Firebrand - Matt Gaetz - March 01, 2023


Episode 91 LIVE: Detain or Remove (feat. Rep. Chip Roy) – Firebrand with Matt Gaetz

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Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) joins us live from the Rayburn House Office Building in Washington, D.C. to discuss the growing crisis on the southern border between the United States and Mexico, and the lack of resources to deal with the surge of illegal immigrants crossing the border. Rep. Gaetz is joined by Rep. Chip Roy (D-GAETTO) and Rep. Ruben Navarrette (R, AZ) to discuss how the border is being turned into a "turnstile" for illegal immigrants, and what Congress can do to fix it. Firebrand is a production of Firebrand, a conservative political organization that focuses on conservative politics and issues related to immigration and border security. Firebrand's mission is to expose the deep-rooted racism, xenophobia, and anti-Americanism within the Democratic Party, and expose the root causes of the border crisis, so that Americans can have a voice and have a say in what s happening on the ground and in their local government, and in the law and order in their everyday life. Subscribe today using our podcast s promo code: "WEAPONS" to receive 20% off your first pack! at checkout to receive $20 off your purchase of a Firebrand T-shirt or hoodie! Subscribe to our new ad-free version of our new podcast Firebrand! and become a supporter of the show on Apple Podcasts, wherever you get your ad is sold out! . Subscribe, rate and review the show! Rate, review, and subscribe to Firebrand. and review our new episodes! to help us spread the word out there about our new show Firebrand and keep us spreading the word to the rest of the world! Thank you for supporting the firebrand movement! We re burning it everywhere! - The Firebrand Revolution! Timestamps: 4:00:00 - 5:00 | 5:30 | 6:00 7:15 | 7:30 8:15 9:40 11: What's the deal? 12:10 15:00s 16:00 s 17:00 Is the deal we should have a birthright citizenship? 17 :00 18: What s the deal with birthright? 19:00? 21:00 Or do we have a baby in Mexico? 22:30 Is it illegal?

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00:00:00.000 Thank you.
00:04:31.000 In battle, Congressman Matt Gates.
00:04:47.000 Matt Gaetz was one of the very few members in the entire Congress who bothered to stand up against permanent Washington on behalf of his constituents.
00:04:55.000 Matt Gaetz right now, he's a problem for the Democratic Party.
00:04:57.000 He can cause a lot of hiccups in passing the clause.
00:05:00.000 So we're going to keep running those stories to keep hurting him.
00:05:04.000 If you stand for the flag and kneel in prayer, if you want to build America up and not burn her to the ground, then welcome, my fellow patriots!
00:05:13.000 You are in the right place!
00:05:14.000 This is the movement for you!
00:05:17.000 You ever watch this guy on television?
00:05:19.000 It's like a machine.
00:05:20.000 Matt Gaetz.
00:05:21.000 I'm a canceled man in some corners of the internet.
00:05:25.000 Many days I'm a marked man in Congress, a wanted man by the deep state.
00:05:29.000 They aren't really coming for me.
00:05:31.000 They're coming for you.
00:05:33.000 I'm just in the way.
00:05:39.000 Welcome back to Firebrand.
00:05:40.000 We are broadcasting live out of room 2021 of the Rayburn House Office Building here in Washington, D.C., our nation's capital.
00:05:48.000 And today's episode is going to bring you behind the scenes into the negotiations and the specific policy prescriptions for this border crisis.
00:05:57.000 And we know we're going to get no help from the Democrats at all, so it's critical to know what the leading Republicans are thinking, where the pushback is coming from, what we think we can do, where we see Poison pills and red lines.
00:06:11.000 Chip Roy, the author of some of the best legislation to deal with the border crisis, joins Firebrand.
00:06:18.000 We're going to have a great discussion for you.
00:06:21.000 And we have got folks tuning in from everywhere.
00:06:23.000 Just during our preview, folks checked in from Texas, Alaska.
00:06:28.000 A lot of people from Ohio, Missouri, had some New Yorkers, Pennsylvania, a Californian, Oklahoma, Tennessee guy.
00:06:36.000 And of course, the best state in the country, the Sunshine State, my home state of Florida.
00:06:42.000 So last week, I left Florida, went to Yuma, Arizona, where the House Judiciary Committee held a field hearing on the condition of the border.
00:06:51.000 And Americans living on the border are tired of being neglected.
00:06:56.000 They want their voices heard.
00:06:58.000 And before the hearing, We had this opportunity to get a grasp of the situation on the ground, seeing how services were stretched, how people were treated.
00:07:08.000 And we visited the border itself, a hospital, a food bank.
00:07:13.000 And believe me, what I discovered will absolutely shock you or even will it anymore with how much we've seen our border turned into a turnstile.
00:07:23.000 Millions of people here without permission or process.
00:07:27.000 When we went, the first thing we did when I landed in Yuma was tour the regional hospital.
00:07:32.000 Now, you've heard Democrats talk about hospital access and healthcare and a whole lot of elections, but they don't seem to mind when the hospitals are overrun by illegals in communities on the front line of this crisis. 0.86
00:07:45.000 And that's exactly what was going on in Yuma, Arizona.
00:07:50.000 Newborn babies are not getting the care that they need to stay alive because illegal immigrants are clogging up the hospital. 1.00
00:07:58.000 These illegals are coming in sick with some diseases that we didn't even know existed in the United States anymore. 0.99
00:08:05.000 And they're speaking So many different languages.
00:08:08.000 It is not just Spanish anymore.
00:08:10.000 It's like the United Nations down there, and the hospital has to divert time from patients to go find translators for every language under the sun, from Russian to Cyrillic to Mandarin, you name it.
00:08:24.000 1,900 migrants were treated during the last surge at just this one hospital in Yuma, and many of them were admitted due to pregnancy.
00:08:35.000 These illegals are coming in pregnant, oftentimes so that they can have anchor babies and take advantage of our entitlement systems. 1.00
00:08:44.000 In fact, the Mexican illegals in particular like to cross the border, have their babies in America, then go back and live in Mexico where it's cheaper, all the while sending their kids to our schools, collecting our welfare. 1.00
00:09:02.000 Utilizing all of the privileges that we ought to preciously hold for Americans.
00:09:08.000 Now, the cartels do this a lot.
00:09:11.000 They actually go have their mamacitas have the next generation of cartel talent born in our country. 1.00
00:09:19.000 And some of these kids, these students, these minors that are going from Mexico to the United States are carrying and smuggling fentanyl because they know if they have not reached the age of majority, there will be a different penalty structure.
00:09:32.000 So they bake that into their business plan.
00:09:36.000 This is why.
00:09:37.000 I am going to lead the fight in the Congress to end birthright citizenship by fraud. 0.75
00:09:43.000 And a lot of Republicans don't talk like that, but President Trump did, and he was right.
00:09:48.000 Birthright citizenship is not this universally accepted construct in the Western world.
00:09:54.000 It just isn't.
00:09:55.000 And we ought to protect and care about our birthright so much that we don't just hand it out willy-nilly.
00:10:02.000 Americans continue to see our citizenship that is precious diluted.
00:10:09.000 And this happens as our services are strained.
00:10:13.000 The hospital beds that these illegals are taking are forcing American mothers to either wait to give birth in cases where you have a scheduled inducement or have babies at home. 0.94
00:10:25.000 Terrible.
00:10:26.000 These Americans are paying taxes oftentimes to support the healthcare in their communities.
00:10:31.000 And yet, it's being overrun.
00:10:36.000 Now, the hospital we visited doesn't have enough neonatal intensive care unit beds to support all of the illegal alien babies and the babies who are there as a consequence of the citizens and legal residents of Yuma. 1.00
00:10:54.000 That is because 25% of illegal births end up in the NICU. Let me say that again.
00:11:02.000 25%.
00:11:04.000 Of the births that these illegal migrants are having and engaged in, 25%, one in four require the NICU. That's really something. 0.98
00:11:14.000 Way higher, obviously, than the average that we see as the standard of care in the United States.
00:11:21.000 This is why some NICU babies are being sent hours away to the closest hospital all the way in Phoenix.
00:11:27.000 It's 170 miles away.
00:11:28.000 Just imagine the fear and the wave of emotion that parents have to go through when they're traveling 170 miles away to a NICU bed in Phoenix.
00:11:40.000 I cannot imagine putting people in such a vulnerable situation in life itself in a worse position.
00:11:48.000 So watch this clip from our field hearing where we discuss the NICU situation with the president of the Yuma Regional Medical Center, Dr. Robert Trenchell-Ticholissen.
00:12:02.000 Now, Dr. Trenchell, about one in four of the migrants who use birthing services at your hospital need neonatal intensive care unit services, NICU, right?
00:12:11.000 That is true, yes.
00:12:12.000 And that rate, one in four, is way higher than with the non-migrant population, right?
00:12:17.000 Very much higher, correct.
00:12:18.000 You've got about 20 beds at any given time.
00:12:20.000 Correct.
00:12:21.000 And they fill up sometimes, don't they?
00:12:23.000 Yes, they do.
00:12:23.000 And so when you have those beds that are full up because of the pressure of these migrant communities, where do you have to send the residents of Yuma when they have a baby that needs NICU? We would have to fly them to Phoenix or another venue.
00:12:38.000 And that's 170 miles away.
00:12:40.000 Yes, it is.
00:12:40.000 There are few prayers that I have ever seen more sincere and deeper than the prayers of parents when their little babies are at the NICU. And for all the folks on the left who want to lecture to us about how humane an open border is, there is nothing humane about putting a parent on a 170-mile journey when they need NICU services.
00:13:07.000 So we're back live in just one hospital in Yuma alone.
00:13:11.000 There's $26 million in uncompensated care that the hospital just has to eat as a consequence of these illegal aliens. 1.00
00:13:18.000 Who knows how many Americans haven't gotten the care that they need to stay alive.
00:13:25.000 Why should Americans pay astronomically high hospital bills when illegals are getting treated for free? 1.00
00:13:31.000 They don't even get a bill.
00:13:32.000 They just go in and it's socialized medicine for them.
00:13:37.000 It's not sustainable and it's not fair.
00:13:41.000 Misguided charities also play their role.
00:13:44.000 They're getting illegal aliens into the hospital and then their work is done. 1.00
00:13:48.000 They just ditch them.
00:13:49.000 They're not part of the cost structure or the finance structure.
00:13:52.000 They just bring illegal aliens to the hospital, dump them off there. 1.00
00:13:56.000 The hospital staff told me that they're having to take extra shifts because they are so overwhelmed by this phenomenon.
00:14:03.000 And part of the reason they're so overburdened is because they aren't allowed to discharge illegal alien patients When there's follow-up care or outpatient care needed. 0.95
00:14:14.000 That's because we don't know where the migrants will show up next.
00:14:17.000 So think about that.
00:14:18.000 Two patients.
00:14:19.000 Patient A, patient B. They both present precisely the same symptoms.
00:14:23.000 They get exactly the same care and they would both be ready for discharge.
00:14:27.000 They'll discharge The non-illegal alien, but if there's like a two or three day follow-up that's medically necessary afterwards, they don't really believe that the illegal alien maybe is going to come back or whatever.
00:14:41.000 They don't want to get sued for not providing aftercare.
00:14:43.000 So they will keep that person in the hospital bed, meaning that it's not available for an American citizen.
00:14:50.000 And all the while we're bending over backwards for illegals, I'm told The stories of how ungrateful some of them are. 0.98
00:14:59.000 Not all, but some.
00:15:01.000 Time and again I heard stories in Yuma that some of the Haitians that are crossing our southern border are behaving the worst.
00:15:09.000 They demand that the hospital staff, in some cases, secure their travel to a destination of their choice.
00:15:16.000 It's not like It's not a travel agency.
00:15:20.000 It's a hospital.
00:15:22.000 Some of these Haitian immigrants have even threatened cab drivers. 0.84
00:15:25.000 They destroy the motels and hospitals that had been resourced for them.
00:15:31.000 Think about that.
00:15:32.000 The hospital goes and they're treating a family member.
00:15:35.000 They get a motel or hotel bed for other family members and they go and trash the place.
00:15:40.000 I'm starting to understand why Haiti is such a mess. 1.00
00:15:43.000 But the trip did not end there.
00:15:45.000 Next we visited a food bank and we met with the chairwoman of the food bank and local farmers that were generous enough to donate their extra crop to this non-profit out of community service and duty and obligation.
00:15:58.000 The chairwoman of this food bank started off telling us how ungrateful so many of the migrants are. 1.00
00:16:04.000 Apparently the migrants are picky about the type of food they want to eat and how much they get. 0.88
00:16:11.000 Unsurprisingly, oftentimes we were told that it's the Haitians who are the worst offenders again.
00:16:18.000 Everywhere they go, we seem to hear similar complaints. 0.92
00:16:23.000 Meanwhile, as if dealing with this mess wasn't enough for the food bank, they're understaffed.
00:16:29.000 And I kept thinking an obvious good solution here would be to have work requirements.
00:16:33.000 If people are able to provide something to contribute or help, that they should get the benefit of that holistic engagement with the food bank.
00:16:46.000 I think, federally, if you want other people to pay for your Medicaid or Your SNAP or your food stamps or whatever, there should be work requirements for able-bodied adults.
00:16:57.000 Not the sick, not the infirm, not senior citizens, but like able-bodied adults who want help from others that are able to volunteer at a food bank, like the one I went to in Yuma, Arizona, should do so.
00:17:11.000 Mexico has work requirements.
00:17:14.000 Mexico.
00:17:15.000 So why can't we?
00:17:16.000 You want food from the food bank?
00:17:18.000 Get to work.
00:17:21.000 The poor farmers we met with, oh my gosh. 0.68
00:17:24.000 They tell me that they have to destroy massive amounts of crop every season because illegal aliens tread through their fields and defecate everywhere.
00:17:36.000 When even so much as a human footprint is found, these farmers have to destroy all the crops in a five-foot radius.
00:17:44.000 They put up no trespassing signs, but of course that doesn't stop illegal immigration.
00:17:50.000 The people across the border illegally don't have much respect for private property rights. 0.97
00:17:54.000 I can assure you of that.
00:17:56.000 The Biden administration and Secretary Mayorkas need to step up and protect our farmers and our food supply and the safety of what we're eating.
00:18:04.000 Chances are, if you're eating a green leafy vegetable that grows during the winter months, you're probably eating something farmed around our southern border.
00:18:13.000 This is not a joke.
00:18:14.000 And our current administration is treating it like one.
00:18:19.000 Now, for the grand finale, we visited the border itself and it too was shocking.
00:18:23.000 We headed out at about 3 a.m.
00:18:25.000 and immediately ran into a large group of illegals being processed at a gap in our wall.
00:18:32.000 Now, why would there be a gap in the wall?
00:18:34.000 It's because where President Trump's wall runs right up to an Indian reservation.
00:18:40.000 And lo and behold, we had a recalcitrant Indian tribe that said, no wall! 1.00
00:18:46.000 Through the area that adjoins our reservation.
00:18:48.000 And the result is that we know where to go every night where we're going to find hundreds of people coming through a drop house.
00:18:55.000 Now, these weren't Mexicans.
00:18:57.000 They were Central Americans, Georgians, Dominicans, Chinese, and others.
00:19:06.000 This is new.
00:19:08.000 I had not seen a whole lot of Chinese in the migrant populations previously.
00:19:13.000 Now, Border Patrol agents were telling me That nine out of every ten groups has someone from China.
00:19:19.000 Think about that.
00:19:20.000 Watch this footage that we took that night in Yuma.
00:19:23.000 Listen to what we uncovered.
00:19:25.000 Play the clip. - So we're hearing from the Border Patrol that these groups are never homogenous.
00:19:46.000 It's never all from one country.
00:19:48.000 Here you've got people from South America.
00:19:56.000 You've got folks from Asia, China.
00:20:02.000 China.
00:20:04.000 Beijing, where from China?
00:20:06.000 - - - - So they went from China to Turkey?
00:20:21.000 Yeah.
00:20:22.000 To South America?
00:20:23.000 Yeah.
00:20:23.000 None of these folks look like they've had a particularly arduous trek.
00:20:28.000 What you'd say a lot of times these are three to five days maximum.
00:20:32.000 They fly from their country of origin to Mexico City, Mexico City to Mexicali.
00:20:36.000 Some of them actually fly into Tijuana, and then they take an Uber.
00:20:39.000 That's where the majority of the Russians are going. 1.00
00:20:40.000 It's a better flight.
00:20:42.000 Just this side, there's a large date grove of trees right there, and inside of that is one of the drop houses.
00:20:49.000 And so they will come from the Mexicali Airport, they will wait right there, and then they will cross in groups.
00:20:55.000 I mean, how many people do you think have been processed through that drop house?
00:20:59.000 Because you and I have been to this exact spot.
00:21:02.000 500,000 people.
00:21:03.000 At a minimum of $6,000 a person.
00:21:08.000 Right?
00:21:08.000 At a minimum.
00:21:12.000 About $77,000 is what they paid.
00:21:20.000 $77,000?
00:21:21.000 Yeah.
00:21:22.000 That's a lot of money.
00:21:23.000 And where are you going?
00:21:25.000 In a family In what state?
00:21:29.000 Florida Florida?
00:21:33.000 In what city?
00:21:33.000 I'm from Florida Where?
00:21:37.000 Miami Beach?
00:21:38.000 Florida Beach?
00:21:39.000 It said Florida Beach.
00:21:40.000 Venice?
00:21:43.000 Venice.
00:21:43.000 What is a sheet of paper everyone seems to be holding?
00:21:45.000 They all seem to be holding kind of a similar paperwork.
00:21:49.000 And that probably is their travel itinerary, so they can prove where they've been because this is, hey, we just got here.
00:21:55.000 We haven't been in a safe country.
00:21:58.000 Are these people all going to say, I'm here seeking asylum?
00:22:01.000 Only 35% are claiming asylum.
00:22:03.000 So what are the rest of them?
00:22:04.000 The rest of them are just...
00:22:06.000 What's the permission structure to allow the rest of them to not be detained or removed?
00:22:10.000 We should ask the president.
00:22:12.000 And how many hours will most of these people be released to me?
00:22:16.000 48 hours.
00:22:17.000 48 hours.
00:22:18.000 I mean, the hundred plus certainly that you see here will be walking among our fellow Americans.
00:22:24.000 We are back live.
00:22:32.000 The live stream was fired up with that report.
00:22:35.000 Peter on Facebook has seen enough and wants to see articles of impeachment.
00:22:40.000 I think he's talking about Joe Biden, but certainly Mayorkas deserves impeachment.
00:22:44.000 But I'll give you the tea.
00:22:46.000 We do not have the votes to impeach Joe Biden or Mayorkas right now.
00:22:50.000 We have a four seat majority.
00:22:52.000 And if there's going to be a sincere impeachment effort regarding the border, and by the way, there should be the American people.
00:23:00.000 Have to get on their members of Congress and on their senators to indicate that that is their demand.
00:23:06.000 And the people have to demand that or it will not happen.
00:23:08.000 Washington will not generate that outcome.
00:23:10.000 Ed on Rumble says, finish the wall.
00:23:13.000 And one thing I could tell you, you didn't see these massive groups of hundreds of people coming where there was wall.
00:23:21.000 The wall and the wheel, the two things that will never go out of style.
00:23:25.000 Now, what's interesting from that video, you will see, is that these were not poor, huddled masses, yearning to breathe free air.
00:23:32.000 These are people wearing designer jackets, nice shoes.
00:23:35.000 They paid tens of thousands of dollars to cartels to be allowed to cross.
00:23:39.000 These illegals... 1.00
00:23:41.000 Likely flew into Mexico several days before and Ubered to a cartel stash house before they crossed.
00:23:49.000 That is how broken our system is.
00:23:52.000 And these aren't even the worst of the illegals. 0.78
00:23:55.000 Border Patrol tells me that some illegals who can't afford the trip are forced to have to make a deal with the cartel.
00:24:03.000 Maybe they have to carry drugs. 0.65
00:24:05.000 Maybe they have to become unindentured servants after they cross. 1.00
00:24:09.000 Some are even raped to exact that last toll before they cross.
00:24:15.000 When we do not secure our border, we are perpetrating rape and smuggling and human slavery.
00:24:23.000 And the funny thing is, securing our border shouldn't be hard.
00:24:28.000 It isn't for a whole lot of countries on the planet Earth.
00:24:32.000 The Biden administration has turned the Border Patrol into a concierge service for illegal aliens.
00:24:39.000 They meet the illegals at the border.
00:24:41.000 Usher them into the country. 1.00
00:24:43.000 Give them paperwork that allows them to get a job and work.
00:24:47.000 And they let them loose in our neighborhoods and in our communities.
00:24:51.000 The only thing stopping Border Patrol from doing their job and securing their border is the political will of political leaders.
00:24:58.000 Because the people who work at Border Patrol, they have patriotism and will and determination to get the job done.
00:25:07.000 But we have them shackled to a broken system.
00:25:12.000 Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas told local leaders that he would plug the gaps in the wall and secure the border.
00:25:19.000 But apparently that was just talk.
00:25:21.000 Listen to this exchange I had with the supervisor of District 2 in Yuma County, Jonathan Lyons.
00:25:28.000 Take a listen.
00:25:30.000 Supervisor Lyons, we hear Secretary Mayorkas come to us all the time on the Judiciary Committee and testify that the most important partnerships above all else for the Department of Homeland Security are the partnerships with local officials.
00:25:47.000 We hear it time and again.
00:25:49.000 And so here is my simple question for you.
00:25:52.000 Has Secretary Mayorkas ever lied to you?
00:25:55.000 Yes.
00:25:57.000 And what was the substance of that lie?
00:26:00.000 So the mayor and I had the opportunity to visit with Secretary Mayorkas and the Yuma sector chief, as well as the chief of the entire Border Patrol at sector headquarters almost a year ago.
00:26:13.000 And during that meeting, he committed to, after reviewing the border, both from the ground and the air, to specifically address, quote unquote, nine of the 11 Yuma gaps.
00:26:26.000 And how many of those gaps have been addressed?
00:26:28.000 To date so far, none.
00:26:31.000 We see infrastructure on two, and yet they will not deter anyone.
00:26:36.000 This is my fourth time here with you.
00:26:38.000 I think if I come any more often, I'm going to be eligible to vote on you, McKenna.
00:26:41.000 Thank you for coming back, Matt.
00:26:43.000 But in these circumstances, it seems as though it's not a great mystery where the pressure points are, where we have gaps in the wall, and where we have recalcitrant.
00:26:53.000 Tribes.
00:26:54.000 And so in those circumstances, should we observe that this is a lack of capability or a lack of will to go and plug those holes?
00:27:04.000 A lack of will.
00:27:05.000 We've followed up multiple times, as well as Yuma Sector Border Patrol staff and with undersecretaries, and we were told time and time again that they were issuing contracts, that we would have it no later than June of last year, then no later than September, then no later than November.
00:27:22.000 Every time it kept getting pushed out.
00:27:24.000 So would a reasonable person observe that this is on purpose?
00:27:28.000 My wife says I'm not a very patient person, but I was patient every time that I called.
00:27:34.000 And they continued to push this process out.
00:27:39.000 It's not reasonable.
00:27:40.000 Well, the American people are losing their patience.
00:27:42.000 We ought to be losing ours.
00:27:44.000 And while we greatly appreciate the three of you being here to answer our questions, the day will come soon when Secretary Mayorkas has to come and answer our questions.
00:27:53.000 And to my colleagues, if he'll lie to Mr. Lyons and lie to the community here, then he will lie to us and he will lie to the American people.
00:28:01.000 And that's why I'm very proud to co-sponsor Representatives Big's Articles of Impeachment against Secretary Mayorkas because this is not a lack of ability.
00:28:10.000 It is a lack of will.
00:28:14.000 There you have it.
00:28:16.000 Mayorkas lied through his teeth. 0.58
00:28:18.000 He has no intention of doing this job.
00:28:21.000 So Congress needs to do its job and impeach him.
00:28:23.000 We need to hold the executive branch accountable.
00:28:27.000 For real.
00:28:29.000 Lives and livelihoods are at stake.
00:28:31.000 Think about those parents who can't get access to their NICU beds, if nothing else.
00:28:35.000 The crisis at our southern border is unsustainable.
00:28:39.000 It's time we found the will to put a stop to the madness, and we need to secure our borders, and we must do it immediately.
00:28:46.000 The time to act has but passed, and any Republican who refuses to do our critical oversight work It's certainly not serving the interests of their constituents.
00:28:58.000 Now, one member who is is my good friend, Congressman Chip Roy of Texas.
00:29:03.000 And there's specific legislation.
00:29:05.000 So in the first part of the show here, we've gone through the problem, laying it out, where the blame lies, what the consequences are.
00:29:12.000 But I want you to get an understanding of what the possible solutions are, who's backing them, and who's standing in the way.
00:29:19.000 This is my conversation moments ago with Chip Roy of Texas.
00:29:25.000 We're here with Chip Roy of Texas.
00:29:27.000 Congressman Roy, describe the legislation you've put forward to deal with this border crisis.
00:29:32.000 Yeah, great to be with you, Matt.
00:29:33.000 Thanks for everything you do.
00:29:34.000 I put together a bill last year in the last Congress.
00:29:37.000 I introduced it last fall.
00:29:39.000 It is in this Congress, H.R. 29. And the bill's purpose was actually to try to capitalize on the fact that all Republicans seem to agree that we should enforce Title 42 during a pandemic.
00:29:51.000 So my thinking was, why should that be limited to pandemic, right?
00:29:56.000 Why don't we want to have the Secretary of Homeland Security have the power to be able to say, hey, if we've got a flood at our border, maybe we should be able to say we can use the same power that we were using under Title 42 and that President Trump very successfully used in his administration to turn away at the border unless...
00:30:16.000 You've got the capacity and the beds and the ability to process asylum claims.
00:30:21.000 That's it.
00:30:21.000 It's an end encounter and release bill.
00:30:24.000 It's a follow existing laws bill.
00:30:27.000 And the vast majority of Republicans, and certainly our constituents, fully support it.
00:30:31.000 It's a handful that are raising some questions, and hopefully we'll go through regular ordering committees.
00:30:35.000 Yeah, no, I want to understand the objections and lay them out in a moment.
00:30:38.000 But first, everyone gets it.
00:30:39.000 Is it fair to assume, then, that if the royal legislation were a law, That everyone we encountered at the border, we would either detain or turn away.
00:30:49.000 Correct.
00:30:50.000 And again, I want to be very clear.
00:30:51.000 That is analogous to how we're enforcing Title 42 under the pandemic laws, but also inconsistent with what President Trump was doing with respect to the return to Mexico migrant protection protocols, saying, hey, if we're not going to be able to process you, you're going to stay there.
00:31:07.000 And then we'll do the best we can to process you.
00:31:10.000 And guess what?
00:31:10.000 The numbers plummeted.
00:31:12.000 Yeah.
00:31:12.000 If we had detain or turn away, how would Mexico respond?
00:31:16.000 Would they let everyone just traverse their country?
00:31:18.000 Of course not.
00:31:19.000 Of course not.
00:31:20.000 And by the way, when they say, well, Mexico wouldn't agree to do this.
00:31:23.000 Of course they would if we say so.
00:31:24.000 Right?
00:31:24.000 That's what President Trump did.
00:31:25.000 He basically told them.
00:31:26.000 Hey, we're going to actually affect trade policy.
00:31:30.000 We could say, for example, we're going to shut down traffic coming across I-35 in Texas or the gas lines or whatever you want to do and get Mexico to the table. 1.00
00:31:39.000 But they'll do it.
00:31:39.000 They have to do it.
00:31:41.000 And at the end of the day, it would be better for migrants. 0.98
00:31:43.000 It would be better for Americans.
00:31:45.000 I'm sitting sick and tired of Americans dying from fentanyl and little girls and little kids getting sold into the sex trafficking and human trafficking trade because we refuse to do our job.
00:31:55.000 Do you think that the detain or turn away policy gets communicated internally with the cartels and the human trafficking networks?
00:32:03.000 Of course, because here's the thing, and the human beings involved, who's going to want to pay $5,000 or $10,000 to a cartel?
00:32:12.000 To be transported up to the border to then be told, sorry, you can't come in and claim asylum and get released.
00:32:18.000 They're in fact going to go through the whole effort of processing it.
00:32:22.000 We just got data that for fiscal year 22, when they looked at all the reports, that it was about 10% of the total that had any kind of an asylum claim that would allow them to come in.
00:32:33.000 And that's probably a pretty liberal interpretation of it, to be honest.
00:32:37.000 But at the end of the day, there are people who deserve it.
00:32:40.000 For example, I was in South Florida.
00:32:41.000 And I got picked up in an Uber.
00:32:43.000 Nice guy.
00:32:43.000 He heard me on an interview with AP talking about H.R. 29 and asylum.
00:32:47.000 And so I hang up and he goes, what was that all about?
00:32:52.000 And I said, well, talking about asylum policy.
00:32:54.000 And he said to me, I came from Venezuela.
00:32:56.000 I was in the military in Venezuela.
00:32:58.000 I came to the United States three years ago with my wife and two kids.
00:33:02.000 While I was here, my friend in the military, who was contra the government like I was, was beheaded and killed.
00:33:09.000 He then claimed asylum.
00:33:10.000 You know what?
00:33:11.000 That's what it's for.
00:33:12.000 When someone you know is going to be persecuted, they're going to be targeted by government for their political beliefs or religious beliefs, you and I both believe and Americans believe compassionate country, help them.
00:33:22.000 It is not a come here, flood into the country, turn our country upside down, and then make a mockery of the entire rule of law.
00:33:29.000 That guy's name was Daniel.
00:33:31.000 He asked me, what do you do?
00:33:32.000 I said, I'm in Congress.
00:33:33.000 He goes, are you a Republican or Democrat?
00:33:34.000 I said, Republican.
00:33:35.000 He put a thumbs up.
00:33:36.000 He said, good.
00:33:36.000 And he goes, you've got to protect this country because where else would I go?
00:33:41.000 Some of our Republican colleagues have said that your turn away or detain policy guts asylum and that doesn't provide asylum for people who are worthy.
00:33:50.000 And that's the reason we have Republicans, Texas Republicans, matter of fact, saying that they're not going to vote for your bill for that reason.
00:33:57.000 What's your response?
00:33:58.000 Well, it's Texas Republican.
00:34:00.000 It's one.
00:34:01.000 But the response is simply this.
00:34:03.000 It doesn't touch asylum law.
00:34:05.000 It doesn't.
00:34:06.000 It doesn't change the existing laws whatsoever with respect to someone being able to come to this country and claim asylum.
00:34:12.000 What it does is simply says you cannot be released into the United States until and unless we adjudicate your claim for asylum to make sure it's real.
00:34:21.000 So right now, the people who show up tonight at Eagle Pass— And come across.
00:34:27.000 They'll all say, you know, we're here for our official protection.
00:34:29.000 Right.
00:34:30.000 And when you're under the Roy doctrine, we'd say, okay, very well.
00:34:35.000 So you go wait in Mexico or some other safe third country for that assessment to be made.
00:34:41.000 Correct.
00:34:41.000 Or until we have the judges lined up, if that's in three months or six months, we'll pull you in and we'll then make your claim and process it.
00:34:48.000 But look, here's the truth, though.
00:34:50.000 The numbers would drop precipitously so that the people who have legitimate claims would still be able to come here and find a bed.
00:34:58.000 In a lot of ways, the people with legitimate asylum claims are the victims of an over-flooded system where they can never get that adjudication because you've got people who...
00:35:06.000 Let's face it.
00:35:07.000 For most of our lives, people have come to the United States across the southern border for fundamentally the same reason.
00:35:12.000 Life where they live is not as good as life here.
00:35:14.000 Correct.
00:35:15.000 And you know what?
00:35:15.000 God bless them for it.
00:35:16.000 Neither you nor I begrudge them.
00:35:18.000 I don't blame them.
00:35:18.000 No.
00:35:19.000 I blame us.
00:35:20.000 And by the way, by doing what we're doing, We're weakening our fellow neighbors in Central America and South America and the Western Hemisphere.
00:35:28.000 We should be exporting the rule of law, having a strong world in the Western Hemisphere.
00:35:32.000 That would push back on China without having to have endless wars abroad in the name of who knows what. 0.94
00:35:37.000 And we should have a strong border for our betterment and their betterment and migrants' betterment. 0.99
00:35:42.000 Frankly, it's much ado about nothing, but people are trying to wrongly claim things about this bill that are scaring people away, and it's intentional.
00:35:50.000 And that's the way this town works.
00:35:51.000 So let's talk about the Republican strategy on this, because I would put up your bill, and I would be willing to allow it to fail, even if we didn't have the votes.
00:36:00.000 And you know what?
00:36:01.000 Today we probably don't, to be honest.
00:36:02.000 We probably do not have the votes to pass your bill.
00:36:04.000 But I would like the American people to see who is willing to vote for detain or turn away, where the objections are, and then let's suss those out.
00:36:12.000 And you know what?
00:36:13.000 If we have to come back in a few weeks or a few months and attempt another bill, then we'll have to do that.
00:36:18.000 Correct.
00:36:19.000 Why will that not happen?
00:36:21.000 Well, I'm still hopeful that it could happen, but I think it's because in this town, everybody's always looking to figure out how they can get the perfect scenario, and we only want to put forward things that everybody can vote for because it might hurt them in an election, rather than saying, look, we just want to advance good policy.
00:36:37.000 You're going to have to either decide if you're with it or not.
00:36:40.000 And sometimes you've got to take tough votes.
00:36:42.000 I voted against a measure today on the floor that I generally supported the structure for, but I didn't think it went far enough.
00:36:48.000 It exempted the ability for us to get reports about how inflation is caused by national security or emergency-related spending.
00:36:57.000 I don't like our defense guys and others to be able to hide behind those important things to spend money we don't have.
00:37:03.000 Sometimes you've got to take tough votes in order to get change.
00:37:06.000 Yeah.
00:37:06.000 I even think the money we're sending to Ukraine is inflationary because that cash makes its way back into U.S. real estate markets through corrupt bank accounts in Switzerland and Dubai.
00:37:17.000 It's also like our friend Thomas Massey would say.
00:37:19.000 It's like every time you're printing money, which is where that money is coming from, we're printing it.
00:37:23.000 We're not offsetting it.
00:37:23.000 Then you're actually diluting the value of our dollars, which is effectively a tax.
00:37:27.000 You can buy fewer goods and services because of it.
00:37:29.000 What border bill do you think this Republican team could pass?
00:37:33.000 Because I'm starting to worry that the only border security bill that would have 218 votes today would just be legislation to increase the efficiency of processing people into our country.
00:37:45.000 Yeah, so that's the real problem, right?
00:37:46.000 So we'll watch and see what happens, what comes out of the Homeland Security Committee, even if it's in good faith.
00:37:51.000 They say, well, we need some more dollars and some more vehicles and some more technology and more spending for more Border Patrol agents and maybe be able to give them, you know, retention bonuses.
00:37:59.000 I can support some of those policies, but only if it's in conjunction with the policies that you need to provide Border Patrol to actually do their job.
00:38:08.000 Because otherwise, what you're paying for is more processing.
00:38:11.000 You're paying for more flow.
00:38:12.000 You're paying for more profits for cartels because you're incentivizing people coming to our country because your policy literally is encounter and release.
00:38:22.000 And that just says to the cartels, keep them coming.
00:38:24.000 There are only three things you can do with people.
00:38:27.000 Turn them away, detain them, or release them into your country. 1.00
00:38:30.000 Right.
00:38:30.000 And you're saying that that list of three should be reduced down to two.
00:38:34.000 Correct.
00:38:34.000 And look, it's one of those things where right now people don't understand we're using a power of parole to release people in the United States, which literally says in the statute, case by case basis for special circumstances, something to those words.
00:38:50.000 And this administration is just using parole to bring in blocks of people.
00:38:54.000 Directly contrary to law.
00:38:56.000 And then we're releasing people at the border directly contrary to law.
00:39:00.000 Our bill is designed to try to force us to actually adhere to the law.
00:39:03.000 That's nothing more, nothing less.
00:39:05.000 Yeah, it's really not that complicated at all.
00:39:07.000 Three pages.
00:39:08.000 Yeah, it takes three options down in two.
00:39:10.000 So one of the other arguments Republican colleagues make is we have to take whatever the, you know, border hawk, Chip Roy theory of the case is, and we have to lash that to some feature of amnesty.
00:39:21.000 Right.
00:39:21.000 Maybe DACA, maybe some work permit pathway to citizenship for people that have been doing that for a while.
00:39:31.000 What is your assessment of how much amnesty can be traded for how much border security?
00:39:38.000 I think it's important for your listeners to remember, and you were here and I wasn't.
00:39:41.000 I was campaigning for my first time to come into office.
00:39:44.000 In the summer of 2018, they had the famous debate over the Goodlatte Bill in July.
00:39:49.000 Most Americans wouldn't know it that way, but we just had a fight over border security and immigration.
00:39:53.000 Little known to most people is that almost every Republican, including Freedom Caucus members and conservatives, voted for an amnesty.
00:40:02.000 They actually voted for it.
00:40:03.000 800,000 for DACA recipients, the kids.
00:40:06.000 Almost a million.
00:40:07.000 As part of a package to try to improve our immigration system, end chain migration, end the diversity visas, fix it so it's skilled labor, and have an actual border security solution, which would have prevented a lot of what we're seeing now. 0.52
00:40:19.000 But it fell short because the Republican leadership at the time, fully in the hip pocket of the Chamber of Commerce, wanted something a lot softer.
00:40:27.000 And so the idea that we get attacked often and saying, you guys are just closed-minded.
00:40:31.000 You'll never compromise.
00:40:32.000 Not true.
00:40:33.000 We literally compromised that summer for an amnesty for a million people.
00:40:38.000 Look, this time, we are not going to start with amnesty.
00:40:42.000 That is a non-starter.
00:40:43.000 So DACA is a poison pill to any border security.
00:40:46.000 We should not go down that road until we secure the border of the United States.
00:40:50.000 Ronald Reagan in 1986, he says one of his biggest mistakes, which was cutting a deal for a future promise of security for an amnesty then.
00:40:57.000 We are not going to go down that road.
00:40:59.000 That is non-starter.
00:41:00.000 Our job is to secure the border of the United States.
00:41:03.000 Pathway to citizenship is a non-starter?
00:41:04.000 It is a non-starter for me.
00:41:06.000 Pathway to legal status.
00:41:07.000 We can have that conversation after we secure the border.
00:41:10.000 We're not going to play that game anymore.
00:41:11.000 The American people are tired of that game.
00:41:12.000 But in the first vote that we take, you're not going to take a first vote that isn't a border security bill Full stop.
00:41:20.000 Correct.
00:41:21.000 I completely agree with that assessment.
00:41:23.000 It's one that I think most of our viewers and listeners will agree with.
00:41:25.000 Chip, thanks for joining me.
00:41:26.000 Thanks for being a warrior, not just on the border, but on our fiscal issues that we face.
00:41:32.000 And hope to have you on some time in the future to talk about war powers and how we put our country first.
00:41:37.000 Let's do it.
00:41:38.000 I think the AUMFO2 is moving right now in the Senate.
00:41:41.000 Let's go do it.
00:41:41.000 We've got a lot of work to do, but thank you for being a voice for freedom and for standing up for the American people.
00:41:45.000 Sounds great.
00:41:46.000 Be back soon.