Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - February 06, 2026


Another LITTLE BUMP ？？!


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Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni are fighting it out in court, and the media are treating my interview with her as the "smoking gun" in the case. Is it possible that the whole smear campaign is based on my interview?

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00:00:00.000 They're treating my interview like the smoking gun here.
00:00:03.220 So this guy talks a lot about how the word bully is so suspicious.
00:00:12.640 Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk.
00:00:14.420 I'm Kersti Floor, journalist, Hollywood truth teller and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.
00:00:20.940 So this morning I stumbled across another expert that Blake Lively is going to use at trial.
00:00:28.340 This expert wrote a long report about the smear campaign and guess what?
00:00:35.040 My little bump video is mentioned I don't know how many times but it seems like this entire report is built around my interview with Blake Lively that went viral just around the premiere of this movie.
00:00:50.460 So this guy talks a lot about how the word bully is so suspicious.
00:00:55.120 Let's also talk about how Justin Baldoni can use my interview to prove his point.
00:01:00.920 After reading that report it really opened my eyes on how my interview is probably going to play a big part in this trial.
00:01:08.720 I also got some inside info from a person that knows Justin Baldoni.
00:01:13.820 You got to hear this.
00:01:15.280 And let's look at it starts with us and why they were fighting over this sequel that people apparently hated.
00:01:21.820 Okay, so I did receive this from an insider that I've spoken to many times before and the person had watched my interview yesterday.
00:01:31.940 I talked about how Blake Lively pressured Sony into letting her also come up with an edit with her version of the movie.
00:01:39.760 They kept measuring her and Baldoni's cut and Sony agreed that even if Blake's cut scored lower than Justin's they would go for her version.
00:01:50.200 But she still needed to score more.
00:01:52.120 So what happened was that Blake reached out to more and more and more people to get more edits of the movie out there to try and beat Justin Baldoni's score.
00:02:01.580 Anyway, so this person said this to me, all films test better and better the more they get tested as they tighten up and audio gets cleaned up, etc.
00:02:12.880 That makes a lot of sense.
00:02:14.420 If you know exactly what people don't like, you try to fix that and then you try to edit it in a way that will make people like it more.
00:02:21.500 And then the person says, but Blake's cut only improved when week after week it reverted back more and more to Justin's version.
00:02:30.800 According to two editors who worked on it, by the time it was released, the only significant difference ended up being the addition of a final montage with a Taylor Swift song playing.
00:02:43.760 The rest of it is very nearly what Justin had originally done because it was so much better than her garbled version.
00:02:51.620 Isn't that interesting?
00:02:53.280 And maybe that's why we're never going to see Justin's cut because the one that we actually saw was basically Justin's cut.
00:03:00.220 We know that Blake made a lot of changes to the script and that frustrated everyone on the set because she delayed a lot of shoots because of that.
00:03:09.660 It's funny because the text messages I read yesterday said that Colin Hoover didn't like Justin's cut at all.
00:03:16.400 And even if Blake scored a lot lower, she would go with her cut anyways.
00:03:20.980 But now that we know that they finally ended up with basically Justin's cut, that makes it quite funny.
00:03:27.740 And also someone pointed out to me in a comment yesterday saying that it's interesting that Taylor said she hadn't seen the movie until weeks after it had come out.
00:03:38.100 Remember that statement from one of her close sources saying that Taylor had nothing to do with this and she hadn't even seen the movie until weeks after it came out.
00:03:48.360 And I didn't even think about this when I talked about it yesterday in that episode.
00:03:53.000 The text that Blake said to Sony, she said that Colleen really loves my version much better than Justin's and also Taylor.
00:04:02.780 So that means, I guess, that Taylor had seen the movie already long before it hit theaters.
00:04:09.120 So that means either Blake Lively lied to Sony to pressure them to say that, hey, Taylor Swift likes my version much better.
00:04:17.300 Or Taylor Swift lied in her statement to the press saying that she hadn't watched the movie until two weeks after it came out.
00:04:25.560 I don't know. Hopefully we'll find out.
00:04:28.260 Anyways, I got this email from Vesna who pointed out something very interesting to me.
00:04:32.420 Thank you for sending this.
00:04:33.300 So I hadn't even looked into this because I haven't really been interested or invested in any of Colleen Hoover's books.
00:04:42.020 But apparently this sequel that everyone keeps fighting about got terrible reviews and probably would have bombed at the box office.
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00:06:24.940 Okay, so let's look into the sequel here.
00:06:27.580 Because a lot of people speculated around this.
00:06:30.500 If Blake Lively wanted that sequel so badly and that's why she wanted to take Justin Baldoni down and that's why she wanted Colin Hoover on her side.
00:06:39.360 I mean, there's other reasons for that too, but that she was really eyeing the sequel and she thought, obviously, that was going to be a huge success.
00:06:47.220 But as this person told me, she's saying here, the book starts with us, doesn't have very good reviews.
00:06:53.780 People say that the sequel was unnecessary.
00:06:56.900 15% of the book is copy-paste from the first.
00:06:59.960 That the sequel didn't add anything new to the story.
00:07:02.940 Confusing time gems.
00:07:04.060 The romance between Lily and Atlas is boring and some say that it looks like a cash grab.
00:07:09.440 And that it was written in a hurry.
00:07:11.800 And she says, anyways, I keep seeing that this could turn into a successful franchise.
00:07:16.620 But I don't think Justin would even want to make the second movie because the sequel is too boring.
00:07:22.460 And the reviews say the first book had a purpose, a story to tell, but the second one didn't.
00:07:27.820 So I think it's very funny that Blake was fighting so hard for a sequel that probably would have flopped no matter who would direct it or star in it.
00:07:36.460 Maybe I'm wrong, but this is the feeling I got after reading a few reviews.
00:07:40.840 So I went in to look at some of the reviews myself.
00:07:44.140 Some of them love it.
00:07:45.580 And I think also one of the reasons why people love it, if it's that bad, is because they're fans of Colin Hoover.
00:07:51.160 So this person here is saying, well, this was useless, one star.
00:07:56.020 And keep in mind, this is before the drama with It Ends With Us.
00:07:59.340 So no one is giving it bad reviews because they don't like Colin Hoover anymore.
00:08:03.540 And the other one here says, did this book need to exist?
00:08:06.760 Nope.
00:08:07.100 The mention of TikTok and Gen Z felt like fan service, since the acknowledgement said this was written for BookTok.
00:08:14.380 Should have been a novella, if anything, especially for how rushed the ending was.
00:08:19.220 And also here it says, one star.
00:08:21.360 Welcome to, did this book really need to exist?
00:08:24.900 Alternatively titled, a bland man does the bare minimum and people eat it up like he's an Austin character.
00:08:32.240 And then we have this one star, maybe we got lost in translation, maybe I asked for too much.
00:08:38.280 Another one star, read this book out of curiosity, but I think I really should have just stayed curious.
00:08:46.580 But anyways, the point here is that a lot of this drama that we witnessed with It Ends With Us
00:08:52.900 comes down to the fight over the sequel, really, because Blake widely wanted it so badly.
00:08:58.780 And can you imagine after all of this and then they made the sequel and people hated it and it flopped at the box office?
00:09:06.500 What a waste.
00:09:08.740 Anyways, let's get into this expert because I was really fascinated by this whole report that I started reading this morning.
00:09:17.400 So this guy is called Aaron Carlotta and he is apparently an expert in smear campaigns.
00:09:23.940 And he wrote so many pages about this alleged smear campaign that he is so convinced to happen.
00:09:33.620 This is so funny about the experts because it feels like always they're asked, this is the result that we want.
00:09:38.540 How can you twist and turn the facts so that we get the result that we want?
00:09:42.620 To me, that doesn't sound like very reliable information.
00:09:46.300 But anyways, and the more I read this report, the more I realized that a lot of this report is basically focused on my interview with Blake Lively.
00:09:55.120 When you search for a little bump in the report, I don't know how many times it appears,
00:10:01.560 but he did so much research into trying to make my interview a part of this smear campaign.
00:10:09.660 It's so fascinating how he is trying to make this look unorganic.
00:10:14.300 So his conclusion here is that when I posted that interview, that's basically when the smear campaign took off.
00:10:23.360 And he's pointing out the fact that my interview didn't go viral until three or four days after I posted it.
00:10:31.640 So BuzzFeed picked it up.
00:10:33.500 And then he said that because I think it was Melissa Nathan sent a message to the group saying,
00:10:40.080 should we send this to Jed Wallace, that's the evidence that made the reactions to this interview unorganic.
00:10:49.180 So he's claiming that they pushed this interview and he's claiming that they used bots to comment on the interview.
00:10:56.600 He's pointing out the spikes in comments here.
00:10:58.640 And he's also pointing at the increased use of word bully after Melissa Nathan had sent that message.
00:11:05.960 But what he forgets to mention is who commented on the video and whether any of those commenters were connected in any way,
00:11:15.300 whether they were paid or whether they even knew about any PR discussion going on.
00:11:20.560 His conclusion is that people could not react naturally to what they saw in my interview.
00:11:28.400 He says that it's basically impossible that people watched that interview and made up their own opinion about it,
00:11:36.140 thinking that, wow, Blake Lively is a bully.
00:11:38.920 And then for them to write a comment that she is a bully, he says that's not normal behavior.
00:11:44.640 And the fact that he keeps mentioning the little bump interview throughout this entire report,
00:11:50.360 that again just proves that they have no hard evidence.
00:11:54.900 They are really relying on my interview to prove that there was a smear campaign.
00:12:00.420 And they're saying that the public's opinion about Blake Lively shifted just after I published my interview.
00:12:08.100 He's not mentioning that the reason for that is because they see how she acted in that interview,
00:12:13.320 that she was acting like a bully.
00:12:15.600 He is just saying that the reason for that is because a PR machinery behind the scenes
00:12:22.580 had bots who came on and commented on this interview.
00:12:27.000 And that's why the word bully kept being repeated in the comment section.
00:12:31.980 Another thing he forgets to mention here is that there is no connection between me and anyone from the Wayfair parties.
00:12:39.360 He forgets to say that, hey, there's no proof that there was ever any communication
00:12:43.320 with this reporter who acted independently.
00:12:47.160 He's just claiming that that interview was a part of a smear campaign.
00:12:50.280 Also, without being able to explain how my interview that none of these people knew existed before I published it.
00:12:59.460 How could that be a part of this organized retaliation campaign when they didn't even know that this video existed?
00:13:07.260 And here is a major thing that he is, of course, not mentioning in this report.
00:13:12.340 And of course, because he doesn't even know about this.
00:13:14.420 But after I posted that interview, I received hundreds of DMs every single day from a lot of women, 1.00
00:13:23.040 especially who sympathized with me and said that they were so happy that I showed this interview
00:13:28.540 and that I called out a bully.
00:13:31.320 And according to him, those people must also have been bots then.
00:13:36.180 Because when you take that into consideration, his theory here doesn't really work.
00:13:41.200 And another fact that makes his report completely collapse.
00:13:44.780 I think it was five or six days after I published my interview.
00:13:48.000 So I did a follow-up video where I explained to people why I decided to post the interview.
00:13:53.720 And that video also went viral.
00:13:56.860 That video got over 1 million views.
00:13:59.600 How is he going to explain that?
00:14:01.960 So that video was organic and then this wasn't?
00:14:06.360 Or did they have bots to comment on that too?
00:14:09.200 The same bots that sent me all those beautiful messages on Instagram and the same people who commented
00:14:16.440 and the same people who sent me long emails, DV victims who said,
00:14:20.720 I'm so happy that you showed the true colors of Blake Lively.
00:14:24.200 Are those bots too?
00:14:26.140 He doesn't really get into that in this report.
00:14:28.360 Let's put it that way.
00:14:29.420 I feel the more they emphasize on my interview, which is basically what this entire report is all about,
00:14:35.020 the more it backfires on them.
00:14:36.680 The worse it makes them look.
00:14:39.280 They're treating my interview like the smoking gun here.
00:14:42.380 And as I spoke about before, both Blake and Justin's team has both said in court papers
00:14:49.840 that it's undisputed that anyone had any contact with me.
00:14:55.140 And I've said this obviously all the time that I haven't been in touch with any of the parties here.
00:15:00.160 But still, he obviously forgets to mention that as well, that there is no connection between me and the wayfair parties.
00:15:08.360 So then how can this be evidence of any smear campaign?
00:15:11.480 I feel it's so incredible that this video of her showing people that she's a mean girl and that she's bullying someone,
00:15:19.160 that is evidence of her being a victim.
00:15:23.200 I mean, there is no logic here.
00:15:26.100 I just can't believe how backward it is to use this in her advantage. 1.00
00:15:31.640 It's so insane.
00:15:33.400 Did you guys love wearing those kind of clothes that you...
00:15:36.520 Yeah.
00:15:37.320 Yeah.
00:15:37.640 And, you know, working in digital...
00:15:38.760 Everyone wants to talk about the clothes, but I wonder if they would ask the men about the clothes.
00:15:42.760 I would.
00:15:43.580 I love Jesse's suits and how he...
00:15:46.280 He's basically saying that no one would call Blake a bully unless someone told them to do so.
00:15:57.320 People can't think, people can't judge, and people can't react honestly.
00:16:01.900 That means that he sees real people as bots.
00:16:06.180 I don't get it. 0.99
00:16:07.180 A lot of the times when a celebrity does something stupid or looks bad, 0.98
00:16:11.800 it goes viral because that person is a famous person. 0.99
00:16:15.940 It's a very natural circle.
00:16:18.020 And the only evidence they have here is that Melissa says, should we send this to Jed?
00:16:22.920 And I don't know, even if they did push this video or decide to push this video and give it an extra boost,
00:16:29.600 the views would go up, but they would still have to prove that the comments are fake
00:16:35.000 and the likes are fake or any pattern here that looks fake.
00:16:40.000 Yes, the bottom line is that this alleged, very coordinated smear campaign had to rely on my interview,
00:16:49.300 which they did not know even existed as a major part of this retaliation.
00:16:56.600 Try to make sense of this.
00:16:58.800 Someone pointed out this podcast for me yesterday.
00:17:01.560 We're not actually golden.
00:17:02.880 One of the lawyers that I also follow in this case, she's really good at what she does.
00:17:07.480 And she mentioned also my interview as being used as evidence from just the Baldoni's side.
00:17:15.740 She said in her podcast that my interview probably wouldn't be used to show the jury like,
00:17:20.420 hey, Blake Wively is a bad person here and she's a bully.
00:17:24.020 But showing the video to a jury to then be able to say people saw this and this is what harmed her reputation,
00:17:35.400 not Wayfarer and bots, is probably going to be allowed.
00:17:41.920 So, yeah, I find it interesting how my interview is now in the center of a lot of this.
00:17:46.580 And also, I found this Reddit post.
00:17:50.300 Here someone says that,
00:17:51.300 I was re-watching this interview in light of all the new evidence and I'm just fascinated to see in real time
00:17:57.240 how Blake influences the women around her to be mean girls
00:18:01.220 and how she takes offense to the littlest things when she perceives someone beneath her as like a power play
00:18:07.760 to make them grovel to her.
00:18:10.540 And then this person is pointing out the mean girl in my interview.
00:18:14.760 Blake repeatedly ignores me, physically turns away from her and speaks only to Parker Posey.
00:18:21.340 Posey joins in, responding to Blake instead of the interviewer, effectively freezing me out of her own interview.
00:18:30.020 I am very obviously, flaw, flaw me, very obviously looks uncomfortable and left out.
00:18:36.940 They don't care.
00:18:37.640 Posey doesn't act like this in other interviews without Blake.
00:18:41.980 Interesting observation.
00:18:43.680 And they say it's a deliberate social exclusion tactic, a textbook mean girl move. 0.90
00:18:49.860 When Flo asks about costumes, a standard non-sexist can press question,
00:18:54.980 especially for a period film like Cafe Society,
00:18:58.200 Blake frames it as an insulting sexist question.
00:19:02.140 Then the person points out how Blake Lively is easily offended,
00:19:07.000 something we've seen happen a lot in this case as well.
00:19:11.000 Blake takes offense to Flo's very normal, polite pregnancy.
00:19:15.020 Congrats.
00:19:15.600 Even though Blake herself had been public about her pregnancy,
00:19:18.780 makes no sense to be offended by this.
00:19:22.760 So true.
00:19:23.640 And then also, Blake also takes offense to the costume question,
00:19:26.740 implying it was sexist of Flo to ask about their period costumes in the movie.
00:19:32.720 And again, makes no sense.
00:19:34.820 And I think also when the jury is showed this interview,
00:19:38.480 if they are shown this interview,
00:19:40.520 they're going to see that side of her thinking,
00:19:42.720 OK, now makes sense how she got Jenny Slate on her side, 0.98
00:19:45.900 how she got Isabella Ferrer, Colin Hoover,
00:19:48.540 how she convinced all these girls to go against Justin,
00:19:51.560 just the way she convinced Parker Posey to go against me in that interview.
00:19:56.280 Anyways, that's it from you guys.
00:19:58.280 I have a cold coming.
00:20:00.300 I can feel it brewing in my body and I feel a little out of it.
00:20:04.320 So hopefully I'll be back on tomorrow.
00:20:07.840 Fingers crossed.
00:20:09.160 But anyways, thank you so much for watching.
00:20:11.340 I really appreciate all you guys so much.
00:20:13.360 You have no idea.
00:20:14.720 You're so wonderful.
00:20:16.240 And your comments are so considerate and respectful.
00:20:18.980 And I really, really appreciate that.
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