are based on facts and evidence and are not reckless and false.

00:34:54.000 This isn't false.

00:34:56.000 This isn't reckless.

00:34:57.000 And you're just choosing not to investigate it because it's the Bidens.

00:35:02.000 We are going to have a lot more information on the podcast in the coming weeks regarding the oversight work that has to happen from the United States Congress and the information we've already pieced together regarding the Biden trips, Joe Biden taking Hunter to China.

00:35:18.000 And then lo and behold, one of Hunter's companies gets a Chinese license that had been toiling to get and had been unsuccessful for quite some time.

00:35:26.000 Boom.

00:35:27.000 He shows up on Air Force Two, gets a deal.

00:35:29.000 When Hunter Biden wanted to have his annual dinner for his fund to raise money, guess where he did it?

00:35:37.000 The Chinese Embassy in Washington, D.C. But he couldn't do that for free.

00:35:41.000 He had to come half an hour early for a little one-on-one with the ambassador.

00:35:46.000 And now what do we see?

00:35:47.000 The Biden administration has dismantled Trump's China initiative to focus prosecutorial efforts against Chinese influence peddling, against Chinese espionage in the United States of America.

00:36:01.000 President Trump knew that we had to have very, very tough policies to stop the Chinese from compromising our politicians and hollowing out our country for their benefit. 1.00

00:36:12.000 And the Bidens stopped it.

00:36:14.000 And I think they got paid a whole heck of a lot of money to do so.

00:36:18.000 So don't just think about Hunter Biden as some wayward son out doing his own thing.

00:36:24.000 No, no, no, no.

00:36:25.000 You've got Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Joe Biden's brother, all playing very distinct roles in the Biden crime family.

00:36:33.000 And we are going to have a lot of updates and a lot of documentation and evidence on that coming in weeks ahead.

00:36:40.000 Thanks so much for joining us on Firebrand Live here from the Capitol.

00:36:44.000 It's a busy day on Capitol Hill.

00:36:46.000 I want to keep everyone informed, engaged, active.

00:36:49.000 Action, action, action.

00:36:51.000 It's what we got to do, right?

00:36:52.000 Let's roll the credits.

Firebrand - Matt Gaetz - July 29, 2022

Episode 64 LIVE: Truth Bombs (feat. Rep. Devin Nunes) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

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