Ep 11： Ageism and Hypocrisy in Hollywood
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Summary
Mary Beth York has worked in Hollywood for many years as a makeup artist. She s met everyone in the industry and shared some of her most cringe-worthy experiences. In this episode, she talks about Hollywood beauty standards and why she thinks they re insane.
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I'll be doing someone's makeup and they'll start to look up at me and I'm like, oh no.
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And they'll say, wow, our eyes are really starting to go, aren't they?
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And I'm like, I literally, well, just dramatically.
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I'm Kjasti Floor, journalist, Hollywood troublemaker,
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and your favorite voice of reason in a town built on delusion.
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Each week, I unpack the madness, the hypocrisy,
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and other things that I find infuriating or fascinating about celebrity culture.
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Today's guest, I've had her on before and everyone loved her so much and we kept in touch.
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Her name is Mary Beth York and she's worked in Hollywood for many, many years as a makeup artist.
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She's met everyone, she's been doing every award show,
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and she shared already some of her celebrity stories with you guys.
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She shared a horrific experience she had with Sharon Stone.
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I will leave a link to that episode below if you missed that.
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But in this episode, we're going to talk more about Hollywood beauty standards
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Thank you so much for being on Flossom Talk for the second time.
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And as I was just saying, I am like your number one fan.
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You were talking about some of your like experiences working in Hollywood
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because you are a makeup artist and you worked in Hollywood for many years
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and have some interesting experiences with that.
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And lately I've been talking a lot on my channel about beauty standards
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and what frustrates me about it, especially because we are expected to look like we're 30 years old
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for the rest of our lives, probably, basically.
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And then pretend like we're not doing nothing to achieve that.
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And then, you know, people end up looking like aliens.
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Well, you know, it's really sad is what I think.
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I posted something on Instagram recently that was like, be an original in a world of,
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and it didn't say Kardashians, but there was like, you know, 25 women that all looked exactly the same.
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And it's like just individuality has been completely wiped out.
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And, you know, I think when you're younger and you see your whole peer group doing it,
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like we'll say like the Kylie's type of age range, like I can almost give them a pass.
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But, you know, when you get older, you, to me, I just see it as such a sign of desperation.
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And, you know, especially like here in Scottsdale, like the BLMs are a big deal.
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But anyways, I just think, what type of a man are you attracting?
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And, you know, that's the biggest thing is who is the audience for all of these, you know, these procedures.
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And for women that actually know who they are, that actually either have a man that already loves them
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or wants to attract a man that loves them for who they are.
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Personally, I would rather be single than, than ascribe to that.
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And it also makes you very disposable, you know, and replaceable because those attributes all can be bought.
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And I think also, especially when you're talking about young women, I feel like when they're doing all these procedures,
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when they're so young, some of them, they can't, you know, when you start putting things in your lips,
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when you're in your twenties and they just get bigger and bigger and you have to fill in more and more and more.
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And finally, you just have to like do surgery to kind of just like make everything, you know, not drop.
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Because I've seen those lips that just fall further and further down so that you can't see the teeth anymore.
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And then one day, you know, you don't want those lips anymore and then you can't remove it.
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So what is your experience working with these actresses?
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You know, do you ever, do they ever talk to you about these things or did they, you know?
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You know, the main thing that I found interesting because, you know, I told you I work there or I
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don't know if I told you, I had it on my podcast and I have a new book coming out and I tell my
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whole story, you know, how I did go over to LA.
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I work for Jose Ebert on Rodeo Drive and I was exposed to all of this, like in my, my, you
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know, early twenties and I just was blown away.
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And again, uh, then I came back, opened my spas, but I always went in and out and I did
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all this like MB York ambushes, Hollywood and all my advertising.
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So I was always doing Oscars, Emmys, Golden Globes, all of the things.
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But usually what would happen is I would go there and you're just, my jaw would be on
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the ground of the reality, you know, and then I still came back and like smiled, like it's
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As far as the women go, um, you know, there's a vast array, you know, like I think we talked
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about last time, like any type of people, but most of them I found were very clueless,
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Like, uh, they've always had it done for them, you know, and they're just completely clueless.
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And obviously their, uh, program is desperation because they, um, are so easily replaced and
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it's such high stakes, you know, to keep their jobs and always somebody younger coming up.
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And so I just think, you know, it hardens their exterior and when they're in that world,
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I was in like four movies and I did some of the modeling stuff and I just hated it.
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I was like, I want to be in control of my life.
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Like I can't sit here and line up behind a hundred other girls and hope, wish, want,
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and wonder, you know, I'm like, I'm going to create my life.
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And I just think, again, it's a, it's a city of like lost souls and it attracts wounded
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people a lot, you know, because they want that validation.
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There's even a book out there that, that talks about most of the women in Hollywood have like
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unresolved daddy issues and they just want all of this adoration, you know, to fill that,
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So I would think plastic surgery, plastic surgery would go really well, hand in hand.
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They're, you know, they don't have that sense of self that can say, no, I'm not doing that.
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And I, I'm not judging people that do minor things or something really bothers them.
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You know, I'm not like against it per se, but again, you're going under anesthesia.
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You know, if you have children or people that love you, you know, I would hope my husband
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would be like, you're not doing that, you know, instead of, oh, let's go, let's go get
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And you know, what upsets me about it all is that it's celebrated as beauty and like, look,
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And it's like, no, I mean that that's not attainable.
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They just look like they had a lot of work done.
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So you think, and we're being sold to this by design.
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And, you know, we talked last week about a lot of the stories circulating around, you
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know, about how, you know, in Hollywood, Jennifer Lawrence is playing a 39 year old when she's
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19 or 20, you know, and that they just erase women after the age of like 24.
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And like the 30 year olds are playing grandmothers and like, it's so skewed that if you're, if
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you're in that culture of watching these shows and movies, you know, and then really getting
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reeled into like the housewife shows and all of that, like I never have.
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Um, and I, I see the appeal, you know, it's mindless if you're going to listen to like the
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Kardashians or whoever, but when you see these people that have, you know, for the most part,
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very, um, selfish lives, you know, very superficial and are they doing anything that's
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Is there anything of value inside of them as a person, you know, and our whole society is
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just like clapping and throwing popcorn in the air, celebrating, you know, yay, more plastic
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And you've said it so many times, you know, this is about our free speech.
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You know, this is about a lot more things than all of the journalists that are being attacked
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And I feel like your divine mission is to do this and it's not easy.
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Someone that consistently speaks the truth, you know, you just call it all out and society
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So not everyone is on their mission, but you're like, you're fulfilled because even though it's
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Like, you know, you have a purpose and that's the difference between you and most of these
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I did have a podcast episode on Friday where I talked about women, you know, our age and
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older that are running around in their bikinis on Instagram looking for validation and calling
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I go one day and I'm like, oh my God, who is that person when I look myself in the mirror?
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And then I'm like, oh, maybe I should do something like that.
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I'm like, oh, if I do this, that's going to look nice, you know?
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So what do you, how do you deal with these voices in your hand?
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Well, I just want to start by saying that at the age of 19, I started doing makeup.
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And, you know, I was for many years doing 10, 15 women a day.
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And I would hear over and over and over and over and over, just you wait.
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Like every woman was so negative about just how stressed they were about aging.
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And one of the ways is I kind of like live in my Barbie bubble.
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Like I, and again, there's like right now I have zero Botox, zero fillers.
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You know, I, I, I think somebody maybe puts a friend of mine.
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I've done some micro needling recently, which that definitely works.
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But I personally like to start to feel convicted and I want to be, you know, I don't want to be a phony, you know, but I also think if you admit it, you know, it's a little bit better.
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Like we don't know what five, 10 years is going to bring.
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And I, I don't think it's fun for anyone to feel like you're decaying, you know, but so two other things.
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One is I don't accept other people's negative affirmations.
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And I've talked about this before too, where I'll be doing someone's makeup and they'll start to look up at me and I'm like, oh no, here it comes.
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Cause they're going to make some kind of comparison.
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And they'll say, wow, our eyes are really starting to go.
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And I'm like, I literally will just dramatically.
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Like they try to bring me into their club of decline.
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Aren't like, leave me out of your negative affirmations.
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And I make it a joke, but like, I'm serious too.
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So I have very strong beliefs in terms of like, if you expect something, it's going to happen.
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Certain, you know, elements are, uh, what's the word, you know, inevitable.
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But I feel like if you are healthy, you know, I was just listening to another podcast on this,
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Cause I've been sick and I missed a whole week of like my orange theory.
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But if you're working out and you're doing, I do the, the red light sauna, hot works workouts.
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Like if you, if you know your body and you eat healthy, like I'm vegetarian and I'm not perfect,
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And if I do something bad, you know, drink too much wine, which isn't often,
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I'll plow myself with green juices the next day to like undo it.
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And so I think the difference in aging for people in terms of people that are healthy
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and people that aren't, there's a big, huge range.
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And I just think the plastic surgery part, you know, again, I think if you're in your
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seventies, you're healthy, you know, and you have thick skin that you've maintained in a
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And you want to have something pulled back and it makes you feel better.
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Like do it, but this whole trend of like everyone trying to look like the same person
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and being told through society that this is what's beautiful.
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Men don't like it, you know, I mean, some do, I guess, but you know, whenever, when I
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wonder what it's like to kiss those lips, I'm going to show that the clip that I showed
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you before we started this, which is Jamie Lee Curtis in the Guardian actually pose.
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Well, I got called onto this set to do, and it was funny because it was just out of the
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I was in Malibu, like shopping with my daughter on vacation and this makeup artist called
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and was like, you need to come do your beauty ammo on all these celebrities.
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So I came and we didn't know who was going to be there.
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And it was Jamie Lee Curtis, Jane, Jane Lynch, the whole cast of Glee, Martin Sheen, Kevin
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But I had to do my beauty ammo on all of them before the makeup team did the makeup.
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And she just is, again, a nice person, like people that have confidence.
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It's a completely different vibe than insecure people that are built on a false persona, you
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She's been calling this out for years and years and years, body positivity and, you know,
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and same, like, I think Jane Lynch is the same too.
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She's very much about, you know, being, being natural, you know, again, there's a difference,
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And I think also something I spoke about on my channel as well is that when you see these
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people acting on screen, if they, they have all this stuff done, like Nicole Kidman, I
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can't focus on anything else, but just her face looking so fake.
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Yeah, you feel like you're being tricked or, you know, sold a false thing.
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And when, and I think when you see somebody that has like normal expression line, like you
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Like there's a correlation between women that aren't, you know, faking their age or their
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whatever, you know, by just showing up with what they look like.
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I think when you look fake, I don't believe the character basically, or she could, she
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could play someone like upper class, someone somewhere that looks like that, but she can't
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play someone like a working class woman anymore looking like that because no one looks like
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that when they're like a working class or like, you know, not super rich Hollywood star.
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Were you the one who sent me or did I send you the Ashley Judd thing?
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I think I sent it to you, which that was amazing.
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Hi, I'm Ashley and I am a member of the We Don't Care Club.
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And when I'm in my swimsuit, sometimes I get a little chaping, like right down there.
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And there are things to do to make you feel great about yourself without destroying your
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Because I've been, I've been watching some like Instagram videos about how, you know,
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you should put makeup on differently when you're, you know, your face is aging and you
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should think differently when you paint, when you put makeup on.
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Do you have like three go-to tricks that works?
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I will tell you, like, again, I told you, I started this when I was 19 and my clients were
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I was in an area with like a lot of country clubs and so my challenge always was getting
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their skin to look as good as you can because the problem is the makeup makes everything
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And like I always say, there's just way too many ways to get it wrong out there.
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If I randomly go and I did an infomercial once where I went to Target and just randomly
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bought like four concealers and you can't test them out first.
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And like, it was harrowing how bad it made you look because, you know, if it's too light,
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if it's too chalky, like it can age you by 10 years.
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And so when I do my little five minute makeup touch up, and I mean, it is five minutes.
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Every woman freaks out because I make them look younger.
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And it's, you know, with a couple things, I'll tell you super quickly, my lift and snap
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serum, this just photoshops all the lines and it's all natural, totally hypoallergenic and
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But it has an ingredient, argilline, that instantly firms and tightens.
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And then over the years, it does, over the years, over the months, it does a lot of other
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It's just having the right stuff underneath, you know, the right moisturizer.
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Like I have a little trio that comes with this in my Unpack Your Bags eye gel.
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My moisturizer is the same ingredient deck as $385 department store brand.
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I won't say which, but mine is $48, you know, where I do the whole, I'm going to do specials
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But again, you put it on and every woman buys it.
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I always put it aside before I even do their makeup because I know they're going to want
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People don't want a lot of foundation and stuff.
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A couple shimmer sticks, you know, and I've talked before about my beauty ammo kit when
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That's what I got called to go on for Brad Pitt and all those people.
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But it's just a little plumping priming for under the eyes or above the lip.
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It's a leave-on collagen mask, a line putty, which is like a spackle.
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And then my concealer, which is color adjusting.
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And even if you just did my concealer alone, I have a special that I just did for my news
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This is like the Get Camera Ready special, which is the Lift and Snap Serum with the concealer
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And I know it sounds like a commercial, you know, but it's just so important because, again,
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try going into Sephora or wherever and starting to put stuff on.
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And I'll say the littlest variation in a color can be the difference between amazing and disaster.
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So it's really getting into that, you know, great zone of what you need.
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And I just know that because I've worked on so many people.
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Like I did an event once at Henry Vendel in New York and the New York women, they all wear
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this dark brown lipstick and they have all these lip lines and they're angry.
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And it's just like, I'm just like, oh, soften it up.
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I think that's definitely one thing that I feel as well.
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When you're the older we get, the less, you know, the less makeup I want to put on.
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So it feels like, especially in the eyes and the lips, it just feels like so heavy and it
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Well, there's so many formulas out there too, that, you know, there, there's a lot of room.
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If you've had two or three bad experiences, you're going to be like, I just hate foundation,
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but there may be one that you would really like.
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So again, it's just, but it's, it's trial and error, you know?
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And I've just found most women that I work on, they either have one thing that they've
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done for 30 years, you know, where it's the same or they don't do anything.
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They do very little because they're like, they, they don't know how they do feel like
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it makes it look worse because they haven't found that little formula that tweaks everything
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So, and I think the way this, you know, the skin, uh, the skin looks, uh, even, you know,
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having little lines, I don't think that ages people, but when the skin gets saggy, of course
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that doesn't feel great, but if your skin, if your skin is even and nice, you know, that
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I usually did it between my eyebrows before a lot.
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And now I realized I like it so much more when my eyebrows can do like all these weird
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This happened in my teenage years because me and my girlfriends, we were talking about
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how this was like, so like charming to be able to do that with one eyebrow.
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I was like, I want to do that with one eyebrow and then it just stuck.
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And then now I do it without even thinking about it.
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I actually, I remember when I did, I did Botox in my forehead and it kind of pushed my eyebrows
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If I do it, I might stay way up high and then people get that Spock eye.
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And to be honest, like I did use it last night, I think when I know I'm going to do
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something on camera and it does like my brows are lifted.
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I'm trying to find my own source for it so I can sell them.
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It's just a little handheld device and it uses galvanic current.
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And I found out about it on the set of Dancing with the Stars.
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We used to have TV segments where they would call in live from the set.
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But then on top of it, they'd since discontinued it.
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But it's one of my beauty secrets that I use religiously twice a week.
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So I need to find one so everyone can have access.
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So do you think, because I was thinking when you sent me that email with how actresses are,
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it's going to, like younger actresses having to play older characters.
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And I remember a few years ago, there was so much talk about older women or older women,
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like women, middle-aged women, not being able to get parts in Hollywood.
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But I do think that it has changed a little bit, because especially for TV, maybe.
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In movies, it usually just goes to Nicole Kidman.
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But on TV, I feel like there's more diversity amongst age.
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Do you feel that it has changed a little bit from, you know, from you?
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But I just think that there's probably, it's true.
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And like when I start seeing violence, I can't even watch it.
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And I feel like most movies, even if there is a good plot or whatever, like the last 15 minutes,
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everything has to get so next level, ridiculous.
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I was like, could you not have tied this up a little bit easier than, you know,
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let's kill seven more people and blow up 10 more cars.
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But I feel like too, maybe with Netflix and all the other, you know, there's so much content now,
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you know, ways to bring your content to the screen and that there are more opportunities,
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you know, for people that we're not the only ones, obviously, that feel this way.
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And so, yeah, I feel like maybe there is more diversity, but it's just, oh,
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Did you see the article on how Vogue is using the AI models?
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Like, where did this, is this like from an airplane in Japan?
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And I was pretty shocked when I saw the interview with the two women who actually created the campaign.
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And even though it costs like six figures, it saved them money to do it.
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They said, if you have any idea how hard it was to create this girl and blah, blah, blah.
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And then they said, because some other models were interviewed and one of them was a plus size.
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And they were like, AI isn't that advanced yet.
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So they wouldn't like make any black models or anything like that either.
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Because, you know, I was like, wow, this is terrible.
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And the thing is, as soon as you know it's AI, you're just going to look at it like worthless.
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And another episode, we should talk about my daughter being a model.
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Like the experiences I watched her go through as a teenager, you know, all over Europe.
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They literally would have had to like surgically cut off her rear end to take off another inch in the hips.
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And it's like when you really see the inner workings of that.
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You know, you start to fill out where you're not pre-pubescent.
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And I'm proud of my daughter because she refused to do it.
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But, oh my, if you would have seen how thin she was.
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And then when you do go to some of the castings and you see these girls come in.
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When you see a cattle call, like they are giraffes.
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They are 6'1", they're 14, and they are 98 pounds.
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And like this is like the standard of what they're using.
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Then they kind of like change so much that like if you're blonde and blue-eyed, like they don't want you.
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She like dyed her hair blue or did some crazy, you know, she would be like the token, you know, crazy looking.
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I think you need like, yeah, going through that or just like working as a model, especially in that world when it's like high fashion.
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Yeah, I hope when you're still doing it or is she?
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And I mean, I'm sure she's not done forever, but she's always hated it.
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And I'm like, suck it up for the money, you know, during certain jobs.
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But yeah, she, what last story I'll tell, she once said to me, oh, I have, I booked this job in Texas and it's for some makeup brand, Mary Kay.
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But I flew with her because it was like during COVID and she was so afraid and it was just, yeah, it was weird times, you know, her last kind of four years in the industry, it was a lot of COVID stuff.
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And they put her in dangerous situations, you know, go to this apartment, downtown LA, you know, like work through all the scary people on the streets and go into like a photographer man's apartment and change your clothes in his bathroom.
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And she would just be panicking, you know, texting me, I feel, I don't feel safe.
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And I'm like, you don't ever have to do anything, you know, that you don't feel safe, but the agencies should be more protective.
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And not that they all are like that, but they certainly weren't doing as much as I thought they should do to make sure she's safe.
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But I think now with this AI back to the AI models, first of all, I mean, the big threat also is that other people are going to be out of work, of course.
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And I think for you also as a makeup artist, you know, when you can just put makeup on afterwards, no one needs to have makeup on in real time.
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Like you just do a photo shoot if you even do that, and then you just add the makeup.
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Well, and that hasn't been my thing in a long, long time.
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You know, I'm more about my product line and I do still work on women.
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I do a lot of events and now it's really shifting into my podcasts and my book and all of my other stuff.
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I'm even doing like coaching for women to connect with what their real mission is.
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I have like a total gift for discernment so I can pick it up and I like to help women just get aligned with the thing that God's put inside of them to do.
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Everyone is like programmed to have something and people are just lost and they need guidance.
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So tell everyone where they can find your podcast.
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And I am going to be on your podcast because we are shooting the second part after this.
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You know, Spotify, Apple, all of the platforms.
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My website is mbyork.com and my podcast is right at the top of my website too, as well as my coaching stuff that I do and the products that we talked about today, which we are giving money to you of anything that's sold for all of your legal stuff.
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Like, I can't even imagine what you've had to spend.
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So if anyone does buy any of my products, we are supporting Shasti with what she's been through.
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We're blessing her with just money to go get a spa day.
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I have to say that too, because, you know, we've been like, when did we speak last time?
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I mean, we email each other and you pop up in my comment section sometimes on YouTube as well.
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But you always have such interesting perspectives and you always, yeah, you see, you tie it together so well.
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I was like, you could have been like a doctor, whatever.
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And all the ones that I met through you, they're amazing people.
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Whenever I get on the phone with one about an order or something, we're always like, isn't Chasti amazing?
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I do feel like this community is just so uplifting and so amazing.
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And, you know, there's so much support from other women.
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It really gives me so much, you know, strength and, you know, drive.
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Like, people are really starving for that in society.
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And I will leave a link to your website, to your product.
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So everyone that's interested in that can find out everything there.
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Thank you so much to Marybeth for doing this again.
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I hope you learned something and got inspired by her.
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