Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - Ep 13 Hollywood actress Kari Wuhrer tell ALL !!

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00:00:15.120 George Clooney. What happened, Kari, with George Clooney?

00:00:19.400 We want all the juicy details here.

00:00:22.440 I watched it with Scarlett Johansson. We both saw it.

00:00:26.320 Scarlett was 16. I played her mother.

00:00:27.860 I'm semi-retired, but my friend...

00:00:31.340 Oh my God, I shouldn't do this. You can edit it if you feel it's too much.

00:00:40.720 Hi and welcome to Flossom Talk, the podcast.

00:00:43.900 I'm Kersti Floor, journalist, Hollywood truth teller, and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.

00:00:50.600 So, on Fridays, it's my podcast day, and I talk about other things than Blake Flively and Justin Baldoni's legal drama.

00:00:59.320 And sometimes I have a guest, and I do have a guest today, and she is pretty amazing.

00:01:04.700 Her name is Kari Wurr, and she's worked in Hollywood for over 40 years.

00:01:09.080 She has been in, like, 70 movies, and here on my podcast today, she's going to share a lot of her experiences.

00:01:16.720 Some are good, some are bad, some are hilarious, some are R-rated, some are really awful,

00:01:25.220 and some of them are quite inspiring.

00:01:27.880 She's worked with everyone from Jack Nicholson to Sean Penn.

00:01:31.800 She's also opening up about her love affairs, her missteps, and some of the things that she really regrets to this day.

00:01:42.300 Anyways, here is the amazing Kari.

00:01:45.820 Kari, I'm going to say your name in Norwegian because it is a Norwegian name.

00:01:52.780 Because when I saw your name, I was like, is she Norwegian?

00:01:55.620 But you have Norwegian, like, ancestors.

00:01:59.280 I do. My grandmother, Bunny Olsen, was a jazz singer, and she looked a lot like Judy Garland.

00:02:06.240 She had big brown eyes and brown hair and very short. 0.93

00:02:09.780 So nobody believed her as being Norwegian.

00:02:12.220 Kari, can we say that you are a veteran in Hollywood?

00:02:15.120 Because I was looking at your IMDb, and I was like, you have, like, 72 credits to your name.

00:02:21.160 Is that right? I mean, you've done so much, and you started out many years ago.

00:02:26.100 What year did you start out? What year did you get your first role?

00:02:30.060 I got my SAG card in 1982. I think I was 16.

00:02:34.880 I lived in a small town in Connecticut, so I was, like, kind of an hour and a half outside of New York City

00:02:39.800 and just insisted on becoming an actor.

00:02:43.420 And I kind of hopped on trains and went into New York.

00:02:46.660 And it's really funny because I think I was 15 years old.

00:02:50.640 I was on a train from Brewster, New York to New York City, and a man approached me, and he was like,

00:02:56.580 you're beautiful. I'm a photographer. Here's my card. I want to take your picture.

00:03:01.500 I was like, okay, I wanted to be a model or an actress, you know.

00:03:04.620 I wasn't, like, your typical traditional pretty girl in school, but I was feisty, and I wanted to be weird,

00:03:12.880 and I wanted to stand out, and this guy approached me.

00:03:16.180 So I went back to my parents, and I gave them this guy's card, and they, like, in the old days,

00:03:22.240 you would call the Better Business Bureau.

00:03:24.680 And so they checked this guy out, and he was great, and he was in Mount Kisco, New York.

00:03:28.600 So I was like, okay, I'll go get some headshots.

00:03:30.900 This guy has contacts to the modeling world or whatever.

00:03:34.520 And I would go there to Mount Kisco, and my parents would drop me off, and I'd do these

00:03:40.020 innocent sessions and get these great pictures of what I thought, and then the sessions got

00:03:45.120 a little more intimate, and he was a big, fat guy, okay?

00:03:49.460 As it turns out, and I was a kid, the guy's name was Tom Chappelle, and he was the photographer

00:03:54.600 that took those pictures of Vanessa Williams when she was Miss America exposed them and got

00:04:01.600 her decrowned.

00:04:02.320 So this was the same guy, and now he was constantly talking to me about, he took these pictures

00:04:08.560 of her at 18.

00:04:09.240 I totally get it now.

00:04:10.740 There was no, there was nothing but mental coercion, and I couldn't walk out of there.

00:04:15.140 I was waiting for my mommy to pick me up.

00:04:16.960 But years later, that guy would stalk me and move from Mount Kisco to New York to my hometown.

00:04:22.160 It was crazy, but I never saw it as a crime.

00:04:26.380 I saw it more as how I did something wrong because I let him take those pictures of me.

00:04:32.320 And you were so young at that point.

00:04:35.000 I mean, so you kind of got thrown into things very, very quickly.

00:04:39.320 Yeah, but listen, I was always the master of the game in my head.

00:04:44.780 Now, I felt guilty about that.

00:04:46.500 Like, I did something wrong.

00:04:47.820 I remember him coming to my house and me hiding in my mom's closet because I didn't want anybody

00:04:52.600 to know I was home.

00:04:53.500 And to this day, I still do that.

00:04:55.200 But it's crazy what the trauma does.

00:04:58.100 And I didn't realize it was trauma.

00:04:59.440 And then I just kept working.

00:05:00.560 I used those headshots.

00:05:01.400 I got an agent.

00:05:02.160 My first agent was Ford.

00:05:04.300 They did like a commercial division.

00:05:06.520 And I started working in commercials and stuff, got my SAG cart early.

00:05:11.300 But my first movie I got in 1985.

00:05:15.520 It was my last day of high school, which was called Fire with Fire.

00:05:18.580 In 1985, it was Virginia Madsen, Craig Sheffer, D.B. Sweeney.

00:05:23.220 And I got this, like, featured role through all this auditioning process in Columbus Circle

00:05:28.240 in New York.

00:05:29.380 It was incredible.

00:05:30.640 And I went and I shot my first movie in Vancouver.

00:05:33.220 Had my first on-set affair with the A.D. lying about my age, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:05:37.380 I was free.

00:05:38.300 Went down to L.A. right after that movie was done with my friend, who was also in the movie,

00:05:43.480 an actress named Penelope Sudro, and experienced L.A. for the first time.

00:05:47.320 I was 18.

00:05:48.420 I never had an avocado.

00:05:50.100 I never had Indian food.

00:05:52.060 And I had this torrid affair with this British A.D., and I was in Canada, and it was all so 1.00

00:05:56.980 great.

00:05:57.480 And I'm going to tell you a story I've never told anybody, and I'm probably, I shouldn't

00:06:03.020 do this, but I'm semi-retired.

00:06:06.280 But my friend, oh, my God, Flossum, because we're calling you Flossum now.

00:06:12.660 Yes.

00:06:13.100 Makes it easier for everybody.

00:06:14.460 I feel this is going to be a Flossum moment to remember.

00:06:17.160 Oh, my God.

00:06:17.840 So check this out.

00:06:18.680 I shouldn't do this.

00:06:20.100 You can edit it if you feel it's too much.

00:06:21.760 So I'm in the Hard Rock Cafe in West Hollywood.

00:06:28.280 It just opened at the base of the Beverly Center.

00:06:30.820 And I was in there with my friend Penelope, who's in the movie, Fire with Fire.

00:06:35.140 Oh, my God.

00:06:35.700 I can't believe I'm going to sit.

00:06:37.100 And I walk, and we're sitting in there, and there's a big, huge round table in the

00:06:40.360 middle.

00:06:40.540 And I swear on my little feet, if this isn't true, but I thought after doing Fire with Fire,

00:06:46.860 I'm going to be in the Brat Pack.

00:06:48.160 Who is at the Hard Rock Cafe?

00:06:50.660 Judd Nelson, Rob Lowe, Emilio Estevez, a couple of the peripheral players, like sitting around

00:06:57.060 this table.

00:06:57.380 You couldn't write this for a reality show any better.

00:07:03.300 And I'm sitting with Penelope, and I'm like, oh, my God, you guys, we just did this movie.

00:07:06.960 I'm like, oh.

00:07:07.880 Next thing you know, we're sitting at this round table, and the next thing you know, I'm

00:07:10.640 in the bathroom with Rob Lowe.

00:07:11.780 That's all I'm going to say about it.

00:07:13.240 That's all I'm going to say about Rob Lowe.

00:07:15.000 Rob Lowe.

00:07:15.260 He was my biggest crush in my, oh, my God.

00:07:19.080 Dude, you have no idea.

00:07:20.440 And it was some sort of game they were playing.

00:07:22.660 I don't know.

00:07:23.340 I don't know.

00:07:24.300 I felt no shame.

00:07:25.280 I felt like I was part of the Brat Pack now.

00:07:27.440 Woo! 0.99

00:07:27.880 Like, I'm an 18-year-old actress.

00:07:29.260 Like, I watch these people in movies, and all of a sudden, I'm sitting here, right?

00:07:33.240 Of course.

00:07:33.780 I mean, who wouldn't?

00:07:34.700 You were 18 at the time.

00:07:36.220 How old was Rob Lowe then?

00:07:37.780 I was 18, I don't know, a couple, a few years older, right?

00:07:39.620 Yeah.

00:07:40.000 Yeah, he was young.

00:07:40.860 Was that after St. Elmo's Fire?

00:07:42.740 It was during this whole St. Elmo's Fire.

00:07:45.380 So, I had to go back to New York.

00:07:47.740 So, I started school at NYU, and I got a job because I had no money.

00:07:51.500 You know, my parents had no money.

00:07:52.760 My dad, we lived in suburban Connecticut.

00:07:55.020 My dad was a cop.

00:07:55.960 He was fired.

00:07:56.840 He scrambled for jobs.

00:07:58.280 My mom worked payroll to support the family at a publishing book company.

00:08:02.360 So, anyway, so I get a job at the Palladium in New York City, and I'm a cocktail waitress

00:08:06.960 in the VIP room, the Michael Todd room, at the Palladium in New York City in 1985.

00:08:11.500 Andy Warhol, Keith Haring, Bianca Jagger, Prince.

00:08:16.860 Like, I'm waiting on these people.

00:08:19.040 Wow.

00:08:19.940 And Judd Nelson, and all these, and Judd Nelson was like, oh my God, what are you doing here? 0.98

00:08:24.900 And I'm like, you know, putting grams of crap under tiny napkins for big real estate 0.97

00:08:30.200 people with a gin and tonic. 0.99

00:08:33.040 Of course.

00:08:34.860 I made tons of money.

00:08:36.680 How could I have paid for NYU or anything?

00:08:39.760 So, Judd Nelson, so Lori Rodkin was his manager at the time, and she was there.

00:08:44.200 And I remember trying to smooch.

00:08:45.620 I just wanted to be a Brat Packer. 1.00

00:08:47.020 But lo and behold, after the experience, boom, I'm in college.

00:08:50.300 So, next thing you know, I get a job at MTV, and I become the hostess of Remote Control,

00:08:55.800 which is the game show that had one season that started to become a hit.

00:09:00.240 Ken Ober, Colin Quinn, and me.

00:09:02.800 And it became this huge thing.

00:09:05.120 And we were, like, super famous for a minute.

00:09:08.680 But they paid us nothing.

00:09:09.660 I remember I lived in New York City.

00:09:11.600 I had to roller skate to the studio in order to get there because there was no subway.

00:09:16.380 I couldn't afford a cab, right?

00:09:17.640 And I remember roller skating out of the studio to go back home with, like, kids chasing me.

00:09:22.600 But it was a crazy time.

00:09:23.520 And so, I had an in with MTV, and then I just, I was an actor.

00:09:27.400 So, I went out to L.A. to do a movie.

00:09:29.720 I worked.

00:09:30.760 I didn't let anybody touch me unless I touched them.

00:09:33.720 I did two movies that Harvey Weinstein produced.

00:09:36.480 Yes.

00:09:37.040 Let's talk about that.

00:09:38.280 What was that like?

00:09:39.440 He was awesome.

00:09:40.680 I mean, I had no problems.

00:09:41.740 I did The Crossing Guard that Sean Penn directed.

00:09:45.160 How was he?

00:09:45.920 I want to know about him, too.

00:09:47.380 Amazing.

00:09:48.120 This is my theory about Hollywood and about actors.

00:09:51.280 Just so, like, to get the theory out there.

00:09:54.000 I've worked with a lot of amazing actors, from Jack Nicholson to Jon Voight.

00:09:59.240 Like, big guys, right?

00:10:00.840 People that have been established as having not fame or box office, but as having, like, mastered their craft.

00:10:08.960 All of these guys were kind of the A-list mafia.

00:10:13.040 And I worked with them during The Crossing Guard.

00:10:15.180 And you can't touch them.

00:10:16.500 And they're not criminals, and they're not predators.

00:10:19.300 They have peripheral people around them that are, for sure.

00:10:23.300 But they are the kindest, most giving teachers.

00:10:26.920 They love—they're known for mastering their craft.

00:10:30.460 The other stuff is peripheral.

00:10:32.520 Peripheral.

00:10:33.440 And then you have actors in the middle that I've worked with, are struggling, that aren't kind, that want to step on you, that have women issues. 1.00

00:10:42.240 I'll give you a couple names. 0.99

00:10:43.580 I can give you the name of Eric Roberts, who was the biggest asshole and the most— 1.00

00:10:49.300 We worked so intimately on a movie together. 1.00

00:10:51.920 And he tore me down, even in his compliments.

00:10:55.740 And it was very, very difficult.

00:10:57.380 And his wife, Eliza, was amazing.

00:10:59.740 All I got to say about that is I felt really proud of the movie we did.

00:11:03.680 It was called Sensation.

00:11:05.000 I worked really hard through the struggles he threw at me.

00:11:07.960 And then years later, he slid into my DMs with an apology.

00:11:13.800 Wow.

00:11:14.240 And I will watch—

00:11:15.740 Was that during Me Too or something, that he felt like it was time to do that?

00:11:19.860 Do you think it was sincere?

00:11:21.680 I would say it was probably a ninth step during his recovery, because he's sober.

00:11:26.180 Well, at least he did it.

00:11:29.320 Dude, it was—I understand his struggle with addiction and alcohol.

00:11:34.860 And the fact that he did—and I don't want to say it as it's not an AA thing.

00:11:39.140 It was a—I don't know, because, you know, it's anonymous.

00:11:42.140 But he did it, and he didn't have to.

00:11:44.620 And it made me realize a lot of things.

00:11:47.200 Like, everybody, every actor out there is just like you and me.

00:11:52.140 They're just people that are insecure enough with their—I'm not going to say just like you and me.

00:12:00.700 I'm going to say maybe just like me.

00:12:02.320 Because there are people that have done the work and dedicated their lives to the discipline of their craft.

00:12:07.480 And then all they have to do is show up, because the work is done.

00:12:11.320 And those are people like Jack Nicholson and Steven Spielberg as a director.

00:12:15.660 I mean, people I could name that I've met that are there.

00:12:20.160 And it's not about the amount of money they have or about the amount of success they have.

00:12:23.840 I mean, even though that's great validation, it's about how hard they worked and mastered their craft.

00:12:29.620 And now—then you have a lot of people coming in that are like, I'm handsome.

00:12:33.000 I can do that.

00:12:34.000 I'm pretty.

00:12:35.120 I can do that.

00:12:36.100 That haven't done the work to master the craft.

00:12:38.760 All the other stuff is gravy.

00:12:40.460 I mean, you can look at an actor who's—actress, actor, whatever.

00:12:44.500 So compelling.

00:12:46.560 And so beautiful to watch.

00:12:48.760 But they're only beautiful to watch, compelling, if you're believing them and are in the moment.

00:12:55.560 There's so many actors out there that are cute that are like—an area that just don't pull you in the moment.

00:13:00.640 That don't get you into that suspension of disbelief.

00:13:03.740 And that's the magic that actors have to have that makes a difference between them being a star and then being a utilitarian actor and then not working at all, right?

00:13:12.940 So I worked with those mid-guys, Eric Roberts, who clearly had talent, other people.

00:13:17.960 And they were so insecure or had substance abuse problems where they couldn't connect with their higher self to understand that, you know?

00:13:26.740 And I think that those people were the biggest problem for me.

00:13:29.580 Those are the ones that tried to cut me down, that wanted to step on me, to hurt me, to look big.

00:13:34.400 I—it's a syndrome.

00:13:36.740 And we as women, we can inflate our powers in order to win and to get into the circle, but it doesn't combat it. 1.00

00:13:45.080 It just—they just win.

00:13:46.400 Or we dedicate ourselves to a craft and work hard and find that path.

00:13:51.400 I did not do that.

00:13:53.060 Even though I went to—I did it all through high school.

00:13:56.020 I had private coaches.

00:13:57.100 I went into the city every day after school to study at HB Studio with private—you know, I was really into it.

00:14:05.960 But the second—and I wasn't pretty.

00:14:08.060 I was the weird kid.

00:14:09.720 The second I got whiff of my sex being a power or being a way in, I used it in a way.

00:14:18.620 Now, I wasn't the white pumps, fan-blowing girl.

00:14:23.060 I was the girl in the bra with the combat booze.

00:14:27.100 It was a little different.

00:14:28.440 I didn't have the confidence of the L.A., you know, video vixen, which is the days that I was coming up in, right?

00:14:36.580 When I did The Crossing Guard, okay, there was no script.

00:14:41.000 I hung out with Sean Penn for a month beforehand.

00:14:44.520 We went to strip clubs together because I was going to play a stripper.

00:14:47.040 I had to get into the world, the mind of him, right?

00:14:50.640 David Morse was in it.

00:14:52.720 People I had to, like—I had to write scenes, basically.

00:14:56.140 I had to take dance classes.

00:14:57.660 I told Sean Penn outright, I said, I can't dance at all, but I can tap.

00:15:02.240 So we put this little Shirley Temple thing in there.

00:15:04.560 But the point was is that my first day on the set was in a downtown apartment in the Diamond District.

00:15:10.980 It was horrible.

00:15:11.940 Gray carpeting.

00:15:12.640 There was a bed.

00:15:13.820 And I had to do a scene with Jack Nicholson.

00:15:15.460 And in that scene, the beginning, I was completely naked.

00:15:20.160 And I was playing the piano and singing to him.

00:15:23.240 Naked?

00:15:23.780 Completely naked on the set.

00:15:25.300 Vilmo Sigmund was the DP.

00:15:27.480 He's passed.

00:15:28.660 Amazing cinematographer.

00:15:30.280 I mean, I'm filled with legends.

00:15:32.380 Sean Penn.

00:15:33.560 There's Jack Nicholson in character with the bottle of Jack Daniels.

00:15:36.560 And I had to—the power I had or I felt in that moment blurred the fear I had of actually connecting and doing the work of the scene.

00:15:49.300 Do you understand?

00:15:50.180 I was so over—subconsciously, I was in the room with the Hollywood greats, all right?

00:15:57.480 Everywhere I wanted to be my whole life, doing a scene with Jack Nicholson.

00:16:03.320 And I—blow it because I put on my cloak of—to protect them from seeing the real me, I guess.

00:16:11.560 And that—was my power in that room that first day.

00:16:15.680 Oh, my God.

00:16:16.600 Years later, was I wrong.

00:16:17.740 I should have relied on my craft, my training, my connection with him to make that scene happen.

00:16:23.900 And he coached me.

00:16:25.260 Why didn't you feel you were wrong?

00:16:26.840 I didn't then.

00:16:27.880 I mean, I was—I came out of there feeling like, this is the most amazing experience.

00:16:32.480 You know what I mean?

00:16:33.520 But what did you feel later, years later that made you think like that?

00:16:36.400 I mean, I didn't feel violated in any way at the time.

00:16:39.100 I was taken care of.

00:16:40.020 Nobody violated me.

00:16:41.120 But I felt that my power was in my nudity and the way I looked and could project myself.

00:16:48.540 Over these strong men, rather than meeting them as an equal in the craft that I—right?

00:16:54.560 You see what I'm saying?

00:16:55.460 Yeah.

00:16:55.920 And you didn't realize that until many, many years later.

00:16:59.560 Of course not.

00:17:01.020 And now, like, then I look back and I go, my God, like, what an unbelievable and incredible opportunity.

00:17:07.940 And I'm not saying that opportunity was wasted with Jack Nicholson to be in a scene is what I'm talking about.

00:17:14.180 I'm not saying that opportunity was wasted.

00:17:16.020 He coached me.

00:17:16.920 We worked together.

00:17:18.100 We did it.

00:17:19.020 But I approached it from a very insecure place because there I was.

00:17:23.800 And I used my nudity as my shield of armor, in a way.

00:17:28.080 That's so interesting.

00:17:29.160 I would never like—yeah, no, that's very interesting.

00:17:31.620 And of course, there weren't any intimacy coordinator at that point.

00:17:34.920 At the end of the day, it was my demise.

00:17:38.020 Because when all that goes away, as it obviously has, I'm 58 years old, the craft is what you're left with.

00:17:44.680 It's like a melting icicle.

00:17:46.260 That popsicle stick is still going to stand, right? 1.00

00:17:48.980 Unless you're an idiot and trade the popsicle stick for the popsicle. 1.00

00:17:52.300 Which is kind of what I did. 1.00

00:17:53.840 And I know a lot of people that have done that.

00:17:56.900 And that's when SH was a form of—not that it isn't now.

00:18:04.080 But it didn't even have to be physical to be a form of manipulation.

00:18:07.480 And I'm not saying these men knew it. 0.98

00:18:10.020 They were just as ignorant as I was in the situation. 0.96

00:18:12.900 But that's what the power dynamic was going by. 0.99

00:18:16.500 They were like, look at this chick we have on set naked. 1.00

00:18:18.720 And look at me naked on the set with all you. 0.50

00:18:20.900 You know what I mean?

00:18:22.020 There was such a split in perception.

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00:21:53.720 You know, I met Harvey once a couple of times at the Crossing Guard.

00:21:57.460 I worked with Dimension in Romania doing the Hellraiser series.

00:22:01.560 I did a sixth one and then a couple prophecies.

00:22:03.980 And, you know, that was like, I get to work in Romania for however many months and do the movies.

00:22:09.400 Like, who wouldn't do that?

00:22:11.380 But do you never had anything, did you ever feel like he was inappropriate in any way?

00:22:15.220 Did you ever see anything with him, with Harvey?

00:22:17.520 Okay, so at the wrap party for the Crossing Guard.

00:22:21.800 So after that, I was talking to Harvey and he's like, you know what?

00:22:24.540 We got to do the Janis Joplin story.

00:22:26.600 You should play it, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:22:27.880 But if I had the inclination to chase that, right, with Harvey Weinstein, sure, I could have done it.

00:22:34.740 But he wasn't, you know, he wasn't after me.

00:22:37.520 I didn't feel cornered ever.

00:22:39.400 But I could have done, I could have been that business.

00:22:42.040 So I think a lot of people that are in the, a lot of women that are in the positions of power in Hollywood, 1.00

00:22:48.660 they all have their craft.

00:22:50.520 The big ones do.

00:22:51.720 Because if you don't have that stem, you know, you can't carry film. 0.98

00:22:55.680 You can't make shit happen.

00:22:57.220 But you don't think that they've compromised themselves in ways? 0.98

00:23:00.940 Do you think that the generation now of those bigger stars that we have,

00:23:05.460 I have a friend who's an actress too in LA and she told me stories and she said

00:23:09.420 there were so many inappropriate, you know, proposals from producers all the time.

00:23:15.440 And she said a lot of these actresses, you know, that made it that she saw.

00:23:22.920 Yeah, I saw it.

00:23:24.500 I've seen it.

00:23:25.640 I've seen it on the set of Eight-Legged Freaks with an actress who's 17 at the time.

00:23:32.600 Sitting on laps, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:23:34.460 She's now a star.

00:23:35.540 She got her own movies.

00:23:36.580 Happened.

00:23:37.160 I saw it.

00:23:37.940 She was the girlfriend of one of the actors.

00:23:39.900 Saw her do it.

00:23:41.340 I watched it with Scarlett Johansson.

00:23:43.380 We both saw it.

00:23:44.260 Scarlett was 16.

00:23:46.000 I played her mother.

00:23:46.900 What an incredible mind.

00:23:48.560 What an incredible human being.

00:23:50.120 What an incredible story she has overcoming what her youth was.

00:23:55.040 She's amazing.

00:23:56.180 I don't know much about her.

00:23:56.600 Now, that's a person that everybody saw the stem of that flower way before the bloom,

00:24:01.900 you know?

00:24:02.460 She had the craft, the something, and worked at it.

00:24:06.500 I haven't spoken to her in a couple years, but that person is unshakable.

00:24:12.280 Did she have to do something?

00:24:14.000 No.

00:24:14.520 She was the one that saw it, and then they saw the craft.

00:24:17.880 You know what I mean?

00:24:19.180 There's different teams.

00:24:20.520 It's really hard to explain, but it's really hard out here, and I could have done it A-list

00:24:29.440 way had I had more of a stem.

00:24:33.220 I gave up a lot of that stem out of fear.

00:24:35.400 Oh, my God.

00:24:35.700 Somebody wants to hire me.

00:24:36.960 Oh, my God.

00:24:37.200 I'm going to make money.

00:24:37.960 Oh, my God.

00:24:38.240 I'm going to be able to pay my rent, you know?

00:24:39.720 But now, looking back, I see the difference in the people and how it's done.

00:24:45.280 I see it.

00:24:46.260 I see it.

00:24:46.380 And it's very male-driven, by the way.

00:24:48.960 So what happened with, was it Stephen Lang, you said?

00:24:52.400 That was that story that I was like...

00:24:55.120 Oh, my God.

00:24:55.680 This is such a funny story.

00:24:57.220 Can you share it?

00:24:58.220 I mean, I was like, whoa.

00:25:00.540 First of all, Chesty, I'm a people pleaser.

00:25:03.580 And when you have a hard time saying no in Hollywood, that's a bad thing.

00:25:07.880 But I had my boundaries, my serious boundaries.

00:25:10.600 Unfortunately, this one didn't cross it at the time.

00:25:12.340 But I was doing this movie in South Carolina with Salome Bresner, who was the director,

00:25:16.380 a woman.

00:25:17.560 And fierce.

00:25:18.800 She's fierce.

00:25:19.580 And, you know, we're in the weeds.

00:25:21.040 I always did guerrilla filmmaking.

00:25:22.960 We had no money, but we sacrificed everything.

00:25:25.760 Gave up every...

00:25:27.100 Like, I didn't need to be put in a little room if it meant time and money.

00:25:30.560 Like, I was just there making the movie with them.

00:25:33.060 And that's always how I saw it.

00:25:35.200 It was fun.

00:25:36.140 I didn't want to be pampered.

00:25:37.240 I didn't want to sit in a dressing room.

00:25:38.720 I was never that person.

00:25:40.260 So we're doing a scene in a car, like in the woods.

00:25:45.020 It's kind of complicated, the lighting and the setup and everything.

00:25:47.600 And in between takes, we're like having or whatever in the backseat of a car.

00:25:52.200 And I cover myself with whatever.

00:25:54.300 This guy is like completely naked, rocking body, really big. 0.75

00:25:58.340 Starts like playing with it.

00:26:00.340 And like, we're laughing.

00:26:01.660 We're telling jokes.

00:26:02.840 And like hitting me with it, you know. 1.00

00:26:04.960 And I'm like, Lang, what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

00:26:07.600 I mean, yes, we're sort of in the scene, but we're not. 0.99

00:26:12.280 He knew that there were lines.

00:26:13.620 You don't do that.

00:26:14.820 But we're in the scene and we're connected.

00:26:17.200 Like if I left that... 1.00

00:26:18.800 What I should have done was been like, hey, Lang, put it away, you asshole. 1.00

00:26:23.020 But I didn't because I was in that connected scene moment. 0.99

00:26:27.380 Didn't want to break it.

00:26:28.500 And I wasn't threatened, honestly, right?

00:26:31.520 But if you look back at all of this, oh my God, that guy.

00:26:34.460 Yeah.

00:26:35.220 And it's true. 0.56

00:26:36.820 But we didn't have...

00:26:37.760 When we were making movies for a little money, there wasn't any rules.

00:26:40.680 We just had to get it done.

00:26:41.900 So as a woman, I had to be able to stand up to it.

00:26:44.560 But I didn't.

00:26:45.580 Does it hurt me to this day?

00:26:46.740 Did it affect me?

00:26:47.480 No.

00:26:47.920 I know how juvenile it was.

00:26:49.420 It wasn't a big deal.

00:26:50.600 But could you imagine if that happened today?

00:26:52.900 No.

00:26:53.660 I mean...

00:26:53.920 And by the way, Stephen Lang has a very nice wiener.

00:26:56.460 Good to know.

00:26:57.200 So when you tell these stories of what went on back then, I'm like, how did you react

00:27:02.340 when you saw the Blake Lively accusations?

00:27:04.520 Because I'm like, when you've experienced things in the 90s and the 80s even, and then

00:27:09.760 you see how women are now. 1.00

00:27:11.980 I mean, I think, of course, no one should...

00:27:15.000 Everyone should behave appropriately.

00:27:16.900 And there should be strict rules about these things to protect everyone, obviously.

00:27:21.280 But then some people, like Blake Lively, in my opinion, is not a person that has been

00:27:29.200 as aged.

00:27:30.040 If you ask me, I don't know what happened, but it doesn't seem like that.

00:27:32.960 What did you think when you saw her accusations?

00:27:35.360 What were your first thoughts?

00:27:36.700 My first thoughts?

00:27:37.960 My first thought was dis...

00:27:39.280 Like, I'm sorry, but like, if the guy corners you and pushes you in a corner or grabs your 1.00

00:27:47.320 ass and tit, and when it's overt, hell yeah. 0.99

00:27:50.540 When it's not overt... 0.99

00:27:52.340 First of all, I don't want to give Justin Baldoni, like, an off.

00:27:55.660 I mean, I've been manipulated by the perfect angel before, too.

00:27:59.320 But I don't think this guy wanted to have sex with her or throw his movie off.

00:28:05.220 I think he might want to pump her ego up a little bit to make the movie better.

00:28:09.540 I mean, there are certain tactics we have in relating to people and actors when we're

00:28:14.800 in and out of reality.

00:28:16.820 You have to be cool, man.

00:28:19.040 You just have to open up your world a little bit and be a little bit tougher when you're

00:28:23.500 playing the game of making something fake, making a movie.

00:28:27.540 You have to open yourself up and be vulnerable.

00:28:30.240 And if you're vulnerable and a guy says, oh, you look sexy in that, and you're broken by

00:28:35.520 that, what the hell are you doing creating illusion and making entertainment for people?

00:28:42.280 You have to be as real and open as you can. 1.00

00:28:44.360 This freaking white tower walks in like the elite bullshit Aryan. 1.00

00:28:50.080 I have no connection with her at all. 1.00

00:28:53.520 But funny is that I did work with her sister, Robin.

00:28:57.540 And I remember her parents and my father-in-law and my one-year-old were all there communicating.

00:29:03.880 She was the loveliest person.

00:29:06.300 So sweet.

00:29:07.080 So supportive.

00:29:07.780 My sister's kind of, I think Blake was 18 and just starting Gossip Girl.

00:29:11.380 And she was like raving about her. 1.00

00:29:14.680 Okay.

00:29:15.160 And it was almost, my God, this is going to be horrible to say.

00:29:19.580 Because I really love the experience, but I didn't get to know Robin.

00:29:22.520 But looking back on it with her parents there and stuff, it was almost Stepford-y.

00:29:28.240 Do you know what I'm trying to say?

00:29:29.320 No, I don't know what that means, Stepford-y.

00:29:30.860 Okay.

00:29:31.140 Yeah.

00:29:31.360 You're not, you're not, you didn't grow up in America.

00:29:34.980 Okay.

00:29:35.240 The Stepford Wives was like a big movie.

00:29:37.500 Oh, Stepford Wives.

00:29:38.200 Right.

00:29:38.580 Remember that?

00:29:39.360 Yes.

00:29:39.860 Yes, yes, yes, yes.

00:29:40.680 There was something kind of like robotic about that defense, or not defense, but presentation

00:29:47.760 of her sister's up and coming, you know, great success.

00:29:52.440 It was before Gossip Girl.

00:29:53.680 It was like right when she got cast.

00:29:55.040 And I really liked Robin.

00:29:56.380 There was something really lovely about her.

00:29:58.420 But then I think back and I'm like, look at the, look at the Kardashians.

00:30:02.780 These families want to create these brands that have four walls that are unshakable.

00:30:07.840 Because if this one falls, this one's good.

00:30:09.500 You know, it's like a weird kind of Hollywood fortress that people can build.

00:30:15.620 Nepotism, blah, blah, blah.

00:30:17.760 And that's basically the only thing to counterattack the money and the, you know, the constant oversight

00:30:26.680 of the content of what happens in film and TV.

00:30:30.060 So it's just, it's all intertwined.

00:30:32.920 It's all like, for me to go back now after raising kids for 20 years and to get into the

00:30:37.500 business, you know, I had a great agent.

00:30:39.500 Stephanie Simon, untitled, the best management company.

00:30:42.120 I made a lot of mistakes that made it so I, not mistakes, but I made choices that didn't

00:30:46.780 made it so I didn't propel into the A-list.

00:30:49.400 Not just moral choices.

00:30:51.020 I'm not even saying it was my morality that held me back.

00:30:53.560 It was probably more my insecurity.

00:30:55.300 Like I couldn't handle that ride.

00:30:57.120 I couldn't handle what that train, how fast that train would move.

00:31:00.180 And then it was like Us Magazine, TMZ, they all started coming in.

00:31:04.640 And then now it's like, you have to have a social media presence.

00:31:08.240 If you don't have a strong social media presence, like, or, you know, like how Sidney Sweeney

00:31:12.580 is getting ushered in through these sexy ads when she's actually a good actress, you know,

00:31:17.740 and they're taking her down the other road rather than the path of strengthening her stem.

00:31:22.140 And you know what?

00:31:23.220 Helen Mirren has boobies. 1.00

00:31:24.620 Like, yes, she's gorgeous.

00:31:25.900 And we all have fantasies about her.

00:31:27.920 Everybody, men and women.

00:31:29.340 And that's great.

00:31:30.500 And that's fine.

00:31:31.220 But it's not her doing.

00:31:32.600 She actually has some focus on her acting.

00:31:35.900 That's why she's not speaking out right now and riding this wave of publicity.

00:31:40.640 Because she's in it for the long run, right?

00:31:43.440 Yeah.

00:31:43.700 Are you talking about Helen Mirren?

00:31:45.220 No, I was talking about Sidney Sweeney in that respect.

00:31:47.280 Sidney Sweeney?

00:31:47.780 Because I was like, I think Helen...

00:31:49.100 I know, I'm all over the place, right?

00:31:50.740 I'm an editor's nightmare.

00:31:54.820 I was like, Helen Mirren's been in the game for a while already. 0.65

00:31:57.480 I'm saying, like, Helen Mirren had boobies and was sexy. 0.99

00:32:00.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:01.100 Like, beautiful woman.

00:32:02.680 But that wasn't the focus.

00:32:04.540 The focus was on, like, what her brain.

00:32:07.900 Like, her actual perception of creating character.

00:32:10.360 Like, her character creation.

00:32:12.640 Her talent.

00:32:13.840 Don't you think?

00:32:14.720 Yeah.

00:32:15.040 I mean, I didn't even write, and I don't know the whole story, but...

00:32:18.200 No, I totally agree with that.

00:32:18.980 But there's people like that.

00:32:19.780 Like, even Julia Roberts, who kind of, like, went off into the distance and stalled because

00:32:26.340 her talent and her looks personality, you know, she never went off and did that freaking 1.00

00:32:32.260 great dramatic thing that was going to take the Julia Roberts away from her. 1.00

00:32:36.720 You know what I mean?

00:32:37.540 But she could.

00:32:38.620 She still could.

00:32:39.860 George Clooney.

00:32:41.120 What happened, Kari, with George Clooney?

00:32:43.840 We want all the juicy details here.

00:32:46.400 It's so funny because I was never one of these women in the tabloids that dated George Clooney.

00:32:51.860 And I never really dated George Clooney.

00:32:53.980 George and I were a really good friend.

00:32:56.120 We were friends.

00:32:57.100 We were friends with Benefits.

00:32:57.980 He was a fan of mine from a movie I did a long time ago.

00:33:02.340 And I was doing some stuff in Vegas.

00:33:04.400 And I saw him in a restaurant.

00:33:05.700 He was doing Ocean's Eleven.

00:33:08.340 And he had a huge bungalow at the Bellagia.

00:33:12.420 They're different from the suites.

00:33:13.960 They're bungalows.

00:33:15.060 And you walk out in this bungalow.

00:33:17.120 So anyway, so I saw him.

00:33:18.560 I was having dinner in a restaurant with my assistant.

00:33:20.740 And I saw him.

00:33:21.380 And I walked up.

00:33:21.900 And I was like, hey, he was having dinner with major, major producer, one of his very

00:33:26.220 good friends.

00:33:26.740 He's now passed.

00:33:27.440 And we just started talking.

00:33:29.860 And then we, you know, hung out afterwards.

00:33:32.080 And stuff happened.

00:33:33.280 And then he had this amazing suite.

00:33:35.880 And they were all the boys would watch sports.

00:33:38.500 And he'd have these like butlers.

00:33:40.160 And they'd wheel in carts of oysters and crab.

00:33:44.660 And you'd sit there.

00:33:45.780 It was just unbelievably luxe.

00:33:49.980 And I wanted a real life.

00:33:52.400 I wanted like a husband and kids.

00:33:54.520 You know, that's how I, I didn't want to not go without having children.

00:33:59.120 That's just what I wanted to do.

00:34:00.980 And I wanted a good dad.

00:34:02.580 So I wasn't, you know.

00:34:03.880 So anyway, George was not going to be that person, obviously.

00:34:07.240 And, but we would, you know, between girlfriends and boyfriends, you know, we'd do stuff.

00:34:11.740 I was with him during the whole like editing process of the Gong Show movie, right?

00:34:17.860 And would sit in his theater.

00:34:20.080 And he had this, he has, I hate to do this because he has a wife and kids.

00:34:24.200 But it was really, really fun.

00:34:25.620 And he was really, really, really kind to me.

00:34:28.440 And I never asked him for anything in the business.

00:34:30.940 And I never asked him for a thing.

00:34:32.900 I just spent time with a guy that was creative and successful and super kind and had his own insecurities.

00:34:39.620 You know?

00:34:40.640 But he's one of the good guys, you're saying.

00:34:42.400 He's one of the good guys.

00:34:43.580 And even though, like, he was in that middle place, he had his craft.

00:34:49.040 He knew himself.

00:34:50.220 He knew, he had insecurities. 0.99

00:34:52.780 I mean, he went from stupid sitcoms to carrying a huge, you know, procedural drama that was huge success. 0.99

00:34:59.940 I mean, that's where he got his success. 1.00

00:35:01.420 But before that, he was a freaking hustler. 0.97

00:35:03.440 And he was on sitcoms and, you know. 0.98

00:35:06.300 But he came from a family of, you know, he had a little bit of nepotism.

00:35:11.400 He had a little bit of help when he came to L.A.

00:35:12.840 He stayed with Rosemary.

00:35:14.100 Yeah.

00:35:14.640 But he worked hard, you know.

00:35:16.880 And because he has the base of hard work and personal dignity, he can therefore give the kindness forward.

00:35:24.800 And there are people, and now he's no longer in the middle.

00:35:27.660 And now he's huge.

00:35:28.940 And the guy is amazing.

00:35:31.300 I mean, I wish to this day that we could be friends or talk or whatever because he was smarter than most people.

00:35:39.740 Yeah.

00:35:40.360 And cared more about giving back than most people.

00:35:43.540 Like, I don't think he's the guy that could be swayed by a cult, you know.

00:35:47.800 A lot of us want to know what to think.

00:35:49.960 He's kind of the thinker in the room, which is unusual because he's super handsome.

00:35:54.020 He is.

00:35:54.640 But it's funny because all these people that I've known over the last decades, to watch their progression and things that they do and how they behave and choices that they make, it's very interesting.

00:36:05.580 And I'm glad I chose, I mean, I'm a single mom now.

00:36:08.720 I have to take care of three kids and, you know, I have to do stuff to, but I can't, I can't.

00:36:14.460 I've tried going back to Hollywood and it's so different.

00:36:17.200 I mean, I've been working in this business for over 40 years in one way or another, and I would have to start over on the playing field that they have created.

00:36:27.560 I'd rather just, like, plant trees and hang out in the woods and hang out with you and, like, just be, like, normal again because this town, nobody knows what's going on.

00:36:37.920 It's so up in the air.

00:36:39.880 I think it's like the fall of Atlantis.

00:36:41.640 It's going to be mud buried and people are going to find reels of amazing movie stars.

00:36:46.660 I feel like it's a museum.

00:36:49.840 Yeah, no, I feel like, you know, the era of movie stars are bygone.

00:36:54.460 There are not going to be any new ones coming up.

00:36:57.260 Like now we see a little flash in the pans, like you were mentioning Sidney Sweeney, but they don't stick like that generation.

00:37:04.720 Sidney Sweeney ruined it for herself, I think. 0.97

00:37:07.740 I mean, she could have ignored all of her assets and they would have been frosting on the cake. 1.00

00:37:14.280 She has the cake.

00:37:15.480 She just needed to focus on it.

00:37:16.900 This wasn't her fault, but, I mean, I'm sure she didn't know the implications that we're going to take this thing political or whatever with this ad. 0.99

00:37:24.820 And it's a great ad and she looks beautiful and nobody should give her any shit. 0.98

00:37:28.740 You know, after white load, like the next step should be something intense because she's got the chops, you know? 1.00

00:37:34.580 It's kind of sad.

00:37:35.180 I love your tagline on Instagram, by the way, which it says hate fake spirituality, just keeping it real.

00:37:43.180 And I feel that really says who you are.

00:37:46.040 You are keeping it so real, Karin.

00:37:48.500 But I'm not like, I'm not.

00:37:50.100 I'm a huge liar.

00:37:51.880 I've had a lot of issues in my life. 0.94

00:37:53.960 My main focus is on my children, but I have a string to this town.

00:37:59.660 I mean, I have a house in the Hollywood Hills.

00:38:01.120 I look over everything.

00:38:02.100 Like, there's something connecting me and it's on the brink of major change.

00:38:09.280 And if Hollywood doesn't stand up for what is right, if Hollywood doesn't just come clean and come honest.

00:38:15.340 And I'm talking about the men and the women on both sides of an issue of a gender war.

00:38:21.500 And I think this whole Blake Lively thing is like, she just needed to feel real because I don't think this thing is her passion.

00:38:31.180 I think the lifestyle is more of the passion.

00:38:34.500 And then you've crossed over into a world where you'll never be a movie star.

00:38:38.860 Because if you don't take the work seriously and give credit to the people that have, I mean, it's a collaboration.

00:38:45.320 It's a hundred crew people.

00:38:47.100 Everybody has a family.

00:38:48.140 Everybody has a life.

00:38:49.120 Everybody wants creative input because that's what sustains us.

00:38:52.240 That's what makes us human.

00:38:53.140 And to take it away and to say it's mine, mine, mine, and to claim authorship, if I ever hear that word again, I'm going to vomit.

00:39:00.760 I mean, seriously, right?

00:39:02.620 I need some authorship. 1.00

00:39:04.720 Then sit down and write your own shit. 1.00

00:39:07.320 Don't steal somebody else's. 1.00

00:39:09.200 Succeed, fail, succeed, fail.

00:39:10.780 Do what artists do.

00:39:12.500 Bear yourself.

00:39:13.760 Don't cover yourself with this illusion of Hollywood royalty.

00:39:17.980 People are waking.

00:39:19.260 Build your root system.

00:39:21.240 That's what holds up your hillside.

00:39:23.120 And then whatever sprouts out is lovely.

00:39:27.480 It's lovely because it's human and it's real and it's worked for.

00:39:31.520 I mean, what I feel like is the best currency right now where we are in our lives and where we are in the world right now is honesty.

00:39:38.520 I think it's time for people to be a bit honest.

00:39:40.920 And I think that's what Hollywood needs.

00:39:43.520 And I feel like I'm so grateful that you came on and talked very honestly about your experiences.

00:39:49.020 It's amazing to hear your stories.

00:39:52.900 I mean, you have to come back on again because I feel like we're just scratching the surface there.

00:39:57.940 Oh, yeah.

00:39:57.960 We have to talk.

00:39:58.960 Yeah.

00:39:59.320 Just everything that you do, I love.

00:40:01.140 And you do it with such grace and dignity.

00:40:03.320 Thank you.

00:40:03.920 You know, we don't want to hurt people.

00:40:05.780 We don't want to expose people because it's gossip and it's fun.

00:40:09.560 But it's just the whole Hollywood platform needs to be illuminated because there are, you know, like you can look at Ryan Reynolds.

00:40:18.940 The guy's really, really smart.

00:40:20.520 And he created so many walls outside of Hollywood that there is no way that they could say no to him.

00:40:29.720 Yeah.

00:40:30.580 And it's all money and it's all.

00:40:32.540 But that guy hasn't had his movie star moment.

00:40:35.880 You know, he hasn't had a film that people are like, oh, my God, this guy is viable.

00:40:40.820 Like, he's had a lot of flops.

00:40:42.240 But he's funny and he's a businessman and he's in.

00:40:45.500 But he's not.

00:40:46.540 He doesn't have a stem.

00:40:47.940 You know what I mean?

00:40:48.480 And so there's going to be a lot of icky corruption and stuff that comes out of their lives that are intended to protect an image that's fake.

00:40:59.440 I mean, they have a lot of money and a lot of talent and a lot of opportunity.

00:41:02.820 If they just focus on the actual work of what they were doing and like creating and making stuff rather than all this other stuff, the other stuff is what got them.

00:41:12.500 My God, I wasted time on all this stuff.

00:41:15.080 Can you imagine how much money and time?

00:41:17.460 All that money?

00:41:17.800 Imagine all the payoffs.

00:41:19.340 Imagine the career of this poor little, you know, what's her name? 1.00

00:41:23.920 Isabella Ferrer.

00:41:25.240 Imagine her.

00:41:26.640 Even Stellar. 1.00

00:41:27.920 What a lump of shit he was during this whole thing. 1.00

00:41:31.560 Stellar. 1.00

00:41:32.340 Is that his name?

00:41:32.860 Brandon Sclinar.

00:41:34.160 Sclinar.

00:41:34.620 Sclinar.

00:41:35.060 Maybe the next Batman.

00:41:36.500 Oh, he doesn't sit there like a lump.

00:41:38.340 Nothing about him radiates energy. 0.99

00:41:40.540 He's just a f***er that will do whatever he has to do so that he can come up at the end of the day and smoke a joint with his friends. 0.99

00:41:47.180 And watches big screen TV. 0.99

00:41:48.640 That's what it seems like to me with that guy. 1.00

00:41:50.680 I mean, pick a f***ing side, asshole. 1.00

00:41:53.040 Yeah. 1.00

00:41:53.900 Let's end it with us.

00:41:55.880 I mean, listen, like, dude, if this was all real, you'd have people fighting for her.

00:42:01.160 I know.

00:42:01.660 And that's what I've been saying.

00:42:03.300 That's what I've been saying the whole time.

00:42:05.120 You know, if this is your friend, if she was my friend, and I knew that horrible things.

00:42:09.920 But the thing is, none of the things that she's accusing him of in general, I felt like, oh, that's terrible.

00:42:15.600 You're not crying.

00:42:16.520 No, no.

00:42:17.640 It's all context.

00:42:19.100 Yeah.

00:42:19.240 And he was overcompensating for a woman who wanted to be a star. 0.98

00:42:22.560 I mean, whatever the guy is, I'm sure he's got his shit things he does, but not in this case. 0.98

00:42:28.520 I mean, if you're crying out right, his life rested on this movie. 0.99

00:42:32.120 His directing, his money, he's going to go flirt with some.

00:42:35.880 No.

00:42:36.580 His wife is gorgeous. 0.65

00:42:37.800 He's got his kids.

00:42:38.840 Maybe to get her to feel more confident, you throw in a couple of comments.

00:42:43.000 It's all part of the manipulation and the massage of creating a scene.

00:42:46.980 But, you know, at the end of the day, you go back to real life.

00:42:49.200 Some people can't do that.

00:42:50.880 Yeah.

00:42:51.200 I don't know what her beef is.

00:42:52.740 What kind of attention would she need more than just building your craft? 1.00

00:42:57.720 You've got everything in the world.

00:42:59.420 You could take every opportunity to make every choice to go out there and do something real. 1.00

00:43:03.640 And instead, you want to, like, overlord some piece of shit bullshit movie that won't matter anyway and hurt people? 1.00

00:43:10.860 It's just mean. 1.00

00:43:12.320 I know.

00:43:13.140 It's awful.

00:43:14.360 And I don't think it's her, man.

00:43:16.120 Her current and the tube she's sitting on is different from yours.

00:43:19.460 You know, that one goes straight to a waterfall.

00:43:22.020 You avoid that.

00:43:23.280 Like, that's the choices she made.

00:43:25.060 But I just don't think she knew.

00:43:26.720 I think this Ryan dude is, like, handling it.

00:43:29.180 But then he's going to have such contempt for her because they're going to spend millions of dollars on this.

00:43:35.200 And they're paying people millions of dollars.

00:43:37.320 They're paying people millions of dollars that already have millions of dollars.

00:43:41.100 It's like watching a giant Canasta game. 1.00

00:43:43.780 It's bullshit. 1.00

00:43:44.460 It's bullshit. 1.00

00:43:45.660 Yeah. 0.97

00:43:46.680 Anyways, thank you so much, Kari, for being here on Flossom Talk.

00:43:50.160 I really appreciate all your input and all your opinions.

00:43:54.880 I love honest people.

00:43:56.560 And I love having, like, open discussions about things.

00:43:59.800 And I think so many people are going to be inspired by listening to you.

00:44:02.980 And just for everyone to know that you played Alicia Cooper's mom.

00:44:06.360 And she was on my show for a few months.

00:44:09.460 Alicia Cooper is the most awesome.

00:44:11.920 This is the girl that's building a stem.

00:44:14.060 And she's an amazing person.

00:44:17.560 I mean, like, she's one of those people that has it.

00:44:19.440 She's got it.

00:44:20.540 Thank you so much, Kari, for opening up like this.

00:44:23.800 I had such a good time talking to her.

00:44:25.380 And I really hope you enjoyed this conversation as much as I did.

00:44:29.000 And, of course, if you haven't subscribed yet, please do.

00:44:32.000 And hit the notification bell so you don't miss an episode of Flossom Talk on YouTube.

00:44:36.680 And I'll see you in my next one.

00:44:38.840 Bye.

00:44:39.240 Yeah, we've lost some talk.

Flaawsome Talk with Kjersti Flaa - August 22, 2025

Ep 13 Hollywood actress Kari Wuhrer tell ALL !!

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