Ep 13 Hollywood actress Kari Wuhrer tell ALL !!
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Actress Kari Wurr has worked in Hollywood for over 40 years. She s worked with everyone from Jack Nicholson to Sean Penn, and she s also opened up about her love affairs, her missteps, and some of the things she really regrets to this day.
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This January on Paramount Plus, it began on the shores of New Jersey.
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Now, a new pack emerges in the great white north.
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Canada Shore, new original series, now streaming on Paramount Plus.
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George Clooney. What happened, Kari, with George Clooney?
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I watched it with Scarlett Johansson. We both saw it.
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Oh my God, I shouldn't do this. You can edit it if you feel it's too much.
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I'm Kersti Floor, journalist, Hollywood truth teller, and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion.
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So, on Fridays, it's my podcast day, and I talk about other things than Blake Flively and Justin Baldoni's legal drama.
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And sometimes I have a guest, and I do have a guest today, and she is pretty amazing.
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Her name is Kari Wurr, and she's worked in Hollywood for over 40 years.
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She has been in, like, 70 movies, and here on my podcast today, she's going to share a lot of her experiences.
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Some are good, some are bad, some are hilarious, some are R-rated, some are really awful,
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She's worked with everyone from Jack Nicholson to Sean Penn.
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She's also opening up about her love affairs, her missteps, and some of the things that she really regrets to this day.
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Kari, I'm going to say your name in Norwegian because it is a Norwegian name.
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Because when I saw your name, I was like, is she Norwegian?
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I do. My grandmother, Bunny Olsen, was a jazz singer, and she looked a lot like Judy Garland.
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She had big brown eyes and brown hair and very short.
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Kari, can we say that you are a veteran in Hollywood?
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Because I was looking at your IMDb, and I was like, you have, like, 72 credits to your name.
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Is that right? I mean, you've done so much, and you started out many years ago.
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What year did you start out? What year did you get your first role?
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I lived in a small town in Connecticut, so I was, like, kind of an hour and a half outside of New York City
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And I kind of hopped on trains and went into New York.
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And it's really funny because I think I was 15 years old.
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I was on a train from Brewster, New York to New York City, and a man approached me, and he was like,
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you're beautiful. I'm a photographer. Here's my card. I want to take your picture.
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I was like, okay, I wanted to be a model or an actress, you know.
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I wasn't, like, your typical traditional pretty girl in school, but I was feisty, and I wanted to be weird,
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and I wanted to stand out, and this guy approached me.
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So I went back to my parents, and I gave them this guy's card, and they, like, in the old days,
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And so they checked this guy out, and he was great, and he was in Mount Kisco, New York.
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So I was like, okay, I'll go get some headshots.
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This guy has contacts to the modeling world or whatever.
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And I would go there to Mount Kisco, and my parents would drop me off, and I'd do these
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innocent sessions and get these great pictures of what I thought, and then the sessions got
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a little more intimate, and he was a big, fat guy, okay?
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As it turns out, and I was a kid, the guy's name was Tom Chappelle, and he was the photographer
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that took those pictures of Vanessa Williams when she was Miss America exposed them and got
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So this was the same guy, and now he was constantly talking to me about, he took these pictures
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There was no, there was nothing but mental coercion, and I couldn't walk out of there.
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But years later, that guy would stalk me and move from Mount Kisco to New York to my hometown.
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I saw it more as how I did something wrong because I let him take those pictures of me.
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I mean, so you kind of got thrown into things very, very quickly.
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Yeah, but listen, I was always the master of the game in my head.
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I remember him coming to my house and me hiding in my mom's closet because I didn't want anybody
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And I started working in commercials and stuff, got my SAG cart early.
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It was my last day of high school, which was called Fire with Fire.
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In 1985, it was Virginia Madsen, Craig Sheffer, D.B. Sweeney.
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And I got this, like, featured role through all this auditioning process in Columbus Circle
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And I went and I shot my first movie in Vancouver.
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Had my first on-set affair with the A.D. lying about my age, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Went down to L.A. right after that movie was done with my friend, who was also in the movie,
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an actress named Penelope Sudro, and experienced L.A. for the first time.
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And I had this torrid affair with this British A.D., and I was in Canada, and it was all so
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And I'm going to tell you a story I've never told anybody, and I'm probably, I shouldn't
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But my friend, oh, my God, Flossum, because we're calling you Flossum now.
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I feel this is going to be a Flossum moment to remember.
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So I'm in the Hard Rock Cafe in West Hollywood.
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It just opened at the base of the Beverly Center.
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And I was in there with my friend Penelope, who's in the movie, Fire with Fire.
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And I walk, and we're sitting in there, and there's a big, huge round table in the
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And I swear on my little feet, if this isn't true, but I thought after doing Fire with Fire,
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Judd Nelson, Rob Lowe, Emilio Estevez, a couple of the peripheral players, like sitting around
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You couldn't write this for a reality show any better.
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And I'm sitting with Penelope, and I'm like, oh, my God, you guys, we just did this movie.
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Next thing you know, we're sitting at this round table, and the next thing you know, I'm
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And it was some sort of game they were playing.
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Like, I watch these people in movies, and all of a sudden, I'm sitting here, right?
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I was 18, I don't know, a couple, a few years older, right?
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So, I started school at NYU, and I got a job because I had no money.
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My mom worked payroll to support the family at a publishing book company.
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So, anyway, so I get a job at the Palladium in New York City, and I'm a cocktail waitress
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in the VIP room, the Michael Todd room, at the Palladium in New York City in 1985.
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Andy Warhol, Keith Haring, Bianca Jagger, Prince.
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And Judd Nelson, and all these, and Judd Nelson was like, oh my God, what are you doing here?
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And I'm like, you know, putting grams of crap under tiny napkins for big real estate
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So, Judd Nelson, so Lori Rodkin was his manager at the time, and she was there.
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But lo and behold, after the experience, boom, I'm in college.
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So, next thing you know, I get a job at MTV, and I become the hostess of Remote Control,
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which is the game show that had one season that started to become a hit.
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I had to roller skate to the studio in order to get there because there was no subway.
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And I remember roller skating out of the studio to go back home with, like, kids chasing me.
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And so, I had an in with MTV, and then I just, I was an actor.
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I didn't let anybody touch me unless I touched them.
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I did two movies that Harvey Weinstein produced.
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I did The Crossing Guard that Sean Penn directed.
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This is my theory about Hollywood and about actors.
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I've worked with a lot of amazing actors, from Jack Nicholson to Jon Voight.
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People that have been established as having not fame or box office, but as having, like, mastered their craft.
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All of these guys were kind of the A-list mafia.
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And I worked with them during The Crossing Guard.
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And they're not criminals, and they're not predators.
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They have peripheral people around them that are, for sure.
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But they are the kindest, most giving teachers.
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They love—they're known for mastering their craft.
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And then you have actors in the middle that I've worked with, are struggling, that aren't kind, that want to step on you, that have women issues.
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I can give you the name of Eric Roberts, who was the biggest asshole and the most—
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All I got to say about that is I felt really proud of the movie we did.
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I worked really hard through the struggles he threw at me.
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And then years later, he slid into my DMs with an apology.
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Was that during Me Too or something, that he felt like it was time to do that?
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I would say it was probably a ninth step during his recovery, because he's sober.
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Dude, it was—I understand his struggle with addiction and alcohol.
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And the fact that he did—and I don't want to say it as it's not an AA thing.
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It was a—I don't know, because, you know, it's anonymous.
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Like, everybody, every actor out there is just like you and me.
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They're just people that are insecure enough with their—I'm not going to say just like you and me.
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Because there are people that have done the work and dedicated their lives to the discipline of their craft.
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And then all they have to do is show up, because the work is done.
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And those are people like Jack Nicholson and Steven Spielberg as a director.
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I mean, people I could name that I've met that are there.
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And it's not about the amount of money they have or about the amount of success they have.
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I mean, even though that's great validation, it's about how hard they worked and mastered their craft.
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And now—then you have a lot of people coming in that are like, I'm handsome.
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That haven't done the work to master the craft.
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I mean, you can look at an actor who's—actress, actor, whatever.
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But they're only beautiful to watch, compelling, if you're believing them and are in the moment.
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There's so many actors out there that are cute that are like—an area that just don't pull you in the moment.
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That don't get you into that suspension of disbelief.
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And that's the magic that actors have to have that makes a difference between them being a star and then being a utilitarian actor and then not working at all, right?
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So I worked with those mid-guys, Eric Roberts, who clearly had talent, other people.
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And they were so insecure or had substance abuse problems where they couldn't connect with their higher self to understand that, you know?
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And I think that those people were the biggest problem for me.
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Those are the ones that tried to cut me down, that wanted to step on me, to hurt me, to look big.
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And we as women, we can inflate our powers in order to win and to get into the circle, but it doesn't combat it.
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Or we dedicate ourselves to a craft and work hard and find that path.
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Even though I went to—I did it all through high school.
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I went into the city every day after school to study at HB Studio with private—you know, I was really into it.
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The second I got whiff of my sex being a power or being a way in, I used it in a way.
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Now, I wasn't the white pumps, fan-blowing girl.
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I was the girl in the bra with the combat booze.
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I didn't have the confidence of the L.A., you know, video vixen, which is the days that I was coming up in, right?
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When I did The Crossing Guard, okay, there was no script.
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I hung out with Sean Penn for a month beforehand.
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We went to strip clubs together because I was going to play a stripper.
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I had to get into the world, the mind of him, right?
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People I had to, like—I had to write scenes, basically.
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I told Sean Penn outright, I said, I can't dance at all, but I can tap.
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So we put this little Shirley Temple thing in there.
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But the point was is that my first day on the set was in a downtown apartment in the Diamond District.
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And in that scene, the beginning, I was completely naked.
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And I was playing the piano and singing to him.
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There's Jack Nicholson in character with the bottle of Jack Daniels.
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And I had to—the power I had or I felt in that moment blurred the fear I had of actually connecting and doing the work of the scene.
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I was so over—subconsciously, I was in the room with the Hollywood greats, all right?
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Everywhere I wanted to be my whole life, doing a scene with Jack Nicholson.
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And I—blow it because I put on my cloak of—to protect them from seeing the real me, I guess.
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And that—was my power in that room that first day.
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I should have relied on my craft, my training, my connection with him to make that scene happen.
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I mean, I was—I came out of there feeling like, this is the most amazing experience.
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But what did you feel later, years later that made you think like that?
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I mean, I didn't feel violated in any way at the time.
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But I felt that my power was in my nudity and the way I looked and could project myself.
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Over these strong men, rather than meeting them as an equal in the craft that I—right?
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And you didn't realize that until many, many years later.
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And now, like, then I look back and I go, my God, like, what an unbelievable and incredible opportunity.
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And I'm not saying that opportunity was wasted with Jack Nicholson to be in a scene is what I'm talking about.
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But I approached it from a very insecure place because there I was.
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And I used my nudity as my shield of armor, in a way.
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I would never like—yeah, no, that's very interesting.
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And of course, there weren't any intimacy coordinator at that point.
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Because when all that goes away, as it obviously has, I'm 58 years old, the craft is what you're left with.
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That popsicle stick is still going to stand, right?
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Unless you're an idiot and trade the popsicle stick for the popsicle.
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And I know a lot of people that have done that.
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And that's when SH was a form of—not that it isn't now.
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But it didn't even have to be physical to be a form of manipulation.
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They were just as ignorant as I was in the situation.
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But that's what the power dynamic was going by.
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They were like, look at this chick we have on set naked.
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You know, I met Harvey once a couple of times at the Crossing Guard.
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I worked with Dimension in Romania doing the Hellraiser series.
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I did a sixth one and then a couple prophecies.
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And, you know, that was like, I get to work in Romania for however many months and do the movies.
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But do you never had anything, did you ever feel like he was inappropriate in any way?
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Did you ever see anything with him, with Harvey?
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Okay, so at the wrap party for the Crossing Guard.
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So after that, I was talking to Harvey and he's like, you know what?
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But if I had the inclination to chase that, right, with Harvey Weinstein, sure, I could have done it.
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But I could have done, I could have been that business.
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So I think a lot of people that are in the, a lot of women that are in the positions of power in Hollywood,
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Because if you don't have that stem, you know, you can't carry film.
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But you don't think that they've compromised themselves in ways?
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Do you think that the generation now of those bigger stars that we have,
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I have a friend who's an actress too in LA and she told me stories and she said
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there were so many inappropriate, you know, proposals from producers all the time.
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And she said a lot of these actresses, you know, that made it that she saw.
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I've seen it on the set of Eight-Legged Freaks with an actress who's 17 at the time.
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What an incredible story she has overcoming what her youth was.
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Now, that's a person that everybody saw the stem of that flower way before the bloom,
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She had the craft, the something, and worked at it.
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I haven't spoken to her in a couple years, but that person is unshakable.
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She was the one that saw it, and then they saw the craft.
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It's really hard to explain, but it's really hard out here, and I could have done it A-list
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But now, looking back, I see the difference in the people and how it's done.
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So what happened with, was it Stephen Lang, you said?
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And when you have a hard time saying no in Hollywood, that's a bad thing.
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But I had my boundaries, my serious boundaries.
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Unfortunately, this one didn't cross it at the time.
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But I was doing this movie in South Carolina with Salome Bresner, who was the director,
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Like, I didn't need to be put in a little room if it meant time and money.
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Like, I was just there making the movie with them.
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So we're doing a scene in a car, like in the woods.
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It's kind of complicated, the lighting and the setup and everything.
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And in between takes, we're like having or whatever in the backseat of a car.
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This guy is like completely naked, rocking body, really big.
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And I'm like, Lang, what the fuck are you doing?
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I mean, yes, we're sort of in the scene, but we're not.
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What I should have done was been like, hey, Lang, put it away, you asshole.
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But I didn't because I was in that connected scene moment.
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But if you look back at all of this, oh my God, that guy.
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When we were making movies for a little money, there wasn't any rules.
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So as a woman, I had to be able to stand up to it.
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And by the way, Stephen Lang has a very nice wiener.
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So when you tell these stories of what went on back then, I'm like, how did you react
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Because I'm like, when you've experienced things in the 90s and the 80s even, and then
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And there should be strict rules about these things to protect everyone, obviously.
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But then some people, like Blake Lively, in my opinion, is not a person that has been
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If you ask me, I don't know what happened, but it doesn't seem like that.
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What did you think when you saw her accusations?
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Like, I'm sorry, but like, if the guy corners you and pushes you in a corner or grabs your
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First of all, I don't want to give Justin Baldoni, like, an off.
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I mean, I've been manipulated by the perfect angel before, too.
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But I don't think this guy wanted to have sex with her or throw his movie off.
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I think he might want to pump her ego up a little bit to make the movie better.
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I mean, there are certain tactics we have in relating to people and actors when we're
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You just have to open up your world a little bit and be a little bit tougher when you're
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playing the game of making something fake, making a movie.
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You have to open yourself up and be vulnerable.
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And if you're vulnerable and a guy says, oh, you look sexy in that, and you're broken by
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that, what the hell are you doing creating illusion and making entertainment for people?
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This freaking white tower walks in like the elite bullshit Aryan.
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But funny is that I did work with her sister, Robin.
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And I remember her parents and my father-in-law and my one-year-old were all there communicating.
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My sister's kind of, I think Blake was 18 and just starting Gossip Girl.
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And it was almost, my God, this is going to be horrible to say.
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Because I really love the experience, but I didn't get to know Robin.
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But looking back on it with her parents there and stuff, it was almost Stepford-y.
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You're not, you're not, you didn't grow up in America.
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There was something kind of like robotic about that defense, or not defense, but presentation
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of her sister's up and coming, you know, great success.
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But then I think back and I'm like, look at the, look at the Kardashians.
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These families want to create these brands that have four walls that are unshakable.
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You know, it's like a weird kind of Hollywood fortress that people can build.
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And that's basically the only thing to counterattack the money and the, you know, the constant oversight
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It's all like, for me to go back now after raising kids for 20 years and to get into the
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Stephanie Simon, untitled, the best management company.
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I made a lot of mistakes that made it so I, not mistakes, but I made choices that didn't
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I'm not even saying it was my morality that held me back.
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I couldn't handle what that train, how fast that train would move.
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And then it was like Us Magazine, TMZ, they all started coming in.
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And then now it's like, you have to have a social media presence.
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If you don't have a strong social media presence, like, or, you know, like how Sidney Sweeney
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is getting ushered in through these sexy ads when she's actually a good actress, you know,
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and they're taking her down the other road rather than the path of strengthening her stem.
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That's why she's not speaking out right now and riding this wave of publicity.
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No, I was talking about Sidney Sweeney in that respect.
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I was like, Helen Mirren's been in the game for a while already.
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I'm saying, like, Helen Mirren had boobies and was sexy.
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Like, her actual perception of creating character.
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I mean, I didn't even write, and I don't know the whole story, but...
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Like, even Julia Roberts, who kind of, like, went off into the distance and stalled because
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her talent and her looks personality, you know, she never went off and did that freaking
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great dramatic thing that was going to take the Julia Roberts away from her.
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It's so funny because I was never one of these women in the tabloids that dated George Clooney.
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He was a fan of mine from a movie I did a long time ago.
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I was having dinner in a restaurant with my assistant.
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And I was like, hey, he was having dinner with major, major producer, one of his very
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You know, that's how I, I didn't want to not go without having children.
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So anyway, George was not going to be that person, obviously.
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And, but we would, you know, between girlfriends and boyfriends, you know, we'd do stuff.
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I was with him during the whole like editing process of the Gong Show movie, right?
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And he had this, he has, I hate to do this because he has a wife and kids.
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And I never asked him for anything in the business.
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I just spent time with a guy that was creative and successful and super kind and had his own insecurities.
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And even though, like, he was in that middle place, he had his craft.
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I mean, he went from stupid sitcoms to carrying a huge, you know, procedural drama that was huge success.
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But he came from a family of, you know, he had a little bit of nepotism.
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He had a little bit of help when he came to L.A.
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And because he has the base of hard work and personal dignity, he can therefore give the kindness forward.
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And there are people, and now he's no longer in the middle.
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I mean, I wish to this day that we could be friends or talk or whatever because he was smarter than most people.
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And cared more about giving back than most people.
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Like, I don't think he's the guy that could be swayed by a cult, you know.
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He's kind of the thinker in the room, which is unusual because he's super handsome.
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But it's funny because all these people that I've known over the last decades, to watch their progression and things that they do and how they behave and choices that they make, it's very interesting.
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And I'm glad I chose, I mean, I'm a single mom now.
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I have to take care of three kids and, you know, I have to do stuff to, but I can't, I can't.
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I've tried going back to Hollywood and it's so different.
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I mean, I've been working in this business for over 40 years in one way or another, and I would have to start over on the playing field that they have created.
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I'd rather just, like, plant trees and hang out in the woods and hang out with you and, like, just be, like, normal again because this town, nobody knows what's going on.
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It's going to be mud buried and people are going to find reels of amazing movie stars.
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Yeah, no, I feel like, you know, the era of movie stars are bygone.
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There are not going to be any new ones coming up.
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Like now we see a little flash in the pans, like you were mentioning Sidney Sweeney, but they don't stick like that generation.
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I mean, she could have ignored all of her assets and they would have been frosting on the cake.
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This wasn't her fault, but, I mean, I'm sure she didn't know the implications that we're going to take this thing political or whatever with this ad.
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And it's a great ad and she looks beautiful and nobody should give her any shit.
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You know, after white load, like the next step should be something intense because she's got the chops, you know?
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I love your tagline on Instagram, by the way, which it says hate fake spirituality, just keeping it real.
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My main focus is on my children, but I have a string to this town.
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Like, there's something connecting me and it's on the brink of major change.
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And if Hollywood doesn't stand up for what is right, if Hollywood doesn't just come clean and come honest.
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And I'm talking about the men and the women on both sides of an issue of a gender war.
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And I think this whole Blake Lively thing is like, she just needed to feel real because I don't think this thing is her passion.
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And then you've crossed over into a world where you'll never be a movie star.
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Because if you don't take the work seriously and give credit to the people that have, I mean, it's a collaboration.
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Everybody wants creative input because that's what sustains us.
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And to take it away and to say it's mine, mine, mine, and to claim authorship, if I ever hear that word again, I'm going to vomit.
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Don't cover yourself with this illusion of Hollywood royalty.
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It's lovely because it's human and it's real and it's worked for.
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I mean, what I feel like is the best currency right now where we are in our lives and where we are in the world right now is honesty.
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I think it's time for people to be a bit honest.
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And I feel like I'm so grateful that you came on and talked very honestly about your experiences.
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I mean, you have to come back on again because I feel like we're just scratching the surface there.
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We don't want to expose people because it's gossip and it's fun.
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But it's just the whole Hollywood platform needs to be illuminated because there are, you know, like you can look at Ryan Reynolds.
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And he created so many walls outside of Hollywood that there is no way that they could say no to him.
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You know, he hasn't had a film that people are like, oh, my God, this guy is viable.
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But he's funny and he's a businessman and he's in.
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And so there's going to be a lot of icky corruption and stuff that comes out of their lives that are intended to protect an image that's fake.
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I mean, they have a lot of money and a lot of talent and a lot of opportunity.
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If they just focus on the actual work of what they were doing and like creating and making stuff rather than all this other stuff, the other stuff is what got them.
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Imagine the career of this poor little, you know, what's her name?
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What a lump of shit he was during this whole thing.
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He's just a f***er that will do whatever he has to do so that he can come up at the end of the day and smoke a joint with his friends.
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I mean, listen, like, dude, if this was all real, you'd have people fighting for her.
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You know, if this is your friend, if she was my friend, and I knew that horrible things.
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But the thing is, none of the things that she's accusing him of in general, I felt like, oh, that's terrible.
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And he was overcompensating for a woman who wanted to be a star.
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I mean, whatever the guy is, I'm sure he's got his shit things he does, but not in this case.
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I mean, if you're crying out right, his life rested on this movie.
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His directing, his money, he's going to go flirt with some.
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Maybe to get her to feel more confident, you throw in a couple of comments.
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It's all part of the manipulation and the massage of creating a scene.
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But, you know, at the end of the day, you go back to real life.
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What kind of attention would she need more than just building your craft?
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You could take every opportunity to make every choice to go out there and do something real.
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And instead, you want to, like, overlord some piece of shit bullshit movie that won't matter anyway and hurt people?
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Her current and the tube she's sitting on is different from yours.
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You know, that one goes straight to a waterfall.
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But then he's going to have such contempt for her because they're going to spend millions of dollars on this.
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They're paying people millions of dollars that already have millions of dollars.
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Anyways, thank you so much, Kari, for being here on Flossom Talk.
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I really appreciate all your input and all your opinions.
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And I love having, like, open discussions about things.
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And I think so many people are going to be inspired by listening to you.
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And just for everyone to know that you played Alicia Cooper's mom.
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I mean, like, she's one of those people that has it.
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Thank you so much, Kari, for opening up like this.
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